How Loved Ones Communicate After Death - Oprah Speaks With Medium Laura Lynne Jackson

The day before our trip, [music] I was. sitting at his grave and I said out. loud, "I need a [music] sign from you. I. need a sign that's undeniable." That. undeniable sign [music]. is exactly what he gave us. >> Wow. >> Sounds like this is out of Laurel's. book. Really? Wow. >> Hello. It's my pleasure to be with you. on the Oprah podcast. I know you all. have a lot of demands on your time. So,

I am truly grateful that you chose to. spend some of this time here with me. And my hope is that these conversations. that we're having can serve to move you, to inspire you, or connect you to an. idea you may be hearing about for the. first time or one that you've thought. about and went, "Ah, yes." Had an aha, something that could enhance your life. I know so many people struggle after. experiencing the loss of somebody you.

love. And one of the hardest things to. bear or to accept is not being able to. talk to them anymore. We often hear. friends say maybe you've said yourself, I wish I could have had just one more. conversation with my mother or my sister. or my husband, whoever has passed. So, just one more so I could tell them what. I didn't while they were here. Well, my. guest today believes that we actually.

all have that opportunity and that we. all have the capability to hear from our. loved ones. who have passed on. Now I have always. felt believed and there is a knowingness. inside of me that is assured that when. you lose a loved one that means you have. an angel watching out or or a spirit. guide whatever you choose to name it it. doesn't matter on the other side that.

everybody who passes is still there for. you in some way. I've always felt that. and have sensed that in my own life. And. with me here in the tea house is a. psychic medium and author of two New. York Times bestsellers. The light. Between Us is one of them and the other. is Signs. Many of you have read both of. those books and she is now out with her. newest book. It's called Guided Guided. the Secret Path to an Illuminated Life.

Welcome Laura Lynn Jackson. Thank you so. much for having me here. I'm so honored. to be in the light of you. >> Well, thank you for that saying that. I. love that phrase. I'll be using it now. Um, I think that there is a path to an. illuminated life and that most people. are shut down to it. So, we're going to. be taking some questions from you, our. podcast listeners, in a little bit, but. I just want to talk about what you have.

come to know to be true for yourself and. your experiences with working with other. people. When did you know, Laura, that. you had the gift of communicating with. souls who had passed on to the other. side? How did that first show up for. you? Well, I think I first understood. there was something different about me. in the way that I was perceiving the. world around me from a very young age. Um, I used to see people in color. I. used to feel what other people were. feeling. But when I was very young, I. thought that's just how the world.

worked. And then when I was 11 years. old, I had this sudden knowing while I. was in the swimming pool one August day. that I needed to go see my grandfather. that day. It was a sense of panic. And. um, my mom waited for me to get out. I. went to visit him and I had the most. magical day with him. Just the two of. us. We laughed. We talked and when it. was time to say goodbye, I just hugged. him. I told him how much I loved him. And that was the last time I ever saw. him alive. He got diagnosed with. leukemia 2 days later. And back then, if.

you weren't 16 years or older, you. couldn't go to the hospital. So none of. my siblings or I got to go see him and. he crossed within two weeks. And shortly. after that, I had a dream where I. connected with his spirit and he showed. me where he was on the other side and. that that was our true home. And I. thought that's really beautiful. But. I'll tell you, it wasn't until I was 23. >> Okay. So this happened at 11 that you. had the dream about your grandfather and. you connected to him from the other. side. Okay. And then you were 23. So. when I was 23, I had come into.

understanding that I had these different. abilities and I had decided I was going. to try to use them to help some people. But I didn't really have an awareness of. being a medium. A medium means you can. connect with the consciousness of. somebody who's no longer in their. physical body. I just thought I was. psychic because I would know things. about people and I could feel their. energy and I could see things about. their past, their present and future. And I remember doing this one reading. for a young man named Paul. He was in. his late 20s and in the reading I had.

this very different experience that. happened and I was talking about his. path and his life and all of a sudden I. felt this energy come from my like. behind me on the right and started. giving me all this information about. Paul's girlfriend Amy. all sorts of things like her shoe size. the fact that she had just bought a new. purse and saying all this love and. beautiful messages for her and I. actually stopped myself and I apologized. and I said, "I'm so sorry. I I don't. understand what's really going on here.

Um, I'm I'm getting all this information. from someone named Chris and it's really. focusing on Amy. Our whole reading is. focusing now on Amy." And he he stopped. me and he said, "It's okay. Chris and. Amy used to be boyfriend and girlfriend. Chris died in a car accident. That Amy. was in the car and survived. That's her. That's her ex-boyfriend." And he's like, "And these messages are beautiful.". >> Wow. >> And I It woo woo. Cuz I'm going to tell.

you, this sounds woo woo. >> Let me tell you, I thought woo woo so. much that I stopped doing this. >> Okay. >> I shut down. I said, I can't handle that. responsibility. And I also was so. confused. >> I mean, I think it would be scary, too. >> It was. >> Yeah, >> it was scary. I was fearful of my own. abilities. I was fearful about always. having that responsibility of delivering. the messages, right? And I was fearful. about people thinking I was crazy, including myself. >> It was just so out there for me that it.

took me a number of years to really own. that truth and also see it as beautiful. and comforting. >> Yeah, I can see why that would happen. I. mean, I have discussed and a lot of. people are going to say we're very woo. woo for even having this conversation, >> but I've been talking about it for so. long. And I remember. >> specifically. doing a show on the spiritual life of. children and talking to parents who had.

experienced this in young children. because I have come to realize that. young children come in when you're. young. When you're young, you come in. with it. That's exactly. >> when you're born, you come in with it. You I I I say you come in trailing the. breath of the angels. You I don't know. where I got that from. It just occurred. to me. And um I have experienced so many. stories where children are trying to. tell their parents, but about five or. six. they no longer have it. I think because.

the density of the world or something. Have you discovered that also? >> That is an absolute truth. We all come. here to Earth school. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> To learn a collective lesson in love and. really our only rules are to give love. and receive love. It's so simple. >> But the way that we arrive here is. through reading unseen energy all around. us. So when we're young, we're reading. that love energy. We're reading that. connection. That's what babies are. doing. >> That's how we operate. And that's why. children too can sometimes recognize. people from their family that they never. met in the here and now as spirits that.

they're familiar with. It's very. beautiful. But. >> so that's why when I meet young babies, I go, >> "Yeah, tell me what you know." Yes. And. you can feel that magic around them. Right. So I work actually a lot with. scientists because I know that this is a. truth for me and I know that I've been. really wanting to wanting to explore it. to understand how does it work in me? How come I can ac access it cuz it's. truly a gift that we all have. I know. this. And so what I've come to. understand is that. >> I mean we may all have it but I don't.

think everybody can access it. >> Oh, we can reaccess it. You just. >> I know that's what you're saying and. guide it. But I'm like a lot of people. are so shut down. >> to actual life. I think I feel like a. lot of people. >> who are just sort of moving through. their lives and not really in touch with. the reality and presence of their own. lives. So I don't know how you could. touch the other side if you're not even. in touch with your own life, you know. >> Yeah, that's such a careful point. And I. think what happens what you were. describing when children start formal. schooling, usually kindergarten, first.

grade, second grade, >> Yeah. They turn off that ability to. connect with unseen energy to feel each. other's energy. Why is that? Well, what. ends up happening to us is we get very. much trained to use only the frontal. loes of our brain. That part of our. brains in charge of analytical thinking, critical thinking, math skills, language, all the day-to-day stuff we. need. So, from age 5 to 7 daily, we're. being retrained to not perceive energy, but to get very focused on that frontal. lobe. Do you know that most of us have. 98% of our brain wave activities taking.

place just in our frontal lobe during. waking hours? >> Now, what's different about me that. scientists have looked at and that I. find interesting for everybody listening. is that when I am in normal talking. mode, I my brain looks pretty similar. They've done EEGs of me brain and I'm. using mostly my frontal lobe. But the. moment I go into psychic mode or. mediumship, it looks like I go into a. coma because the brain wave silence and. different parts of my brain light up. >> Wow. >> And so what they've told me is we all.

have a switch in our brains that we can. switch off this frontal logical what. meditation teacher called the monkey. mind that chatters right and reaccess. that spiritual part of oursel. And I. really do feel like that's part of my. mission here on Earth is to just. reintroduce people to their spiritual. self to reaccess that because what your. frontal lobe does is it tells you I'm. separate from you. We're having separate. experiences. I'm a my own person when in. truth we all belong to each other. We're.

all having this collective experience in. life. And that's why you wrote guided. the secret path to an illuminated life. because you believe that all of us have. the possibility of having an illuminated. life. If we pay attention to the guides, >> that guidance, if we open up our minds. and hearts to that guidance and that. connection with our teams of light on. the other side, it can transform not. only our lives but the lives of those. around us. So you say we all have spirit. guides on the other side that speak to. us in different ways by sending us signs.

and messages to help guide us through. life. And you call it a team of light. Who are these guides? >> Yeah. So I've come to understand that. from my own experiences and all the. readings I've done. Each and every one. of us has what I call a team of light. It's made up of three parts. The first. part I see as God energy. just this. force of love that is part of us, inherent in us, connects us, leads us. and guides us every day on our highest. path. The second part of our team of.

light, and this might sound a little. woowoo, is what I call spirit guides. Throughout time in history, a lot of. religions will refer to them as guardian. angels. >> This angelic realm with specific guides. that each and every one of us have that. have been helping us since the moment. our souls came here to Earth School. They're nobody into this lifetime. They're just advanced angelic beings. that we contracted with spiritually. >> They're not in this lifetime. >> We don't know them this lifetime. That's, you know, they're they're. usually before we come here to earth, we.

contract them with them. Now, that. doesn't mean that we can't call upon. people who have lived on earth and ask. them to guide us to we certainly can, but they're really more the angelic. realm. And then we have loved ones who. have crossed. That's the third part of. our team of light, pets included, as. well as our ancestors we might not have. met. And they guide us as well, 100%. They are our angels as well. We call. them loved ones that have crossed. >> How do you know this? [laughter] How do. you know this to be true? So, I've come.

to understand this through my own um. experiences with my guides, with my. feelings of connection to God, and with. the way that I read and what I see on. this inner screen when I read. >> the screen in your mind. >> The screen in your mind that shows up. Yes. >> Now, you say we all have spirit guides. on the uh other side that are speaking. to us. Are they speaking to us all the. time? They're trying to because they like to. help us with everything. >> And they're speaking to us by sending us.

messages and signs to help us guide. through life. >> Yeah. I always try to help people see. the signs that they've already gotten. from their team of light and their loved. ones on the other side. I call them. default signs. Um, and so typically what. happens is when somebody crosses, one of. the main things they want to do is let. their loved ones know they're still very. much present and that they're not in. pain and that that love that they have. for each other hasn't gone anywhere. In.

fact, can get stronger. And so they like. to send what I call default signs. And. default signs are putting coins in your. in the person's path, pennies, dimes, and nickels. And I always say take pick. it up if you're feeling that and look at. the date. there might be a second sign. And I think why are they doing that? And. I think maybe it's because we return to. light energy and so it's easy to. manipulate small metallic objects into. our path. They also love messing with. electrical devices. So flickering the. lights, TV on and off, but now that we. have cell phones, oh, they like having.

phone calls come in on on special days. with a number you can't call back. They. love changing the words when you're. texting people. And usually pay. attention when that happens, what that. word changes to. that might have special. meaning to you. >> It's not just autocorrect. >> You know, they love manipulating. electrical devices to do this. Could it. be autocorrect sometimes? Maybe. But. it's a really big little flag to pay. attention if that happens to say, am I. feeling somebody's presence? And what.

did that word change? I'm a I'm a. definite believer in signs and I loved. your previous book signs and it really. affirming for me and for so many other. people that there are specific. indications and you say that in your. book guided you're now saying that we. should ask for very very specific signs. from our spirit guides and so how do. people ask for these specific signs and. what do you ask for? Yeah. So, one of. the things that our loved ones on the. other side, our team of lights, send us.

to are creatures that navigate this. world using magnetic field, electromagnetic fields, like birds, butterflies, dragonflies, deer, bats. They do that to get our attention. But. what they love is when we co-create a. language back and we can ask them for a. very specific, let's say, creature. But. I always say, don't make it something. typical. Make it a little different. And. also, you know what? Make it as unique. as possible. So, let's say you think of. an elephant. I want an elephant as from. a sign from my dad on the other side.

Now, let's change it a little. Let's. make it a purple elephant. Or let's ask. for a dolphin and change it. Make it a. pink dolphin. But it should extend. beyond that because just like when you. learn a foreign language and every new. word you learn, you have a new way to. communicate. That's our language with. those we love on the other side. They. don't have voice boxes to say things. They don't have arms to hug us, but they. are looking for all ways to communicate. with us. I always encourage people to. also pick a number sequence that they.

want to receive from their loved ones. It could be one that you just think of. or it could be one that's meaningful. >> or it could be one that continually. shows up in your life. >> That's them already sending you signs. They've established that one. The. greatest thing is when we recognize it. Yeah. >> And you should ask for a song and a. phrase as well. And now you created four. ways that the other side can. >> Yeah, I had a friend who had the number. 444 kept showing up and. >> yeah, that definitely means something. when they keep showing up and showing up. and showing up. Okay, I want to bring in.

some of our listeners uh to talk to. Laura. >> But first, let's watch this video a. mother in Arizona posted on social. media. >> This past weekend, we went on a trip for. the first time since our son um passed. away. Before we left on our vacation, I asked my son for a sign. [clears throat] Going as a family of. four instead of a family of five was. already such an eerie feeling. I just I.

wanted to know that he was on the trip. with us. Now, I didn't know what to ask. for because he was seven when he passed. away. We were shopping for souvenirs and. I was looking around and I see this. tower of stuffed animals and I. immediately heard Bod's voice in the. back of my mind. Mama, I want this one. So, I belined straight to those stuffed. animals and um I picked up this giraffe.

Bodie loved giraffes and they were just. his thing. My oldest son, who's 14, realized it's a follow giraffe where you. like you scan the um scan the code. that's on this giraffe and then you can. see where your animal is. We're looking. at where it is. I'm like, "Oh, that's. cool." And you know, I hand the phone to. my son and he's like looks up at me with. like his eyes were big and he's like, "Mom, the giraffe's origin date is.

February 18th." And I just looked at. him. February 18th is my son Bod's. birthday. So immediately I burst into. tears. I'm like a wreck. He made himself. known on our trip and we all took turns. clinging to this giraffe the rest of the. trip. >> Wow. That's a story. That's exactly what. you're talking about.

>> That's exactly what I'm talking about. >> Britney's joining us. Britney, hi. I'm. so sorry for the loss of Bodie. >> Hi. >> Your precious little Bod. with us in spirit. He's in spirit and. we're talking about him and the energy. of him is with us all now. If you're. comfortable with me asking, don't answer. if you don't want to. But how did he. pass at seven? So, it was kind of a traumatic passing, but it was very unexpected and um I call.

it a freak accident, but he was taking a. bath on a Saturday morning and we didn't. know, but he had interero virus and he. spiked a fever in the bathtub and it can. cause a feebral seizure and so he. ultimately had a febral seizure while. taking a bath. So, we had a few days in. the hospital with him and because they. got his heart started on the ambulance.

and so we had some days in the hospital. with him and we were hoping that we a. miracle would happen and we were praying. and we were just. holding on to hope that he would pull. through and his brain swelling wouldn't. be too much. But, um, we ultimately had. to say goodbye three days after that. accident. And. >> God, my heart breaks for you. My heart breaks. How long ago was this? >> Um, it was September 10th of 2024. So, a.

little over a year ago. >> That's just shocking. >> Yeah, >> shocking. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. And for the rest of the children in the. family just. >> Yeah. >> just so hard. So many things having to. deal with and unexplained things. So I'm. trying to understand and asking this. question for myself and the audience. listening to us as well. So he he had a. seizure. Did did he end was he did he. drown? Did he pass out in the tub? So.

they weren't really sure and the doctors. were kind of it was just their best. educated guess. Before the age of two, Bod had had two febral seizures. Now, that's just a body's way of responding. to a sudden spike in a fever. Now, those. two febral seizures he had had were. essentially harmless. I remember asking. the doctor, "Do I need to get him on. seizure medication?" "No, he will. outgrow these around age five. It's.

nothing to worry about." So, hindsight. is 2020. I think if we knew that he was. even feeling crummy that day, we would. have been right there next to him during. the bath. But at 7 and a half, you don't. sit there and stare at them. Like, they. want their privacy. So, you respect. that. And. >> absolutely. >> Um my husband had gone in and checked on. him as he was drawing his bath. And. >> Bod's like, he had taken a nap and he's. like, I feel great. I'm, you know, we're. going to have a good Saturday. And so my.

husband walked out and comes back and he. was already face down. So that was the. part that just didn't make sense to us. We're like, how did that happen? There. were no contusions to his head. There. were no reasons why. And they couldn't. call it a drowning because there was. little to no water in his lungs. >> So essentially, the seizure caused him. to go unconscious. And since he was face. down, when his body tried to breathe. again, it couldn't. And so that's why he.

didn't have water in his lungs. So it's. kind of hard to say like I can't just. say, "Oh yeah, he drowned." Because. that's not what happened. It's such a. >> complicated story. >> Yeah, it is complicated. And I know you. would want answers and your family would. want answers, but the only thing that. matters now is that he's not here. And. we were just looking at pictures of him. and he looks like such a happy boy. And. when I was reading about your story, I. just love the name Bodie. I love that.

name. >> Thank you. We named him Bodie because he. was our enlightenment baby. I entered my. pregnancy with him. I started to. meditate and started to just get more in. touch with my spiritual side. And so it. was the most fitting name for him. And. >> yes, >> here we are now. It still is the most. fitting name for him. >> Yes. Well, you had told my team that you. were never a quote woo woo spiritual. person, but that has now changed now.

with all the signs that you believe. Bodie has been sending you. And I. listen, I have I want you to tell us. about that, but I mean a giraffe is not. like a butterfly. You know, a lot of. people talk about I saw a butterfly. Well, we all see butterflies, but we. don't all see giraffes, [laughter]. >> you know. Well, Bodie loved giraffes. I. I don't know when it started, but from a. very young age, he loved giraffes. And.

so, he had so many giraffe stuffed. animals, and he just loved them. In. fact, the night of September 10th was. the night that we came home from the. hospital without Bod. And we, my kids. were like, "Can we please all sleep in. the same room?" I'm like, "Absolutely. Instant yes.". >> How old are your other children? How old. are the other children? Um, Juniper is. 12 and Braxton is 14. >> Okay. >> Um, they wanted to sleep in all the same. bed and so I was starting to prep the.

bed and just get stuff, you know, cleaned up and fixed up. And I noticed. I'm throwing on the bed stuffed animals. But my mind was in such a haze that I. wasn't even it wasn't registering what I. was doing. And my daughter Juniper is. the one who pointed it out. She said, "Mom, why are all of Bod's giraffe. stuffed animals here in your room?" And. I looked at them on the bed and I was. like, "I don't know." Knowing. very well the last time I tucked that.

boy in three nights previous, all of. those stuffed animals were in his bed. across the house. So, it was the first. sign that we received from him the night. we got home from the hospital. all of. his giraffe stuffed animals in my room. Other there were no other stuffed. animals, just his and just giraffes. And. so I kind of took that as a sign of like. giraffes are going to be maybe one of. our ways to get signs from him. I didn't.

really know because like like you said. and I said, I I was the biggest skeptic. I've never been a super in my adult. life, I haven't been a super religious. person. And so for me to lean into these. signs and be like, I know that it's him, >> I'm the biggest skeptic of them all. >> But when you all were away recently, the. story that you, you know, put on social. media, you were away and. >> Yeah. >> the voice in your head says go to the g.

giraffe. I mean, then it turns out it's. the same date as birth. I mean, what did. you think then? >> Yes, that was I I just knew it was him. I knew it was a sign from him and I. could feel it. I don't know how to. explain it, but I could feel his energy. I know as his mom what his energy feels. like and so I knew it was him. I often. go to his grave and I talked to him. I. feel closest to him there. So the day.

before our trip, I was sitting at his. grave and I said out loud, "I need a. sign from you. I need a sign that's. undeniable. Like I didn't I didn't know. what to ask for, but that undeniable. sign is exactly what he gave us of his. birth date 218. Um, >> wow. >> Right there. >> It sounds like it's right out. It sounds. like it's sounds like it's out of. Laurel's book. Really? Wow. >> It sounds like you were guided. It.

sounds like, you know, you were. illuminated. It sounds like that was a. sign. What do you want to say about. this, Laura Lyn Jackson? >> I first want to start by saying I'm so. sorry for your physical loss. Um, it's. so hard for us to ever try to make sense. about a child's crossing. It can't to us. logically. I can only share what they. tell me from the other side. And what. they tell me is that it's all about love. in some way. That they have taken that. love with them and are still connected. to the people they love here. Um, I. think it's so beautiful that you were.

open to trusting that voice you heard. that said, "Go buy that giraffe.". Because that's what our loved ones do. They want so badly for us to know they. are present with us still. And the joy. that that brought in knowing he was. still present with you, to his soul, to. your family while you were on vacation. for that is is really. >> It's like he was there. It's like he was. there. He joined the vacation. Absolutely. Yeah. And we took turns like.

holding the giraffe and my kids wanted. to Oh, it's my turn with the Bodie. giraffe. They wanted to just hold it and. it was a special thing for us to have. the the entire rest of the trip. >> Wow. I will tell you one thing too that. they tell me on the other side the. highest way we. >> who is they. >> and our loved ones who have crossed and. this is. collectively throughout all the readings. I do. Yeah. When I connect with people. on the other side who have crossed, they. all say the same thing to me and it's. this. The highest way that we can honor.

receiving a sign from them is to share. it that story. Share the story with. others. So, I just want to let you know. that you and he worked as a team of. light together. By you sharing that. online and now here with everybody who's. tuning in, they could learn about that. beautiful connection of love and know. that they too are connected to those. they love on the other side. >> So you and he became teachers.

>> Absolutely. Thank you. I started just. this summer to pivot my mind a little. bit to this is not the relationship that. I want as his mother. like, but if this. is what I'm going, like this is the way. I'm going to love him, then I'm going to. lean into whatever that is. And so, I. would say it was around June is when my. mind started to pivot and I'm going to. love him and I'm going to foster a. relationship with him no matter what.

that looks like. So, >> I that makes me want to cry, Britney. I. have to say that is just so powerful. and you have honored us so much and. honored the name of your son, the life. of your son by sharing his story with us. today. Thank you so much. I know that. the light of him will continue to guide. you and your entire family. [clears throat] cuz he it's really. strong. I hear you have the giraffe. there. >> I do. Would you like to see Hanie?

>> Yeah. Oh my. Here he is. >> That's a giraffe that was scanned in his. his birthday. >> Yes. This is the one. This is the little. scanning. This is the little thing. >> Oh, wow. Wow. >> So, yeah, there he is. >> That's a powerful story. Thank you so. much. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Blessings to you. >> That's amazing. >> Yeah. >> That makes me so full of love to hear.

>> I mean, it sounds like it's right out of. your book, right? Yeah, that you know. the book isn't about people coming to. me. It's about the beautiful stories. that I hear of connection that it it can. occur just by making this small change. of choosing to be open. Choosing to be. open to the guidance and to the messages. and learning to trust in it. So I think. there's two big obstacles. The first is. fear like what does this mean and this. is so strange and do I want to dive into. this? And the second is trust. trusting.

that inner voice that tells you go do. this. Trusting the messages. >> This is what I've experienced. Just tell. me if if you can affirm this or confirm. this that when somebody you love passes. away, the spirit of them I felt this. very strongly with uh when when Maya. passed that the spirit of them remains. or abides with you in some some way and. that you are as as Britney was just. saying there is a relationship of.

connection that is very different than. your relationship of connection when. that person was in the dense body, but. it's still very very very real. And I I. have sensed for myself that when people. who have loved you on earth pass that it. it it strengthens you. It makes you more. aware, makes you more on it, more. vibrant, more able to live your life.

with a different kind of intensity. >> Yes. Yes. And that's what death has. taught me. Is is is that the teach is. that one of the things you've. >> g the way that you just stated that was. so eloquent and profound and so true. And that's really the highest path we. can all take when we physically lose. someone we love because I think so often. this materialistic world, you know, the. paradigm we're living in, which by the. way has been blown to smitherines. decades ago, but we're still pretending. like what you see and touch is what.

there is. But I think what ends up. happening is that we think of death as a. dead end and it's not. It's a doorway. >> Yeah, I know. >> And that relationship strengthens. >> and people who were here and maybe even. we could have had conflict with or they. were stuck in a belief system. When we. cross and do our life review, we. understand in a millisecond the, you. know, ways we were thinking, maybe. things we were stuck in, how we made. others feel, and we evolve. And so those. relationships we have with people on the.

other side, they're not just continuing. They are getting stronger and brighter. Anytime we ask forgiveness or give. forgiveness is always received and. heard. >> And we have this beautiful spirit that's. present with us from the other side. guiding us, leading us. >> Yeah. I want to say to anybody who. somebody left and you felt like you. needed to forgive them or they needed to. forgive you, it all is well. Yes. >> All is well. All is well. You don't have.

to worry about I should have said or. what if I only said cuz once they leave, >> that's when you really get it. >> That's what I've come to. >> feel is true. Nikki is joining us from. Los Angeles. She and her longtime friend. group lost their dear friend two years. ago. Nikki, tell us your story. Hi, welcome. >> Thank you. Thank you so much for. including me. I really appreciate it. Uh. two years ago, my family and I lost a. dear friend, Andrea, to cancer. And at. the dinner table with our children who. were 8 and 11 at the time, we talked. about death and the soul. And our boys.

asked us, "Well, how will we know if. Andrea arrived to heaven safely?" And I. said, "Well, boys, she's going to show. us a sign." Well, mama, what is that. sign going to be? And collectively, they. decided, Andrea, you should show us your. name. I was like, okay. To myself, I'm. like, this is a big task, but I'm going. to go with it. Okay, Andrea, wherever. you are, if you've made it there safely, we love you. Show us your name. And that. weekend, we uh had taken a little family. vacation and we were in the little town.

and there was a bookstore and the boys. wanted to go buy a book and I was like, "Oh, in my head, this is the moment. Andrea, in the bookstore, come on. There's so many names. You got this. This is your time." obviously in my head. saying this and we were in there an. hour. Absolutely nothing. I was so. >> No, no author named Andrea. >> Not a thing, Oprah. Nothing. >> Okay, >> get in the car. And the kids are like, "Mama, what's wrong?" I mean, they could.

tell I was a little upset. And I said, "Boys, I have to be honest with you. In. the bookstore, I told Andrea in my mind, now is the time. Show us your name." As. we pulled up to the stoplight, the boys. go, "Mama, mama, look." Not only did she. show me a sign, she showed us a street. sign that said, "Andrea way.". >> Yeah. >> Sign. You could I have chills right now, but girls, she was not done. We got back. to the Airbnb and that night, my son. asked me to hand him the one book that.

he bought at the bookstore. He wanted to read it in his bed and it. was written by Andrea Bey. I didn't see. it in the store. So, she decided to show us a big old. sign on the way home. And um ever since then, I see Andrea's. name all the time. Uh we are having a. lunchon for Andrea like we do every year. during her birthday, which is coming up. this Sunday. And my spouse and I went to. dinner last weekend and we were talking.

about how much we were looking forward. to having the lunch. and it's when all. of her close friends and family get. together and we celebrate her and of. course we were crying in the car and we. got to dinner and we were seated across. from a storefront that said Andrea's. Of. course she makes us sit right across. from it at dinner tonight you guys. I. can't. We're just talking to her in the car. >> I just laughed. I said, "Thank you. We. love you." And I continue to talk to her. and you know for two decades I had a.

have a my grandmother who's passed away. whose apartment number was 807. She. shows me 807 twice a day every day in. everything I do. Whether it's a license. plate, how many emails I have, how many. likes there is, if it's a random phone. number or. >> the time. >> something from the gas company telling. me that this is your pin, it doesn't. stop. And today, your producers had. asked for some uh pictures that you. might be using. And so I found the last. one of my Grams and I last night, which.

I took a snapshot of, and I emailed it. to myself with the word Grahams in the. subject this morning so I could send it. to your producer. No sooner did I send. that to your producer, but I got a. random email from a person named Dne. Grahams. It was like she said to me, "I do 807. every day. I'm gonna give you this. today. >> Oh, wow. Wow. Do you have a question for. Laura? Wow. >> Um, Laura, I do have a question. You.

know, when our children do see these. signs, how can we nurture them instead. of influence them to make them feel like. that's the person or how do we honor. that? >> That's good. First, I want to start by. commending you so much for teaching them. about signs and that we can communicate. with loved ones on the other side. That. was the most important step because you. gave them the tool and you gave them the. blessing and permission to own that. beautiful part of themselves. So, just.

by doing that, this is phenomenal. What. I will say is now encourage them to. create a language of their own. Whether. that be with Andrea or a guide and have. them pick anything that they want, something that pops into their mind, anything they want at all. Just continue. to help guide them in the here and now. to the beautiful gifts they have inside. of connection and communication. >> Nikki, that that was a wonderful story.

you shared about Andrea. You can tell. her. You can stop now, Andrea. [laughter] It's everywhere. Andrea Way, Andrew in the book, Andrea on the. restaurant. It's okay. We We hear you. [laughter]. Thank you so much. >> Thank you so much. Thank you. >> Nicole is joining us from Chicago. I. hear before your mother died that the. two of you had a conversation about. sending her signs to you from the. afterlife. Tell us about that. Hi, Nicole.

>> We did. and you know, our conversations. about spirituality and faith and. religion and how to navigate life. without her here in the physical world. started long before um she got sick. And. one of the things that she said to me is. that I don't know what I'm going to send. you, but when I send it, you will know. And so after her transition four years. ago, you know, I see her birthday.

plastered all over social media. I see. it on license plates. I see it on the. clock when I'm cooking. And ironically. enough, I see white feathers in my house. just sprinkled where they shouldn't be. And I'm like, "Mom, is that you?" Like. I'm I find myself speaking to her out. loud looking for confirmations. And I. will say on my most difficult days, I. look for the signs and when they don't. come, I'm like, "Okay, you got to send.

me something because life is a mess. Life is hard. You know, I'm picking up. the phone. I want to call you. I want to. reach out." And it's just it's been. really tough. And so when she does send. me a sign, I'm like, "Okay, this is. giving me just a little bit more hope to. bring my whole self back to life." cuz. my mom was my soulmate and so when she. died I felt like a part of me went with. her. >> Do you have a question for Laura? >> I do. When I feel her presence and I see.

signs. stronger than I normally would. How do I. know without a shadow of doubt that they. are in fact her? Yeah. You know, it can. be so hard because we're so trained to. be in this analytical, critical thinking. mode of just logic. And so, we get in a. little wrestling match with those. spiritual experiences when we have them. Here's the rule that I've learned. If. you have a moment where you notice. something and you have this little voice.

inside you that says to you, I think. that was a sign it was. That little. voice is the connection. I think. learning to trust it is our real. challenge. >> That is the connection and learning to. trust it. >> You know, I just wanted to say to you uh. how commendable it is that you and your. mother had this conversation long before. she passed because one of the things. that I think is so key in all these. years and having conversations about. death and people who've had near-death.

experiences and transitioning, people. are afraid to talk about it. But what I. have learned from all of my. conversations and experiences with. scientists and psychics and mediums and. all all of them the array is that. staying open is the key. You know we've. been taught a certain way to behave and. grieve and mourn and so forth. And I. always say to people just stay open even.

in the grieving process. in the mourning. process. Obviously, you're mourning the. loss of your relationship here in the. density of the body, but just as Britney. was sharing with us about being able to. have a relationship with her son, however that was going to show up in the. spirit, you can continue to have a. relationship. It's not what we're. accustomed to, but can be as strong and. as powerful and certainly as guided. guided. I use those who've passed on,

Maya being amongst them, as my guides, you know, through the density of this. life. And I I see that you're doing the. same thing. And I wanted to just say, you know, when the feathers show up in. the room or whatever signs that you're. looking for, she's always there. >> She's never not there. Just because. you're looking at the signs and you. think, "Oh, that's you. That's you. She.

is always there. She abides with you, through you, above you, around you, and. in you. She is always there. >> Yeah. >> That's what I feel. >> I feel that for I feel I say that. because I so assuredly feel that for. myself. Is that not true? >> That's so true. That's so beautiful how. you said it, too. Because we ask for. these signs as proof and we need that. sometimes in the tangible world.

>> You're looking for the thing of the. thing of the thing and she's she's never. not there. >> Never not there. I love that. Yes. >> Never not there. >> All right. God bless. >> God bless. God bless Nicole. >> All right. Karen is join us joining us. from near Berkeley, California. Hi. Karen. I know you've been listening. How. do you relate to this conversation? >> It's very profound. Um, I've a lot of. what's already happened has um really.

touched me and has a lot of connection. with what I wanted to share. So, I lost. my sister-in-law who I knew for decades. She was my very best friend. Uh, she was. diagnosed with stage 4 stomach cancer um. in October of 23 and she died in May, 7. months later. And while it was a very hard seven. months, of course, she was such a. warrior and such a teacher, uh, that it. was actually a very inspirational 7.

months. And her death was also very. beautiful and. inspirational and designed by her in. many ways. Mhm. >> A couple weeks before she died, we had a. conversation and she said, "Karen, I. will always be with you and I will. always connect with you if you're open.". >> And. we had a we shared a very special bond. and she knew me very well. Um, she knew.

that I have trouble being more open. sometimes. I was different from her that. way and but she honored her promise. She. has showed up for me in very beautiful. ways. And when she does, I always say, "Hi, Raquel. I love you." And I I know. it's her, you know, uh, without a doubt. I guess that leads me to my question, which is that I feel that I'm somewhat. passive in our relationship, meaning she.

comes to me, but I really would like to. honor her more with being more. courageous and like you were saying, you. know, maybe address the fear and. generate more trust. >> How would I do that? >> How to open how how to be more open? I. mean, I think I keep going back to. Britney and and and Bod. I think the. fact that she was able to actually. articulate what you're trying to. express, not trying to express what you.

have expressed in guided and what we're. trying what we're trying to express here. is that it's about another kind of. relationship and we're all just used to. these relationships, you know, in the. dense body. But let Britney be your. guide and teacher also as well as Laura. Len Jackson here because the fact that. she's she feels that going to her son's. grave is the place that she can best you. know feel him or communicate with him. and that she's staying open to receiving.

the messages. That is the key as I as as. I have learned over the years with. >> my encounters with people who passed. What would you like to say? >> Absolutely. You know, one thing I would. like to share too is that we can receive. these signs and we know that they're. present, but they also are rooting for. us to live vibrant and engaged, meaningful lives where we are being. loving. So, one of the things that those. who have crossed on the other side will.

share with me consistently is that when. any person here does something in their. name, whether it's run a race, contribute to something, tell a story. about them, pay for somebody's ice cream. with the intention of this is to. celebrate my love for that person on the. other side. >> They're a team of light with us. They. get their energy gets to experience that. along with us. It's one of the most. beautiful things we can do. So, I want. to commend you. so much for being open. to this new language because as you said.

before that's not your norm but your. love for each other is what helped open. you and I think go forward into this. world talk about her celebrate her and. do acts in your own life that celebrate. that joy and that love in whatever way. feels right. >> yeah I do I do share everything that I. experience of her with her with her. daughter who's 15 and her. >> that's good. >> my brother and her son. I do try to pass. it along. So, >> but even even even may I just say uh to.

Karen that what Laurel Lynn was saying. earlier. >> just uh speaking her name and sharing. the story here. >> is a big thing. >> is a big powerful thing. It's like. >> yes. >> honoring the memory in a way that gives. you know respect and glory to that to to. her name and the work that she did here. here on earth in the in the body. >> Yeah. In closing, I would just say stay.

open. Stay open. Stay open. Stay open. >> And even if it feels. I never felt anything like this before. Never experienced the word. This is. weird. Stay open. Stay open. Stay open. Stay open. >> Thank you so much. >> You know what taught me this? in. addition to reading signs your book in. addition to having had so many. conversations over the years about death. and dying is I've had 21 dogs 19 of them.

have passed and what I started to see. was a pattern in the soul crossing of my. dogs that each one of them had a. different. energetic soul vibration. Some were. smaller than others. Some were bigger. than others. Some were more profound and. more pronounced than others. But I. started paying attention to the deaths. of my dogs and how their.

spirits abided with with me. So I think. this is also not just true of humans, but it's also true of loved animals and. pets that have gone on. >> Absolutely. Mhm. >> I think pets can even communicate with. us. >> better than humans initially sometimes. because I think our animal companions. never got stuck in the language, right, the English language or whatever. language. And so they're really good at. manipulating things to get us signs. right away to let us know they're still.

around and loving. If we can feel their. presence, that's so beautiful. I've also. found if we have other pets, we might. find that after, let's say we have a dog. here and a dog that crossed, we might. find that our dog here all of a sudden. sudden starts looking at something that. we can't see and barking and getting all. excited. Why? Animals can sense and see. spirit in a way that I think we're a. little limited. >> Yeah. And this is this is a this is. something that I've done in the past. I. don't know why I started doing this, but. maybe a vet told me this years ago. Um.

because I've had so many dogs and when. the dogs have been together and a dog. passes, I bring the other dogs in to. smell the dog that has passed. >> That's so. >> so that they can sense that the death. has come. >> and they're not waiting for the other. dog. So I just did this recently in. February when I lost my dog Sunny. I. brought Lauren uh Satie in to sense and. smell Sunny to know that Sunny was gone. And so they're not no longer waiting for.

Sunny cuz the dogs know the moment they. come up to the dead body. >> Yes. >> They know. >> Yes. >> And they just walk away. They're not. mourning or anything, but they they they. know that there's no life there. >> Yeah. >> What do you most want people to know. about the light on the other side? >> Oh, that it's real and that it's. accessible to all of us at all times. that no one ever needs to go to a. psychic medium to connect with that.

light. >> That's what you say. >> Yeah. >> You've written the book about it and. then you say we don't actually need a. psych. No one needs a psychic ever needs. a psychic medium. >> No one needs me to make these. connections happen in their lives. >> Absolutely true. You know, I spent 20. years as a high school English teacher. and I know that my soul is here as a. teacher. I happen to be a psychic medium. and I felt called. I knew this was my. calling now to open people's minds and. hearts to this teaching. But all I want. to teach them is that that doorway to. all of that, >> that connection, it's in each and every.

one of us. >> You can just do it by setting that. intention, saying, "Okay, I'm all in. I'm ready to receive your guidance. Send. me the signs. Send me the messages. Send. me the knowings. Guide me onto my. highest path." You know, I always love. to say to my team of light, "Use me as a. vehicle of the love and healing in this. world, however I can best be used." And. we can all say that because we're also. all part of each other's journeys. >> For sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I think use me is a beautiful. prayer. It's been one of mine for many.

years. Thank you, Laura Jackson. And. thank you to all of my guests for. sharing your story. Laura's new book is. called Guided, the Secret Path to an. Illuminated Life, which is the life we. all want. It is available wherever books. are sold. And I hope you come on back. next week. I'll be right here on the. Oprah podcast. Go well. You can. subscribe to the Oprah podcast on. YouTube and follow us on Spotify, Apple. Podcasts, or wherever you listen. I'll. see you next week. Thanks everybody.