Tucker Carlson on Neocons vs. Trump's Iran Peace Deal, "Hate Speech" Censorship, & Shapiro and Levin

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show. Boy, do we have. a show for you today. Senator Lindsey. Graham's primary opponent is coming on. Can he defeat the longtime senator next. month? But we begin with the news. Axios. reporting yesterday that the US and Iran. are potentially closing in on a deal to. end the Iran war and the neocons are. most unhappy about it. Mark Levvin even. writing, "I have to believe the Axios. report is largely fake." Mark Tissson.

writing that Iran senses weakness and. does not think President Trump will bomb. them again. And Ben Shapiro making the. case that the best move the US can make. now is to bomb Iran's Car Island, the. country's primary oil export terminal. Joining me now on everything that's. happening fresh off of his big New York. Times sitdown uh with our friend Lulu is. Tucker Carlson. He is host of the Tucker. Carlson show available on YouTube and. all podcast platforms [music] and at.

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to the number 989898 to see if you. qualify for a firsttime gold buyer. rebate of up to $10,000. Great to see you. >> Hey, >> um you're shocked shocked by the neocon. reaction to the possibility of ending. this thing. I'm sure. >> I mean I hope the possibility of ending. it is real. I noticed that every time. Axios announces an imminent end to the. war, a lot of people make huge bets on. oil futures right before it comes out. and presumably make a lot of money on.

that. Um, and then it never happens. It's my hope that the United States gets. out as soon as possible. There will be. damage. There already is damage. A lot. of people have died. 12 countries have. been bombed. Many thousands have been. killed. Uh, the US economy has been. hurt. Lots of countries economies are. wounded by this. But I don't see a. future where it gets better by staying. in longer. And by the way, neither do. any of the people you just mentioned who. don't know anything about the region, who don't know anything in general other. than what they think Netanyahu wants.

But if you were to ask Shapiro or ask. Mark Tissson, whoever that is, or ask. Mark Levin, like how does this play out. exactly? Um, they don't have any clue. I. mean, there was a the IC, the American. intelligence community, reached the. assessment yesterday, and it was leaked. today to the Washington Post in a John. Hudson piece that Iran has three or four. months of. >> basically stability left in it. It's not.

going to there's no imminent collapse of. the Iranian regime. That's just not. true. The blockade is not toppling this. government. And so what do three or four. more months of a closed straight look. like for the rest of the world? Well, for Asia, for Africa, for Europe, for. North America, for the United States, it's a pure disaster. Do they have a response to that? Of. course not. They don't care. They. probably don't even know. Nothing. matters to the people you just mentioned.

other than the political fortunes of the. prime minister of Israel. By the way, it's not even good for Israel. How is. this good for Israel? In no sense is it. good for Israel? But BB wants it, so. they repeat it. And I just I really pray. that the US government, the. administration will stop listening to. these people. They're the same ones who. got us into the Iraq war. Trump used to. know that. I don't know how they went up. in charge again. Yeah. the um there's an article in the. free press, Barry Weiss's uh publication.

by Amit Seagull, who's the chief. political correspondent for Israel's. channel 12, arguing that gez, you know, the reports are that we're closer to a. deal than at any point during this war. and it's unfortunate timing writing that. if the status quo blockade remains the. Islamic Republic will not survive 2026. and saying that the but however this. entire strategy relies on that big if of. the blockade continuing. So if Israel. hopes to sustain the blockade through.

the end of 2026, Tucker, through the end. of 2026, Israel hoping, no, it's we are. the ones doing the blockade. There is. the unavoidable matter of the American. midterm elections to contend with and. trying to refocus the president, arguing. that Iran will be his legacy, pushing. Now, that's the first we've heard. someone openly say the blockade's got to. go on through the end of 26 post the. midterms. Tucker,

Israel could not sustain a blockade or. defend itself for 24 hours without the. $1.5 trillion. US military backstopping it and. enforcing the long-standing defense. guarantee that we have with Israel. If. that were to go away, Israel would have. two choices. that would either suffer. elimination or it would use nuclear. weapons. So that's where we'd be without. the United States government. backstopping Israel. Period. So anybody.

who tells you Israel is going to do. this, Israel is going to do that, Israel. has no capacity to defend itself. Period. And anyone who works at the. Pentagon who will speak to you honestly. off the record will explain it to you in. great detail. We wouldn't Israel would. have done none of this. It wouldn't have. a six or eight or 10 front war, whatever. kind of multi-headed war they're now. waging. None of that would have been. possible without the US military, US. service members being killed on their. behalf, US tax dollars paying for the. whole thing. So, there's that. But. there's this weird kind of tunnel. vision, and I do think it begins with.

Trump, where all that matters is Iran and. making sure they don't have nuclear. weapons and degrading them, toppling the. regime in Tyrron. It's like that's. something that you might want to do, I. guess, in a perfect world, but that's. like number 417 on your to-do list if. you're the American president. The. number one thing you have to do is make. sure your own country doesn't degrade. It's people don't become poor. Your OD. rate for young men doesn't rise as it is.

rising. There are jobs for your kids. You have. some kind of plan when AI eliminates. half of all white collar jobs in the. United States in the next 3 years. You. you need to think about your own. country. And so the idea that the. purpose of the US government is to. somehow keep the world safe from Iran is. insane. And so if you begin there, of. course, you wind up like Mark Tissson. and all you care about is Iran. There is.

a world that's pretty easy to imagine. where you would just live with a. sovereign Iran, which is a regional. power. It always has been for thousands. of years. It will remain a regional. power. Sorry. And that's just the world. that we're going to live with. It's not. the ideal world, but we don't get an. ideal world. We have a world in which we. create priorities. And the US government. has to put its own people at the top of. that list. And it's not. >> Mhm. Case in point, the argument over. whether we should continue to provide. the subsidies for Obamacare recipients.

that we just went through over the. latest closing of the government was. saying these people, I mean, through no. fault of their own. Barack Obama took. away their health care that they had and. they liked and their doctors and. replaced it with a government-run. program called Obamacare, right? And it. was so expensive and ridiculous the. government had to subsidize it so that. the people didn't realize how much more. it was costing them for the first 10. plus years. And now here we are with the. bill coming due, the subsidies going. away. And the argument by the Democrats. was we need like some $25 billion in.

subsidies in order to keep this going. The government said, "Are you crazy? We. can't afford that." Guess what? We just. spent a minimum uh on this Iran war. The. the price tag was$2 billion. Of course, it's much more than that, but that's. what the Pentagon's willing to admit. So, we've spent it on Iran, but we. wouldn't spend it on our own people to. save them the pain from this bill that. was shoved down their throats by Barack. Obama. >> And now we find out that though. President Trump said that we're going to. have this this ballroom built and it's.

going to be completely free. It's going. to be privately funded. No. It turns out. they slipped$und00. million into the budget. A billion. >> Um, not openly. Yes. Sorry. Okay. not. openly owning what that was going to. actually cost people. So, yes, the the. priorities are definitely not on the. pocketbooks of the American people and. they know it. But wait, I want to get. back to what the pressure that they're. putting on Trump not to enter into a. deal. And I agree with you. I have no. idea whether there's a 14-point deal or. not. None whatsoever. I don't trust a.

word President Trump says about this. anymore. He's told us 31 times that the. Iran war is over. Okay. Only to then. tweet about how we're going to bomb them. into oblivion. So, what we're seeing is, yes, I I mentioned um the free press and. of course Mark Leven. Now you've got. this Israel first uh think tank, the. Foundation for Defense of Democracies, out there actually saying that the Iran. war presents Trump with an opportunity. more transformative than the collapse of.

the Soviet Union, talking about how the. window for regime change remains open as. Iranians still await the call from the. president to take to the streets. Like. they they want every last thing. We want. regime change. We want to annihilate. what's left of the regime. And that. brings me to my next soundbite, which is. Hugh Hwitt hosting John Padoritz sat. too. >> Up until now, it was the Supreme Court. But if he actually crushes the Iranian.

nuclear threat, that's a world. historical. uh achievement. This deal is not that, is it, John? A deal is not that. Now, the problem here is that say it's July. 17th and Israel. bombs. a Hezbollah site and the Iranians say we. don't like this. So, uh, we're going to. close the straight for 48 hours. What are we going to do then? Yeah,

>> I mean it's always it will always be. conditional because Hormuz became the. the the card that they played. >> He kind of has to go for regime change. now. The regime that is standing cannot. remain standing because it has closed. the strait and it now has that as its. trump card if you will. So he's actually. deepened the necessity for a successful.

military conclusion to the war that has. a regime change effect. I that's not. where this was 6 weeks ago. I don't. think. >> your thoughts. >> It's just embarrassing. It's. embarrassing to see public intellectuals. in the country I was born in and love. reveal themselves as ignorant and dumb. You you can't administer a global empire. unless you understand the world. And. almost none of the people who are.

weighing in on we should do this, we. should do that have any understanding. even of geography. Iran controls the. straight of because it has the majority. of the coastline along it. It always. has. Again, it's geography. Iran is an. economic power first and foremost. because the commodities that flow. through that aperture at the at the. eastern end of the Persian Gulf are. necessary for the global economy. So. Iran is an economic power. We have spent. the last 40 years focusing on its.

various weapons programs including its. WMD program, its nuclear program. But. we've completely missed the fact that. Iran is not going anywhere. There will. always be Persians on the other side. They have problems with the Arabs on on. the on the GCC side. Like these are. long-standing conflicts, but they're not. going to change. So Iran has always had. control over the Strait of Hormuz by. definition. They've just decided not to.

invoke that that power. And that's not. going away. And so any kind of. settlement, if you were to nuke Iran, the remaining survivors would still have. the ability to block the straight of. Hormuz with mines or with boats. Somali pirates harass shipping off the. Horn of Africa. It's an asymmetrical. problem. So the best case scenario is. you have a coherent government in Iran. It probably is not going to be. pro-western, sorry. but that you can.

reach some terms with that government. sufficient to get shipping through that. straight so the world economy can. function as it did on February 27th. That's just a fact. That's not ever. changing. So I I don't understand people. like, well, you just just topple the. regime? What happens then? Do failed. states make for secure shipping lanes? Just the opposite. Only a coherent. state, whether you like that state or. not, can guarantee a shipping lane. So.

like the the dumbness on display just. boggles my mind. And the rest of the. world watching this is like really these. people are running the globe. Like. they're not they're not equal to the. task. >> They talk about this. They they really. talk about this like if they just kill. enough top Iranian leaders, they're. going to get to Jeb Bartlett. Jeb. Bartlett is sitting there waiting to run. Iran and that we like that's a guy we. can work with. And it's just what is the. evidence of that? How many members of. the Iranian Revolutionary Guard are we.

going to kill? There are tens of. thousands of them. Are we we're going to. get rid of all of them? Like, who. exactly is this imaginary leader who is. going to have the support of the Iranian. people and work with us to make Iran. this western democracy like province. that we can work with on everything. forever? That I don't know. I genuinely. don't know what they're thinking. I And. I. >> Okay, but I do actually. Here's the. difference. We have different goals. Okay. So from an American perspective, you want stability because you want. commerce to function because you don't.

want your country to be poor and you. don't want to lose your special. privilege of having the world's reserve. currency because that means your debt. comes due and your country collapses. So. that's the American perspective. So. economic shocks are the real threat to. us. Bigger than terror attacks, bigger. even than wars is the idea that we go. bankrupt and we can't make good in any. of our outstanding debts to our public. you can't keep the welfare state alive. and you have some kind of real turmoil. in our country. That's our goal. The. Israeli goal is not putting in a.

pro-western regime. They know that's. impossible. They're not stupid. The. Israeli goal is chaos. The Israeli goal. is to pull off in Iran what they pulled. off with our help in Syria and Lebanon. and Libya. And that's just have a. permanent civil war where their enemies. are fighting each other. Okay? And then. you have the refugee crisis, not in. Israel because they're never letting. anyone in Israel, but Europe will. continue to be destroyed. The United. States will bear the brunt of that. refugee crisis, etc., etc. So, the goal. from the perspective of John Poritz and. Ben Shapiro and Netanyahu and Mark.

Levvin and all the rest of them who are. speaking with one voice is Israel's. goal. And I'm not even attacking it. Like, that's their goal. I get it. They. have different national interests, but. it's bears no resemblance to ours. Zero. And no one will admit that. There's more. Um, I have a Ben Shapiro, but I'll get to him in one second. First, Hugh Hewitt, who I really like. It's sad to me to see him go this far. out there. Um, but it's fine. I I. disagree with him, but I still like him. Uh, here is here. Here's what he said.

with Noah Rothman, formerly of. Commentary, which is where Pedoritz is. now. Noah is with National Review. And. Hugh Hewitt uh is is an independent. radio host in S one. JD Vance told me on. this show when he was a senator or. running for vice president, I can't. remember, that nations have their own. interests and they have to follow their. own interests. We don't control Israel. Israel doesn't control us. At this. point, I think it's in Israel's interest. to act against Iran in a way that blows.

up this deal. What do you think? >> Well, yeah, I I tend to agree. So that's an American openly calling for. Israel to queer the deal that an. American president says he's about to. strike with Iran to end a war. Tucker, >> I mean the problem with propaganda is. people believe it, even smart people. And Americans have been told for 50. years that Israel is kind of fighting. its own battles in the Middle East and.

it's a scrappy little country surrounded. by enemies. And the truth bears no. resemblance to that at all. Israel is a. proxy state of the United States. Israel. has no meaningful military. Israel has 9. million people. Iran has almost 100. million. There are hundreds of millions. of enemies right around Israel. And the. only reason that country still exists is. because it has the backs stop of the US. military. Israel cannot act. independently. It doesn't have the. material. It doesn't have the planes. It. can't even drop some of the munitions.

that we have used on its behalf because. it doesn't have the planes. It doesn't. have the pilots to fly the planes. So. the Israeli military is not a meaningful. military. They can't act alone. And. people just don't seem to understand. this. They haven't taken the time to. just learn like what what exactly is the. IDF? Well, it's a reserve army in a tiny. country. It would be eaten in 20 minutes. by Iran and by a lot of other. increasingly hostile actors in the. region. So like this is all just. fantasy. It's just dumb.

Well, I mean, do you dispute that they. could queer the deal like they've been. trying to do in Lebanon during our Yeah. So, I mean that they are capable of. doing that, >> but only to the extent that we allow. them. So, the truth is, you know, there. are all kinds of levers of control that. are obvious having to do with money. There are probably some that are much. less obvious and possibly more sinister. and I I can't speak to those precisely, but there is some reason that this tiny. country has such profound control over.

our country, supposedly the dominant. country in the world. I don't exactly. know what that is, but at least. academically, it would be possible for a. US president to say, you know what, we've reached the end of our ability to. help you. This is actually. counterproductive to our interest. It's. hurting us. and good luck and get along. with your neighbors in the way that. every other country is forced to get. along with their neighbors. Every person. has to You may have super annoying. people living next door to you. You. can't just shoot them. You don't want. them to live there. There's nothing you. can do about it. There's literally. nothing you can do. You have to.

>> look at our evil top Canada. >> Well, thank you. We've had, you know, the threat from Mexico is so much more. profound than the threat from Iran. How. many Americans die every year as a. result of decisions made by the. government of Mexico? many thousands. And how many die because of Iran? Zero. Until we declared war on Iran. So like. these are the problems that you deal. with in this very flawed world that we. live in. You have to deal with hostile. neighbors and you have to come to terms. with them. Israel hasn't had to behave.

like a normal country because it has the. United States government basically. cleaning up every single mess and. allowing it to overextend dramatically. Israel is way overextended. like way you. can't fight this many wars even if. you're a large country with a massive. standing army. Israel's in major trouble. and no one can even conceptualize that. The people who hate Israel don't care. because they want it to be destroyed. The people who love Israel can't imagine. Israel being weak. But the the truth. provable in the numbers about Israel is. that it's in a very dangerous place.

right now. Super dangerous. And no one. sees that clearly. I'd be worried if I. lived in Israel right now. Remaining on the topic of the neocons. trying to push Trump not to settle this. deal to to instead go nuclear on Iran. and take it next level. I mean, no one's. openly calling for a nuclear bomb. That. was the figure of speech, but you and I. both know has called for that. Levin has. called for nuclear strikes on Iran. >> That's true. Okay, I stand corrected. Um, here's Ben Shapiro on Tuesday. Saut.

3. >> The easiest move for the United States. to make right now would be to just blow. up Kar Island. Car Island, you could do. an amphibious operation there. It's it's. a lot riskier. Or you could just blow it. up. And that means that Iran has no. refinery capacity. And that means their. economy is basically sunk for the. foreseeable future. We have a lot of. things that we can do. We could blow up. Kar Island. We could hit other energy. resources inside the country. We could. take down another layer of the IRGC. We'll probably have to do at some point. another kinetic action against missile.

facilities that have been uncovered over. the course of the last few weeks. But. anybody who believes at this point that. Iran is winning this war is missing the. boat. I mean, totally missing the boat. >> I mean, this is just an example of the. pressure that Trump is under from. Shapiro, Levvin, I'm sure, Lindsey. Graham, Mark Tissson, General Jack. Keane, Rupert Murdoch, and many, many. others to pedal to the metal. Do not. settle. Don't settle with a 14-point. deal. Don't settle at all. keep going.

militarily until there's nothing left of. the people who used to be in charge in. Iran or even the Iranian Revolutionary. Guard, which as I point out is tens of. thousands strong. >> You wonder where the pressure is coming. from. I mean, those are clearly the. spokesman for the coalition applying. pressure, but they're not in themselves. powerful figures. I mean, Mark Levin has. almost no viewers. Ben Shapiro is going. out of business. >> No one. You look at his videos on his. website, Tucker, on like his YouTube. channel. Each one has like 500 views.

>> Well, exactly. I mean, these are the. this is the outer fringe of the outer. fringe. Nobody watches this stuff. There's no audience for this. There's no. constituency for it. This is totally. divorced from the actual problems. Americans face. It's it's hurting our. country measurably. $6 gasoline is the. result of these policies. These are the. people who got us in the Iraq war. Like, nobody is for this. And these are not. major figures in American media. They're. tiny. I mean, your average porn video. has a thousand more views than any of.

these people get. So, they're a joke. I. don't think these are the people. applying the pressure. I do think this. is coming from donors. I think it's. coming from Miriam Madson and Paul. Singer and the people who are huge. players in Republican politics because. they fund it. They fund them a lot of. it. Maybe a plurality, possibly a. majority of it, all of it, not just at. the federal level, but also state level. are the ones funding the opposition to. Thomas Massie in a Republican primary in. Kentucky. $10 million. So these are. people who have a huge influence over.

American politics. And they're acting on. behalf of the government of Israel, not. on behalf of all Israelis, much less all. Jews in the world. Hardly. They want you. to believe that. It's a lie. Plenty of. Jews hate them for good reason. But. they're acting on behalf of the. Netanyahu government on behalf of. foreign power. And I do think that's. where the influence is coming. like Mark. Leavvin. Trump does not take Mark Levin. seriously. Nobody likes Mark Leavvin. Ben Shapiro. He I don't think he knows. Trump. He's always hated Trump. Trump.

doesn't like him. These people are just. irrelevant. They're a sideshow. Miriam. Medson is not irrelevant. Paul Singer is. not irrelevant. These are ser Paul you. give Trump $200 million and you get his. attention. >> That's exa ex nicely put. That's exactly. right. >> Um you mentioned Thomas Massie. I know. you had him on your show just the other. day and amazingly even though he is. incredibly popular in his home state. that campaign against him he revealed to. you is working. Trump's trying to.

primary him. He's been against the Trump. agenda on a couple of items. He usually. votes with the Trump agenda but he's. definitely been outspoken on Epstein uh. and on Israel to name two. And now these. outside groups like Marian Ad's money uh. have swooped in to help try to defeat. him. And it was news to me because I. hadn't been watching it that carefully. that it's working. Here's a sound bite. from his interview with you yesterday. S. 14. >> fullon blowouts in the Republican.

primary in your district in Kentucky. And now it's within a couple of points. and you could lose. Correct. >> And the difference is they have spent. $10 million against you. Where'd that. money come from? >> It's come from billionaires. And it 95%. of it, at least 95% has come from the. Israeli lobbies, the RJC, which is the. Republican Jewish Coalition, Apac, the. American Israel Public Affairs. Committee. Miriam Adlesen, Paul Singer, and John Pollson went together. They. funded a pack called MAGA Kentucky,

which is neither MAGA nor Kentucky. So, she's trying to buy a congressional seat. in Kentucky along with the rest of these. groups. There's also another interesting. faction called Christians United for. Israel. They're really just another wing. of Apac and RJC that's been used to. co-opt Christians into supporting their. position. And their position is more. war, it's more strife, um it's more. bombs, it's send more foreign aid. And.

those are the things that I've been. voting against. >> So is that it, Tucker? Is this just a. matter of money? She bought and paid for. Trump and now he's doing her bidding. >> Oh, there's there's no question about. it. It's literally that simple. I I. would say Thomas Massie is not an. opponent of the Trump agenda. Thomas. Massie is one of the very last. proponents of the Trump agenda, defenders of the Trump agenda, the the. agenda that Donald Trump ran on a year. and a half ago. That's what Thomas. Massie still believes. That's what he.

votes for. That would include. transparency, an end to corruption, no. more wars. Trump ran on these things. just the other day. I campaigned for. them. I remember very well. And so. Massie still believes those things. He's. never stopped believing them. The break. came when Massie described how Apac. controls members of Congress. And I. should just say Massie reminds me of you. in a way. He's never been against Israel. at all. Massie likes Israel. He's. certainly not against Jewish people. He. likes Jewish. I mean, there's nothing.

anti-Semitic or anti-Israel about Thomas. Massie. He just made the mistake of. describing out loud what it's like to. have a foreign lobby show up in your. office and demand that you vote a. certain way. And he said to them, as he. has to all lobbies, foreign and. domestic, I'm voting the way I think my. constituents want me to vote, consistent. with my principles, and I'm not playing. along. And because he said that, Trump's. donors decided we have to take this guy. out because if we don't, not that Massie. is going to like change the system. single-handedly. But if we don't take.

Massie out, if we don't punish him. publicly for telling the truth about. what we're doing, others may follow. So. as an example to the rest down the line, they have to crush Thomas Massie. And. then all of these all the goons, the. paid consultants in Republican politics, and all consultants are the same, Republican and Democrat. A lot of them. are vicious people and they're all only. about the money. This guy Lassua, who is the head consultant for Donald. Trump, rather than just work against.

Massie in the primary, he's taking money. from these three Israeli lobbyists. basically, Paulson, Singer, and Aden. He. starts attacking the guy personally. Calls him garbage. Garbage. Thomas. Massie is one of the most decent members. of the Congress. One of the most honest, sweetteered, kind, totally opposed to. hate Christian. Called him garbage. Then. they started attacking his wife, his new. wife. His wife passed away two years. ago. He got remarried. And the. consultants started attacking the guy's.

wife. And then the president attacks his. wife. It's like, why go scorched earth. on a man who's done nothing wrong other. than stay consistent to his own. principles, to the president's own. stated policies. He's doing the right. thing. He This is what democracy is. supposed to look like. A citizen. legislator who unbelievable how the. president has not only uh Massiey's. remarage after he lost his wife, but Joe. Kent's uh remarage four years later.

after his wife was killed. I mean, it's. insane. And killed by who? Donald Trump. Killed by Donald Trump's administration. >> Joe Kent's wife was killed. The mother. of his two sons was killed as a CI. officer in Syria by a suicide bomb. What. was she doing there? She was sent there. by the Trump administration to fight. another one of Israel's wars. So, it's a. decision that Donald Trump made that got. Joe Kent's wife killed. That's a fact. It's not interpretation. It's a fact. And now Trump is attacking the guy for. getting remarried after that wife is.

killed serving his administration. It's. it's almost too much. >> Four years later. >> Yes. >> No. I mean like not not to be to put too. fine a point on it, but Donald Trump. cheated on his wife Ivana Trump with. Mara Maples. It was extremely infamous. and all over the papers. How dare he. criticize these honorable men who lost. their wives for finding love years. later. It's truly gling. It's way below. the belt.

>> Um but okay, it's it's just one example. I mean that this is like the stuff that. all of us kind of overlooked on Trump. for many years because he was he's not a. particularly moral man. I think we've. known that. It's just right now he's. spiraling because he knows Tucker that. his numbers are spiraling down the. drain. He sees what we see. It's so bad. he can't even come out and attack the. polls as he normally would because it's. every poll. He's at the lowest approval. rating he's ever been at in the history.

of his two terms across the board on the. economy, on this war, on inflation, on. whether they trust him with white. workingclass voters, with men, with. young voters. I mean, of course, he's. already lost women and so on, but like. every single constituency, there is one. tiny constituency that still seems. proTrump, and that is the self-described. MAGA over 65 Fox News viewers. That's. it. Yep. And he knew this was going to. happen. I mean, Trump didn't want to.

start this war. He he was fully informed. about the consequences of it. I talked. to him about it. He had no enthusiasm. for it whatsoever. He just kept. repeating the world's dumbest talking. point. Do you want Iran to have nuclear. weapons? Well, no. I guess I don't care. that much. Pakistan has them. North. Korea has them. Israel has them. A lot. of lunatic countries have nuclear. weapons. I don't want more countries to. have nuclear weapons. I don't like. nuclear weapons. On the other hand, is. that a priority for me? No. It's a.

priority for Israel. But he that that. was his only line. Do you want Iran to. have nuclear weapons? No. Okay. But I. don't really care. And most Americans. don't really care. What they care about. is the condition of their own country. And Trump knew that. He ran on it three. times. He actually felt it. He knew that. he risked his presidency, his legacy, the country itself by starting a regime. change war with Iran. He knew that fact. and he did it anyway because he clearly. felt he had no choice. That is my read. from talking to him extensively on this.

topic before the war began. And so I. think it's incumbent on all of us to. figure out what exactly was the pressure. applied to Trump to make him do. something he knew was going to hurt him. and his party and his legacy and his. country. What what could possibly compel. a man to hurt himself? And I don't know the answer. I I well. I've heard you talk about that and the. suggestion you know by Joe Kent and. others might be somebody held something. over him somebody threatened him you. know did he believe the lives of his.

family or his own life might be in. jeopardy if he didn't do this thing. >> my own belief just you know having. watched Trump for many years now is it. was just hubris Tucker he he got drunk. on his own wine after the damn Venezuela. strike and then the June strike in Iran. and thought he was talked into you know. this sort of cowboy persona. You know, I. heard Jane Fonda talking about Ted. Turner because he died yesterday and how. what a badass the guy was and he won the. America Cup and he founded CNN. He had.

all these billions. He had swagger. He. had personality. That's how Trump wants. to see himself. And those two military. operations let him do it. He of course. dodged the Vietnam War. He never. actually served himself. And so now he's. commander-in-chief. He's seeing how in. impressive and amazing our military is. and they they truly are and they can do. heroic and amazing things and he's at. the top of the command and I truly. believe he thought I can do this. BB.

says they're going to be above ground. I. can take out the Ayatollah and his top. emissaries. It's four days. I'm in. I'm. out. I'm lauded as a hero. I'm gonna. have these people writing things like. it's the greatest thing since I you know. whatever the Russian revol the fall of. the Soviet Union and he bought it. because he is a narcissist. They all are. when they become president but Trump's. in a special league. And he bought it. because his ego needed him to buy it and. it's easy to win Trump over with that. kind of flattery and false praise. He. had tried it. Netanyahu had on Obama. He.

was just out confirming that the other. day and on many other presidents. He. just found the one who was really. susceptible to that kind of talk. That's. my own belief. >> I thought that, but I I pushed him hard. on this and I said, "Look, Netanyahu. hates you. You know that they don't like. each other at all. And he has contempt. for you. He's shown that he does not. have your best interest at heart. The. people pushing you toward this would. include Rupert Murdoch, who despises. you. Trump knows that, of course. Mark.

Tissson has always hated you. Ben. Shapiro, they hate you. Mark Levin hates. you. Has always hated you. >> Yes. >> The people pushing you to I said this. right to his face. The people pushing. you to do this want to destroy you. >> And they're doing it on behalf of Israel. whose goals include getting the United. States out of the Middle East. They. don't want the US in the Gulf because it. strengthens the Gulf. >> They don't like our friendships there. >> They don't like our friendships there at. all because Qatar and UAE and Saudi, but.

also Bahrain, Oman, and Kuwait. Those. mainly those three countries are a. massive rival to regional hegemony. You. can't run the Middle East with strong. Gulf states. And so they want the US. out. Israel wants the US out of the. Middle East and they want to degrade. those Gulf states. And I said that right. to his face and he said, "Yeah, I know.". So that that just that happened. Now. maybe he was lying to me. I don't know. why he would. He did not seem at all.

enthusiastic about this at all. He. seemed like he dreaded it and I think he. retreated into his happy place as all of. us do. Like maybe it'll be finals, roll. the dice, we'll kill the Ayatollah, the. whole thing will collapse. It'll just be. like the Maduro operation. I think he. allowed himself to think that. But he's. not stupid. He's very smart in his weird. way. He's it's weird, right? He's not. conventionally brilliant, but in his. specific way, well, you know him, >> he has a brilliance to him, obviously. He's gifted for sure. And he knew. exactly how bad this could be. And I.

think within like 24 hours he knew it. was bad and that's why he sent I believe. he sent Rubio out there to blame Israel. for it to say well we had to do it. because they were moving first and like. then they were going to be exposed and. our assets in the region would be. exposed like I think that was on purpose. I can't prove it but I believe it. >> because Trump was enraged at the. Israelis the second this happened and. the regime didn't fall he knew oh wow. how do you get out of it now he knew he. was shafted and I think he's known it. for two months.

>> now the main thing we're negotiating. over is the thing that we had prior to. launching this war, which is opening the. straight of Hormuz. That's so great. I. mean, terrific. There's really no. winning for us at this point. There's no. winning. >> Uh there's just getting out stemming the. the tide of losses and trying to save. face, but I don't even care about saving. face at this point, Tucker. Right. It's. just like just get out and let's let's. try to stop this from spiraling into a. nuclear war. Meanwhile, there is, you. know, I hate to be too, you know, big in. my rhetoric here, um, but there is sort.

of a parallel war happening domestically. in the battle over narratives around. this war. And the pro-Israel side is out. for blood. They are crazed right now in. their attacks on people like you, like. Candace Owens, like me as well. Now, anybody who is openly critical of Israel. or raising questions about Israel or not. pro this war, I mean that the you know. the number of hit pieces you're going to.

get, the number of like very nasty names. like I don't mean just like a no. nothing. I'm talking about Nazi which. Mark Leavin has been calling all of us. but especially you and Ben Shaper and. all of them. Okay, so that's happening. And in the midst of this, we get. yesterday. uh two congressmen. going on Jake Tapper's show. Uh. Representative Gothimer and Mike Lawler. of New York. Josh Gothimer is from New.

Jersey. Uh he's a Democrat. Lawler's a. Republican. And they introduced, this is. so gling, a bipartisan resolution. They. went on Tapper to discuss it. And I'll. show you what happened. a bipartisan. resolution condemning the rise of. anti-semitic hate-filled rhetoric. disseminated by prominent online. personalities, the two they name. specifically, but it's not limited to. them. just including Hassan he's. of the left and Candace and calling on.

social media platforms and public. leaders, so all the social media. platforms and government leaders to take. stronger action quote against hate. This. is an obvious push to censor opinions. about Israel. That's what this is. Okay. And they go through saying and Tapper. mentioned you as well, but uh they they. say that they're dangerous. Their their. rheto rhetoric and their conspiracy. theories, I'm reading from the. resolution for the actual text of it,

are dangerous and contribute to a. climate of hatred and intolerance. Individuals with online platforms have a. responsibility. to refrain from promoting or amplifying. anti-semitic narratives and. disinformation. Now, this is our. government telling all of us who are in. the digital space, it's we have a. responsibility to refrain from hate. speech. No, we don't. No, we don't. Actually, we can engage in as much hate. speech as we want. That's America.

That's the beauty of being an American. You don't like it? There's this imag a. wonderful imaginary thing that you. apparently don't know about called the. dial. And if you if you press the dial, you can go right down the lane to listen. to Rachel Matto or Cara Swisser or. somebody who's saying what you like. Uh. here they write, "Social media and. streaming platforms should take. appropriate steps to enforce their. policies against hate speech and prevent. the spread of anti-semitic content. public officials and community leaders.

should unequivocally condemn. anti-semitism, including when it's. propagated by high-profile media figures. and influencers. And they go on from there. So now these. two now sounds all pie in the sky, right? Like we we're we're against hate. Hate hate against racial groups, hate. against religious groups. Okay, in. theory, yes, people don't like that. This is the government calling on social. media platforms and other government. officials to quote condemn hate and stop. the hate. What does that mean? That.

means censorship. That's directly. antithetical to the First Amendment. So, they go on with Jake Taber, and I just. want you to know, I know you don't watch TV, but they. recently had the White House. correspondents dinner, and Jake Tapper. and others like uh Margaret Brennan of. CNN were wearing these little virtue. signaling pocket squares or arm. bandages, band-aids, whatever they were. She's from CBS, Margaret Brennan. >> [snorts]. >> um saying. the Congress shall make no law abridging.

the freedom of the press, the freedom of. speech, like they're little first. amendment advocates, Tucker, just. reminding everybody they don't want. government interference. Okay, this is. great. It's on. These two guys have this. insane resolution which is basically. calling for censorship against anybody. with criticisms of Israel. And they go. on with the free speech advocate. himself. He's so important. Put it in a. pocket square, Tucker. [laughter] Okay. And this is how that went. Uh I don't. have it in front of me, but my my team. knows what I'm looking for. Is this top. five? Let's hear it.

>> We have seen a rise of anti-semitism, especially on social media. uh and a lot. of it uh at the voice of uh people like. Hassan uh and Candace Owens and. Tucker Carlson uh among others who are. promoting anti-semitic hate speech uh. who continually seem to uh engage in. long-standing anti-semitic tropes uh and. we are pushing back against it.

>> First Amendment says Congress shall make. no law establishing the freedom of. speech or of the press. Um, what do you. say to somebody who wonders, are you not. risking running a foul of that? >> Son Candace Owens, this is hate. speech intended to incite violence. And. our resolution is really focused on. we've got to take the temperature down. This kind of hate speak speech is. unacceptable. people like Hassan. and Candace Owens shouldn't be out there. uh campaigning with uh elected officials. or and and being used and propped up as.

heroes when you have, you know, saying things like Jews are bloodthirsty. pig dogs and inbred and saying that 9/11. America deserve 911. >> Your thoughts on that? >> It's just amazing to see Jake Tapper. abetting something like this, encouraging. I remember when he was a. lobbyist for Hooters thinking about. becoming a journalist. He was literally. a lobbyist for Hooters. [laughter] I I. knew him well at the time. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Uh yeah, he was going and.

traveling around America with the. Hooters girls promoting Hooters. Um. >> I mean I like I think I'm going to go. into journalism. Uh and you know he did. and [laughter]. unfortunately. didn't do as well as he'd hoped to do, but I still thought he was like a. journalist. Um, and there he is. saying things like, "Well, do you think. passing a law trying to get people. scrubbed from the internet might be. brushing up against the limits of the. First Amendment?" What? It's completely. in contravention the First Amendment.

It's the most obvious violation of the. First Amendment. And he knows that, but. he doesn't care because he, like the two. guys on the set, cares more about the. fortunes of the Netanyahu government. He's an agent for a foreign country in. this specific case and has been for a. long time, obviously. But what's so interesting and. mindbending is that those three are. accusing other people of hate speech. Those three have spent the last almost 3. years making excuses for ethnic. cleansing. The murder of children, the.

killing of people because they have. impure blood. the killing of. Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, the murder of civilians in Lebanon, now. the killing of civilians in Iran, all. because of the way they were born. These. are people who are daily encouraging. violence. Now, I can't speak for the. other two they're attacking. I'll just. speak for myself. I'm totally opposed to. violence. I'm a Christian. I believe in. the Sermon on the Mount. I think it's. wrong to kill people, and I think it's. totally unacceptable to kill people who.

did nothing wrong, to kill innocents. That is a red line that you cannot. cross. And I I sincerely believe that. So I'll just again I'm not being. defensive. I'm just noting what is I I. say every single day. I am opposed to. violence against innocents. It's the. main thing I oppose. It's why I oppose. Jake Tapper and that Lawler that Schill. for Israel Lawler guy and the Gottheimr. from New Jersey. It's not that I dislike. them personally. I feel sorry for all. three of them. It's that I don't agree.

with their program of hate and violence. And it's just so interesting that they. whip it around and be like, "No, no, no. Anyone who criticizes ethnic cleansing. in Gaza is guilty of hate and ebedding. violence." It's like, come on. I'm not. falling for that. It'll work. By the. way, they're absolutely going to censor. the internet. Of course, at the urging. of the Israeli government using our tax. dollars, there's no doubt that people. are going to be. >> I mean, I really hope that the social. media companies have learned their. lesson because remember they were. censoring all talk about, you know, the.

trans issue. Uh for years they were. censoring. You couldn't say that it's a. sickness. It's a you're unwell if you. have this gender confusion. You couldn't. say that a man cannot become a woman. Uh. YouTube was censoring as well. And it. took years for us to get them to the. point where you can you you can call. Leah Thomas a he because that's what he. is years but they got there and they. eventually got came around on co too. So. like this cannot become the new one. where this powerful lobby comes and.

holds this cudgel over the you know. heads of the social media companies. saying that's the new hate speech. like. this whole thing about hate speech is. very dangerous because I I was also told. for years you can criticize Israel you. can criticize Israel and not be called. an anti-semite you know that's different. from Jews which is the latter part is. true to your point earlier there are a. lot of Jews who don't like Netanyahu I. know from our mutual friend Melissa. Francis who's been over to Israel a lot. that there's there's some very. controversial opinions about some of.

these figures like Ben Shapiro and Mark. Levvin they are not universally beloved. over there no. >> because they're so divisive Ive and. there are a lot of Israelis who are like. just stop you're not helpful not to. mention American Jews but that. pro-Israel first crowd does conflate the. two and that's what this resolution is. conflating the two that if you say. hateful things about Israel or this war. these guys want to censor you and it's. hard to imagine that happening right now.

but the second there's a domestic terror. attack and I I'm very concerned that. there will be in which innocents are. murderers murdered, whether it's a real. one or a false flag. Those are common. Not all terror attacks are false flags. Some are. We know that. Uh but how. whatever the cause, whoever the. perpetrator, innocence, if they are. murdered in the United States, will be. used as a pretext, an excuse for. shutting down criticism of the people in. charge. That's always the way it works. in every authoritarian regime. Well, in.

every regime. That's that's why it's the. first amendment because the framers. understood human nature very well and. they knew that people with power will. always want to stop criticism of. themselves. And let's be super clear, American policy toward Israel, it's. American tax dollars that allow the. ethnic cleansing going on in Israel's. neighbors. That's the result of votes. taken in the US Congress, which is not. majority Jewish. It's not it's not just. about the Jews. It's about everybody in. charge has been forquare.

be behind this stuff has been backing it. has been allowing it to happen in some. cases in the case of Mike Huckabe for. example has been enthusiastically. cheering it on so it's again it's not. about criticizing Jews or anti-semitism. it's about criticizing the policies of. the United States government which are. deeply held by our leaders and they. don't want criticism of that at all and. they will do everything they can to shut. down that criticism. You watch.

>> I mean, we've spent the first hour. criticizing a president we both. campaigned for. We can criticize our. leaders. We are we are free to criticize. whatever political leader we want. domestically or foreign. I mean, this is. like the notion that, oh, that's a. bridge too far when you take it over to. Israel. It's just absurd. It's so. antithetical to being an American. I. think I have time to get that second. soundbite in from this representative. Lawler and I'm going to try for it. Top. seven. >> Well, Congressman Lawler, what do you.

say to somebody who might say, "Look, it's very easy to take on Candace Owens. It's very easy to take on Hassan. but what about the politicians who. campaigned with them or the politicians. who well, Tucker Carlson spoke at the. Republican National Convention in 2024?". that by going after these individuals. and not the folks who enable them, the. people who join them uh on the campaign. trail or such, uh you're doing something. easier than than uh what would need to. be done. >> First of all, these folks uh are.

grifters and they ferment this hate to. make money. I've called out people in my. own party like Marjorie Taylor Green, one of the dumbest people to ever serve. in Congress, who talked about Jewish. space lasers, uh, and continues to. engage in anti-semitic tropes. Uh, the. fact is in both parties, we need to call. out this extremism. We need to demand. better of our elected officials uh, and. really hold these individuals that fment. hate to account.

>> [snorts]. >> So there's the push to punish the. politicians who associate of course with. the Israel critics. >> Marjorie Taylor Green never never said a. word about Jewish space lasers. That's a. lie. But what's so funny is their. grifters says the guy Mike Lawler who's. taking all this money from a foreign. lobby, an unregistered foreign lobby. I. mean it's all just inversion as it. always is. I would just say censorship. is coming and it's coming because the. people in charge failed. their failures. are really obvious and it's too painful.

for them to be reminded of that. So, they will use whatever pretext they need. to shut down that criticism, but I don't. think it's going to work long term. >> Yes, I hope you're right. All right, we. have much more to discuss. We're going. to take a quick break. We are [music]. back on the opposite side of this with. more Tucker Carlson. Don't go away. Hey, thanks for watching today's full. episode. If you're new here, throw us a. subscribe. See what you think. Stay in. touch. There's plenty more goodness. where this one came from. As always, we. really do value your feedback. So, email.

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voting for Trump. You regretted. recommending him to the American public. in the wake of this war. And I was asked. about it recently and I was explaining. to somebody that that didn't surprise me. at all because I've been watching you. for years and for years you've been very. very concerned about war and other. countries dragging us into war having. nothing to do with Israel. Nothing. whatsoever to do with Israel. I mean. I've watched you talk to foreign leaders. about like what how's that in our. interest? You you've been very guarding. when it comes to the United States.

against getting sucked into these. things. So, I wasn't surprised at all to. see when it's became clear Israel is. going to get us into this thing, you. were against it and then were. disappointed in Trump. My own position. has been I I too am against the war, but. the main things I voted for Trump for. weren't the wasn't about the war. It was. I wanted him to push back on the trans. insanity. You know, I'm a mother of. three young kids and I wanted him to. close the border. And he did. He did. those two things. So, I'm I still would.

describe myself as a supporter. You. know, I'm I feel betrayed by Trump. I. think, you know, what he's done, he's. been pretty grifty in the office. He um. has not lived up to the promise on the. Middle East wars, and that's a huge one. that's going to cost us who knows how. much down the line. I too worry a lot. about domestic terror attacks and. response and a possible nuclear spiral. in the Middle East. But what do you say. to people who say, "Well, what's the. alternative?" you know, like you didn't. want Kla Harris to win, right? Neither.

of us could have stood for that. So, like had if you had it to do over again, what would you have done? >> Well, I I don't know that I feel bad. about voting for Trump. I I would never. vote for Klair. First of all, I'm never. going to vote I'm opposed to abortion, and that's just a bottom line issue for. me. Like, I'm never going to change. that. I really mean it. It It's the kind. of the top of my list of things I care. about. So, I'm never going to vote for a. proabortion candidate ever. I would. never vote for Kla Harrison. She was an.

idiot, obviously. Um, so I don't I don't. really feel bad about choosing Trump in. that binary. What I feel bad about is. getting up and saying, "No, you know, vote for Trump, no more wars." And that. just turned out not to be true. >> And and by the way, I'm not a Trump. hater. I've noticed my whole I've known. Trump for 25 years, and I've noticed in. the last 10 years that people who. organize their lives around Trump, pro. or con, don't tend to thrive. They tend. to become irrational. If you hate Trump. too much, if you love Trump too much, it's not good for you. He's a man. He's. got good qualities, he's got weaknesses.

I'm happy to describe his good. qualities. He's got a million good. qualities. So, but I've just never put. Trump at the center of my life either. way. And I would not recommend doing. that. Uh again, positive or negative. It's not good to obsess over another. person unless you happen to be married. to the person, unless it's that. obsession is love. I just think it's. unhealthy, super unhealthy, to treat our. leaders like gods or devils. They're. not. They're just people. I'm just mad. that he betrayed the country on this.

war. And I do think I have a million. concerns and the trans question is. definitely one of them for sure and. immigration too for sure. However, war, when you read the history of nations, civilizations, rise and fall is. determined primarily by war. Nothing. changes a civilization more quickly, more profoundly, more permanently than. war. And so I that's just my read on. history and the nature of life. And so. you got to pay attention to the wars. And because we have an all volunteer.

force and it's kind of a cast like. people who fight our wars are usually. the children of people who fought our. wars. Like it's a specific. >> kind of world that fights our wars. And. that means and they're great at it. Of. course, there are upsides to that, but. it means that most of us are so detached. from the cost of war that it's very easy. to support them because you don't have a. good sense of the downside. And there's. also something about getting older that. tends to make some people bloodthirsty. I don't know why that is, but you know, the Rupert Murdochs and the Lindsey. Grahams, it's like people over 70, I.

hate to say this, tend to be pretty. cavalier about killing. Maybe because. they're not exposed or they don't love. their grandchildren or they don't care. about their country or they're on their. way out. I don't know what it is, dementia. But there is almost a onetoone. connection between age. >> and a willingness to commit other. people's children to war. You see this, you see it in the poll. I mean, I I I. have a son who's almost 17. So, yeah, I'm in a different place. Much different. place. >> That's right. >> And a lot of my audience feels the same.

Like, their moms who may have been more. pro-war, post post 911, it was one. thing, but we are not living in a post. 911 world in the way we were back in. 2002, 2003 and 4 when we were launching. these retaliatory, well, the retaliatory. war in Afghanistan and then the, you. know, unnecessary war in Iraq. We're not. we're in a different place. We have to. be honest about the the cost of those. wars. the lies that we were told by our. government and so on. But what happens. to Trump now, right? Because with these.

with these terrible approval numbers, with the midterms all but lost already. to the Republicans, he basically becomes. a lame duck after those midterms one way. or another because the 2028 presidential. election gets into full swing after. midterms and all the focus goes on the. new person, not on the one who's holding. the office. And especially if he's got a. Democrat-crolled House, god forbid, a. Democratc controlled Senate, too. He's there's nothing there's no. legislation that's going to get through. Not that any did his first year. You.

know, we had one piece of big. legislation. Well, two. We had the taxes. uh extended and tax cuts and we had the. Lake and Riley Act. But in any event, so. what happens to Trump now? >> You know, on inauguration day, I got up. really early and I went to church with. Trump and Charlie Kirk. I sat with. Charlie Kirky right behind Trump in. church and I had a whole and I said my. prayers and I had a lot of thoughts. about what this new world was going to. look like. Um and all of them were. wrong. So [laughter] it's so important.

to remember that that we're just not. good at predicting the future. You know, we imagine like this is going to happen. in November in the midterms. Maybe, maybe not. Like we don't really know. I. do believe it's clear that volatility is. coming for sure and there's going to be. a lot of change and I doesn't mean. everyone's going to get hurt. Some. people will thrive in the middle of it. Bill Aman will be just fine. He'll be. richer than ever. We know that. But a. lot of us will be fine too, but some. people are going to get hurt. I just I. just feel that really strongly and I. feel really sad about it and I just hope.

that we can keep our heads one way or. the other and just remember that Trump. turns 80 next month, you know, and I. hope he has a great birthday. I don't. wish Trump ill. I never will wish Trump. ill. always have a gut level affection. for Trump. That will never change. However, he will be gone relatively soon. and we'll still have this country and. after 10 years of thinking and talking. about him all day every day. I just. wonder if we're prepared for what that's. going to look like. I don't think things. are going well. I think they could be a. lot worse. I think there I can think. imagine other leaders who are both.

malicious and competent. Trump is. incompetent. So that's a good thing in. some ways. I mean, Gavin Newsome is not incompetent. and he's far more malicious than Trump. I think he's far less transparent than. Trump. Like, I don't know. We just need. to keep our wits about us and not. pingpong from one bad idea to another. bad idea. There is a kind of sensible. way forward where we minimize the. losses, where we strengthen the country. to the extent we can, where we find. something that every American has in.

common with every other American. That. would be a good start. I don't know. I I. think we can manage this if we stay. calm. And just because this version of. capitalism is clearly fake and the. markets are clearly being manipulated. and you know a lot of what we think is. real is not real doesn't mean that we. need the state to run the economy for. example. Just because this war is insane. and counterproductive doesn't mean we. need to disband the military. I mean. like there's a way to think about this. that's measured and thoughtful and not.

just reactionary. And I hope that we do. >> The um those trades that you made. reference to are now the subject of an. uh DOJ. >> and um commodities future trading. commission investigation. Just for the. listening audience, we've been talking. about this a little on the show. >> They're probing the $2.6 billion dollar. in oil trades related to the Iran war. >> ABC News obtaining the data that they're. looking into from the London Stock. Exchange Group. Uh they include on March.

23rd, 15 minutes before Trump announced. he would delay the threatened attacks on. Iran's power grid, traders bet more than. 500 million the oil prices would fall. On April 7th, hours ahead of a temporary. ceasefire announced by Trump, traders. bet 960 million that oil prices would. fall. On April [snorts] 17th, 20 minutes. before Iran's foreign minister announced. that the Straight of Hormuz was open, traders bet 760 million that oil prices. would fall. On April 21st, 15 minutes. before Trump announced that he would.

extend the ceasefire, traders placed a. series of bets worth 430 million that. oil prices would fall. Thank God they're. investigating this, Tucker. Thank God. I. I actually wondered and worried. [laughter]. >> about whether they would ignore it. >> I maybe I'm too cynical. You mentioned. 9/11. In the days before 9/11, someone with. fornowledge of the 9/11 attacks bet big. shorts against the airlines and the. banks involved in those attacks. And the FBI investigated it solemnly. We.

got to find out who knew 9/11 was. coming. They found out who did it. And. they've never to this day released the. identities of the person or people who. made those bets. >> So I, you know, and we have a right to. know. We have a right to all 9/11 files. declassified. No one is even trying to. do that. No one will ever do that. And. you have to ask, well, why is that? Why. can't we know? I don't know the answer. But, um, we can't even know that. So, I'm not I'm not too hopeful that we will. find out who did this and that anyone. will ever be punished. I will say if you.

look at the commodities numbers, >> for example, oil, Brent crude 100 bucks. really, the straight of Hormuz has been. closed for two months and oil is at a. hundred bucks a barrel. It was at what. 180 or something like that during the. financial crisis in 2008. Like this. doesn't make any sense. Gold, you see. the US dollar is clearly in retreat. Clearly they're settling, they're. settling oil in Luan in Chinese currency. like and gold is at 4,700 an ounce. It's.

not rising. And you have to ask like. what are the forces that are moving. markets? Are they natural forces? Are. these the markets that we were told they. were? supply and demand being the two. forces that control a market or are. there other forces? Clearly, international markets, equities markets, commodities markets are not what we. thought they were and hopefully they. will be at some point. But like one of. the things I've learned in the last two. months is that wa this is there's some. rigging going on here and it's very.

distressing and um it's just it doesn't. make any sense. It does not make sense. If you think supply and demand drive. marketing, >> it's beyond my understanding. I'm just. saying the fundamentals should be. reflected in the price of these. commodities and they're not. >> fair point, >> right? So, it's bizarre. >> Um, on the subject of the economy, an. American company is struggling mightily. It's called the Daily Wire, >> and they've reportedly laid off as many.

as 50 or 60% of their staff. They deny. that. Uh they say those numbers are. overstated. >> Mhm. >> But they've definitely had massive. layoffs over at the Daily Wire. Why do. you think that is? >> I knew an old political consultant once. 30 years ago. I was covering a campaign. and he said, you know, propaganda works, advertising works, but ultimately. reality makes the difference. You can. spend a billion dollars advertising a. dog food, but if the dogs won't eat it, it's just not going to sell. And I just. don't think the dogs are going to eat. this dog food. I mean, this there's. there's more supply than there is demand.

in this case. There's an awful lot of. Daily Wire and not a lot of people want. to consume it. Who is the constituency. for more wars? Hey Americans, shut up. and stop complaining. Get back to work. Retirement, as Ben Shapiro famously. explained, retirement is immoral. You. should be working for him and his. family, I guess. I don't know. But the. contempt, the pure contempt that Shapiro. and not all the people who work at Daily. Wire, but some of them have shown for. their audience like is not a long-term.

play. it doesn't work after a while. If. you hate your audience, if you hate your. voters, in the end, you're going to be. rewarded with failure. And that's not. surprisingly what they're getting. And. I'm not, you know, I don't I don't. rejoice over anybody's failure, including Ben Shapiro's. I don't hate. Ben Shapiro. I don't even don't even. care enough to dislike Ben Shapiro. But. I'm just I just will say I'm not. surprised at all. He should go do. something else useful. Mhm. He um a few. years ago was on Beler bragging about. his bed made of money that he sleeps on.

every [laughter] night. You can look it. up. It's all over the internet. It was a. shocking thing to say and it's you don't. say things like that, right? Because. it's like that then when something like. this happens, it feels like karma. And. he also, of course, famously or. infamously, depending on your POV, tried. to kick you out of the conservative. movement. Tried to kick Steve Bannon. out. Uh threw me in there for good. mention in December. And I do think. regardless of one's feelings on the. three of us, uh I don't think. conservatives are into that kind of.

policing. It's pretty antithetical to. what makes one a conservative, which is. like hands off to each his own. We have. our points of view. We may fight and. disagree, but we don't excommunicate. over here on team rational. >> No. And also money worship is bad. I. just want to say it. I'm not a I'm. hardly a socialist. I don't I hate. socialism, but like money for its own. sake, accumulating money just so you. have more money, which is very much. Ben's worldview, is disgusting. Like. that's not when is that since when is. that virtuous? It's not. It's.

anti-Christian for one thing. It's very. clear. Jesus is not for communism. That's not the point I'm making. Sorry. But money for its own sake is a dead. end. It actually doesn't make you happy. Debt makes you miserable. Poverty hurts. But accumulating money, bragging about. how much money you have, measuring your. value by money, these are contemptable. things. And all we've lost the ability. to say that on the right because people. whip around, they're like, "Oh, you are.

you a Kaziocortez now?" Or it's like, it's so stupid. No, I'm not a. Kaziocortez, whoever that is, that. absurd person. No, but we do not worship. money because that's low and disgusting. In fact, our Bible calls it evil, the. root of evil. And we should just say. that it's just true. It's like. accumulating money for its own sake is. ugly. That was always Ben's belie. >> and yeah. >> is the same man is accusing you and me. for that matter of chasing clicks.

[laughter]. >> for the for opposing the Iran war. And. yesterday there was a sound bite of me. on with Mark Halprin on his show talking. about how I my understanding is that. you've had an influx of young viewers. and some Muslims now uh that are taking. another look at the Tucker Carlson show. because you've you've been somewhat. defensive of Islam just just the blatant. attacks on it as a religion. And I also. said something that you and I talked.

about months ago, which was as I now see. what Israel does to you, I mean truly. like its emissaries for sure have. unleashed a vicious campaign against. yours truly on social media and. elsewhere. It's it's fine. I mean, we're. handling it. But. >> as I now see what they do, it does cause. me to re-evaluate what other propaganda. has been out there that I've fallen for. that's coming from a foreign government. You know, you and I discussed this. >> So, I'm going to show you the sound bite. and then I'll tell you what they're. saying about it. Watch. like he's gotten. very very popular lately, I read, with.

Muslim viewers, because he's been. standing up for Islam, you know, and I. have to tell you, Mark, it's been. something I've noticed just since I've. gotten sort of more cleareyed on Israel. that a lot of the anti-Muslim. rhetoric that's put out there originates. with people who are very, very. pro-Israel who kind of need us to. demonize them. And I've taken a look. recently at my own rhetoric on this to. say like, "Have I been manipulated? I. want to make sure I'm not getting. manipulated." But I think uh he's having.

a lot of Muslim viewers flock to him. I. know for a fact he has a lot of young. men flocking to him. >> [snorts]. >> And so while he may have lost some. contingent of the Fox News audience. that's very very pro-Israel and um you. know pro Trump and you can't say. anything about Trump for every one of. those who leaves there is another newer. younger audience member who does want to. hear these traditional lines challenged. and hear just new independent thinking. I mean I I'm experiencing some of that. myself and Tucker probably times 10.

>> Okay. So what happened interestingly in. response to that clip online yesterday. was a torrent of demands by the Israel. firsters and some regular conservatives. I mean demanding. that I in their view return to Muslim. hate that any deviation off of Muslims. are bad universally bad is not. acceptable and makes you of the left was.

the accusation. Um, and you know, you're. just out there for clicks. It's like. nothing I've done is for clicks. If. anything, my stance on the Iran war and. Trump attacking me hasn't been. particularly helpful, but it's. [laughter] sincere. And, you know, you. got to be honest about who you are and. where you stand. >> Y. >> and I have been blown away by how openly. the Israel First crowd is demanding that. I and others hate Muslims or else or or. what? we're we're gonna be called empty.

vessels and we're gonna be like shamed. for having said things that are. questioning about Islam. >> I'm not real pro on like Islamic leaders. in America. I still stand by that. But I. am re-evaluating some of the things that. I swallowed hookline and sinker Tucker. because I now see we've all been. manipulated. You have no idea how. ubiquitous and powerful Apac Israel, its. lobby, its paid agents. I mentioned Brad. Parcal the other day who's registered as. a foreign agent for Israel now and runs.

Salem Media Group. I mean there are a. lot of those folks in our nation pushing. propaganda on us and I frankly think. I've been too trusting. >> Well, this was one of of the concerns. about immigration 100 years ago that. people would come to this country and. import with them their own ancient blood. feuds and then impose them on the rest. of us. And you know, I'm American and I. I don't I don't have to sign on to your. blood feud. You know, if you're Armenian. and you demand I hate all Turks. No, I'm. not doing that. I mean, you may hate.

Turks. You may have good reason to hate. Turks, whatever. But I don't hate Turks. I'm I kind of reserve the right to form. my own bigotries. And one of the reasons. that [laughter] I try to retreat from. the world regularly um in the woods or. the sauna or whatever is just to kind of. get is just to sort of come to center to. what I believe. I'm a Christian, which. is an exclusive claim. Okay. So I. believe Jesus is the son of God. I. believe you get to God through Jesus. That's exclusively through Jesus. So I'm. not a Muslim. I'm not a Jew. I'm not a. Hindu. I'm not a Sufi. I'm a Christian.

On the other hand, I just like reverent. people. And anyone who bows down before. God and admits I'm not God five times a. day doesn't share my theology. We don't. have the same view of how you get to. heaven. But that person is not by. definition my enemy. People who I have a. problem with are those who espouse. violence and hatred, who lie, who think. it's okay to lie. People with a point of. view that is not universal. The. Christian worldview and by the way, also. the Muslim worldview is a universal.

worldview. Anybody can come to this. faith. That's my worldview. That's I was. born into it. I believe it. It's. sincere. And so anyone else who has that. worldview, I'm willing to be friends. with. I'm not going to hate you because. your parents did something that somebody. else subjects to. I'm just not playing. along with that. And I knew that I would. be attacked as like a Muslim lover or. whatever. I I don't know. I'm not a. Muslim lover. I'm a people lover until. proven otherwise. And I'm just not going.

to play along at all with that kind of. stuff. And at this stage of my life, I. just don't care because it's not about. the money for me. Honestly, I've never. taken a dollar from a Muslim or anyone. else. I have no debt. I have no. investors. and I don't seek to be a. billionaire. That's why I'm not in. crypto. So, at this point, it's like, what are you gonna do about it? Call me. a Muslim lover. Okay. Okay. [laughter]. Go ahead. I mean, so what? >> Yeah. No, same. It's like I don't if. anybody who thinks I'm opposing Trump.

for clicks hasn't followed [laughter]. the history of our relationship. >> I know. And by the way, I don't think. it's our ups and downs. >> Hasn't made your life easier. That's for. sure. >> Definitely not. But it's like I also. can't wake up in the morning and look my. audience, you know, in the figurative. eye and lie about how I feel on. something this big, you know, on. anything. Why would I? Like you, I I'm. fine independent, you know, as an. independent, I'm fine financially, and I. I don't need to do it. And so people. will like it or they won't like it. I.

think most of the audience, even if they. disagree, will forgive it. You know, it's like we talk about a lot of things. on this show. That's not even the main. thrust of of this particular show. It. never has been foreign policy. But it's. crazy to me the attempts from this Mike. Lawler resolution to the online hate. campaign to to silence this point of. view. Like you are not allowed, at least. as a, you know, conservative or. right-winger or somebody who's perceived. to be on the right side of the aisle to. be opposed to this war or to be in any.

way soft on Muslims. My God is like, you. know what, off. I I'll be whatever. I want to be. And if I want to. reevaluate any POVs at 55, I'll do it. Too bad. >> Amen. That's exactly right. But did you. think when you campaigned for Trump. >> and for MAGA and all that stuff a year. and a half ago, less than a year and a. half ago, that you'd be signing up for. like a more rigid version of identity. politics and cancellation and censorship. and basically screaming in the face of.

people you disagree with rather than. debating them. Did you think you were. signing up for that? Cuz I didn't. I. thought I was signing up for the. opposite. I voted against that. That's. one of the main reasons I campaigned for. Trump is I can't stand that. Shut up. racist. And shut up racist turns out to. be maybe not even as annoying as shut up. anti-semite. I mean, they're the same. thing. >> Yes. I was nowhere near. >> Shut up anti-semite. It's a little. hardered. No one ever accused me of. wanting genocide when one of my main. instincts in life is anti-genocide. I'm.

against ethnic cleansing. That's why I'm. concerned about what Israel is doing. So, like this whole thing is like not. what I thought we were getting at all. >> Yeah, I know. And it's the fact that. it's happening on quote our side, you. know, on the right. >> is so stunning and upsetting and I don't. even understand it. You know, like I. going into this whole thing, even the. question of what role does Israel play. in our politics and our country seems. like something we should be able to. debate like gentlemen to steal a phrase, right? Like for sure,

>> okay, there are facts. You can be pro. it, you can be against it. Why do we. have to hate each other over it? I don't. I I certainly didn't make that the. stakes of any of my friendships with the. more prominent Jewish members of the. media. They did. They all did. You know, I mean, >> Mark Tissson is very, very unhappy with. me. >> for not supporting the war. I love Mark. Tissson. I really do. I I care about. Mark Tissson a lot. I'm the one who made. him a star, Tucker. I put him on the. Kelly file night after night. >> and I know he's a good man and I know.

he's very very pro this war and I. actually don't hold it against him. I. that he comes by it honestly he's been. in that place for many many years but. he's not somebody who's like ended a. friendship over it. There are others who. really have and who have gotten so. personal and vicious most of whom I just. don't respond to. I just don't even. respond. It's like whatever you do your. thing but I've been shocked at how. vicious it's been from the right. Well, it's to see. I mean, I, as I said, I I. was in Jake Tapper's wedding. Like, I. knew Jake Tapper really well. And again, I knew him when he was a Hooters's. lobbyist. I wish he'd remained one. He.

was, I think, a pretty good Hooters. lobbyist. [laughter]. But to see him like attack me as someone. who should be censored because he. doesn't like my opinion on Netanyahu. It just shows you found the red line. The thing that really matters to other. people, the thing that's more important. to them than friendship, than love. between people, >> than people in general. Like, this is. what they care about most. And it's it's. so revealing that I think it's going to. be hard to go back, honestly.

>> Yeah. All right. Now, speaking of um. speaking to people in the media, how did. you do with Lulu? How did you enjoy your. experience with the New York? >> Oh, I loved it. I mean, of course. Um, >> yes. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, >> I like her. Do you like her? >> Oh, yeah. I, you know, I get along. Very. few people I don't get along with. Of. course, the half the thing was about. Fuentes and like, who car Fuentes? >> There was a lot of Fentes. >> Who cares about Fuentes? Talk about. irrelevant. Um, and I said to her, I. wish I'd never interviewed that kid. Not. that I'm again. I don't even really have.

strong feelings about Fuentes. I just. don't care. You know, he doesn't know. anything. He's not like a I don't really. know what's the significant of. significance of Fentes other than as a. tool to get other people to be quiet. Um. and that may be the whole point of. Fentes, by the way. I don't know, but I. wonder. But anyway, the point is what a. waste. And so you you throw up to the. New York Times like, "Well, actually, I. think the members of Congress who are. voting for ethnic cleansing in Gaza may. be a little bit more morally.

questionable than some podcaster who. lives in an apartment in Chicago and has. no power at all." And like her mind was. just blown like, "Oh, Ted Cruz could be. more damaging to other human beings than. Nick Fuentes, but he's a white. nationalist.". And I want I don't want to get. sidetracked. I want like first of all, I'm not even sure what a white. nationalist is, but I noticed that white. nationalist is the only kind of. nationalist that's not allowed. I mean, I believe in universal principles. If. something. >> weren't they calling you a white.

nationalist like two minutes ago at the. New York Times? >> I NEVER EVEN UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT WAS. Like I But I guess my point is like. either a standard applies to everybody. or it doesn't apply to anybody. I just. am a Christian. I believe in universal. standards for all people. That's that's. the basis of our law as you know as an. attorney. It we don't have laws that. apply just to some people then they're. not laws. They're just preferences. That's the definition of corruption. And. so is if it's okay to be a nationalist.

and ethnic nationalist and we can debate. whether it is or should be or whatever. Then it's okay for any group to be an. ethnic nationalist. White, black, Hispanic, Asian, Jewish, doesn't matter. But we live in this weird world where. there's only one category that's totally. immoral and the rest are encouraged. And. I just feel like those kind of. >> all starts with white. I know that's why. exist everything. >> Exactly. Exactly. And by the way, I. think the New York they're the ones.

Lulu's paper and the left have made race. >> of course everything. They're the reason. Nick Fentes is popular, right? because. the same generation that listens to him. has been told nothing other than race is. all that matters. You are defined by. your skin color. You know, choose your. team because nobody else wants you or. likes you or values you. >> And unfortunately, a lot of people have. believed it. So, they need to do some. self-reflection. >> over on that [laughter] side. >> I don't think that's going to happen. anytime soon. >> As soon as as soon as they catch the.

people shorting oil futures, they're. going to start to self-reflect, I think. >> [laughter]. >> right around when they released the 911. files. >> Joe, they're they're going to find the. people who did the insider trading. because there are still some honest. brokers. >> and there's a resentment of rich people. and people who cheat and trade, you. know, on on other people's backs in the. system. And now unlike after 9/11, you. have the digital media, you know, to. keep the story going. And you know,

>> so we can ratchet up the pressure on. this in a way that the mainstream maybe. wouldn't have and didn't after 9/11. I. mean, I hope I hope that's what All. right. Now, listen. I have to I have to. get this in before you leave. >> Thank you so much for introducing us to. Buckley Carlson, your brother. [laughter] I also know Buckley, your. son, who's also awesome. But Buckley. Carlson, your brother, was a special. treat. Tucker, for the listening. audience who didn't happen to catch, he's I think you've had him on twice. >> He's amazing. He's like Tucker.

uncensored. >> Yes. >> I mean, I know you don't censor. yourself, but like if you took away just. like 10% of the like decorum that. Tucker's learned from years of being in. the media, you have Buckley sitting. there who doesn't give a flying fig. what anyone thinks of him. That became. very clear. And I speak for America. We. fell in love with Buckley. [laughter] We. pulled this piece of the discussion. which set it off so perfectly. This is.

uh you two talking about John McCain way. back in the day when you were young and. coming up as kids in DC. S 27. >> The Republican party was completely um. empty. And I had also lived through. >> empty. What do you mean? They had no. principles that they were willing to. stand up for. And I had seen probably. the starkkest example was John McCain. who I had grown up really respecting was. at a time in America when people. actually celebrated war heroes. I. thought he was a war hero at that time.

I've subsequently learned differently, but um it was when he attacked the. tobacco industry early on when I was. first working for corporate America, a. big PR firm, and he had led the charge. against big tobacco. >> and had been a grandstander and a phony. Tobacco was a great American heritage. product and as a consumer who enjoyed. tobacco, I always sort of respected it. and but it tied in also with a sense of.

personal responsibility which we never. see now is there was a you know you had. the freedom to smoke. May it be bad for. you? Yes, I think every smoker knew it. was probably bad for you. >> I love that. I did not see that the John. McCain thing like what what turned the. the Carlson's on John McCain. It was his. war on big tobacco. But that set the. tone for the rest of the interview and. it was no holds barred. So can you just. give me a couple of give me some. insights into the wonderful Buckley. Carlson. >> into Uncle Buck as he's known in our.

family. Um well he's the smartest. person. Uncle Buck has probably 15 IQ. points on me. Um he is very intense. intellectually. Reads constantly like my. father. He keeps a book in the car to. read at red lights and uh has been. everywhere. You know I spent all those. years in a studio. Uncle Buck was all. around the world doing things that was. not exactly what he was doing, but but. he was just everywhere all the time. So, he's just seen a lot. And he's one of. these people who's just decided like at. age 15, it's one of the reasons he. didn't make it through boarding school,

that he's just going to say what he. thinks is true at all times, no matter. what. And he loves people. He loves. dogs. He loves women. He's just a very. warm person. Like my daughters love him. In fact, one of them called me this. morning about Uncle Buck and how great. he is. But he [snorts] so it's not that. he's not acting out of rage or anything. He's acting out of love, but also just a. an unshakable determination to say what. he thinks is true at all times. And so. it's just funny. He's so famous. >> and doesn't care what you think in. response. >> Oh, in my neighborhood in Northwest DC. and in our family, we have a big family.

Uncle Buck is very famous. Everyone. talks about Uncle Buck every day. And. it's only been in the last couple of. months all of a sudden he's on the. internet. And I'm like, "What are you. doing on the I had no idea he was on the. internet cuz I don't go on the internet. that much. >> His Twitter game is second to none. >> He's unbelievable." No, he's the he's. Yeah, he's my best friend and my. favorite person, but I just I'm amazed. that other people know who he is now. >> It just cracks me up. >> He's now becoming the dominant. conversation in my family, too. [laughter] Uh, but. >> he was just straight out of central. casting, Tucker, with like the tan and.

the cigarettes and like the suit and. like just the grizzled like Yeah. on. everything. I loved his lack of self-p. protection. Uh, great to see you, my. friend. We'll talk again soon. >> You're the best. Thank you, Megan. Great. to see you. >> A lots of love, Tucker. And I should. point out, we loved Buckley Carlson so. much. We invited him to come on this. program and he will. He'll be on next. month. Um, I hope in person. I don't. know. We're trying for that. So, I can't. wait for that. Yeah, he's coming to the. Red Studio. That's going to be super.

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month. The question is, does he have a. chance? Joining me now, Mark Lynch. Mark, welcome to the show. Do you? >> Oh, yes, we sure do, Megan. Thank you. for having me on today. >> Sure, you bet. So, why do you have a. chance? because I just did a quick. search and uh Pulse Opinion Research. used Rasmusen Reports licensed. methodology for its poll and came up. with the following result. Lindsey. Graham is 42 41% and you are in second.

with 21% which is a big gap to close. >> Well, that was towards the end of March. Since then, on April 10th, the guy in. third place, Paul Dans, realized with. the polling and his uh not having the. funding to to really do this race. substantially like he wanted to endorse. me, he he took his name off the ballot. He endorsed me and he was at 11%. And. that was a awesome, humbling, unifying. thing to show the Republican party that.

he's still allin. his his focus is still. the same to take out Lindsey Graham and. he's working with me now uh supporting. me to do that and when Rasmusen did an. informed ballot it flips Lindsay falls. to 23 and I go to 34%. with still some undecided votes and that. was when Paul was still in the in the in. the polling with 11%. So it's very. >> What is an informed poll? What do you. mean by that? when they when the voters.

know more about me and understand my. platform. >> Well, the even even without the informed. poll, you can see here in the numbers, you got unsure at 22%. So, if Paul's. voters at 11% in JCU, you're at. potentially at 32%. And then you got. unsure at 22. So, if you had 32 and. Lindsay had 41, you got 22% who you. could still get, which is more. promising. So, there is a chance. I do. believe there is a chance and it needs.

to happen, Mark. Um, yes. You tell me. because it sounds to me like you're very. very proTrump. There's no daylight. between you and the president. It's not. like an anti-Trump thing. So, but you. tell me what is it about Lindsey Graham. that led you to file this challenge? >> Well, his conservative lifetime voting. record is 43% failing. His. constitutional voting record is 57%. failing. He claims to be pro-life, but. on his US Senate page, he's from.

murdering children up to 15 weeks and. voted on a bill that puts our tax. dollars into a blood pack with Satan. with Obamacare and Medicaid funding. Planned Parenthood in nine states to. murder babies up until the moment before. delivery in the ninth month. That's not. a pro-life candidate. And our our uh. founders of this country when they wrote. the Declaration of Independence realized. we are endowed by our creator God with. certain unalienable rights and the first.

right is the right to life and he's not. supporting that. So he's he's not uh. really holding up to his oath to defend. the US Constitution and to defend us. against foreign and domestic enemies. And he's not really a flip-flopper. I. would call him a traitor with some of. the things he does, but he does move to. the right during election season so that. he looks like he's a Republican again. and everybody's tired of it. >> He doesn't seem too pro the right to. life if you happen to be a civilian in.

Gaza or Lebanon or Iran for that matter. either. His bloodlust and I just. finished a segment talking about how I. have dear friends who are very pro this. war in Iran. I disagree with them, but I. respect their opinion and I know they. come by it honestly and in good faith. Not him. He seems bloodthirsty. Mark, what is What do you make of his rhetoric. around this war and his constant pushing. for more of it?

>> Right. It's just evil. I mean, even on. January 6th, he's he's he's crazy. He. told he told the news we should have. shot him all in the head. Americans. expressing their freedom of speech and. uh grievances against the elections that. happened when Trump's election was. stolen in 2020. He wanted to shoot all. the people on J6 in the head and they. were all led in and led. >> crazy. I didn't know he said that. >> Oh yeah. Yep. You know, so people are. tired of it. You know, with Trump's.

endorsement, everybody is uh concerned. about that. The whole country loves. Trump still whatever respects President. Trump, but they've all said in South. Carolina and America that endorsement. won't save Lindsey Graham this time. because Trump's made some bad. endorsements. That's okay. We understand. that. But we've seen Lindsay's patterns. and it's tired. We're all tired of it. Enough's enough. It's time for him to. go. What what why is it that South.

Carolinians who are very sensible people. among the best people. why do they keep electing him? >> One reason, Megan, is we have open. primaries of all things. So we don't. require party registration. So on the on. the primary on June 9th, Democrats can. cross over and vote in Republic. elections and and change our election. results. That's just crazy. and we can't. get it changed because there's so many. rhinos in the state house. They'll never. vote to close the primaries. So, we have.

stagnation and we just have things we. can't get past. So, um that's how. Democrats are voting for Lindsey Graham. And you know, when we first filed in. February of 25, Breitbart News. Organization contacted us and said, "We. don't know what you're doing, but we've. never seen Lindsay move to the right. this early in a campaign cycle." So we. gave them some knowledge of an article. that we had an inter email. correspondence between Obama's chief. campaign pollster Paul Harstad talking.

to John Podesta they thought on a. private email and they all agreed that. Lindsey Graham would be the greatest. ally to the Democrat party they had ever. had. So that tells the whole story. That's who he is. >> Wow. Well, I certainly hope you managed. to pull this out because America's had. enough of Lindsey Graham. I I hope the. South Carolinian people do the right. thing and relieve us of this burden. We. need a true conservative in there who's. not a wararmonger, who's not.

bloodthirsty, who's just an honest true. red conservative person and you seem. like the man, Mark. Thank you. Thanks. for throwing your hat in the ring and. we'll continue to watch it. >> Thank you, Megan. I would tell the. voters if I can go to lynchforate.com. >> What can can what can we do? People. always say, "Call me. Tell me what we. can do. Pray for us. This is spiritual. warfare. Everybody has one of these. Contact your friends and family and tell. them about me and support our campaign. cuz it takes y'all out there. I'm the.

guy that's willing to go help me get. there and let's replace him and give. America a wonderful birthday present on. its 250th anniversary. We'll remove a. traitor in Congress. >> All the best to you. Thanks for coming. on. >> Thank you. Wow, that'll be a fascinating contest. I. mean, if he can keep that tight at all, uh, he's got a shot. I realize it's a. long shot, but it's there. And I do. think Lindsey Graham's been more in the.

news negatively than he usually has been. as he approaches yet another. re-election. If you are in South. Carolina, please, please consider Mark. Lynch and go to lynchforate.com. Like he. said, check out his platform. I think. you're going to be very happy if you're. a Republican or a right-leaning. independent. Okay, in the time we have. left, I've got to spend a minute on. Spencer Pratt, who was a star star at. the LA mayor's debate last night. Watching him against Karen Bass and that.

other woman, uh, Nithia Ramen, it was a. thing of beauty. This guy was real. He. was raw. He was authentic. He was. unafraid. My favorite clip is when he. rolled his eyes at the one. It was like. he he kind of made fun of her. He was. funny. I enjoyed him thoroughly. And it. doesn't appear that my friend Tishimman. made the stage. That doesn't bode well. for her numbers. But I am totally behind. Spencer Pratt here after listening to. him last night. Let me give you an. example in S 29.

I will go below the Harbor Freeway. tomorrow with her and we can find some. of these people she's going to offer. treatment for. She's going to get. stabbed in the neck. These people do not. want a bed. They want fentanyl or super. meth. These ideas cost us over $400. million to house for 70. What did he. say? 3,000 people for 400 million. This. is absolute failure for both of them. They're a team. So the only question is whether.

Californians are going to respond as. they absolutely should to him to that. kind of frank talk. she's going to get. stabbed in the neck if she goes down to. these homeless camps and tries to, you. know, offer them her therapy or. whatever. He's exactly right as we all. know and that's why she would never go. there and none of us do. Um, so he's. talking frankly to Angelenos and they. know it. They know what he's saying is. real and he's nonpartisan this guy. He's. not a Republican. He's I think running. as an independent and he sounded like an. independent when you heard him talk last. night. Here's a little bit more in S 28.

>> First off, uh, Mayor Bass and I are. definitely not working together. I blame. this person for burning my house and my. parents house and my town and all my. neighbors down. I am not working with. Mayor Bass. Second off, if I wanted to. run against anybody, it would be the. council member who is terrible. Mayor. Bass has at least been a mayor for. almost four years and has, as she talked. about earlier, the unions. All the. unions endorse Mayor Bass. You think. it's easier to run against the incumbent. mayor with all the unions or a random. city council member who's been a failure.

for six years? I would much rather run. against councilwoman Ramen. Thank you. very much. >> So that was brilliant because he dissed. the council woman as like a nobody, which she she took issue with later. You. could see she was offended. He didn't he. treated her like she was like not some. star. Um and also dissed Karen Bass in. the same fell swoop. You could you could. feel his contempt for his two. adversaries in a way that was. refreshing. It wasn't a turnoff. It was. like, "Yes, I think a lot of people are.

feeling it." Karen Bass tried to get up. there and blame the LA fire debacle on. everyone other than herself. Everyone. And he was there. He's living in a. trailer after his house. He lost his. house saying with the receipts and he. knew the facts and the figures. This is. a former reality TV star, but he has. studied up and he knew his facts and the. figures about what was going on with the. water reservoirs, what the winds were on. the night, cuz Karen Bass likes to blame. the winds for the reason why we couldn't.

have the helicopters dropping the water. as opposed to the reservoirs being. empty. He had all of his stats and. figures and was firing them off with. ease. The other two were caught. flatfooted and looked embarrassed, frankly, that they didn't come to play. Um, here's the soundbite I mentioned for. the listening audience. And for the. listening audience, you got to go to the. YouTube just towards the end of the show. to see this, but it's worth it. Such a. good clip. Watch. >> Um, I'm not sure how to respond to that. vision of Los Angeles. This is a MAGA.

Republicans idea of what Los Angeles. looks like. This is This is really not. This is [laughter]. [gasps] So, what happens in the clip is. she's like kind of shaking her head, you. know, from side to side like I I'm at a. loss here. And they cut to him in the. middle of this is what a MAGA. Republicans, which he's not, by the way, a view of Los Angeles is. And he just. does a quick imitation of her [laughter]. with the shaking of the head.

It's very funny, very good political. instincts. And you know what you walk. away thinking at the end of the debate. is he's just likable. If you if you're. anything other than a hard leftist, he. is likable and he instills confidence. And I think there's something about. somebody who's been personally affected. by the incompetence of the current. ruler, Karen Bass, that will be. inspirational and hopefully motivational. for the people who live in LA. Please.

save LA. Save LA. They You guys need. Spencer Pratt. Check it out. Don't miss. the show tomorrow. Moren Callahan comes. back on the show. That's going to be. fun.