What Meghan Markle Knew About Shock Allegations Against Her Father, & Alex Cooper's Terrible Advice

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cdf.co/mk. today. Real growth, fast funding. Cardiff, borrow better. We have got to. start with the breaking news about. Meghan Markle's father, Thomas Markle, Senior. He is reportedly under investigation for. possessing reams of child sexual abuse. material at his home in the Philippines.

As detailed in the UK newspaper, The. Son, Thomas Markle Jr., That's Megan's. half brother, discovered the illicit. material, he says, while searching for. an old phone in boxes that included. Thomas Senior's belongings. He, the son, had last year moved to the Philippines. down the road from his dad. Now, his dad. is currently in um Florida, Florida in a. rehab facility. He had to have his leg. amputated not long ago. So, his father.

is not in the Philippines, but Thomas. Jr. is. And Thomas Jr. reports the son. went to local detectives to alert them. to the fact that he found quote. hundreds, if not thousands of examples. of child sexual abuse material. The Sun. reports that Thomas Jr. has told friends. he uncovered a 15minute video of naked. girls who appeared to be 10 or 11 years.

old on an abandoned mobile phone. The. son reporting that the girls were. engaged in sex acts and Thomas Jr. also. says he found three still pictures of. naked girls of around the same age. Thomas Jr. was left quote a shaking. wreck. he says by this discovery and. reported his father to the local. authorities. Marl Senior um again has. been back here since May. We are told.

that the FBI has been alerted to all of. this as Mark Senior is currently he is a. US citizen and is currently in the. United States. The latest information we. had was that he had moved back to. Pennsylvania but now is down in Florida. rehabbing from the leg. The FBI, we are told, is set to launch. its own investigation. He will be under. arrest soon if they believe that these. are his images and that he was in. possession of them. Um,

I I mean, I'm I'm not sure how the. international jurisdiction. piece of it will affect. whose case it is. And I've got real. questions about whether the Philippines. will care. I mean, that's kind of where. people go. there in Thailand. uh who are interested in this kind of. thing. Disgusting as it is, they're not. exactly known for their tough law. enforcement on this issue. Meghan Markle. telling the New York Post today, quote, "I am deeply distressed at the news that.

has come to light in the last 24 hours, and my thoughts are with any children. who may have been harmed." End quote. She goes on to say that there were. similar allegations 8 years ago that. she's known about. She's admitting that she's known about. this for 8 years. I I have so many thoughts on this.

She writes, quote, "In 2018, a letter. was sent to London's Metropolitan Police. and Royalty and Specialist Protection. That letter was subsequently shared with. me. It made troubling and disturbing. allegations against my father and I was. given assurances that these were being. investigated. I hope it can now be understood that. despite certain media publications. distortion over the years, any distance.

from my father and my choice to not. allow him to have contact with our. children was for one reason to protect. them. End quote. Okay. So immediately the question must. be asked, did the Metropolitan Police, London's Metropolitan Police, actually. have information that Meghan Markle's. father was a child sex predator as. recently as 8 years ago?

And were they investigating him? It is. being reported right now. that the Metropolitan Police is saying. it did not investigate him. It has never. investigated him. and it is not. investigating him. Now, if that is true, why would there have. been a letter as she claims as you heard. there. suggesting that they were investigating. him? If the Metropolitan Police in fact. did not investigate Thomas Markle and is.

not investigating Thomas Markle, then. why did she say in 2018 a letter was. sent to the Metropolitan Police and. Royalty and Specialist Protection? That. letter was subsequently shared with me. It made troubling and disturbing. allegations against my father. So the. Metropolitan police was made aware that. her father was a child sex predator and. it did not investigate. Now at that time he was living in.

Mexico. So did they alert the Mexican. authorities and was a US citizen? So did. they alert the FBI in 2018? What, if anything, was done by the. Metropolitan Police and royalty and. specialist protection. about. a Prince of England's. father-in-law being a child sex. predator, alleged. What did they do?

That remains to be seen. They put out a. statement earlier today saying they're. aware of her allegation in this. statement and they are investigating to. see who, if anyone, had contact with her. and and who, if anyone, received, if at. all, such a letter. Again, what we're. hearing now through the British press in. its reports is that they've gotten the. Metropolitan Police on record saying.

they did not investigate him and they. are not investigating him. Now, as for. whether they received a letter and. possibly shared it with Marl, though she. doesn't say it was Metropolitan Police. that shared it with her, she says a. letter was sent to them and it was. subsequently shared with her. So, she. knew that they had received it in 2018. and someone, we are presuming the. Metropolitan Police, though she doesn't. say it, shared it with her. So, what did. they do? Two questions. What did they.

do? And what did she do? I I'm reeling at this news. She's known she says for eight years. that her father may be a child sexual. abuser. That's what you are when you look at we. used to call it kitty porn. You look at. images of children in sex acts. You're you're a child abuser. You're a.

child sexual abuser. a child sexual. abuse pervert. and it I mean there are more questions. to be asked because if that's your thing. that's how you get off looking at. pictures like that I mean what. percentage of of those have not actually. abused a child in in person I mean like. physically with sexual abuse. I want to tell you right now Thomas. Markle senior it's junior who is outing.

these allegations. is now vehemently denying all of this. He is saying these are all lies that he. hasn't been in possession of these. laptops or phones in a long, long time. They were left in the Philippines. Anyone could have had access to them. And his daughter Samantha, who's Megan's. half older sister, is coming out and. hurling accusations at her brother. Thomas Jr. saying there was a falling. out between he and Thomas the Elder and.

that he's bitter because the father has. cut him off financially and suggesting. that that may be a motive here to hurt. him. The father has spoken out I mean. passionately for lack of a better word. to the Daily Mail saying and I'll get to. his statement in more detail but just. want to tell you upfront saying. what where do I go to get my my. reputation back? You know, I I. understand very well once allegations. like these are made, they're out there. There's no re retrieving them. There's. no recuperating from them. And he sounds.

extremely distressed. I believe he's. extremely distressed. Is he distressed. because he's been outed as a child. sexual abuser or is he distressed. because he's been falsely labeled as the. worst possible thing one can be labeled? Um, I'm going to get again into all the. details of this. I'm giving you the. broad-based story to kick things off. The other question though is what did. Megan Markle do? Let me tell you what I think happened. here. I I believe her that she was told.

this in 2018. I don't know by whom since. she didn't name them. And I cannot believe that she did not. spend the last 8 years trying to get to. the bottom of whether or not this was. true. Genuinely, I in all of my criticisms. criticisms of Meghan Markle, in all the. time that I. have looked at this person and found her. to be an egotistical,

narcissistic, small-minded, selfish, nasty bully. I never would have dreamed. she wouldn't do what was necessary to be. done to protect children potentially. being sexually exploited by her own. father. And that's absolutely what he was doing. Looking at child sexual abuse material. is not a victimless crime. Obviously,

you are creating a market for that. material with every image that you. download, pay for, obtain, and quote. enjoy. And if she had reason to believe her. father was such a man, what did she do. about it? Now, maybe she was told say. nothing as the investigation pans out, but it's been 8 years. So, what did she. do to follow up on that report with. whomever told her? The Metropolitan.

Police, her husband's got some. connections, what did they do to satisfy. themselves that this either wasn't true. after all, or. if if it was true. to to make sure he was getting arrested, it was her brother who came forward, not. her. Again, the father's denying it. And. maybe the brother made it up, but when. did he make it up? Because the falling.

out with the brother just happened, according to Samantha Markle, and Meghan. Markle's telling us she had a heads up. about this in 2018. So, let's assume for purposes of. argument, he's guilty. If this guy's into child sexual abuse. material and she knew about it in 2018, wouldn't you be all over the. Metropolitan Police from that day to. this asking what did you find? Who is. investigating? Who is making sure?

Because it's not her responsibility as. his daughter to investigate this. How. could she possibly I don't I'm not. putting that on her. I am asking what. did she do to make sure an investigation. was indeed underway and how it had. concluded it. This isn't eight days, eight weeks, eight months ago. It's. eight years. What was she told? Because if she was told the. investigation came to nothing, then her. her excuse of this is why I never spent.

any time with him looks a little flimsy. If she was satisfied he wasn't this. thing because somebody told her didn't. pan out, then why is she now telling us. this is the reason she hasn't seen him. in 8 years? And if she wasn't told that it all came. to nothing, what did she do to make sure. he wasn't hurting kids in Mexico or the. Philippines or then Florida? Truly, I'm. I am genuinely searching.

for an explanation to that question. I'm. really thrown. I like. you ask yourself, okay, I it's your. father. You do you do you report your. father when something like this is. brought to you? I think you do. I think. the answer to that is clearly yes. You know, I I it's like I can't even I.

can't even imagine. I lost my father. when I was very young. Not that my father would ever do such a. thing, but I I just I can't I can't. imagine saying I will. And you're. estranged from him. He's he's an adult. and so are you. He's living in a different country or. two in a different state in the union. And you just shrug your shoulders and. say, I I don't know whether that's all she.

I'm asking the question what did she do? She did not put anything in her. statement. And here is what I think. happened. She was. this was a colossally stupid statement. to make. Colossally stupid. She rushed to get a statement out to. convince us all. We said mean things. about her estrangement from her dad. unfairly. She had a really good reason.

for not wanting to be around him with. her children. And she was so determined. to prove to the press, in particular the. British press, which has been raising. this point about her estrangement from. her dad. She was so determined to show. them all how unfair they'd been that she. did not realize she was making herself. look monstrous on another front, a far. more important front. I I don't Maybe that's why I'm coming at.

it from this angle because we've never. made a big deal out of her arangement. from her father. I never thought it was. a particularly nice thing. Didn't seem. to support her alleged overall. commitment to family that they abandoned. her father and Harry's for all those. years. That's a minor point that, you. know, we've made, but. I mean the main issues of Meghan Markle. are just, you know, I mean, they're. documented in their Legion and we've. talked about them at Nauseium here. Let. refer to my adjectives about her at the. top of the show. But that has been a big.

storyline pushed by a lot of the UK. press about how she abandoned her father. and he he had two heart attacks and I. think he had a stroke and then he lost. his leg and she's never gone to visit. him and so on. And so people have been. saying, "Oh my god, what kind of a. heartless person?" And clearly that got. to her. And so she rushed to issue this. statement saying, "Aha, unbeknownst to. all of you trolls, I had a good reason.". Without realizing, she was telling us all, she appears to. have sat by for the past 8 years doing.

nothing. While she believed her father was. potentially participating in the abuse, the sexual abuse of young children by. looking at pictures, videos, and God. knows what else. This is stunning. I cannot imagine what King Charles and. the royal family are feeling right now. Um,

what did Harry marry into? is one of the questions being asked. And Harry too. is under scrutiny now. What did he know? Truly, what did he know? This guy who's. all about mental health and both of them. have just they have gone on and on. about this social media, the protection. of children. What did he do to to.

protect children? Both of them. have also been telling us since 2018. that the reason for their estrangement. from Thomas Markle is his bad behavior. around their wedding. that you remember. he was caught right before the wedding. getting his suit, tailored, getting ready, and it was pretty clear.

that he had cooperated with the. paparazzi taking those photos and then. he denied it to Megan. She she later. came out with this and and said this. publicly and um. they were they felt betrayed and then. they believed that he had been selling. stories to the tabloids and she just. said I'm done. You know I I don't want. anything to do with him because he's not. doing the right thing here. And a lot of. people had issues with that saying you. know he's like not the most.

sophisticated guy. he needed the money. that the paparazzi comes along and. offers you thousands of bucks for a. photo of Megan or for a photo of you. just getting ready. What's the harm? And. felt she had abandoned him pretty. quickly. Um, in the leadup to their. wedding, which was in, I believe May of. 2018, if memory serves, it was April or. May of 2018. Um. but since then they've been telling us. that they separated from him because of.

that. and they didn't say. And there are also. some other troubling issues that aren't. appropriate for public discussion. but one day will be like wink wink. We're we're working with authorities. behind the scenes. Nothing. Okay. Here, in fact, is Harry in a 2022 Netflix. documentary blaming himself for the. estrangement. Watch himself. >> She had a father before this and now she.

doesn't have a father. And I I. shouldered that because if Meg wasn't. with me, then her dad would still be her dad. if it wasn't for me, her dad would still. be her dad. Okay, now that was just a couple years. ago that by Megan Markle's written. statement, they knew. Can we just listen.

to it one more time? Listen to that one. more time. He, according to Meghan. Markle, he and she knew, she doesn't say. Harry knew, but obviously she would have. told her husband at this point that her. father was potentially a child sexual. abuse connoisseur. and and they had been actively keeping. their children away from him for that. reason. Listen to to it again. >> She had a father before this and now she. doesn't have a father. And I I. shouldered that because if Meg wasn't.

with me, then her dad would still be her dad. This is 2022. That's 4 years after she. says they knew. Why is he saying that? I mean, is there a possibility she's. lying about being told this in 2018? I I. I mean what that's even crazier. I I I. believe her. I believe her that she was.

told in 2018 there was some sort of an. investigation underway. I think. if that's not true, then it then it's. even more bizarre. She took a risk of. being criticized for not protecting. children for eight years in order to. make up a story about why she kept her. kids away from him. That doesn't make. sense to me. But I don't understand why. they've been telling totally false. stories ever since as opposed to just. being ambiguous. Here's what Megan told. Oprah the year before that in 2021, 3.

years after she allegedly got this. letter during their infamous sitdown. >> Did it feel like betrayal when you found. out your father was working with the. tabloids? If we're going to use the word. betrayal, it's because when I asked him, when we were told by the comm's team, this is a story that was going to be. coming out, which by the way, the. tabloids had apparently known for a. month or so and decided to hold until. the Sunday before our wedding because. they wanted to create drama. We called.

my dad and I asked him. >> and he said, >> "No, absolutely not." M. >> I said, you know, the the institution. has never intervened for anything for. us, but they can try to go in and kill. this story, but if they do this once, we're not going to be able to use that. same leverage to protect our own kids. one day. >> He said, "No, absolutely not." He hadn't. been talking to them. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, he basically lied to you. >> Well, and so when I said, "We won't be. able to protect our own kids one day.". >> Mhm. >> And and I said, "So, I just need you to.

tell me, and if you tell me the truth, we can help.". and he wasn't able to do that. And that. for me has has really resonated, especially now as a mother. >> I don't get it. I mean, first of all, that is all of her. narcissistic tendencies, right? Perfectly on display. The institution. has never protected us. They've never. done a thing to protect us. More. grievance. Yeah. They've been so. horrible to you, letting you live in. their castle on their private grounds,

allowing you to wear the crown jewels at. your wedding. Like, just stop. Okay. So, we we've we've been. unprotected. We've been unprotected. The. institution's never done anything for. us. But. what she's saying there is we have one. chit that we can use with the royal. family to run interference with the. press. Just one a lifetime one chit. and. that she went to her dad, this. unsufficed lighting director from. California, who's now an elderly man,

and said, "I'll use it for you. I will. use it to kill the stories about you. cooperating with the paparazzi if you. want me to, but you better know that. that's the end of my chit. Your future. grandchildren will not be protected. because the royal family is going to. come back to me and say, "You used it on. your dad, Thomas Markle. That was the. only time we could ever go to the. tabloids and we did it for your dad.". which is this is all made up. What is she talking about, right? Like. the royal family would be less inclined. if they had stayed in the UK and been.

working royals to protect Princess Lily. and Prince Archie, actual potential heirs to the throne. because they gave Thomas Markle that. cover that one time about working with. the paparazzi. These are up lies. Uh so all of that was untrue. Every word. of it appears to have been untrue to. Oprah other than the business, I guess, of her father lying to her about. cooperating with the paparazzi. But.

there's it's not true that the. institution never protected them. It's. not true that there's one chit that you. can ever use to get interference with. the press over in the UK and that they. never would have protected Archie or. Liet because they had done something for. Thomas Markle back in 2018. And it's also not true to the extent. she's offering this up as the. explanation for why her father is no. longer part of her life. Or it is true.

and her current story is false. You. can't have it both ways. One of these is. a lie. One of these is a lie. The two of them have been parading all. over the world since 2018, warning about the dangers of social. media, the online community on multiple. occasions.

since 2018. not never disclosed. is in particular the dangers of child. sexual abuse material and a family. connection at least alleged. to it. Watch how many more millions of. children will be harmed by products that. while innovative are still designed. without sufficient safeguards. And as. technology advances at extraordinary. speed, we cannot simply stand by waiting.

for the damage to catch up with us. Write to your elected officials. Ask. what they are doing to protect children. Generations from now, children will look back at this era with. absolute disbelief. that adults once allowed digital spaces. to exist without basic protections for. young people. This is a pivotal moment. in our collective mission to protect. children and support families in the. digital age.

>> Our children, Archie and Lily, are just. six and four years old. Can you believe. it? Luckily, still too young for social. media, but we know that day is coming. And like so many parents, we think. constantly about how to embrace. technologies benefits while safeguarding. against its dangers. >> Our kids are young. They're three and. five and they're amazing. But all you want to do as parents is. protect them. And so as we can see. what's happening in the online space, we.

know that there's a lot of work to be. done there. >> Two years ago, I stood on this stage and. announced the creation of the parents. network, a network that my wife and I. launched at Archwell after meeting the. parents of children who took their lives. or suffered serious harm after being. engulfed by social media. I feel. fortunate that our children are at an. age again quite young. So this isn't in. our immediate future.

>> They I I'm sorry, but if they've known. this entire time that they had a child. sexual abuser in the family and did. nothing about it, that is all. unforgivable. It is the fakest, most two-faced thing. they've done. What What did you do to make sure the. man you believed was a child sexual. abuse connoisseur wasn't hurting.

children in Mexico, in the Philippines, in Pennsylvania, in California, and in. Florida. Truly, what did you do? This. statement is not going to cut it because. let me tell you what she writes. I gave you the highlight at the top. I'm. deeply distressed at the news. My thoughts are with any children who. may have been harmed. She goes on, in. 2018, a letter was sent to the. Metropolitan Police and Royalty and. Specialist Protection. Period. That. letter was subsequently shared with me.

It made troubling and disturbing. allegations against my father and I was. given assurances that they were that. these were being investigated. I was. given assurances that these were being. investigated. Great. What did you do to. find out how that investigation. resolved? She goes on, I hope it can now. be understood, this is the the. ridiculous whole point of her statement, that despite certain media publications. distortion over the years, any distance. from my father and my choice to not. allow him to have contact with our. children was for one reason, to protect. them. Then she writes this. I trusted.

that the authorities were doing the same. for other families. how you trusted how what did you do to. make sure. truly that that's what I want to know. what did you do to make sure then she. writes although the breath of what has. now been uncovered is more sickening. than one could ever imagine my sincerest. hope is that justice will be fully. served and that the priority remains the. safety and protection of innocent.

children I mean I I am sure that Megan. Markle does not support child sexual. abuse material being looked at by anyone. or the harming of children. But let's face it, if she did nothing. over the past 8 years, she has been. complicit. And this is going to be very very tough. for them to recover from. I'm I'm. genuinely horrified. I do want to tell you what the dad is.

saying in fairness to him. It does. We know this family is very. dysfunctional. I believe that Thomas Jr. is also dysfunctional. I believe he's. got an axe to grind with the dad. potentially, as Samantha, the sister, says. Um, it's extraordinary. what he is alleging. And if he has gone. to all this trouble to actually get his. father in legal trouble at age 82,

um. I it's just I I have a difficult time. believing it. Um but this is what Thomas. Markle says. This is It's just. a bunch of lies. This is to the Daily. Mail exclusively. It's sick. I have no. idea why Tom is trying to destroy me. with these lies. Asked about a quote. from a source close to Megan who. reportedly told the son. Now maybe. people will finally understand why she. has nothing to do with her father since. 19 since 2019. Thomas Senior replied, "I. don't believe that." Saying he and Megan.

had a great relationship until she met. Prince Harry and he stupidly posed for. those paparazzi pictures on the eve of. their wedding. When asked directly by. the Daily Mail, "Did you download porn. onto your computers?" Thomas Senior. replied, "Never, never, never. I have. never done that." He said he would. welcome a computer expert to autopsy his. word, the computers. later clarifying he. meant that they could forensically. examine the machines to determine. whether he was in possession of the. computers when the alleged vile content. was downloaded. Quote, "These terrible. lies are being made against me with no.

proof." He said, "How can you accuse a. man of something like this with no. proof?" Uh he writes about his son or. says, "I have not spoken to Tom in. months. I don't know where this has come. from. I can only think he's doing this. to make money. I go between feeling very. sad to feeling very angry. He has had a. turbulent relationship with his son, writes the Mail, who left his home in. Oregon in 2022 to move to Mexico, where. his father retired after his. award-winning career as a lighting. director in Hollywood. Thomas Senior. said, "Tom came to live with me after I.

had a stroke. I supported him. financially. I've supported him. financially for most of his life. That. money stopped in July this year when a. family member found he had been taking. money from my account." Thomas Senior. said, "I welcome an investigation. because I did not do this. I'm scared. because I don't feel safe anymore. People believe accusations even if they. are not true. This is the worst thing. you can accuse someone of." I would like. to ask Tom why. I have not spoken to my. son in several months, but our last. conversation was friendly. He didn't ask.

for money, but if he had, I probably. would have given it to him like I always. have in the past. And then as I reported, the sister. Samantha came out and said that the. brother and the father are estranged and. that um. standby. Her brother's allegations are disgusting. and have no merit whatsoever. She is her father's main caregiver. She.

called her brother a liar. She said he's. making up the allegations to make money. She said, quote, "There is no merit in. these disgusting allegations whatsoever. My brother's disgusting for making them. up. He wants to destroy our dad. Shame. on him. My brother first came out with. these lies a few weeks ago when the cash. from my dad was cut off. He's used dad. as a cash cow for years. And once the. money stopped, he made up the most. outrageous lies he could try and to make. money from the media." Samantha said the. son's story is factually incorrect. The.

accusations claimed the boxes were found. at Tom's house in the Philippines. She. says that is not factually true. The. computers were packed up in Mexico and. put on a cargo ship. They were then in. storage in the basement of a building in. the Philippines. Dad had no access to. them. The boxes were then in Tom Jr.'s. house. Dad had no access to those. computers for 2 years. Who knows who. could have had access to them? I don't. believe any of it. Anyone could have set. dad up. She said there is no proof my. dad downloaded any images. Those.

computers were out of his possession for. 2 years. That leaves a lot of room for. tampering. These are unsubstantiated. allegations. Anyone could have been in. contact with the computers over a couple. of years. Dad was in a rehab facility. and did not have access to them. My. brother has had this vendetta against my. dad for years. And when the money runs. out, he makes up stories for cash. He. made up a story a few years ago about my. dad snorting cocaine with hookers in. Thailand. My brother makes up lies about. dad and sells stories because it's the.

only way for him to make money fast. When you talk to dad, he shrugs and. says, "It is what it is." Dad is very. disappointed in Tom. Samantha said, quote, "Without any evidence that those. images were not put there by someone. else because those computers were out of. my dad's possession for a couple of. years, I don't believe that they are. his. I have no reason to believe those. are his because anyone could have been. handling those computers.". the. actual allegations.

um in the original report, the son. about what the son Thomas Jr. allegedly. found are extremely dark. I'm just going. to give you some of them. He. allegedly found a sickening horde and. they do report at the father's home in. the Philippines. Again, Samantha saying. they were in a storage facility. He told. police he discovered hundreds, if not. thousands of child sexual abuse m. material images in four large boxes at. his father's home. Cops are now.

preparing to seize the evidence. He reported the father to detectives in. the Philippines after making the find. Markle Senior had been forced to leave. the house in May and return to the US. after a stroke and a blood clot which. led to the amputation of his left leg. But he is alleged to have abandoned the. enormous stash of vile content left in. storage boxes. Thomas Jr. told cops he. unearthed the horrific pictures and. videos mixed up with innocent family. momentos. He also contacted FBI.

investigators in the US who are set to. launch their own probe. When I found the. material, I was horrified. I had no. option but to report my dad. I have. supported, cared for him, and helped him. for years, but that stops now. I won't. speak to my father ever again unless I'm. called to give evidence against them. him. He tells the son. He triggered the. investigation after searching for a. phone for his Filipino girlfriend's. father in boxes belonging to Thomas. Senior. He told his friends he was. shocked and disgusted when a 15-minute.

video of naked little girls flashed up. on the abandoned mobile. Victims. appearing to be aged no older than 10 or. 11 appeared in sex acts captured on. video along with three still pictures of. naked and scantily clad girls of about. the same age. He alleges one of the six. images on the phone. was a photo taken of the screen of a. Lenovo ThinkPad laptop that was in a. room he recognized as in his father's. former home in Rosarto, Mexico. In other.

words, he's saying he saw a screen grab. of child sexual abuse material on his. dad's laptop and what he he is. identifying as his father's laptop. in his father's home in Mexico. In other. words, he recognized the room that the. laptop was in and that it belonged to. his dad, which if true would undermine. any theory that somebody planted. somebody other than Junior, planted. these photos on Marl's laptop. The.

socked shun son, the retired TV lighting. director's caretaker. Now, here it says. he's the caretaker after he suffered the. stroke in 2022, told pals he was a. shaking left a shaking wreck by the. discovery. By the way, it was ITV News. who reported the police are not. investigating Markle and have never. investigated him. Um, just reading my. note at the bottom of this page. He says. he felt betrayed, angry, and disgusted. He realized he had to report them. He. did so to the FBI hotline, the US-based.

National Center for Exploited and. Missing Children, and the state police. in Pennsylvania, where his father was. living prior to the rehab down in. Florida. He said there were many. worrying items, old books that turned. out to be full of naked little girls. the technician. He brought a technician. with him and a local IT expert to help. him access three computer hard drives. because he said he received no calls or. follow-up inquiries after he did all. that reporting to the FBI, Center for. Missing and Exploited Children, State.

Police in Pennsylvania. So, he says then. he got a local IT expert to help him. access the the three computer hard. drives. There was an unbelievable amount. of stuff. old family home movies on VHS. cassettes, books, nine mobile phones, phones along with the Emmy awards he won. for his TV work. He's setting the. foundation for you to believe that. Marl's personal belongings and family. heirlooms were intermixed with the child. sexual abuse material. Again, in. fairness to Thomas Senior, we don't know. how they got there. Is this an agrieved.

son who planted this stuff? Who who just. said he found this to make his dad look. bad? Is it that dysfunctional a family? I have no idea. I mean, we'll see when. Thomas Jr. responds to Samantha's. allegations that this must have been. planted. She doesn't say by him. She. says they just must have been planted. and the dad did not have possession. He. says the desktop was full. He says the technician helped me turn on. the first hard drive and I gasped when.

all of the icons suddenly appeared. His. desktop was full of row upon row of. thumbnail pictures linking to the most. sickening child abuse imaginable. The. worst of the worst. very young children in horrifying acts. is enough. More images of a man engaged. in a sex act with a very young Asian. girl appear to have stored in the pages. of an antique book. Um, another. developed film negative showed two more.

naked school girls. Other books found. included lifelong photography enthusiast. Thomas Senior's most treasured family. keepsakes and arty picture books, but. innocuous covers featuring tasteful nude. pictures of adult women led to page. after page of naked little girls and. sexual poses on the pages inside. Further analysis found there were also. vile images on the same hard drive as. some of Markl senior's work files, including his prof professional CV. note.

for the record that does not tell us who. planted them there, who who downloaded. them, who looked at them, if anyone. Um, and so on other personal files and. pictures on the same hard drive as the. child sexual abuse material. Um, then. the Sun reports that the FBI, sorry, this is not, this is, this is the. original Sun report, that the FBI. confirmed receipt of the contents of. Thomas Jr.'s affidavit. and look certain to conduct their own.

probe. Um, that's it. Those are the latest. facts. Um, GB News says it has confirmed that the. Met Police and Royal Protection officers. did inform Megan of the disturbing. allegations concerning her father in the. summer of 2018, a few months after her. wedding. So that tracks I mean as I said. I believed her that she was told that in.

2018. I don't I I couldn't care less at this. point about the reports that she was. nasty for not supporting her father. What I care about is what did she do? What did she do over the past eight. years? And what did Harry do. to make sure he was innocent. or if he wasn't, how the investigation. was resolved? That's that's really the.

relevant question right now. One thing. about the royal family, uh there was a. question put via People magazine. They. asked whether King Charles was aware of. that 2018 letter. Buckingham Palace. declined to comment saying this is a. matter for the Sussex's. So obviously. they want nothing to do with this. scandal. Can you imagine such a seedy. thing so connected to the royal family? This this royal family. I mean obviously. all royal families have had a lot of.

scandals in their past but my god this. one's dark after on the heels of the. Prince Andrew stuff with Epstein. I mean this is just disastrous. I want to bring in our guest who's been. so patient, Glenn Greenwald. He's the. first ever guest on the MK show. Pulit. surprise winning journalist and host of. system update on Substack. Glenn, how. dark is this? Yeah, dark is the only right word, the. word that I've been I was thinking about. as I was listening to you kind of lay it. out. There's so many aspects here,

Megan. So, as you were going, I was sort. of picking and choosing which I thought. that were most important to highlight. I. think I'll begin with the relationship. that this case has to so many of the. other ones over the past couple of. decades where we have discovered that. what are supposed to be our most elite. pristine. you know respected institutions so often. ended up being associated with just the. darkest most degenerate form of. behavior. I think that ultimately for me.

ended up being the primary lesson of the. Epstein story regardless of individual. bickering over the facts. the fact that, you know, you had somebody who was. indisputably. uh arrested and convicted for soliciting. a a minor for prostitution, ended up. being so integrated into the world's. global elite, nobody seemed to mind. So. many of the people were happy to go to. the island. Kind of gave a glimpse of of. what this culture was like. And we've. seen so many stories like this here. I. think there's this other extremely.

interesting family aspect which we don't. exactly know what happened and when I. first heard the story and when I first. heard you describing it I think like a. lot of people probably intuitively. instinctively my reaction is no family. members would make up something so. hideous and horrific about another. member of their family because I think. most of us have you know quite. functional families. We love our. families very much. they love us and we. fight. But the idea that they would just. invent something so despicable like this.

seems so unthinkable and yet it actually. happens all the time. You know, a very. close friend of mine is a lawyer who. does trust and estates litigation where, you know, rich some rich woman dies and. then her kids fight over the silverware. and the money and they're all very rich, but they hurl the most hideous. fabricated accusations toward each other. about money. So, so this that can happen. in in in a family. But I think, you. know, the fact that Megan Markle has. been revealed to be just such a I don't.

want to even use too strong words for. her, like despicable, just kind of like. such a sociopath, you know, like a. vapid, ethics-free climber, does make it seem kind of plausible that. she would know about this and for her. own interest and and and no one else's. bury it, even if it meant that her. father would continue to endanger other. people. And then I guess the last. question is what about the royal family? You know, we're talking here about one. of the richest, most powerful, most.

influential, prestigious institutions. As you've said, they already have a lot. of scandal. Don't you think that if. somebody like Mary Megan Markle is. marrying into this family, someone who's. kind of an outsider, unlikely to be. chosen to to be so central when she. marries uh Prince Harry, that they would. do their own very extensive. investigation into her family as well. And it seems like it would also be a. question not just what Megan Markle. knew, but also what would the what did. did the royal family and its. institutions know about this?

>> It's a great point. It's a very good. point because what are the odds that. this Metropolitan Police and Office of. Royal Services didn't tell the actual. royals what their son had married into. Again, this appears to have come out in. the summer of 2018. They got married in. April or May. So that they were already. married at this point. And by the way, how would they know? Like what was that. letter and that investigation based on?

Who who knew what what was the lead? Who. who else has known about this? And how? Because the son just found these boxes. like within the past 10 days from the. sound of it or at least the past month. So, who knew what back in 2018? And what. the hell has been done about it for. eight years, Glenn? I mean, I realize if. you're the Metropolitan Police and he's. not in your jurisdiction, you're like, "This isn't exactly my problem." But you.

certainly have an obligation to children. to make some phone calls to your. counterparts in Mexico, where he was. living at the time, and potentially in. America, where he'd been living for most. of his life. and uh that's where his. citizenship is. >> Well, also, I mean, it may not be their. jurisdiction, and of course, it's not, but this isn't just some like random. woman coming around with some family. problems. Again, this is a woman who. she's marrying, not some like ancillary.

fourth cousin, you know, of of of. Prince Charles, now King Charles. She's. marrying. the king's son. And I just don't believe. that if somebody is going to be brought. into the family that way in any. capacity, let alone that central that. they don't do an extreme background. check. I will say, you know, when you. have a story like this, and I guess the. discovery, as we understand it, was made. in this case shortly before her wedding. When you talk about people who, you. know,

>> shortly after, I I think, >> right, >> the wedding was spring of 18 when Megan. came the letter, >> right? But wasn't the letter. >> well she got married to him in spring of. 18 and she says the letter was brought. to her attention in the summer of 2018. >> Right. Right. So you know Megan Markle. you know was basically you know like a. seamless actress if that and now she's. marrying into one of the most you know. wealthiest endlessly resourced. institutions on the planet. And I do.

think you start to get hangers on who. start plotting like hey maybe if I. invent a story there's a way to extract. money. So, I'm not saying this all. should be assumed to be true that the. father did everything he's been accused. of, but given the gravity of the. allegations and the fact that it's not. just coming from some random letter. writer, it's coming from someone very. close to his his his son and and people. in that family. How do they not. immediately stop everything that they're. doing and make it their number one. priority to determine whether or not.

this person actually is guilty of these. crimes? Not only to protect themselves. and and and their institution and and. everyone in it, but also if it's true, it means there's a a very dangerous, sinister child predator walking around. on the streets when very powerful people. and institutions know that there's at. least credible claims that he's guilty. It's it's so mystifying. And any answer. she tries to give, as you aptly pointed. out, will end up being contradictory to. to the other answer.

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a free 7-day trial with no credit card. and $10 off your first month if you. join. Glenn, I wanted to make one other. point on Megan Markle, which I forgot to. make in the first hour. The other question I have is what what. kind of a person upon news like this. about one's father. rushes out to say I knew all about it. I. was told in 2018 they they they investig.

a fact that is not helpful to his. defense. Obviously, you know, if like. the the the sister Samantha's going with. our brother, you know, is a liar and. these materials must have been planted. because dad didn't have possession of. these laptops and phones, etc. And. you've got Meghan Markle out there at a. time when, let's keep in mind, Thomas. Senior is denying all guilt,

saying, "I'm so distressed by this. I. knew I knew in 2018 there was already an. investigation going on into him back. then. So it's like the it's. honestly it's like diabolical. So she. she apparently did know for all those. years. It looks like she did nothing to. make sure if he was this thing he wound. up in the you know in the in the in. jail. And now that it's come out she. decides to take off her stiletto and.

stick it into his orbital socket. dig it. in nice and deep and be like predator. I've known all along. You know, it's. like there's really no there's nothing. about what she's done today that helps. her PR-wise. Really nothing. Because even as an. excuse for why she's kept away from him. all these years, it contradicts all of. her other public statements and makes. her look like more of a liar. Like. there's just no This is the most. boneheaded PR strategy ever. >> Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think clearly.

what she in that brain of hers, however. you want to describe it, has reasoned. that this would be a a good thing to do, is extremely entirely self-interested, which is I suppose she's gotten a lot of. criticism in the past for for kind of. abandoning her father when she became, you know, Megan Markle and and and into. the royal family and kind of abandoned. uh her her father in these dire. circumstances, which most people find, you know, kind of ethically questionable. at best. And I think she thought this.

was her big chance to finally tell. everybody, look, all these years I've. been struggling with this secret. You've. been attacking me because I've been I've. allowed my father to have his legs. amputated. I didn't do anything to help. him. I I've abandoned my father because. I'm such a terrible person. The reality. is the reason I did it was because he's. he's a child predator. But then, you know, that's it's like. such a short-term self-centered way of. thinking like, "Oh, people are going to. really not just understand but love me.". And somehow she has nobody near her or.

she herself can't figure out that there. are real implications to telling the. world that she not just heard it, but. that she believes her father is a child. predator for for the last 18 the last. decade and never bothered to tell. anybody. >> Yeah. the last de a little a little. under a decade and never bothered to. tell anybody. Clearly like she she's so. self-centered that she just like I I. finally get to have a defense for why. people have been criticizing me for. abandoning my father without thinking.

about the way more serious moral. implications of of the defense that she. decided to embrace. >> Yes. Yes. Exactly right. It's like why. didn't anybody stop her and say the only. thing that you should issue and you. don't need to issue anything but if you. feel the need to issue something the. statement should read obviously I'm. deeply distressed by the news today. and I'll have nothing further to say. about it. You know like that's it. I I. don't that's it. Express your distress.

you're upset. And you know, maybe a. generic statement against child sexual. abuse material, but like don't don't. give up facts. Don't don't give up facts. that hurt your dad who's asserting his. innocence and don't give up facts that. show you were complicit by your own. word. >> I mean, it's the it's the biggest. selfharm. Like, if you were, you know, some sort of PR adviser, the the reality. is this would be a potentially valuable. story for her if she had just stayed. quiet. If she had just stayed quiet,

people kind of retroactively would have. said, "Oh, wow. Her father really is, you know, like this sick, abusive. person." So now we finally understand, we're sorry for criticizing her all. these years, why she stood away from why. she stayed away from her father. He's. just a terrible person, probably. abusive, whatever. But by putting. herself into the middle of it and. offering this excuse, she like now. implicates herself almost as much as her. father. Because as you said, she almost. like becomes his collaborator or at. least complicit in putting who knows how. many people in danger to protect her own.

self-image. It's so stupid. On top of. everything else, >> she we were talking about this during. the break during uh with with my. producers. Debbie was saying. that 2018 letter was likely never going. to come out. You the Metropolitan Police. were not going to run to the tabloids. with that. And she knew that and she was distressed. by that. She wanted us to know about it.

because she felt it gave her cover for. avoiding him and that she really wanted. to rehabilitate that piece of the 20,000. things that people criticize her over. that one piece. She really wanted to be. re rehabilitated on it without realizing. the fact that that 2018 letter was not. going to come out is a good thing for. you. You idiot. That's a good thing for. you. You can just say, "This is very. distressing. Clearly, I knew my dad had. issues, but I didn't know this issue.".

And no one would ever have asked the. question again of why she'd steered. clear of him. You know, like he probably. gave gave off creepy vibes. Her. instincts to avoid him after that. paparazzi stunt were dead on. That's. what people would have been saying. No. one would have been would have leapt to. she knew. And and then if people had. said she knew, she had to know. she. would have been in a position to say, "How dare you? Absolutely not. I didn't. know. If I had known, I would have. jumped up and down and made sure. something was done about it." Instead, she's made herself part of the child's.

sexual abuse story, which is just a. nightmare. But but is do you think this. that part of the reason why she did that. despite it being so ill advised and so. obviously uh counterproductive is. because she has such an insatiable need. for attention that had she remained. silent, she would have kind of been. ancillary to the story or at least not. gotten a lot of attention. by now coming. out, you know, and just sort of like. recounting her own victimhood, she gets. to center herself in the middle of the. story without having realized that what.

she's actually done is tied herself to. her father by hiding whatever it is that. he did for the last eight years purely. for her own for her own image. It's it's. really she really screwed herself in so. many ways by just I think it's that. narcissism among and that attention need. that among any among everything else. probably was the main factor. Yes, Glenn, you and I both know, I guess it. happens with men, too, but there there. is a certain woman out there that loves.

being the victim, loves any attention. based on her victimhood. Anything that. happens to her that is negative, she. loves to run, tell everybody about it. Oh, poor me. Like, I'm feel like they. get I I I would rather die than like. make a name on people pitying me. That. is like the last thing I want from. anyone. But there is a certain kind of. woman in particular that gets off on. people feeling sorry for them. And she's.

one of them. She can't stand that people. don't like her and they write negative. things about her. And so if she can go. on Oprah and say, "They were worried about my the skin. color of my unborn baby and no one cared. when I was going to kill myself in the. castle." She she loves that. She loves. the sympathy that that gen engenders. from people. It makes it gives her like. a surge of serotonin. Makes her feel.

euphoric and victorious. And so here she. saw the opportunity. One of this one of their biggest. criticisms of me because over in the UK, as I said, this has been a larger thread. on like she abandoned the dad, you know, she this terrible thing. She stole Harry. from his dad and abandoned her own. I I. can shove their noses in it. I can look. like the, you know, agrieved poor me. victim. And sure enough, some British. tabloid journalist has just written this.

big thing like, "Oh, Megan, I'm sorry. All the criticis, forgive me. I was. wrong. I had no idea." So, she's like, "Shoot it into my veins. I love it." And. she that motivation was so strong and. all-consuming. She did something colossally stupid, Glenn. >> Yeah. Just, you know, this is a really, this is a it's a little Sorry, but not. really. It's I think it's actually a. major factor which is you know we've had. this kind of culture over the last say.

10 15 years where these new diseases get. invented out of whole cloth that are. extremely vague in their symptoms and it. does seem like you know I know you just. did the story of Alicia Silverstone who. went on this whole you know crusade. about MS and she turned out she she. didn't have it who knows. >> Christina Applegate. Oh yeah, Christine. Applegate. Exactly. I confused my my. celebrities, but then also I I watched. Marine Callahan do one on on Selen Dion. and her stiff person syndrome and and. whether or not that's a real diagnosis. But, you know, it's been this whole, you. know, there's all these like zillions of.

variants now of autism that people on. TikTok love to to to apply to. themselves. It's almost become like it's. kind of valorized, like it's your way to. get social cloud. But what amazes me. about it more than anything in these. cases is, you know, it's a kind of. running joke here. We always talk about. the Michelle Obama podcast because we. can't believe that somebody so blessed. and rich and powerful and lucky in every. way has so victimized herself because. she needs that victim. You're talking. here about somebody who married into the.

royal family who has no talent and yet. massive wealth beyond what can imagine. access to everything and she has a need. constantly to victimize herself. It it's. like people who have no real problems in. life like you know the world is pretty. ugly. people have some really horrific. problems they have to overcome. It seems. like the ones who don't or just have, you know, kind of ordinary like they. have the biggest need to announce to the. world that they have all these abuse. stories and diseases that that just. don't exist.

>> Yes. And and and this woman has obsessed. over her press coverage since day one. She was beloved. They celebrated her. universally. And then the story started. to come out about how badly she was. treating people behind closed doors at. the palace, how mean she was to Kate, how her behavior around the wedding and. her staff leaving, you know, one after. the other, which is a trend that has. continued to this day out in Monteceto. She can't keep a PR person. She can't. keep an assistant and so on reportedly. Um, that she like she can't stand it.

She she was out there like they were. complaining about, you know, Harry. complained about that one. absolutely. disgusting racist comment. It was I'm. trying to remember it, forgive me, but. it had something to do with. >> the baby. About the baby or nose, >> I I can't remember if it was about their. baby or it was about her. >> Was it about what's going to be the race. of the baby like when they when she was. pregnant? >> Well, no, that's a separate issue. This. was an actual racist comment that.

brought up monkeys in the context of his. wife or their expected child. I don't. remember. Forgive me. But I remember it. was it was one comment and it was. horrific. Obviously, nobody would ever. defend such a thing. But Harry had to. elevate it. He had to like keep. repeating it and keep citing it as like. the evidence that everyone's racist. who's against my wife. All these people. who criticize her are raging racists. Look at this one comment. And you and I. both know like, okay, I as a woman, you. as a gay man, we could in two seconds.

scan our mentions and find tons of. sexist. >> There's ones right now. There's ones. right now that are being said about us. this very second. >> I mean, it's just part of having a. public platform. >> Yes. We don't elevate them and like come. out and be like once again the unfair, terrible, you know, press and the online. trolling. and she says, "I'm the most. bullied person in the world." Like, come. on. You know, as you say, if you're a. public person, you're gonna get trolled.

You're gonna get repeatedly attacked. You have to get a thick skin. But they, these two refuse to develop one. >> Yeah. And you would think like their. gigantic piles of money and all the. palaces that they have and their. worldwide fame and the private jets and. the access that they go everywhere and. all the like pointless awards that they. get would in some way compensate for the. fact that a few straight people here and. there say things about them that are. unpleasant. But it's like people with. this kind of personality cannot stand. that there's anyone who It's so it's. such malignant narcissism to not be able.

to stand that somebody somewhere said. something unpleasant toward you or. doesn't like you and you have to turn it. into a worldwide scandal that becomes. like the need for all of us to look at. her and feel bad for her when 99.99% of. the people have problems a zillion times. worse. It's just it's such a sick. narcissism that drives her. Yes. Honestly, like we we just found out. that a dear friend of ours has got this. absolutely debilitating disease and is.

is the prognosis is very dim and it this. a young guy like that. There are people. out there with real problems, you know? It's like just stop like just stop with. the nonsense. No one gives a You. don't need to rehabilitate yourself on. why you chose not to be with this family. member. And by the way, for people like. me, and I would say I'm I'm a big critic. of Meghan Markle's, I I that that's. never even been a main line of attack on. her. It's her it's her personality. It's. her bully nature. It's the stuff you and. I are discussing how thin skinned she.

is. Like the woe is me victimhood, the. ridiculous, you know, reality show where. she tried to be a Martha Stewart, which. we all know she wasn't. You know, the. stupid woke language about centering. joy. All of that stuff is very. alienating. By the way, my team. forwarded me. It was a BBC journalist. who had been was fired for using a. picture of a chimpanzee in a tweet about. the royal baby born to Megan. So that's. what was done. The guy was fired and. then Harry brought that up in their.

Netflix documentary. It's like as. evidence of what there are. Obviously. there there are racists out there. There. are sexists out there. There are. homophobes out there. It's like most of. us ignore them and move on with our. lives. You know, it's like we don't. elevate and like the thing with the guy. on the Vespa like we're under attack. just the word just just all about. safety. Get to the next garage. There's. one dude on a vest, but calm down. So, here we go again. It's that same. instinct that made her I mean, seriously, step in a landmine today. This was a very, very dumb thing to do.

Um, okay, let's keep going. the Ilan. Omar Omar case the latest today I want. to tell the audience because we've been. following this closely here Glenn is um. Janine Piro the DOJ released a legal. filing that calls her not Ilan Omar but. Ilan um I always forget to say the whole. thing but it's Ilan Nurosed Elme which. appears to be her actual name and they. referred to her as Ilan Nurosed Elme aka.

a Elan Omar in a DOJ filing that was. just submitted in the court in response. to a media application to unseal the. search warrant. And then Janine Piro. went on with Jesse Waters on Fox News. last night and confirmed that that's. that's her real name. According to. Janine Piro, stop 4. >> Her real name is Ilhan Nur say Elme. >> And that name is almost identical.

to the name of the guy she married. Is that what is tipping you off? >> Well, obviously, Jesse, I'm not going to. tell you what's tipping us off. What. we're concerned about is whether or not. she has followed the laws as it relates. to the use of these names. And it's kind. of like in Romeo and Juliet. Remember. the Capulet and the Montigu. It matters. not who you are, but who you are not.

>> Okay. I appreciate the reference to. Shakespeare on Fox News. You don't see. that every day. Um now Jonathan Turley, respected law professor George. Washington um law, he was on as well. last night and said the following in. stop 4B. >> Well, it's very significant and the fact. is that you have to have your real name. on passports on on applica and filings. for campaign uh for official offices for.

as a member of Congress. All of those. types of filings come with a. representation that they are true and. accurate and that can create potential. legal problems. You know, the question. is whether, you know, she could be. stripped of her her citizenship, that. would obviously mean she couldn't be a. member of Congress, but also it's true. that if she was elected on false. pretenses, if she violated federal. election law, that would also put her. seat in danger. We just don't know. Representative Omar has the ability to.

put many of these things to rest. She's. had that ability for years, and she. really has done nothing but give these. denials without offering anything to put. them to rest. >> So, what do you make of it, Glenn? >> So, I may see things here a little bit. differently than you. I haven't heard. you talk about this yet, so I'm not. sure, but but people in your audience. So. it has been a longstanding. assertion in many sectors of American.

right politics for many years that Ilan. Omar married her brother. I don't and. that that was the basis of her obtaining. of US citizenship which obviously would. be a fraudulent means of of doing so. >> His. not her. >> Right. Sorry. Sorry. Right. Right. Exactly. But there are questions too. about her citizenship which is why they. have talked about her denatural because. if she helped him. >> as an American citizen obtained. citizenship that wouldn't lead to the. dennaturalization of her citizenship.

that you can't denaturalize for that. reason. >> No, we're we're all up to speed. >> Okay, good. Good. Good. So, um I'm. agnostic on this. I'm I have an open. mind. I've never seen evidence that is. in any way conclusive. What we just. heard is, you know, probative. It's an. interesting fact. The reality is a lot. of people from many parts of the world. have very similar names even though. they're unrelated. I certainly would. consider it to be some kind of a smoking. gun by any means. And I'm willing to see. the how the investigation unfolds. What.

I'll tell you what bothers me about it. is that I spent four years during the. Biden administration as one of the. loudest people. I know you did too. Tucker Carlson did. Many many people did. objecting to the weaponization of the. Justice Department against political. enemies. And when I at least I did that, it didn't mean that in every case there. was no criminality. I mean, I think Paul. Maniffort actually committed crimes that. they discovered and and was convicted. for. Maybe some other people did too and. kind of perjury, but the problem was.

they were going after their critics. They were going after the people that. they thought were the biggest threat to. them. And that ultimately is a misuse of. the of the Justice Department. And this. is something that there's there's two. there's different investigations as. well. There's a financial investigation. that was actually started by the Biden. administration, which makes me much more. open-minded. I want to see what the. evidence is there and if there's. something significant there. But the. immigration part, the fact that she. people are talking about her being. dnaturalized. It is almost unheard of to denaturalize. people. She's she's been in the US.

>> Trump's been doing it. >> since she's been doing it. Administration has been doing it in. record numbers. >> I know. No. Has been doing No, you mean. but not No, but not after not after 25. years. Not after 25 years. This is quite. uncommon to do. Um I don't I don't know. how after how long, but he I I know that. his administration has been breaking. records denaturalizing people. They're. going after people who are here who lied. to get naturalized. >> Okay. But she's been here since she's. 13. She's been a US citizen for 25 years.

since since 2000. And let me just ask. you like do you actually. >> But Glenn, you know very well if she was. not naturalized lawfully. She can't be a. US Congress per person. Article one of. the Constitution makes that perfectly. clear. Absolutely. You have to be a US. citizen. No, of course you have to be. you have to be a US citizen one way or. the other. You have to be a naturalb. born citizen or or or a naturalized. citizen. That's that's I I agree with. that completely. >> But what do you do you let's just get. real for a second. If if if Omar were. instead of being a leftwing Democrat, highly critical of Donald Trump and. being one of these people who uses woke.

language and accuses everybody of racism. and supports Palestine so aggressively, had instead been a Republican supporter. of Donald Trump and and the general. Trump agenda. Do you do you really think. the Trump administration would be. digging back with all the illegal. immigration cases we have the violent. immigration issues going back 25 26. years to try and find out whether or not. these rumors that have been around. right-wing politics forever are really. valid and and spending the resources to. to to try and remove her from Congress. A very popular congresswoman who's been. repeatedly reelected by her own.

district. That's what bothers me. I. think the. >> I'll let me answer it. Let me answer it. I think if she had just done that, like. if she had just had an improper. naturalization and that was the end of. it, then no. But the case against Alan. Omar is appearing to me they've kept it. all under seal and they're not speaking. much about it. So this all what I've. gleaned um involves multiple incidents. of immigration fraud. So, what they. appear to be getting ready to allege is. that she came over, that her name was. not Ilan Omar, that it was Ilan Nured.

Elme, that she came over with her sister. and I believe her father, that her. brother and her other sister, Ila, stayed in the UK, the brother that she. would eventually marry, that they lied. and said that they were Omar's because. the Omar family was getting refugee. status. And so they claimed these three. as part of their family and said that. they were Omar's instead of Elm's which. was ill unlawful. The father's. naturalization would have been unlawful. and then Ilon's uh naturalization would.

have been unlawful as well. They also. may have changed her birth date because. even under the you know potentially. legal scheme of okay we're going to give. you refugee status she needed to be. under 18 and it looks like she was 17. her team went back after the fact to. change her birth date in the official. records, which seems very sketchy. That. would be another instance. And then once. she got away with it, rather than just. like leading a private life, she decided. to marry her brother. It is definitely. her brother. She denies it, but that is.

her brother. I welcome the lawsuit for. defamation. Honestly, I I really look. forward to getting all the discovery on. this guy because that's her brother. Um. there are literally only three people. with a last name um Nured Elme in the. UK. This guy Akmed who she married is. one. Leila her sister is the other. And. the third is Muhammad who I believe. might be another brother of hers. Those. are the only three. >> Can I just admit to be clear? So what. you're saying you're saying there's. there's an aspect of this case that is.

about her obtaining her citizenship. illegally and then there's a what she. got illegal immigration. You can sponsor. people. If you marry someone as a. citizen, they become citizens. You're. saying she engaged in fraudulent. behavior to get other people's. citizenship as well, including what you. say is her brother. That's her brother. >> No, no, I get it. I'm just trying to. understand your argument. >> at least. And then it looks like I mean. then every passport application she. filled out would have been unlawful. Any. marriage benefit that she sought with. the brother would have been unlawful. Like multiple felonies. She's she would.

have had to certify o under oath um the. the name of the person that she was. marrying and so on. All of which she. would have had to certify uh she did she. did in 2017 she she swore under penalty. of perjury while divorcing um Elme the. brother that she had zero contact with. him since 2011 and she had no clue on. how to find him. She was claiming. basically abandonment in 2017. and they. married back in 2009 and by 2011 she was. claiming abandonment. He was no longer.

in the picture and she was having a baby. with her real husband who's the Muslim. guy she married years before though not. in a legal ceremony just in a Muslim. one. So this was a lie. She did have. contact with her brother. She did know. how to find him and I believe she. committed perjury then. The the. violations are there's so many Glenn. >> and it may have gone beyond. >> statute of limitations problems right? I. mean, some of them must have statute of. limitations problems. >> Agreed. >> Yes, they do. They absolutely have. statute of limitations problems. And so, that's been one of our big questions is.

because if there was a more current. violation, something she swore under. penalties of perjury about her name, about her marriage, about her. immigration status, then they may have. her. There was also a mention by Brian. Kilme Fox and Friends that this could. potentially be a RICO case based on a. source that had told him that, which. would revive otherwise dead claims. Um, so you can have dead felonies because of. the statute of limitations that get. revived under RICO, which is a more it's. it's an umbrella claim of racketeering. conspiracy where you're like a crime.

boss. You've committed so many crimes. and they don't go they don't need to. prove that they're within the statute of. limitations only that RICO has to be. Um, so I think it's the multitude of. flagrant immigration violations and you. mark my words, there is no doubt she. married the brother. And I mean, you are. too smart to have accepted that line. with Chris Hayes. Not to my knowledge. There's no way that didn't raise your. the. >> No, no, no. I No, I get that. All I want. all but all I think it's important that. we're getting clarity now because I know.

just from you know being around. right-wing discourse that for a long. time the argument was we have to deport. her because she got citizenship by. marrying her brother and and that's not. actually the claim. The claim is she. married her brother after she got. citizenship. But anyway, let me just say. this and and you you know very well that. this is the thing I say in every case. for every party for every type of person. of any politics and you do too. I do get. uncomfortable with trial by leak in. media and right now the the information. is in the hands of the Trump Justice. Department. It's being leaked to a lot.

of right-wing outlets. I'm not saying. all I'm not saying all of this is a lie. I'm just saying when you have what is on. its surface a politically charged. prosecution, meaning the people who are. prosecuting are in one political side, the people they're targeting on the. other. I do think heightened skepticism. is required. I'm not saying disbelieve. at all. It's all lie. leave Illan Omar. alone. She's, you know, subject to the. laws like anybody else is. And if she. committed whatever crimes, including. trying to get in the country, that's a. legitimate source of scrutiny. Let's.

just remember, she got to the country. when she was 17. She got citizenship, depending on the birthday, when she was. 17 or 18. >> Glenn, your your facts are outdated. She. got here when she was 13. It's become. clear to me. No, she got to the country. when she was 12 back in 1995. And then 5. years later or 13, we don't know which. because that's the one of the disputes. because 5 years later was she 17 or 18. >> But she did not get here when she was. 17. She got here when she was 12 or 13. years later she was naturalized. derivatively when her father got. naturalized. No, I bet you But are you.

aware that AJ Kemp, who ran against Ilan. Omar for a state represent or back in um. in the primary, I should say, for the. federal congressional seat, went to DHS. and citizenship and immigration services. and foyed the naturalization papers for. the father and they responded. No record. found. They could not find any record of. the dad's naturalization. Now, we had on. uh a reporter for Alpha News who's been. all over this story since 2016. She did.

not think that naturalization was going. to be difficult to prove. She actually. told our audience, "I think they're. going to be able to prove that." The. Washington Post also said that. So, I. don't know what happened in the case of. AJ Kemp and and why she has and she's. made them public on the internet. She. does have a cert certificate of not no. record from DHS when it comes to the. dad's naturalization. So, it is possible. there was no naturalization, which would. mean Elon has none since hers was purely. derivative. And it's also possible it. was given, but it was given under false. pretenses that were essentially. fraudulent, which would undo it.

>> Possible. I'm thinking, look, Glenn, here's my point. I just want to say. something. This is not this is not our. our No, our reporting has not been based. on leaks from the DOJ. The only thing. I'm mentioning that about is what Brian. Kilmeard that this could potentially be. a RICO case. The facts around Ilan Omar. are not in any case coming from the. government. They've kept their lips. sealed on this. And trust me, I have. government sources, so I can speak to. you on that. This is coming from. investigations that have been done by. actual shoe leather reporting from 2016. to now. People like Scott Johnson,

people like our guest the other day, Preya. Uh people like this great. reporter David Steinberg who's been on. the Omar case for now almost 11 years. who have pulled social media posts. between Ilan Omar, her sister Ila, their. brother Ahmed who she married liking. each other's birth of the children. That's him holding up Ilon's niece. saying fresh out of the vagina that he's. that's her husband calling Ilon's baby. his niece because that's in fact what. this baby is to him. It's not his baby.

It's her baby with the first husband, the Muslim guy. And there's just today. there's uh David Steinberg has. resurrected a piece of journalism he did. in 2018 about Akmed and his schooling. And he points out that on Ilan Omar's. 2009 marriage document to Akmed Nur say. Almei uh and her 2017 divorce. proceedings, she states that that. husband Akmed Nur say Elme was born on. April 4th, 1985. that he went back to.

the American high school that Akmed N. Elme um was enrolled in at as a senior. in the in the class of 2003 at Arlington. Senior High School in St. Paul, Minnesota from September 2002 through. June 2003. He graduated, received a demo. diploma. That guy was born on April 4th, 1985. So this is the official high school. record um of Akmed Nur say Elme. Both.

her brother and her husband have exactly. the same name and the same birthday. Glenn, the same name and the same birth. date. And he's all over the internet. holding up her baby, saying, "Meet my. niece." And he celebrates Leila's, who's. her sister, birth of her baby, as his. nieces, who Ilon has also called. publicly her niece. They've since. scrubbed the social media, but these. intrepid reporters already grabbed the. screen grabs and have them. So, it's it. like the jig is up. This is a family. that split. She married the brother to. get him a green card. And when he tried.

to get his green card to go from. temporary to permanent, they asked for. more information about his obviously. sham marriage. He withdrew the request. >> Okay. Well, I I I I'm not going to. And. to be perfectly honest, I can't sit here. and litigate each one of these facts. with you in part because this has this. has been investigated primarily by. people who are and this doesn't mean. they're bad journalists. In fact, there. are huge numbers of good journalists on. the right, but people who are interested. Millia Nomar because they dislike her. politically. Not saying that impuges the. reporting. I'm just saying that's true. So, it hasn't been a lot of people.

focusing on this, including me. Let me. just add a couple of facts. You may. think they're irrelevant. She got here. in when she was 12 or 13. Her family. entered the country legally. There's no. doubt about that. I'm not saying you've. disputed that. I'm just pointing that. out. They got here on an asylum claim. The issue about her. >> there's there's some there's some debate. if they changed the name. If they if. they came if they were if only the. Omar's were getting refugee status or. asylum and they glombmed on the Elm. glombmed on and claimed falsely that. they were Omar's in order to piggy back. onto this then then there is a question. because her dad may have been working.

for uh a a warlord in Somalia to whom we. would never have given refugee status. So that I that is in contest. >> Okay. And and I I believe she got. citizenship through her father when she. was either 17 or 18 which is one in. question. Um, and I I we also went. through the whole first. >> Trump term, four years where this was. not uncovered or unearthed or. investigated. And so all I'm saying to. you, and I'm not defending Ian Omar, I'm. not saying she was innocent, in part.

because I don't have the facts, and in. part because I'd want to wait to see. like an adversarial investigation of. this first, like I've said on the. Cornell case and zillion of other. things. But all I'm saying here is that. uh this this is a very old case and it. just so happens to be that the target is. one of Trump's most hated uh opponents. He said probably more about Iliano. >> We cannot have a non-citizen serving in. the US Congress. Totally agree. >> It's a hard no. >> Nobody I don't think anybody I mean. nobody thinks that a non- US citizen can.

be serving or should be serving in the. US Congress. The question is, and it's. certainly my question, is let's wait. until there's like, and I'm not saying. you shouldn't cover it. Everybody's. covering it. That's totally legitimate. for me. I'm gonna wait until I see a. kind of fuller scale investigation. Right now, it's been journalists on the. right doing their jobs or pursuing. >> You don't know any of these facts. You're not looking. You I don't think. you're interested because you didn't. know any of the stuff I just told you. You have no idea about those social. media posts. You don't know what the. names of the siblings in the UK are. You. don't know when they came over here. You.

haven't been paying attention because. this is not your story. No, I I totally. I I'm the one who said that. Like, look, I can't litigate these these facts. because I don't know them well enough to. be able to litigate them with you, but I. do know that this has been a a huge. interest on the right for a long time in. part because the right hates I Omar. That doesn't mean she's innocent, but I. would just like to see this place this. play out in a just she's not even been. charged yet. So, let's see what happens. as the due process evolves and and and. which of these claims are valid. That's. all I'm saying. I hope that's not. controversial, but you're right. I I'm.

not here to say, "Hey, I'm the expert on. the Ilan Omar case, so let me tell you. what really happened." I admitted from. the start, I can't litigate this case. with you because I haven't defended. these I haven't becoming the expert. >> I I am I am no David Steyberg, but I'm. I'm getting close. But at the end of the. day, it'll be Scott Johnson's reporting. >> Prey is reporting. Here is what Trump is. saying, and I do find this very. interesting. Stop five. >> She used a fake name to be sworn in. I. assume she must immediately have to. resign from Congress. Sir,

our great speaker of the house of. representatives that the Democrat party. has just conceded her seat that Elhan. Nur say Elme her real name is openly. admitted to fraud and she will not be. legally allowed to be a member of that. August body. any longer. That does raise an interesting point. If.

her real name, and I believe he's 100%. right, is Ilan Nured Elme and she ran. for office as Ilan Omar and the people. of Minnesota elected Ilan Omar. I don't. know whether she can continue serving. I. actually. >> there's no formal name change. She never. legally changed her name at at some. point. That it's it's proven that that. >> I have no idea. >> Okay. But he's saying this is what this. is the problem I have. He's saying these.

are the facts and I don't think they're. quite as proven. >> Well, he knows more than we know. >> But he's also a political actor on the. campaign trail trying to convince people. to vote for Republicans. And it's not. like he is scrupulous. is saying no. But DOJ is saying in a. court filing to Judge Boseberg, no less, that she is aka Ilan Nored Elme. Now, they they have not like filed suit. saying there's no proper name change,

but I don't think there would be a. proper name change because. >> they haven't charged her. >> No, there's been no charges yet, but. she's you you and I both know there's. something in there. Otherwise, they we. wouldn't have gotten a search warrant. So, like they're closing in on her. around something. and the name if she. didn't properly change her name from. Ilan Nurse Sed Elme to Ilan Omar before. she ran for office then we do not have. the right person serving from this. district in Minnesota like all these. really are problems. >> but no but that that's a big if you know. it was like this reminds me and I think.

I talked about it on your show but I I. >> AOC stood up and said these seven guys. in this frat house at Cornell gang raped. a woman they drugged her and they were. allowed to get away with it and I had a. huge angry problem with what AOC did. because when you're a public official, you can't condemn people without there. having been a trial and and assert facts. that haven't been proven. I think it's. irresponsible for a public official to. do that. I would just like to see there. be some more not journalistic. investigation, but legal investigation.

Let's get her lawyers in. Let's make the. process adversarial and we'll see what. really stands up to scrutiny. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't think these are. the same situation at all. One is. prejudging a a criminal allegation of. rape that had zero support and one is. simply pointing out she has a different. name there. There's she definitely has a. different name. And if you look back. honestly like people. change their names all the time. >> Why? They change their names. But the al. but you have to look at the allegations. in this case Glenn. This isn't just oh.

gee she changed it. This is the. allegation is that the Omar's were. getting refugee status or asylum here in. the United States and that the Elmmeies. weren't. And the reason the family split. is because the Omar's could only take so. many Elmmeies. And that is why when she. came over, she pretended she was just a. child, but the father pretended he was. an Omar. And he had two Omar daughters. because he did not want them to know he. was this guy, Elme, who was a colonel in. this very controversial military group.

>> Um, and so the whole thing was a fraud. There would have been no changing of the. name because the whole thing was a fraud. from the start. It was a we're refugees, war torn country, accept our words. We're Omar's. We're not Elm's. And then. the digging bea began. I want to say. this uh in her defense that she a. spokesperson after the president's. comments came out and said to Fox News. Digital, "This is completely false. Ilan. Omar is her real name.". >> Umah,

yeah, that was it. Okay. >> I'm actually in Minnesota next week and. I believe I'll be interviewing her. So, I'll take all of these things you've. presented here and elsewhere. I'm. obviously going to be prepared. I'm not. going to go in and be like, "I don't. know about this case. Tell me about it.". Um, and hopefully. >> I'll talk to you offline before. Definitely. I'd love that. I'd love. that. It's not 100% firm, but I think. that's awesome. Good for you. >> Let's do that. Let's do that. >> She should sit down with you. You are. truly one of the most fair journalists. on earth. She could do no better. Um, cuz you're like one of the few, you. would never pull a Chris Hayes. If she. said to you, not to my did you marry.

your brother? Not to my knowledge. You. would say, what does that mean? Like. that's all we ask. Our standards are not. that high. >> It's going to be adversarial. I want to. present her with the things that people. like you are saying and and and press. her on it and let her see if if if she. has an answer for it. Otherwise, why do. the interview? >> You know that as well as anyone. That's. how you do interviews. I I shouldn't. have probably announced it because it's. not 100% confirmed, but very close to. it. So, uh yeah, I'll be going back and. listening to our segment and writing. down all your your information.

Honestly, Glenn, I I said to the. audience yesterday, I was so annoyed. watching the Chris Hayes interview. because and I was pointing out when I. interviewed Hegsth prior to his. confirmation and I had to confront him. about this rape allegation that I. defended him on on this program. I did. not believe the rape allegation. I went. through the complaint, you know, and but. then when I when I had him, I had to do. my job. I had to press him on every. allegation. I had to ask him tough. questions about it. I we had very. uncomfortable moments on it. Did I do it. because I enjoy putting a friend of mine. in a very tough spot about alleged rape? No, but we we have a duty in your.

business. And it's like, yes, don't. don't take the interview if you can't do. your job, Chris Hayes. >> And also, just quickly, I I know I've. mentioned this before, but the very. first time I ever started watching your. show and then talked about you publicly, it was like 2011, 2012, I had seen you. grilling the crap out of Republican. senators. Um, and I suddenly occurred to. me, I was on MSNBC all the time in CNN. I never ever see a Democratic senator. being adversarily questioned like that.

And I remember I did an interview with. Politico and they say, "Oh, they keep. saying Fox is this like partisan hack. channel." Go watch how Megan Kelly. interviews GOP senators and go compare. it to how you know the Chris Hazes and. Anderson Coopers talk to Democratic. senators and you'll see what the hack. channel is. >> It's so it's so annoying. You know, it's. like it doesn't have to be fun. You. know, there are a lot of aspects of what. you and I do that that are fun, but like. when you have to confront somebody you. like and or are rooting for politically. because, you know, we all have our.

preferences or our favorites out there. >> and you have to go hard on them on an. issue, you know, they'd rather not. discuss. It is unpleasant, but it is. part of the job. And you cannot look at. yourself in the mirror in the morning if. you do what Chris Hayes did. So, all of. which means she's probably going to. cancel on you. If she doesn't cancel on. you, I'm going to give her a lot of. credit. I genuinely will give her a lot. of credit right here. Um, so I fingers. crossed that this comes comes through. for you. Hold. All right. Stand by. We're going to we're going to take a.

quick quick break, right? Yeah. And then. we'll be right back. More with Glenn. right after this. >> Our sponsor, the Electronic Payments. Coalition, says Washington politicians. are always getting in your wallet and. that now they're messing with your. credit card. They say your credit card. and the security it offers are under. attack and that senators Dick Durban and. Roger Marshall want to change the. nation's payment system to benefit. corporate mega stores like Walmart and. Target at the expense of everyday. Americans. Credit cards can keep your. payments secure and provide rewards that.

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GOP's um position right now that the. Dems are trying to play in Mississippi. Not great. And um she's done a few. things here. She's she's tried to debut. a new voice. Let's check in and see how. that went. Sen. that era that era of feeling powerless. like what can we do? This just keeps. happening. That era is over because we are now 13.

days away from doing something about it. to stop the pain. So that's where we are right now. And. that's kind of exciting, right? That this is some good stuff. Like we're taking our power and we're. using it. to determine who will hold offices. like. being the governor of Nevada, which is so important for the people.

every day on the most basic issues that. affect our lives, who will continue to. walk those halls of Congress being an. extraordinary fighter. Okay, that one was in Nevada. The next. one's in Mississippi. Her critics think. she was trying to sound like AOC there, Glenn. Um, what did you think? Were you. were you moved? >> Yes. I got to collect myself. I'm a bit. emotional uh from having been so.

inspired by you. Do you remember this. was probably the cringiest moment of the. 2024 election was when Tim Waltz's wife. who I think is a who was is an. elementary school teacher gave that. speech trying to excite the crowd and. she was basically speaking to them like. fourth graders which it was embarrassing. but you kind of understood cuz she spent. her whole life talking to fourth graders. and I guess it's hard to. >> this was Kla Harris almost like talking. to people like they were in kindergarten. you know you speak really slow but. you're always happy so they don't feel. that Megan how Was she getting worse?

She She was already one of the most like. talentless, just immediately and. instinctively repellent people to ever. emerge on the political scene at a. national level. How is she getting. worse? What What was that? That was. >> her way to Mississippi. Maybe she did. better down there. What's that 11? >> Never let someone else's limited ability. to see your capacity. be a limitation on your ambition.

Let me repeat that. Never let anybody else's somebody else's. limited ability to see your capacity. >> to be a limitation on your ambition. >> That's their limitation. That's not our. limitation. >> Wow. Everything she says she thinks she's. Oprah and she's not Oprah. She's no. version of Oprah. Not the current, not.

the old. Um, now she's been reduced to. sort of occasional pundit. Glenn, I. don't think she's the answer to their. problems. >> Yeah. You know, it's funny that you said. about Oprah because I actually have. thought before that when Kl, you know, like the thing she said about the past. and not being a constraint or whatever. that that her horrifically awkward. observation she used to repeat. I I used. to think and maybe I still do that she. actually thinks it's not even like she's. Oprah self-help kind of uh a prophet, but she's actually some sort of like.

deep philosopher who's discovered these. insights into how human human be beings. and history proceeds. And in reality, it. it's basically like an elementary. version of what you would pick up at. like the worst self, you know, like grab. a self-help book on the way to the. airport to to get a plane. I mean, it's. so it's fortune cookie stuff. >> Yeah, it's fortune cookie stuff. It's. She's the worst. Ah, please. Part of me. wants her to run because it's good for. us and entertaining. And the other part, I don't think I can take it.

>> Who would deploy her? Who what who would. be I mean, I guess it's like, okay, Mississippi, there's a large black. population. Maybe they're trying to get. them excited. Um, like who would say Kla. Harris is the answer to this for me. running for office? Now, wait. I I have. other subjects. I want to talk about. what happened on Call Her Daddy. got a. couple of things I want to do. Can you. stick around for a few more minutes, Glenn? Or do you. >> got Megan? Of course, for you. >> Awesome. Okay, so we're going to stay. over. We're going to take a break. We're. going to come right right back. There's. just there's news on Ellen Degenerous. and what a terrible person she is.

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claim eligibility for your free silver. on a qualifying purchase before October. 30th. That's MK to989898. Check it out today. So Glenn, um BB. Netanyahu is up for reelection uh in. Israel and Vice President JD. advance. was asked to weigh in on it because. President Trump endorsed him which I. guess shouldn't surprise me but did um. and like really endorsed him hard hard. endorsed kind of suggested if you don't.

if you don't elect him I don't know what. I'm going to be doing when it comes to. Israel you know without Netanyahu at the. helm and then our pal Mark Halpern asked. JD Vance to weigh in so I'm going to. play you his answer and then I'm play. the reaction to his answer on Fox and. Friends watch. I normally don't ask yes. no questions, but I'm going to ask you. two and try to hold you to net yes no. Uh, over the weekend, the president. endorsed Benjamin Netanyahu for. re-election in Israel. Do you endorse. Benjamin Netanyahu? >> The president has the most effective.

endorsement in American or international. political history. I endorse American. candidates and that's where I'm focused. on is the midterm. So, I'm not getting. involved in the Israeli election. >> So, so, so you're not you don't want to. say one way or the other whether you. >> I'm not anti-endorsing him. I'm not prom. endorsing him. I'm not getting involved. in Israeli elections. >> Right. Okay. >> But he went out of his way to say I even. though the president endorsed Bi. Netanyahu, I am not. >> Says I'm not staying out of That's. interesting because the wrap on him is. he seems to be a little bit anti-Israel, >> right? >> Um unforced error,

>> right? >> He would say unforced error. There's no. reason to say that. >> because you know who he did vote for? He. he went and campaigned for Victor Orban. in Hungary. So you can't say I don't. worry about other people's elections. when he goes see Victor Orban in Hungary. who lost. So it's not true that he went out of his. way. Mark asked him directly yes or no. Are you endorsing like he he was on the. spot and he got out of bounds is what he. did. You know he which you know I was. joking the other day Glenn it was like. would you like to hold this plutonium.

and play with it? That would be so fun. for you. And he is too he was like I'm. out. Peace out. Um and that it was an. unforced error. You know, I I I think. the vice president's position on Israel. is he's pro- Israel, but with limits. He's not as pro as Trump is, and he's. not as anti as some of the, you know, left and now parts of the modern right. are, but he's somewhat skeptical about.

like just how close we are in doing. their bidding militarily. But he's. pro-Israel. I think he would describe. himself as pro- Israel. Anyway, you can. see that, you know, the the guys at Fox. and Friends were not they were and I. love those guys, but they were they were. not happy with that answer. >> If you think about it, the whole issue. is so bizarre. I mean, sometimes leaders. do endorse or maybe not as quite as. overtly as Trump does because that's. just who he is. When he does something, he does it very candidly and. aggressively. You know, like Obama. endorsed Mcronone when he was running. against Marine Le Pen. This this is not.

so unusual, but I think that uh in this. case, you know, it makes sense when say. you have like a far-right leader and a. leftwing leader and you have a. right-wing government in the US and. they're like, "Yeah, we prefer the. rightwing leader. That makes sense.". Same with Obama and Mcronone. You can. understand why he doesn't want Le Pen. But in in in in the case of Israel, none. of the things that we fight about here. in the US about Israel are really in. dispute in Israel. It's not like. Netanyahu is running against, you know, Zoran Mandami. I mean all the people who. may win if not Netanyahu feel pretty.

much the same way he does about Iran, about Gaza. It's not like these are. these are any real differences for. Israel that they have a lot of disputes. domestically. I think what JD Van said. is, you know, vice presidents are always. in a little bit of a difficult position. because he has to he wants to run in. 2028, but in order to do that, he can't. have Trump opposed to him, but he also. doesn't want to link himself to things. that Trump believes that he thinks will. be harmful to him or that he doesn't. believe. This was clearly a case. And. so, we appeal to the America first view,

which is like, look, this isn't my role. as vice president to tell Israelis who. who who who they should elect as as. their president. And like standing. alone, I think that makes a lot of. sense, doesn't it? Like why should JD. Vance or or Trump be involved in and. focused on Israeli politics? They were. elected to represent the American. people. And that's what makes that Fox, you know, panel so bizarre. If you don't. endorse and support Netanyahu, you're. anti-Israel. More than half of the. Israelis don't. He's probably going to.

lose. He's favored to lose. Most. Israelis don't like Netanyahu. So, how. does that make you anti-Netanyahu? >> It's not even like he's opposing him. He's just saying I won't endorse him. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. Anti-Israel. And also, you know, this whole thing. unforced error. Like, why is it an. unforced error? You think Americans. sitting in the United States for the. most part are the one who are caring. about I want to make sure JD Vance is. helping Netanyahu when they want JD. Vance helping them and their families, not Netanyahu. But in Fox News world,

it's just so secondary that you love and. and rever Israel. Yeah. No, that's that's true. And it was. very interesting, too, because it's like. I was listening to the Daily podcast. I. think it was yesterday, and they took a. dive into that election and what the. issues are, and it was it was like what. I didn't know. One of the big issues is. I guess ultraconservative. Jews in Israel don't have to serve in. the military, ultra. >> and the other Israelis.

are mad. They're they're fed up with it. and they want they they basically. collect all these, you know, tax. benefits from um everybody else and they. don't serve in the military like. everybody else and they want to bring an. end to that. And there's also a lot of. anger toward Netanyahu over 107 because. these reports came out that he knew he. was notified that it was going to happen. and they felt like his one big thing was. always he was going to keep Israel safe. and he didn't do that. So, it's like, look, these these are issues that the.

Israeli people are going to have to. decide, but it's like, it's a good. point. Like, why why does our vice. president have to say anything about it? He doesn't have to say anything about. it. And it's smart politics not to say. anything about it, right? And and I. don't think Fox News would be angry if. he refused to comment on say who should. win in Indonesia or who should win in. like Uruguay. You know, why does Israel. always have this like special sacred. status? And like I said, it's not like. JD Vance said, "Hey, let's cut off all. is all all weapons and aid to Israel and. and never have anything to do with them. again." He just said like, "I don't.

think it's appropriate for me to get. involved and and endorse one of the. candidates." And somehow they. interpreted that and they wanted to kind. of say anti-semitic since that's been. brewing about JD Vans as well. They. didn't quite go that far, but it was. like a sinister implication that somehow. his refusal to endorse Netanyahu was. indicative of something darker lurking. And there were so many just bothersome. assumptions embedded in what and how. they reacted. >> To me, it was indicative of where things. are going in in the next year and two.

years, which is like the Fox News. brigade is definitely going to be behind. someone not named JD Vance. He JD is not. going to get the support of the Fox. News. Even if Trump endorses him, you. think even if Trump endorses JD Vance, Fox News will be opposed. >> Yes. Yes. 100%. I believe that. I think. they will want Marco. Or in the longer. discussion, I heard them just the other. day were talking about who's going to be. the president or who who are going to be.

the people running for president and. they were like, you know, JD, Marco. And. um one of the anchors was like, don't. forget Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is definitely. going to run. Ted Cruz like Ted Cruz has. zero zero chance of becoming the. Republican nominee. zero, but they made. sure to mention his name because, you. know, he's as pro-Israel as they come. It's very clear to me Fox will get. behind the the most pro-Israel one who. can win. And JD will be left with the. rest, you know, sort of the non. Israel Republicans. And it's going to be.

very, very interesting to see who wins. control of the party because whoever is. the actual nominee will will have. control of the party. Then we'll see. whether they win. I I do think JD is. going to say repeatedly, I I consider. Israel an ally. I think the United. States should be close to Israel, you. know, but I'm I'm more focused on our. problems. He's gonna he's not going to. want to lose the Israeli wing of the. GOP, >> right? But I also I think he has the. best argument because Trump rebranded. the Republican party America first. And.

there's no reason JD Vance has to ever. say a word critical of Israel. This is. actually something like El Say has been. doing and and Mandami and other. Democrats like I think just leaving them. whatever you view them as a side. politically effectively. You know the. big moment in in Mandami's campaign that. even a lot of people on the on the right. cheered was when they asked every. candidate what's the first country. you're going to go visit. They all said. Israel Israel. Israel and Mandami said. I'm going to stay here and focus on our. citizens including Jews in New York. because that's what I'm and I think.

that's a winning line like you know he. doesn't have to advance oppose Israel. we can just say we should work with. Israel when it's in our interest when. it's not. You know, that's fine and we. don't have to, but our focus should be. on the interest of the American people. and not this like devotion to Israel. independent of that. And I I think. that's a winning argument since. conservative voters are primed to think. of themselves as America first. >> It's very good. Very, very smart. Yes, he should listen to you. >> Um, okay. So, the lady, the sex.

podcaster over at the Call Her Daddy. podcast, I mean, just absolute filth. coming out of that mouth and that. production. Filth on every front. I. mean, just absolutely nothing redeeming. is being produced from that set. And the. latest example is she had on actress. Sophia Bush, who I have to be honest, I. had no idea who Sophia Bush was, but. this clip caught my attention because of. just how ridiculous it was and offensive.

and what just how how terrible the. advice was. Turns out Sophia Bush is 44. years old. She played Brooke Davis on. One Tree Hill, which I have seen, but I. don't remember her. I've only seen. episodes here or there because my. daughter watched it. Um, just so you. know, as you watch this clip, she's had. three marriages. One was to Chad Michael. Murray, who was also in One Tree Hill. and Gilmore Girls. Um, that marriage. lasted five months. They separated after. 5 months. He cheated on her with Paris. Hilton reportedly. Then she married.

somebody named Grant Hughes. That. marriage lasted um 13 months. She filed. for divorce 13 months later. And now. she's gone full lesb. She is now married. to a woman and that's fine, but just a. surprise twist at the end there. So, she's had three marriages by the age of. 44 and she's got thoughts on marriages. and partners and so on and she discussed. those with the disgusting Call her Her. Daddy podcast host. Let's watch.

>> It's only gotten better. Yeah. And I. think that's such a beautiful message to. leave women with because I do think we. can get really really in our heads about. >> oh my god I feel like I'm maybe I. shouldn't leave this marriage because. >> can I even get better? And the answer is. always yes. >> The answer is always yes. And this idea. that it's too late or you're too old or. who are you to want more? That's. patriarchy. >> That is crazy. We don't need it.

Okay. So, can I do better? Should I. leave this marriage? The answer is. always yes. These two nimrods would like. you to know. Glenn, you know, I I I just I I don't understand what. this show even is because it's a bunch. of people who have no apparent. credentials to do anything other than.

act. You know, it's not I mean there are. like actors who are very not but they. don't get those kind of people. They get. people to come on and talk about every. time I hear these clips kind of about. the like most toddy uh aspects of their. sexual and intimate lives that aren't. informative that they're just being done. for like shock value almost. >> And when it comes to marriage, you know, we've had a lot of debate about. marriage. we've changed the conventions. of it, not just over, you know, gay. couples, but also, you know, divorce. used to be extremely. uh ostracized and and and and difficult,

and we've loosened that. You know, Ronald Reagan was the first elected uh. divorced uh person to ever be elected. But we've gotten to the point where, and. it's bizarre to me when you hear people. say it, to say, you know what, like. you're kind of annoyed in the marriage. and things aren't working, just just. leave. Just go to the next one. It's. like, what is the point of marriage? You. know, to me, one of the most beautiful. things of marriage is it's never easy. It's never easy to bring two complex. adults together and especially in this. world and have you form a family and a.

marriage and and kids and the like. The. what the foundation of it is is that you. commit to to to to creating love and. building lives together. And this what I. just heard is like, yeah, the minute you. know, you feel like you're a little bit. unsatisfied, just pick up and leave. You're not the slave of the husband. >> Can I get even better? And the answer is. always yes. >> I mean that's just, you know, that's. just a a recipe for h either dying with. like 14 husbands.

>> or. >> Yeah. >> You know, just never having the. slightest amount of loyalty or. commitment to your relationships who. think and I know you guys were I was on. Jasinski show and we talked about your. conversation with her about this show. called Dowy and the effect on the. Cornell case. >> This is the same thing. It's like. encouraging women to just have a life of. constant instability, constant. promiscuity, no commitment of any kind. because all of it's oppressive. Like who. do you think that's going to lead to. anything? >> You know what? This made me think of. >> that this this made me think of Jordan.

Peterson who he always raises such good. questions when women talk like this like. what about you? What what did you do to. cause the marriage to be less than. satisfactory to where you're sitting. there wondering, can I do better? Maybe. you are the problem in the relationship. Why is it all about you and whether you. can do better? It's just so it it's. narcissistic. It's shortsighted. It. takes no responsibility for a woman's.

role in the partnership. And you do. wonder how these two idiots would be. reacting if it were two guys like. sitting on Joe Rogan being like when I. sit around and you know the guys the. husbands and we think can we do better. the answer is always yes leave her move. on yes you can always do better younger. one get the next younger and they're. younger bigger tits generally think it's. noble you know like I I I don't. understand what this it's not even a. philosophy it's just pure libertinism.

you know just pure instant gratification. wrapped up as some kind of. enlightenment. And I do I'm far from. more or less like as far as you get. But. I think this kind of thing is doing a. lot of damage. The like the centerpiece. of our our happiness is our families. And this is a very, you know, destroy. your own family the minute there's a. problem message to it. And if they if. anyone's going to be happy following. that message, I have not yet met them. >> I mean, as we've been saying, do do not. follow this podcast for anything. enriching in your life. you will be a. worse you'll be an unhappy dumber.

version of yourself. Glenn, a pleasure. Thank you so much for being with us. >> Always great to see you, Megan. Thanks. for having me. >> Love you, Podfather. To be continued. >> Bye. >> Um, all right. I'm just going to. continue it for a minute because I want. to tell you about this Sophia Bush. Um, this is just so arrogant. Can I get can. I should and I wonder uh should I I feel. like maybe I shouldn't leave this. marriage because can I get even better?

And the answer is always yes. And then. that bush agrees. The answer is always. yes. It's always yes. Leave. Leave your. marriage. Do it. If you're wondering if. you can do better, the answer is yes. Except what if it's not? Honestly, what. what if it's not? A lot of marriages go. through highs and lows. Um, who was it? Was it. Dr. Joyce Brothers who said something. like the the secret to staying married. for 70 years was we never fell out of. love at the same time. Something like. that. It was a very clever line. But all.

marriages have highs and lows and it. because you may have a moment of wonder. whether you could have gotten even. better does not mean you should leave. your marriage. What about your vows? What about your commitment? Like if you. if you're chronically unhappy or you. realize that you've made a terrible. mistake, that you're not compatible with. this person, that there's no way you. guys should reproduce together and so. on, that of course people get out of. marriages and I I I ended my first. marriage and managed to do so. gracefully. My h first husband and I are.

still friends. His life is wonderful. He. has a beautiful new family. Now, obviously, this is all 20 years ago, but. so I'm not trying to moralize on this. issue. People do leave marriages for. reasons other than, you know, abuse, etc. Um, but the willy-nillyness of. this, we did not end our first marriage. willy-nilly. There we had tons and tons. of talks over it. And I was in therapy, intensive therapy for more than a year. and so on. But my point is simply like. this is once again terrible messaging.

for young women that if you're sitting. around asking, "Can I get better?" The. answer is always yes. off. That's. generally not true. Honestly, and like. as a woman ages, you know, what do you. think? Like. even less few less options out there, fewer options out there for women to. select from. And this kind of advice. only endangers them. That's all it does. That's all that show does. So this. Sophia Bush, she's a charlatan, clearly.

She um got married to the second husband. there who the one that lasted 13 months. And um she decided she told Vogue that. when she got engaged to this guy, she. she said, "When I thought about that. spotlight that the engagement was going. to cause for her, my activist brain. turned on. Global attention is a hell of. a platform. And as someone who doesn't. love attention, but does love collective. activism, I knew that this could be an. incredible moment to spin the privilege.

of attention. So I looked at Grant and I. said, "Honey, I think we should get. married in Tulsa." he blinked. Oklahoma? He asked. Yep. Imagine what we could do. if we turned our wedding into an event. to showcase Tulsa, the cultural. renaissance happening there. Tech, philanthropy, civil rights, justice, the. art, the leadership. We could focus all. this attention and turn the spotlight on. them. And then during their actual. wedding weekend down there, guests were. they went on a walking tour of historic. Greenwood, the black neighborhood.

destroyed in 1921 that included talks. from community leaders, stops by a. blackowned business, and saw I mean, you. get the picture of who this woman is. Okay, so she hates attention. That's. what she told Vogue. I I do not love. attention. We just took a quick look at. her Instagram. Pictures of herself at. the Oscars, at the NAACP Awards, with. Malala, with Kla Harris. Oh, but turn. those cameras away. I hate drawing. attention to myself. Please look at her. in the with the booier. Here I am again.

Maybe with Malala you just highlight. Malala. No, no, back to me. Here I am. But she hates attention. Trust her. So. now she's very upset about all the. blowback that she has gotten for saying. agreeing with Alex Cooper that if you're. thinking can I get even better, the. answer is always yes. And then she went. on to say it's patriarchy to be thinking. otherwise. Patriarchy. Um, now she says, "The manosphere is big mad over. something one of their minions claims I.

said on this podcast, but their rage. bait quote isn't something I said, nor. did Alex." Yes, you did. Both of you. did. It's right there. Play the tape. You're really telling on yourselves and. how much you hate a woman with agency, y'all. You are allowed to outgrow your. life. if you are allowed to be unhappy. and make a change. You're allowed to get. what you thought you wanted and realize. you don't adjust accordingly. You're a. human being, not a checklist. And on and. on she goes. Okay. Like like her, you. could wind up with three marriages. And.

there's no question that the third one. will fail, too. Um by the time you're 44. and no children, by the way, only the. most recent female partner has children. who I guess are now her step. Um but she. has no kids. She has two failed. marriages. She's on the third. She's. switched genders and I guess is now. changed her sexuality and uh hates. attention except for all the pictures. she's posted of herself online and. really wants other girls to follow in. her footsteps. On behalf of the Mothers.

of America, may I tell you it's a no. A. hard no. Uh okay. And we end with this. Ellen DeGeneres, of course, she is very. nasty and she masqueraded as something. other than that for years on her talk. show. She was known as like the fun, lighthearted gay one, both gay in. attitude and in actual sexuality. And. you know, all she did was dance and make. people happy. And that was just Ellen.

Well, those of us in the biz knew that. Ellen was a raging who her staff. couldn't stand long before it broke into. the public. Um, I think I've told you. that I know somebody who has a a very. close relative who worked for Ellen who. said they were not allowed to look at. her in the hallways. It was a specific. edict she handed down that you were not. allowed to make eye contact with her. And honestly, like if you treat the all. the people around you like it will.

come back to haunt you. This is why I. have people who have been working for me. for literally 20 years. multiple people. who have been with me more than a. decade, more than 20 years. Because when. you treat people well and you show them. respect, even if you're a tough boss, they enjoy working at your place of. business, they trust you not to be a. complete who's going to pull the. rug out from under them if they make a. mistake or have a bad week, etc. And. Ellen Degenerous was exactly the. opposite. And as it's so often the case,

the ones who are over the top in their. fake niceness are always the biggest. So that's why Ellen now lives. in the Cotswalds with Meghan Markle. instead of in LA filming her talk show. It ended because she got outed as a. serial bully. and a former staff member. of hers named Johnny Hillbrandt. Partridge, who's the creator behind PE. Guy, another show, um gave an interview. on a podcast called the CEO series with.

William Salvi, uh earlier this month. And this clip is making the rounds. Watch this. >> Okay, so I did see that you worked at. the Ellen DeGeneres show. >> I sure did. >> How was that? >> That was I met a lot of great people. Did she? >> She was not. She's just was not nice. She was just. not pleasant. Like there was no like and. it was like this weird like you know. Devil Wars Prada like she's coming kind. of thing, >> right? >> She there if you saw a bodyguard walking.

towards you, you knew she was behind. him. The presentation to the world was. like, "Woo, we're having fun at the. office and we're scaring each other and. like and I was like this is going to be. fun. We should we're going to dance at. work and it was like no no no." Like I. started as an intern there in the summer. before the show started filming season. 10 and I was like I'm so excited to you. know like meet Ellen and the other. production assistants were like. >> no you're not. >> you will not like do not meet her and I. thought they were kidding. I was like oh. like they were like no no don't like. don't walk up to her don't so we never. interacted but I would walk past her all.

the time and I just describe it as she. would look through you. I kept saying to. my friends like this is Hollywood's. bestkept secret. So when it all started. coming out in the news that she wasn't. very pleasant, I was like, wonderful. Okay. And now bringing it all for full. full circle, who is she hanging out with. now? Megan Markle. Honestly, it's like. these these two nasty women found each. other and at least put out, you know, propaganda paparazzi photos to show you,

oh, I've got A-list friends. Guess what? Neither of you is an A-list person. anymore. Meghan Markle never was. Ellen. Degenerous was for a time. But I'll bet. she can't get people to take her calls. now because no one wants to be. associated with that. I mean, honestly, you're not allowed to look at her in the. hallways. Both because I was told it was. a specific instruction and also then. just like hiding in your own place of. business behind what multiple bodyguards. so that your staff can't speak to you, can't come up to you. So things ended.

there as one might predict. And look, she's still got more money than God and. still is pretty embittered from what we. hear, just like her pal Meghan Markle, who as of today has got much, much. bigger problems. Um, we will continue to. follow this saga and update you. If. there's something big over the weekend, we may update you on it, but we will. certainly have the latest of it on it on. Monday. In the meantime, I don't know. about you, but we are getting close to. Halloween. So, we've got quite a few.

spooky events planned for this weekend. I'm very excited by it. My biggest. project will be we are getting our big. pumpkin and we are going to start our. little candy corn puffer fish pumpkin. You know that we do every year that. Strudwick constantly attacks and eats. Remember when I had to pay $7,000 for an. endoscopy only to find out that the. blockage in his body was the wax lips. from our from our puffer fish pumpkin.

He's so naughty. Anyway, this is the. year that that's not going to happen. And uh would love to hear about your. favorite Halloween traditions. Send me. an email. It's Megan Kelly.com. and. maybe I will show you some of what we. have accomplished when we get back to. set on Monday. Lots of love to you all. We'll see you then. Have a great. weekend.