Reaction to BOMBSHELL January 6 Hearings Day 3

welcome to the midas touch podcast. january 6th committee edition ben brett. and i don't know where jordy is right. now maybe he will grace us with his. presence in a bit but this episode will. focus exclusively on the bombshells. revealed on day three of the january 6th. hearings brett there were so many. moments today that were consequential.

and what i would say was. it really built as the hearing went. through from the beginning towards the. end to kind of reach this crescendo. moment where it almost reminded me of. you know some of those m night shyamalan. movies where you're kind of sitting. there and then you're like okay. okay. okay holy [ __ ] and then that's how it. all kind of built now i don't know if. the committee fully intended it to be.

that that way but that's definitely how. it developed and what i mean by that the. two witnesses today who were called were. greg jacob who won greg jacobs was the. council the top council to vice. president pence during january 6th and. leading up to it basically the top. lawyer he's in private practice now and. so he was the top legal adviser in the. trump administration giving advice to. the vice president about what the law. was and what the vice president could do.

and then the other witness that you had. was judge michael luddig who was a. former fourth circuit court of appeal. judge so he's now retired i'll talk a. little bit about judge luddick but he. was someone who the trump team and the. pence team consulted about whether it. was lawful for them to try to have pence. overthrow the will of the people and. just like uh jacob uh ludwig said. absolutely not there was no historical.

precedent or legal precedent at all that. would provide for any way for the vice. president to us to usurp the power to. assert this like plenary executive power. to as the vice president to just decide. who gets to win elections and also based. on common sense but i thought it started. off a little slow but as the videos were. played as the testimony grew as we. started to learn what happened on the. fourth the fifth and the sixth and the. committee did a great timeline of what.

happened and we'll take you through it. on this podcast i thought that this of. all of the hearings so far made you say. oh my god how is john eastman not it. locked up right now how is trump not. locked up right now and all that and. again one more point before i throw it. to you brett again. we've now seen not one witness. not one witness who is a democrat i mean. i don't know from the first hearing if.

the police officer or the capitol police. officer or the filmmaker were democrats. they were not kind of non-partisan but. they were even i don't think they were. either um but the hearing number two. featured all republicans all. conservative republicans on the last one. and now here too we have you know a. conservative judge who's one of the top. conservative thinkers and a conservative. lawyer but actual real conservatives. brett not this naga culti fascist strain. that has overcome the republican party.

yeah there is no way at all that the. current republican party can claim the. mantle of conservatism especially when. you view them next to these actual. conservatives who are actually trying to. abide by the constitution and the rule. of law i will just say for those. wondering about jordy not being here. it's not a conspiracy he's having. technology issues and so he hasn't been. able to get onto the internet maybe that. is a conspiracy maybe someone's trying. to silence jordy we got a hashtag free. jordy but anyway let's talk about the. case ben it's funny that you mentioned.

the m night shyamalan sort of ending. because i agree i thought in. presentation and style it began a little. slow we started off with that letter. from luddig which i thought was. incredibly powerful really set up these. hearings to be a blockbuster smash and. then the hearing started a little slow. but i thought the legal implications of. everything that was being said was. brilliantly executed and was spot-on and. was important to make the case that. donald trump himself was directly to. blame for january 6th and for all the. action happening around january 6th i.

thought there were two very compelling. witnesses two witnesses that have a lot. of weight in conservative circles and. right wing circles and should have a lot. of weight with the american people and. then we saw from very early on we saw. these connections being made to the. people in the streets donald trump's own. words and how they instigated the. violence out there one of the first. clips that really gripped me and really. shocked me was a clip of the rioters the.

insurrectionists that day outside the. capitol saying if pence caved we're. gonna drag these [ __ ] through. the street you [ __ ] politicians are. gonna get [ __ ] drug through the. streets these are the intentions of the. insurrectionists that day this was not. only a coup attempt it was a violent. coup attempt where they hoped to. actually kill our politicians and our. other political leaders and this was. further emphasized by the fact that a. informant within the proud boys was.

revealed to have said that the proud. boys intended on murdering mike pence. that noose was not just for show they. planned on killing mike pence and they. planned on killing nancy pelosi if they. had the opportunity and when they. whisked mike pence away to safety these. proud boys came within 40 feet of pence. 40 feet separated pence from living and. dying and i know a lot of people. watching these hearings probably were. like ugh it's very difficult to like. have to hear mike pence lauded as some.

sort of hero right like i can't believe. i have to say good job mike pence and to. an extent i do agree with you but i do. think the actions he took that day did. definitely save our democracy i am. conflicted because i think if he truly. had courage uh to steal a phrase from. donald trump as was emphasized if pence. truly had courage he would have been. appearing right there alongside these. two witnesses today to give his side of. the story and i think at the end of. these hearings when benny thompson. looked into the camera and he said hey.

and if there's anybody who's been on the. fence about testifying before us now is. your time contact us we can still make. it happen so to be determined but i. think they were making a a little bit of. a pitch there what do you think then. i agree so why don't we start off with. the first clip read if you'll play it of. the january 6 committee releasing new. shocking video of the plot to pressure. pence this is what you described these. were the insurrectionist on the ground. in their own words play the clip.

mike pence is going to have to come. through for us and if he doesn't. that will be a sad day for our country. and mike pence i hope you're going to. stand up for the good of our. constitution and for the good of our. country and if you're not i'm going to. be very disappointed in you i will tell. you right now. i'm telling you what i'm hearing the. pits. i hear in the pins just caved no. is that true i didn't i'm here i'm. hearing reports of pence cave.

i'm telling you if pence came we're. gonna drag [ __ ] through the. streets. you [ __ ] politicians are gonna get. [ __ ] drugged through the streets i. guess the hope is that there's such a. show of force here that pence will. decide to just do the right thing. according to trump. [Music]. hang out. right now. [Music]. [Applause].

[Music]. [Applause]. so then brett you had the testimony from. the witnesses. particularly greg jacob who was really. really really good at bringing us. through the timeline of what was taking. place leading up to january 6th and. what began as this kind of. you know. fantastical absurd theory basically to. borrow the words from.

judge luddig's opening remarks which. were not read in full this would kind of. be like just a weird and bizarre theory. that maybe someone brings in a. first-year law class on the constitution. to just bizarre in his words but you. know basically to play the contrarian. [ __ ] in law school but that nobody. would actually bring these arguments to. a sitting president but nonetheless. what greg jacobs says as his role as. vice president.

pence's counsel as these theories were. being talked about in that december. period after the election about whether. the vice president could literally block. the state electors. from being counted and substitute him. with trump electors and literally. declare trump the winner what greg. jacobs said is look they looked through. the text they started reading it and. this way they were prepared in the event. that trump and john eastman and team not.

normal if you will would put on this. pressure campaign. they'd be prepared to make the arguments. what the law was in the circumstance so. brett play the clip if you will of greg. jacob basically saying how early on he. was. [Music]. reviewing the text reviewing history. and consulting common sense and the. conclusion that he reached fairly soon. in his investigation the vice. president's first instinct when he heard.

this theory. was that there was no way. that our framers. who aboard concentrated power who had. broken away from the tyranny of george. iii. would ever. have put. one person particularly not a person who. had a direct interest in the outcome. because they were on the ticket for the. election. in a role to have decisive. impact on the outcome of the election. and. our review of.

history. and frankly just common sense all. confirmed the vice president's first. instinct on that point there is no. uh justifiable basis to conclude that. the vice president has that kind of. authority and that's a common theme that. we heard over and over again that. there's no precedent for this it's. simply not there in the text this is. totally unconstitutional in every way. imaginable and not only that though. later and we'll get to this shortly but.

john eastman knew this himself and still. pushed this bunk illegal criminal legal. theory he knew it the whole time and. still pushed his batshit insane theory. and we'll get to that shortly but first. i think one of the most revealing. statements came shortly after that then. when greg jacob made the most brilliant. point well he asked the question to john. eastman he said if you were right don't. you think al gore would have liked to. have known in 2000 that he had the. authority to just declare himself. president of the united states and went.

off about that and the john eastman. response what john eastman told mike. pence's counsel greg jacob i think. really said it all and i'll read it and. then we'll play the clip but he said al. gore did not have a basis to overturn. the election results in 2000 kamala. harris should not be able to do it in. 2024 but. i think you should do it today if that. doesn't speak to his consciousness of. guilt and doesn't speak to the fact that. he knew what he was doing was illegal.

then i don't know what is but let's play. that clip he had come into that meeting. trying to. persuade us that there was some validity. to his theory i viewed it as my. objective to persuade him. to acknowledge he was just wrong and i. thought this had to be one of the most. powerful. arguments i mean. john. back in 2000. you weren't jumping up and saying al. gore had this authority to do that you. would not want kamala harris to be able. to exercise that kind of authority in. 2024 when i hope republicans will win.

the election and i know you hope that. too john and he said. absolutely al gore did not have a basis. to do it in 2000 kamala harris shouldn't. be able to do it in 2024. but i think you should do it today wow. that's all i want to say is this is is. wow and john eastman you know also. acknowledged that you know right then. and there that this was i mean. i think adrian fontes who's running for. secretary of state of arizona um he.

responded to our post from midas media. network posting this and he says quote. listen to how authori authoritarianism. thinks i know it's wrong and there's no. reason for it to be right but it helps. my guy so do it anyway. damn the rule of law and that's truly. what we see there in action and so what. um what was able to be laid out with. greg jacobs testimony though was how the. pressure campaign really started. escalating as you got closer to january.

6th and so on january 4th and they try. to use every tactic basically possible. including eventually trump calling pence. the p word telling pence you're not my. friend you're not going to be my friend. if you don't go along with it like has. that ever worked even in elementary. school has that ever worked. i'm not going to be your friend anymore. if you don't overthrow the government. so so first let's play the clip though. where.

uh greg jacob has this conversation. though with john eastman and eastman. himself acknowledges that there's no. basis in law at all for this plan to. have pence uh you know unilaterally. declare trump the winner play that clip. mr jacob. you discussed and even debated this. theory at length with dr eastman. did dr eastman ever tell you what he. thought the u.s supreme court would do. if it had to decide this issue. yes. we had an extended discussion an hour.

and a half to two hours on january 5th. and. when i pressed him on the point i said. john if the vice president did what you. were asking him to do we would lose nine. to nothing in the supreme court wouldn't. we. um and. he initially started it well i think. maybe you would lose only seven to two. um and after some further discussion. acknowledged well yeah you're right we. would lose nine nothing. i appreciate that in our investigation.

the select committee has obtained. evidence suggesting that dr eastman. never really believed his own theory. let me explain. on the screen you can see a draft letter. to the president from october 2020. in this letter an idea was proposed that. the vice president could determine which. electors to count at the joint session. of congress. but the person writing in blue. eviscerates that argument. the person who wrote the comments in. blue wrote.

the 12th amendment only says that the. president of the senate opens the. ballots in the joint session and then in. the passive voice that the vote shall. then be counted. the comments in blue further state. nowhere does it suggest that the. president of the senate gets to make the. determination on his own i actually tend. to agree with the analysis that they. would lose seven to two. just so you know i think. thomas for sure and justice alito i. think thomas and alito were the two.

justices that. john eastman was thinking about but um. but nonetheless he knew he was going to. lose he knew the theory had no basis and. then one of the things i also liked that. the committee did brett is they played. the clips of the other advisors around. trump and what their view was about john. eastman's theory. want to play that clip where they do. that kind of montage of all of the. advisors and what they had to say you. weren't the only one. who knew that the legal theory was wrong.

though. here's what various advisors to the. president thought about that theory the. first person you'll hear from here is. mark short former chief of staff to vice. president pence you've been clear. repeatedly with mr meadows about you and. the vice president having a different. view about his authority on january 6 i. believe i had. did mr meadows ever explicitly or. tacitly agree with you or say yeah that. makes sense okay.

i believe that um. that mark did agree. what makes you say that. i believe that's what he told me. but. as i mentioned i think mark had told so. many people so many different things. that it was not something that uh that i. would necessarily. accept is okay well that means that's. resolved i say tell me more with what he. told you about on this topic i think it. was that you know the vice president. doesn't have any broader role. and i think he was understanding that so.

despite the fact that he may have said. other things to the president or others. to you he said he understands the vice. president has no role yes okay did he. say that to you several times a couple. times. before january 6 yes next up is jason. miller the way it was communicated to me. was that. um. uh paso baloney thought the idea. was uh. was nutty and had uh. at what point. uh confronted eastman uh basically with.

the same sentiment here's mark shortly. that expressed. his admiration for the vice president's. actions on the day of the sixth. and said that he concurred with the. legal analysis that that our team had. put together to reach. that point here's a former white house. lawyer eric hershman. that in all the protections that were. built into the constitution. for a president to get elected and steps. that had to be taken. that the power to choose the next. president would be sitting at with the. vice president.

do you know if mr clark or mr. um. morgan is it normal. viewed about that thought about that mr. eastman's advice yeah they thought he. was crazy jason miller again do you know. if they ever expressed an opinion on. whether. they thought the vice president had the. power that john eastman said he did. uh. i know for a fact i heard both say that. his theory was crazy that there was no. validity to in any way shape or form so.

we could keep going on and on and on but. you get the point all of the. you know one. i would say this these advisors though. while they were saying this behind. closed doors many of them including. jason miller were speaking to the press. and actually calling out vice president. pence and basically pressuring pence to. do the exact opposite of what they now. claim they were doing privately. nonetheless their testimony. today and their deposition testimony is. incredibly damning and helps the case. certainly to prosecute trump and to.

prosecute eastman but let me tell you. what was going on on the fourth so on. the fourth you have um greg jacob has. this conversation with pence um uh and. with john eastman and in the. conversation though between eastman and. greg jacob what eastman says is look i. don't we don't even need pence to like. completely. just like reject the electors what we. want them to do.

is just let's just just buy us some time. and throw it back to the state. legislatures say you need some time to. examine the issues but we don't want him. to actually we don't need him we'd. prefer that he basically declared trump. the winner that day but we understand. that may be politically difficult so why. don't we help you out pence by. just just delay it by 10 days because. their plan was to then get all these. fraudulent state electors and then to. you know get all these uh state.

legislatures who they were remember they. were whining and dining them in the. trump hotel at that time also remember. we would see all the footage like the. pain. yeah it was a multi-faceted plot yeah. right in plain sight as you were about. to say it was happening right before us. and i remember watching it and thinking. the worst and i think all those thoughts. now have been proven true that the worst. was really being attempted uh behind the. scenes and everything that we felt was. warranted at the time and we got.

incredibly lucky that our system ended. up holding and then on the fifth. eastman calls greg jacob with. the exact opposite of what he said the. day before and he goes you know what. eastman you know eastman says you know. what greg jacob i actually here's what. we need you to do when they have this. conversation i think it was actually an. in-person conversation um and eastman. says. what you need to do is to stop the. counting of the electors and declare. trump the winner that day and you need.

to stop the accounting that day reject. the electors and at that point greg. jacob was like. you literally told me the exact opposite. thing yesterday and now you're telling. me you want me to have him reject the. electors and just declare trump the. winner we absolutely can't do that he. goes i was writing a memo for pence why. we couldn't do the first thing he wanted. us to do which was delay it but at least. delaying it had some. tethered to reality he goes but now you. want me to reject all of the electors we.

definitely can't do that and so he told. eastman that sent eastman out that leads. us to the morning of january 6th before. the rally when trump has this. conversation with pence and we hear what. took place in this conversation between. trump and pence for those people who. were in the room who were able to hear. the conversation and to people who it. was. rallied to and this was one of those.

moments brett that will be talked about. forever in american history should we. just play the clip let's play the clip. but actually right before we play the. clip i do want to also say one other. important fact that was revealed is that. trump and pence had actually met. privately on january 5th and pence told. trump that he did not have that power to. reject the electors and install their. own various state electors so what did. trump do trump went to stephen miller. and he told him to put out a statement. saying that trump and pence met and both.

agreed that pence had the power so. without pence's uh go-ahead here without. pence's approval he made up the opposite. thing of what pence said and put it out. there to further try to pressure pence. and let's that brings us ben to the. morning of january 6th with the phone. call that was listed into by a whole. host of people and let's see what they. had to say about that call president had. several family members. with him. in the oval. that morning for that call.

i'd like to show you what they and. others told the select committee about. that call. along with never-before-seen photographs. of the president on that call from the. national architecture first year they go. back and forth between former white. house lawyer eric hershman and ivanka. when i got in. uh. somebody called me and said that. the family and others were in the oval. and do i want to come up. so i i went upstairs uh and who do you. recall being in the oval office.

don jr eric laura. kimberly i believe meadows was there. at some point ivanka. came in. it wasn't a specific. formal discussion it was. very sort of loose and casual so then. you said at some point there's a. telephone conversation between the. president and the vice president is that. correct yes. when i entered the office the second. time. he was. on the telephone with who i later found.

out to be was the the vice president. could you hear the vice president or. only hear the president's end i only. heard the president but at some point it. started off. as a calmer tone and everything and then. became heated the conversation was was. pretty heated. i think until it became. somewhat you know louder tone. i don't think anyone's paying attention. to it initially. did you hear any part of the phone call. even if just this the end that the. president was speaking from i did yes. next is trump's former personal. assistant nick luna dropping off the.

note um. my memory i remember hearing the word. wimp either he called him a wimp i don't. remember if he said you are a wimp. you'll be a whim wimp is the word i. remember it's also been reported that. the president said to the vice president. that something to the effect of you. don't have the courage to make general. keith kellogg former vp pence national. security adviser yeah something like. that yeah dude. like being you're not tough enough to. make the call it was a different tone. than i'd heard him take um with the vice.

president before did miss trump share. with you any more details about what had. happened or any details about what had. happened in the oval office that morning. this is julie radford former ivanka. trump chief of staff had just had an. upsetting conversation with the vice. president do you recall anything about. her demeanor either during the meeting. or when you encountered her in james. cavino's office. her schmidt again. i don't remember specifically i mean i. think she was. uncomfortable over the fact that there. was obviously that type of interaction.

between the two of them something to the. effect this is. the wording's wrong. i made the wrong decision four or five. years ago and the the word that she. related to that the president called the. vice president i apologize for being. impolite but do you remember what she. said her father called him. the p word. i assure you the p word was not patriot. i'm sure he the p word. was not. uh pancake i mean look we should just.

say it i mean how it whether democracy. hangs on the line. trump is calling and berating the vice. president and calling him a wimp and. calling him a position. that's what the president of i mean just. think about how this. tyrant. how this individual just demeaned. the presidency and then we learn also. brett about you referenced this earlier. in the show. about how an informant described what. the true intentions were here we played.

earlier in the podcast first the clip of. what the insurrectionist said they were. going to do but here we have a testimony. from a confidential informant who was. embedded inside the proud boys and this. is what the testimony of this. confidential informant was as read by. the gen 6 committee play the clip. a recent court filing by the department. of justice explains that a confidential. informant from the proud boys told the. fbi the proud boys would have killed.

mike pence if given a chance. this witness. whom the fbi affidavit refers to as w1. stated that other members of the group. talked about things they did that day. and they said that anyone they got their. hands on they would have killed. including nancy pelosi. w1 further stated that members of the. proud boys said. that they would have killed mike pence. if given a chance right and that clip of. the hearing with the confidential.

informant. said was absolutely chilling. there's also another moment we should. mention where eric hirschman talks about. how the morning on january 6th how. giuliani called him out of the blue to. discuss what john eastman was saying and. by the end of their conversation. uh eric hershman says that giuliani said. i believe you're right that there is no. authority for us. in any way to kind of compel pence to. overturn the electors i mentioned that.

one part because. today. as rudy giuliani's campaigning for his. son who's going to lose miserably in the. re and the race for governor uh in new. york um rudy giuliani was asked about. this conversation with eric harshman and. giuliani was asked eric hirschman said. that you believed that there was no. legal authority for vice president pence. to overthrow the state electors that. were uh given to him that day based on.

the will of the people what's your. response. and. let's listen to rudy giuliani's response. eric hershman just testified before the. once january 6th committee committee. that you told him. that pence did not have the authority to. uh block certification of the election. he looks like he's been drinking again. is that true. i shouldn't really talk about that. though i uh. but but did you say the rules that i had.

with the committee was that my. uh uh answering question would be. confidential now the committee leaks. because the committee is an. irresponsible this was eric hirschman. saying this eric can do what he wants. but uh the reality is i do not comment. on the testimony i gave to them except. to say. well i'm asking you about his testimony. i'm not going to comment on his question. i'm going to tell you that the committee. is a witch it's really unbelievable here. was unbelievable. is that.

somebody like you you look at a rudy. giuliani and this is not political. this is not partisan. that individual who you're watching. there. who was giving the advice to the. president rudy giuliani john eastman. these are people. who are. unfit. for the most basic. basic of tasks yet alone the sober. responsibility. of. being the top advisor sober.

responsibility good one ben thank you. i'm advising the president of the united. states you know these are these are. these are not just bad people. these are idiots. these are it's a combination of. uh. tyranny. meets. idiocracy meets you know. uh. i can't even think of the words that. describe i think the term is. kakistocracy if i'm saying it correctly. which is a government by basically the.

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eastman pardons though oh let's go there. i'll i'll let you do the honors okay so. it turns out johnny's been the trump. attorney who we've been talking about. this entire time he had actually asked. drunk rudy giuliani which i think is. just his name now for a part of um to. ask donald trump to give him a pardon to. me that shows the ultimate signs of. consciousness of guilt right there that. you know what you're doing at that time. is engaging in criminal activity so he. asks rudy for a pardon uh it's. ultimately never granted and then.

ultimately when he's brought in front of. the january 6 committee to give his. testimony what does he do is he as. forthcoming as he has fourth right as. the other witnesses who you've heard. from today no john eastman actually. plead the fifth more than. 100 times like i like when you look at. the footage he likes over at his lawyer. like can i answer this one oh no fifth. fifth fifth. fifth and so that was the entire tape we. could play it but that's literally all. that happens in the tape because fifth. fifth fifth. just. just played for the second.

dr eastman did you advise the president. of the united states the vice president. could reject electors from seven states. and declare that the president had been. realized. dr eastman the first sentence of the. memo. starts off by saying seven states have. transmitted dual slate's electors to the. president of the senate. is that statement in this memo true. fifth all right that happens 98 plus. more times and as we all know what.

donald trump says about people who plead. the fifth which is not my view about. people who played the fifth this is. donald trump's view about people who. plead the fifth uh it's what the mafia. does is what the mob does it shows that. you're guilty and that you're a criminal. once again not my words donald trump's. words and now donald trump's own. attorney pleading the fifth more than a. hundred times when asked about his. involvement in the january 6 coup plot. to overturn the results of the 2020. election it's what's going to be so. interesting you know brett trump is. going to be deposed in new york by tisch. james july 15th. and that'll be interesting we get a live.

stream of that. how do we how do we get cameras in there. oh if we can get a live stream in there. it will be. a joyous joyous thing i i think maybe. one other observation to mention though. that uh. when like right after january 6th. eastman like called up um the tr uh one. of trump's councils the eric hershman. who we've heard about before um and was. basically like trying to talk to eric.

hirschman like things were normal and he. was like so i'm thinking about filing. this appeal brief in. georgia what do you think about this. appeal brief and hershman was like. listen you [ __ ]. that's basically the whole hershman. testimony i would i just want to see the. full tape because i feel like the whole. time he's like these stupid. [ __ ] these [ __ ]. i told you and hershman's like i told. him are you out of your [ __ ] mind you. better hire criminal defense you better. hire a hire a criminal defense lawyer.

what in the world are you doing right. now i don't want to hear anything other. than orderly transition of power just. play that clip it's a perfect way to to. end our summation. i said to him. are you out of your f in mind. right. i said i. could i only want to hear two words. coming out of your mouth for now on. orderly transition and ben i think i. just want to also close by highlighting. judge luddig's words that he used at the. end of this hearing because i think he.

spoke to the real heart of the issue and. why these hearings are so important. because what letting explained was this. is not even an issue right now about the. 2020 election. this is an issue about the 2024 election. and all future elections and that's why. it's so important that we see justice. for what happened. during this insurrection he stated i. have and let's let's play the clip i. have written. as you said.

chairman thompson. that. today. almost two years after that fateful day. in january 2021 that's still donald. trump. and. his. allies and supporters. are a clear and present danger. to american democracy that's not because.

of what happened on january 6th. it's because to this very day. the former president. his allies and supporters. pledge. that in. the presidential. election of 2024.

if. the former president. or. his anointed. successor as the republican party. presidential candidate. were to. lose. that election. that they would.

attempt to overturn that 2024 election. in the same way that they. attempted to overturn. the 2020 election. but succeed. in 2024 where they failed. in 2020. donald trump. and his allies. and his supporters.

he said are a clear and present danger. to american democracy i think that. really sums up what these hearings are. all about and i think it sums up why. they are so important and i think it. sums up also why i left today's hearings. you know maybe not as like fired up as i. was from some of the previous testimony. that we heard but i left them really. angry and i left them really kind of sad. like sad that it's gotten to this point. for our country and sad that this is. where we are and that these republicans.

still don't care they're still pushing. these big lies they're still pushing. this [ __ ] they are still trying to. overthrow our democracy each and every. day and that's where you all come in who. are listening to this podcast to make. sure that you share all these clips and. share all the information that you. learned because most people are not. going to digest these hearings the same. way we all did most people are going to. be hearing about them from friends. they're going to be reading about them. online they're going to be seeing them. in tic-tac clips and other social media. clips so it's on you to share the.

important moments from not only today. but from all these hearings and have. that be the way that you help protect. our democracy and i like i said i am. angry i am. i'm very angry about this all and i'm. very sad about it all and i am hoping. that the department of justice who we. know is investigating this all that they. do take action on all of these people. because i do personally in order to see. the future of this country we do need to. see indictments of rudy giuliani we do. need to see indictments of john eastman.

we do need to see indictments of donald. trump and everybody who aided and. abetted this coup attempt or else it may. happen again. in washington you often see politicians. over promised and under deliver with. each revelation from the january 6. committee we seem to be seeing the. opposite. count me and pressed those were the. words of dan rather today after the. hearing and i think those words are. incredibly apt and incredibly true what.

we're seeing here is a presentation that. is not partisan in any way. in fact if it were to be partisan it. would be partisan in favor of. conservative republicans because not a. single democrat has actually testified. about their feelings about what takes. place i mean one of the interesting. things is. we still have to. sit there and listen to people like greg. jacob. who want republicans to take power in.

2024 just not the republicans who want. to literally overthrow the rule of law. you have someone in greg jacob who is. actually trying to find a way. and trying to search through the law to. see if there was any basis whatsoever to. allow trump to serve a second term that. was where they were actually trying to. find their outcome was one that they. wanted to figure it out but there was no. basis in law to do it. and so.

i don't want to give these people like. the biggest pat on the backs because. their initial intent was actually not. one that was. trying to find an outcome that was the. right one but they wanted to find the. right one that was right with the law. and what the law said and this is what. the rule of law is all about you know. and ultimately well i think i probably. would disagree with judge luddig on a. lot of issues and greg jacob on a lot of. issues that i would likely i know i. disagree with liz cheney on a lot of.

issues and adam kinziger on a lot of. issues but ultimately if our country was. made up of people you know who had. pro-democracy views across the isles but. disagreed on certain policy approaches. to it but ultimately we supported the. actual rule of law could you imagine. what we'd be able to accomplish as a. country what types of compromises we. could be able to reach there literally. is nothing as i said partisan about the.

work of a committee where all of the. witnesses have been conservative. republicans or people who worked for. trump that's it that's the witnesses. not a single person who's a democrat has. testified and when the republicans that. are currently in power. are calling these individuals who. defended the rule of law rhinos and for. you not to be a rhino means you have to. go to mar-a-lago. and sit in front of murals of donald.

trump. and kiss the ass of a dictator with no. clothes. that is not what the united states of. america is all about in any sense of the. world i want to make sure that midas. touch helps unite the country brings us. together. and try to find commonality but most. importantly to protect the rule of law. and to protect our democracy bret i'll. give you the last word yeah i just want. to say thank you for everybody for being. so supportive of the midas media.

coverage and for tuning in and for. showing such a passionate interest in. our democracy it truly means the world. to us and it really gives me hope for. the future of the united states i want. to let you know the next hearings can be. viewed tuesday june 21st at 1pm eastern. our coverage on the midas media network. at youtube.com. slash midas touch always begins one hour. prior to the hearings so you will see. our live coverage next this tuesday june. 21st at.

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