Why the Plane Crashed in Florida, Haley Stevens' SHOCK Switch in Michigan, & Russell Brand's Closing

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show. Happy Monday. What a week we're about to have. together. We are going to have a special. report on the stunning plane crash in. Florida yesterday. In just a bit, we are. awaiting an NTSB briefing and we have. our pilots on standby. They're going to. watch that. We're going to watch that. and then we will dissect exactly how. this happened. First though, it is. election eve and man were there a ton of. interesting developments in several key.

states over the weekend. Uh I mean what. you need to know is it's all trending. according to all the pollsters terribly. for the GOP. You're shocked. Shocked. I. know. Um I mean I'm still interested to. see how it's going to go. I actually am. interested no matter how it goes. I. think that um if the Republicans lose. big tomorrow night as they're expected. to, I do think the reasons why are going. to be the most interesting thing. What. What are the voters trying to tell. Republicans? What did they do or not do. that people are pissed off about and.

looking to punish them for? If they. don't do poorly and they actually manage. to hold on to control of the Senate or. keep it tight, it's going to be a. massive polling failure. It will be the. end of polling. So, that's what I'll be. looking at and we'll be talking about. tomorrow night. We'll have live coverage. for you, of course, beginning at 7. Don't miss a moment. Subscribe to this. show on YouTube, and follow me on Insta, Facebook, and X. You might already own a. firearm, but what if you could start. with less lethal methods to avoid the.

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partner near you. That's by RNA.com. Nothing bigger happened over the past 48. hours than politically speaking than. what happened in Michigan. Oh my gosh. I I don't know. I feel like if you're. right of center, it's kind of like a. popcorn eating moment, but if you're a. leftist, you are very very angry at. Haley Stevens right now. Haley Stevens, she was so likable. But no, no longer.

She's a Democratic Representative Haley. Stevens. She's been forced to give up. her seat because she ran for Senate. So, she's winding down that congressional. office. And um the reason she's not in. this thing anymore is because she lost. to Elsad in the Democrat primary and now. he's in it. I mean, in this bloody. battle against Mike Rogers to the very. end. This is one of the most watched. races in the country. Uh so she was set. to attend a unity event with the.

Michigan Democratic Senate candidate say. where she was going to you know appear. with him at this black church with James. Clyburn who's you know a god of democrat. politics and was a civil rights figure. and um they were going to have this. unity event in Michigan and Elsa needed. a unity unity event at least one. involving Clyber burn because he's not. doing very well with black voters and. he's not doing great with Jewish voters.

and Haley Stevens is is uh her fiance is. Jewish and he had already come out to. say he's not voting for Elsa he's going. to vote for Mike Rogers but she said I'm. voting for Abdul as she calls him but. okay but we talked on Friday about her. weird statement okay do you remember. when we discussed that she put out this. weird preemptive statement saying I look. forward to the event with Elsa on Sunday. where he's going to apologize for.

everything that has upset me on the. Israel question. I mean, that's really. what she said. I'm I'm only slightly. rephrasing it. She wanted him to condemn. this ad that Jen Weaguer of the Young. Turks put out suggesting high costs of. groceries in Michigan were caused by. money we're sending to Israel. And then. she also was like, "And I expect him to. apologize for his own words." Elsiad. separated and apart from this ad with. which he had nothing to do. I want him. to disavow the ad and I want him to.

apologize for his own words. And I. remember when we were talking on Friday. saying, um, it sounds a little odd like. is is Sed really going to do that? And. the only reason it was possible is. because he has got the anti-Israel vote. They will not be voting Rogers. So, was. it possible he was going to throw a bone. to the Jewish voters of Michigan who are. very, very pro-Israel? They're not all. All Jewish voters are not a monolith. Some couldn't give two shits about.

Israel. Some are very upset about the. Israeli government, and some care about. Israel more than they care about the. United States. Some do. Sorry, it's. true. Not all, some. And uh that was the. question about whether he'd be throwing. a bone to that latter group andor the. middle group, you know, like, "Hey, I'm. sorry. I hear you." Well, the answer is. no, because um he came out and said, "Uh, I don't want her coming to the.

unity event. I'm gonna unify with James. Klyurn only. I don't want her." And then. by yesterday afternoon, Haley Stevens, whose pinned tweet on her ex account was. talking about defeating Mike Rogers and. how important that was, endorsed Mike. Rogers. She endorsed the Republican. All right. Now, I I just it's very funny to me because. there are definitely some some Democrats.

who are trying who like don't like El. Saled who are trying to spin this and. some Republicans now as a huge moment. I. I'm I got to be honest. I have my. doubts. Does anyone give a what. Haley Stevens says? Truly, do they care? I think the Democrats care because they. they see this as a betrayal and they're. mad she did anything to risk Elsa's. chances, but does she really have a huge. constituency? I think you're if you're a.

Michigan voter and you had doubts about. Elsad. and you normally vote Dem, I suppose this could be permission for. you to vote for Mike Rogers, but. I doubt it. I just I don't think she has. any influence. Who gives a what. Daley Steven says? Ah, that's my own. take on it. But watching the drama is. highly entertaining. So she decides it. will be a good idea for her to go on.

with Anderson Cooper last night on CNN. It was amazing. The the whole exchange. was fantastic. It was like a 15minute. exchange. I felt bad for Anderson. He. tried he he tried valiantly to get. straight answers out of this person. If. you're going to do something like this, like truly an 11th hour change of heart. going from Democrat to Republican and. you were in the Democrat primary,

you better be able to explain it very. clearly, cogently, and ideally. persuasively. But she looked like a deer in the. headlights in this interview. She looked. terrified that she was there at all. Why'd you go on? And she dodged and. weaved like OJ in the airport for the. Herz commercials. Um, was it Herz?

Anyway, she was jumping over the turn. styles and dodging players left and. right, all in order to avoid just. answering very basic questions about. you. You you have the pinned tweet. You said on Friday that you wanted. people to vote for Abdul als. passed and you did a complete 180. You.

didn't just say, "I'm not going to vote. for him. I'm just not going to vote.". You did not say, "Um, whatever. I'm I'm feeling less than. enthusiastic now." you did a 180 and. endorsed the Republican. So Anderson. Cooper does his best to try to get this. gal to say why. By the way, you'll. notice her really her Michigander. accent. It's kind of waned because now she's. talking more like a normal Midwesterner.

who does have an accent but didn't dial. it up to 11 to try to get people on her. side. I.e. she's a phony. This woman is a phony, which some of us. said during the primary. Whatever. Here she is with Anderson. Cooper. Watch this. >> This is about Abdul getting angrier and. angrier and saying, "I don't want uh. these people in my campaign.". >> But he didn't get angry. I'm not going. to stand up when we say he didn't get. angrier from midnight last night to this.

morning. So I'm I mean something changed. your mind. I'm just curious like was. there a specific aspect of. >> Well, Anderson, you certainly weren't on. the phone with uh with me at at at at at. midnight and I don't think I was on the. uh the phone either, but I have great. respect uh for Congresswoman Dingle and. you know, she is a pillar of always. trying to bring together just as just as. Senator Slackin is, by the way. You. know, she's carried a lot of water here. Uh she's, you know, a a going to be our.

soon to be senior senator and things. along those lines. The deal is, Anderson. is that, you know what, this is a weight. off my shoulders. I'm being straight. with everybody. You know, I'm trying to. help the Democratic party. I felt the. same way with Platner and his Nazi. tattoo. And then the cases of abuse and. I'm just one person here. All right, that's it. And I'm voting for Democrats. up and down my ballot. Abdul said don't. be a part of this. That's fine.

I mean, just say it. Just say why you. want Mike Rogers. Now, here is the. truth. I think two things. One, she was. pissed. He disinvited her. And I don't. blame him for disinviting her because. rather than making it a unity event, she. threw a little hissy fit and demanded. that he say all the words she demand he.

say. Say them out loud. Apologize. She. pulled a BLM. Say it. Say it. Condemn. the ad. He had already said, "That's not. my ad, and I really wish people would. stop trying to glom onto my candidacy. with their issues." Okay, that's what he. said about the Jen Weaguer ad, which. suggested that they couldn't buy. groceries in Michigan because of that we. have to use the money to pay to kill. Palestinians in Gaza. Um he he was she wanted a disavowel. You.

know, you have to say it the way I want. you to say it. And then you also on top. of that need to apologize. Apologize for. your own words, she said, which she. thought had come close to what that ad. telegraphed. And she didn't like that. Okay. You know what you do when you feel. like that like Haley Stevens felt and. demanding all this? You you don't say. yes to the unity event. You don't. Here's I'm reading from her statement uh. on Friday. I have learned from.

Democratic Party leaders uh that Dr. Elsed has heard the deep concerns of the. Jewish community and is now for the. first time in this campaign formerly. condemning that ad for what it is. That is why I accepted Congressman. Klyurn's invitation to appear with Abdul. on Sunday. Uh I urge voters and the. press to confirm it with Abdul directly. So, she's admitting she just heard it. through the third parties and you know, go pressure Abdul to do it. But the ad.

did not invent its argument. It. dramatized one Dr. El Say has made in. his own words throughout this campaign. that Israel is the reason Michigan. cannot afford schools, healthcare, and. childare. The standard here is simple. If those words are wrong when a. political action committee supporting. his campaign says them, then they are. equally wrong when Abdul says them. And. Abdul has said them from the start. I. therefore expect him to apologize for.

those statements as well. Abdul promises. to get money out of politics. He can. begin by getting Israel out of his. explanation for everything Michigan for. uh he can begin by getting Israel out of. his explanation for everything Michigan. cannot afford. Then she adds, "And it is my hope and. expectation that out of the same respect. for Michigan's black community, he will. take down his own advertisement. featuring white Christian nationalist. Tucker Carlson. An insult to the.

congregation that will welcome us on. Sunday." So you got it. Tucker's got to. be condemned. Abdul's got to renounce. his own rhetoric on the subject of. Israel, a foreign country that is not. the United States of America that has. been behaving very controversially and. it is fine to have negative opinions. about just like we do about our own. government. Hello. But no, he's got to. disavow his earlier comments. And I'm. sure it all has nothing to do with the. fact that Haley Stevens has received $39.

million from Apac, which is the lobby, the lobbying group supporting Israel and. its interests. $39 million. So, I think that the two offenses that. Haley Stevens suffered that caused her. to decide she wasn't endorsing Abdul. anymore, she's now endorsing Mike Rogers. are one, Abdul was pissed off by her.

clearly antagonistic statement and said, "Don't bother coming to the Unity event. on Sunday. We're good. I don't need. you." And two, she's been paid a. ton of money by a lobbying group that. clearly really did want all of those. things to be said by Elsa. She couldn't. get it. And I know she was under. enormous pressure by that group and. others to disavow because they've. decided that Abdul is an anti-semite.

And look, I don't deny that Abdul's got. some very sketchy family connections. with the Muslim Brotherhood and so on, but I have not heard him behave in an. anti-Semitic way. I think he's got. serious problems with Israel. And if in. fact he supports the Muslim Brotherhood, they are anti-Semitic. Um and he did. write a letter about Muhammad Morsey uh. back when during the Arab Spring when. you know 15 years ago. But most of the. controversy around him involves his.

family connections, a sister-in-law and. somebody else in his family and his mom. Now you can impute those connections to. him. That's fine. I have no problem with. you doing that. But I'm just saying like. to demand that he be denounced because. he's allegedly anti-semitic. Well, we have to hear the specific. statements and then you got to prove it. and then you got to prove it to the. Democrat party which itself has the same. concerns about Israel as he does. That's. why he's winning in Michigan. Hello. That's why he's running against a. Republican neocon.

and that issue is extremely stark. between the two of them. He he Abdul's. been totally critical of Israel. Mike. Rogers is more of a old school. pro-Israel Republican neocon. the all of this has been dominating the. race and bubbling up to the surface and. it doesn't surprise me at all. Nor does. it surprise me that she throws Tucker. Carlson under the bus and it has nothing. to do with him allegedly being offensive. to black people. Okay, he's not. So,

stop it. This is what the left says. about anybody who's conservative, never. mind on Fox News. Uh, she throws him in. there clearly as a little, you know, like as a scare because Apac hates him. too. So, he can't go. Abdul can't have. an ad. By the way, that ad has Jesse. Waters in it. It has Tucker. I think it. has Martha McCllum. It has a bunch of. like conservative personalities who have. interviewed Abdul saying something nice. about him in the course of the.

interview. Please, hello. That's the. price of admission. Jesse Waters gave. him a very tough interview, but he was a. charming host. like calm down. So that's. what's happened. And now instead of. talking about affordability in the, you. know, 11th hour of this race, the. Democrats are talking, it's everywhere, about this. intraarty civil war caused by this crazy. lady, this Haley Stevens. And not only. has it spun into, okay, who's to blame,

you know, what changed her mind in that. couple of hours where she said, okay, I'm going to vote for Abdul still. I. still endorse him. Don't vote for Mike. Mike Rogers, too. 180. I'm not doing any. of that. We don't know. But now it's. spun into, is she under the coercive. control of her husband or fiance? It's. truly they're trying to make her, if you. see, if you saw the Elizabeth Holmes.

documentary, they're trying to make her. into Elizabeth Holmes and he's Billy. Evans, like a controlling spouse. That's. what the accusation against Billy was. As I said to you last last Friday, I see. it a little differently, but whatever. Like, she has no agency. This. congresswoman is like, "Oh, someone's. got to rescue her from the evil fist of. her Jewish fiance who's voting for Mike. Rogers." As if she can't figure out her. own path forward. This US Congresswoman.

who's been very strong in her stated. beliefs thus far and had been saying she. was going to vote Abdul all along. And. what was the straw that broke the. camel's back? He was mean to her. It's. giving Cornell seven vibes. She was she was fine with what happened. until they yanked her invitation to the. Halloween party and then she went jihad. on their asses. And that's what what. appears to be happening with Haley. Stevens. Abdul told her not to come. and hell hath no fury like a woman whose.

invitation has been rescended. That's. really what we have seen here in the. past 30 to 40 days on two major fronts. one political, one cultural on the. campus of Cornell University. Um, okay, let's watch a little bit more. from this interview because it's really. stunning and it's entertaining. Anderson, um, is trying to get at her. reversal, suggesting she knew about that. Jen Weaguer ad when she was still saying.

she was on team Abdul and she was going. to vote for him. And just so you. understand the reference here, Jen. Weaguer started the Young Turks. He. works with Anaka Kasparian and a friend. of our show. Um, his nephew is the. controversial podcaster Hassan who. said we deserve 911. He's out. This. guy's crazy. He's way out there on these. issues. Jenk is not as far out there, though he's clearly a fan of Hassan. Here's exchange in uh the 17 that.

I wanted you to hear next. >> When you endorse him, you knew uh you. keep referencing the uncle. I assume you. knew about the uncle and whatever else. he and and Hassan Um. I guess I still unclear. I mean it sounds like last night was a. really big night where a lot built up. what the turning point was and. >> that's that's your assumption Anderson. I mean that's your editorializing I. certainly didn't I I certainly didn't.

>> But you were willing to be at a campaign. event for him. wanted to be at a public. event uh with him up until some point I. guess yesterday and I it's just an. interesting change and I think a lot of. people are curious. to try to understand it. >> Was that a question Anderson or or uh. >> no I wanted to see if you wanted to fill. in the silence but you don't look.

>> Yeah. Oh, that's how it went. So awkward. So. uncomfortable. She did not do well. I He. asked her about her August post about. Mike Rogers. Watch that. Sat 16. >> Back in August, you posted on social. media, quote, "Mike Rogers will be. another rubber stamp for Donald Trump's. dangerous agenda. We can't afford to. give MAGA another Senate seat in. November. How do you Why is it okay now?

Why can you afford now to give MAGA. another Senate seat in November? >> Well, why is it okay to have the. Democratic party and a top nominee, you. know, ejecting uh you know this type of. or injecting rather this type of of. anger and lack of kindness. That's all. I'm sorry. Okay. So, it's the telling. people how I'm voting and there's others. who feel the same way. The anger and. lack of kindness. I'm sorry. I don't. want to talk over you. The the anger and.

lack of kindness. >> No, no. It's It sounds like you're upset. with me, too, Anderson. >> No, I'm not. I'm just You're not really. answering any of my questions, so I'm. It's somewhat frustrating. You're saying. the anger and lack of kindness. Again, that seems to point to you being. disinvited to this event. Is that to you. >> correct? >> The an is that his anger and lack of. kindness? >> She just she wouldn't answer. we would. have played it for you, but it was. another dodge. And I do think it was a.

tell there was where she said, "I just. don't think it's it's, you know, appropriate or whatever the word was to. have him ejecting.". That's the tell. That's what she's. really mad about. He ejected her. He did. not want her to come to his unity event. Who could blame him? Can you imagine if. you had won the primary over this nine. and she was like, "I'll go to the uni. event as long as you say the following. five things exactly as I want you to. off. You lost. That's what I'd be. saying, too. And then she changes it to.

to his sin wasn't ejecting. It was. injecting what? Injecting what? Anger and lack of kindness toward her. Toward her. It's all about Haley. Stevens. It's very amusing. I mean, listen, the Democrats made their own bed. I. didn't nominate Haley Stevens. I thought. she was bizarre. We mocked her endlessly. when she sounded like this when she. dialed up that Michigan accent by about.

five or six points. Here it is. I am. going to be working on our behalf. I am. going to be telling the stories on our. behalf. And you better believe I'm going. to be doing it with a little bit of joy, a little bit of enthusiasm, a little bit. of energy, and a little bit of sick it. to them because that's the Michigan way. We tried to warn them. I mean, what what. more could we They reject our advice.

Um, you know, this person should not. have been your representative. She. should not have been one of your last. final candidates. And now it's because. she was like the moderate one, guys. Abdul, he's like DSA. Last night he was. on 60 Minutes arguing to get. back into girl sports. Okay, the guy's a. problem. Um, so they could have gone. with him or they could have gone with a. moderate and they chose as their. moderate this nutcase who is she's a. phony and she's about herself and now.

they are stuck with Abdul who said this. to Ros Dutt on 60 minutes last night. >> What about since this is a flash point. in these debates? What about the rights? What about the rights of parents to. control over their children's education? Because a lot of places where there's. tension between Islam and Muslim voters.

and what I'm calling cultural liberalism. are around issues like what is taught in. school? What happens with transgender. kids on sports teams and so on, right? Like these are places where rights are. in conflict, right? Do you what do you. think happens there? >> I don't know that that's actually true. I think we manufacture these social. issues because here's the thing about. it, Ross. You have an iPhone in your. pocket probably or is it an iPhone or a. Samsung? >> You have a phone in your pocket, right? You can get access to everything and. anything in the whole world, all the. world's information in your pocket. The. notion somehow that you are going to.

prevent your child from being exposed to. something that you may find disagreeable. and that that is going to be because of. school is so profoundly outdated because. of course you have all the information. and they have all the information. I. mean, I'm just going to say like a lot. of the culture war issues that get. fought right now are about trying to. distract us from the fact that we can't. afford our gas, can't afford our. groceries, can't see a doctor, are. worried about whether or not our kids. are going to have a good life. And. instead, we're out here talking about. who gets to play what sport, which, you. know, should be the question of the.

people who govern sports. I'm not. running to govern sports. So, a dodge. A dodge. He tries to make. it sound like those of us who don't want. boys and girls sports are really just. trying to deprive our children of the. knowledge that there are gender confused. people running around out there who call. themselves trans something. Uh that's. not it at all. It's a safety and. fairness issue and he's dishonest. He's. lying. Uh so but here's here's here's.

one of the many reasons why the Michigan. race is so interesting. On the one side, you got Mike Rogers who, as I say, is. your old school neocon Republican. I. mean, straight out of the Fox News. playbook, circa 2010. Um, so pro-. Israel, he's reportedly got two people. working for him right now, reports, drop. site news, and they dropped the receipts. on this, who are registered as foreign. agents for Israel. Uh uh not long ago, the Mike Rogers campaign denied that.

this person, Abigail Ronson, who's the. spokesperson for him, was in fact. working for him. But they point out in. this well sourced report that in fact. she has been making statements as a. campaign spokesperson to media outlets, including to drop site news, using an. official Rogers campaign email address. And the New York Times as recently at. this as the as this week also got one. from her. So she does work for the. Rogers campaign. And then there's. another one too registered as foreign. agents for Israel. So I mean as pro-.

Israel as you can get on team red. But. this is in a state that's more blue. And. you know the entire Democratic party and. the vast majority over 80% of. independents now are very Israel. critical. Very not Jewish critical. And. I would urge everybody to understand the. difference on that. Okay. Whatever your. frustrations are about BB Netanyahu and. what Israel has done in fighting this. war, Five Fronts and so on, has nothing.

to do with your average American Jewish. person. Okay? Nothing. If you're if. there are Jews here in America, there. are Christians, there are others who've. decided to make Israel their top issue. But the vast majority of Jewish. Americans are living their own lives, not living or dying based on what. happens with BB Netanyahu. They're. worried about their kids like you and I. are. They're worried about having enough. money for a vacation here or there. They're worried about paying their. health care, all that. So, just let's be. super clear on the difference. Um, in.

any event, there's Rogers. On the other. side, you got you got Elsai who has. again all these ties to the M Muslim. Brotherhood which extremely. controversial organization and you know. we've done countless segments with Ayan. Hers Ali and others on their connection. to Islamicism you know Islamicism I. think I'm saying that correctly but like. if you're an Islamist that's different. from being a Muslim now some people will.

argue this but if I mean if you are a. true devote. and you are you're really following the. edicts of the Quran. Uh you are in. seriously controversial territory when. it comes to western values, treatment of. women, the separation of church and. state and sure your feelings in some. corners about Jews and I do mean Jews in. this context. So, I understand the. hesitation, the concern, the questions. that some Jewish Americans have about.

him. Um, but the overwhelming base of. the Democrat party and the independents. are very critical of Israel and they. care more about separating our country. from that one when it comes to foreign. policy decisions and how money is spent. and so on than they do about virtually. anything else. So, Democrats in Michigan. are that's why I think they're leaning. toward Elsad and away from Mike Rogers.

And that's why they're very angry at. Haley Stevens for making this. declaration, telegraphing to those. pro-Israel Democrat voters who feel. really torn, and I get it. Um, that it's. okay to vote for the Republican. And. while I don't think she's an influential. figure, you know, could she have some. sway on some some swath in the middle in. a very very tight race? Potentially. I. guess I guess certainly the Democrat. party is reacting like she does because. they're all so mad at her. Um though.

Elsad in the wake of her endorsement of. Rogers has received over a million. dollars in new campaign donations and. there is some question about whether it. has backfired. So we will see in. Michigan. how the voters actually feel and how. this issue is going to be divided. You. know when I I don't know what I do in. Michigan. I I I just I could never p. pull the lever for Elsa, but I am very. very very over the neocon Republicans. Very over. And I look at those two men. and I think, okay, Elsa wants to.

endanger my daughter by putting boys in. her sports and Mike Rogers wants to. endanger my son by sending him off to go. fight another foreign war in the Middle. East because that's what Republican. neocons have done, which I am completely. against. So, I'm glad I don't live. there. Um, I vote in Connecticut and I. will be voting Republican up and down. the line, but I it's it's not easy. I. mean, here they they have no chance. So,

you actually don't think you're sending. anybody anywhere. Um, if I lived in a. state like Michigan, I I just I hate to. say it so cowardly, but I might stay. home because I wouldn't want the blood. on my hands. I don't I do not support. anybody who's going to get us involved. in another Middle East war or ramp up. the one that we started under President. Trump. I don't. Well, I think Mike. Rogers is a good man. He's way too. pro-war for me. And Elsed, he's a. cook. He's a far-left.

progressive nutcase DSA guy who is as. lunatic left as you can find on every. single cultural and social issue. he. 100% would be voting to pack the Supreme. Court, add Puerto Rico and DC as states. How could he support that? This is the situation we find ourselves. in. It's a binary choice. You got to. rank lessers of two e evils or kind of, you know, not voting too is in a way a. support of one sucks. I don't have the.

answer. Uh, okay. I want to keep going. I do want to tell you just the the final. thing about how now her supporters are. suggesting that um she's under the. coercive control of the fiance. Is this. a sound bite, Steve? Um. okay. Well, here's a bit. Here's Listen. to 19. This is former Stevens adviser. Caitlyn. Leaki talking about her relationship. with the fiance whose last name is.

Turkish. Listen here. I don't know if. it's abusive. I It's absolutely toxic. Um I, you know, I've spoken to some of. Haley's close personal friends who are. concerned that it is emotionally. abusive. She's increasingly isolated. You know, her campaign staff is no. longer around. Uh her official staff got. cut out of all the decision-m and you. know, they were as surprised as anyone. by this. So, she's on an island with. this guy who's like not very nice to. her. um you know like on the campaign he.

would always show her. the meanest tweets about her like what. the Every time somebody would. tweet something nasty he would send it. to her and then she would send it to us. and be like why are they saying this. about me? And it was just so clearly. designed to spin her up to make her. distrustful of the people around her to. make her think that nobody actually. cared about her. So, you know, she's now. isolated from her staff, isolated from a. lot of her friends in Congress, like. isol isolated from a lot of her friends.

in Michigan now. So, there's the. narrative. She doesn't have agency. It's. the nasty husband who's like coercively. controlling her. Here's a little bit. more in 19b. This is um her last name is. McMurro. She ran in the primary against. Say and um she and and Stevens and she. lost. And also Debbie Dingles there. She's the congresswoman from Michigan. She actually went on with Anderson right. after that Haley Stevens exchange and. was like a deer in the headlight. She.

was scared shitless. What's wrong with. all these women? Own it. Grow up. Own. your opinion and spew it. You know, like. I like God, it's very frustrating to me. to see weak women. I can't stand it. Here's 19B. I've known Haley for a long. time and I don't know her fiance. I I. don't. But to see. him out there so publicly, I mean, I can. only speak for for myself. Um, but my.

husband and I talked about this and and. my husband said if he ever tried to. speak for me the way that we see. happening now, he's like, "You you would. leave me.". >> Sure. Uh, it's it's hard to watch. It is. >> Is it hard for you to watch as well, Congresswoman Dingle? And we'll get to. the issues. I just want to. >> No, it is. It's very hard. Haley Stevens. told me at midnight last night, this was. all a rumor and was not true. >> That she would go with Rogers. >> Correct. >> And then 5 hours later,

>> correct, >> she's standing shoulder. >> She texted me at 7:45, "Watching you on. uh MS Now. Heart, heart, heart. And by. the way, I I talked to Look, I'm just. upset. I'm very concerned. It's sad, but. I I don't want to be distracted anymore, but what I said on CNN, she scripted. with me and approved last night. >> Okay. So, she something made her reverse. and they're going to go with it was the. husband. Here's a couple more. Um,

former Governor Blanchard, who's a. friend of Haley Stevens, describes a. serial 48 hours. Former Michigan. Governor Jim Blanchard, longtime friend. and supporter of Haley Stevens, says he. was having dinner with her on Friday. with her and the fiance and that Stevens. was excited to attend the church service. with Jim Clyurn and Abdul Elsed. Now, keep in mind she hadn't received the. ejection to use her word. Oh, wait. Now, that was just a mistake. She had not. been rejected or stiff armed by Abdul.

yet from the Sunday service. Blanchard. said that Stevenson's fiance, Jason. Turkish, began chiding her at the. dinner. He was working her over. The way. he was saying it was, "Everyone is. disappointed in you. They did everything. they could to help you. And then. immediately after you lose the primary, you endorsed him. He was all. distraught." He said he was all strung. out about Abdul. I let her know he's not. a good influence. Oh, thanks, former. Governor Blanchard, for telling me my. fiance's not a good influence on me.

Sure that went over well. Blanchard. remained in touch with Stevens. throughout the weekend and expected her. to attend the church service. He only. found out from the news that she was at. the service with Rogers and endorsing. him. Something snapped in her. She's. going to be on Snapped in the next week. and it snapped in 24 hours. Blanchard. told Zack Gorchow of state affairs. and. I don't know what Blanchard clearly. pained by the situation said several. times this is not the Haley I know and.

lamented Turkish's quote terrible. political judgment. One more for you. Jordan Ecker, by the way, her uh former. campaign manager and half of her staff. has left immediately. They were so. horrified that she endorsed Mike Rogers. I mean, I don't blame them. It's like if. you were working for Donald Trump and. then suddenly Donald Trump said, "You. know what? I'm I'm not endorsing JD or. Marco. I'm endorsing AOC, he'd probably. flee his administration, too. That's how. they see it. This person, Jordan Aker,

is serving as a regent at the University. of Michigan. He's a former attorney in. the Obama administration. Says he's a. friend of Haley Stevens. Posted the. following on X. Um, yesterday morning, afternoon, and evening, I spoke with. Haley several times. At 8:58 this. morning, she told me she intended to. remain silent. I don't know. This had to. be yesterday morning because it was. yesterday that she announced she was. going for Rogers. I don't know what. changed in the two hours that followed. I want to believe she was being truthful.

with me. I've known her fiance, Jason. Turkish, for for years. I respect him as. a brilliant lawyer and advocate for. disabled Americans. He's legally blind. But I have become deeply troubled by his. behavior. I've heard serious concerns. about the treatment of Haley's staff, friends, and allies. My own experiences. have only deepened those concerns. It's. painful to watch someone you care about. go through something like this. It is. even more painful to worry about the. influence in those of those close to. her. I don't know what happened this. morning and I won't pretend that I do. Haley is my friend. I'm deeply concerned.

for her well-being. She deserves. dignity, independence, and the freedom. to make her own decisions. Oh, come on. This is ridiculous. Haley, blink twice if you're in there. Can you see me? Say Michigander. Like, come on. And this is ridiculous. Her. friends are so worried she's being heave. hoed right out of the Democratic party, which is what's happening, that they're. trying to blame the Jewish fiance, who. was the first to say he was voting for. Rogers. Come on. This is ridiculous.

Blah blah blah blah. It goes on for. here. Turkish, by the way, is president. and managing partner of Nimon Turkish. PC, which is a law firm specializing in. litigation, disability law, and social. security claims. Uh they met he and she. after the 2022 election cycle through a. mutual friend. Uh their first. conversation centered on tax credit. legislation like all great romances do. Stevens was pursuing. um this legislation to help seniors and.

people with disabilities make their. homes more accessible. A friendship. developed with the pair talking. regularly turned romantic in early 2026. amid Steven's Senate campaign. They. decided to marry in May, but waited. until after the primary to announce. their engagement. And as I mentioned, he is Jewish. His. father was born in Israel, where their. relatives still live, and his. grandparents were Holocaust refugees. Uh. the two of them planned a trip to Israel. to meet survivors of the 107 attacks,

including visiting the site of the music. festival targeted in southern Israel. He's uh he lives in a suburb of Detroit. There you go. That's the latest from the. Michigan race. Want to keep going. because there's a lot of other news uh. happening today. Geez, where do I begin? Um it doesn't look good. The latest. polls, as I mentioned, are absolutely. dreadful for Republicans. Um. if you look at the latest polls, you. will just feel depressed. I have to tell.

you, it's basically Dems plus four, five. up to seven in virtually every single. race except for Alaska and possibly. Iowa. Um, so the thing of like the last. breaking minute thing, it's happening. and they're all breaking toward the. Democrats. Okay, so that's could be a. blood bath tomorrow. If it's not, polling is dead. the Alaska Senate race, the fake Dan Sullivan, you know, the one.

who was like in the remote town who got. recruited by the Pelah campaign, she's. the Dem, to run against the incumbent. Republican Senator Dan S. Sullivan. He's. missing. He's scrammed. You cannot make it up. Um, the Daily. Mail reports that he has disappeared. from the tiny fishing town of Petersburg. where he lives as of earlier this week. Uh, we have no idea where he is. A.

source told CBS that she saw him flying. to Anchorage on Monday, just days before. the bombshell reports accused or broke. the story. His final destination, however, remained and remains unclear. They point out in this piece that other. Petersburg residents, this is his town. where he lives in Alaska, never received. any campaign ad materials, not a single. flyer, not a single brochure from the. former school teacher. Um, one fisherman.

told CBS, "I don't think it's a serious. candidacy. I have not seen a platform. You've caught on, sir. Good for you.". Uh, another called Dan J. Sullivan, the. faker, a hoaxer. or as the Daily Mail. refers to him, Dan Sullivan 2.0, which I. liked. Um, so he's out. He's But he's. still on the ballot, so it doesn't. really matter where he is, except if. they need to arrest him, which they. might because the Trump administration. is seriously looking into both a civil.

lawsuit and a criminal probe. Both of. those. Uh the US attorney for the. district of Alaska, Michael Haymon, confirmed both a civil lawsuit and a. criminal probe, although not mentioning. the specific crime that's being. investigated. There are many. The best. one that people have mentioned is the. conspiracy against rights where you. conspire to deprive someone of their. constitutional right. Uh that seems to. be the favorite. Jonathan Turley on uh. Fox News. Do we have that you guys? Can.

you bring that over? Uh he was on Fox. News late last week. outlining, you know, some of the serious. problems that this behavior has raised. Mary Pelah came out, NPR had a sound. bite of her explicitly saying she didn't. know about it. That's the first we've. heard her say that because her chief of. staff, who she fired, is the main source. for all this. And it's not just some. bitter ex employee. She provided the New.

York Times with text messages and emails. and dates and other people who could. confirm the meetings, the many meetings. Mary's top top staffers were having in. order to make this happen. And she wants. us to believe she had nothing to do with. it. Well, we'll see about that. We we. will see because the US attorney and. their investigators have subpoena power. So, it's not like the New York Times. They actually can make Mary Potollah. answer these questions under oath and. can get her emails and her text message. and her entire cell phone for that.

matter. She's in a lot of trouble and. Dan S. Sullivan, the incumbent senator, is actually seems to be benefiting a bit. from this whole controversy because. Alaskans are pissed. She's a liar at a. minimum. She's been saying all along the. campaign had nothing to do with it and. now she's been outed. And I don't. believe her that she didn't know. anything about it. Do you? I mean, do. you believe that? I don't believe that. For one second, she knew. You're telling. me the chief of staff and all these. staffers are working on it and she has. no idea. Like, gee, where are the staff?

What meeting are they having? Bull. It's. not some huge thing either. It's not. like she had 200 staffers. It's like a. small group who worked directly for her. She knew. She had to have known. Here's. Turley on Fox last Friday. >> These 30 subpoenas is equivalent of a. saturation bombing campaign. 30. subpoenas is a lot. and they are hitting. every possible target here, which is one. of the reasons why the lawyers of this. campaign should remove themselves. immediately uh because they're going to. have to lawyer up and most importantly.

they have a conflict of interest at this. point that is probably insurmountable. Now, putting a a a decoy candidate on. the ballot is not a crime, but filing. things about that action, concealing it. can be. You can trip a lot of wires. here. Now that the subpoenas are out, there's going to be a lot of people. talking to federal investigators, saying. false things. The federal investigators. is a darling of prosecutors. It's a. violation of 18 USC1.

And some of these people are going to. cooperate. Mary, Mary, they're closing in. It's getting a. little hot in here, isn't it? It's. getting hot in Alaska. So, that will. conclude the amount of good news there. is for Republicans in advance of. tomorrow night. I'll give you the polls. The final New York Times polls. Texas. has Taler Rico up seven over Paxton. Michigan, they're showing Elsa up 11.

over Mike Rogers. Maine, the cousin. stipper, Troy Jackson up six over Susan. Collins. The article does note polls are. imperfect. Six years ago, Miss Collins. had trailed in every survey before the. election and she still won re-election. comfortably. That's certainly a dynamic. for her in particular. So, do not count. Susan Collins out, especially over that. dude. Ohio, they've got Sherid Brown up. five over John Huad. Nobody knows who.

John Huad is. He took JD Vance's seat. when he went to be Trump's VP. All we. know is that he has a nice ass and Trump. really admires it. Truly, that's what. people know about John Huad. Shared. Brown was the rep was the Democratic. senator before. People still think that. he's the senator. He's got very strong. name recognition out there and. unfortunately that may be helping him as. he's up five over Houston Kansas. Uh. Adam Hamilton up five over Roger. Marshall. So Adam Hamilton is the.

preacher who he's running as a Democrat. but he used to be a Republican. He's, you know, very moderate to put it. mildly. He's apparently very well-liked, like universally well-liked, and has a. real shot in Kansas, even though they. haven't elected a Democrat to the US. Senate in a hundred years. Let me tell. you what Roger Marshall did this. weekend, this making bad headlines. They unleashed an attack on him saying, okay, he's a doctor, that he went after.

some patients with bill collectors and. actually like sicked criminal penalties. on some of them. you you get negative ads. I don't know. Like some of them you respond to if they. really hurt you. Most you just kind of. let that's what I do. People launch. negative attacks on me all the time. 99%. of them I just ignore and they go away. and that's fine. Um this guy went to his. staff and said, "We got to respond. We. got to respond." And they reportedly. said, "No, no, no, no, no. Roger. We. don't got to respond. Just there's so. much coming at the voters right now. Just stay on message. Positive stuff.

What are you going to What are you going. to do for the voters?" And he apparently. did this himself. hired the camera crew, cut it himself, and released it himself. When you watch the first couple lines, you're like, "Oh, I see why he did it.". Then you get to them about like 15% in, and you're like, "Holy now I see. why they told him not to." Watch. >> I'm Dr. Roger Marshall, and you should. know the truth about Adam Hamilton's. ads. They're faults, plain and simple. When I practice as a small town OB dock, often serving as the only OB in the.

middle of 40,000 people, my wife and I. decided to take care of everyone. regardless of their ability to pay. We. wrote off hundreds of bills monthly and. one of every five patients received free. care. Now, to ensure that 40,000 canons. would still have access to care, we did. have to keep the lights on. So, we. occasionally handed some accounts over. to collection agency, just like nearly. every private medical practice does. To. be crystal clear, the Kansas Bill of. Rights ensures that no one can go to. prison because of indebtedness, and I.

would never wish that on any patient I. had the privilege to serve. My. involvement in any patient's account. ended the minute it was turned over to. an outside agency. I never had anyone. arrested, not once. And Adam Hamilton. knows it. Kansas deserves to know the. truth. And now you do, >> sir. That was not a good idea. It was so. defensive. And of course, it only amplifies. the negative attack on him. So, it's. really not a good idea. Not a good idea,

sir. Um, okay. He is down. As I said, five. points to this Adam Hamilton who seems. like a smart bet at the moment. In. Alaska, I mentioned Alaska and Iowa, the. only two places with good information. for Republicans. Showing Pelola up two. over Sullivan in Alaska. That's margin. of error. Of course, Iowa showing Josh. Turk up one over Ashley Henson. I have. yet to find anybody who doesn't think.

Ashley Henson, the Republican, is going. to win. Uh, so that would be the safer. bet there. There's much more to discuss. We'll put a pause in it for now cuz we. got to take a break, but we will be. right back. Don't go away. Hey, thanks for watching today's full. episode. If you're new here, throw us a. subscribe. See what you think. Stay in. touch. There's plenty more goodness. where this one came from. As always, we. really do value your feedback. So, email. me, too. Meganme. kelly.com or just leave a comment down. below. I do read them. I meander over.

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in 2009. Okay. So that this would would. have been I mean according to her her. name was Ilan Omar marrying Akmed. Nurased Elme. They got their hands on the on a. certified copy from the Henipin County. Minnesota government that shows they say. initially her surname was written as. Omar. And then you will see on this. graphic she crossed it out and replaced. that with Elme. Then it looks like a. final edit reverted it back to Omar.

Again, my friends, she did not know what. her name was. She was not able to fill. out a basic form from the look of it. She's got Ilon very clearly over there. on the left. So, it's not like she. thought this was the line for the. husband's name. She writes Ilon and then. she cannot decide on the middle name and. the last name. And you can see there,

sure enough, there is an Omar. See where. it says Omar over on the far right? Well, two below that, there's two things. crossed out right below it. One looks. like Elme, and the thing below that. looks like Omar again. So, it's like she. and Abdullah. Abdullah AI is her alleged. middle name under her Ilan Omar moniker. It's Ilan Abdullah Ai Omar. So she.

decided ultimately to go with the name. that she had that she's been using that. I assume she got her naturalized. citizenship under. But you can see even. this woman doesn't know what her middle. name is. And the first attempt seemed to. do the same thing. She used to, it seems. like the first crack at it was Ilan. Abdullah Ai Omar. Then she crossed. crossed out Abdullah Ai Omar and appears. to have written something Elme. I think it's probably Sed because the.

name is Nur say Elme though I can't read. what's scribbled out there. And. ultimately she goes back to that name of. Ilan Abdullahi Omar. This is incredible. I mean, she the woman doesn't even know. her name. But here's the problem. She. didn't want to lie on an official. document. So, she clearly was wrestling. with which one to put down. This is just. one one P in a whole soup of P's that.

will ultimately be be felt by Elana Omar. when the full extent of the law comes. down against her. The criminal. investigation remains underway. And. speaking of criminal investigations, there is news now in the case of Thomas. Markle Senior, the father of Meghan. Markle, who's married, of course, to. Prince Harry. The Daily Mail, as we came. to air on Friday, had discovered a trove. of boxes and materials containing what. it said were clear child sexual abuse.

materials in Thomas Markle's abandoned. Rosarto, Mexico storage unit. um they got access to it because if you. have one of those units and you stop. paying and you are considered to have. abandoned it, it's basically somebody. else's to grab and they rolled the dice. and got lucky down there as journalists. Well, now Mexican authorities have gone. into the unit and the Daily Mail reports. that Guardia Nasanel officers who. identified themselves as state sex.

crimes investigators swooped in on the. 5' x 10 ft vault 3 miles from Thomas. Markle's former home in Rosarto just. after midnight local time a day ago. It. was rented to her father in 2017. He. fell behind in the payments two years. ago. He moved to the Philippines in. early 2025 without emptying the storage. facility. The Daily Mail's tip off. prompted an immediate investigation. involving both US and Mexican officials.

As we reported to you first last week, FBI agents are working out of the Tampa. field office that was broken by the MK. show. Close to uh the Lakeland, Florida. senior living residence where Thomas. Markle is staying after having his left. leg amputated in December 2025 in the. Philippines. Um obviously the FBI would. have jurisdiction if he is currently in. the United States, which he is, and is. suspected of having child sexual abuse. material on him here. or we would be. working with our foreign partners if.

they had a viable criminal case against. him and needed assistance in making an. arrest. Um, the Daily Mail reports that. also involved are Southern. California-based FBI officials whose job. it is to coordinate law enforcement. activity with their counterparts south. of the border. Rosarto is apparently. only 10 miles south, so not too far from. California. A copy of the search warrant. has been obtained by the mail. Uh it. reveals investigators were authorized by. a judge to look for quote evidence. consisting of child sexual abuse.

material and the alleged commission of. the crime of human trafficking in its. aggravated form. One agent visibly. recoiled and declared I cabon a Spanish. phrase that can mean holy crap or oh. damn while viewing the material. according to an onlooker. It's no joke. A lot of these guys, and it can be. women, too, but who work in child sexual. abuse units. are can can have serious emotional.

problems. They don't last very long. I. mean, imagine if this were your job. You. had to look at these images all day and. you did it in order to catch bad guys. But unlike these perverts, you you found. it nauseating. You know, you you. recoiled upon even just a few images of. it like this guy did, although it seems. like there were more than a few in the. storage facility. But imagine if this. were your job all day, every day. It's. no wonder they don't last long in these. units. Uh so this cop obviously.

disturbed by what he found. They. itemized all the material, a computer, thumb drives, VHS tapes, a stack of. magazines before closing up and sealing. the unit. Now, they say that the public. prosecutor in Mexico will submit a. written report to the court within one. day, but it is expected it will take. weeks to examine all of the seized. items. Um, now Thomas Markle just before. Saturday morning's raid was spotted. being pushed between care homes in. Florida. Uh, he told the Daily Mail on.

Saturday, "I had no storage units in. Rosarto." By the way, there are some. reports now that he is saying he has. dementia. He was accompanied by his daughter. Samantha Markle and her boyfriend Mark. Phillips. Mark Phillips decided to speak. with the press defending his. girlfriend's father. As Samantha sat. nearby but did not speak, reports the. Mail. He said, quote, "The only. statement that you're going to get is. that Thomas Markle doesn't even have. fingerprints on the stuff in the.

Philippines. He didn't even ever touch. it the whole time it was there. He can't. be charged. Markle never had it in. Mexico either. He says the FBI has no. jurisdiction in Mexico. Thomas Markle. Senior hasn't lived in the States in 10. years. Even if there was bad material, then the statute of limitations ran out. 5 years ago. This is all. Okay, remember the old too many excuses. means no excuse. We're there. Um there's.

no fingerprints in the Philippines. He. never touched it. He never had it the. stuff in Mexico. The FBI has no. jurisdiction there. He's lived outside. of the states for the past 10 years. But. even if there was bad material, the. statute of limitations has run. This is. all Um, caller me skeptical on. the Samantha Markle boyfriend claims. They've got a lot to deal with. Then. there was this report in the UK Times. that Megan allegedly wanted to go public.

in 2019, which you know we she's been telling. that story since the news broke two. Fridays ago about her father. Quote, but. was advised by the police not to do so. Now, this is parlaying on something. she's already claimed that she was shown. this letter by the Metropolitan Police. and and that through a friend she got. out that she was allegedly told to stay. quiet, which we don't believe because. the Met wasn't investigating it. Why. would they tell her to stay quiet? All.

they had was the ramblings of a first. wife who was an alcoholic, embittered, and apparently was seven-page single. space letter that was like really. ranting and raving. So, it seems like. one of those things where the. Metropolitan Police felt like they had. to forward it on to Megan, but like it's. starting to make a little bit more sense. now why it wasn't an all hands- on deck. situation. And it doesn't sound like. they necessarily believe this woman. That doesn't excuse them. I'm just. trying to understand.

their decision not to treat this as very. serious. Uh, seven pages handwritten, delivered by Post in January 19 to the. Mets fixated threat assessment center. This is all very curious. I mean, how. does this allegedly alcoholic first wife. who's elderly and rambling and bitter. know to to target the the the fixated. threat assessment center within Scotland. Yard within the Metropolitan Police? That doesn't make sense to me. Megan. would have known that. So, what. happened? Did the first wife, Roslin.

Loveless, contact Megan and say, "I've. got to got to tell somebody this stuff.". And Megan said, "Send it to them so I've. got cover." I don't know what happened. here, but there is zero chance that. Roslin Loveless knew exactly who to whom. to send this letter. Um, given her. alleged state, she alleges in this letter reports um. this publication. Again, I'm I'm reading here from the uh. UK Times that Thomas Markle had sex with.

a child in the US. Now, that we did not. know. We know from Megan's breakup. letter that she sent to her dad that was. read to him when he was in the. Philippines getting his leg removed in. December of 2025. In that letter, she. accused him of molesting children, which. we assumed she got from Rosyn Loveless's. letter of January 19. But now, this is. the first time we've heard that Loveless. accused Markle of having sex with a. child in America.

and that he regularly traveled to the. Philippines in Thailand because he. claimed that 12-year-olds are legal. there. That we had heard that she was. alleging that in the letter. They write. that it's understood that Megan 45 was. handed the letter by one of her royal. bodyguards who assured her, quote, "Leave it with us. We'll investigate. it." Okay. So now it's a bodyguard who. gave her the letter because the. information on this has been all over. the board. You know, she alleged that. someone wrote to the Metropolitan Police.

and that she was given the letter. Then. she had third parties clearly go to the. newspapers and say she was told that it. was being investigated and to stay. quiet. We among others called. on that saying why would the. Metropolitan Police say that to her when. we now know they were not investigating, they were never investigating. And now. we get this that one of her royal. bodyguards said, quote, "Leave it with. us. We'll investigate it." So she. thought her royal bodyguard was going to.

investigate her father who was living in. the Philippines at the time. No, in. Rosarto, Mexico at that time and then. moved on to the Philippines. Does that make sense? Doesn't to me. Do not get it at all. The same officer is said to have advised. the duchess not to go public at a time. when she was being criticized for. cutting ties with her father without any. explanation. On Saturday night, the. Metropolitan Police, which did not.

investigate, um was still trying to. identify and track down the officer. This group would only have been. interested in what it meant for the. security of the Duke and Duchess of. Sussex. Having assessed that they should. have thought about the wider. consequences. Um I don't know to whom. this quote is attributed. We should find. out. But um look this this is raising. more questions now. What which royal.

bodyguard? Who is it? Somebody who works. for the royal family to this day because. if that person told her allegedly that. leave it with us, we'll investigate it. Did the palace investigate it? What did. they know? And when did they know it? Why? Why should we let them off without. a scratch on them? If they knew, if the. royal bodyguard, who clearly works for. the royal family, knew and said that, they need to do a full investigation on. who it was and whether that's true or.

whether this is just leaked to. the UK Times by people trying to cover. for Megan Markle and and you know, who's. in a lot of trouble over admitting that. she knew that she knew. That was a policing source, says my team. who said the business about um this unit. would only have been interested in what. it meant for the security of the Duke. and Duchess and they should have thought. about the wider consequences. So again,

who within the unit who and do they. admit that they told her and all of this. is secondary because the real bottom. line is whether they told her any of. this or not, she knew for seven years that there was. no outcome. Why didn't she go back and. figure out what was what? Why didn't she. go back and say, "What happened with the. investigation that you told me you were. conducting? Was he guilty or not? Is an. arrest coming or not? Why or why not?".

This she cannot answer, which is why I. believe she's just having random friends. leak things to the Daily Mail. Um, okay. We're going to take a quick break, right? And we're going to come right. back. Uh we have more for you here, including we're going to be bringing in. our pilots uh to give us the very latest. on this horrific plane crash in Florida. Don't go away. Our sponsor, the. Electronic Payments Coalition, says. Washington politicians are always. getting in your wallet, and now they're.

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through what actually happened here. First though, want to get into what has. happened in the Russell Brand trial, which has now gone to the jury. The. jurors have been dismissed for the day, so they're not actually deliberating it. yet. You know, keep in mind the UK is a. few hours ahead of us, but um they've. recessed and the defense and the. prosecution are officially done. So, how. about that? I think in in total this was. four weeks. It was supposed to take. eight or nine, took four. And. I don't it's very difficult to assess.

the closing arguments without having. been in the room because the way a. lawyer communicates, the way he or she. argues, the the way they use inflections. on their words and so on matters. Also, who's got a better relationship. with the jury? You know, who's been more. charming. You know, we saw that in ke. with Kevin Readington. Now, we know that. that jury was made up of a bunch of. crazy leftist loons, but they bonded.

with him and the prosecutors in that. case were lackluster and they were tough. to bond with, but he was very good. I. mean, I I would never take that away. from him. I'm, you know, don't buy his. argument, but he's an excellent lawyer. He knew how to behave in front of a. jury. And the question here is, how are. they behaving? I imagine everything in a. British accent and with polish and with. some level of charm, but of course it's. an uphill battle for Russell because. it's very tough to charm your way out of.

multiple rape and sexual assault. allegations. So his lawyer has got a. steeper mountain to climb. Let's go. through what we know. Uh we gave you the. prosecution's closing on Friday. If you. care to hear about that, you can go back. and listen and listen to that show. It's. on YouTube right now. first and not just. first but throughout the defense lawyer. hit on the so-called documentary. I. mean, can I tell you this is like this. seems to be their main overall defense. And while I have to tell you like I.

don't find that persuasive as a defense, um I think it's a clever move because. it's exactly the kind of thing that if. you're looking to let Russell Brand off, you could you could make the argument in. the jury room, it was the documentary, it was that dispatches program. That's. what's the name of it. Um, that's that's. what misled people. That's what made. women reimagine their encounters with. him. It is the one thing that gives the. jury permission to reject all six. women's accounts if they're leaning that.

way, but don't feel they can because of. the evidence, etc. So, it is a clever. move. I see why they're doing it. I see. how the the so-called documentary was. very unfair to Russell. Believe me, I. just think it's tough to to suggest six. women saw it and were suddenly. rejiggered into into reimagining. something that they thought was. consensual into now suddenly it's rape. I'm more persuaded by Russell's.

political evolution causing some women. to reimagine what happened between. themselves and Russell. But whatever, that's just me. I'm not on the jury, so. you know, who cares? Who cares whether. I'm persuaded? Uh, let me give you the. highlights here. His lead barrista, Ian. Winter, recites an 1864 quote from. philosopher John Newman. What I insist. upon here, no, I can't do it. Now that I. am bringing this portion of my. discussion to a close, is this unmanly.

attempt of his, in his concluding pages. to cut the ground from under my feet. This I call poisoning the wells. He. points to the dispatch's program as. having poisoned the well of justice. He. tells the jury that Russell had. consensual sexual encounters with many, many women, asking jurors to put out of. your mind and any distaste. You may feel. for the way he lived his life that way. of living is not criminal. He urges them. to do what the journalists totally. failed to do. Put all condemnation.

completely out of the mind and apply. pure cold logic to the question, are we. sure? On the evidence we have seen, Brand did do what is alleged. He criticized the program as one-sided, produc produced in a dramatic manner. with actors playing the parts of. anonymous women making allegations. He. took umbrage with the description of it. as a documentary. So did Russell while. on the stand. He added that no. journalist spoke to Bran during the. making of it other than to pro protect. their defamation risk by asking him for.

a right of reply. and on from there. The. defense told the court, "Brand is. innocent.". Uh Casey Winter reminded the jury of. what he called the devastating impact of. the allegations against Brand, pointing. out that um in 2023 when all of this. hit, the hospital would not let him go. to the bedside of his baby son just. after he had undergone heart surgery. Such a pariah was he made by that quote. documentary.

He told the jury that when he Russell. told the jury when he gave evidence last. week that it was quote devastating to. have that happen. Um the blocking of. Bran from the hospital says Winter tells. you the extent to which public opinion. has been perverted and corrupted. If it caused doctors to shun him, how. many more people would have been caused. to ostracize Brand if doctors were. affected in this way? asks his lawyer. Winter tells the jury, "It caused people. to change what they thought about events. that had happened a very long time ago.

because they now see what has happened. through the lens of that program. It. caused people to shun Mr. Brand, positively wish him ill before his trial. took place, and refused to stand by him. and give evidence for him. You remember. Russell testified upon being asked by. Winter, "Could you find any witness to. come forward for you in this trial?" And. he said, "No. No one wanted to testify. on your behalf." and he said absolutely. no one and they were trying to make the. point he's been made a pariah like no. one will touch him with a 10-ft pole and.

perhaps that's the dynamic going on with. the complaintants in this case too. Um. he runs through each of the six. complainants in the case discussing. their evidence and suggesting the impact. of that program. was enormous on them. He quoted the. fifth complainant. This is the one who. accused him of an anal rape. Um, on. watching the program, she said, "It was. the first time I'd felt a monumental. change. I got it. It wasn't me." Winter.

asks, "One wonders what her evidence. would have been if she had not seen the. program." He says, "The six. complaintants are not random or. independent, as the prosecution has been. saying throughout its case and its. closing." He he says the prosecution put. great weight both in the opening and. closing about the fact that these women. all emerged independently. They don't. know each other. He added there is. nothing random at all about them. They. have all come forward because they have. been brought at the invitation of that.

program and they say the very existence. of these women is fundamentally. corrupted. the existence of them as. complainants is fundamentally corrupted. by that program and the publicity and. renders this fundamentally unfair. He. tells the jury it's quite surprising. that not one of the women who alleged. that they were raped by brand made that. complaint to him. He says it's one thing. not to report the incident to police or.

to one's employer, but to not make it. known to the alleged asalent is. something else. None of the complainants. quote resisted or screamed or even tried. to leave. He's saying, and there was. testimony to that effect. He's saying, "Does that sound like women who are. being raped, who weren't consenting, not not a single one resisted, screamed, or tried to leave, never mind confronted. Russell on it." Of the fifth. complainant, again, that same gal who. alleges this. Yeah. He says she didn't.

roll over or kick out or try to stop him. in any way from doing this to her. The. defense also flags the complainant's. words to her then boyfriend a few days. later. I own that I had made the. decision to go to his home. Brand was. seeking approval and adoration from. women, said his lawyer, Mr. Winter. It's. an extremely curious feature of this. case that out of many, many women Bran. had sex with from 99 to 2009, the period. of the charges, only three say they did.

not consent. He's using Russell's. enormous numbers in the sex field now to. benefit Russell. He had a goal of 5,000. Three women. Three say he didn't consent. out of 5,000. If this guy's running. around just randomly raping women. orally, vaginally, anally, wouldn't. there be more? Wouldn't there and. wouldn't there be testimony that there. had been resistance, screams, running, uh, accusations or attempts to leave,

which there weren't. He suggests that. that is a hole in the prosecution's. case, saying they don't have a case. thesis as to why Brand allegedly raped. these three women and none of the. thousands of others. He told the jurors, "What matters is Brand had an immense. amount of sex and none of it was. unlawful." He added, "Disgusting, distasteful, immoral. Who cares? It's. irrelevant to your consideration." He. had told the jury that living a highly. promiscuous life is entirely lawful,

however morally distasteful you may find. it. He returns to that theme now, saying, "Even being manipulative in the. pursuit of consensual sex is completely. lawful." Okay, he had to do this because. part of the testimony that had come out. was that was not good for Russell was on. complainant one who says she brought him. back to her hotel room after midnight. after seeing him perform at a leftist. labor event and Russell was some. entertainment. They went back there and. she didn't feel threatened by him. She.

felt sexually safe with him because she. thought he was gay. And then the. prosecutor in Crossing Russell brought. up a passage from Russell's book in. which he says he will sometimes act gay. to put women at ease around him. And. here you have his lawyer saying. even being manipulative in the pursuit. of consensual sex is completely lawful. He says Brand was seeking approval and. seeking adoration.

He rounds on the prosecution's case, saying that in desperation they they. turned to that autobiography. It's. called My Bookie of Russell's to use. what was written against him. Let me. just try to kill that off, says Winter. He tells the court in 2007, he wrote a. funny book, my bookie book. It contains. some jokes. He says the prosecution. wants the jury to take what he wrote. eight years after the event and somehow. use it as evidence of what he was doing. in 1999. He then asks, "Do you remember the.

photograph of Brand as a seven-year-old. child dressed somewhat effeminately? It. was so obviously a joke, but the joke is. it didn't work. That's the depth the. prosecution has had to stoop to to show. why complainant one invited Brand back. to the bed suit beds in the middle of. the night." When Brand was. cross-examined last week, the. prosecution accused him again of trying. to act gay to gain the trust of women. And the caption of that picture in the.

book reads, "This is the exact moment. when I decided to act gay to attract. girls. It took 15 years to produce. results." Showing the picture on the. board here for the viewing audience. The. defense discussed the discussed the. evidence of Helen Burgerer. That was. Bran's personal assistant who talked. about how he was obsessed with sex and. was constant never seemed satisfied. after he had it between 2006 and 2007. Winter said it's an unusual situation. where both the prosecution and defense. use the same evidence to show two.

completely different arguments, saying. the prosecution used Burger's argument. evidence to show that Bran's promiscuity. and insane and his insane sexual. appetite. The defense used it to. establish Bran's highly promiscuous and. insane sex appetite, but also the fact. that he was very open about what his. sexual needs were. Winter says Brand has. always been extremely open and public. about that promiscu promiscuity, pointing out that he's discussed it on. stage in his jokes and in his books, which is true. He says Brand was pushing.

boundaries. His comedy was fresh and. radical, and a lot of people found it. very, very funny. His onstage persona. was rooted in that honesty. Russell Bran's lawyer said this. The. women who accuse him described his. behavior as normal after the alleged. incidents and that this cannot have. occurred if he was guilty. They would. never use that word. He points out that. the first complainant who accuses Brand. of raping her in 1999 during that Labor. Party conference doubted she had been.

raped, saying she second-guessed herself. and told the police so when she. contacted them. It's simply not possible. for you to be raped and think it is. normal. He tells the court. The first. complainant previously said she behaved. normally on the day after the alleged. rape. He tells the jury this is a moment. when the window opens and a of. light comes through. A little of. the truth comes through. They thought it. was normal at the time. He tells the. court there's no evidence Brand is some. kind of a psychopath who rapes people. and thinks it's normal. The fact that he.

behaved normally during and after all of. those rapes tells you what you need to. know. He believed they were all. consenting. And by the way, his belief. is required. He has to have believed. that he did not have consent in order. for this to be rape. In the case of the. first complainant, he adds, "You would. have to be a psychopath to be raping. someone and asking them if they were. enjoying it at the same time." He says. Brand left his actual email address. Rapists do not do that. He left photos.

she had taken of him. Rapists do not. leave their photographs. and he kissed. her goodbye or tried to when he left. He said not one of the complainants. reported these allegations to the police. at the time, telling the jury, "If a. wrong has been done to you, you're. entitled to have it investigated. The. best moment you have of achieving a. conviction is at the time when the. evidence is at its freshest. It doesn't. get better sticking a massive 20-year. delay into the situation, does it?". He says the absence of a complaint just.

supports the defense's position. His lawyer returned to what he called. poisoning of the well. He opened the. closing argument by making that. reference. He says the failure to report. at the time has led to a monstrous. delay, which adds a second element to. the poisoning of the well. He puts it to. the jury that an understandable argument. for the delay would be there is no shame. in being the victim of a crime. I came. to understand that I bore no shame and. so reported it. But he says no. complainant has put forward that.

reasoning. He tells the jury they all. come forward for reasons of the TV. program, not for reasons personal to. themselves. That's true and it's a good. point. He complains of the rank. unfairness of trying to litigate. something so long after the event. Amen. Saying it's impossible now to know what. the allegations would look like if. raised closer to the event. the case. would be radically and fundamentally. different. He says there would have been. many witnesses to some of the alleged. incidents now all lost to the passage of.

time. It's true. That's why normally we. have statute of limitations that will. protect defendants from having to defend. their behavior some 25 years after the. fact. He tells the court that the delays in. reporting the allegations mean all. parties end up litigating in a quagmire. of doubt and decades old recollections. We invite you members of the jury to. remember that delay is a corruptor of. justice. It is in the way of justice. Some people will say justice delayed is. justice denied. What were you doing in.

1999? He asked them, telling them to put. their hand on their heart and consider. if they would be able to explain exactly. what they were up to back then. Very. fair point. He also says in opposition. to the prosecution's suggestions that. Brand has changed his evidence over time. that Brand has been completely. staggeringly honest with you. The. court's reminded that the fifth. complainant's phone number was in Bran's. phone as in 2012 with T space AP next to.

her name. Bran told the court during his. evidence last week that T stood for. tart, AP stood for anal play, and oh, two asterisks meant that it was an. interaction he did not want to forget. The fifth complainant we've been over. Ian Winter said the prosecution has. attempted to suggest the way this. woman's name was saved was fabricated. He counters this saying it would not be. in Bran's phone in 2012 unless she had. given it to him and saved her name in. that way. He sarcastically suggested to. the jury, "You think you're at some.

point going to get done for rape and so. you record her number in that way?". adding, "Would you really save it as. that if you were worried this woman was. going to come back and accuse you of. rape someday?". Basically, how stupid could Russell be? Not Not stupid is what his lawyer is. saying. It's a good argument. Ian tells. the jury that details in the case. really, really matter. The details are. what makes you sure. When they add up, they make you sure. When they don't,

they're in doubt. He points out what he. terms inconsistencies in the first. complaintant allegations that make it. impossible to convict in this case. Again, that's back to the one who. alleges vaginal rape. The woman alleges. she was raped after this conference. He. points out the date the alleged rape. took place is missing or shrouded in the. depths of time. He suggests her evidence. is unreliable as to what day the rape. took place, a Wednesday, a Thursday, a. Friday. He says she couldn't remember.

what day she got home either. He staying on the first witness here. Um. Oh, actually no. This is this is. Russell's. friend Mark Panero, a former roommate of. Russell's who he was the first witness. for the prosecution. And he remember. testified that Russell wanted to get the. hell out of Dodge the next day. seemed. like he, you know, suggesting he had. something to run from. He says the jury.

should discount Mark's evidence. He told. the court that Brand was actively acting. strangely on the morning after the. alleged rape, ducking and diving, hiding. from police sirens. Tells the court. Brand did not run away. What's Brand. supposed to be doing? Running and. dodging for hours and hours and hours. He says, "The truth is that Brand would. have needed to check out by 10:00 a.m. Adding the details are what really. matter." He says, "We invite you to. conclude there is no evidential basis to. conclude Mr. brand raped complainant. number one. He says the complainant's. repeated use of the phrase quote her.

office to describe her bedsit, which I. think just means her her bedroom in the. hotel is because there is a real problem. with her describing it as her bedroom. because then she would have invited a. stranger back to her bedroom after. midnight on the night she met him. Winter goes on, she invited him back and. she consented to sex. The defense moved on to the second. complainant who accuses Brand of. attempted indecent assault in 2001 when. she says he tried to drag her into a.

toilet at MTV. Remember this is the nut. case. I'm sorry. This woman's a nut. She's like, "He grabbed my arm and he. tried to pull me into the bathroom and. all these years she's been saying she. thought it was to have consensual sex. Now suddenly it's to rape me. He was. trying to drag me. All these, you know, 20 years I said it was for consensual. Now I say no rape.". He says. he he says uh he was behaving like a. crazy lunatic,

but when she put her foot down and said. no way, he accepted it. The defense also. points to a piece of courtroom theatrics. during the prosecution's closing speech. on Friday when Realel Carmy Jones, she's. the prosecutor, used a stopwatch to time. 20 seconds of silence, demonstrating to. the jury the number of seconds the. complaintant says Bran battled to pull. her into the mail toilet. He said, "You. were treated to 20 seconds of silence, but it was not silence at the time of. the alleged attempted indecent assault. Instead, he says Brand was pleading, begging, and asking her to go in." The.

lead defense barrister added, "She now. obviously genuinely believes she would. have been assaulted or worse, in that. bathroom." That's what she says. Uh he. says, "But the defense's case is that. the women have reimagined what it has. characterized as consensual encounters.". Uh okay, turning to the third complainant who. alleges that she was forced into giving. him oral sex in a bathroom stall. He. says there are two essential problems.

with this woman's case. As a reminder, the woman claims. the lawyer says she did not tell anyone. Bran had grabbed her breasts or raped. her in the mouth until September 2023. He calls it a very curious thing that. she did not give full details when she. called a friend in the early hours of. the morning to tell him what had. happened, but failed to say that she had. been orally raped. Pressing the point of. the importance of lack of consistency, Winter tells the jury, "Consistency, I'm. only banging on about it because it's. fundamental.".

And she had earlier been telling people. Russell tried to get her to give him. oral sex. It only changed to he forced. me to after she saw the documentary. Discussing the allegations of. complainant number three, he said in. September 2023, 19 years after the. alleged assault and rape, she gets wind. of the forthcoming TV program. He. highlights a text she sent to friends. saying people were calling and texting. her to tell her about the program. He. reminds the court that she said in. evidence, "I managed to get away before. he could properly do anything to me.".

that she had said that managed to get. away before he could properly do. anything to me. He says this is. consistent with what Brand himself says. Nothing significant happened. The lawyer. suggests the complainant's description. of Brand to her sister that his quote. eyes had gone completely blank. This is. in 2023 and appeared to be possessed had. been influenced by the program. The. woman said in her evidence that after. the alleged oral rape in the in the bar. toilets, she got into a car with Brand. and others to go to another bar. He.

asked, "How remotely possible if you had. just been raped in the mouth that you. get into the asalant's car? It is. completely inconceivable that you would. choose the car instead of going home. She chose the car. She chose not to say. anything to anyone in the car. She chose. to go into the barfly. In the bar, Brand. was distracted. Maybe by other women. there. Maybe she got rejected. Who. knows?". staying on the third complainant. He. said uh he watched it and that it would. have caused her to think about her. encounter with him. We do know that she.

knew that something was coming about. Brand and that it was about him being a. rapist or a sexual assaulter. It would. cause her to think, "What is it that. happened to me?" He tells the jury the. woman had not told her sister about the. alleged oral rape until after the. program. Did she get that from her. memory? something she had never. professed before or was the well. poisoned? This is very effective. He's. threading the same argument through each. of the women's testimonial. He. highlights a text she sent to a friend.

saying people were calling and texting. her to tell her about the program. He. reminds the court the third complaintant. said in evidence, "I managed to get away. before he could properly do anything to. me." He says that's consistent with Bran. saying nothing happened. Uh, okay. Third complainant. Ba. Yes. Okay. I told you all of this. On to the fourth complaintant. This. woman felt that alleged that she he felt. her up at a bar like all over her her.

breasts and sort of kissing her. Uh he. says this woman's allegations are more. akin to someone jumping out from behind. the bins or to a maniac jumping on you. as you come out of your place of work. He says it happened in front of up to. five people. And it's telling she did. not say she said anything to those. people, but simply looked at a woman who. she said was with brand, but who did. nothing. He asked why she didn't. verbalize to those people, why are you. doing nothing to a woman in trouble or. call them to help her and immediately. take action to raise it with her.

employers. He says, as with the other. complaintants, she was affected by the. documentary. The exaggeration is the. direct consequence of that program. He drew her attention, their attention. to her description of Brand is of. average height. No one could say Brand. is of average height. He told the jury. he's 6'2. His conclusion to the jury is. we reject we we invite you to reject. this sham, this claim. Sorry, this claim.

Okay. The fifth complainant. She's. deeply problematic. There should. absolutely be no conviction on. complainant number five who accuses. Brand of anally raping her. The lawyer says she was an obsessed fan. Says people would give her her birthday. gifts wrapped in photos of Russell. You. may think that completely clouded her. judgment and caused her to behave in the. way she behaved in the dressing room. Extraordinary behavior which can only be. explained by that level of fan behavior. Of course, they heard what she did to. his backside within two seconds of.

meeting him naked in the dressing room. Directing the jury to photo shared on. Facebook of the complainant taken on the. night of the gig. and chuckling. slightly, Winter says, "She was on the. face of it having a fantastic time with. a star she was obsessed with." He said, "The question is, did the fifth. complainant consent or may she have. consented? What matters to you is the. evidence at the time. She went to his. house the week after the threesome in. his dressing room. She went there. She. was prepared to do whatever he wanted.". He says it was for that reason she now. blames herself. She he quotes what he.

called a graphic line given by the. complainant in her evidence. Even the. horror in people's faces when I later. told them what had happened was not. enough to make me believe I didn't. deserve it. She didn't feel she'd been. raped. She felt discarded and used said. Ian Winter. He mentions the evidence of. the woman's former boyfriend who in his. police statement said she quote came. around to anal sex. In another dig at. journalists, he said the ex-boyfriend's. police interview shows how fundamentally. important it is. That when you have. police officers taking these types of.

statements when they are in the hands of. journalists, you have no idea what they. are. She went there and she consented. and she wished and wished she hadn't. done it. Flagging a voice note she later. left in which she said she had not. understood at the time that what she. alleges happened is considered rape. The. defense says that if the complainant. thought she was consenting, then Bran. too would have been under that. impression. They spoke about the sixth and final. complainant. This woman said Bran.

sexually assaulted her when she was. working at Channel 4 on a project with. him in 2009, asking her for a massage, putting his head in her lap. They heard. that Bran's breath felt hot on her. genital area. The defense lawyer said he. asked very few questions of the woman. because Brand has said he cannot. remember the alleged incident at all. He. said no sexual assault took place. It. was just a massage, a thoroughly. inappropriate one, but not a sexual one. Flagging an inconsistency in the. complainant's evidence, he said she told.

a Sunday Times journalist she was. wearing a chunky jumper, meaning. sweater, and a pair of jeans at the time. of the alleged incident. Later told. police in the court she was wearing. black cotton trousers. He says this was. after the dispatch's TV program. When. she spoke to the journalist, there was. no vaginal breathing mentioned, adding, "Vagal breathing does not exist as a. concept at this point in her story. Unless the sexual breathing element of. this offense can be provided, it's just. a massage." Winter calls the alleged.

sexual assault the perfect example of. the poisoning of the well. The woman. didn't say anything that fundamentally. makes it a crime ever until seeing the. program. This was not a crime. His. lawyer again raises the question of how. there are only three rape allegations. when Brand had sex with many, many. women. How is it that none of these. claims came to light during Me Too? It. could not have been more publicized. How. was it that none of them thought that. what happened to them had been a crime. during Me Too? Referring to the program. again, he says they needed to be told.

the things in the program to make the. jump. Coming to the end of his argument, he invites the jury to conclude that. there is a fundamental failure on behalf. of the prosecution to build a case. thesis for why Brand quote raped just. three women in isolated occasions over. 10 years when he had sex with many women. completely consensually. He commends. Bran for what he calls his striking. honesty. He tells the jury that. promiscuity is lawful, adding that it is. the point of the law to draw the line.

between lawful and criminal. He says, "Criminality occurs when there is no. consent." Adding that means that. everything else is lawful. It is, I am. afraid, lawful to be unkind while having. sex or after having sex or after having. sex. It is, I am afraid, lawful to be. disrespectful or rude or to behave like. a crazy idiot. It is lawful unless and. until it becomes non-consensual. That is why this case needs solid, consistent, reliable evidence that Mr. Bran took what he wanted from these. women without their consent. He did not.

do so. And not one of these women. alleged that he had behaved criminally. toward them until very many, many, many. years had gone by and only did so once. the well of justice had been corrupted. and contaminated by the TV program until. the ground went from under his feet and. the public mind poisoned against him. None of them came forward at the time. They did so after his final words to the. jury. We invite you to return a verdict. of not guilty.

Praying for Russell. I don't know, guys. The UK is even woker. than we are. And I don't know anything about the jury. other than, you know, they have been led down a path by the. mere presentation of all six of these. witnesses together. Uh that tells them.

the judge is on the side of the women. and. that the women are somehow brave and. courageous if you listen to any of the. media reports. and Russell's politics have been well. publicized in a left-leaning country. that is not going to be inclined to like. him. I am very worried that Russell's going. to be convicted and sentenced to a. lengthy prison term. The jury officially. begins its deliberating tomorrow and we.

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horrific, but the audio is I mean it's. just it's too much to bear. We're going. to start with what was captured on a. dash cam as the crash occurred. This was. posted by a person named Aki Kusto. >> What in the. >> Just looks like a missile out of the sky. and then a fireball. Something just fell down.

>> It happens so quickly. It's It's not. There's nothing slow-mo about it. And if. you've seen it online, you know what I'm. talking about. Dash cam footage of the. plane. It It's just so quick. And so we. slowed it down here. You can see that it. was in fact a jet that crashed nose. first into the ground, erupting into a. fireball. Thomas Chapman from the National. Transportation Safety Board, which will. investigate this crash just a few.

moments ago, spoke about what we do know. about this crash. Watch. >> At about 10:37 Eastern time, the. aircraft departed Austin Bergstrom. International Airport and route to North. Elra, Bahamas with nine people on board, two flight crew and seven passengers. After takeoff, the flight proceeded. towards the destination while. establishing contact with various ATC. facilities along the route of flight.

About 12:47 p.m. Eastern time, the crew. transmitted to ATC that they were. encountering light, clear ice, which was. manageable and also moderate turbulence. While in contact with Miami Air Route. Traffic Center, the crew transmitted. that they were at 35,000 ft with. moderate turbulence with altitude. deviations of about 700 ft.

The crew reported the outside. temperature was -47 C, which is -53. Fahrenheit, and they were managing the. ice, but were in moderate turbulence. Very soon after the crew transmitted, "We are picking up precipitation, requesting to climb to 37,000 ft if. able," which was approved by FAA air. traffic control. Less than 30 seconds later, a. transmission from the airplane announced.

the descent, followed by a Mayday call. About 12:48 Eastern, the airplane. transmitted, "We are in an oversp speed. condition, descending with the rest. unintelligible.". Subsequent communications described that. the airplane was descending rapidly and. gave an altitude call out. Sadly, all aboard were lost. We also have the terrifying final.

moments of audio from what we believe. was the co-pilot. We believe there were. two pilots in the cockpit and that the. woman speaking is a co-pilot, not flying. the plane. Although the NTSB said that. that is under investigation today and. would not confirm who was the lead. pilot. Pilots in the know will tell you. that one flies the plane and one deals. with the comms. Um, and you will hear a. pilot dealing with the comms, female,

but a warning. Viewer discretion is. advised. This is awful to hear. >> So, roger. Say outside air temperature. 47° C. We're managing the ice, but it is. moderate turbulence. We're direct. report. >> Okay. November 722 Bravo Delta. Roger. Let me know if you need anything else. I'm just working into my airspace right. now. >> Thank you. If you have any better rides, uh, let us know. Bravo Delta. November 2. Bravo Delta. The rides do improve in my. aerospace. You're uh you're kind of far. outside of it right now. You can expect.

better arrive ahead. >> Roger Bravo Delta. And now we're picking. up precipitation. We need to climb um. 370 Bravo Delta. November 722 Bravo. Delta. Roger. Climb and maintain 370. No. further right than your present. Heading. for traffic. >> Climb 3702 Bravo Delta. 722 Bravo Delta. We're descending 8,000. Mayday. Mayday. We're descending 10,000 ft per minute. >> November 722 Bravo Delta. Roger. >> Declaring emergency 722 Bravo Delta. We.

are in an overseas condition. Descending. 20,000 ft per minute. >> November 722 Bravo Delta. Roger. Altitude. Your discretion. Let me know. what you need. >> We're going to crash into the ground. 72. Bravo Delta. >> November 2 Bravo Delta. I'm here with. you. Talk to me. We are descending. 22,000 ft and we are banking 60°. >> November two bravo delta. Roger.

November two bravo delta. November two bravo delta. How do you. hear? >> Oh, God rest their souls. That pilot you just heard was just 20. years old. Multiple news outlets have identified. her as Natalia Godelha Phil Gera. Phil.

Gerrera. The New York Post spoke to her. mother, Camila, who said that her. daughter had been working as a. commercial pilot for just nine months. She told the Post, quote, "I knew that a. plane was going to take her away from. me. I always knew it, but I was so proud. of her. I know she was living her. dream." Camila's husband told the Post. that Phil Guerreras had,300 hours of. flying experience. Natalie also.

reportedly texted her boyfriend just 10. minutes before the crash, writing, quote, "I've got turbulence. I've got. ice." According to her family, Natalie. wanted to be an airline pilot, but was. still too young to apply for a job at. American Airlines. Joining me now to. discuss what he thinks happened up there. is Steve Shener. He's a former airline. pilot and host of the Captain Steve. YouTube channel. Steve, welcome back. This is so disturbing, and to listen to. this young woman's screams is just bone.

chilling. What do you make of what. happened? It's just uh it's very hard to listen. to. I think there's. there's certain things that the the. human condition is not meant to either. hear or experience. It's it's hard on. the the mind and the and the spirit at. the same time. Um. but yet it's out there. So um it's this. is a one of the worst tragedies I think. because we we have the audio from inside.

the cockpit. It's it's very hard to. digest. Mhm. It's It's rare that we have it. because typically we have to wait for. the black box and here you had it via. air traffic control which is often. available. People listen in on this and. that's that's how we have this one so. quickly. The let's just start with the. the question on everybody's mind which. is what is a 20-year-old doing behind. the wheels of an aircraft like this?

Well, a lot of people that's where they. start their career. Um, to get on with a. regional airline or a major airline, you've got to have a minimum of 1500. hours. So, to build those hours, you'll. get a job flying for a charter outfit. someplace. Uh, and uh, some people are. crop dusters. Some people will fly a LER. jet for a a part 135 carrier, which this. is, they don't have the same 1500 hour. requirements. So, you can get on, build. your hours to get on with an airline. So, it's it's actually very common to. see somebody of that age uh behind the.

the stick of a a polar jet, especially. in the right seat as a co- as a co-pilot. in this situation. >> And it was weird. I thought that the. NTSB wouldn't confirm that she was in. the co-pilot role as opposed to the main. pilot. But do do you is there any doubt. in your mind she was in the co-pilot. role? >> No, they they haven't confirmed that. yet. I listened to the NTSB briefing and. Tom Chapman got asked that question. He. said, "Well, we don't know who's who. just yet." Although typically the reason. that most people think that was the. co-pilot, it wasn't because she was.

female. It's because that's who talks on. the radio when you're airborne. So it. would be the pilot monitoring at that. point. Uh whoever the pilot monitoring. was typically is referred to as a. co-pilot. That just means the other. pilot, the captain was flying the. airplane. Now, it's not it's probably. not true that a 20-year-old would be a. captain just yet. that's probably she's. working her way up to that that. position, but we don't know yet. There. hasn't been confirmation that that she. was a co-pilot. It may have been the uh.

the other pilot flying who wasn't the. captain. Maybe she was, but again, that. that'll come out in the days and weeks. ahead. >> I have to say um I'm I'm definitely 100%. against any sort of DEI in hiring hiring. pilots, surgeons, or really anything. I'm just against DEI in general. And I. don't know whether that played any role. in this woman's hiring. >> Yeah. >> And I understand the pilots online who. are very critical of her screaming and. saying she was not professional. But I I.

have to say and I I honestly I have. complained in the past about young. female pilots flying my own plane and. not doing well. I I told the audience a. story that happened with a girl who. looked like she was about 20 with a. ponytail up here. Her name was Maddie. She did not do a good job. And when I. confronted her about it, she literally. ran off the plane. So, I'm not defending. all female hires or all young female. hires, but I I have to be honest. What I. heard was somebody who for her age was. remarkably composed given what was.

happening to her. >> What did you hear? >> Yeah, I heard the same thing. I I think. she was very courageous. She gave us a. blowby-blow of what was going on knowing. that her life was about to end and that. it takes a certain amount of composure. Uh my experience with flying I've flown. with men and women. They're all. excellent. I've never I never flew with. a female pilot that wasn't top rate. And. uh but I I would I would challenge. anyone male, female, you name it. if.

you're in that situation. to not lose it a little bit. Uh your. voice is going to change an octave or. two when you're in a 60°ree angle of. bank and you're h hurtling down towards. the earth at 20,000 plus feet per minute. and you know you're not going to pull. out of it. Uh there's that I think to. point a finger that the female thing. that's just that's the internet. The. internet does that and uh I I think uh. you're right. I think she was very. courageous and and I would probably fly. with her any given day.

>> Wow. I mean, she was so young. The her. parents um have highlighted that, you. know, this was her dream. There was an. article, I mean, a a news report done on. her by CBS 12 uh in 2023 because she got. her pilot's license while still in high. school. Here's a bit of that in stop. four. I like being different than. everyone. So, um to me, I think it's. like cool that.

um well, like it's not really an. opportunity. I kind of just didn't do it. and this is how it ended up. But, um I. think it's kind of cool. Some people. think that it's like weird because I can. fly planes, but I can't drive a car. I. mean, I can, but um a lot of people. think it's funny. I think it's funny. And I now want my license really bad. Yeah. >> Okay. So, putting the gender thing to. the side, the the question is.

this is young. This is a very young. person to be I mean, I know you say some. are up there, but it to me it seems like. we don't let you rent a car until you're. 25 years old. We This person couldn't. lawfully drink. You know, she could she. was considered too young to have a glass. of wine and yet we're going to put her. behind the controls of a Learjet with. the lives of nine people dependent on. her. Tell me why I'm wrong. That seems. too young. >> Well, she's not the only pilot in the. cockpit. So, there's another pilot with. her. Uh, presumably a more experienced.

pilot. Uh, everybody's got to start. someplace. That's the key to all of. this. If we want if we're going to if. we're going to force pilots to retire at. age 65 and we've got a pilot shortage, at some point, you got to get into the. workforce. So, what is too young? I. think a lot of times a young pilot like. that, they're eager. They're in the. books. They study really hard. They've. got to overcome a lot of obstacles in. terms of people not thinking they can do. the job. Listening to that little. interview with her, she sounds like a. pilot. She's just confident. She knows.

what she wants. She's going to go out. and do it. And it takes it takes years. and years to get to a place where you. get to be like uh a first officer at. American or Delta or United. It it took. me 10 years to get to that place. I had. to start someplace. I didn't start much. older than her. So, uh, you know, the. FAA's got restrictions on all this sort. of thing. You can fly before you turn. 16. You can't get a license until you're. 16. I think you can't get instrument. ratings until you're 17. But a lot of. those younger pilots are into the books.

They know the numbers uh better than. anybody else. And then coupled with an. experienced pilot that has got the stick. and rudder skills, that's the best way. to learn and the best way to go about. building your hours. So, again, you. know, we don't know what happened to. this. The NTSB is going to look at the. at the airplane. They're going to look. at the pilots and they're going to look. at the environment. I think the place. they need to focus in on first is the. environment. It looked like they flew. into a thunderstorm and the weather. conditions I think are going to have a. big factor with why that airplane.

dropped out of the sky. >> Let's talk about that because you you. heard her describe and the NTSB. reiterated first. They say light clear. ice with moderate turbulence. Then um they talk about an altitude. deviation of 700 ft. It's -53° F outside. and very soon thereafter say we're. picking up precipitation. They ask for.

permission to climb to 37,000 ft and the. air traffic controller says that's okay. And no sooner does he give the okay for. that than they talk about their rapid. descent. And she's calling Mayday. Mayday. By the way, I mean, I think we. all understand Mayday to be a cry of. distress. But what what is it. officially? What does it officially mean. when a pilot says that to air traffic. control? >> Yeah, Mayday means you're declaring an. emergency. And at that point, the a lot. of things go into motion. Air traffic. control starts to clear everybody out. You get whatever you want if you declare.

a mayday. If you want a lower altitude, if you want to turn left or right, that's completely up to the pilot's. discretion. You don't ask have to ask. permission for that. You're telling air. traffic control that you're in some sort. of distress, and basically you're. piloting your airplane with no other. inputs. Um, so she declares a mayday, but it's already well into this rapid. descent. It's what happened to the. aircraft prior to that that led up to. the rapid descent. That's where the NTSB. is going to focus and I think that's. where the the weather had the biggest.

impact. >> So describe if they're taking on ice and. there's precipitation. and there there's an altitude deviation. of 700 ft. Does that mean what that's. what's being caused by the turbulence to. your aircraft? >> Yeah. So she checks in and says a couple. of things. She she gives a lot of great. information. You don't normally get this. from a a pilot. Uh she says we're we're. managing the icing right now. So they. they were already experiencing some. icing, which I'm telling you at 35,000.

ft is extremely rare. You're usually. above it all at that altitude. It's very. cold. They ask her what the temperature. is outside and she says -47. That's -. 53° F. That's typically how cold it is. at 35,000 ft. So it's not more cold or. less cold than normal. That's just very. cold. Then she says later on that. they're they're experiencing moderate. turbulence and that the aircraft is. losing or gaining plus or minus 700 ft. That's extraordinary. I would call that.

severe turbulence, not moderate. turbulence, but every pilot has a little. different interpretation of what that. is. That might be where some of the. experience level comes in. If you can't. hold altitude, that's severe turbulence. to me. Severe turbulence now is a. different beast altogether. your. aircraft is semi out of control. She. also keys up the mic after that and says. now we're experiencing precipitation. There's I've very rare that there's. precipitation at 35,000 ft. What the.

question I've got is did they know they. were flying right into what appears to. be and I have to say appears to be a. thunderstorm is on the radar you can see. that big yellow and then red center. that's a typically a thunderstorm. Uh, and was their radar not working? Could. they not see that? Did air traffic. control turn them into that? Did they. ask for a turn prior to that that took. them into that? The pilots should have. seen that on their radar scope and. avoided it. The FAA rule is 20 nautical.

miles away from any known thunderstorm. So, you have to stay 20 nautical miles. away. So, you don't try to fly over it. and you certainly don't fly through it. So, that's where it's a combination of. >> right there. You can see it's right over. it. It's a combination of things. It's it's. the pilot. >> decision. Was was it led by air traffic. control? What was working or not working. on their aircraft? Did they see that? And did they know? Uh and did they just. try to fly over it? All of those are. going to be questions that I would have.

if I was running the investigation. I'd. try to find out in the weeks ahead. >> You can't outrun a thunderstorm. Sometimes they build so quickly you. can't get over top of them. >> That's the thing. So this thunderstorm. seems to have gone high up, forgive the, you know, pedestrian language, but it. seems to have gone very high up in the. sky. And so it seems like they may have. been having trouble getting on top of it. because she tried. They wanted to go up. to 37,000 ft. They got the permission.

and that's where the trouble started. So. is there a problem with a Learjet going. is somebody was talking about updraft, which I didn't understand, but they said. that could have been a factor here. So. the leard shed originally was at 41,000. ft. They descended back down to 35,000. ft. My presumption is because it was a. smoother ride at 35. When they get down. to 35, they get back into moderate. turbulence. That's where we first get. her reports. Now, what goes on inside a. thunderstorm is there's there's updrafts. and downdrafts. Think of cylinders in an.

engine going up and down like this. And. what happens is when you get like, for. instance, hail comes out of the bottom. of a thunderstorm. What's happened is. all the moisture inside of it gets shot. up in an updraft. It goes up so high it. freezes. It gets heavy enough and then. it falls down and it comes down the. downdraft. Comes down the downdraft, gets picked up by an updraft, goes back. up again and uh the hail ball will begin. to grow to the point where it the the. storm can't sustain it anymore and it. falls all the way down to the ground.

Now, there was no indication yet that. there was hail inside this thunderstorm, but that's the convective activity going. on inside. It's it's extreme friction. That's why you need to avoid these. things by about 20 miles. If you try to. fly over it, they're building up so. quickly that sometimes you can't get on. top of it. So, I don't know that they. were trying to go over top of it. I. think at at 35,000 ft, the ride was so. bad, they were just looking for any. other altitude to get to to get to a. smoother ride. What what I think here's.

my if I was at the NTSB investigating. this, I would be looking at the icing. component of it because they already. reported icing and then they reported. preip and you got the cold temperature. There's a thing called super uh large. super cooled large droplets, SLDs. And. SLDs at certain altitudes like 35,000 ft. if you fly into a storm will adhere to. the leading edge of the wing, but. they're so large that they don't they. don't freeze immediately. They flow back.

to the middle part of the wing and then. they freeze to the wing. It builds a. ridge like a little mountain on top of. the wing and it totally disrupts and. kills all the lift on the wing. So, not. only is your aircraft picking up weight. because of the ice, the wings now stop. producing lift. And those wings turn. into like a vending machine. It's just a. big hunk of metal out there. And the. aircraft can't sustain flight anymore. The aircraft then dips down. That one. wing she said was 60° angle of bank. down. You saw that in the picture as it.

came down and hit the ground. At that. point, the the aircraft is knife edging. out of control and it's virtually. impossible to pull it out of that. because of the conditions over on the. wing at the time that cause the loss of. lift and that's what creates this kind. of missile effect of an airplane coming. straight down as you can see in the. picture. >> So when the when the air when she says. it's banking 60° that's that's going. forward like ass up, you know, nose.

down. going to the side, >> right? So, you can see that now at this. point, the nose is completely down just. before it impacts the ground. But at. first, the wing, one of the wings is. going to lose lift first. And I think it. was the most likely the right wing cuz. she says we're 60°. I think she said. right wing down, but I might I might. have just made that up, but 60° down and. then the nose of the aircraft falls. through. So the the aircraft stalls, the. wing falls through the the you begin a. knife edge, but as you're accelerating.

down the nose, the aircraft wants to be. aerodynamic. So the nose then falls. through. They just simply can't pull the. aircraft out of that strong geforce. that's forcing the airplane down. Besides the fact that their wings are. covered with ice, you know, it's there's. not enough time for all that to melt in. the basically 60 seconds it took for. them to go from 35,000 ft to impacting. the ground. At what point was it unreoverable?

>> I think somewhere in the middle of her. transmission. Uh again, I I think if if it was if it. was an icing condition that caused this. stall in this knife edge, I think it was. unreoverable probably right from the. beginning. >> because she says, "I'm I'm looking here. again." She asked if they can go to. 37,000 ft presumably to fly above the. turbulent air, but moments later she. declared a mayday. Um, he said, "What's.

the outside temperature?" She said, "USUS 47° C. We're managing the ice, but. it is moderate turbulence. Let me know. if you need anything else. I'm just. working you into my airspace right now.". She says, "Now we're picking up. precipitation. We need to climb." Roger. Climb and maintain. We're descending. 8,000. Mayday. Mayday. We're descending. 10,000 feet per minute. Declaring an. emergency. Uh, we are in an overseas. condition. >> Um, I'm not sure if that's the correct. transcription. I don't know. Descending. 20,000 ft per minute. I mean, at that.

point, is there any saving an aircraft. that has ice on the wings and you're. you're going down 20,000 ft per minute? >> Most likely not. Most likely not. Um, the FAA has four different categories. for icing. There's trace icing, which is. you see a little bit of icing, but it's. no big deal. It's not really building. up. Then there is um light icing where. it's starting to build up and every. airplane most airplanes that lear has. either anti-icing or deicing equipment. on board and you might want to wait for. a little bit of ice to build up on the.

leading edge of the wing and then you. just what we call dust it off. You just. turn on the deicing equipment and it. breaks up and your wing is smooth again. Uh there is moderate icing where when. you get into moderate icing, you want to. get out of it as quickly as possible. because you're constantly using your. deicing equipment to keep up with the. ice buildup on the wing and the. fuselage. Uh there's a final category, severe icing. That's where those SLDs, those super cool uh large droplets would. impact a flight like this that.

overwhelms the anti-icing or deicing. capability of an aircraft. And the ice. builds up so quickly that there you. can't get rid of it. And then it adds. weight. It kills the aerodynamic lift. over the wings and the airplane falls. through like you saw. So I think what. happened was they were at 35,000 ft. They were in a really bumpy ride. They. were looking for to get out of the preip. that she reported. But that preip was. those SLDs building up on the on the. wing. This is all theory, by the way. It's just I'm basing it on all the.

information I've got at this point. building up on the wing. When they go to. climb to 35,000 feet, just that little. bit of pulling back on the nose to start. to climb, you lose. They were right on. the edge. They were right on the margin. right there. When they pull the nose up. a little bit, the airplane departs. It. immediately stalls. >> and it's unreoverable, I think, at that. point if the wings were covered with. with ice in the scenario that that I'm. describing. But again, you know, there's. no probable cause yet. NTSB doesn't.

hasn't said. >> Yeah, we don't know. >> Right. Can I ask you about we've all sat in a. plane on the tarmac while they say we. got to get the deicing machine out here. and we can't take off yet and nobody. ever complains about that. You know, it's like you everybody knows that the. deicing machine is important on their. big commercial aircraft. But. and I mean maybe they did that on the. Lear Jet. I have no idea when they where. they started in Austin, though it seems. unlikely uh in Austin, Texas that they. would need it. I mean, when you're in.

the air, is there no there's no deicing? Like, what how do you prevent reicing. when you're in the air like this? >> So, it's not the same as on the ground. On the ground, they're going to apply a. fluid. Sometimes it's a gel. It it has a. hold over time that gets you to the. runway and and a clear wing and a clear. tail for takeoff and for a certain time. amount of time after that. Once you're. airborne and you they've been airborne. for hours on this flight, there's no. more of that type of deicing. But most. airplanes will have some sort of a deic.

or an anti- ice system. My Boeing trip 7. had an anti- ice system. It sensed when. ice was forming somewhere on the outside. of the airplane and it turned itself on. automatically. So, it was heat in the. leading edge of the wings and it was. heat in the in the outside in a cell of. the engines. That heat turned on would. melt any ice. So it wasn't a problem. It. happened automatically, but the pilots. would monitor it. If for some reason it. didn't turn itself on as the captain, I. could flip a switch and I could turn it. on. So that's that's a major airliner.

This lear most likely had some sort of a. deicing system where the pilots are. going to monitor. She said, "We're. managing the icing, which to me, my. interpretation of that is they're. looking out the window and they can see. ice building up on the windshield wiper. because it's metal and that's where you. first see ice build up and you see a. certain amount of it. Then you flip the. switch, you you dust off the wings, you. heat up the wings, the anti ice goes. off. The reason you don't want to leave. it on all the time is because if you. leave it on all the time, it might melt.

and then create an ice bubble over your. deicing system and now your deicing. system is ineffective. It won't it won't. get rid of that ice bubble that's over. the top. So, they'll turn it on and off, on and off. She said they were managing. it, but then she said, "We're running. into preip." Now, I can't tell you how. rare preip is at 35,000 ft. The the way. to not get in that situation is to avoid. the precipitation and the thunderstorm. You've got to fly more than 20 m away. from those things or you're going to get. preip at 35,000 ft at - 47 C.

>> One of the questions they were asking. the NTSB was, does this look like a. pilot error or an air traffic control. error? M. >> um probably for this exact reason. because isn't the route you travel and. whether you're going to go into the. storm or not more controlled by air. traffic control? >> Yeah. Well, the three factors that they. look at are the pilots, the the plane. itself, and then the environment. So, the environment we've already talked. about with the weather. Why did the.

pilots fly into a thunderstorm? Did they. not see it on the radar screen in front. of them? I don't know. Was it working? If it was in OP and it wasn't working, then that's a factor. But then that begs. the question, you got to let air traffic. control know that you're kind of flying. weather blind. At least you're not being. able to see anything on the scope in. front of you. We don't know any of that. Uh what we do, what I do know from the. air traffic controller is that he said, "You're on the edge of my screen. You're. on the edge of my system. You're just. coming into my airspace." So that air. traffic controller might not have had.

that cell on his screen like the. previous one did or like the the flight. crew should. It ultimately is the. responsibility of the flight crew not to. fly into a thunderstorm. So that's what. the NTSB is going to look at. They're. going to look at all those factors and. they're going to put them together in. their investigation and find out was it. a combination of just was it one thing. that contributed just the weather, just. the pilots or or a combination of both. Usually in the final analysis, it's a. little bit of everything.

>> There was a question about the. stabilizer. on the plane, a horizontal stabilizer. Is that what it's called? I just want to. make sure I'm not saying the wrong. thing. Yeah. >> That um whether the some have said that. the plane they think as it's coming down. and that still grab that we have. >> Yeah. >> is missing its horizontal stabilizer, right? which many pilots online have. said there is no controlling your plane.

your jet if it's missing that whi on. this graphic we're looking at here Kevin. what's which what's what's the. horizontal stabilizer. >> so it's that little T bar right at the. top okay that makes the letter T it's. the it's the horizontal part of that the. vertical is the rudder and then the. horizontal is at the top so as I was. looking at that picture that still frame. that you had just before they hit the. ground uh we saw that late last night. and you're not really sure if that's AI. generated It's it's most everybody is. saying that that's a real picture from.

the second before impact. It looks as. though the horizontal stabilizer is. missing off the aircraft. Now the. question is and this is where. >> nothing horizontal. In other words, that. the tail of that aircraft, you can see. that the vertical part going straight. up, but you can't see the little. horizontal wing, not wing, but little. like sort of flame out. >> You can see the wings. You can see the. wings still there, but you should have. two tiny wings at the back of the. airplane and they're not there. So, uh, the NTSB is going to say two. things. Did they come off prior to the.

airplane starting its descent and that's. what caused the descent or because of. the over speed and the G- load and the. and and the uh, you know, the forces the. G-forces on the airplane that horizontal. stabilizer came off. Tom Chapman at the. hearing just now said two interesting. things. He said there is, and this is a. quote, some evidence of aircraft breakup. prior to the impact. So I think they're. already looking at the fact that they. think part of the airplane probably. those horizontal stabilizers came off. and he said further after that many uh.

we may find parts away from the impact. site. So I think they're already kind of. clued into the fact that this airplane. parts of it came apart prior to it. hitting the ground. Gosh, the um the news on who was on board the. flight has been very hard to find. We. only know about the one pilot's identity. right now, but this is just hitting. Uh. is this via the oh the the Palm Beach.

Post? A married couple and their two. children were reportedly among the nine. killed on this leerjet that crashed. According to the Palm Beach Post, the. couple and their two toddlers were. identified as being aboard the doomed. jet when it crashed near West Palm Beach. on Sunday. The outlet has not disclosed. more about their identities, but said. they interviewed family members on. Monday. One of the couple's fathers told. the outlet, "It's quite a blow. We had a. daughter, her husband, and two. grandchildren on the plane." "Oh my.

gosh, this is so awful, Steve. I just I. can't imagine what those poor families. are going through right now. The the. only thing that makes sense about any of. this to me is at least one unconfirmed. report that in some of these. transcriptions, you know, how people. enhance the sound, you can hear um. Natalie doing what she was doing, giving. data about the plane and its descent and. and reportedly in one of these you can. hear the co-pilot who may have been.

flying the plane saying the Our Father, which is the only thing that makes any. sense to me. That's at some point that's. what an experienced pilot would. understand was appropriate. >> Yeah, it's the the human side of this. thing is always just so tragic. And to. hear that there were toddlers on board. that just breaks my heart as a dad and a. grandpa. Um we uh my producer and I. prayed um we cut a video today on this. It's being released now. We prayed prior. to it and we always pray for the.

families and the and the victims and. that air traffic controller who had to. listen to this happen in real time. You. know, those people have real lives, too. And they have to go home and, you know, and function after listening to somebody. perish on your watch. It it's it's it's. as hard as it gets, Megan. It's just as. hard as it gets. And it it just breaks. my heart to even have to talk about. these things. But, you know, we're both. in the business where we have to report. on certain things that are very. unpleasant.

>> It's it's it's too much to get your arms. around. The the only comfort um that I. have found today in reading up on it is. somebody who said, you know, you think. of all these poor people out there who. died terrible deaths of cancer or some. debilitating disease and they have to. live with that knowledge for a long time. and a lot of them have to suffer very. very long times knowing what the end is. especially if they've been given you. know a fatal diagnosis and it's very. difficult you that's an emotional burden. on a lot of people they can see the.

upside a lot of these folks by saying I. you they they can say goodbye and so on, but it's a lot to tax on a human soul. And the only comfort in this one is. while that could have I mean would have. been absolutely horrific, at least it. was brief. At least it was, you know, 20. seconds of horror and then it was over. >> But there's all sorts of conspiracy. theories out there. Captain, you know. this. People are saying, "Where's the. plane? It's just a big like hole in the. ground." Can you explain for those who.

are wondering where the plane went, where it went? >> Well, it's physics. I mean, Tom Chapman. said uh they asked him about the debris. field. One of the reporters, he said um. it's a half a mile long debris field and. the debris is rather small. And uh those. airplanes are not it's not a big ship at. sea. It's not a battleship. It's an. aluminum shell that's very lightweight. on purpose. So when it hits the ground. at at those G forces, it's going to. disintegrate. It just did. You know,

there's no conspiracy here. It just. that's the way the physics of this whole. thing work. So I'm not surprised that. they don't have much to go on. They're. they're just minuscule little parts. after something hits the ground that. hard. We we pulled a picture of Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where of course United. Flight 93 went down on 911 and it was a. similar problem that it went down with. such velocity. there. There wasn't, you know, a.

traditional. plane carnage or, you know, sort of. fuselage that you could see. It just. must have hit with such velocity there, too. Of course, there was a battle in. the cockpit as we now know. Yeah. by the. passengers who tried to make sure that. plane did not go into the US capital as. we believe the hijackers intended. But. yeah, I mean that's there's going to be. very little to recover and some by some. miracle. No one on the ground was killed. This. could have been so much worse.

>> Yeah, that's the only silver lining on. all of this is the the NTSB said there. was one minor injury to a gentleman on. the ground, but uh nobody was killed on. the ground. So, there's one positive. takeaway from a really horrible um. tragedy. Um I it just breaks my heart to. even talk about this, but uh it is what. it is. >> Just to round it back to the um pilots, I mean, my own takeaway in listening to. you as a nervous flyer is it's better to. fly commercial than private because.

there are different rules and different. capabilities of the planes. That's. number one. Is that true? Uh it's it's. yeah, it's complicated, but you're going. to get uh the training is top rate, the. maintenance is top rate, the airplanes. are expensive, they're sophisticated. Uh. you're going to get two or three or. sometimes even four pilots. Uh like I. said, for me to get to that place to get. hired by a major airline and then become. a captain at that major airline, it was. a lot of dues paid over a lot of years.

So, you've got that experience level, that judgment, that wisdom, that. maturity, which begs the question, why. in the world are we forcing pilots out. at age 65? I I've been um I've been. retired for a year now. Um I I wear. cheaters. That's about it. All right. I'm in great health. I should still be. flying an airplane. >> He's holding up reading glasses, >> right? But in in the uh in the infinite. wisdom of Congress, I'm too old to fly. I might be a safety risk at this point. That's ridiculous. it that that needs to. change for sure. Uh and to keep that.

older judgment and wisdom in the cockpit. and somebody's got to start someplace, right? So she's 20 years old. She's uh. you know, again, she's got the world by. the tail. Uh it's it's a sad story. because of that. I don't cast any. aspersions upon anybody that's young. I. think they're eager, they learn their. systems, they get qualified, they pass. the same check rides that I passed. If. she passed it three years younger than I. did, good for her. Good for her.

>> The um Yeah, I I hear you on allowing. the more experienced pilots in there. We. don't know anything about the second. pilot and how experienced he was, but it. does seem like they needed somebody in. there who could read radar and could. understand the the risks to the Learjet. >> and its horizontal stabilizer, etc. in. going right into a thunderstorm. That's. what we all hope we have is a an. experienced pilot who says, you know, in. fact, what you're saying about the. severe turbulence back when I was a. lawyer, I flew all the time. That that. job just required a lot of flying,

depositions, hearings in other states. and so on. And uh flying out of Chicago. O'Hare, we flew in some terrible, terrible weather. >> And I remember the pilot saying because. we had bad turbulence on a flight and I. was scared. We were all holding on to. each other. And I said, "This is this. severe turbulence?" And the pilot said, "We would not fly in severe turbulence, like we we will not be getting this. aircraft into a situation where we're. looking at severe turbulence." And I. felt comforted by that. So, but you're. saying it sounds like they may have had. it on this plane. So, something went.

wrong in the the charting of the route. or where they were told to go, like they. shouldn't basically they shouldn't have. been there to begin with. And and by the. way, many of the commercial airlines had. canled their flights through Palm Beach. yesterday. >> Yeah. Well, that's the would a should of. coulda afterwards in all of this, but. the uh airlines are not allowed to be. dispatched through known severe. turbulence. So, that's the plan on the. ground. Now, once you get into the air, can severe turbulence um present.

themselves? Yeah. But once you start to. get into moderate, I'm already looking. for an exit strategy so we don't get. into severe. I had one flight uh many. years ago was probably 2014 2015 time. frame where we hit 8 seconds only 8. seconds of severe turbulence. It was. clear air turbulence. We didn't see it. coming. Uh we were already in moderate. so we'd asked the flight attendants to. take a seat in the back but it was the. roughest ride I've ever had. Four. passengers got injured and three flight. attendants. But they were the people.

that weren't strapped in. So we had had. the seatelt sign on. We told everybody I. made a PA. Everybody make sure your. seatelt is fastened, including the. flight attendants. For some reason, there were seven people that decided not. to strap their seatelt in. And that's. those are the people that got hurt. So, uh, none of them seriously. >> I'm looking for one of those, you know, you go on the you go on down to Disney. and you go on the, uh, Space Mountain. I'm looking for one of those things on. my airplane seat to come down, to click, to hold me. Like, I definitely wear the. seat belt at all times.

>> because why risk it? But we have seen a. lot of these smaller jets go down and. you know it's something about the Lear. It's got that reputation of like a Lear. jet, you know, like it's it's something. that like the rich and famous would. take. They discontinued the airplane. I. think they no longer make them, but um. the horizontal stabilizer thing sounds a. little disturbing. Like that that thing. shouldn't come off. That should be so so. strongly affixed that it could never. come off. I don't know if it would have. helped here. Sounds like the NTSB.

wouldn't say so either. They they asked. him. um the question was when the pilot was. making transmissions about gathering. precipitation, is it the right maneuver. to climb uh the 40,000 ft as they. requested? He said, I don't know that I. would describe it as the right maneuver, but it's one of the possibles. I don't. know. Um would you fly a Learjet still? >> Uh it would there's that's a complicated. question. I would fly a Lejet. It's a.

safe airplane. >> Uh would I am I looking for another job? No, not at the moment. But would I fly. one? Yeah, absolutely reliable airplane. Very safe. Uh you fly any airplane. through a thunderstorm and you're going. to have problems. It doesn't make any. difference. Uh what it is that Fly Dubai. flight that got hijacked and descended. so quickly, the rudder came off that. airplane, but the rest of it stayed. together, which is a minor miracle. You. know, Boeing built a nice solid airplane. there. Uh Lear builds a nice solid. airplane. But there's there's limits to. everything, Megan. There's only so much.

you can expect out of a product and when. it's it's hurling towards the ground at. maybe two or three times it its normal. speed and all the glosses on it, something's going to give way. I'm. surprised that the wings were still. attached when it hit the ground. It was. it was descending so quickly. But. >> uh again uh the investigation is going. to find out when the horizontal. stabilizer departed, if it did at all, and was it the cause or was it because. of the rapid descent.

>> Wow. Thank you. Thank you so much, Captain Steve. It's great to see you. You've got your own YouTube channel that. people should check out. Captain Steve. on YouTube and you can see his download. as well. Thank you so much for always. coming on and helping us and doing. double duty. >> My pleasure. Oh, God. God rest their souls. Pray for the. families who are going to be dealing. with a lot of grief. Now, it's like. we're going into Thanksgiving. We're. going to the holiday season. That poor.

dad said he had a daughter and a. son-in-law and two children. They were. the two two grandchildren, all of whom. were on the plane. As the. identifications will come out, the sad. stories will come too. And this is like. hold your family close, make good. decisions. You know, it's like I think a lot of. people look at flying private as a. privilege and a luxury and there's a. real question about whether that's true. You know, there I've I've had to do it. many times in my line of work and I.

always get scared. I'm not a good flyer. I always feel more safe on a big plane. and uh if given the choice, fly the big. plane. There are sometimes when you. can't like you can't get into this. location and I always get scared. Um, you pray that the pilots have had. adequate training. You play pray that. the plane is is safe. I mean, I will say. that there are some services, you know, like you just go through a broker and. they get you some pilots and you have no. idea who the pilots are, you know, that. are they experienced, how many hours? Like there's no standards. And then.

there's some companies that have higher. standards and higher prices, too. Uh, if. you can go commercial, go commercial. Doesn't matter. Coach, business first, whatever. Uh there it's been a long time. since we've had a commercial airliner. Well, I'll just leave it at that because. we don't want to say things like that. out loud. Sending all my love to all of. you. We will be back tomorrow for full. election coverage both during our normal. programming and then again uh as the. events start unfolding in the evening. and the results start coming in at 7.

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