World Leading Psychologist: How to Manifest Anything & Create the Life You Want
Today on the Mel Robbins podcast, how to. manifest anything and unlock the power. of your mind to create the life you. deserve with worldleading psychologist. Dr. Cassandra Vitton. Okay, before we jump into this. extraordinary episode, my team was. showing me something. They brought up a. lot of emotion. 58% of you who watch the. Mel Robbins podcast here on YouTube are. not subscribers. It would make me feel.
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the Mel Robbins podcast. >> Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. >> I am thrilled that you're here. The. subject of your research is so. fascinating. And what I want to start. with is what could change about my life. if I take everything to heart that. you're about to teach us about the power. of our imagination, visualization, manifestation, consciousness. If I apply. everything you're about to teach me, what could change? >> Well, I mean, I think it's a couple.
things. One is that you become the. author of your life. You become the. person who creates the world that you. want to live in. And the second is. sometimes you'll hear the phrase the. magic is gone from a relationship or. from a job or something. I really. believe in imagination's power to bring. the magic back into your life. And I. don't mean magic in a fake sense. I mean. the vitality, the awe, the wonder, the. mystery, the beauty, just the fun parts.
of life, the spices that make life so. interesting and bring back that. curiosity. I love that. I want to put a. giant highlighter on what you just said. The power of your imagination. to bring magic back into your life. >> Yeah. Is that possible? >> Absolutely. Absolutely. I work with. hundreds and hundreds of people every. year who feel like as you grow up, you. become 9, 10, 11 years old and people.
say, "Okay, time to stop imagining. Time. to get real." You know, that's. imaginary. That's not that doesn't. really happen. None of that actually. happens. And so, you're trained over. time to become this very serious, logical, rational, reasonable type of. person. And what happens unfortunately. is that it's almost like the pendulum. swings too far in that direction and you. lose that sense of awe and wonder and. mystery and even like noticing. synchronicities that happen or noticing.
things that are amazing. You're sort of. like up filter that out just stay. focused. When those are the things that. people actually when they look back at. their lives they remember those moments. as some of the most important things. that happened to them. I would love to. have you speak to the person who's. listening right now who feels like. they're just reacting to life because. 70%. of the millions of people that listen to. this show every single week responded to.
a survey that we just put out saying, "I. feel like I'm reacting. I'm not really. living my life. I'm not creating. anything." Dr. Ven based on your. research, what can they learn to do that. will help them switch out of that mode. of like, I'm just trying to survive. here. I didn't even realize creating. something different was possible. Yeah. I mean, first of all, it's not your. fault. Society and culture right now has. been set up in a way that is encouraging. us to be reactive. I call it the great.
flattening. I can't tell you how much of. my day I spend in front of a Zoom screen. or in front of a TV screen or in front. of my phone screen. So, a lot of people. are waking up in the morning and all the. way until the evening, all they're doing. is reacting to what comes at them. So, how does imagination help with this? Well, I like to think of life as sort of. like a tapestry. So, let's say you have. threads that are weaving into the. tapestry and these are the actual. constraints of your life. all of the. stuff that you have no control over.
It's your genetics. It's how what. networks you have, what opportunities. you have, etc. But then you've got the. part of life that you create and you. weave in and a lot of that is imagined. I mean, first of all, some of the. threads that come into your life that. you perceive as reality, you're actually. imagining. You think they're reality. The limit. >> example, what do you mean? Well, so how. about um the only thing that I can do to. be successful is work at a 40, 50, 60. hour a week job. That's what it is.
That's the deal. That's the only way. that anybody's ever successful. That's. not true. No. There are tons of. different people who do work in many, many, many different ways. So, some of. the limits that we think are hard and. fast are either individually imagined or. collectively imagined. And you can. decide, I want to imagine something. different. But even more important, there are real constraints. There is. reality. But throughout our day, when we. encounter our reality, I like to call it. Swiss cheese reality. And so, we see.
some things, we observe them, but there. are a lot of gaps. So, let's say I run. into a new person at my job and she. walks up and she's really well-dressed. and extremely well put together and I. look at her and immediately I'm. observing, but then I'm also imagining, oh, this is somebody who really has. their together or, you know, they. know what they're doing or they come. from a lot of privilege or they probably. think they're better than me or, you. know, I mean, I'm already off to the. races. I'm not even noticing that.
imagination. and I'm seeing that as. reality, but I'm weaving that in to what. reality really is. What could I do. instead? I could decide that the threads. of imagination that I weave into my. reality, I want them to be something. different. I want to imagine that. everybody's pretty much doing their. best. That most people are excited about. helping if they are asked for help. As I. was sitting here talk thinking about the. example about meeting a new colleague.
that's dressed to the nines. You don't. stop to consider that your opinion and. immediate impression of this person is. something you've imagined. >> You've imagined it. And it's a helpful. example because when you hear the word. imagination, I tend to think about. Disney or Avatar or these worlds that. don't exist. But you're challenging me and the person. who's here listening to consider that a.
lot of the opinions that you have about. yourself or the way that the world works. or who other people are or are not are. examples of things you've imagined and. you just live as though it's fact. Yeah. We are inherently storytellers and we. only have a little bit of the available. information at any given point in time. And so we can say to ourselves, I want. to retrain the way I tell a story about. my life. I don't want this to be my. story anymore.
Dr. Vitton, what are the specific. mindset tools that you're going to teach. us today that can help you stop reacting. to your life and start creating the life. that you want? Today I'm going to talk. about visualization, manifestation, and. imagination. how you can visualize, manifest, you know, do all of these. practices to help you be more skillful. about your imagination once you've. recognize the science and you know you.
have it and it's influential. And the. third is to tap into a territory of your. being that is not your usual way of. being that holds information and energy. for you that you cannot access any other. way. >> Oh my god, I love this. So let's just. jump right in. What is visualization? >> So for most people, visualization is one. of the easiest ways to access their. imagination. There's so much brain real. estate that's dedicated to vision that.
we can actually use that even when our. eyes are closed. And I want to expand. the definition of that to say it's not. always pictures in your mind. Sometimes. it's a feeling that you want to imagine. or it's a movement or. >> an environment. So when we talk about. visualization, let's think about it in. terms of where do I want to be? How does. it feel? Not only what does it look like. because there's a lot of people out. there who their visualization is kind of.
blocky, right? >> I always thought you had to picture it. in your mind. >> No. And that's so it's hard for people. because when I used to teach workshops. in the early days, I would make. everybody visualize and we'd always have. these four or five people who were like, I didn't see anything. And I had to. learn not everyone visualizes. Some. people are much better at storytelling. So let's say that your story of your. life is that you're a pinball in a. pinball machine and you get shot out of. that little tunnel every morning and.
then bam bam bam bam bam ching ting ting. ting ching and you don't get to decide. You just get blasted around all the. time. You might then say. I don't want my future to be the pinball. machine future. I want my future to be. the. hiking through the Alps woman. I engage. with everyone I encounter along the way. I have uphill battles, but when I do. that, I breathe deeply and I walk.
methodically. And then when I see a. beautiful view or a moment of joy, a. small little flower coming up from a. rock, I sit and spend time with that. that the walker becomes your new story. >> I think it's so helpful to know that you. could use the power of visualization by. writing a story versus closing your eyes. and trying to see the movie scene of it. I'll give another example because this. is something that I've been working on. for a long time which is I think for a.
very long time like a lot of people I. had a story it's all up to me. >> It's all up to me. >> All up to me. >> Like I like it always comes back to me. It's up to me. like there's, you know, if if I don't do it, nobody's doing it. Oh, you know, they didn't do it, so I. got to do it. And it's not empowering. And it just plays on repeat. And I have. been I didn't realize it was. visualization. I have been working on a. different story, which is I don't have. to do it alone, >> right? >> There's a lot of help. All I have to do.
is ask for help. There's a lot of people. that want to help. This is it is not all. up to me. >> Yeah. And it's not even skillful to have. it be all up to you. Like I was working. with a client the other day where we. were using the metaphor of an obstacle. course. And you know those military. obstacle courses where you're like. crawling underneath the ropes and then. you got to get over this gigantic wall. How do they get over that gigantic wall? >> Somebody else pushes you. >> That's right. Yeah. So you could say, "I. got to do it all myself." But you could. also be stuck at that wall for many,
many years because you simply will not. ask someone to give you the boost. I've never thought about visualization. as writing a different story. >> I've always thought I have to close my. eyes, criss-cross applesauce with my. feet, and try to see the movie. >> And it's very frustrating if you're in a. position in your life where you want. things to change, but you can't actually. see the movie of the change. But I do. think it's accessible and easy if you.
start with, okay, what about my current. story do I hate and I'm tired of? And if. it were just the opposite of that, what. would that look like? If I weren't a. pinball, if I didn't have to do it all. alone, what's the opposite story? And. then write that out. And here's a super. fun exercise because part of imagination. is also what we call thought. experiments. And that does kind of use the thinking. mind. So let's say that you are stuck in.
a situation that is really really. difficult. Whether it's a job or family. matter, whatever it is, write down 10 ways that you could make. it worse. You could make it worse. >> Write down 10 ways that you could make. the situation worse, that you could make. the situation worse. And the exercise is. after you write down the 10 ways, flip. it. What are the things that you what's. the opposite of the thing you wrote that. would make it worse? And it is.
fascinating because you come up with. answers that you wouldn't come up with. by just saying, "What should I do?" You. force yourself to be like, "Okay, let me. make this as bad as it could possibly. be. >> I could light the house on fire. That'd. be pretty bad. I could spend all my. money gambling. Well, that would make. this a lot worse.". >> And then you write the polar opposite. And when you look at that list of. opposites, you have a road map. >> Wow. And that's a form of visualization. >> Yeah, that's a po form of imagination. Yeah. >> So, is imagination the big category and.
visualization is a technique in it? >> That's right. That's right. >> Okay. A lot of people talk about. manifestation. >> and we also did an extraordinary episode. on the neuroscience of manifestation. with the late Dr. Jim Dodie. Yeah. Who I. know was a really good friend of yours. Um, how does that fit in. >> to your research around imagination? What we just talked about with. visualization? >> I love how Jim talks about. manifestation. And I believe he's.
absolutely right that it's not so much. about just picturing something I want in. the future and then magically having it. appear, but it is about visualizing. purposely, intentionally, what direction do I want to move in? M. >> where do I want to be in my life? How do. I want to show up? And the more we. visualize that, we write about it, we. draw it, we think about it, we. conjecture about it, we tell other. people about it, the realer and realer.
it becomes to our mind and to our brain. And what we're trying to do is get. everything in there rowing in the same. direction. Because a lot of times people. are moving into the future, they have. one foot on the gas and they have one. foot on the brake and they're like, why. am I not getting anywhere? And what's. that noise, right? And you don't even. know you have the one foot on the brake. So to keep that foot on the gas and to. lift to take the risk of lifting the. foot off the brake, you've got to keep.
telling your mind and your brain, this. is in fact where we're going. This is. going to happen. I am going to be okay. I'm not going to lose something. important by pursuing this dream or this. goal. And that's what people are often. scared of is if I pursue this dream, I. am going to lose something. I'm going to. be I'm I'm going to look foolish. I'm. going to betray my family who said the. only thing you should do is become an. accountant, a doctor or a lawyer. I'm so.
many things. And so also having a lot of. compassion for yourself about the things. that you are unconsciously imagining. might go wrong to hold that part of. yourself closely and to say look I know. you're scared but we are doing this. How. can I make you feel more comfortable. because it's non-negotiable. We are. going to manifest this thing that we're. working toward. But be aware there's. going to be a part of you that's like I. can't do that. You know how can you take. care of that part? What's helpful in the.
way you just described that is that. visualization feels like a very. accessible tactical tool. And as I was. listening to you, especially talking. about one foot on the gas and one foot. on the brake, so relatable, manifestation all of a sudden seemed. like this very necessary thing for you. to do for yourself every day in modern. life because there is so much external. noise. >> from the world, from friends, from.
family telling you who you should be, what you should be doing, where you. should be by now. And manifesting, at. least for me, I is a very intentional. daily practice for me to get clear about. who I am, what I want, how I want to. feel, and where I'm actually going. And. in a world that's constantly telling you. not to be the person that you really. feel internally you want to be, it's. vital because it's the only way that you.
tune into yourself and you can hear. yourself. Yeah, I mean there are two. main ways to shift perspective. One of. them is training. You repeat it to. yourself over and over and over again. And practice means the combination of. intention, setting an intention for what. you want and what you're doing. Attention, paying attention to it on. purpose every day. And repetition. And.
that's what retrains the brain. When you. have a clear vision of what you want to. do, where you want to go, what is trying. to come through you. >> and this is personal, not scientific. How many of us start to have. synchronicities and feelings that you're. getting signs from the universe and that. somehow the universe is conspiring to. help you? And sometimes, you know, I. kind of like to imagine that there's.
like a we got a live one over here in. sector 5. like they've got their vision, they're going for it. Everybody get over. there and try to help, right? Because. you are trying to do something and it I. I think it has to be something that is. serving humanity, that's serving the. planet, serving all beings. I I don't. think that this works when you're trying. to manifest something that's going to. harm others or that's going to cause. more fear or constriction or division or. hatred. What is the difference between. visualization versus a manifesting.
practice. of training your mind. >> to be in alignment with the things that. you want to attract or create in your. life? >> I think it's a dance between effort and. hard work and commitment and discipline. and affirmation and staying focused on. one hand. >> [snorts]. >> And this is going to sound like the. complete opposite. Surrender, letting. go, letting be, going with the river,
not trying to boil the ocean. All of. those phrases. And these two, even. though they seem counter to each other, when you go back and forth between them. and you navigate between them and you. use both, that is really the pathway. toward what we can call manifestation or. creating the life that you want. I I'm. kind of picking at this point because. there are so many people around the. world that are interested in having a. daily practice. And I am somebody that.
has a daily manifestation practice. And. I. specifically think about the things that. I want. I then pick up a pencil and I. write them down. I write down five. things every morning that I want to. create in my life. And then I read them. again and I sit in my body and think. about how I'm going to feel as I'm doing. the work to create those things. And. time and time again, that practice of.
intentionally organizing my thoughts and. mind from the mental to the physical of. writing it to the rehearsing of it to. the flooding my body with the feeling of. what is it going to feel like when X. happens? Yeah. >> What is it going to feel like when Y. happens? And then I close my eyes and I. think about all the little I see myself. doing. the annoying steps like a a simple.
example would be if you have on your. bucket list climbing Mount Kilamjaro or. running a half marathon. Yes, write it down. But then when I. close my eyes and think about it, I. think about the like boring 6 a.m. training run when it's raining, >> right? >> I think about huffing and puffing at the. bottom of the mountain and how heavy the. pack is and not enjoying it. >> And I see and feel myself in a future.
state as a person working toward this. thing. And what I believe is that when. you intentionally. take the time to identify the things. that you want and you go from mental to. physical and then you go and kind of. flood your body with feeling what the. future you is going to be doing on the. road there. something crazy happens in your brain.
and the filters in your mind and you see. patterns and you see connections and you. see the future differently. Yeah. >> And I don't believe it's woowoo at all. I think it's very hard science. >> Yeah. That's exactly what we're talking. about is and the only difference is I. would say you're using your imagination. to completely embody we call it embodied. imagination. You are embodying the. future you want to see. You're embodying. the goals. And I love how you said. you're also imagining the hard parts.
because so many people just imagine the. result. Embody in your imagination all the steps. it's going to take to get to where you. want to go. It's like the future's. already happened and you are reverse. engineering it through giving your brain. and your body the signals that this is. what we are up to now. And it takes that. level of work because the programming. and the conditioning that you have from. the previous parts of your life, so much.
of it, right? It's hardwired. So that. daily practice is you literally using. your imagination to retrain your brain. and get it to cooperate with you in. these activities that you're going to. pursue. >> I'll give you another example because I. think this is such a useful tool because. what you're also fighting against is. your own discouragement. Yeah. >> And your your excuses in fear. So, let's. just take the example of um. >> you're moving to a city and it's hard to.
find an apartment. >> and you're worried about not being able. to afford it. I did this actually when. we were looking for our first house. because we could not afford a house in. the town that we wanted to live in. because they had great public schools. And every night I would write down, we. are going to find an old house and we're. going to be shocked and it's going to be. beautiful and we're going to have to. paint it ourselves and you know it's. going to be a magical thing where we. find out through and. >> it took six months of doing that. And. sure enough,
we found a house that wasn't on the. market yet that had a lawn that had like. grass that was 27 in high and was. completely abandoned and locked up in a. battle between the people that were. still alive from the person who like it. was just on and on and on. >> But I think what it does is it doesn't. make the house magically appear, >> right? >> It makes you have more tenacity and. belief that something's possible. That's. right. I love that. Yeah. It reminds me.
of when I first moved to the Bay Area. for grad school. We couldn't afford to. buy anything in the Bay Area, even back. then. And so I imagined this little tiny. house and behind it was this ocean. And. I'm like, Cassie, how you going to get. an ocean view? You can't even afford, right? So we're looking everywhere. What. did we find? We found a 640 ft houseboat. floating on the ocean. That's what we. moved into. No way. Yeah. >> So, I was like, "Oh, okay. It wasn't the.
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very useful. This is a tool where you if. you can't do it inside yourself. initially, >> you can imagine someone who loves you. tremendously, like really has your best. interest at heart. This could be someone. who's alive. It could be someone who's. passed away. It could even be a. fictional figure. >> I'll volunteer. I'll be the fictional. person in your mind. Or well, I guess. I'm a real person, but I could be the. person. Absolutely. What would Mel tell. you? What would Mel tell you is.
possible? Yeah. So you are sitting there. and you explain your whole situation to. this person and ask them what do you see. is possible? What do you see as possible. for me? And you'll be surprised at what. you hear back from that person because. it's it just kind of tricks your mind. into getting out of the tyranny of your. critical judging mind and allowing this. person who's a million% behind you and. believes in you in your imagination to. tell you here's what I see. And you can.
recognize again as we were saying it's. not going to be harsh. It's not going to. be an argument. It's not going to be a. ton of questions and it'll probably be. something really short and pathy that. you'll hear from this person as well as. feeling the love and the the cheerleader. in that person like I'm 100% behind you. This is what your next step is. That's. one. >> What does manifesting. change about your life?
So when you decide that you are going to. pursue a dream. and that becomes the orienting principle. of your life, you become motivated in a. different way. You have access to energy. that is not coming from fear of. consequences. It's not coming from your. anxieties. It's not that you're being. Have you ever had that feeling where. you're just pushing so hard that you're. just running low on energy?
>> That was last week. But yes, >> well, yes, we have that, right? Even. when you're driven by purpose, even when. you're driven by vision, you can have. that. >> But there's overall a different sense of. motivation, energy, direction, momentum. When you have that, it's more about what. you're going toward than what you're. going away from. M. >> whenever you're trying to get away from. something, there's kind of a mad dash. and a scramble and it's all defined by. what you don't want. When it starts to. become defined by where you're going and.
what you do want, then there's this. sense of walking into the future with. energy and with commitment. I like to. say Martin Luther King Jr. did not say, "We have a problem." He said, "I have a. dream." And he invited people into that. dream. and more quickly than anyone. thought at least most a lot of that. dream has been realized. There's still a. long way to go. That's what motivates. people is imagining a future that's.
different. And I think this is very. important for those of you who are. listening. when you criticize yourself, when you. punish yourself, when you focus on what. is not working and how you need to do it. better and the weight you need to lose. and that, you know, all the stuff, I would spend about 10 to 15% of your. time accurately seeing what are the. issues, what are the problems, and then. the rest of your time on what are. potential solutions, and what is my.
vision for the future should those. solutions come to pass. What will it feel like? What will it. look like? Where will I be? What colors. will be around me? Who what kind of. people will be around me? What language. will I be using toward myself or toward. other people? How much further could I. go with just that one change that just. gave me a visual? Speaking of. imagination, cuz in periods in my life.
where I have been in utter survival. mode, don't even know how I got through the. day. Young kids can't pay the bills. So. many of us have been there. >> It's like you're treading water in the. middle of an ocean with no land in. sight. >> Yeah. >> And that's why it feels like you can. just keep your head above water and. that's all you can do. And these tools. have really helped me because what. they've done is by using tools like your.
imagination, visualizing a future state, starting to manifest and intentionally. program your mind for where you want to. go. It's almost like a lighthouse in the. distance appears. And now even though. you're still just barely able to keep. your head above water, you now have a. direction to move toward. >> Yeah, >> 100%. Yeah, absolutely. And for me, sometimes it goes back to story. So, I'm.
drowning. I'm exhausted. I can barely. get through this. One story is to say, I I can see myself. drowning. The other is I'm on mile 19 of. a 26 mile marathon that I volunteered. for and I am going towards the finish. line. But mile 19 sucks, right? It's. painful. It's hard, but I am the runner. who's doing this. What do I need?
Sometimes I need my pit crew to hand me. some water along the way. You know, all. of that stuff. Another is, you know, even when you are facing something that. is so difficult, so hard, so even. shameful that you feel like you have to. keep it a secret, [snorts] one of the. things that I'll work with people on is. imagine that there are 1,000 women in a. semicircle behind you and they have all. faced the same thing. I have a kid in. trouble. I lost someone.
you know that you have an entire group. of people throughout history who have. faced the same thing and now they are. walking behind you and helping you make. your way through it. So yes going. towards the vision going towards. manifesting the future and also using. these other metaphors to help you. navigate towards it. >> What's the difference between. manifestation and magical thinking?
>> Yeah. So, magical thinking often has to. do with the stuff that I want other. people to do or the stuff that I want to. have. It has to do with things I don't. have any control over. I just want these. things to appear in my life. [snorts]. And manifestation, as I understand it, is more about how do I want to show up? How do I want to be as I move into the. future? I want to be honest. I want to. be supportive. I want to be empowering.
of other people. I want to lift other. people up with me. I want to be genuine. I want to be authentic. I want to set. boundaries. I want to have a different. energy level. Those are things that I. can actually do. And so manifestation, I. think the best use of it is to picture. who and how you want to be and what. results that might have. Because a lot. of times when we think about things we.
want in the future, it's because we. think they're going to give us a sense. of freedom or vitality or love or. connection or worthwhileness. and they may. And it's good to move. towards those. But the other thing you. can do is flip it and say, "What could I. do today to give myself a sense of those. things that I think the future thing are. going to bring me? >> What freedom can I bring into my life. today? What vitality? What are the. things that I could do right now that. would bring me what I think that future.
thing is going to give me? >> What's a daily practice or routine the. person who's listening right now can. start to put all this into their life. >> So one thing yeah when I wake up in the. morning I do my meditation practice and. then I take myself through my day. I. imagine it. I look into what am I going. to do? How am I going to get there? What. am I going to eat? What are the meetings. I'm going to have? Where am I going to. be sitting? So that's that simulation.
form of imagination of just walking. through the day and then how do I need. to be today? What do I want to bring to. that? And [snorts] then looking into. something in my past and when did I feel. what I want to bring in today. So if I. want to bring balance into today or. emotion regulation or I want to bring a. warrior spirit and some firm boundaries. or I want to bring compassion and. empathy when did I last feel that way.
embody that completely and then move. into your day with that quality. Dr. Ven I want to take a step back. because all the things that you've been. teaching us about visualization and. manifestation. fall under the larger umbrella of your. research around the science of. imagination. So can you explain what. exactly is imagination? Imagination is the way that we simulate, reconfigure and transcend reality.
sometimes [snorts] through visualization. and oftentimes through other forms of. imagination. What are those words mean? What do you. mean it's simulate, reconfigure and. transcend reality? >> Okay, so simulate is when I think about. something in my mind, I bring it into my. my mind's eye. Let's talk about let's. just think about your house right now. [snorts]. Imagining your house when you open the.
door, when you walk into it, what rooms. are in it? Where's the kitchen? What do. you love about it? What do you still. want to fix about it? What's in the. yard? That's simulation imagination. You. are like a copy machine. You're just. trying to copy what things are like so. that you can game things out. What am I. going to make for dinner tonight? What. am I going to say to my kid tonight? That is very important. Like us being. able to simulate reality. And you and I. are sitting here right now. As far as we. know, there's nothing outside of this.
room. We're imagining. We're simulating. all of it. And so it's very helpful to. simulate. >> I think a lot of us simulate negatively, >> right? >> We wake up, we think about the day. ahead, we start bracing, we start. thinking about what's going to go wrong. or the thing we're dreading. And you're. saying that you can first start training. yourself to simulate having a good day. or showing up a certain way. >> Right. >> And then the second thing you said was. reconfigure. Now what am I doing? >> Reconfigure. So now what you can do is. say, I know what it's probably going to.
be like, but I know I'm going to have. some hard meetings in the morning and I. know I'm going to have another tricky. situation in the afternoon that I have. to face. What would make me feel vital? You know what I'm going to do? I am. going to go out and get my favorite. sushi. I'm just gonna go out, get it, bring it back, sit with a cup of tea, eat the sushi, and know that that is me. taking care of myself. I need a little. bit of extra care today. So, you're.
adding something to the reality. You're. adding something to what you're. imagining. Another way of reconfiguring. goes a lot further than that, and it's. reconfiguring your story about [snorts]. who you are and how you want to be. >> The third part you said was. transcending. So transcending is the. most fun which is what can I do that's. completely outside of what I think is. possible. I have a client who went.
through the unimaginable, which is that. she lost her son to an overdose and this. was quite a long time ago and she has. suffered since then from extreme guilt. because [snorts] she also had an. addiction at the time and she's sure. that her addiction caused his addiction. and that his overdose was completely on. her shoulders. And so this was really really. entrenched. and she felt like punishing herself was.
the right thing to do. And so as we. worked together for a long time, we. started to change the story into we both. suffered from the disease of addiction. and it went far back in their family, totally genetic. [snorts] And we started. turning it into a story where our family. and my ancestors, it's almost like we. live in a village and every now and then. a dragon comes in and breathes fire and. lays waste to the land. We lose [snorts].
people. People die. It destroys things. But that has been happening in my family. for many, many generations. And the. dragon came while I was there with my. son and it got me and we lost him. And. so now what I do in my life instead of. punishing myself is I help other people. who are facing the unimaginable because. I've been through it and I can be by. their side while they go through it. [snorts]. Totally different story.
>> The dragon metaphor really really. helped. And so when we talk about. transcending reality, it's not always. about going into a complete la land. It's about finding a story that's big. enough to match what's actually. happening in your life and help you. transcend that and have it be different. for not not that the situation was. different, but the way you look at it is. different. >> Well, it's a super helpful image, especially for anybody who's trying to.
break generational patterns. >> Yeah. Um, why is the skill of. imagination. critical to creating a better life? >> Well, the only thing that has ever led. to inventions or breakthroughs or things. that have changed the world, both. individuals and in our society, like. cell phones or f uh electricity, >> going to the moon,
>> right? Going to the moon, right? Somebody somewhere said, "What if? What. if we could go to the moon? What if we. could talk to each other using a. machine?" There's a super cool story. about Alexander Graanbell and the. inventor of the telephone. And so he. actually had this experience where he. somehow knew his sister was in trouble. And this is before the phone. This is. before this is like, you know, mail was. on the Pony Express, right? He just had. a sense something's wrong with my.
sister. Something's not okay. And he did. find out through letter like three weeks. later she had had a carriage accident. And he said, you know, I wish we had a. machine that would let us communicate. with each other. And [snorts] he just. dedicated his life to making that. machine. And so that's a big one, right? that in your own life there are things. that you could create or invent. solutions that you could come to that. again can only begin in your.
imagination. Imagination is like the. workspace in your mind where you can. simulate, reconfigure, go beyond current. reality and say, "Hey, there's probably. a different way to do this. I want to. find out what it is.". >> Is everybody capable of imagining? >> 100%. So, when people say, "I'm not very. imaginative," or worse, they're told, "You're not very original. You're not. very imaginative." Usually what people.
mean is you don't know how to visualize. things in great detail. You can't seem. to visualize things that are different. in great detail. The good news is there. is a neurodeiversity of imagination. where each of us has our own particular. unique brand of imagination like a. fingerprint. We each have our own. profile. So you may not know that you. are actually less of a visual imaginer. and more of a social emotional imaginer.
Those kinds of imaginers might not have. very vivid images, but they sure can. tell you how someone feels. They can. tell you how someone across from them. might be feeling or thinking or if I do. this behavior, this is how it's going to. come across to that other person or this. is the response you might get if you do. that. They're just really good at that. Then there's other senses besides vision. like even smell imagination and. gustatory imagination. You know, chefs.
are really good at imagining what. something might taste like, and it's. part of how they imagine their new. concoctions that they make. So, what I. want people to know, too, is all these. imagination profiles are strengths. We. need every type of imaginer. We need the. fantastical, visual, vivid imaginer, but. we also need that practical imaginer who. knows exactly how things will fit. When. we first got you to agree to come on the. show and I started digging into your.
book and your work, I immediately. thought of this quote in Trevor Noah, who I love, his number one New York Time. bestseller, Born a Crime. And I want to. read to you from Noah's book. It's on. page 73. where he's talking about imagination. We tell people to follow their dreams, but you can only dream of what you can. imagine. And depending upon where you.
came from, your imagination can be quite. limited. Growing up in Suetto, our dream. was to put another room on our house, maybe have a driveway, maybe someday a. cast iron gate at the end of the. driveway because that is all we knew. But the highest rung of what's possible. is far beyond the world you can see. I. think intellectually. we know that. But if you're in a moment.
in your life where you feel very stuck. >> and you feel that there's a lot of. evidence that this is all that there is. and that this is what your life is and. what it's always going to feel like. Uh. Dr. Eden, what do you want to say to the. person who really believes that the. highest rung of what's possible in your. life is where you are. When we feel. stuck, it's often accompanied by the.
feeling of I don't know what to do. I. don't know what's next. I don't I got. nothing. [snorts] And the linear logical. ego mind really hates that. does not. like it. But there's another part of us. that when we are in a place of I don't. know, I have no idea what to do. [snorts]. Imagination does like that. And so. you've probably seen the book by Pemma,
uncomfortable with uncertainty. And I had a teacher that was very. important to me, Angela Arian, who would. say, "Spend more time in the land of I. don't know.". >> But I don't want to be in that land. because I don't like feeling like I. don't know. Right. So spend some time. there. >> But also I teach a workshop called the. next you and we take people to meet. their future selves. >> How do you do that? >> Right. So first what you do is get. yourself into a state whether it's. through meditation or listening to music.
or being in nature where you're really. openminded and kind of let go of some of. the you know busyiness and all that. stuff. So you might do some breathing. for 5 or 10 minutes and then what we. want you to do is. 5 years, 10 years, 15 years into the. future, imagine that you are at your. front door and you are about to meet the. future you that has already embodied a.
lot of the qualities and goals and. accomplishments that you hope to do. Now, I wouldn't get too locked down on. exactly what it is because if you put an. overlay on it ahead of time, you're. going to be kind of controlling it too. much. >> Okay? >> So, instead of saying, "Well, she's got. a mansion and she has a Jaguar," you. just say, "This is someone who feels the. way that I think the mansion and jaguar. would give me. This is someone who feels. free. They have a lot of spare time.
They feel balanced. They feel vital. They feel healthy. they have positive. relationships. Whatever your goals are, right? Whatever. your goals for how you want to be are, open the door, see your future self, and then you can. ask them some questions. What is the one. thing more than any other thing that you. did to get to get you to where you are. today? >> And you'll be surprised at what they. answer. You know, they'll give you some.
direction. The great thing is you don't. have to do this once. You can actually. have that future self be your ally, your. best friend, your golf caddy, you know, sort of like, hey, I wouldn't do that. That's going to get you into a sand. trap. Like they can become a coach for. you as you move into your future. >> It can become a sort of a true north on. the compass and it can help you make. decisions now like is this taking me. closer to my future self or further away. from my future self?
>> And people might think that sounds. I don't know, you know, frufu or woo woo. or something like that, right? But we. know from the science that when people. imagine their futures, they act. differently, they show up differently, they make different decisions. And so. there's very interesting data showing. like college students and they they have. them meet their future self and they. actually take a photo of them and they. age the photo and so [clears throat].
they see themselves what they might look. like when they're older and then they. ask them you know do you want to start a. savings account for the future and the. kids who saw their future selves want to. save more money for the future. What's. happening in your brain when you are. using the skill of imagination to. visualize a whole different reality? The most important thing about what's. happening in the brain when you are. imagining is that the brain.
differentiates much less than you might. think between something that actually. happens and something you imagine. So. when you imagine seeing something, your. visual cortex lights up. When you. imagine hearing something, your auditory. cortex lights up. When you imagine. moving, your motor cortex lights up. >> And so when you imagine something, you. are actually giving your brain the. signal that in a way it's happened. The. great tennis player Billy Jean King said.
before she went to sleep, she would just. imagine the ball coming at her and every. single angle and how she would hit it. And so what we know from research is. that athletes who imagine. practicing basketball game, soccer game, they have better performance than. athletes who don't imagine. And so when. you add imagination to your rehearsal. for life, you're giving your brain the. signal, I'm still training. Even though.
I'm just sitting here next to my window. drinking my tea in my pajamas, I'm still. practicing in my imagination. And so. those parts of your brain are lighting. up. The other things that are happening. in your brain is if you imagine. something that is very scary or. threatening or what might go wrong or. the worst, you're releasing cortisol. You're the same way you would if it. happened. >> Not quite the same, right? A it it. approaches it. But if you're imagining. the worst all day every day, you are.
giving your brain the signal that those. things are happening. There's this great quote that I think. comes initially from Senica, but it's. attributed to Mark Twain, and it's like, I've experienced many terrible things, most of which have never happened. And so, even though they haven't. happened, you're still giving your body. the same stress signals. as if they did happen. Let's apply this. So, let's say that uh the person. listening is uh bracing all day long.
because they think they're going to get. laid off or they're bracing because. they're worried that they're going to. never meet somebody and fall in love. again, >> right? >> And so, they're imagining a future. state, right? Because if you are driving. to your job today, you still have it. And so I take it if you have trained. yourself to be somebody that worries. what if this what if that this is going.
to go wrong. What if this person thinks. that? That's evidence that you could. train yourself to imagine in the. positive. >> That's right. >> And what changes about your life when. you get very serious about training. yourself to imagine in the positive? >> Well, I mean my personal experience is. that I have experienced maladaptive. imagination. There was a time in my life. where I had everything I wanted. I had a. beautiful place to live. I had an. incredible job. I mean, absolutely. incredible. There was a lot of pressure.
and I did go through a divorce. And so. when the stress increased a lot, I. started drinking very heavily. And at. that point, I started to tell myself, it's going to be okay as long as you. don't ever tell anyone. >> about this. Now, let me stop because. that it's going to be okay if you don't. tell anybody. You imagined that. Is that. what you're saying? Story I told myself. I can do this as long as I don't tell. anyone. So, it's getting worse and worse.
and worse. It's having more and more. consequences. And still, my story is if. you tell anybody about this, if you ask. for help, you are going to get a. [snorts] black mark on your record. forever. like people are going to think. you are the worst that you have, you. know, completely lost your mind. You're. untrustworthy. You're damaged. So, it. goes on and on and on. It gets very bad. Finally, [snorts] out of desperation, I. call one of my colleagues and say, "Hey, uh, I can't stop drinking." And he says,
"I'll be right over." I said, "You know, look, I know I can't take any time off. work. There's way too much. responsibility." He said, "Oh, no. You're already off now for the next 60. days. You go take care of yourself. We. got it. We are all behind you. Come. back. Well, did I imagine that would. happen? Never in a million years. And so. these diseases of despair is what my. colleague Lisa Miller at Columbia. University talks about where you begin. to despair.
addiction, depression, anxiety. Your. mind starts telling you stories that are. not true, but you start believing them. anyway. And it's very hard to get. yourself to tell a different story, but. it's partly because you don't know. you're telling yourself a story. You. just think it's real. And so, there's a. colleague of mine who's at the Arizona. uh State University. He's at the Center. for the Science of the Imagination. >> And he's doing something called the VIP. project, the Veterans Imagination. Project. His name is Bob Beard.
>> And what he does is veterans come in. And these are folks who have faced. severe combat trauma. They've had PTSD. They've had, you know, brain. consequences because of what they've. experienced. And so they're feeling. like, I don't know if there's anything. for me after all that. He sits them. down. He has them imagine their futures. And then he pairs an artist with them. who sketches it all out for them in this. very detailed painting or, you know, drawing. And after they go through this,
they're like, I have hope. I have. vision. I have a compass. I have a true. north. I have a direction. And that is. the best gift you can give to anyone. You know, it reminds me of a passage in. your blockbuster bestseller, Imagine. That. It's in the introduction, and I want to read to you from your book. and have you dig a little deeper into.
the power of imagination. You say that your primary goal with your. work, Dr. Viten, is to help people. re-enchant their lives, to re-enliven. their world, spark new hope, and reveal. new possibilities through the science. and practice of imagination. To help you. escape the confines of your current. reality tunnel and envision hopeful. futures while experiencing more awe, wonder, and the ability to chart a new.
course for yourself and society. Because. the antidote to despair isn't just hope. It's the skill to generate hope. So the. first thing I wanted to ask you after. reading that is what is a reality tunnel. and how do I know I'm in one? >> Right. Right. So this is a concept that. came up in the 60s and this was when. consciousness was starting to explode. and people were doing psychedelics and.
this was like Timothy Liry and his. colleagues were like hey man you're. stuck in a reality tunnel. So it sounds. kind of like dude right but it's true. like we are actually stuck in a reality. tunnel and all of us have our own. reality tunnel. What we think is real. what we think is possible what we think. is impossible. And part of our job is to. break free from these limited ideas. about reality, open up our aperture and. say, you know, if I'm stuck in a.
relationship and I'm like, should I. stay? Should I go? Should I stay? Should. I go? Should I stay? Or a job. Let's say. it's only two choices. Stay or go. The. truth is there's probably 10, 15, 20, 25. possible choices that you could make to. break out of that tennis match inside of. your mind. And I see people who have. been in this tennis match for decades, for years, for months. And so one of the. practices they can try is to sit down. and write 50 possibilities. And don't.
make them practical necessarily. Some of. them can be practical, but some of them. can be completely impractical, like I'm. going to open a cozy bookshop in. Scotland. I'm out of here. Or I'm going. to join the circus. Like whatever it is, right? Just don't edit. Write them all. down. And what happens then is that when. you start to look at all 50, you might. notice every single one of them had an. element of travel in it. Why? Why is. that? I guess I I want to travel. >> or I want to escape this person in this.
relationship. So traveling means I'm. somewhere else. >> Yeah. But let's say so maybe you do, right? Maybe you say, "Hey, you know. what? I'm out of here." Or maybe you. say, "I don't want to be out of here. I. want to work on this. I got three kids. I'm not leaving. But you know what I'm. going to do? I'm gonna travel for a. month every year. >> I'm gonna go with my girlfriends and. that is going to change my life. That's. practical. That's possible for some. people, right? Maybe it's a week. Maybe. you just say, "I'm not taking a vacation. with my family. I'm taking a vacation. with my girlfriends." There are small.
things that are real that can come out. of those big crazy 50 possibilities that. you didn't notice before. Well, going. back to the very beginning where we. talked about the fact that 70% of the. people who listen to the show around the. world feel like they're reacting to. life. What I love about what you're. teaching us is so many of us are looking. outside of ourselves for the signals. when transformation is an inside. activity, right? And these tools help. you turn inward and go deeper inward.
into your subconscious, into your. spirit, into your heart, into the things. that you can't explain and tap into. those signals for guidance rather than. constantly looking outside yourself for. them. You are one of the most cited. researchers alive on the conscious mind. What is consciousness? Consciousness. is what you experience, what you.
believe, what you intend, your. intuition, your inner life. It's, you. know, at the very basic level just. everything you're aware of. But then. there's sort of a bigger C consciousness. where it's what you don't even know that. you're assuming, believing, intending. And so one of the things about becoming. more conscious is to start to pay. attention to what are all of my beliefs, what are my values, what are my. commitments, what's inside of me, how do.
I bring my consciousness into the world. every day. And so I had uh I worked at. the Institute of Noetic Sciences for. about 18 years and this was founded by. Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell who. was the sixth man to walk on the moon. And when he was on his way back to Earth. from space, he's viewing the earth and. the stars and the sun and the moon and. he had this epiphany where he recognized.
that my consciousness isn't just mine, but I'm actually connected to the. molecules that make up my body are the. same as the ones in the stars and in the. space capsule and the sun and the earth. And there's this deeper sense of. interconnectedness. So there is an outer world and we all. know what that is. This table, the. lights, the walls, things that are real. Then there's an inner world. >> and that inner world is also real. It's.
our experience. It's what we perceive. It's what we believe. It's what we. intend. It's our whole worldview. How do. we view things? And that consciousness. affects our bodies and our brains, our. hormones, our neurotransmitters, the way. our brain is built, the way we behave in. the world. What does it mean though to. become more conscious in your everyday. life?
>> Becoming more conscious in your everyday. life means that you are not automatic as. much. You are working as you move. through your life with intention, with. attention. You are instead of just being kind of a. pinball in a pinball machine, deciding. that I want to bring a certain intention. to this meeting that I'm about to have, >> I want to bring in. a direction that we can go together and.
I want to elicit this from other people. How do you tap into the unconscious. mind? >> Well, it's interesting. When I started. to do a lot of work on imagination, I. went out to the desert in Enza Barago. and it's this gorgeous desert landscape. and hiked to this top of this mountain. And at that point, I had this 360°ree. view of everything. And I asked what I. guess I would call the spirits, but. let's just call it the universe or other. people might call it something.
different. It's like what does the world. need to know about imagination? And the. answer was immediate. It was tell them. it's the place where we can most easily. talk to them. And I love that because I feel like. there is an inner wisdom, a deep inner. wisdom that each one of us holds that's. not accessible by typical linear logical. thinking. It's accessible through. imagination.
And as we practice imagination more. purposefully, as we create the. conditions in our lives where. imagination is more welcome to. spontaneously arise, we start to get. messages from that deeper inner self. that are meaningful, that are. influential, that are outside the box, and that allow us to make fundamental. shifts in the way that we view the world. and therefore in the way we show up in.
the world and that changes everything. >> All right. So, do you have a way that. you could show me what experiencing this. is like? >> Yeah. So, actually we have created a. number of virtual reality experiences. for people especially. It's great for. people who don't have a ton of. visualization ability to have this. training wheels of this. But the other. thing that's great about VR is it can. allow you to go to places that you. couldn't ever go in this world. Virtual. reality is a way that we can help people.
with their imaginations. So, I could. have taken you on a guided visualization. and said, "Imagine that you're lifting. off from the moon. Now, imagine that. you're coming closer to the Earth.". >> But putting you in there really gives. you a little bit of the sense of what it. might be like out there. M. >> and so in this particular experiment. what we're looking at is when people. have that experience of coming back to. the earth slowly like an astronaut who. describes the overview effect meaning. that once they see the earth from space.
and they see there are no boundaries. between countries that it's so small in. a sea of blackness they often come back. to earth feeling like the only thing. they want to do is help maintain and. make the earth sustainable and help. other people on the planet. it and they. lose that sense of separation because. it's so small. We're all one family. >> And so we're trying to give people a. little echo of that overview effect. >> Well, I'll tell you, it's a very. interesting uh experience because. there's no way that you can feel like.
you're out in space looking back down on. the earth and not understand that you. are just a visitor. M. >> that in terms of the timeline of. humanity, >> you're here for a blink of an eye. >> Yeah. >> And that a lot of the things that you're. struggling with right now are not unique. to you. >> That as you said, you don't see the. borders between countries. You just see. this massive beautiful planet.
>> and you feel simultaneously. tiny and limitless at the same time. >> How can you apply this experience to. your daily life? >> Yeah. Well, I think for people who are. living in their daily lives, one of the. things they can do is absolutely pull. back and gain a bigger perspective. So, one of the VR experiences that we're. producing right now is you all know. about the train of thought. >> One thought after another, just chugging.
along, taking you to Chicago when you. didn't even mean to go there. And so, people who feel overwhelmed by. rumination or by those kinds of. thoughts, what we'll have them do is put. their thoughts on the train. >> and it'll be right up next to them, like. going by very, very loud, you know, kind. of like our thoughts are. And then we'll. have them pull back and pull back and. pull back until the train is just like a. little tiny toy train in the distance. and they're looking at this grand vista,
the Grand Canyon, or you know, some huge. mountain range and realize that that. train of thought, even though it's kind. of like the CNN announcer in your mind, it shouldn't really be taking up as much. space as it is, it could be that your. thinking patterns could be just kind of. like a radio playing in the background. or a train off in the distance like, "Yeah, my thoughts are important, but. how about if I was just right here, right now, sitting in the studio with. Mel. >> Do I also want this massive narration.
that often tends towards the negative to. be there?" Not really. I don't want to. lose it. I just don't want it to be. dominating every moment of my life. So, that perspective is what we're trying to. train. Well, one of the amazing things. that you've done for us today is you've. taught us how to use the innate skill. that we have of imagination, visualization, manifestation. to see a world that we want to live in.
and to see a future that we want to. create. For somebody that's feeling very. discouraged because the news is. horrendous, people are really, really. struggling. Maybe you're in a moment in. your life where you do feel like things. are falling apart. Why is that a moment. that it's more important than ever to. tap into the power and the science of. your imagination. to imagine a better future? Why does.
this matter right now more than ever? >> I mean, there's not much you can do. about the external pressures or the way. that so many things seem to be going. kind of insane. But what you can do is shift the way. that you choose to navigate the moment. in time that we are all in. And that. requires your imagination. How do I want. to. show up in the world? Imagination can be. framed as an act of resistance.
Your imagination is something that no. one can ever take away from you. The. story of Victor Frankle, for example, the Holocaust. He's in a concentration. camp. The only thing he has left is he. imagines himself in the future teaching. a classroom of students. They could not. take that away from him. And indeed, after surviving, that is where he ended. up. That was what he could hang on to.
And so I would tell people who feel. despair, who feel a loss of hope, what. can you imagine that you can put in your. home, in your environment that would. make you feel like there is still hope, that there is still. uh contributions that you can make and. then what might that be? Cuz I know a. lot of us are just feeling helpless. And. there's almost nothing worse than. feeling helpless when you see people you. love in trouble or in pain. What is your.
contribution small or large? One thing I. want to say about imagination is that it. doesn't follow the same rules as the. logical linear mind. It doesn't care a. lot about time moving forward. You can. go back in time in your imagination and. do some healing work with your younger. selves. You can go forward in time. It. doesn't care a lot about distance or. space. I can imagine being with somebody. that I'm distant from. So in the world.
of imagination, use the different rules. Don't worry about time. Don't worry. about space. Don't worry about scale. What are you here to do? And just taking. those small actions, even just imagining. is your act of resistance. >> Dr. Ven, what are your parting words? I. just want everyone at home to know that. you have something inside of yourself. that is available to you. It's free.
When I introduce people to their. imaginations, sometimes it's like I. point out a small door in their house. that they didn't know was there and open. it and all of a sudden there's a giant. new wing. And that wing of your house, your imagination, offers you information and energy that. it's not frivolous. It's not just for. kids. is not just for artists. It is for. you and you may as well notice it. because you are using it all day every. day. Use it more frequently. Use it.
purposefully and also take the time to. spend a little bit more time every day. in this territory of imagination and it. will bring more magic back into your. life. >> Well, Dr. Reeden, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the work that you do. Thank you for flying here and taking the. time to teach us and to explain how. specifically we can use these tools to. bring more magic back in our lives. And. I certainly feel it. And I know the.
person who's with us feels it, too. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. And thank you. Thank you. for making the time to listen to. something that will help you access this. skill inside of you. You deserve a. better future. And using these tools, you can first start to visualize it and. experience it. And that's going to help. you actually create it. All right. In. case nobody else tells you, I also. wanted to be sure to tell you as your. friend that I love you and I believe in. you and I believe in your ability to.
create a better life. And maybe, just. maybe, if you start visualizing the life. that you want and you start allowing. yourself to feel what it's going to feel. like now, that's the first step to you. being able to create it. I actually. believe it is. All righty. I'll see you. in the next episode. I'm going to. welcome you in the moment [music] you. hit play. Thank you for watching all the. way to the end here on YouTube. And if. you're asking yourself, "Okay, what. should I watch next?" You're going to. love this video. And I'll welcome you in. the moment [music] you hit play.
