What's Behind the Push to OUST Massie, w/ Kasparian, and Bovino Tells All About Deportations Now

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show. Later today, a. first-time guest on the show, Gregory. Bo, will be here. We've covered him a. lot, and now on the outside, he's able. to speak freely about his role in the. deportations and border policies of the. administration for which he worked. This. is going to be a very compelling. exchange. He is ready to talk about what. he was doing to enforce the border and. why he got pushed out and who was.

like-minded and who isn't and what is. the policy right now as he sees it. He's. going to be very frank and we're really. looking forward to having him. Uh but. we're going to start today with two. high-profile races in California where. Spencer Pratt continues to gain ground. in the LA mayoral race. And then there's. the story that we've been teasing for a. couple of days in the governor's race. with Katie Porter firing off a shot at. her fellow Democrat Tom Styer. Go Katie. This is the way to channel your rage,

sister. You got it. Now you point it at. your opponents and you let loose, not at. your lowly staffers cuz that makes you. look bad. Plus a brutal interview moment. with the Democratic candidate who is. becoming the front runner. We'll tell. you who that is. [music] Joining me now. for all of this, Anna Kasparian. She is. the host and executive producer of The. Young Turks. Don't miss a moment. Subscribe to this. show on YouTube and follow me on Insta, Facebook, and X. When there are supply.

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Anna, welcome back. Great to have you. >> Thank you [music] for having me. Happy. to be here. I've been watching you all over the. internet setting everybody on fire. It's. been fun to watch it. [laughter] Um it's. I love I love Piers Morgan and I love. watching you on there because you take. no guff from anyone and I'm always. rooting you on. Thank you. Okay, we got. to start with Katie Porter. You and I. were on the air when we first dissected. her viral videos and it was a very fun. segment and um I think our audience. enjoyed it. Now here she is again and.

she goes on CNN. She gets cross-examined. gently by Dana Bash about some of her. low moments and she she hurls out an. allegation about where that tape came. from in which she berates the staffer, "Get the f out of my shot." And it was. sort of an odd tape because clearly she. wasn't live in the moment because she. says, "Get the f out of my shot." And. then the staffer like kind of just talks. in a way you wouldn't if they were live.

on the air saying, "No, you said that. thing wrong. this is the way you need to. say it. And you know, she's still. annoyed. So, it did suggest that it was. being pre-taped with a friendly, some. sort of a friendly. And we didn't really. know or ask who that was on the other. side, but she's offering facts now, what. she says are facts. And here is what she. said to Dan Bash. >> He just did an interview with Pod Save. America where he said he was the only. candidate who could stand up to. corporate interests. He was asked. specifically, "Well, what about Katie. Porter?" This is what he said.

She's hostile to special interest, but. she doesn't have your money to get ads. up, right? That that's a real thing. >> So, the question is, can someone win and. do this? That is the actual question, John. Not can someone be good-hearted? There are lots of good-hearted people. who I would be happy if they won. The. question is, can someone actually do. this? >> What's your response to him? Well, given that Tommy Styer is the. person who leaked the video with me and. the staffer from five years ago, he.

pretty clearly didn't think that I would. he pretty clearly wanted to be governor. bad enough to knock me down to do it. And I've apologized for that video many. times. >> because I am confident that is the case. I've been told by many people it's a. Department of Energy video. It was only. held by the Department of Energy and. people can follow the trail to who his. campaign staffers are and understand. what happened there. And the truth is, look, Tommy Styer is a corporate special. interest. He's made his billions off.

being behooen to corporations, making. money off fossil fuel, oil, coal. Shots fired. So, she's blaming Styer for. the release of that video, suggesting it. shows he's worried about her. So, what. does the Styer campaign do? They issue. the following statement saying, "Tom has. nothing to do with that video." This is. an attempt from Katie Porter to deflect. from her past mistakes. Katie Porter. only has one person to blame for her. standing in the race, and it's herself,

which I must tell you is a non-denial. denial. Tom has nothing to do with that. video. Could be absolutely true. And. yet, he may have leaked it. Like, he of. course he has nothing to do with the. actual video. He's not in the video. He. didn't touch the video. He wasn't. responsible for it leaking from the. Department of Energy necessarily, but he. he might have received it and leaked it. And what most likely happened was it was. leaked to a staffer and he could keep. his hands clean and this statement could. be factually true in every way. Um,

in other words, you would say, if you. really had nothing to do, you would say. neither Tom nor anyone on his team had. anything to do with leaking this video. We don't need to leak videos of Katie. Porter to make her look bad. She just. has to be Katie Porter for that to. happen. So, I think he did it and we did. look to see his staff. Um, we could not. find evidence that current staffers of. his gubernatorial campaign worked at the. DOE. However, we did find that a 2025. hire out of one of his companies did. indeed come from DOE. There was a. Bloomberg article uh that his his uh.

galvanized climate solutions company. hired Chris Creed who oversaw. investments for the DOE uh in its loan. office. Not accusing Chris Creed. We. don't know whether he had anything to do. with this. However, it is not true that. they have no DOE people working for. Styer. In any event, what does all this. tell us about the state of the. gubanatorial campaign in California. where the latest polls, I'll tell you, show us something interesting. There has.

been movement. Xavier Bera, Javier is now in first with 19%. That. puts him two points above Steve Hilton. who is tied for second now with Tom. Styer. Those two guys Hilton and Styer. have 17. Javier has 19. Fourth is still. the other Republican Chad Biano at 11. And Katie is bringing up the rear at 10. >> Chad Biano is doing better than Katie.

Porter. That actually blows my mind. Okay, so. >> my honest opinion, I am not enamored. with any of these candidates. I'm I'm. not a I'm not a fan. >> because you are sane. >> Well, I mean, honestly, if you take the. time to watch the gubanatorial debate. that's happened already, oh my goodness, I just there was one particular. moderator who in the very beginning, I. couldn't decide whether I liked her or. hated her because she was actually very. aggressive. In the end, I decided, no, no, I love her. she should be the.

moderator for every political debate in. the country because she really held. these candidates feet to the fire and. didn't let them get away with simply. saying that they're going to do these. amazing pie in the sky policies. She. wanted to understand, okay, how are you. going to carry out those policies? And I. remember Tommy Styer in particular. really struggled in answering those. questions. I don't remember exactly what. the policy was, but there was something. he wants to implement if he wins as. governor, but what he wants to do has. already been struck down by the Supreme.

Court. So, the moderator asked him, [laughter] "How do you propose to do. this knowing that you're going to run. into this massive legal hurdle with. Katie Porter?" I I'm actually shocked at. how poorly she's doing to be honest with. you. Chad Biano had no policy solutions. at all. Um, and I'm open-minded to a. Republican as long as he actually has. wellthoughtout policy proposals. And. California honestly needs a little more. balance politically speaking. Uh, but he. was he was awful in the debate. He.

hasn't thought through anything. He's. just very angry at Democrats and made. that very clear. >> And um, >> okay. >> Yeah, >> we accept. >> Right. And so, but Javier Bacera didn't. perform well either and seemed to kind. of be stuck in the 2020 era of politics, which made me worry because I think. California in particular needs to kind. of move away from that and start. >> really thinking about the revenue that's. coming in through taxes and how much. we're hurting ourselves by we are. overspending. And the reason why we're.

overspending is because money is going. to certain nonprofits and certain. programs without any real oversight of. those programs. This is something that. the California state auditor has uh put. out many reports on. And so we are in. debt. The state of California is in a. massive amount of debt. We owe money to. the federal government. And so we can't. have a clown leading the country. I'm. sorry, the state. We need someone who's. actually smart, who understands, yes, we. need to take care of Californians, but. we also need to increase our tax revenue.

by making this a desirable place to do. business in. And I just I don't see many. good solutions or solutions at all from. these candidates, which really worries. me. >> Go Steve Hilton. He could still do it. If Chad if he got Chad's 13% that would. give him a running chance at least. Right now, if you add all the Democrat. numbers together, it's an easy Democrat. win in the general. But you never know. You never know because I I feel like the. more Californians get exposed to Steve, the more they're going to properly fall.

in love with him. Um I want to tell you. this. So now Basera is in first place. which is just stunning because that's a. real come from behind moment for him. He. was down in the bottom uh not too long. ago. And so he's I guess you could call. the front runner now. He sits down for. an interview with KTLA's Annie Ramos. And look at what happens. Watch this top. five. >> This is the start of our interview with. Javier Betta in Highland Park. >> By the way, this is a profile piece. This is not a gotcha piece. Right.

>> Well, look, I think we're these. questions are fair. It's in order to. learn about you as a candidate. >> So long as it's about the profile. >> I don't know how you define profile, but. I'd like to begin the interview. >> The way I describe profile is you talk. about all the things that I've done, things I want to do, and along with some. tough questions, but not only tough. questions. >> Wow. No. [laughter]. Wow. Disqualified. >> It's great to be a Democrat. No, >> right. It's great to be like no. Republican would ever sit down with.

press and be like, "So, of course, this. is going to be a nice profile of me, right, with just a couple hard. questions.". >> Well, look, to be fair, I mean, I I'll. give you two examples on the Republican. side, obviously on a federal level, but. I hate this behavior regardless of who. does it. So, you know, on the Republican. side, we know how Trump treats. journalists who ask him questions he. doesn't like. He just called a. journalist stupid this week because she. asked a question about how the cost of. the White House ballroom has doubled. And then he just said it doubled in. size. You're stu It doubled in size. I. doubled it in size. You're stupid.

You're stupid. You know what? Woman. Um. Pete Hexith. Uh I mean it wasn't. reporters in this case, but he's sitting. before members of Congress to answer. questions, important questions about. what's going down in Iran and he just, you know, he excoriates them whenever. they ask a question he doesn't like and. he accuses them of acting in bad faith. Um in regard to Democrats though, no, you don't get to dictate. Javier Bera. doesn't get to dictate which questions. are asked uh in a journalistic. interview. We need to we need to see how.

he answers and handles difficult. questions. So across the board, I don't. care what your political ideology is. If. you are willing to sit down before a. reporter and answer questions, again, you don't get to dictate what they ask. you. You don't get to tell them how they. do their jobs. I will say this in his defense in. setting up such an interview, the. reporter, the journalistic team will. normally pitch to the person what they. have in mind. Like I've I've been. pitched many times that we want to do a.

long profile of you. And I can see how. you would think, yes, okay, so you're. going to do bio, you're going to talk. about arc of career as opposed to just. an interview where we talk about your. policies if you're a politician. That's. not an unusual conversation to happen in. setting it up and pitching it and. getting it and agreeing to it. But to. have the actual candidate sit down and. telegraph openly and on cam, >> I don't want to be asked too many hard. questions. I want the puff piece I was. profile of a profile that I was.

promised. It's pretty extraordinary and. suggest the guy's not ready for prime. time. Um, here is a former Biden. administration official who seems to. feel the same, not about the interview, but about him. Listen to this. This is. on CNN SAT 5B. Whoever is going to be. governor will have to stand up to Donald. Trump. Can I tell you after working in. Joe Biden's administration, I do not. trust Have you ever said to do that? >> Can I Can I just say Whoa. Whoa. >> I don't I don't trust that he would be.

able to do that because and that is the. feeling. You don't trust that he'll be. able to stand up to Trump. >> I don't think that he will be able to. stand up to Trump and lead. And the. reason why anybody on that stage who who. uh. before she answers that can I can I ask. you why. >> because when I saw him in the. administration and I think a lot of. people did and that it's it's people. understand this. It's he was not. effective in governmenting. And I think. that a lot of people in the Biden. administration are talking about this. because they realize that he was not an.

effective HHS secretary. And if you ask. any cabinet secretary, they would tell. you the same thing. >> Wow. How about that? This makes a lot of. sense. Okay, so I wasn't familiar with. that woman. I've actually been on Abby. uh Phillips's show uh with her on the. panel and she like gave me the stink eye. the entire time, but didn't really. debate me on anything. So, I couldn't. figure out what was going on. Now, I. realized she was in the Biden. administration and I was criticizing the. Biden administration at the time.

Anyway, >> uh I just I don't I don't know what to. make of what she has to say there. It. seems like she has a favorite that maybe. she's looking to promote. Who knows? Uh. but I just I wasn't impressed personally. by his debate performance. He served in. the Biden administration. I didn't see. anything stand out that was worthy of. praise to be honest with you. And I. think that we are currently dealing with. a political system where these. politicians think like this is how it's. supposed to work. You know, I I rise up.

I pay my dues. I start low and then I. work my way to a gubanatorial position. in the country without proving a damn. thing about my accomplishments. That's a. huge problem. No, you're not entitled to. that. But it looks like people are going. to go for him based on how he's doing in. the polling. It's kind of surprising. Like I couldn't tell you what Javier. Bera is proposing to do to make. California a better state. And that's a. problem. >> No, he's like vanilla pudding. It's like. that's what I think. It's fine. It's not. like exciting. It's not ice cream. It's.

not like it's just pudding. It's like. kind of squishy and kind of just goes. down without any effort, but like it. doesn't excite anybody, right? Um so. we'll see. We we'll see what happens. with that. But it is interesting to see. the knives coming out for him and and. him feeling defensive. He's not used to. being at the pointy end of the spear. But on brand here, as we're talking. about Democrat candidates who get a pass. or who, you know, the machine gets. behind and then they then you look at. him and you're like, that's what the.

machine is pushing on us. That brings me. to Jack Schllober, who is perhaps better known as JFK's. grandson. >> He's the son of Caroline Kennedy, who. was the sister of JFK Jr. and the. daughter of Jackie and Jack. Uh he he is. the son of Caroline Kennedy and he's an. absolute idiot. He's 33 years old. He is. a total idiot. He went to Harvard and. Yale. He's got a law degree and a.

business degree. And it just if there's. better proof that those things mean. nothing when you've got a family. connection in particular, I don't know. of it. So he decided to run for a US. House seat for the upper west and east. side of Manhattan, my old hot where I. used to live for many years. And this is. because Jerry Nadler said he was. retiring. Um it's a safe Democrat seat. there. There are I I think I was the. last Republican uh on the Upper West.

Side, although I lived in a building. with a bunch of Orthodox Jewish people. who tend to vote Republican. So may. maybe not the last, but one of the last. And um this this is the seat he's. running for. So the New York Times, Anna, does a pretty lengthy hit piece on. him and what a mess he's been in this. campaign. And he I'll just give you some. highlights. Uh they say, okay, he he. announced his campaign. Uh his aids teed. up calls with frenzied media outlets,

Democratic luminaries, and a roster of. wealthy donors. They uh wanted to. project that he was a serious candidate. ready for what was promised to be a. grueling race. But just hours into his. day one launch, the candidate abruptly. announced a change of plans. According. to three people familiar with the. events, forget dialing for dollars, Mr. Schlloberg said. >> he needed a nap. [laughter]. Real who hasn't been there to be honest. Wow. He then effectively disappeared for. the day keeping his team reeling. Uh and.

they turn, it turns out this is. evidently, they write, par for the. course. They go on to say that he can't. keep anybody on staff. They've described. an operation so erratic and plagued by. turnover that it raises questions about. how he might handle himself as a member. of Congress. Early on, he would. regularly blow off weekly strategy. meetings. Called for his benefit, he. made a habit of disappearing for long. stretches with little notice or. explanation. Uh, he did carve out time. to swim or paddle board in the Hudson. most days. So, don't get too attached to.

Josh Lberg because he obviously must. have contracted some hideous disease. No. one swims in the Hudson. Don't do that. >> He's pushed boundaries on social media. Oh, that's one way of putting it. Talking about his jizz. Forgive me, but. like making cocktails with it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. A that came out of nowhere. >> He's never held a job. Like, end of. story. >> They Hello. Never. Never. And they. actually they point this out like the. the Times is ripping him to shreds. talking about how the only thing he's. accomplished is he worked for Vogue as a.

correspondent for like a couple of. freelance articles that went nowhere and. then worked for John Krey for four. months at the State Department doing. absolutely nothing. So like that's it. He's 33. By this point you should have. something. >> Oh for sure. I mean 33 you've never held. down a job. You think that it's to I. mean, the fact that he. says out loud, "I need a nap." Tells you. everything you need to know. [laughter]. I mean, try try telling your boss that,

okay, you're going to get no sympathy. >> Am I am I starting to like him? Something's happening inside [laughter]. of me. >> I mean, but I um I got a lot of years on. him. >> Well, you got to at least appreciate. that he's saying the quiet part out. loud. I mean, there's so many. politicians who think the same things. and still do the same things but get. away with it. So, I don't know why the. New York Times has it out for him, but. I'm glad they do because it's important. for people to know this. What gives him.

the entitlement to a House seat when he. hasn't been able to prove himself in any. place of work? He has never worked for. anyone. What makes anyone think he would. work for the American people in New. York? >> Exactly right. And Nancy Pelosi endorsed. him. How dare she? He's not qualified. for this position. He's got the uh. former Ted Kennedy people advising him. He's got Ron Clay, who was Biden's chief. of staff for a time, helping him out, advising him. Like, he's got all these.

sort of luminaries within the Democratic. party because he's a Kennedy. Um. although nobody knows that because his. last name is Schllober because he's, you. know, it's he's the son of a of a female. Kennedy. Um here he is. Apparently, he got nobody paid attention. to this candidate forum that he. participated in because no one gives a. who represents the upper east and. west side of Manhattan. But he did. participate in one and the times went. and reported on it. And he got rather. irritated, Anna, when the subject of his. lack of any credentials or experience.

came up. Watch. The last 6 months, I've. run a campaign that has introduced me to. thousands of New Yorkers that I've met. and gotten them incredibly excited about. politics in a time when a lot of people. feel very disillusioned. I think some. people um who know of you uh are. wondering about your sort of your resume. and and what you've accomplished and I. think perhaps your answer that question. about your top accomplishment citing the. campaign might again raise flags for. people about inexperience. Do you want. to say a little bit more about. qualifications for Congress and.

>> I haven't met any of those people but. I'd love if you introduce me to them. I've been working in politics and in. government since Obama ran in 2008 and I. went to volunteer on his campaign. I. worked at the State Department uh for. Secretary of State John Kerry. I was a. volunteer EMT in college. While you may. not think that content creation and. building a following based on speaking. out for what you believe in at a time. when others were unwilling, uh, taking. on your own family members, traveling. across the country to every single swing. state, serving as a delegate at the DNC. is an experience I do. I participate in.

giving the profile and courage award out. every single year at the John Kennedy. Library and I passed the bar in the top. 1% of the country. Anna. >> painful. >> He he was a content creator. That's the. public service. The question was what. public service have you had that would. recommend you for this job? He's a. content creator at a time when few. wanted to do it. Well, look, let me ask. you a serious question about this. because I've been thinking about this. issue for a few years now.

I feel like we're having a very serious. competency problem in the United States. in our political class. >> Oh yes. >> And agreed. >> What has definitely highlighted this for. me yet again is how the war against Iran. is going because what I'm and it's not. about like oh let's put the question of. whether or not we should have done what. we did away for a second. Just talk. about the two different sides, the. United States and Iran, and how both.

sides are carrying out this war. Iran has been incredibly strategic, incredibly strategic, and they are. winning this war as a result of that. And so it's not just Trump. Trump is. surrounded by advisers. Trump is. surrounded by career politicians in his. ear telling him what to do. And I just. >> do people understand how stupid our. government looks on the international. stage. And I don't think that's fair to. the American people. I don't think that. there are I don't think our country is. full of dumb people. I just think that.

our political system, for some reason, seems to incentivize or attract some of. the dumbest people to raise their hands. and say, "I want to be a public. servant." But they're never really. public servants. Even if they wanted to. be public servants, they wouldn't even. know how. They don't care. They just. don't care. They're not really educated. on how our government works, what. international law is. They don't care. about any of that stuff. They just want. a position of power. And for what? Insider trading. that a lot of that's.

going on in Congress. >> So, >> yes, >> right now the American people are. furious. We look embarrassing on the. international stage and it's just not. right. It really isn't. I mean, our fall. from grace uh didn't happen overnight. And I think we really do need to invest. in better schooling and education. And. we got to bring back home economics. Like, we need to teach Americans and. civics. Yes. Like there's so many. elements of public education for. instance that have been cut out that I.

think we need to reintroduce again. So. we raise people who can compete with. people in China who can compete on the. international stage. We can't do it when. other countries rising superpowers are. investing everything they have into. future generations. We're not doing any. of that here in the United States. >> These are all excellent points. I mean, and look at it. It doesn't matter where. you go to school because this guy, as I. point out, is a Harvard law or Harvard. and Yale law and business graduate. I. mean, he's got all the credentials in. the world. It didn't take it didn't.

work. So, it's not necessarily about. where you get your degree. It's about. actually learning and becoming a smart. person and being attuned to what's. happening around you. I when you were. talking the thing that came to mind. really was social media but social media. could be both the death and the. resurrection of. good people in Congress. I think on the. one hand people don't want to run. because they don't want all their. mistakes or their I don't know missteps. to be thrown in their face you know ad. nauseium. People who have made whatever.

mistakes in their personal lives or. their professional lives know that. they're going to get dragged and they. don't want to do it. It's so brutal. It's so brutal. And then at the end, even if you get the prize, what happens? You're not respected. It's not a. position that's respected anymore. So. why put yourself through it? And then if. even if like the presidency is still. generally respected, but you get that, you probably, you know, you might get a. bullet in the head like, geez, this all. this this doesn't sound that great. >> Yeah. >> Um Well, also so there's that problem. But I but m maybe on the other hand, just the second piece of it was like our.

kids, they've they've grown up immersed. in social media. They're used to having. all, not mine in particular, but most. have had their lives out there since the. time they were twins. And it's like it's. past embarrassment territory. Like. everyone's had all their thoughts and. lives on the internet forever. There's. no embarrassing anybody or doing so. Maybe we'll get a better crop in about. 10 years when you get to these kids who. are like, "Oh, it. I'm good." Yeah. I mean, I would I would love for people. to be able to see through the obvious.

political smears, right? When people. bring up like, if you're showing me a. post by someone when they were like 14. or 15 years old, how about you off? I'm not interested. Right? Like we we. need to create a culture that. stigmatizes. that kind of dirt. Yes. Right. And so. because we do need to incentivize good. people who want to improve the country. to run for political office. And by the. way, what's happening to Congressman.

Massie right now with these. >> No, we're going to talk about that next. >> Okay. Yeah. Because it just I think it's. sick. I think it's absolutely sick. And. I'm saying this as someone who disagrees. with him on a lot of policies, but what. I love about Congressman Massie is that. he's real. He's authentic. He's a good. faith actor. And he's principled. It is. nearly impossible to find anyone in. Congress like that. So to lose him. >> to, you know, a Israel lobby funded. candidate would be absolutely awful. But.

we could. >> would make perfect sense. >> I mean I mean it shows you how our. elections actually work, right? How. money in politics is really a a terrible. >> Wait, hold that thought. I want to do. Massie. I want to do that discussion. properly, but I just I have one more for. you on Schllober [clears throat] before. we leave him. So, one of the other. things the Times points out is that, you. know, he's he's got his famous social. media feed, which is very nasty and had. some of the examples I just mentioned. Um, but apparently, as he's been running. for office, he's been using it for,

among other uh things, to plagiarize the. posts of other Democrats he likes. without credit. So, I guess Seth Molton, a Democrat of Massachusetts, posted. something after the Maduro raid. Um, can. we let's do we have the Seth Oh, we have. it spliced. Okay. So, I'm going to show. you here Seth Molton's post and it's. spliced with with the one Schllober. posted like the next day which was. clearly copied off of Seth Seth Molton.

without credit or attribution. Watch. >> I'm recording this today with a serious. message. >> Tonight, I have a serious message. >> This week, we learned two disturbing. things. >> Two things happened this week that. should make you feel disturbed. First, President Trump's announcement this. morning that airspace over Venezuela. should be considered closed as he weighs. military action. >> First, Trump ordered that airspace. around the country of Venezuela be shut. down as he considers whether to take. additional military action there. >> The US does not have the authority to. close airspace over another country.

Trump is preparing for war, a war. Congress has not declared. >> The US has not declared war on. Venezuela. and the US does not have the authority. to shut down the airspace around another. country. >> Second, yesterday news broke that. Secretary Hegsth allegedly ordered the. Joint Special Operations Commander to. conduct a second strike to kill two. survivors. If we were at war, that would. be a war crime. But we aren't at war, so. it's murder. >> If we were at war, that would be. considered a war crime. Since we aren't,

some are calling it murder. >> It's identical. He copied him almost. word for word to the point where Seth. Molton's office noticed reports the. times and called Schllothberg's office. saying WTF and they had to admit that he. did it. They were like well he liked it. >> Oh my gosh. >> That's what his excuse was. Well, I. liked it. >> Yes. [laughter]. >> I can't. >> He then had to. >> I can't believe it. >> Add an addendum that he copied Seth. Bolton. [laughter].

He's an idiot. Well, I was looking for I. I always try to give people the benefit. of the doubt. Like, think about all the. other possibilities before you assume. that the person did the bad thing, right? So, we all know that when it. comes to political parties or political. groups, they'll pass around talking. points and they'll literally just read. the talking points or tweet or post the. talking points. So, I thought maybe. there's a possibility that they were. sent the same script and so they both. read the script, but no, that's not what. happened. This is unbelievable. I mean,

how how did this guy get into IV. leagues? I wonder. Gee, could it be his. >> I know. I know. Wow. >> It's so annoying because think about it. You know, I there are so many kids out. there right now in like lower to middle. class communities who are working their. asses off with like a dream of improving. their station in life by getting into. one of these Ivy League colleges. >> Yeah. like the thought of getting an. education at Yale and Harvard, getting a.

law degree, right, is is truly it would. be truly life-changing for said young. man or woman and their family. And they. don't get to go because this prick for. no reason other than his mom is who she. is and his grandparents were who they. were takes the slot. And what does he do. with this? this this rich. entitled jerk does absolutely nothing. He fusses around with it. Does some tour. in a van. Pumps up his social media.

Works for John Kerry for 4 months in yet. another role that probably should have. gone to somebody else. does some limited. stint for Vogue, writing about the. Democratic National Convention, and then. wants thinks that he's entitled to. represent a very large community with, by the way, a lot of heavy hitters on. the upper east side and upper west side. of Manhattan, and it goes beyond that. district. So, like, him is in his. entitlement. I I really look forward to. his humiliation.

And honestly, if the if the residents of. upper New York, upper Manhattan, vote. for this guy to represent their. interest, they they they're going to get. exactly what they reser what they. deserve, which is to be embarrassed. He. will implode. He will not make it past. the first year in office. He won't. It's. very clear to me, and I've said before, he's mentally ill. He's not just weird. This guy is very obviously mentally ill. He was reportedly urged by his own. mother not to do this. They they knew.

within the family he's off. There's. something wrong with this guy. And it. took only time for it to be exposed. It's we need to worry more about the. ones who for whom it's never exposed. until they get into office and then they. unleash their crazies on their proposed. legislation. >> Um okay, so let's talk about Massie. because that's actually the most. interesting story I think in the news. today. So Thomas Massie um has easily. won his prior elections and he's beloved. as a Republican in the state of. Kentucky. However, this time around,

thanks to two factors, I think it's fair. to say, he could lose his primary. He. might not even be the Republican. nominee. And I think those two factors, you tell me, you probably been following. it more closely, but are President Trump. who's very annoyed that Massie has. continuously bucked the president's. demands, whether it's on Epstein or. other matters, like I don't think he. voted for the extension of Trump's tax. cuts. You know, he's like a fiscal hawk. and that and so on. And the Israel.

lobby, which he's been critical of. Israel, which is like very very rare now. the for a Republican. and um he's had. the full power of the Israel lobby, whether it's Apac or Miriam Add-Israel, pro-Jewish groups who are just. unleashing cash to promote his primary. opponent who's been backed by the. president in the again Republican. primary that's about to take place. So. now as we inch up to that vote, we get.

of course the 11th hour drop of a of a. woman alleging he was somehow. emotionally abusive to her. His he it's. like he was dating her for a couple of. months. He was emotionally abusive and. he offered me $60,000 hush money. And. then Thomas Massie has a lawyer come out. to say she was alleging this about her. ex-husband in their divorce proceedings. at the same time. And the judge found. her so not credible. He threw out the.

allegations. So spare me. But man, the. heft of the campaign that's been. unleashed against Massie tells us what. I mean, it tells you that uh our. elections are bought and if you don't. play nice with the Israel lobby, they'll. do whatever it takes to crush you. Uh. and they'll have smear pieces written. about you. I mean, that's what's. happening right now as we speak. I mean, you look at the campaign funding for. Galp uh what's his name? Galprin, I I. don't even know. Galpin. >> Yeah, Galprin. Uh he's most of his money.

is from out of state and it's from. people who prioritize Israel over the. American people. I I'm kind of shocked. to see that his challenger is rising in. the polls. In fact, uh yesterday for the. first time, there was one poll that. showed uh that he not only closed uh. Massiey's lead, but he has now, you. know, passed Massie in the polling. And. so what this communicates to us is that. our elections and our so-called.

democracy isn't real, right? That uh. moneyed interests are the ones who. control everything. They get to decide. who they elect. and a lobby that is far. more concerned with a foreign country. has more power than ordinary Americans. who live and care about this country, live in and care about this country. So, we really like I just I am terrified. that he's going to beat Massie in the. primary. Not only because I think it's. unfair to Massie, who's a principled. politician, a unicorn really when you.

think about it. Um, I'm worried that. this is going to disenfranchise voters. to a point where they're just not going. to participate in any election. And then. what? And then what happens, right? So. there's I I just don't know how to solve. this other than calling for a. constitutional amendment that takes. money out of politics. We shouldn't. allow corporate interests. We shouldn't. allow pharmaceutical companies or. defense contractors who are just loaded.

with cash to buy our elections. We. shouldn't allow a lobby for a foreign. country to buy our elections. But it's. happening on a regular basis. And if. people are wondering why Americans, you. know, have lost trust in our. institutions, this is a big reason why. >> It's so true. Um, I want to correct. myself. The opponent is Gal Rain. E A L. L R E I N. Um, and he has received.

four at least $4 million or they've. spented on ads supporting him from the. Republican Jewish Coalition. Uh, he has received money $2.6 million. at least has been spent on ads. supporting him by Apac um by the Apac. Super PAC, United Democracy Project. Um, all according to AD I impact. And then. there's more. This is one example of an. Apex super PAC um ad against Massie. that's airing now 17.

>> What happened to Thomas [music] Massie? He's flipped. Massie started out as a. conservative Republican [music] but now. votes with liberal Democrats. Massie. flipped and voted against funding. Trump's border wall. He voted against. increased border patrol. And on Israel, Massie votes [music] with AOC and Ilan. Omar again and again. Massiey's a. flipping disaster. That's why President. Trump supports [music] Ed Galrine for. Congress. UDP is responsible for the. content of this ad.

>> We're 40 $40 trillion in debt. $40. trillion. The Pentagon wants us to. believe that the war against Iran is. just going to cost, you know, somewhere. between 25 billion to $29 billion. That. is a lie. and it's going to add to our. devastating federal debt, which uh we. are spending a trillion dollars a year. servicing it at this point. So, I mean, we're we go ahead. I was just going to. say we also just got the latest.

inflation numbers. It's up 3.8%. >> Just to go back and see um when. President Trump took office in January. of 2025, the inflation rate was 3.0. Um but then by uh January of 26 he had. gotten it down to 2.4%. And now it's up at 3.8%. >> And it is because of energy prices. >> That's obviously related to the war. >> Uh gas is up 28.4%. These numbers just.

came out yesterday. Food is up 3.2%. Shelter is up 3.3%. So all these costs. are factored in. Inflation is going the. wrong way. And yeah, we're worried. about, you know, Massie and some woman. who obviously is trying to take him down. a week before the election. Um, I don't. know what's going to happen in this. race, but I do I agree with you that a a. super PAC that's whose number one. concern is the dollars that we send to.

Israel and what the United States's. stance on Israel is should not be. determining what's good for Kentucky or. Kentucky voters or the United States of. America. I mean, this is just, you know, we allow it. We allow CARE to spend. We. allow Apac to spend. It's just. because they spend and they. spend a lot and it's not for domestic. interests at all. It's for their own. interests and you know there's just the. other thing I was going to say when you. were like why do we get such shitty. politicians is I I remember where I was. at Fox News. I was sitting in my office.

which I shared at the time with Major. Garrett when Citizens United was decided. by the US Supreme Court and it was this. decision that declared it's free speech. for these companies to spend as much as. they want in these political elections. And I didn't disagree with the ruling as. a legal matter, but it was a watershed. moment, not just in our like political. spending, but in the the way politics. would be and who would be in them in. America. Because now, >> Anna, what we have is like every.

jurisdiction is just controlled by big. money donors. Yes. >> You don't have to make deals with people. across the aisle because your little. jurisdiction is going to be funded by. two or three very rich Republicans or. Democrats depending on where you live. and you really just have to answer to. them and oftenimes they don't want you. to make any deals and they're your your. daddy. So like you do what they. want and it doesn't matter how much. pressure gets put on you and it allows. things like this for groups like this to. spend unlimited amounts and you know get.

you to bend the knee for them. Now, if. this guy gets, you know, the nomination, how's he going to vote when it comes to. is funding for Israel, which is actually. becoming one of the issues that they're. debating in more and more political. campaigns given the changing sentiment. on Israel in America. It's like this is. how it's done and this is a massive. problem and I don't know what the. solution is to that. Well, I mean, like. I said, I think that it's important to. rein in the money in politics through a. constitutional amendment. That's really. the only way to do it. I Okay, so let's.

go back to the Citizens United ruling, which I agree with you was a watershed. moment. I I just find it strange that. the argument in favor of that ruling was. that well, you know, corporations are. engaging in free speech by u spending. unlimited amounts of money in these. elections and on these particular. candidates. But what about the uh speech. of the ordinary citizen? How is the. ordinary citizen supposed to compete. with a billionaire or a group of.

billionaires or with a well-funded uh. lobby that is far more concerned with a. foreign country than our own? How are. you supposed to compete and don't our. speech rights matter as well? And I. mean, one of the issues. >> Well, that's a policy argument. You're. right. I I would I would totally support. a constitutional amendment along these. lines, but you know, the Supreme Court. can't there you basically you have the. right to speak, but you don't have the. right to have your voice be the loudest. one in the room. And so they wouldn't. factor that in on how it's going to. affect the little guy. That's for our.

lawmakers who are a bunch of pwords. You. know, there's just no leadership. There's no leadership. And that's I. mean, I got to admit, I don't know that. much about Thomas Massie. I know he's. been a thorn in the president's side, and I've seen people I respect on the. right say they can't stand him because. he hasn't backed the president's agenda, and they found it really frustrating. But I would say on a personal matter. like I respect that he has principles. and he votes them. I that's what I like. about Rand Paul too. >> He doesn't go with the wind. He seems to.

have a real worldview and he sticks by. it when he's in office. You know, I like. that in my politicians. I do. Uh I like. I'm much more amendable to the latest. argument because I'm a lawyer and so. like I'm always trying to upgrade my. information and my opinions. Politicians, they run on a platform and. then they we expect them to govern based. on what they promise. So I and I see. what's being done to him. It's they're. clearly trying to tear him apart. >> because of his stance on Israel or at. least that faction is trying to tear him. down and they're pouring so much money.

into this race and they're it's working. and it's disturbing. >> It is disturbing. I one final thing I'll. say about Massie. You know, people keep. bringing up that he is authored in. Trump's side, but make no mistake, this. isn't because they have like significant. ideological differences per se. The only. areas in which Congressman Massie votes. against Trump's agenda is when he sees. that the legislation is going to add to. our federal debt, which is a problem. It. just is. And you know, to be honest with.

you, Megan, I mean, ever since I've been. an adult and I've been working in the. field I work in, I've heard Republican. members of Congress talk about the. federal debt, talk about the deficit. over and over again, but they never seem. to really care about it after they get. elected. Thomas Massie though, >> they don't care. >> Thomas Massie is different. And so that. principled stance, I think, is relevant. And also, he's willing to work with the. other side when there is common ground. on behalf of the American people. And. yes, I'm talking about the release of.

the Epstein files. That was promised to. the American people by the Trump. campaign, but Trump didn't want to. release the files. and Massie was brave. enough to step up to the plate, work. with Marjgerie Taylor Green, work with. Roana, do what it what was necessary to. get those files released. Now, we don't. have the full files yet, uh, but still. what he managed to do is admirable, and. there's no way in hell his political. opponent in this primary race would do. the same. >> Yeah. And we have seen actual things.

happen as a result of it, more so in the. UK than in America. But a lot of folks. have been outed as doing nefarious. things in those files and we wouldn't. know about it if it weren't for the push. to make that law now that the law has a. huge exception in it that they're. exploiting to withhold certain. documents. But I mean, they should be. careful in withholding too much because. when we get a Democratic administration. in there, if they're were holding. withholding stuff that makes Republican. donors look bad, etc., what do you think.

the next administration is going to do? So, in any event, it's good that we got. the law passed. We'll see what happens. with this um with this particular. primary. I want to mention, we we talked. just a second ago about inflation and. how much it's rising now. And obviously. everyone's looking at this just because. they care about their wallet and they. also care about it politically. What is. it going to mean if it keeps going, you. know, through the summer, into the fall, and into the midterms? Well, President. Trump was on camera on Monday, and he.

was asked, was it Monday? Uh, yeah, I. think so. He was asked a question, um, do we have it? Yeah. about whether he. thinks about Americans financial. situations when he's dealing with the. Iranians in the context of these. settlement talks and this has gone. everywhere now as a potential campaign. ad that's going to be used against him. I have my own thoughts on it but I want. to get yours too. S 21, >> when you're negotiating with Iran, Mr. President, to what extent are Americans.

financial situations motivating you to. make a deal? >> Not even a little bit. it. The only. thing that matters when I'm talking. about Iran, they can't have a nuclear. weapon. I don't think about Americans. financial situation. I don't think about. anybody. I think about one thing. We. cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon. That's all. That's the only thing that. motivates. >> Okay. Okay. So, there's no question that. that answer will be cut and will wind up. in ads uh by all Democrats opposing any.

Republican going into the midterms and. maybe beyond, right? Anybody who worked. for the Trump administration may have to. answer for that in 28, right? I don't. think about the concerns of Americans at. all, the financial concerns. But I do. think the president is being taken out. of context a bit on this because the. question was about when you're doing the. negotiations with Iran in trying to. settle the war. And I think it's fair. for a commander-in-chief to say in that. moment, no, I'm just thinking about I. can't let this opponent, this this. country I see as an opponent, as an.

enemy, get a nuclear weapon. That's why. I launched the war. This is Trump's. story. So, I actually think he should be. more careful with his language because. it's going to get used against his. people. But I do think on this. particular one, the president's being. unfairly bashed. However, it's also true. that he needs to be more focused on. what's happening with the people's. economy, with their with their. pocketbooks, Anna, because that's all. they seem to care about. They don't like. this war. They don't like what he's. doing on virtually any issue. And not.

virtually, on any issue. He's not above. water on any issue. And we've got six. months to go for him to try to change. that. Your thoughts on it? >> I I definitely disagree with you in. terms of him being taken out of context. because he's the president of the United. States. And so he has to consider the. context of what he's doing. And he. genuinely believes and I I can't even. believe this because the whole thing. with the enriched uranium is a cover. story by the Israelis. Israelis just. wanted to goat us into war so we do.

regime change or. >> Yes. >> or turn Iran into a failed state. I. guess he has been surrounded with so. many pro-Israel people uh fear-mongering. and pretending to care about Iran's. enriched uranium that he's starting to. believe it and to the point where he. thinks that is more important than the. absolute devastation and destruction. that he is bringing to the American. people by being involved in this illegal. war. So I just I I'm not going to give. him a pass on this at all. Any president.

who says I don't think about Americans. financial situation not even a little. bit that's not a good president. Your. number one priority needs to be the. American people. >> saying macro. >> Mhm. >> You know he was saying in this. particular context that's not where I. think I think if she had phrased it. >> what do you ever think about Americans. economic situation question mark the. answer would have been very different. >> I haven't he's got to be careful. He's. the president and it's going to be held. against him. Right. I I hope so too. Um,

always a pleasure, my friend. Great to. see you. Keep giving him help. >> Thank you. Good to be here. >> All right, up next, really looking. forward to my very first conversation. with Gregory Bo. Um, he's ready to talk. very openly about the border patrol, what happened between Gnome and Homeman. and Trump, and where our actual. deportation [music]. strategy truly stands now. Hey, thanks for watching today's full. episode. If you're new here, throw us a. subscribe. See what you think. Stay in.

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strategy. If he had it his way, there. would not be even one illegal immigrant. left in this country. Right on. So, it. made him the perfect fit for the Trump. administration. And earlier this year, at the height of the immigration. crackdowns, it was Bovino serving as. President Trump's border patrol. commander at large. But after the deaths. of Renee Good and Alex Prey in. Minnesota, which they brought on. themselves, Bevino was sent back to. California. And then in March, he. retired. a total loss for us. So now.

he's on the outside and he's not holding. back giving the inside story about where. the promise of mass deportations stands. now. Gregory Bevino, welcome to the. show. It's a pleasure to have you on. >> Well, Megan, thanks for having me. It's. good to see you. >> Yeah, you as well and thank you so much. for your service and for taking the PR. beating that came with your very. difficult job. I mean, it was of course. going to happen, but it was particularly.

nasty and it was undeserved and you were. doing something truly noble and brave. Um, let me start it off right where we. are as a show because we were shocked to. hear Tom Holman go on CBS News and sound. like the door was potentially open in a. Trump administration to amnesty. Here he. was on CBS on May 5th. S 58. Would you. support a compromise, sir, that involves. giving legal status to the millions of.

people who are here illegally but are. otherwise law-abiding, including. dreamers? >> I'm not going to get ahead of the. president on that. That's president. You. know, I work for the president. So, you. know, that's. >> something has to be done to address that. population or is a solution to deport. them all. >> that I'm not going to get ahead of. president. That's, you know, the. president's talking to various. um members of his cabinet. There's. discussions going on. I'm involved with. some and not others, but I'm not going. to get ahead the president on this.

>> So, he says he's not going to get ahead. of the president when asked if they're. getting ready to give amnesty to some. faction of the illegals, which, you. know, everybody was like, "What is is. did somebody jump into Tom Hman, who we. love, into his head and like reprogram. things? What's happening?" And then he. came out with Will Kaine over on Fox and. suggested that he'd been taken out of. context in that exchange. We went back.

and looked at it. There was nothing out. of context. The question was very. simple. The answer was ambiguous. He. wouldn't just say, "We want all the. illegals out and that's our goal." He. said, "I don't want to get ahead of the. president." When specifically asked. whether there's an amnesty deal. potentially in the works. So then I. asked my team, Gregory, I'm pretty sure. that H Homeman has said in the past when. asked this same question, no, all. illegals have to go. And was never. hesitant to say all illegals have got to.

go and didn't try to hedge like I'm not. going to get ahead of the president. And. this is what we found when we look back. to see his rhetoric on that issue. >> If you're in the country illegally, you're on the table. Every time you. enter this country illegally, you. violated a crime under Title 8, United. States Code 1325. It's a crime. So, if. you're in the country legally, you got a. problem. If you're in the country. legally, it's not okay. It's not okay to. violate laws of this country. But when. we find them, he's going to be with. others most likely. Many times they're.

with others. If they're in the country. legally, they're coming, too. We're. going to have a mass deportation, but. we're going to prioritize the arrest of. criminals and public safety threats. I. said from day one, if you're if in the. country legally, you're not off the. table. No one's off the table. If in. this country in violation of law, we. will deport you when we find you. It's. that plain and simple. If you're in the. country illegally, you're not you're. never off the table. Let me say this. If the message we send is you enter this.

country illegally, it's a crime, don't. worry about it. You can have your due. process, show up in court, not show up. in court, get order moved. Don't worry. about it. Unless you commit a serious. crime, you're good to go. And if that's. the message we sent to the world, you're. never going to fix this problem. >> Okay. So, how did we get from that to a. question? Would you support a compromise. that involves giving legal status to the. millions of people who are here. illegally but are otherwise lawabiding,

including dreamers? Omen. I'm not going. to get ahead of the president on that. I. work for the president. >> Megan, the first thing I would say on. that is don't be a politician. Borders. are is not a politician. Border Patrol. agents aren't politicians. It's black. and white. As you said, that's a black. and white subject. You're either here. illegally or you're not. If you're here. illegally, then those mass deportations. make sense for everyone. every single.

one of those illegal aliens here. Uh. going back and hedging on that or not. wanting to to get ahead of another. politician on that. Uh vastly different. than what we heard a year ago. And when. we heard that a year ago, uh we heard. that loud and clear, not just from Tom. Holman, but all through the. administration. We heard that loud and. clear and we acted accordingly. It does. seem like things have changed uh over. this past year. And whether that's.

towards amnesty or less deportations, uh. I think the the book's still open on. that. >> There is reporting um including from the. Atlantic that reports in January the. Labor Department's Foreign Labor. Certification Office announced it would. cut the number of approved visas for. seasonal workers by about 50%. Steven. Miller had been trying for a long time. to get these things cut. He did not want. a lot of seasonal workers coming in. But.

they report that after those two people. were killed in Minneapolis, Trump. reversed the visa cuts and that Miller. was not even aware of the walk back that. Trump made the decision with Homeman. And they write the reversal was one of. the earliest signs that Steven Miller's. influence is on the Wayne. Others have. followed uh the president, for example, dismantling the roving border patrol. strike forces. uh his turning on Gnome. and ejecting of her from the. administration and uh handing of control.

of the deportation program back to. career law enforcement officials. These. are signs they write that the the softer. wing of the immigration deportation. issues is winning and the more. hardliners like Steven Miller are. losing. Is that your belief too? >> It is. It's definitely a softer approach. now. much softer than it was a year ago. when we hit Bakersfield in Operation. Return to Sendinder. That softer. approach, but what's really happening.

here is that softer approach means a. much harder approach for US citizens, for MPA America, the ones that are going. and it's going to happen. Uh, as sure as. the sun rises today, Megan, American. citizens are going to die at the hands. of illegal aliens as well as many other. terrible crimes against American. citizens. It's going to happen. That's. what the softer approach brings. If you. if you note what happened in all six of. those cities that those roving patrols.

that you just mentioned um were taking. place, what happened in all six of those. cities is you didn't see a lot of this. of these heinous crimes by illegal. aliens. they were too afraid of either. being apprehended and deported or they. just buttoned up and wouldn't even come. out. That's what we want to do with uh. roving patrols with mass deportations is. make it so hard on them that they don't. harm American citizens and then they. self-epport. The softer approach does. not do that. Increasing visas does not.

do that. It's black and white. It's a. very simple concept and it does seem. like things have changed that we're. going towards that softer side. >> but again the Atlantic reporting that. we've dismantled the the roving patrols. uh that you of which you speak that we. decided I guess because of Minneapolis. that we were going to take the pedal way. off of the gas take the foot way off of. the gas pedal and this is a distinctive.

shift in policy that they didn't. announce Gregory They don't really want. us to know because after this interview. with CBS, Tom Hman gave a separate. interview where he started to amp up his. rhetoric again and he started to sort of. talk tough again and the the. administration reportedly doesn't really. want to own explicitly that they that. they've gone softer, but it seems very. clear they have. So why did they did the. Democrats win? Did the crazies on the. streets of Minneapolis win?

You know, I think it's got a lot to do. with those that are advising Trump. I've. always said that President Trump was the. best case scenario we've ever had for. both border security and that interior. enforcement piece. And I still think he. is. It's just those individuals advising. him, including many of those politicians. that maybe they're in bed with big. labor. I call those rhinos. I think you. know what a rhino is, >> Megan. And I think that uh he gets a lot.

of pressure or a lot of bad advice. >> from some of those individuals that. don't truly see what's at stake or. perhaps they don't care what's at stake. So when they dismantle a roving patrol, when they dismantle that hardline. immigration enforcement, the effects are. noticeable immediately. Look at the. border numbers now. They're actually. moving border patrol agents, actually. the second iteration of several hundred. border patrol agents to Laredo, Texas. because that border is starting to get.

out of control. Look at our border. numbers. Just two days ago, about 490. border crossers. If you take a look uh. at uh approximately a year ago when we. were doing those roving patrols in the. interior, oftentimes those border. crosser numbers would be 90 to 100 a. day. Now they're 490 approaching 500. today and a lot more gotaways coming. across the border. So. >> and and and the the reason the reason. why you stated it and we pulled this.

article which I I feel like you're. you're going to agree with every word of. this but you'll tell me is as follows. Uh this was posted to the Substack Old. Patrol HQ. Uh, old patrol HQ is a. retired border patrol agent of 25 years. who just delivers unfiltered truths. And. this is what he wrote. He wrote an. article about you. Why Gregory Bavino. had to go. He writes as follows. For. decades, the US has operated under an. unwritten but ironclad understanding. If.

you manage to sneak sneak past the. border patrol agents and CBP officers at. the border, you've effectively bought. yourself a ticket to stay. Call it what. it is, a social contract with illegal. aliens. The message is clear. Play by. the rules of this unspoken deal. No. other crimes or any other serious crimes. and the system leaves you alone. Uh they. write he goes on to say, let's say, I'm. just going through the highlights. Men. like former ICE director and borders are. Tom Hman and CBP commissioner Rodney.

Scott are widely respected and revered. for their careers in immigration. enforcement and their public stances on. immigration. um especially during the. Biden autopen presidency and they've. spent years sounding tough on TV. They. say publicly how all illegals everywhere. are quote on the table. Uh but then says. and while it's absolutely true that the. border has been more shut down, secured. is another matter entirely in this. administration. Even they are firmly. loathed and reluctant to break the.

boundaries of this social contract. Enforcement priorities have almost. always focused on criminals. recent. border crossers with detainers or those. already in the system. And then. reiterates though that illegal aliens. have to commit rape, murder, or some. type of heinous crime before they are. targeted for arrest and deportation. because we've agreed we've basically. agreed that if you don't commit an. additional crime, you can stay. And he. goes on to say, this is exactly why you. became radioactive because you were. pushed out because your approach exposed.

the uncomfortable truth everyone else. had been ignoring. America no longer. seems to have the will, the stamina, the. drive, or the desire to chase down. millions of illegals who are now already. on detainers or warrants. The country. has quietly accepted a de facto amnesty. for anyone who stays out of trouble. That's so true. Is that is that totally. true, Gregory? It. >> it is in many aspects. I'll tell you, it's easy to talk tough when Biden's in. office or Hussein Obama was in office or.

Billy Clinton in office. It's mighty. easy to talk tough, but when it when it. comes to actually putting hands on those. illegal aliens and deporting, you start. seeing it starts separating immigration. officers from politicians, immigration. officers from people that like to talk. tough. But when it comes down to. actually doing that work, missing an. action. You know, a lot of those. individuals you mentioned, I never heard. from them for a year. for a year while.

we were in the field at operation at. large throughout those six cities. Never. heard from them for an entire year. Uh. it was on us on us to do this mass. deportations which which was fine. That's good. We we'll accept that. But. you know a lot of work to be done as far. as the will. Do we have the will to do. this? Well, if you talk to everyday. citizens, it sure seems that we do. I. run into citizens every day that say, "Hey, you're going back in the field to. do that." Right? This isn't over, right?

90% of the of the people that I talk to. want that done. 95% of all immigration. officers, I'm talking the rank and file. there. Let's make a distinction here. The rank and file, they want it to be. done. So, there's a lot of will. It's. just I think that will gets lost in the. talking points of those who have lost. their will. the rhinos, the politicians, the people that it scares to get outside. of status quo. And that's what this is. all about is outside of status quo. How.

you going to move the ball down the. field? Moving the ball down the field. sometimes is a very difficult, unprett, dirty process. And you know, you've got. to get you got to get your britches. dirty, in other words. So, I think that. scares a lot of people. It puts them. outside their comfort zone. What happens. to bureaucrats and politicians when. they're outside their comfort zone? All. they see is risk. And a lot of them. don't do well with risk. Life's a risk. Working is a risk. What you're doing.

right now, >> what made the difference here? What made the difference here? Because. President Trump doesn't scare easily. That's true. And but you know, the the. stories out of Minneapolis were. dominating the news. the lies that were. being told about those encounters with. Renee Good and Alex Prey. I mean, we're. used to that, though. We're used to the. mainstream media, so-called lying about. anything having to do with border. enforcement or deportations. So, and the president's poll numbers on. immigration were going down. I mean, not.

unexpectedly as a result of what the. media was doing around these protests. and what the Democrats did in. Minneapolis in particular. So, I could I. could understand from a political. standpoint, which he does have to. consider, how he was like, "At least for. a while, we got to take the temperature. down and we got to get this off the. front page of the newspaper." But what. what should he have done in your view? >> Uh, uh, I think he should have went. harder. Um, some things in Minneapolis. that perhaps he doesn't know is those.

roving patrols that were so instrumental. in quelling that same type of violence. in Chicago, Los Angeles, Charlotte, New. Orleans, and many other cities was. largely absent for those first several. weeks of that Minnesota campaign. I tell. you, I would love to have. >> Who was there? >> That was Border Patrol and ICE. ICE was. there first. Border Patrol came to. assist ICE on a two-day operation. It's. just Megan on that two-day operation. while we were in the air in those Coast.

Guard aircraft on the way to. Minneapolis. That's when Renee Good was. killed and that changed everything. That. two-day operation then turned into a a. several week operation with the Border. Patrol. However, those roving patrols. did not take place. And I think that. >> who who made up Sorry to I keep. interrupting, but who made up the the. roving patrol? Like who was in them? Sure. Remoking patrol, that's a a term. specifically for US Border Patrol. Um, that's our ability to conduct what we. call total spectrum immigration.

enforcement. That means everything. That. means we go out on patrol, we do. targeting. You've heard of the. targeting, uh, we do special operations, use aircraft. That is a total. enforcement package. that that goes after anything. immigration related, not just one. specific subset like targeting or worse. the worst or something like that. So. that is in essence what a roving patrol. is. And we really didn't we never got to. the roving patrol. That also includes. crowd control, riot control, that type.

of thing. And if you look back at Los. Angeles or Chicago, we did very well. with that crowd and riot control to the. point they didn't test us at all in Los. Angeles after that very first day. Same. thing in Chicago. You may have heard of. the Broadview facility. uh the riot. control there. >> They didn't test us. They didn't march. downtown Chicago like everyone was. worried about because we set that. standard very soon. That did not happen. in Minnesota. Uh the ICE folks, they do.

a great job. Their leadership looks at. things at, you know, at a on a different. uh a different plane than we do a. different way. And when you let those. riers and those anarchists get out of. control, uh you've got to put that genie. back in the bottle at some point. We. didn't do that. So I think Mr. Trump uh. I think he would have done that had be. had he been advised correctly, but I I. don't think that he was getting the uh. the proper advisement from whoever was.

advising him. And um that's too bad. because. >> and I don't mean to be dense, Gregory. Just help me understand because I. genuinely want to get it. So would there. be a border patrol group that's there. and an ICE group that's there and a. separate group from Border Patrol called. the roving patrol? >> No, Border Patrol is the roving patrol. That's that's one of the tactics or. strategies that they use for that total. spectrum Immigration Enforcement. Remember the Border Patrol is your. uniformed law enforcement agency. They. have uniforms on. They're sort of like.

your street cops. Think of Border Patrol. as your street cops. uh street cops say. in New York City for instance, they go. out and they knock down street crime. The detectives in New York City, which. are more akin to ICE and Homeland. Security investigations, they. investigate. They do targeted. enforcement, that type of thing. Would. you send your detectives out to do. street crime? No. You would send your. uniformed border patrol agents, your. uniformed cops out to do those roving. patrols, uh, to take on that street.

crime, to take on those everyday duties, to take on those millions of illegal. aliens walking the streets with. impunity. That's definitely a uniforms. law enforcement mission, something the. Border Patrol has done for 102 years. And, you know, I think that that sort of. got upended there in Minneapolis. And um. I hope it comes back because that's the. key to all of this is total spectrum. immigration enforcement, mass. deportations. You have to have a. unformed law enforcement agency on the.

streets doing that. >> Remind me, if memory serves, ICE was. involved maybe in the Renee Good uh. death and border patrol in the Alex. Prey. Is that correct? >> That is correct. Renee Good used a. vehicle and then Alex Prey was in the. streets uh attacking Border Patrol. agents while they were conducting a a. law enforcement mission. They were after. an aggravated felon who actually got. away because of Alex Freddy. I think.

that's something that a lot of people. don't realize is that individual that. Border Patrol was actively seeking ended. up getting away because Alex Freddy. injected himself into that situation. One of the things that went wrong in the. wake of those deaths was the messaging. around it. I think Christy, my own. belief is Christine Gnome in what I. think was a well-meaning effort to have. the backs of her guys overstated the.

defense. You know, she went hard against. Alex Prey in a way that the facts just. didn't support, like that he was there. to kill a bunch of cops. I can't. remember her exact language, but it went. too far and there wasn't factual support. for it. How do you see what Christy. Gnome said around those two incidents? Because I believe you're a fan of hers, but what what do you make of the. messaging? >> One of the things I think the secretary. secretary gnome wanted to do there was. get information and messaging out as.

soon as possible. In many of these. shootings that we see throughout law. enforcement, you wonder what happened. Um those conspiracy theories and stories. start percolating up rather quickly. She. wanted to get out ahead of that and I. thought that was pretty a pretty smart. move on her part is to get out ahead of. it, get some information out there as. soon as possible where she got her. talking points from. Um, what higher. entity that she collaborated with for. those talking points, uh, I understand. that did take place and she put those. talking points out there. I think that.

was in a good faith effort to put. information out there so that the. American public could understand that. what there that one there was a problem. there in in Minneapolis and that there. were responsible parties for that. It. didn't just happen. >> So, she didn't she didn't come up with. that on her own. You're saying somebody. gave her those so-called facts. Who. >> you know? I think that she she worked. with uh individuals on that messaging. within the administration and I think.

she. >> White House people or ICE or Border. Patrol people. >> probably all the above. and um that was with. >> Do you know but you're just being. diplomatic? >> Yeah. Um no, I think that's the best. information. Remember there was a lot of. information that no one had at that. point like what type of a weapon Alex. had or you know what exactly was going. on. So, she put that information out as. soon as she could and based on what. information was available at the time. and uh you know, I think that uh that.

was definitely a good faith effort on. her part to put some information out uh. regarding the situation. >> Yeah, you can't that's the problem is. like putting information out is great, but don't don't say facts you can't. support because then it undermines. everybody involved. That's what. happened. Do you think I mean how would. you describe your departure from the. administration? >> Well, I I tell you I certainly missed my. mean green team. Uh a lot of folks said. I was man uh I was up for mandatory.

retirement. Actually had a year left. So. I had some more gas in the tank there. for mass deportations. I would say that. I'm a mass deportations kind of a guy. and many in the administration are not. So, we definitely came to loggerheads on. how we go about deporting individuals. from the United States. Uh, I'm ready to. go at it cause self- deepportations and. if they don't self deepport, then we'll. deport them ourselves. Um, and I think a. lot of folks saw that uh as maybe overly.

aggressive there in the administration. and um I'm not a politician. Uh, those. poll numbers you mentioned earlier, I. don't care about. >> Gregory, this confuses me. President. Trump seems to be on board with that. At. least we we think. Um Christy Gnome was. certainly on board with that. Tom Hman. may not be totally on board with that, but he was an equal. He was a lateral to. you, right? So it's like who who who. wants the illegals to stay? >> Sure. I think that goes back to uh the.

influences that surround Trump. And. again, I'm not I wasn't in the White. House. I was more in the field and not. on Capitol Hill or um engaged in a lot. of those discussions. But I think the. rhinos that came out and attacked. Christy Trump, I think that's probably a. good starting point. I think that uh. >> Christine, >> yes, Christine. Uh and uh I think that. uh you know, there's a lot of folks. there that did not believe in mass. deportations on the scale that we were.

ready to put that into effect. and. whether that was Tom Holman, Rodney. Scott, uh you know, it certainly I. didn't hear from him for a year uh. during that operation. So, um what was. >> neither one of those. >> not once not once. >> Wow. >> So, um. >> Wow. >> You know, I think that uh that it it's. probably, you know, two different. strategies and uh I guess they were. mutually exclusive. I think they should. have been integrated, but probably.

mutually exclusive. Well, Tom Hman came out and said once he. swooped into Minneapolis named Paul and. said, you know, I'm I'm going to handle. it and said, uh, I'm I'm going to get. these I I've gotten the attorney general. to agree that the sheriffs can cooperate. with ICE and before they release anybody. from jail, whether they've been arrested. temporarily or they're actually getting. out of serving a prison sentence, they.

now can he said he got the AG to. acknowledge call ICE work with ICE on. affecting any ICE detainer that may be. on that criminal so that before we just. sent them loose out on the street after. they bailed out or they've served their. terms in prison they'll give ICE a call. if there's a detainer or there's a. deportation order etc for this person. now ICE will swoop in and arrest them to. have an immigration proceeding on them. but we pointed out at the time Gregory. that that's not going to happen in. Minneapolis and St. Paul because they're.

s they're sanctuary cities by law. They. don't cooperate with ICE. And so we. actually paid very close attention to. see whether Tom Hman had pulled a rabbit. out of a hat that we had underestimated. his ability to do. And there wasn't the. the the sheriff um of the Minneapolis. main lockup facility came out and said, "I'm not doing that. We haven't changed. one word of our policy. We are still. sanctuary and our policy is not to.

cooperate with federal immigration. officials on detainers or anything else. So nothing's changed. I I don't know why. he's saying that. >> Of course not. It's a complete. capitulation in Minnesota. And what that. does is that emboldens other sanctuary. cities, other blue states. It also. emboldens those transnational criminal. organizations to guess what? traffic. more people across the border into the. interior because there is no interior. enforcement uh of meaningful impact.

taking place. Uh. Mayor Fry there in good old Mayor Fry. there in Minneapolis, he was calling for. people to fight border patrol in the. streets. Now, if it's going from that. to, hey, all of a sudden we're going to. we're going to start turning illegal. aliens over to ICE, you know, uh, we. scratched our head at that one, uh, it, you know, that that was never going to. happen. And that was why we were in. those communities in the first place,

going after that fraud, the Larrying. Center, the illegal aliens walking the. streets with impunity, just like we did. in every single other city. >> Yes. Okay. Okay. So, I'm I'm just um I'm. trying [clears throat] to pull the. actual state uh statement from. from the local sheriff. Uh let's see. I'm looking for it. Uh.

where is that Deb? Um. it says yeah, I can hear you. Sorry. Okay. Stand by because I want to read. the audience exactly what the Henipin. County Sheriff said. This is not Megan. Kelly's interpretation. This is from the. sheriff directly. Um, you know that. they're not doing what Hman suggested. they were doing. And here it is. Per the. Henipin count Henipin County Sheriff's. website. As of May 4th, in our jail, we. do not honor administrative detainers or. administrative warrants. These documents.

are not criminal warrants signed by a. judge. We will only comply with a. judicially signed warrant, which is. that's that's sanctuary city policies. That is not at all consistent with what. Homeman is saying. Now, he may have. gotten an agreement from other lesser. sheriff's office around in terms of. size. I mean, around the state of. Minnesota, I don't know that. But the. big one in Minneapolis, which we had all. the fights over, has not changed a. thing. It seems to me we have just waved. the white flag there and you seem to be. confirming that. Can you spend another.

minute on Laredo because this story. hasn't gotten a lot of attention. President Trump just keeps declaring the. border's closed. Absolutely no one's. getting through. And unfortunately, I. think because of that, you know, I read. the blog post, the Substack post, because of that unspoken deacto amnesty. that we have actually been offering even. under President Trump, which is we're. only going to get rid of you if you. commit an additional crime. Like, if you. come if you if you make it past Border. Patrol and sneaking in and then you. don't commit an additional felony, we're.

going to leave you alone. There's a lot. of employers who need you in the hotel. industry, some other construction. industry, retail, what have you. We're. going to let you stay. We're going to. allow you to go on the public dole if. you need it, and we're not going to. bother you. And um therefore, the. incentive to sneak across the border is. kicking back in in the wake of our. downshift. It's kicking back in, which. is why what's happening in Laredo. matters. Can you explain that? >> Exactly. What happens in the interior.

directly correlates to what happens on. the border. So interior enforcement, those roving patrols, those mass. deportations in the interior, that. directly affects what happens on the. border. You know, for many years, Megan, we heard, you know, we have to cut the. the spot off. We have to to shut the. border down before we go into the. interior. Us and the Border Patrol, we. always knew that was a fallacy. That was. not that was not true. And you know. what? It's been proved now. It's proven. That's a proven fact. Now, what happens.

in those cities and in that in the. interior as far as interior enforcement. is going to either encourage or. discourage folks from coming across the. border now that meaningful largecale. interior enforcement stopped. You're. seeing places like Laredo start to spark. up a bit. And this is just the beginning. of that because this is worldwide now. Immigration's worldwide. It's not just. folks say from Mexico or Central. America. This is worldwide now. And you.

have drug cartels and transnational. criminal organizations that are keeping. a close eye on what's happening there in. the in the interior because they make a. lot of money smuggling illegal aliens. across that border. You know, 8 $10,000. ahead for just your run-of-the-mill. illegal alien and a lot more than that. if they come from say red China or from. some of those other countries. [clears throat] So that's what's. happening there in Laredo. Again, we're. on our second iteration of Border Patrol. agents. I believe approximately 200.

Border Patrol agents were taken from. other parts of the southwest border, piped into Laredo to quell that part of. the border down. But what we're going to. see if these mass deportations and this. interior enforcement doesn't kick back. on in the interior, we're going to see. other parts of the border. It's like. whack-a-ole. They're gonna they're going. to shift to another part of the border. and another and another another and. pretty soon it's going to be uh just. like what it was a very chaotic. environment with a lot of people coming.

across the border because if they make. it past the border patrol there's. nothing else in the interior that they. have to worry about. And let me tell you. they're not wor they're not worrying. about targeting or worst of the worst. That's the least thing they're worried. about is targeting or worst of the worst. because again they don't look at. themselves as worst of the worst. They. say, "I'm I'm here to to work in the. hotel room or in in the fields or. collect welfare, whatever they're coming. to do." They're not looking at them at. themselves as worst of the worst. And. that just be more immigration or I'm.

sorry, more illegal migration. And then. you know what? We've got that de facto. amnesty. Uh we've always said that's de. facto amnesty. They get past the border. patrol. What's next? Amnesty. That in. itself begets even more illegal. immigration. It's game on for the bad. guys right now. >> Yeah. What do they They don't really. care about becoming a citizen. They. don't actually have to become a citizen. They want to live here. They want to. work here. They want to possibly go on.

the public dole. And they want to send. checks home to Mexico. And we're. allowing it. We're allowing it. The the. shipping the prisoners off to Secot in. uh El Salvador, that was the kind of. stuff that scared people. like Christy. Gnome going down there like doing the. the selfie video in front of all those. prisoners. It may have been sort of in. rough taste, right? Like it was like a. little jarring to see, but that was the. point to to make [music] it.

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deportations. This is per the Department. of Homeland Security as of March 2026. 713,000 deportations, an estimated 2.2. million selfportations. So, the self- deportations dwarf the. actual ejections by, you know, Homeland. Security and and Border Patrol, etc. But. the reason those numbers are going to go. down is because of the softer touch. Because we seem to be returning to de.

facto amnesty. You make it past Beinos's. guys, you're good. No one's coming to. find you. >> How many times have you heard of the CBP. home app used since since I left. Minnesota? I've heard it one time. I. think Mullen mentioned it one time. The. CBP Home app. Something that I think. would be interesting for your viewers is. Secretary Gnome actually listened to us. as far as those ads that she put out. One of the things we said is when you. get on there and you talk about the CBP.

home app, the $2,600 and the free plane. ticket and all that uh to to self-deport. to whatever country you came from, that. is having an effect. And we knew it was. having an effect because we talked quite. closely with our partners there at the. ports of entry, whether that was an. airport or an actual land port of entry. And the lines going south out of the. country whenever she would get on when. whenever she was on TV talking CBP home. app or myself talking CBP home app, it.

was having an effect. That coupled with. that good, tough, hard-nose immigration. enforcement, hey, that's what we wanted. to happen, Megan. We want them to. self-epport. We would rather them. self-epport rather than me put handcuffs. on a 100 million illegal aliens. Let's. just have them self-deport for us. But. for that to happen, it has to be so very. tough on them here in the United States. that they can't work, they can't. recreate, they can't go to the grocery. store, they can't do anything. And we.

proof tested that in Los Angeles. operation at large. That whole city was. locked down for almost a year. Uh. unfortunately, I talked to some uh some. of my Border Patrol colleagues who are. still active. Many of those areas in Los. Angeles now, specifically the fashion. district, downtown Los Angeles, they're. back flourishing again. They were not. flourishing uh while we were there for. that year of of of occupation there in. Los Angeles. >> What about E-Verify?

What about Everify, Gregory? Where like. you can't hire this person unless they. actually produce proof of citizenship. Many people believe that would be the. greatest thing to lead to. self-deportation, but it it won't get. implemented across the board. >> You got to implement it first. That's. that's that's the number one thing. Imple if you implement it, that's going. to be one facet. But remember, immigration enforcement, and that's why. we call it total spectrum immigration. enforcement. Everify would be one facet. of total spectrum immigration. enforcement. You've got a whole bunch of.

other things. shutting down remittances, making it difficult for an illegal alien. to own land, uh uh mass deportations, a. whole slew of things, anything you can. bring to bear to cause those. self-deportions. So, E-Verify is great. We need it. Big fan of of of E-Verify. and workplace or work site enforcement. Definitely, that would definitely have. an effect, but there's a lot of illegal. aliens who are on the dole who don't go. to a workplace. We got to cut that off. also. Total Spectrum Immigration.

Enforcement. It's not that hard, Megan. We've got a great strategy there in the. Border Patrol. We spent years writing. the strategy before we went into those. cities. That's one of those things I. would love to have talked to President. Trump on. I don't I think he got bits. and pieces of that strategy. He's. getting bits and pieces of things that. sound good to him. And I think he acts. on those bits and pieces. again, he's. the best best president we've got for. for immigration and that type of thing. But I don't think he's getting the whole. story. He hasn't gotten the whole story.

over the past year. So, there's a lot. more things we can do. E-Verifying being. just one of those things that we can do. to cause people to self-epport and say, you know what, I think I need to uh I. need to do this the right way. If you. remember, Gnome always said, "Hey, go. back to your country, do it the right. way, and you still have a chance of. immigrating legally to the United. States." You never hear that now. I. never hear that message now. And that's. why our self- deportations are. plummeting. Uh, as we speak, they're.

plummeting. No one's scared. They're. just going to say, "You know what? De. facto amnesty.". >> Well, and the other problem we have is. there's no wall. We did not build the. wall. And when President Trump leaves. office, there is no guarantee that a. Republican is going to replace him. So. we're we could have a situation where. other than Rahm Emanuel, I don't hear. any of the Democrat candidates talking. about holding on to Trump's border. policies, which have been so much more.

effective than any of his predecessors. No one's talking about doing that. So. more than likely we're going to get if a. Democrat wins another or open border. situation which we wouldn't have to. worry that much about if we had a wall. We just spent the administration says. it's 25 to 29 billion on this war. The. true estimates according to people who. are watchd dogs of what we're actually. spending is is more like double that. over $50 billion on this war. The. Pentagon is back asking for well over a. trillion dollars for its budget. I mean,

for a fraction of that, we could. complete the wall at the southern border. and set ourselves up for decades of a. more successful border policy down. there. Gregory, why? Why don't we have a. wall? >> Because the war is not here at home. That war needs to be here at home. That. war is those 100 million illegal aliens. here that are sucking us dry, are. culturally changing our society. That's. the real war that that needs to be. fought here. So once that is taken into.

context as the real threat to America. then perhaps we can get that wall built. Uh when you speak of the wall uh the. wall is not just the wall it's the wall. and all the accutrants associated with. the wall all that detection technology. all those things and people that make it. so very difficult to cross that border. You're right. Uh a completed wall with. all that technology and and uh. infrastructure and workforce that would. make it very difficult even if there was.

a Democratic administration that came. into office. It would make it very. difficult for another mass migration to. occur. Uh I'll tell you what, quite. frankly, it scares the heck out of me to. think what could happen if another. liberal administration came in because. guess what? They're going to take a look. at what Joe Biden did with those tens of. millions of illegal aliens that came. across. And I think we've seen nothing. yet. I think we could see a lot more. than that because they come across and. and what? We're going to wave the white.

flag yet again and not conduct mass. deportations. Well, you know what? You've got an America that has been made. over into something that you and I will. will not even will not even recognize. That's what scares me. Do you think the numbers are that big? 100. You think there are 100 million. illegals in this country? You're saying. on top of the 330 million American. citizens, so we've got 430 million in. the country, 100 million of which are. illegal. >> I do I do believe that. >> Megan, let's look at the numbers from.

1975. 1975 Pew and all the other ones were. talking 12 to 15 million. When I came. into the Border Patrol 30 years ago, 12. to 15 million. 2015, 12 to 15 million. But the only thing that was that was not. making sense is working on the border, seeing this mass incursion of illegal. aliens every single year coming into the. United States. We all knew, well, there's no possible way it's 15 million. And you know, in my research, I looked.

at some other uh some other folks that. had done some research. Bear's and then. that Yale MIT study, those were two of. the first studies to put that at above. 15 million. I believe theirs was. approximately 25 million. And wow, for. them just to say 25 million in 2016, that was that was that was huge. Definitely still too low. And since. then, look at what came in under Joe. Biden. 80% of that border was wide open. 80% a lot of we don't even know what.

came in. >> 80% of your entire southwest border had. no detection, no border patrol agents, nothing. And there is no telling what. came across that we didn't detect and. then what we did detect was in the. millions uh many uh that were still. unvetted but the millions that came in. on top yes I do put that number at 100. million and what we saw in those major. cities those six cities as well as many. other regions in the United States what. we saw there as far as traffic patterns.

um uh children attending school or not. attending school when we were in cities. uh correlates pretty pretty well with. that 100 million. Take a look at. Charlotte, 153,000 commuters. 30 to 40%. of that 153,000 quit commuting when we. were in Charlotte for Operation. Charlotte's Web on that 4-day op. That. was just a 4-day operation. >> Really? >> 4 day operation. >> And when you've got 30 to 40% taken out, well, that correlates pretty darn well.

with a hundred million. Same thing with. the school children. Um they just. revamped that estimate. Not a lot of. people know this. They just revamped the. estimate of absent of absenteeism in. those Charlotte Meckllinburgg schools. 30% plus while we were there for that. 4-day operation. Look what a 4-day. operation did to that two-state area. Completely shut it down. Uh I would say. there were probably a lot of. self-deportations getting ready or. already occurring there in Charlotte. So.

100 million absolutely I stand by it. A. lot of people are saying, "Well, that's. too high. He's crazy. Oh, Chief Bo is. absolutely crazy. Doesn't know what he's. talking about. Well, you know what? Show. me another number. No one else is even. daring to throw another number out. because it's uh because it's definitely. looking like that 100 million is a quite. definable and achievable number as far. as the number of illegal aliens here in. the United States. Your use of the word chief reminded me. to ask you uh the current border patrol.

chief Mike Banks is resigning effective. immediately. This is just breaking per. Fox's billion. Uh he says it's just. time. I feel like I got the ship back on. course from the least secure disastrous. chaotic border to the most secure border. this country's ever seen. Time to pass. the reigns. 37 years. It's time to enjoy. the family and life. I must mention that. in April, the Washington Examiner did a. report on him allegedly taking regular. trip trips abroad to engage with uh in.

sex with prostitutes. like to Colombia and Thailand, which. doesn't sound like a great idea. Um I. don't know whether that's true, but. maybe it had a hand in his decision to. step down. What do you make of the. resignation of Chief Mike Banks? >> Several things there, Megan. I talked to. Chief Banks about 30 minutes before. coming on your show and uh he was quite. gracious in what he was saying there. What I will say is that Chief Banks and. I are both mass deportations people just.

like Christine Gnome, Cory Lewendowski. and others, mass deportations folks and. we're all no longer employed by. Department of Homeland Security. What. does that tell you? Uh so when we talk. about politicians and politics, none of. us were politicians or engaged in. politics, but that's a very dirty. business, a very tough business. We're. all no longer working for Department of. Homeland Security. We we are all mass. deportation hardliners. And I I I I use.

that term with great pride. Am I am I an. immigration hardliner? You bet. Mike. Banks was a fantastic immigration. hardliner. And the same thing that. happened to Christy Gnome is now. happening to Mike Banks. All of a. sudden, they pull a rabbit out of their. hat and these individuals, you know, oh. my gracious. Uh they're the worst worst. thing since sliced bread. That's what I. think about uh what just happened to. Mike Banks. As a matter of fact, I think. that prostitution thing had been uh uh.

that had been investigated many years. ago and he was cleared. So that's what. they're not telling you there. There's a reason that that wound up in a. conservative newspaper, Washington. Examiner, when it did, in other words, weeks before he would resign. >> Absolutely. You You bet. You bet. This. stuff doesn't happen just by chance. This doesn't happen by chance. Uh. there's a lot of snakes, a lot of swamp. creatures still out there. So careful. America. Still some swamp creatures out.

there. And before we go mass. deportations and before we return to im. to hardline immigration, those snakes. need to leave. >> Gregory, thank you. Can you please come. back? I love talking to you. >> That was fantastic, Megan. Thank you for. having me. >> Thank you for your service to our. country, too. We need you. Need a lot. more just like you. Wow. Um, we're back. tomorrow with Glenn Greenwald. Thank you. [music] all for being with us today.