The HUGE DETAIL We Missed About Doctor Doom in the Avengers Doomsday Trailer!

Did you do this? >> ANSWER ME, VICTOR. DID YOU do this? >> TELL ME, REED, WHAT IS VICTOR HOLDING? Welcome back to New Rockstars. I'm Eric. Voss, and we have to talk about these. new details about Dr. Doom from the. recent Avengers Doomsday trailer and the. huge theory surrounding Doom that could. be the big twist of this movie. And the. reason it had to be Robert Downey Jr. playing this version of Victor. We have. some amazing Dr. Doom designs available. exclusively at our merch store, nerd. riot.shop, shop like this shirt that I'm. wearing called Immovable Doom, showing. the moment the dude completely.

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that Dr. Doom smashes and flies out of. and then sticks the landing. In our. trailer breakdown, I pointed out how. this structure appears to be the same. ship from the set photo that came out. But when Doom smashes through this. window, notice that his back is facing. outward toward us and then an object. flies next to him. At first, I thought. this was Muolnir smacking him out the. window. But something else is certainly. going on here. For one, while Doom. begins this path, reacting to being hit, he certainly does some kind of. reconfiguration midair and then lands. confidently facing us. And yes, Doom in. his landing is now wearing his alternate.

suit. The suit that I saw in the Marvel. TVA walkthrough experience at D23. the. suit with the one cape clasp and the. smoother mask without the visible armor. It's certainly a different suit than the. one that we see Doom wearing most other. times in this footage with the two. clasps and the armor all over. What's. interesting is the editing to this. trailer makes it seem like this is all. part of Doom's fight with Thor. Like. this could be the moment Doom arrives to. his confrontation with Thor. But no, the. structure that Doom smashes out of. You. can see that same structure at 1 minute. and 29 seconds in the wide shot of Doom.

flinging Stormbreaker out of Thor's. hand. In that shot, Doom wears the more. armored suit. The window on that. structure is not yet broken. So, after. Doom does this to Thor, the fight will. continue into this structure where Doom. will get blasted out wearing this. alternate suit. Or maybe there are. multiples of this structure. I'm not. really sure. But is the thing that. knocks him out of that window MUN or is. it something else? If you go through it. frame by frame, it does seem to be. smaller and without a handle. Well, recipients of the Iron Studios Dr. Doom. figure for Avengers Doomsday have.

noticed something about his hand. One. attachment is Doom's official spell book. for this movie with runes and markings. that match the sigil on his gauntlet. I. think this might be Doom's book of. Vishanti or maybe even the Darkhold or. the book of Kagglestro from the 828. universe. Actually, speaking of Doom's. witchcraft, this trailer does show us a. glimpse of the Latbeian witches at 42. seconds in. When you brighten up the. shot, it looks like one or more of them. are standing right behind Doom in this. shot in this overhead shot of him in the. throne room. But another attachment for. the figurine shows Doom holding a.

specific device. Our friends just the. nobody's unboxing video noted this and. oddly did not go into detail. >> So this device we will not talk about. right now. >> These guys are great. I've hung out with. them at a few press events and I can. tell you they're often in much closer. communication with people making these. films than I am and they just know stuff. that I definitely don't know. But I do. think this small rectangular device is. what flies next to Doom in the shot of. him smashing through the window in. landing. And I also think it might be. the same object Victor could be holding. in his hand in this shot. >> ANSWER ME, VICTOR. DID YOU DO THIS?

>> It's hard to tell if it's a chunk of. Doom's gauntlet in the bottom of the. frame there or if it's the same. rectangular device from the figurine. The prevailing theory out there is that. this device is the ultimate nullifier. I. honestly don't know where this theory. started or why people seem to be so. convinced of it. In my first glance of. it, I thought based on its color that. it's Doom's teleporter device. You know, like the time door platform that John. Krosinski's Reed Richards uses in. Multiverse of Madness, which the artists. who worked on that movie said was based. on Dr. Doom's time door in the comics. But for now, let's play with the idea. that it is the ultimate nullifier. The.

ultimate nullifier is a critical piece. of technology that dates all the way. back to the Fantastic 4 Galactus arc in. 1966. Originally, it was the device that. Johnny Storm directed by Uati the. Watcher, recovers from Tat 2 and brings. back to Earth so that Reed Richards can. use it to threaten Galactis into leaving. Earth alone. It's basically just a kind. of doomsday device that can undo the. entire galaxy. And Galactus is like, "Well, I don't want to go down with the. ship." Okay, you got me, Mr. Richards. But in the more recent comics in 2022, we learned the device was made by the.

watcher Imnu. This device can be used. for complete eraser of any being, any. timeline, any universe, rewriting things. so that it never existed. Unlike the. pruning rod of the TVA and Loki, which. extracts people and things from their. positions on the sacred timeline and. banishes them to the void, the Ultimate. Nullifier just completely eradicates. something from any existence. It just. unmakes it. Though potentially if this. is an MCU version of the ultimate. nullifier, maybe it is something that. functions kind of like the pruning rod. and it's kind of like the ultimate. pruning rod, something that bypasses all. other pruning rods in the TVA or the.

source technology of Victor timely and. oraoris that all pruning rods were. derived from. And it's something that. Dr. Doom can use to just immediately. banish anything to the void as he's. building battle world. But I think it's. interesting that the ultimate nullifier. did not come up in Fantastic 4 First. Steps despite that being a mostly. faithful adaptation of the Galactus. story line in the comics. Johnny Storm. instead went on a different kind of. journey to glimpse the Silver Surfer. Shallabal's home world. And then that. connection he had with her ended up. being pivotal in the way the Fantastic 4. were able to defeat Galactis. Now, where. and how could Victor von Doom have.

obtained the ultimate nullifier? Well, there is only one source, FOLKS. NULLIFIER RIOT.SHOP. SHOP TILL YOU DROP. YOUR ONE-STOP SHOP for all your nerdy. reality erasing gear like this null mask. null task one. Alternatively, perhaps. after the events of Fantastic 4 first. steps in the 828 universe, Liberia was. particularly impacted by this worldwide. conservation of energy and mobilization. to build these teleportation platforms. that Reed was trying to get everybody on. Earth behind, which did end up kind of. blowing up in his face when almost all. of these were wrecked by the Silver. Surfer. I always wondered what happened.

to those other countries where the ruins. of those platforms just started to. smolder in those cities. Maybe one of. those host countries was Latvveria. And. in the smoke and ash of Reed's stupid. effort, ruler of Latvia, Victor Von. Doom, could be particularly salty. To. see Reed end up getting all the credit. for defeating Galactus. And Victor, having already lost his wife and child. due to whatever was done by Steve Rogers. from another universe, Victor might just. say, "My invention will nullify such. threats as Galactus if Galactus ever. returns." And then Victor, after having. done some Tony Starkesque tinkering in.

his lab, has a Eureka moment of a weapon. that could actually go far further and. erase anything, people, cities, worlds, universes, bad jokes from Eric Voss, any. of it from existence. So, getting back. to this scene from the Doomsday trailer, Reed could now be raging at Victor for. Victor having used the ultimate. nullifier to unmake something or maybe. to ravage a version of New York that we. see in this trailer. Or maybe he just. completely unmade the whole 828. universe. Either way, I'm kind of. worried that Reed is so angry up in. Doom's face right now. It could result. in Victor just saying, "I'm sorry,

Reed." And zap! Reed will be ultimate. nullified. Maybe that's why Sue seems to. be grieving Reed when she opens the. trailer by talking about how Victor was. the smartest guy in every room. But in. this moment with Reed, I think, is where. people are wondering if there might be. something that's being hidden from us. with Dr. Doom in this footage. The first. time Reed quietly asks Victor, "Did you. do this?" We cut to this close-up of. Victor under the mask and his eyes sadly. opening. With this expression in the two. Doom suits that we're now seeing, there. is a theory going around this week that. there are actually two Victor von Dooms. in this movie. One played by Robert.

Downey Jr. who is some kind of variant. of Tony Stark and one played by Killian. Murphy, Robert Downey Jr.'s co-star from. Oppenheimer. Look, I get it. Marvel. Studios seems to be obsessed with. Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer. We all. should be. They positioned Peter Parker. as the Jay. Robert Oppenheimer of the. MCU with his invention of mutant. inhibitor technology and Bruce Banner as. the Albert Einstein figure who tried to. warn him not to. And in the first Iron. Man movie, the opening montage of news. articles showed that Howard Stark worked. on the Manhattan project in the MCU. continuity. And in 2025, the Rooster. Brothers revealed to Amaleche that in.

the late summer of 2023, Kevin Feige and. Steven Mcily were in discussion with. these directors and Robert Downey Jr. about returning as Dr. Doom. >> Who who came up with with idea to bring. Downey Jr. again as that guy. >> that was Kevin. >> And interesting enough about that is. that conversation was had a while ago. and then. >> Robert tried to talk us into doing it. and we said no. Weirdly because we said. we would come back. We just didn't have. a story. We didn't have a way in. And. then one day Steve Mcily who's one of.

our key collaborators said I have an. idea. And he called us to pit and we. went that's the story. That story has to. be told. And the only thing I will say. about the movie is this. We love. villains. >> who think they're the heroes of their. own stories. That's when they become. three-dimensional and when they become. more interesting. And when you have an. actor like Robert Downey, you have to. create a well-shaped three-dimensional. character for the audience. That's where.

a lot of our focus is going. Late summer. 2023 would have been right after. Oppenheimer released and the whole Oscar. conversation about Robert Downey Jr. as. the villain Lewis Stross was heating up. So maybe McLey's big idea was to have. two dooms and cast the hero and villain. of Oppenheimer in those roles and tried. to hope this theory into existence. Many. online have been sharing this clip of. Killian Murphy speaking Romanian and. Peiquey Blinders to show how good he. would sound as Dr. Doomrop.

And in that period of July 2023, right. after Oenheimer came out, Josh Horowitz. asked Killian Murphy if he would ever be. interested in playing Dr. Doom and the. actor signaled that he would. >> For instance, I see a lot of fan art of. you as like Dr. Doom, >> right? >> Like, have you done your comic book. villain thing? Is that hold any interest. or like would you. >> each character is different? You know, Dr. Doom is different than Scarecrow. who, you know, as long as the script and. the person's there, then sure, we can. talk. >> Yeah. I mean, I I'm always it's always. about the script. Yeah. >> So, I'll I'll read, you know, if someone. sends me a script, I I'll I'll read it.

Um, and you never know what what turns. up. >> Look, I think Killian Murphy would make. a perfect Victor von Doom for the MCU. beyond Secret Wars after Robert Downey. Jr. steps away from the role. But I just. find this theory to be too convenient. because guys, I live in this town. I. know how this industry works, and it is. really hard to keep a secret that big, an actor like this making not just a one. scene cameo, but sharing the title role. of the movie. If you play a character. whose name is in the title of a. multi-billion dollar film, there are. going to be hundreds of people involved. in that decision, people with.

assistance, so that this will leak to. the people that you follow on social. media, like agents, publicists, managers, lawyers, all of these people's. assistants and relatives and roommates. And not to mention, this kind of thing. would have to be reported to the union. where there are dozens of people working. at that union who would love to put this. out online. Like, we would have heard. rumors about this from other sources. before this point. the way we heard. rumors about Toby and Andrew starting. around 12 months before No Way Home came. out. Also, would the Russo brothers. predicate their big twist in Avengers. Doomsday on everyone in the audience. knowing and liking Christopher Nolan's.

Oscar-winning film from 2023? I don't. know. There's also the detail that in. the close-up of his eyes in the shot in. the trailer, you can see a small mole by. the right eyelid. It's hard to see, but. Robert Downey Jr. does have a small. blemish on that same eyelid and other. bright close-ups of that side of his. face in Marvel movies and various press. photographs. Now, I'm not saying there. can't be more than one Dr. Doom in this. movie. I mean, maybe there could be two. played by Robert Downey Jr., for. example. Maybe they are hiding another. famous actor behind the mask in other. shots, but in this shot, it's definitely. Robert Downey Jr. under that mask, and.

it's Robert Downey Jr. in every shot of. Doom's eyes that we can see so far in. the footage. So then, why does Dr. Doom. wear different suits in this movie? Maybe he initially presents himself to. these heroes in an unarmored leverian. garb so as to not come off as. threatening. Like, maybe he has this. single clasp suit with no armor and. fewer rivets on the mask to present a. more diplomatic approach. But when he's. forced to reveal what he's really doing. and the Avengers start to attack him, he's going to have to switch to his. heavily armored form when he fights. Thor, which would include magical runes. imbued in that armor. And I think that. would better explain why Reed looks so. shocked and surprised by what his friend.

Victor is doing. >> Did you do this? >> ANSWER ME, VICTOR. DID YOU DO THIS? >> SO, you may have seen that Marvel. Studios released its official list of. essential titles to rewatch before. Avengers Doomsday. 15 titles. X-Men. 2000, X2 2003, Captain America First. Avenger 2011, Avengers 2012, Avengers. Infinity War 2018, Avengers Endgame. 2019, Loki season 1 in 2021, season 2 in. 2023, Shani in 2021, Spider-Man No Way. Home in 2021, Black Panther: Wakanda. forever from 2022, Captain America:

Brave New World from 2025, Deadpool and. Wolverine from 2024, Doctor Strange in. the Multiverse of Madness 2022, Thunderbolts 2025, and Fantastic 4 First. Steps 2025. Interestingly, not on that. list, Iron Man 2008, Captain America: Winter Soldier 2014, Avengers: Age of. Ultron 2015, Thor Love and Thunder 2022, Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantum Mania 2023, and the Marvel's 2023. All movies, characters, and at least themes that. will be represented in Avengers. Doomsday. This year, New Rockstars has. had our own Road to Doomsday Rewatch. podcast conversation series, and we're.

going to keep doing that for the next. few weeks because those desk. conversations are just too fun, and I. think many of you are really enjoying. them. But now, since recent weeks have. given us a clearer picture of what. exactly Avengers Doomsday will actually. be, we are going to help you guys with. an additional essential Doomsday. breakdown series. Every Friday for the. next few weeks, you're going to see on. this channel heavily researched and. highly focused Easter egg analyses of. select MCU films that we now consider to. be essential for Doomsday. It's going to. start this Friday, August 21st, with. Iron Man. Now, yes, Iron Man was not on.

Marvel's list, but I think re-examining. how Robert Downey Jr. started this. journey will be essential context. Friday's video will include new insights. about Downy's transformation from Tony. Stark to Dr. Doom that we have learned. in the past month and the definitive. deep dive that I did on Iron Man on the. deep dive channel 3 years ago. I'm just. going to bring that home to the New. Rockstars channel where more of our. viewers are. And all of the Friday. videos we do in the series will be part. of our new essential Doomsday breakdown. playlist where we will also be posting. the definitive reanalyses that we. published in the last 2 years that found.

new Easter eggs in these essential past. Marvel films like our 2024 analyses of. X-Men and X2. You can really think of. this as a companion series to our. looser, more conversational Saturday. Road to Doomsday podcasts. That's just. kind of a rewatch podcast where we can. have conversations and revisit the. legacy and box office of these films. Whereas these new videos we're doing are. just kind of the classic focused Easter. egg breakdowns that you probably. subscribe to this channel for. Don't. worry, this isn't going to stop new rock. stars from covering Lanterns every week. or movies like Resident Evil or Street.

Fighter when they come out or horror. films on Saturday starting in September. going through October. We're going to. cover everything that we normally cover. This is just something that you guys. have specifically asked us for and I. think it'll be really fun to revisit. them. Comment down below with your. thoughts. And a special thanks to one of. our NR Underground subscribers, Rick. Denman, for supporting us at the. executive producer level. You can get. all of our exclusive bonus content by. clicking the link in the description. below or going to nrunn.supcast.com. Our recent Monday mailbag episode. included this little insight into how I. feel trying to be a YouTuber of a. channel this size. And suddenly.

everything changed because previously I. like the people who I was interacting. with on YouTube and like in the comments. and on Twitter and other places were. people who like knew who I was and knew. what our journey was. But now with our. coverage of things like Wision and now. that like uh like and the Loki series. and these other the big Disney Plus. Marvel Studios streaming shows, we had a. a wave of new viewers who were only now. discovering who New Rockstars was and. didn't have that kind of journey they.

went on with us. They were they were. kind of new people to the neighborhood. and they didn't see a channel that they. had been following since, you know, they. were like 750K subs to now. They just. saw a channel with a big two in front of. their subscriber numbers and they're. like, "Oh, this is a two million view. channel. This is a huge channel. I am. going to view them as like an IGNsized. news outlet." When really we were a very. small scrappy team uh who had just been. doing this for a while. So now what I.

realized is that I went from um every. once in a while people recognizing me. when I was out and about um and having. like my my DMs have people sending me. theories and people tagging me on. Twitter um asking me about theories or. commenting on things that they saw in. videos I made to now my mentions I was. getting tagged in conversations that. were about me that were not intended for. me to see at the beginning of that.

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