The Courtroom Showdown Between Elon Musk and Sam Altman

From the New York Times, I'm Natalie. [music] Kitroeff. This is The Daily. >> [music]. >> For the last 3 weeks, a messy, dramatic. [music] battle has played out between. two of the most powerful titans of tech. in the world. Elon Musk and Sam Altman. In a high-stakes [music]. lawsuit, Musk is seeking to one. of the leaders of the AI boom, OpenAI, and remove Altman as [music] its chief.

executive. Today, as jury deliberations in [music]. the trial begin, tech reporter Mike. Isaac takes us inside the courtroom. [music] drama and explains how a. corporate dispute got extremely. personal. >> [music]. [music]. [music]. >> It's Monday, May 18th.

Oh my god, I'm so sorry. Can you hear. me? Mike, you made it. I'm sorry. I've. been so harried. Thank you for dealing. with it. I mean, are you hanging in? It seems. like it's been a long day. I'm pretty. fried, man. It's been like 3 weeks of. 12-hour days, 5:00 a.m. mornings. It's. pretty intense. Yeah, 3 weeks, no. breaks, covering the Musk-Altman trial. every single day. I have so many.

questions. Just tell us what that's been. like. What have you seen? >> [music]. >> Oh, yeah, there's Elon. So, it's downtown Oakland. It's the battle of the billionaires here. at the district court and Elon People. show up at like 5:00 or 6:00 o'clock in. the morning most days and right from the. beginning This song is hot off press. >> It's kind of like the circus is entering. town. Hm. Ready? He calls himself an altruist, but look.

at what he's done. His race to super AI. could kill each and every one. You have. a bunch of protest groups. You have. people who hate Sam Altman. You have. people who hate Elon Musk. >> Musk's ego marches [singing] on. You have people who hate everyone. involved. So, again, we have. trillionaires. and billionaires arguing over OpenAI,

while hundreds of thousands of workers. cannot afford to live in the region. Oh, and I forgot to mention the. You know those like wavy car dealership. things? >> Sure. Iconic. So, there's that with an. Elon Sucks printed in big block letters. on it. >> Okay. There's a more intense one of Musk. doing the Sieg Heil salute. >> Wow. Like the arms are doing the Heil. Yes, I don't actually know how they did. the engineering to make that work, but.

all of which is to say it's a scene. I. talked to one woman who is retired and. was a university administrator and has. just been showing up cuz it's fun. Everyone is showing up hoping to get. into the courtroom, which is only like. 30 unreserved seats, so it's kind of. like trying to get in the club, but the. club is people worried about the end of. the world because of AI, basically. So, high-intensity atmosphere outside. the courtroom, clearly. What about.

inside? You know, we all have to go into. this federal courthouse. and it's a pretty intimate hallway that. leads to the courtroom. And then on the. other side is like a holding pen where. they keep all the like billionaires that. don't want to be around people like me. all day, and they have to essentially. walk past us to get into the courtroom. So every day on the way in you have Elon. Musk, Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, one of.

the other co-founders of OpenAI, all the. sort of like bigwigs of AI kind of. coming down to earth and dealing with. the press and the public and their fans. and their detractors. But it's more than. that, it's this moment where the stakes. are pretty big here. Talk about that. Yeah, it's Musk levying this lawsuit. which has been years now in the making. He's saying that with this project that. he got involved with with OpenAI so many. years ago, he was duped essentially from.

creating what he thought would be a. nonprofit to build artificial. intelligence for the good of mankind and. instead what Elon Musk says is that he. was tricked by his co-founders, Sam. Altman, Greg Brockman, who decided they. wanted to make it a for-profit company. once they had stars and dollar signs in. their eyes. And I think it's you know, there's a lot. of lawsuits that fly around Silicon. Valley, but this one could really damage.

OpenAI, what is now almost a. trillion-dollar private company. Say. why. So Musk is asking for a lot. For. one, he wants 150 billion with a B. dollars in damages, but he's saying not. for me, of course, it's to be returned. to the nonprofit organization, which is. like the parent of OpenAI, the. for-profit company. So it's like this. quote-unquote selfless moment that he's. trying to do. Musk is also asking for.

them to unwind this for-profit structure. that they've devised and basically turn. OpenAI back into exclusively a. nonprofit. And finally, we have I guess. what would be the coup de grâce for. management, which is to basically remove. Sam Altman and Greg Brockman from the. top of the company and the board of. directors. And And that's a big deal. So, it's a lot. >> [snorts]. >> Mike, I think it's going to be news to.

people that OpenAI even has a non-profit. company attached to it. So, I want you. to kind of go back to the beginning, which seems like is at the heart of this. case. Yes. Rewind to 2015. We have this moment of Elon Musk sitting. down with Larry Page, chief executive of. Google, and having basically a big. disagreement over the future of what AI. should look like. Musk says, "I'm very.

worried." Apparently, he's been talking. at parties forever how he's very. concerned about the future of AI and it. harming humanity. Larry Page says, "Whatever, it's fine, you know, the way that AI will progress, even if it's not for the good of. mankind, it's still going to be okay. because AI will survive past us.". Musk is shocked and aghast by that and. saying, "You know, you don't care about. humanity." Page calls him a speciesist,

which is a funny, new to me word. >> Not a term I've heard. 100% saying, you. know, like he's being discriminatory. against an artificial intelligence. robot. And Elon's like, "I got to do. something about Google." Goes and starts. talking with Sam Altman, who then was. running a startup incubator in Silicon. Valley, and saying, "This is existential. stuff. We need to worry about what AI. could do for the future.". Thus, OpenAI was born. And the idea was, "We should be the ones building the.

future of artificial intelligence, but. we need to do it safely and build it in. a altruistic manner, let's say.". And Elon Musk was the money man, right? He had made a ton of money on PayPal. He. was building Tesla and doing really. well. He had SpaceX and you know, this. feels long ago, but his star was also. pretty high and there was it was mostly. seeing him as like. Iron Man slash boy wonder inventions guy.

and you know, the entrepreneur that. everyone loved. So he was the one that. was like, okay, I'm going to fund this. thing that's a money-losing endeavor, but that's the point because we're doing. this for the good of mankind, basically. And from the beginning, everyone. involved, including Musk, Altman, they. agree AI is this incredibly important. technology and that it's really critical. that they be in charge of it as an. altruistic endeavor so that in their.

minds the good guys are the stewards of. this ultra-powerful thing that's coming. And the thought is Altman is going to. build it and Musk is going to fund it. Yeah, that's right. And you know, the. funny thing going on in this trial too. is just sort of seeing a window into how. they were talking about it over email at. the time and like this was when no one. cared about AI and it was kind of a. fringe pursuit and they were all talking. about it like the far-flung universe in. which AI was going to take over the. world. They were serious about it. It's.

interesting because we hear so much of. that now, these doomerist kind of. concerns about AI, but you're saying. privately amongst each other they were. voicing that early on. Yeah, totally. I. mean, I'm I've been out here in the. valley for like 16, 17 years and pretty. cynical and usually when I I hear these. sort of grand proclamations about. worrying about humanity, I'm just like, okay, all right. But like they've been. talking about this for a long time in. the same way and weren't performing on.

an email chain of three people. Okay. So, these guys joined forces, they're. aligned on mission. What happens next? Yeah, so Musk, who by [clears throat]. the way is running multiple companies, is kind of a figure in the background. who is paying the rent. He's got the. checks coming in, funding this thing, while Sam Altman and Greg Brockman are. trying to do the work of building the. next generation AI models, right? We get. to around 2017-2018.

Greg and Sam start talking about if we. need to develop these models the way we. want to, we are going to need a heck of. a lot more money. And maybe like in the. millions, tens of millions, billions. even, like long before the insane sums. we know we're spending now. But they. start saying this not-for-profit model, the way we have it structured may not. work entirely. They're basically.

realizing this is going to be super. resource-intensive and a nonprofit isn't. going to get us where we need to be to. build the thing we need to build. Yeah, that's exactly right. And so what we. started seeing come out in the trial is. uh emails between Sam Altman and Greg. Brockman trying to figure out just. exactly how they could change this. nonprofit structure into something that. could help them get the money they. needed. And so what do they do? So.

there's this sort of like interesting. Cold War battle brewing between Sam and. Elon and other folks involved. They're exchanging these increasingly. terse and tense emails with one another. And Musk is worried that he's. essentially losing his grasp on this. nonprofit company. And so he has this idea. of moving OpenAI inside of Tesla to say,

"Hey, we can incubate it in here. This. is where we can build AI.". Altman bucks at that idea. And things. basically fall apart. And so at that. point, Elon says, "Look, I'm out. Go with God. Good luck. I'm. doing my own thing." Wow, he he's out. He cuts bait over this. That's right. He's just like tired of it. And you have. to understand, too, AI development at. the time was not what it is now. It. wasn't like him saying, "I don't care. about the hottest technology ever." Like.

this thing was costing him money and it. was making him frustrated and he was. arguing at them on a thing that he. didn't know if it would ever work. Right. And for OpenAI, does that mean. that the Elon money spigot then turns. off? Practically, what's the consequence. for them? I mean, it's funny, he. actually does continue to pay rent on. their offices for a few more months, which is nice of him, I guess. But Sam. and Greg start talking to Microsoft, the. king of software from forever. They've. been doing a bunch of AI spending for a.

long time. They realize that Google is. very far ahead of them in AI. And so. Microsoft's Satya Nadella, the CEO, says, "Hey, do we need to get on this AI. train? Should we be funding this. research in OpenAI?" That's sort of the. deal they start arranging. And, you. know, Sam and Greg negotiate this thing. where Microsoft will now be the backer. of incubating AI research inside of. OpenAI. And Microsoft promises OpenAI a.

billion dollars. And it's important. there because the amount of money that. Elon Musk spent on this was $38 million, which It's a lot to me. >> yeah, it's more than I make. >> [laughter]. >> Right, but in the grand scheme of things. In the grand scheme of things, it's. nothing compared to how much Microsoft. and others would eventually put into. this. Okay, so the split at this point doesn't. sound that acrimonious. Like it doesn't. sound that bitter if he's still paying.

the rent. It's just kind of like, okay, we agreed to part ways. Yes. So then how. does it get to the point where Musk is. now suing them for 150 billion? Open AI almost unceremoniously releases. chat GPT in 2022, their chatbot that. they didn't really think was a big deal. at the time, but they put it out in the. world and then the thing goes crazy. Like it literally becomes the most. downloaded app of all time overnight. It. also wakes up every big company in in.

the valley saying, okay, time to invest. enormous amounts of money in this. And. Microsoft decides to really step it up. and invest 10 billion dollars in Open. AI. Woah. Which is a lot of money. The one person who doesn't like this. when they hear about it is Elon Musk. Why? So, if you're Elon Musk and you're. thinking, okay, I left this AI startup. that I founded, co-founded as a.

nonprofit, and now all of a sudden this. thing sure seems like it's taking on the. characteristics of a for-profit company. with a significant amount of investment. I'm not happy. And so he fires off this message to Sam. Altman just being like, "Dude, what are you doing? This feels. like a bait and switch." So this is the. moment when. Elon gets really mad at Open AI. It's. after they have this hit on their hands, it's after they start to look dominant.

in this industry. And if I'm not wrong. about this, isn't this also when Musk. himself is launching an AI company. around the same time? You are not wrong. about this. He starts building XAI, which is his own version of developing. the next generation AI models. He wants. to essentially compete with what OpenAI. is doing. Just curious, was Musk's AI project a. nonprofit? Funny you asked that,

actually. It was not a nonprofit. This. is a a for-profit company. And you're getting at something which I. think is really key to the case. Sam Altman and Elon Musk are both. accusing each other of being. hypocritical in what they're doing, you. know? I think this case is basically. like deciding which billionaire you. believe.

We'll be right [music] back. Mike, you're telling us this whole trial. hinges on how credible members of the. jury find these two tech titans, which. billionaire they believe. So, let's get. into the stories that these billionaires. told about themselves in their.

testimonies, which I understand were. quite explosive. Let's start with Musk. Here's something you should probably. think about leading up to the trial. There was actually some difficulty in. finding a jury that wasn't biased. against Musk for a little while because. of. >> No. You might be surprised, but because of. his recent political activities, because. he was willing to be very vocal about. his politics online. He's aligned with. President Trump in a lot of ways. And. one way that Musk started off his.

testimony and his lawyers started. questioning them is to go back to that. era we were talking about where people. still revered Elon Musk. He created. PayPal. He co-created Tesla and SpaceX. And they tried to paint him as this. serial entrepreneur dreamer guy who just. wants to do things that are good for the. world and good for humanity. Do you. think that worked, Mike? It makes sense. that they wanted to do that. Did it.

succeed? Jury trials like this are always a. crapshoot. You really don't know if. people are going to buy it or not, but I. was looking at the jury the whole time. and there's something powerful about. having the world's literal richest and. most powerful men in front of you and. the way that they deliver these. testimonies is they don't face the. lawyers, they face the jury and they're. maybe a few feet away. And so, Elon. Musk, this guy who was at least once. revered as like the heir to Steve Jobs.

as far as creativity and technology, telling you that he cares about. humanity, he cares about you, the. jurors, and is doing this for you. I think it was probably smart for them. to kind of at least lay that groundwork. and this is where Elon Musk was when he. was building Open AI. And what was he. like on the stand? Musk has like all. these interesting mannerisms, you know, he tends to mutter and ramble, but in a. occasionally. self-effacing and even charming way, if.

you can believe that. He talks about. these big grand things, you know, oh, I. want to go to Mars, I want to save. humanity, but doesn't do it with the. grandeur of a carnival barker or P.T. Barnum. He's just sort of muttering it. as an engineer would be saying. something, right? And and it's very. interesting. That is interesting because. I was going to say. claiming that you want to save humanity, it feels like that could go one of two. ways. Either you sound like a.

megalomaniac, frankly, or you sound like. an altruist. 100%. I remember actually. at a tech conference years ago where he. was doing similar sort of way of. delivering his, you know, big grand. thoughts and it really worked on the. crowd because of exactly what you said. There is a a sort of interesting charm. that I think works on a certain crowd. when he says it so matter-of-factly like. this is just his life and the way he. thinks about, I don't know, going to the. grocery store. He's like, "Okay, I got.

to buy vegetables, I got to buy some. soda, and I have to take us to Mars. eventually." That's what is his daily. list looks like, I guess. Fundamentally, Musk's argument in the. case is that Altman deceived him. Did he. come off as genuinely hurt? Yeah, so. there was a very clear line that Musk. and his attorneys sort of went over and. over, which was they're trying to steal. a charity. And if you allow OpenAI to.

get away with this, no charity will ever. be safe in the future, is basically how. he positioned it. And I think that was just sort of laying. the groundwork for little old me, I'm. this billionaire who also wants to save. humanity and do it altruistically. without any sort of hint of profit, while my counterpart sitting across from. me over there is this Machiavellian guy. who, once he got the whiff of money from.

this endeavor, decided to change the. whole thing and pulled the rug out from. under me. But, I think the most memorable part was. upon cross-examination. from OpenAI's attorneys. That's when. Elon Musk, the fighter, let the. fireworks out, essentially. Tell me what. happened. Yeah, so. I think this actually kind of goes to. the heart of how OpenAI is trying to. prove its case. They're saying.

Elon Musk is just a spurned guy who. feels like he's being out competed and. he's mad that he didn't have control. over this thing. And the way that. OpenAI's attorneys come at Musk. is I think a way that Musk probably. doesn't get spoken to that often. He. starts getting prodded by. cross-examination. and questions insinuating that he's. being untruthful or hypocritical or. contradictory. And the humble sort of. aw shucks entrepreneurial Musk from.

before starts melting away and we get. >> Uh-huh. Musk the the pugilist, right? He starts. getting snippy and saying, "You're being disingenuous. You're not. telling the truth. The questions you're. asking me are not yes or no questions.". And getting really sort of caught up in. the details of how he's being spoken to. It went from like inspirational tone to. him being really mad and really upset. with the other attorneys. And.

it's one of those things that could go. either way. When he was getting these. little clapbacks in, let's say, there. were guys around me who were clearly. there to view Musk and they would do. little fist pumps or laugh at like. Musk's jokes or snippiness and the. gallery was sort of popping off. Were. people really fist bumping in the. audience? >> you have no idea. It was a wild gallery. When I was in the back, I would hear. snickers around me from people who were. clearly fans of Musk when they felt he.

was scoring a point against the lawyers. It was like a show, man. It was like. really. >> a cage match happening. [laughter]. It was a trip. That was the thing. It. was sort of like people wanted the Elon. show and they got it. And it was one of. these moments for the OpenAI lawyers to. show, "Hey, look. This is how Elon Musk. can get when he doesn't get his way, essentially." It was the idea that this. is about Musk being mad that he's not in. control, he's being left behind, and now. he's throwing a tantrum.

Okay, what about Sam Altman? What was. the Altman show? Yeah, so. how do I put this? I wouldn't call him like classically. charismatic. Sure. But. I think he has a type of charisma that. actually works for him. He's more. soft-spoken. He was leaning into this sort of like. I'm an entrepreneur who cares about the. world. Clearly not as famous as Elon. Musk, but I came from humble beginnings.

and I built startups. I worked in. Silicon Valley with other optimistic. entrepreneurs. And it worked for him, you know, like I think it was a chance. for him to really present himself to the. jury for the first time and I do think. that he presented well in that regard. You know, he tried to talk about his. passion for tech and for building things. and this idea of getting into the. technology industry to make a positive. difference in the world.

And how did Musk's lawyers try to poke. holes in that image? So. this is where things get. super gnarly for Altman. There has been. piece after piece of. the image of Sam Altman being chipped. away in public. A lot of this started when he was uh. briefly fired from his job from the. board of directors and then reinstated, which. the reason he was fired was because he.

was {quote} "not consistently candid. with the executives at the company.". There have been articles about him being. duplicitous, telling people one thing. and then telling people completely. opposite things 5 minutes later. There. was a particularly damning article in. The New Yorker a few weeks ago, basically painting him as just a. fundamentally untrustworthy person. Right. So while he may not be as famous as Elon.

Musk, the information that has been made. public about him and that has gotten a. lot of attention recently has basically. amounted to accusations that he's. deceptive. I mean, if this is any. indication, literally the first question. out of Elon Musk's counsel's mouth was, "Are you trustworthy?". Wow, throwing down the gauntlet. >> Just like a like a bucket of cold water. in his face right off of the bat. And it. was funny actually cuz.

I don't even know how I would answer. that. I would probably say like, "I. think so." or something. But like You. are trustworthy, Mike. >> I Well, I appreciate that. Thank you. And I think he said what I said, like, "I think so. Like, yeah, I would like to. believe so." And then immediately Elon's. lawyers were like, "Oh, you think so? You're not immediately trustworthy? Are. you not trustworthy?" Like it was. brutal. And it was very much just a just. a a parade of here are all the ways we. think you're a bald-faced liar in every. aspect of your life. Just over and over.

and over again, you're saying. >> Yeah. Yeah, like I mean, I was. uncomfortable. I do this for a living. and I was like, "Oh, god. That's brutal. Please stop.". I think it can be kind of a gamble. Like. maybe the jury absorbed it or maybe they. thought it was a bit much, but picture. that Musk counsel was trying to paint. was essentially. this guy is not building AI for the. right reasons. Elon Musk is and Sam. Altman is not. What's Altman's demeanor. as these accusations are being presented.

to him? He tried to sort of be humble. and say, "I I think I'm trustworthy.". and then slowly. over the course of hours of questioning. started to push back and started being a. little more forceful in his pushback. He. certainly was not like Elon who would. just throw insults right back at the. lawyers or whatever, you know, and I. think Altman was. you know, probably had the foresight to. not come off as snippy in that regard,

but I think after like hour one of. getting called, you know, Satan, he. decided to start pushing back a little. bit more. It's interesting how personal. this all sounds. Like you said this. trial feels very much about the. characters of these two men. It's ostensibly about whether this. company. that was a non-profit betrayed its. original mission, but at a really. fundamental sense, it seems to be about.

who these people are at their core. Yeah, totally. And I I really think. that's part of the point of why we've. been getting into all these old emails. and muckraking. It's because a lot of. this trial feels kind of vibes-based at. this point. You have to remember this is. a jury of nine people who are. essentially trying to figure out kind of. which side they trust more. Right. Is it. Elon Musk telling the truth? Is it Sam. Altman? And I think each new bit of. evidence being introduced is trying to. sway the jury a little bit more that.

actually this person shouldn't be. trusted. Mike, you obviously can't say. all that much about the jury and it. would be unfair for me to ask you to. predict what's about to happen, but. >> Thank you. >> [laughter]. >> But I have to ask. who do you think. came out on top in the war to prove to. these nine people that they are the more. credible one? No, totally. I mean, well, can I just tell you as I was reporting.

this trial, I would get random messages. from people who are trying to bet on the. outcome of this trial on Kalshi and. Polymarket. Okay, but that's not why I'm. asking. >> [laughter]. >> I was going to say, so I'm not telling. you if that's the case. But no. Also, I. did [clears throat] not respond to any. of them. But, it's too hard to tell, you know? And. there's still a bunch of stuff that has. to happen before we even get to a real. outcome. The jury has to deliberate on. the verdict itself. The judge has to.

decide what remedies are, depending on. who wins. And I am sure there's going to. be appeals after whatever decision. comes. So, Mike, setting aside who may win, what do you. think the effect of this case will be? Of all the mudslinging and the tarring. and feathering of these two guys at this. moment when public opinion of AI is so. contested? I mean, it's not lost on me.

that this is all happening in a context. where neither of these two men or AI in. general is broadly beloved. Does it. heighten the sense that people might. have, the skepticism that people might. have over the leaders of this hugely. important industry? I mean, it certainly. doesn't help to have all these gnarly. emails from the past saying really bad. stuff about each other out there for. public consumption. But, I I think you're exactly right.

We're in this weird moment in Silicon. Valley where. everyone in AI. realizes how much the average person. isn't as enamored with it as they are, you know? Right. >> Technologists see is this is how we can. do things faster and better, and these. jobs are going to go away, but in. service of. something bigger and better. And what. the average person hears out in the rest. of the world is you're going to take my. jobs, and you're going to, you know, be. richer than God, and I'm going to be.

left with the scraps. Why would I Why. would I see anything good in this, you. know? Whoever wins this case, there is. something lost for both sides there. because. it's just a lot of real ugliness being. dredged up for the public to see and and. judge for themselves, you know? So, sure they can say all day long that they. want to get back to building and I'm. sure that they do, but also. this is part of the game, man. This is.

how they chip away at each other in this. incredibly intense competitive arena. around racing to build AI. Obviously, competition has always. existed in this space, but it just. strikes me that what you're describing. right now is so different from that era. in 2015 that you heard about in this. trial where there was a real sense of. joint mission around this. Look, Silicon. Valley has always been a competitive.

place, but I was actually [clears throat]. talking to my editor the other day. and she was saying, "I don't think I've. ever seen it this crazy the entire time. I've been reporting out here." And I. agree with her, you know, like there's. something different about how people are. competing in this AI race, you know? It's not just raising millions of. dollars, it's tens of billions, hundreds. of billions of dollars at stake. It's. looking at your competitors and dragging. their name and reputation through the.

mud anyway you can. It's getting as much. competitive intelligence on each other. so you can throw it into a lawsuit or. get some like nasty character. assassination out there into the public. It's doing whatever you can to keep. other people from investing your. competitors. And you have Molotov. cocktails being thrown at Sam Altman's. house, for example. I mean, the public. feeling about it is heightened, too. I. think that's the other part of it, you.

know, like there's the money part and. there are people who believe this is. actually existential, you know, actually. the stakes are not just I'm going to. have the next cool company. It's what. happens to the human race if we fail. >> [music]. >> But. look, the jury's deliberating right now. The trial is still, you know, a total. [music]. up-in-the-air thing.

But I think no matter what the outcome. of this thing is, there's not really any. coming back from how high-stakes things. are. That's just how it is out here now. >> [music]. [music]. >> Well, Mike, thanks so much. We really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. >> [music]. >> We'll be right back.

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