The TRUTH About Jill's Treatment of Joe Biden, Bari Weiss' Leadership, and "Strangers" Accuracy

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show and happy. Thursday. It's another day filled with. breaking news from all over the country. and another day where we do not know. who's moving on to the runoff in the. major California elections for governor. and Los Angeles mayor because they. really just have to wait for the mailin. votes to arrive and there's apparently. been a surge in mail-in votes especially. from Democrat areas of California. So, it's really just too difficult for them.

to predict how these races are going to. come down. I'm sorry, but if you don't. smell a rat, your olfactory nerves are. not working. This is sick. This is no. way to run an election. There will be no. public confidence in this if it doesn't. track the way the actual in-person vote. tracked uh as of Tuesday. I mean, this. is third world we're looking at. right now because you have Tom, sorry, not Tom Styer, thank God. uh you have.

Steve Hilton leading uh in California. and you've got Spencer Pratt currently. in second in LA, but they won't call it. for either one uh because they think. Tommy Styer at the gubernatorial level. and Nitia Ramen at the LA mayor level. may surge miraculously in the mailin. votes and overtake one of the top two. spots.

leaving the Republicans in the dust and. not able to move on. I like. no one's going to accept this. Like. California is 39% Republicans. They have no representation whatsoever. at at the at the state level. And now. for the first time with their, you know, half their city in LA burning down and. their state in tatters with homeless. everywhere and hypodermic needles on. every sidewalk. Now the public gets to.

vote and what we have to wait. They're. saying it could be weeks before we know. the result. Weeks, days or weeks. You. you've got Ronda Santis, the governor of. Florida, rightfully ripping them, saying, "We have 10 million voters here. we count it in a day. Get your. together. That's not exactly how he put. it, but that's what he's saying. And. you've got a lot of Californians out. there who want real change and have it. available to them in like a realistic.

way. This could actually happen for the. first time in a long time. And it just. feels very much like it is in serious. danger of getting stolen out from under. them. And you guys know I'm not a big. stolen election person, you know? I I'm. not I've never bought into that I. want to see cold hard proof if. somebody's going to make allegations of. a stolen election. But how are you going. to have confidence when they're talking. about surge in mail-in vote votes, especially from Democrat counties and.

more than half of the vote outstanding. in mail-in balloting? More than half. So. you can control any election. If you've. got more than half of the vote. outstanding, you can control anything. This is not just military vets who are. overseas. This is like half of the. populace there who they are letting and. you can mail in the ballots on election. day. They don't have to be in by. election day. I'm just like, okay, I'll. give you the specifics as we get into. this in just a bit. Uh then we also have.

got to get into this. All right. So, for. months now, I've actually been obsessing. over this book. I've shared my thoughts. with a lot of my dear friends over this. book. I don't know why this book has. like stretch struck such a chord with me. and a lot of other women in particular, but now it finds itself immersed in. controversy and for good reason. All. right, it's uh it's a bestseller and. it's called Strangers. I actually saw it. because my husband Doug's book is on the. New York Times bestseller list thanks to. all of you in large part. So, thank you.

It's called The Lost Empire of Emanuel. Nobel. I have an update on that in a. second, but I looked at the Times. bestseller list, which I don't normally. do. And uh thankfully Doug made it and. this woman, Belle Burden, and her book, Strangers, is still at the top of it. It's also non-fiction, like Doug's book, and it's called A Memoir of Marriage. It's been 19 weeks on the bestseller. list now, in fact. So, wow, good for. her. But it turns out that much like. another book that our friend Moren. Callahan took a deep dive into and.

exposed as a fraud. And now the author. of that other book is facing a lawsuit. from the woman who claims her story was. stolen. Just like that book, this book. too appears to have taken some serious. liberties with the truth in order to. create a narrative around this poor me. mom and wife who was left by the evil. financeier husband. um that are now just coming out. It's. coming out that this woman can buy you.

and your entire family. Okay? Like she. wrote a whole novel, not novel, non-fiction piece about how her husband. left her in the lurch for another woman. how her financial security was in. tatters. She didn't know where to turn, what to do next. She was going to lose. all her houses. And it turns out the New. Yorker did a deep dive. She's worth $67. million. [laughter]. We like crying tears of this woman, this. woman, some of us. Uh, do you have $67.

million? Would you be writing a piece. about how you didn't know how to pay. your bills? If you can't pay your bills. with $67 million, you it's a you. problem. [laughter]. Okay, so there's a lot to get into and. the perfect person is here to do it. Her. name is Moren Callahan and she is the. host of The Nerve with Moren Callahan on. our MK Media podcast network. Go and. subscribe now on YouTube. It's on every. podcast platform, so you can get it for. free wherever you go. Or just go to the. nerve.com to find out all the deets on.

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LLC. a licensed insurance agency. Marine, welcome back. >> Thank you for having me, Megan. >> You've been on all of these stories. right from the get-go. And it's the same. publisher, >> is it? >> Who did Amy Griffin's The Tell and then. did Belle Burden's Strangers? The same. publisher. >> You know, her story never struck me as. trul as as real in the first place. I. remember reading her modern love column. which was the precursor and that got her.

the book deal. >> In the New York Times they they have a. column where you can write in about your. modern love story and she did that and. that turned into the book. >> and it was this was the this was the. story sum and substance. Uh my husband. came home one day and said he wanted a. divorce. I don't know what's a differentiating. factor that makes that story unique. I'm. sorry for her that her marriage ended. and she didn't want it to but it happens. every day. I went and reread it because. we we're doing this on the nerve. tomorrow as well. Yeah. >> And um I reread that original column and.

you can tell because in the book she. writes about she went she had a very. lengthy back and forth with the editor. at the New York Times. This is like a. 900word column. It should not take that. long, right? >> And you can tell the editors pushing her. like what's different about your story? >> Come up with something. You may be a New. York City ais. You may be descended from. Standard Oil, the Vanderbilts. You know, your grandmother may have been, you.

know, Babe Paley, who is, by the way, married to the head of CBS, Bill Paley. So, she's not some fawn in the woods who. doesn't know how media works and big. media and big money. Okay. So, Belle, what makes your story different? What. makes it different? And what she comes. up with is, I'm special because this. happened to me during a pandemic. >> Yeah, that is. She does highlight that a. lot in the book. Okay. >> Is she the only person whose marriage. fell apart during the stress of the. pandemic and global lockdown, right?

>> Come on. >> I really found this an interesting read. I listened to the audio as I do with. most books. And um she reads it herself. I you have to speed it up. She's got a. very slow cadence, but I thought it was. just interesting from like a human a. human perspective. But the more I. listened, the less I liked this woman. >> Because if you listen to the book or. read the book, what you will see is. somebody who is very much like he left. me. It's all about I'm not giving. anything away. This is how it basically. opens. But the husband comes actually.

they're in their Martha's Vineyard. multi-million dollar estate uh in the. pandemic. And she gets a call from a man. who says, "I'm sorry to have to tell you. this, but your husband has been having. an affair with my wife." And she's. devastated. And the first night, her. husband admits to it, but apologizes and. feels bad. And then by the next morning. at 6:00 a.m., he awakes her in bed. saying with his bags packed, saying, "I. thought I loved you. I don't. I'm. leaving you. I haven't been happy in a.

long time." And he pieces out, and he. goes back to their pad in the city, which is also multi-million dollar home. And before you know it, he really does. He is leaving her. He does not ever come. back and say, "I made a mistake." It's. totally unclear to me whether he winds. up with the woman like the affair. partner. I don't think that they wound. up together, but I could be wrong. And. then she talks about the journey of like. how devastating this was because she was. blindsided. That's what interested me.

and and it's like the nightmare, you. know, that like someone you deeply love. just one day comes to you and says, "I. don't love you. I'm out.". >> Like you've somehow grown repulsive to. me. >> That's a horrible horrible nightmare. [snorts] I I I I think we've talked. about this because it it like I never. forgot it when I heard about it, but it. was like Lonnie Anderson and Bert. Reynolds who were supposed to be like. the it couple. Remember everybody like. [snorts] back in the day they were on. like Battle of the Network stars and all. the things together as husband and wife. They were so sweet. And they their love. affair was held up as like the love.

affair of all love affairs. And she said. one morning he looked at her in bed and. said, "You know you're the love of my. life, don't you?" And she said, "Of. course, and you're the love of mine.". And that afternoon she got served with. divorce papers. So it's like that kind of is very. tough to recover from. It's like all my. judgment sucks. My interpersonal skills. are bad. I can't read people. I I have. no EQ. I can never trust again. I can. never love again because I'm going to. set myself up for this. So that's to me.

why Belle Burden story was interesting. like she she wrote about how she really. really really did not see problems in. their marriage and and this husband. doing this to her completely undermined. her sense of self. But if [snorts] you. read the book more carefully, then you. hear little signs like she admits. she completely let herself go. physically. >> That's not an excuse to cheat on your. wife and dump on her. But let's face it, it does matter. If you marry a thin fit.

person and they completely let. themselves go physically, don't be. surprised if the sexual attraction goes. down and eventually, especially with a. man. I mean, if they say he's not. getting it from you, he's getting it. from somebody else. Not excusing it. I'm. just talking about realities here. >> And that's what happened. >> And then she admits she completely. seated all of the financial. responsibilities to him. He married a. corporate lawyer who I think she was at. Paul Weiss like a big great firm. So he.

married a gunner who was an ays but like. a serious professional. And then she. gave up her job to raise the kids. That's fine but like he's getting. something a little different than he. thought he was getting. And on top of. that seed did everything to him. She. never paid a bill. She never looked over. his shoulder at a checkbook. She. couldn't even balance a checkbook. She. had no idea what the finances were. So, this guy had all of the responsibility, everything. And she limited herself to.

one thing, taking care of Junior. >> By the way, I don't even know where. actual Junior was cuz they had a boy and. two girls. The boy's not even there. He's with another family throughout the. whole pandemic. He doesn't live with. them. Only her two younger daughters. live with them, which is weird. Um, and. so she dumps on this husband like it's. all his fault. And it that's clearly not. right in any marriage or even any. affair. >> And now it turns out the the main thread. of like what he had done to her other.

than the cheating which was like he left. her high and dry with the finances is a. lie. She's worth almost $70 million. Moren. And she's wrote a whole book. getting us to feel sorry for her and her. financial situation. This This story is so I I love this. story and I'm actually so glad like I. bought the book a while ago and I read. it after the New Yorker thing. Oh, >> because I. >> Oh, you must have enjoyed that. >> I I really did. First of all, I love. that word gunner. Like he married a. gunner. Yes, he did. Yes, he did.

>> I don't like I you Let's see. How do I. start this? She is a liar. We know she's. a liar. Okay. She says in the book, "Not. only did he just come home and say, I. don't love you anymore and I'm leaving. and I was just the perfect wife. What. did I do? Sorry, you weren't the perfect. wife, you know, and you're constructing. yourself in this book as like the. perfect wife and a total victim and I. just don't buy it. Something was deeply. wrong in that marriage for quite some. time." Okay. Secondly, she's like, "Uh,

yeah, not only I I was I was up against. it. I was going to have to sell the. Martha's Vineyard home and the expensive. penthouse in New York City and our art. You have to split the proceeds, Megan. Split the proceeds. And uh what turns. out is like the husband who she paints. as evil. Like almost like a psychopath. Like I married Christian Bale and. American psycho. What's wrong with me? And that's what I hate about this. because it this is what it it implants. this fear into women. Like are you with. a psychopath? Yeah.

>> Do you really know your husband or your. boyfriend? It's like the guy was like, "Hey, have the have the have both. properties. Take both of them. You know. what else you can take? The Now, these. are the details that really make this. story sing. They have a private beach on. Martha's Vineyard, which requires a key, which was most recently valued at. $400,000. You can take that. Do you. remember? And and he's paying for the. kids until they're 22. >> 50 grand a month. >> And that only that's just child support. That doesn't include tuition, doctor. bills, extracurriculars. He's covering.

everything. Who who couldn't make life. work on a you know who could make life. work on a poultry $600,000 a year Moren. or Belle she says in the book this is a. direct quote it brought me to my knees. it brought this is what brought her to. her knees Megan she's at the country. club one day she's not a country club. person but she joined anyway. >> oh sure. >> she joined she's just a regular person. she joined anyway because she needed a. social circle so uh she's at the country.

club minding her business and you know. she's expecting everybody to be on her. side cuz her big bad husband had the. affair. >> He cheated. >> Yeah. >> Uh and she's basically telling everybody. you should hate him. He cheated on me. Uh and life is very complicated. I'm. sorry. It just is. Uh this woman comes. up to her and says, "Listen, sister, I'm. going to I'm going to clue you in on. something. When a couple gets divorced. up here, uh typically only one person. gets custody of the country club.". >> Mahara. >> And Belle is like, "I'm sorry. Excuse. me. What was that? Only one." And Belle.

says, "But I'm the wrong spouse. It. should be me, >> right? Me.". >> And she's like, "It doesn't work that. way." I mean, come on. You know that. like that that level of male of like. 1enter.1. like they've got a lot of options about. elbows every day, >> rubbing the elbows. They want the guy. who can create additional business. connections for the people who are. there. Yeah. She's very concerned about. their country club in the book. And the. other thing is the um oh she also admits.

in the book and you got to get deep into. it to hear this piece. She was boring. She admits she was boring, not exciting. socially, not a great conversationalist. and never wanted to go out. Like her her. arm had to be twisted. Now I get it. Like I'm not a huge go out person. We we. do go out. We we meet friends for. dinner, but like I'm not on a red carpet. very often. every once in a while you. got to do it. But my point is simply. that works in my marriage because my. husband's fine with that. But if you're.

married to somebody who's like a captain. of industry who constantly needs to be. out there rubbing elbows and like. gladhanding with potential clients like. he's works for a hedge fund so he needs. to get rich people to invest in him with. him. You do need a wife who can play. that part. And I know a lot of them here. in my town and they're amazing at it. The women who can do it well are like. equal partners to those husbands. man. They're incredibly charming, very good. conversationalists, keep the convo going. in a way sometimes even the husbands. can't. So, they actually do wind up. being very, very important business. partners and way to their spouses.

>> She admits she couldn't. And repeatedly. he was kind of disappointed by her. rejection of him in on this front. >> and rejection in the bedroom. I'm sorry, but like. >> what did you think was going to happen? >> Well, I think she thought I brought the. real money to this marriage, you know? I. mean, it's so out of touch because I. think what's so deeply offensive about. this book, which has been propped up by. the likes of Oprah, Gwyneith, Drew. Barrymore, NPR, the New York Times, the. mediaindustrial complex, is that it is. it is a it is an insult to women.

everywhere who do not have nearly as. many means, whose husbands do walk out. the door, who are left with small. children to support, who are now facing. down the barrel of selling probably. their only asset, the family home, and. being bankrupted by the cost of. litigation if it gets. Who's going to pay the child support? Is. he going to show up? Is that going to be. another fight? Do I have to get two. jobs? Who's taking care of my kids? Do I. have to, you know, all of those things? Belle Burden. And you're so right. She's. boring. She's boring. She's This book is.

This is why this book exists. My theory. >> It is a complete act of revenge against. the husband. It is a This is This is the. sole reason this book exists. It is to. punish the husband who had the temerity. to leave her. There's this moment in the. book again, she doesn't even hear. herself. She's She's so bloodthirsty for. vengeance. She's like, "You know what. I'm going to do?" James is the name. It's a pseudonym, but you could Google. the guy and find him. >> Yeah. >> You know what I'm going to do, James? >> I'm happy to say his name. He doesn't. need any protection. I'll find it and.

read it. I actually didn't know. It's um. Henry Patterson Davis. He's a hedge fund. executive. She calls him James in the. book. Um so, and and they've got three. kids, as I point out. So, it's not just. she hates them, but she's also hurting. her kids with this. Keep going. >> Oh, and you know, she dedicated the book. to the children. I'm sure their. therapists are going to die to hear that. little detail. Uh she says, um, I'm. going to tell the kids that you're. leaving me and we're getting a divorce. And he's like, "Please don't do that. Wait till I'm there and we can break the. news together and try to minimize this. trauma." She's like, "No, no, I'm going. to do it. I'm going to do it." His boss.

calls her and says, "Don't do that." Oh, yeah. >> I have been divorced, too. We have. children. That is a cruelty. Let him be. there. And she says, "You know what I. decided to do? I allowed for it and that. boss gave James, loaned James his sea. plane and his pilot so James could get. back forth with and deliver the news. It's like loaned loaned not just the. plane but the pilot as if the pilot is. an object, not a person. It's this kind. of language that really just gives you.

insight into who she is. >> That's how she grew up. And she went to. Harvard undergrad and I think NYU law. school. She got this great job. Again, I'm pretty sure it's Paul Weiss. I read. the book in January, but it's been a few. months, but I'm pretty sure that's where. she was working. Might have been Davis. Pulk. They're basically same, but like. white shoe law firms where you, you. know, make boatloads of dough. She was. in corporate law, so she was in sort of. the M&A deal making piece of the firm. And she, the half the book is about how.

she had no idea what she was going to. do. You know, he was going to leave her. She gets $600,000 a year from him in. child support only. I mean, at minimum, she undisclosed is her $67 million trust. fund. And on top of that, she's got a. law degree from NYU and an. undergrad degree from Harvard. I think. she'll be okay. Like, it's the the G to. ask us to feel sorry for her. Like, where is my next meal coming from? Maybe.

you should put a skirt on and go apply. for it's called a J O, I can't. stand disempowered women like this. I'm. not going to lie. I can't stand them. Go. get a job. Support yourself. Stop with. the boo who for me because my. husband has is leaving me and no longer. wants to be my financial support net. You know, I just I hate how. disempowering it is. Well, the thing. that also is really gling is she's out. there saying, "You know what I'm doing?

I'm helping other women. I'm I'm your. cautionary tale. Don't leave all your. finances to your husband. Don't let him, you know, this idea that she doesn't. know how to balance checkbook and she. has that kind of ac like education. You. went to Harvard. >> and and was in that kind of a highowered. law firm. I think what this woman's. problem, her real problem is she doesn't. have a real passion in life. And did you. happen to see by the way the Wall Street. Journal ran this fascinating piece over. the weekend? There are all of these like. major seminars that are are dedicated to.

the children of massive wealth. >> Oh yeah. And they go, the billionaires. children's go and learn how to stay. billionaires. Not just that, but how to. how to find purpose, how to get out of. their bubble. Like one of the kids. literally says, and they might be 28. It. is funny, but like you know what I did. do? I put on a baseball cap and I rode. the public bus. Oh my gosh. >> Like something I've never done. And this. is Belle Burden. This is stuff she's. never done. I think when you're causeted. by that amount of wealth and privilege. and access and you never have to fight.

for anything, your back has never been. up against the wall financially, it saps. you of a sense of of finding something. that you love so that when you do enter. the workforce, >> your job is a joy, right? Like I feel. that way. I feel very lucky, you know? But that's also because I didn't come. from anything, >> you I I I would look at friends of mine. as I entered my young adulthood in New. York City and my roommates came from. money and they they just had a. completely different they were lost in a.

way. Like I had a real direction and I I. would always say to myself, would I ever. trade that? Would I ever trade having. like parents who could bail me out. versus having like being being. fundamentally lost and casting about for. what I wanted to do? And it was it was a. no-brainer. was never would I change. places. >> Same. I I it created ambition. I I. always wanted enough money just so that. I could. >> I I told the audience this before, but. my dream was to be able to walk in a. pottery barn and just buy what I wanted, you know?

>> And I remember when I when I got to that. place in my career and I was like, I oh. my god, this is amazing. I can do it. And I've learned now through the course. of my career for having I had no money, then I had like a decent amount of. money, and then I had a good amount of. money that your happiness does not. change the more money you get. Once you. get past the the stage of I can pay my. bills without feeling sick, it there is. no difference in happiness. Truly, it. there is none. Ju just get past the. point where you don't feel sick when. those bills come every month. I've been. there, too. In my 20s, for sure, when I.

graduated from law school, I didn't know. if I'd get a good job. I was $100,000 in. debt, which back then was more like. 500,000 in debt. I had to pay it myself. My mom had no money. I knew that I was. going to have to take care of her, too. >> And it was my dad died. And um it it was. stressful. I I had this sick feeling, but once you get to the point where like. you can pay your mortgage or your rent, you can pay your utilities, you can pay. for a car, you know, I had a Toyota. Corolla when I was first getting started. in the law, it's the pressure's off. So. you don't you don't need all those extra.

billions. I the thirst like the hunger. came from getting to that spot where the. bills wouldn't be sickening and you. could possibly have a little extra. I I. was actually morning just looking. through old journals. >> just yesterday because a friend of mine. was going is going through something and. I had been through something similar. I. wanted to find my entry from back in the. day. I have them all back to when I was. a kid. >> Wow. >> Yeah. They're stacked up. >> Wow. >> And uh I found this one entry. This is. early on in my career at Fox where I was. doing my finances and I was like if I.

can manage, you know, to like manage my. money, I could potentially get to the. point where I have as much as $1,000. extra a month to spend. you know, like I. I'll have real spending money. $1,000 a. month. And I was so excited over it. I. am no happier today than I was that day. More money generally creates more. problems and like more things you have. to worry about. I I'm not saying it's. not a blessing. I'm just saying for. people out there who think like a lot of. money is the beall end all. It's not. And this woman was too busy nurturing. I.

don't know. Like her sense of being a. superm mom, which she doesn't. necessarily sound like she was. >> She sounds like a terrible mother. This book is the act of a terrible. mother. I'm sorry. >> And com and also it's not a great mother. supermom thing to do. >> to forget to nurture your marriage and. like the institution that you're. bringing the children up in like the. loving family the core of what will. produce strong egos and you know. abilities to handle themselves when. adversary adversity comes their way. And. instead of just a normal divorce where.

it's like it didn't work out, we're. still going to be in each other's lives. She blows it up into this national story. to where now Gwennneth Paltro is going. to star in a Netflix movie about her. shitty husband and her kids have got to. see that. Well, will she can Netflix go. through with this? The whole premise of. the book was blown up by The New Yorker. She the whole thing was blown up and. she's an unreliable narrator, which is. why I don't believe anything she has to. say about her marriage or her husband. She she said I was he was going to leave. me with nothing. He was basically a.

sociopath. I was listening to um she did. any number of podcast interviews in. which she said um what was it? Oh oh oh. she was on the foster sisters one and. they said um it sounds really like you. were married to a sociopath. You know. what do you think about that? And she. says she was gleeful about it. >> Oh that's definitely what she wants us. to think. >> She says well you know I wasn't allowed. to put anything regarding mental health. in the book. So it she she was like I. had to take some stuff out which which. to me says she basically called him a.

sociopath in the book and legal over at. her publishers which has another fire on. their hands with Amy Griffin who accused. a man everybody can identify in Amarillo. Texas of being a violent child predator. and brutal child rapist. They've got a. real problem there. They were like uh. you can't you can't call your husband a. psychopath. And the at least Legal was. on on alert that day. >> And by the way, the fact that he has no. feelings left for you doesn't mean he. has no feelings.

>> Exactly. What a narcissist. >> Right. Right. >> And like his his one statement he gave. that everybody's had to include when. reporting on her book basically ends. with, you know, I dispute her. characterizations of me in in this book. And I and also I have a loving, supportive relationship with my children. and they are loving and supportive of me. as well. Like that was you could see. that was the one thing he was like don't. go there like do not f with anything. suggesting I haven't been a supportive. dad because and then she talks about in. the book how she writes out how he make.

made fun of her one time she was like. you know you're you're not you're going. to leave me with nothing you're you're. not going to let me have the houses or. whatever and he responded in a mimicking. voice like poor Belle nothing ever goes. her way so you can hear the contempt and. this is her description of how he spoke. to her, the contempt he has for her, >> that doesn't develop overnight out of. nothing. You know, there's a reason for. that. And then the most famous story in. the book that made the rounds that made.

a lot of people want to read it was. about the sandwich. >> All right, so the when he goes back to. the Martha's Vineyard house to tell the. children with her, he's having the. conversation. He's got the plane and the. pilot waiting for him. And in the middle. of. telling the girls like he's leaving. their mother, he looks at Belle, the. mom, and he was like starving. Can you. make me a sandwich? Which does make you. hate him, right? You're like, well,

you're a prick. And then she did it. She. did it. So you're like, oh my god, my. skin's starting to crawl. Like this this. is not a healthy couple [snorts] at all. So, the fact that he would ask her to. make him a sandwich while he's leaving. her and delivering the breakup news is. very bizarre and unhealthy. And I I do. give her credit because I think it was. an aha moment for her in retrospect to. realize she did it, that she did it. And. she describes in the book about how she.

just wanted to make that the best. sandwich he'd ever eaten so that he. would be like, I how could I leave this. woman who makes the amazing sandwiches? [laughter]. Like, they don't have help who makes. sandwiches. Sorry, I don't believe they. didn't have help in the house during CO. I don't even know if I believe this. story because again, if she's going to. lie about the big stuff, I just I can't. trust her in any way. There are bits of. it that sound plagiarized to me, really. Okay, so there's a there's um a very. famous uh scene that has blown up into a.

cultural meme surrounding a very popular. Bravo reality show called Summerhouse. And at the crux of that fight between a. boyfriend and a girlfriend or an engaged. couple breaking up was a sandwich. A. sandwich. Oh, >> now Belle at another point in the book. finds herself on the bathroom floor. Her. husband's leaving her and she cannot get. herself up off not just any floor. It's. the bathroom floor. Elizabeth Gilbert in. Eat, Pray, Love, the cultural cancer. that is Eat, Pray, Love. Talk about. this. Elizabeth Gilbert. [laughter] She.

opens that book and she is on the. bathroom floor of her well tended New. Jersey home at 3:00 a.m. and she cannot. get herself off. And she's like a. 28-year-old healthy woman and why she. has come to the conclusion she must. leave her husband. Does she know why? She does not. Is the guy a bad guy? No. In fact, he's a great guy. He makes a. nice living. He loves her. He's in love. with her. Nothing's wrong with him. She. just wants to leave and she doesn't know. why. spends that book vilifying the.

husband who everybody identifi you know. what I mean there are these tracks that. are just so. >> Amy Griffin on the floor of her closet. >> great primal scream every everyone's on. the floor in these. >> Megan Markle is on the floor waiting for. Harry to come home in tears. >> at least Drew Barrymore actually gets. down on the floor [laughter]. we can see her doing it so we know in. her case it's legit um I want to play. some of the sound bites because the. audience by this point is kind of like. let me have a look at this gal let's. thought 21. This is Bel Burdton on.

Oprah. >> You just brought up finances. I wanted. to say this. I hear a lot of women, a. lot of women have made a similar mistake. >> uh as you did uh allowing your spouses. to handle all the finances. And you write on page 95 about I lost. touch with both the big picture and the. details of our financial life, depending. on James to tell me what to do. I felt. some shame about it, about not being. involved, about not asking questions,

but I was afraid I wouldn't understand. it, that it was too complicated for me. Even though I was a former corporate. lawyer, >> I settled into the vagueness, the. luxury, and privilege of not knowing. >> What do you want to say to all the women. doing that right now? Um, if my book. does one thing, if it makes women pay. more attention to their finances and. what's going on in their relationship or. their marriage financially, I will be so. happy because I think I'm not alone in.

what I did. I mean, truly, who is she talking to? Like the the 0.001%. Yes, virtually all women are paying. attention to the finances. They have to. help pay them. >> Mhm. Mostly usually women are the check. writers and the bill payers and the. purchasers. >> Yeah. So like what I she sees herself as. our our like you know our underdog here. to save the day for we're way ahead of. you Belle. We actually do most of us.

work and pay the bills and it's not. unfamiliar to bust out a checkbook or go. online and pay our bills. Like I really. if this does one thing let it be that. Let me give you a similar one. She goes. on with um this is Drew Barrymore, right? Uh. sat is it 22B? I Yeah, let's play that. one. >> I want this to be an incredible tutorial. on how we as women can really give up. the power and find themselves in.

scenarios where they are very. financially hurt. >> Absolutely. And if I am a cautionary. tale on this one subject, I am happy. with that. >> Okay. Cuz I really I think you've given. a scouts guide for how women can. approach the financials in their marital. life in a way that protects them. >> I really kind of got very comfortable in. not knowing and put you in a terrible. position. It did. I was really at risk.

of losing my financial security. Here's. your scouts guide. Have a $63 million. trust fund. 63. I said 67 earlier. I. think it's 63. Um 45 million of which. comes from a trust from your father, Carter Burdens estate. Um tell everyone. that you don't know how you're going to. make ends meet when you're earning. $800,000 a year. Apparently that was her. income in 2019. That was her income. So,

I think that's over and above what the. husband was giving in the 600,000. because this is before he left her. >> He left her in 2020. This is 2019. She. earned $800,000. in income. >> Um, and had $10 million in assets that. the the husband had no claim to, reports. the Free Press. They had a Tribeca. apartment that last year was listed for. just under $12 million. They had. purchased it for four, so that's $8. million uh in change. All of this is.

this is how she's our cautionary tale. Mory, she's our cautionary tale. >> You know, you look at her with Oprah in. particular. Everything about this. tableau Belle is on cream upon cream. upon cream. We're virginal. We're just. innocent. The big [laughter] bad wolf. came and got me. And she's smiling ear. to ear. She's so excited to tell her. tale of wo. There's not a tear there. We're on Oprah. Megan, [laughter]. we're sitting across from Oprah. >> We've done it. We did it. We. accomplished something. Mommy, do you.

love me now? And then what's the other. thing? >> Look at that. Cream on cream. You're. right. Cream everywhere. >> Oh, and she's So she's she's like, "Yeah, I didn't I didn't understand. You. know, I left it all to him. I do not buy. this fundamental premise at all. A woman. who comes from that level of wealth, has. had a team of accountants and lawyers. and money managers since birth. Since. birth. Yes. Sorry, don't buy it. She's. upset because they have a prenup. And. the prenup that she willingly signed. said that you keep what you come into.

the marriage with. And well, the normal. rule, the default for a prenup would be. you keep what you come into the marriage. with. And then monies that are earned. during the course of the marriage will. be divided between the two parties in. some shape or form, but it'll be. divided. And he said, "I don't want. that. You keep what you came into the. marriage with, but I want I think we. should keep what we earn." like he was. he was only making $200,000 a year. Now. I say only just because he wound up, you. know, very rich at a hedge fund when he.

signed that prenup. So he didn't know to. in his defense, he didn't know he was. going to make it big. Great point at a. hedge fund. He was a lawyer just like. she was. >> He didn't come from money either. >> He came from no money. That's why this. marriage initially kind of worked. because let's face it, you know, it's. like some people marry for love and some. people, especially from this kind of. wealth, choose other things. For her, this guy was, you know, she thought he. was kind of sexy. He was dynamic. He was. an upand cominging lawyer at the same. firm she was, who I think was a little. bit senior to her. So, there's that.

dynamic of, well, he's important. >> and he was a mover and a shaker who was. clearly going places. For him, he was I. don't know if he was from the wrong side. of the tracks exactly, but he had no. pedigree like she did, right? Now, she. had the family background connection to. the Vanderbilts, the famous grandma. The. mother too was high up in the Bloomberg. administration, and she had the 70 thou. $70 million trust fund, which we just. learned about, and so she could connect. him to the right people because he. apparently all along wanted to get into.

leave the law and be a hedge fund guy, which is where the big bucks are. But. it's hard to do unless you have the. right connections. And she did. So. clearly he was using her to some extent. And look, she went into it when he when. they met at the law firm, he was dating. somebody else. So, >> and so was she. >> Oh, that's right. She was too. >> Yeah. So, it started a little like, all. right, you lose them how you get them. Like, be careful how you get them. >> Here's the other thing that she writes. about in the book, which I Oh, by the. way, I forgot. One of her ancestors, John J. >> Oh, [laughter].

okay. Um, >> we have Roger Sherman on Doug's side. >> Who's that? >> He signed the Constitution. He's one of. our founding fathers or the the. Declaration. Yeah. >> Oh, that's amazing. >> I know. Is it so fun? >> Um, >> we should have named Dreadwick Sherman. >> Well, there there's there's I'm sure. that another dog will find his way. >> No, no, there will be no other dog. >> Oh, really? >> Well, maybe in the distant distant. future. Keep going. [laughter]. >> Earmark that name. Um, so she writes. about him. This is what a This is the. allore he had for her. This may have. been transactional, but I don't think it.

was just one way. He He had a little bit. of danger to him. He lived downtown. M. >> he he introduced her to like nightclubs. and like rock venues down there. She was. like, "Oh, my first show like I didn't I. wasn't cool. This guy was kind of cool. My brother was cool. This guy was kind. of cool. He had a roommate who had like. a drug problem, which to someone like. for for that's like, oh, we're now we're. down at the zoo. I get to look at this. like this. I get to feel a little bit. cool, you know?" So, she she I think. that that was an attraction for her. And.

I think, you know, I didn't know that. actually that it's really hard to break. into the hedge fund world if you don't. come from that world. >> Well, because you need access to rich. people, >> you know, that's how you get them to. invest with you and if you've got the. connections, if you're in the social. register, >> which is a thing. >> Um, it's actually a very funny thing. My. my college roommate who I adored, she. was in the social register. She had gone. to Princeton Day School, which is a day. a day school that's, you know, a private. school in Princeton. And I'm like, and. at the time, this is of course back in.

the late 80s, early 90s. I'm like, how. much was that? And it was 15 grand a. year, which is what Syracuse would cost. And I was like, your parents paid. $15,000 a year for you to go to high. school. You wound up the same place I. did. Like I'm like, my parents paid. nothing, just the taxes. And I wound up. here. I don't think Princeton Day school. worked out. But we always had a good. laugh over that. But she was in the. social register. She was like, and and. she would show it to me and like they. they you list the name of your boat. The. little boys are referred to as master, master so and so. Wow. >> It shows all the lineage because these.

people tend to inbreed, you know, like. they want to stay amongst their own, right? They don't really want to welcome. a Marine Callahan or a Megan Kelly at. all. [laughter]. >> That's cool with me. >> Yeah. No, it's fine. They want like. their own. You have to have the right. lineage, the right pedigree. You know, the Blueb Bloods want to. create more Blue Bloodoods. So for him. to have broken in there, that was a that. was a big plus for him, you know, even. though. >> this is great insight into a lot of the. source of the rage and why we have to. publicly burn the husband down.

>> Yeah. >> She gave him she in her mind. >> Yes. >> I got you're not there without me. She's. not wrong. >> and you used me. You you now she knew. the using was obvious. >> but you know but they they also had kids. together. There must have been love. there at some point there. Oh, my. favorite thing, she goes, uh, you know. what really what really really um was. just so dastardly was we had just. ordered a new bed and it was a very. expensive mattress. Very expensive. It. was a Sleeve number which they advertise.

on television. [laughter] You know, there are really expensive mattresses. that go for like $200,000, you know. >> Oh my I didn't know that. >> It's a sleep matt like Elon Musk buys. those. Uh it's a sleep mattress and uh. yeah, one side can be firm and the other. side can be soft and one, you know, it's. like NASA technology. And she's like, "Oh, and our bed frame. It was really a. to get that thing on the bed. frame." Like as if she can't just have a. custom bed frame. You know what I mean? It's like her gripes are so. outer limits. Oh, at some point, I can't.

remember whether I read this in the book. or heard her say this on an interview, but she was talking about how their wine. collection is worth so much money, they. have to keep it off site, it's not even. at their home. And their art, too. They've got some crazy ass amount of. like valuable art. That's what the super. rich do. And that was my first clue that. I should really stop listening to this. woman's tale of wo like [laughter].

the climate controlled warehouse for the. Rothos. [laughter]. But now to see the numbers, I mean, the. New Yorker to its credit did did a deep. dive on like all the finances and and. it's really it's stunning that the the. uh yeah, the $5.4 million home in. Martha's Vineyard, the place in Tribeca, which they just sold for 12 million but. bought for four, so that's an $8 million. profit. Um overall $63 million in assets. and trusts. Again, you might say, "Well, that's tied up. I don't know. I'm not a. trust baby." uh trust fund baby. But. okay, let's say most of that's tied up.

and she can't touch it for some time. By. the way, it's they say it's hers. So, if. she's sharing it with siblings, they. don't mention that. They say that it. that's her 63 million she inherited. Uh. but on top of that, she's got these. degrees. She was making $800,000 a year. in 2019. There's some asterisk saying, well, that that was an especially good. year for her cuz she sold something that. was worth 200,000. All right. Well, that. leaves 600,000. Again, this is before. the 600 per year she was getting from. the husband for child custody. So, clearly she's doing something. And you.

know how it is when you have a lot of. money like that. Money begets money. People will pay you all sorts of money. for whatever. You can start some stupid. ass business and you've got all these. rich people who are used to just giving. money to each other. It's not that hard. So, in any event, yet another. embarrassment for this publication. Hold. on a second. Let me see if I can find. I'd love to find the the name of the. publication. I had it in here someplace. that actually put this out the same as. the one that did the tell. Oh, yeah. Here it is. Dial Press. And in.

particular, there's an editor there. named Whitney Frick. And she also did. Amy Griffin's book, The Tell. The same. editor did both. And she defended The Tell when it came. out that Amy was being accused of. fabricating the whole thing and stealing. another woman's story, which she denies. Um, they came out and said the. following. Book publishers are not. investigators. This is Amy's story. We. trust her and all of our authors that.

they are recounting their memories. truthfully. This is so pathetic. What do you mean? Um, you've disparaged and defamed this. guy, James, whose real name I just said. a minute ago. You've disparaged and. defamed essentially the teacher down in. Texas in in. >> Mr. Mason. >> Yeah. Amarillo where Amy Griffin's from. What do you mean you they are we trust. them that they are recounting their. memories truthfully. That's how you get.

sued like that. What a sherking of all. burden and especially in Amy's case and. now in Bel Burton's once it comes out. from an in-depth investigation that the. Times has done two on Amy Griffin and. the New Yorker's now done one on Bel. Burton. Don't these publishers have a. responsibility. to go back and say we feel the need to. add a note at the beginning of this. publication that we've misled you. actively in something supposed to be a. memoir or like a truthful recitation of.

one's life. This is not non-fiction. This is not fiction I should say. And. same for Oprah and Gwennneth and the. others who whitewashed these stories. Moren, >> that statement from the publisher sounds. to me like a cover your ass statement. because they all have legal departments. This is like a you wouldn't know this. unless you're writing a book, whether. it's fiction, non-fiction, a memoir. Well, fiction is fiction. Okay. Non-fiction. So, ask not. I wrote about. a a large number of the girls and women.

I wrote about are no longer with us. >> Yeah. >> The law in America is you cannot defame. the dead. Yep. >> And yet I had legal eyes on that book. from inside the publisher, Eight Ways to. Sunday. On top of also paying, they. don't fact check it, per se. They just. try to protect themselves from a. lawsuit. As the author, it's prudent to. spend your money to hire an outside. factchecker to make sure that everything. you've got your eyes dotted, etc. That's.

a cover your ass statement. They're. trying to say, "We didn't have a lawyer. Look at that. It's a memoir. We just got. to trust the writer. That's all on her. She's getting sued. We're indemnified, which they're not. And how this woman. has a job still. >> I know. Out of my mind. >> Honestly, like beware if Whitney Frick. is the editor on your book. That's her. attitude apparently toward truth or. falsity and what's being buil as a true. story in the form of a memoir. So, good. luck with that, Gwennneth. Um, good luck. with your project on Netflix. Now, I do. want to talk about a book that deserves. to be on the New York Times bestseller.

list because I just want to tell you. quickly. Um, my husband Doug's Brunt. Doug Brunt his book The Lost Empire of. Emanuel Nobel is crushing it. It's doing. really well. >> Amazing. >> And the It's very hard to say this for. any book. The reviews have been. uniformly. raves. They've been He's gotten such. great reviews on this and it's selling. well, too. And I just wanted to read one. to you. It's it's you'll hear what it's. about in this review, but this guy, we. don't know him. Uh, his name is Steve. Eubanks and he wrote a very long great.

review. not not very long but a nice. in-depth review and I'll read you some. of it. Uh he goes on first of all that. the best non-fiction writers are ones. who started in fiction because they know. how to tell a tale. They know how to. spin a story for you so that it's. interesting and um then they can use. those same same storytelling abilities. when they write the non-fiction work. which is exactly what Doug did. Um so he. says yeah the biggest compliment you can. give a narrative non-fiction book is it. reads like fiction. Enter Doug Brunt, who had a best-selling fiction catalog.

before shifting gears with the wildly. successful The Mysterious Case of. Rudolph Diesel, which I praised to the. rooftops when it hit. But there's always. the risk of a sophomore slump. Many. great writers have one book in them. The. follow-up always tells the tale. Well, fear not. Brunt's newest book, The Lost. Empire of Emanuel Nobel, is at least as. good, if not better, than his first. Like diesel, most people only know the. name Nobel because of Emanuel's uncle. Alfred, the inventor of dynamite, who. created the Nobel Prize. But what you. don't know is that Alfred did not.

conjure his invention out of some dream. His father, Iman Emanuel, was an. explosives expert who created the first. contact mine, blah blah blah. Uh there. wouldn't be a Nobel Prize if not for. Emanuel, however, who stood up to the. king of Sweden and wanted the family to. contest which wanted the family to. contest Alfred's will. And then he goes. on to talk about learning stuff in. school that it turns out was not true at. all. How Doug disproves it in this book. He says, "This is not just a book about. an industrialist, although it would be. excellent if that was its only.

storyline. This is the most fascinating. history you will ever read about the. Romanoffs, Rasputin, Lenin, and. especially Joseph Stalin. Brunt takes. you places your history professors dared. not tread for fear of ticking off cranky. old commie department heads with. dandruff on the shoulders and their. tweed jackets and teeth the color of. naguh hide. I don't know that that is. but that sounds fun. If you want the. real story of the Russian revolution, its devastating impact on the Russian. people, Europe, and the rest of the. world, read this book. Um and then.

here's just one more. There's more. though. He says never writes this. The. best ones don't. But the subtext of. Nobel is that the revolutionary impulses. that darkened Eastern Europe and led to. 70 years of death haven't gone away. And. he goes on just talking about how timely. the book is. He says, "Read this book. and recommend it to others. You won't. regret it." [snorts] That's incredible. >> So sweet. Such a good one. That's. incredible. That's so exciting. You. know, we're lucky enough we have Doug on. the nerve tomorrow.

>> Oh, yay. >> Which I'm really excited about. And I. was think I was really thinking about. it, you know, because when Doug he um he. left a copy of of the book for me the. last time I was here and he prefaced it. by saying, you know, I don't necessarily. think it's your thing, but I'm just. going to leave it for you. >> And it that was really sweet, but I I I. was really I was thinking about him and. Nobel and I had obviously read some of. the book and loving it. Uh but I was. like the we write about very different. things but we definitely have a similar. interest as authors and that is in.

hidden parts of history. Yeah. >> And people lost to history and there's. nothing more fun whether you're a writer. or a reader in digging that up. >> And you both have a great [music] gift. of a writer which is an economy with. words. We'll be right back. Hey, thanks for watching today's full. episode. If you're new here, throw us a. subscribe. See what you think. Stay in. touch. There's plenty more goodness. where this one came from. As always, we. really do value your feedback. So, email.

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That's promo code MK at. urgentcarkit.com/mk. >> Oh my goodness, Belle. We got some. talking to do. Girl, >> I see that you've marked the book up. Andre, >> marked the book. I wanted to do [music]. this book because there are so many. friends that I've had who've gone. through this. >> and I feel like I've gone through it. with them. [music]. >> Yes. You are every woman that you have.

written the manual for every woman. This. is this is book is just it's a memoir of. marriage but it's also a memoir of every. woman who's [music] gone through. divorce. >> You are every woman. >> Oprah is so out of touch. [laughter] I. mean this is I I have to recant because. the other day you know I know you did. this as well. Gail on call her daddy. >> Yeah. with the finding the friend in bed. with the husband and you know my. producer Marina and I we went through it. together and I was kind of like I can't.

help but like Oprah in this moment. She's being a good friend. She's like. what do you mean HE'S DRIVING YOUR BEST. friend who we just to the train. station. What are you talking about? And. I'm [laughter] like everybody does need. an Oprah. And then I see that and I'm. like no no no catch [laughter] yourself. before you you go any further. You are. every woman. Really? Really? >> No. We were just talking in the break. about what what makes us resent this. woman and I was saying I can't stand the. fact that she took a spot at Harvard and. at NYU Law and and apparently just used.

them those spots and those degrees to. get her MRS degree, which is what she. really wanted. There's nothing wrong. with getting wanting to be a wife and a. mother. Stop taking up other people's. spots at these institutions if that's. what your goal is. It just pisses me off. because there are a lot of young men and. young women who would kill to get a a. spot at one of those institutions and. then would use it to actually make a. difference in this world and then sit. around after you know the husband leaves.

you because you got uninteresting and. you let yourself go and you were already. boring to begin with. You gave up the. one thing that would have given you. something to discuss when you came at. the dinner party uh dinner table at. night and say I don't know how to make. ends meet. Like use your damn degree. Go. practice law. Hang out your shingle. Do. something. Like the ineptitude, the the. helplessness, the feigned helplessness. projects a weakness that I really. abhore. Here's another theory of the case. What.

if she's not that bright? What if she's. a good student and could do the. memorization and test taking and had all. the top tutors to help her through and. all of the special dispensations and. then she got a nice cushy job because of. who her parents were. But what if she's. not that bright? She's clearly not an. original thinker. She couldn't even. craft a story that could hold up to. scrutiny for more than a year. >> As soon as the New Yorker took one look. at it and [laughter] was like, "Why. don't I check the marital assets?". Although, you know, my theory is that he.

gave he gave the financial he gave the. divorce settlement or like papers from. the divorce proceeding to the New. Yorker. >> I think you're dead on. >> I'm sure he was sick of this narrative. Like, >> of course, >> who does she think she's kidding? >> Of course. And he's got to he's got to. run around New York City circles with. this on his back. You know, his. reputation. counts for something in the world he's. in. You're asking people to trust you. with great amounts of wealth. and she's. out here trying to assassinate his. character, trying to with his life. in every way possible.

>> And every woman down on the talk show. circuit line has bought it hook, line, and sinker. The Oprah treatment, the. Gwennneth treatment, the Drew treatment, now the Netflix treatment. And this poor. guy is like, you know what? It it was a. complicated marriage. I choose not to. say anything because he's smart. He he. realizes coming out there and saying, "Let me tell you what a nightmare Bell. was is not going to win him any fans. It's not going to win him all these. women who now hate him back over. He had.

an affair." But again, what preceded it, what was going on in the marriage, that's really not disclosed. She makes. it sound like, "Oh, it's just a total. surprise." And then these these quiet. admissions about letting herself go, not. being interesting, not going out, not. having sex, not doing whatever. Okay, so. enough about Belle Burden, but she's. this is the greatest book promo she's. had. Um, okay. I want to talk about CBS. News. Wow. A lot of drama over there. So, I didn't realize that now in the. wake of like Bloody Sunday, um, they.

only have three correspondents left. It's Bill Whitaker, Leslie Stall, and. some other guy who's like a sports guy. over there. I can't remember his name. That's it. Everyone's been fired. They. fire Barry Weiss fired the executive. producer. She fired the top two female. correspondents. Anderson Cooper quit. Obviously, he was not in line with the. new management. He he chocked it up to, "Oh, my busy life." But the the timing. was not accidental. Um, just as the.

Ellison's took over CBS and they came. under all this scrutiny, you're trying. It's funny because there's a divide, you. know, that the leftwing thinks that. Barry and the Ellison are trying to. trumpify CBS and that's why they're. leaving and no longer watching. I I. disagree with that. I think the. Ellison's would like to make CBS. somewhat more Trump friendly because. they want an in with the administration. They want the administration to approve. all of their mergers. Barry can't stand. Trump. Barry is a nonwoke. Trumphating liberal, which is fine. That's who she is. But like there's. Barry's definitely not trying to like.

do more and more pieces that fluff. Trump. She may be trying to inject a. little bit more fair and balance into. the 60 Minutes pieces here and there. I'm sure that's what Scott P objected. to. Um, that's not a bad goal, right? 60. has gotten so far left. Scott P, Leslie. Stall, they all hate Trump. That guy. Bill Whitaker, the fluffing he did of. Kla Harris in that one ridiculous. interview. Like, they're not wrong that. 60 Minutes has a bias problem and it. leans left. Um, my my issue about how. this is going down, Moren, is of.

course Scott P is a pri and deserved to. be canned long ago. He's totally. unrelatable and he's very biased. However, irrespective of the fact that what. they're trying to do in like fixing the. editorial over there, you know, I I. think as somebody on the right side is. something that's laudable, they're not. handling it well. Whenever the drama of. inside your company blows up to the. point where it is a multiple day story. on every news outlet in the country, you've done something wrong. You haven't.

managed your talent and your off-air. talent well at all. And it's part of. what a good leader does. Yesterday I was. explaining Roger Als and how whenever he. had to demote somebody or lateral move. somebody, he always made it seem both to. them and they'd know, but definitely to. the outside world like it was a. promotion. He and he would put personal. skin in the game to make sure it looked. like that because he cared about his. people. Sometimes you're not making it.

in the ratings. That's unfortunate. But. he wouldn't fire you, you know? I mean, honestly, he did it to Gretch and. Carlson. She was hosting Fox and. Friends. That wasn't working out. She. wasn't fun. And he So, he gave her her. own solo show in the middle of the day. No, no offense to Gretchen. I was in the. middle of the day solo, too. Um, but it. actually was a promotion for me and I. wound up going from there to the time to. the prime time. With with Gretchen, it. wasn't because Fox and Friends was one. of our highest rated shows and she. wasn't working on it. But he made it.

look like it was good. He gave her her. stash. she got to name it what she. wanted, whatever. I wasn't just thinking. of her. There are many, many people who. did this, too. And then they don't run. to the news media and start complaining. Now, she wound up complaining about him. in a different way. [snorts] But my. point is simply, when it's spilling out. like this with this drama, and now the. other the last remaining three are. threatening to quit, something's gone. very, very wrong in the way that the. problems are being managed over there. What's your take? >> Well, you and I have been talking about. this for a while, ever since she took. over. And I remember saying to you that.

what I have heard is that uh very like. impeccable source. Uh Barry's terrible. at managing people. Terrible. She was. terrible at the free press. You know, she she's very lucky that the Ellison's. came according because the free press. started off as very buzzy and kind of. electric and then it just it fell flat. Like nobody talks about it anymore. People were leaving. The staff morale. was terrible. She doesn't listen to. anybody. She's busy having dinners over.

at Bill Aman's private residence being. told what a genius she is. Yeah. You. know, and so she, you know, and I. remember saying to you like she you. can't go in and fire the entire. newsroom. Like your job coming in is to. have a little bit of humility and say, you know, what can I learn from you? What can you tell me about this storied. institution? You know, and when you've. got like people who are Leslie Stall is. like 84 years old and she's going to be. like this, I don't need this. I don't. like you're going to have an empty. roster. I mean, my problem with 60. Minutes is that it's just gone soft.

Like Mike, since the days of Mike. Wallace, it is. >> Murderers Row, what it used to be. >> What a murderer's Row. What a what a. compliment to be. When I was at the. post, somebody was like, "You're on. murderers row." And I was like deeply. thankful. You know, that's a real. compliment. >> They were great. >> You want to be on Murderers Row. And now. it's like they're doing softballs of. like, let's go visit Adele in her. mansion. You know, it's like, who cares? What is this thing doing? Why does it. exist? So Barry goes in there and one of. the first things she does is steals an.

on-air opportunity from one of the. correspondents by doing that town hall. with Erica Kirk which bombed. >> I'm sorry but there is I've said this. before more to broadcast journalism than. just the journalism piece. Barry with. all due respect is not a television. personality at all in any way. She's. not. And she failed. It was a miserable. exchange. Erica is a very interesting. person. Um, love her or hater and I. realize there are a lot of people there. who feel strongly about Erica. I love.

her. Um, she's interesting. You could. make an interesting interview with her. You know what I mean? Like you could. definitely go to very but Barry chose. her favorite issues and tried to zero in. on those without realizing those don't. have mass appeal. >> and and and also stole the on air. opportunity from an on air talent. You never saw Roger Als doing his own. interview. You didn't see Chris L or. Jeff Zucker, the bosses at CNN. sequentially go take the big interviews.

from Anderson Cooper or Caitlyn Collins. Most people have no idea who's been. running MSNBC all these years because. that person would never swoop in and do. the job of the onair talent. Barry Weiss. did that because Barry Weiss wants to be. a star like you said. And I'm sorry, whatever you think of Barry Weiss, let. me tell you that the on air talent don't. like her. >> and they don't appreciate this. So, she swoops in. She's gonna rule with. an iron fist. There's a report report.

out today that she said to David. Ellison, the son of Larry. Uh, what's. your what's your tolerance for pain? And. he said, "Hi." And so they fired Scott. Pen and played the tough guy. Like, yeah, yo, you're out of here, Scott P. And no one's crying any tears. over Scott P. But on the on the heels of. firing Sharon Alonsy, the other woman, the executive producer who they just. lost an executive producer. This was the. new executive producer. >> Um, so three women, by the way, last. week,

>> great point. >> Fired in one fell swoop. Then Scott P, that's four in seven days. And he came. out, Scott P said that he said to Barry. in front of the staff, why did you fire. the executive producer of the show? And. she was like, "I'm not answering that. question." Okay, you can do that. You. can say, "I don't owe anybody an. explanation." And he's like, "Why did. you fire Sharon? I'm not answering that. question. Why'd you fire the I'm not. answering that question." What? You can. play hard ball all you want. What is.

that going to do to the existing morale. within CBS News within 60 minutes? It's. going to make everyone hate you. You. won't even say why. That's their boss. That's the person, not their boss, but. that's their colleague with whom they've. been building this show now for many. months during a tumultuous time. And all. they know is you've canned her. It makes. everybody feel unsteady. I'm sorry, but. there's a way to handle people. And she. doesn't know what it is. And clearly. neither do the Ellisons. They're. enjoying their little two minutes of.

power. Like, yeah, my tolerance for pain. is high. them. all of them. Let's red wedding them, you know, from. from Game of Thrones. And you can feel. really good about yourself for a while. until you see the bad ink start to pop. up in publication after publication. after publication and people like Steve. Croft start to come out who was part of. Murderers Row and say what what are you. doing and and there there's a sound bite. by Steve Hold on a second where's the. one where he was like where is this. Steve where's my se my segment on the.

CBS s I'm looking on a very long s list. um no no the recent one no the recent. this from April. Okay. Well, I don't think this is it. No, Steve Croft is out there today. I guess. we don't have it. Um, but he says 60. Minutes. Oh, it's a print. Okay, never. mind. It was in print. Uh, he says 60. Minutes is a shadow of its former self. He's like, he says it's it no longer. exists. Uh, yeah. Sorry, it was an.

interview with New York Magazine. The. firings are too substantial. It seems. almost impossible for me to imagine what. kind of a show they can put on in. September. It is very difficult for me. to imagine a world without 60 Minutes or. a show like 60 Minutes which is not. afraid to take on the government. You. see the timidity all across broad the. broadcast schedule right now. Um and all. of this is self-created. It's. self-inflicted. You know, I wouldn't necessarily trust. it if my boss says to me, "My tolerance.

for pain is high because I'm going to. think that's going to boomerang back on. me someday.". >> Yeah. >> David Ellison's tolerance for pain is. not going to be super. She's not going. to last more than a year in this job. No, she's not. And I also listening to. you read that and what Steve Croft had. to say about the hollowing out of 60. Minutes and how they'll never rebuild. it. I actually think that what's going. on here is that Barry doesn't know how. to create. She knows how to destroy. She. knows how to be in opposition to.

something. She made her name with that. open letter to the New York Times saying. the editorial page has gone too woke, too left. She wasn't wrong, but that's. how she made her bones and how she got. her venture capital to found the free. press, which was exciting for a minute. and then it flopped, right? And now. we're over here at CBS and we're not. creating new things. We're not creating. excitement. We're not bringing in people. to make something bigger or better. She's destroying it because I don't. think she knows what else to do. Yeah, I.

know. And honestly, you can't swoop into. 60 Minutes, fire all the top staff. without any explanation, and then expect. the remaining ones to do exactly what. you want them to do. It's not a prison. camp, right? This is not forced labor, >> right? like you are not the Gestapo. Like just ease up a little. These are. human beings. They've built their. careers there. They've put in a lot of. blood and sweat and tears at at CBS. And. listen, I I CBS is leftist. It's. whatever. But like these people have.

worked there for a long time. And they. not like us, but they respect Scott P. They love 60 Minutes. They're not going. to take well to this. So I really I said. from the beginning, you actually can. fire everybody. And that's what you're. going to need to do. If that's if you. want this kind of change, yeah, then you. better fire them all. Or you're going to. have a very unhappy work staff sitting. there very resentful of you and looking. to undermine you at every turn. And they. can. They're like the CIA. They will be.

leaking on Barry now to the end of time. She already has taken a massive black. eye. And it's only going to get worse. She doesn't understand that she's going. to conduct meetings like that until. Scott Py basically off. and that. that entire full of investigative. journalists isn't recording this and. going to leak it to everybody they know. She is she that thick and wait for the. next mistake you make and the next. meeting and the one after that because. they're loyal to him, >> not to her.

>> That that's the truth. Okay, I'm just. giving the dynamics inside a newsroom. I'm not defending Scott P, but these are. the dynamics inside a newsroom and they. do need to be managed like any. corporation. You can't just go in there. like, "What's your tolerance for pain?". Hi. Then let's start hurting people. Oh, great. What a wonderful place to work. [laughter]. Um, here, by the way, is. Topra. That's Tony Dokapul. Oh, right. Yeah. The one who's always crying. He. should be crying because his show has.

never seen worse ratings. Um, lionizing. Scott P on the way out. The one they. just fired. Here's what he said. Sat. six. He was in some ways a man from. another era. And that's not a knock. He. didn't watch the competition, he said, because he knew who he was. A journalist. who valued truth at all costs and always. kept alive the memory of colleagues. killed in the field. A reminder that his. chosen line of work could be a dangerous. one. But P also made one major break.

from the past. He changed the signs. around here under the CBS Evening News. logo where Scott Pelly's own name would. have been. He instead wrote the CBS. Evening News with all of us. Well, Scott. from all of us. Thank you. [laughter]. That read sounded watched like an obit. Like he's dead. He's dead. He may as. well be dead cuz he's not 60 anymore. So.

he's dead. We can bury him. So, there. was just on the break I was looking at. uh the Daily Mail and they have this. amazing piece about Scott P uh this this. woman who interned for him years ago. You know, my my whole thing with Scott P. is I cannot stand the taking of the. readers on off and putting the arm of. the readers into our. >> Scott often. We're just we're so we're. such an intellectual and I got to put. them back on. >> and they care about the news. Marine. >> Megan, this former intern who now works. in the media says she was in the control.

room working for him. >> and she saw him instruct the cameraman. slowly zoom in on me as I remove my eye. and it's like William Hurt in broadcast. news, right? She said from that moment. on I was like this you can't take this. guy seriously. >> Oh my serious person. >> that that is so like with all of us. So. that's perfect because it's it's the. same way that somebody's like I I don't. like to talk about myself. I never talk. about myself. I I only know my friends. are really interested in talking about.

me for some reason. So I'll talk to. myself about them because they ask. But. like I hate to talk about myself. I. would never. It's narcissistic and it's. self-centered. But you know, a lot of. people do have questions about me. So. what would you like to know about me? Right? Like that's that taking putting. all of us instead of like with Scott P. while night after night he's insisting. he's the ultimate authority on every. story. He he is the ultimate knowit all. He's in not in the business of learning. anything. He proved that time and time. again is just perfect. That is chess.

kiss on brand for him. We played the. moms for liberty site yesterday. He's. such an arrogant jerk trying to tell. these moms for liberty uh who are on. there lamenting porn basically in our. school libraries. Um that it was a. figment of their imagination and that. they make things up and then they don't. back them up. It's like this is not a. question of opinion. It's a matter of. fact. It's been proven over and over. A. Supreme Court case acknowledged it, but. he never corrected the record. That's. just one example here. Interestingly, um.

well, here's more first before we move. on to that. Jimmy Kimmel uh had some. thoughts on Scott Py last night. Saw. five. >> Last night, the Trump suckups at CBS. fired a uh great and deeply respected. journalist, Scott P from his job at 60. Minutes because he stood up for truth. and integrity at a show that's been the. gold standard for broadcast journalism. for 57 years. He said, "The collapse of. values at the top has become untenable.". And he let him have it in a staff.

meeting right to the new guy's face. Okay. Uh 57 years. I I would guess it's. more like 42. >> Mhm. >> 60 has not been respected for the past. 15 years. >> No. >> Like they they did go hard left. We. could see it. The Leslie stall the. laptop can't be verified. >> Right. Right. >> Which we only knew about because Trump. tape recorded it himself. You know, like. she didn't air that. >> Right. >> The the ridiculous fluffing of Kla.

Harris. that was insane during the. campaign trying to make her sound better. than she was. >> All of it. You know, we the audience. knows the the. >> it was terminal. >> That Sharon Alonsy who got fired. Again, I'm not defending her journalism. I'm. just saying that the handling of it has. been very poor. But she was the one who. was giggling about the crackdown on free. speech in Germany, like the arrest of. people for their opinions. That's right. >> She thought it was hilarious. That's. right. Like you clearly saw a woman who. wanted to bring that over here to the. United States. So it it has not been the. gold standard for that long. And it.

actually is interesting because Steve. Croft, in addition now here speaking out. to New York Magazine, he went on with. Bill O'Reilly recently. >> Really? >> Yes. Which I thought was very. interesting because clearly they have. different political sensibilities, but. they're both kind of older, grizzled. news guys, you know, >> so there seemed to be a mutual respect. there. And um he did lift the dress up a. little on what it was like to be on 60. Minutes during the heyday, you know, the. 60 Minutes. >> And the answer is not great. Listen.

here. 6B. >> I can remember when I was tapped to go. to 60 Minutes. I thought this was. fantastic. And I expected to a lot of. people would just come up and said, "That's really great. I'm really happy. for you." Whatever the thing, >> right? >> And then you realize after a while that. not everybody was happy that I got this. job, [laughter]. >> right? There were other people, but then. there were other people that wanted it. and and so then you've all all of a. sudden made a bunch of enemies and um.

and that's it's just you know it's a. snake pit. Okay, it's fascinating that he used that. word. I actually put this in my book. When I got offered the prime time spot. at Fox, O'Reilly was my mentor, but the. name the name of my show came from a. segment I had done on O'Reilly for years. called the Kelly File. >> Mh. >> And um I talked to him about it. He was. one of the first people I talked to. about it, like what should I do? Should. I take it? What, you know, how should I.

think about this? And um he encouraged. me and but he warned me and he said. cable news prime time is a snake pit. and was really kind of warning me to. watch my back. Um, he's not It's interesting to hear. somebody like Steve Croft, who I always. looked at as like just a tough shoe. leather reporter. You know, he's. definitely a lefty. His interviews of. Obama were just downright shameful. >> He was in love with Obama. >> Shameful. But, you know, I begrudgingly.

accept that when not doing a political. story, right, like where his politics. made their way into it, he he would do a. good job. um that even at 60 there was. that like that jealousy that makes. ascension to a top spot a real. you know double-edged sword. There can. be serious positives. You know in many. ways you succeed on paper but like the. downside to success is it's enormous. You know all of your colleagues in his.

case turn against you. Some of mine did. at Fox 2 um out of jealousy or. competitive feelings. And then the. outside world starts paying a lot more. attention to you. I would say not so. much in Steve Croft's case. But. certainly at Fox and even in this role, the the you know, more success you have, the bigger target you are, the more. people misrepresent you and just hate. you for kind of no reason other than you. you make them feel bad about themselves. in some way. But it was interesting to.

hear somebody like like a man like Steve. Croft talk about that that dynamic. And. I'm sure it's probably true for all of. them. >> It is probably true for all of them. You. know, it's interesting because at 60. Minutes, and I don't know if it will be. the case going forward, but they would. typically assign one correspondent to. presidential. um contenders and then as it as the. field winnowed, you know, Croft was. assigned Obama and he was lucky and that. Obama got elected and so Steve was. Obama's guy. Every time Obama did a 60.

Minutes interview, he sat with Steve. Croft that he owned that, right? So. that's a that's a great thing to have. But I think it's interesting to you're. right to hear a man talk about like what. we typically consider like sort of more. the province of mean girl stuff. >> Yeah. >> You know, competition, jealousy, um sort of like an aggressiveness that. can feel subterranean. >> Do you think it's every industry like at. that level? I was going to ask you that.

>> I I don't media is bad. is very bad in. terms of its toxicity for sure. You. know, I was with Sean Ryan last week and. you know, you can't go online right now. without seeing multiple attacks on me by. these bots that are clearly paid for by. AI firms that are very, very pro-Israel. who have decided I need to be destroyed. because I'm not in favor of this war. And this is like swimming in a stew of. toxicity. And at this point in my. career, I've gotten used to dealing with. that. It doesn't make it any more. pleasant. But I was wondering like, do.

you think it's every industry? And I. think the answer is it's a lot of them. I think a lot of the people listening to. this right now have some measure of this. in their day jobs. >> Oh, sure. >> Where like if they've ascended, they're. a target. Or even if they're whatever. position they're in, there's somebody. who begrudges them. The job, the. success, the benefits, the the respect. of the boss in the in the company, you. know, there's always something. And. people, as my therapist always says, people are complicated. you know, they. they need to work out their issues on.

you sometimes, >> you know. I think I think it I think it. happens at uh every point of your. career. And I was thinking when I was. first starting out and like, you know, I. was ambitious and I was competitive and. I wanted to do the best job. I wanted to. be better than the person next to me and. I wanted to get the promotion and and. and that's I you're kind of at least I. was under the impression that as you. rise if you're lucky enough to because I. think luck is a huge factor no matter.

how hard you work um that it somehow. would lessen right that as you get. >> your life is going to get better. >> you're going to make a little more money. you're going to have a little more. institutional respect more people in. your field will know who you are It'll. get easier and and in fact sometimes I. think it can get more intense, you know, because now you're fighting for fewer. positions in rarified air. I'm sure it. happens like at like at like the world's. best medical facilities. I'm sure it is. a snake pit, you know, top neurologist,

right? Or in at if you're at Tesla or if. you're in tech or like I think it's. everywhere. I think it's I'm sure it's. like even like who got to go on that on. that most recent moon voyage. >> Who got to go? You could hear little. rumblings like. >> why is the why is the head astronaut is. it is it dei it's I don't think it was I. think it was the most qualified guy who. was also medenic right because you have. to now be mediaenic up in outer space. you got to project some confidence you.

know what I mean. >> it's true. >> yeah I don't know. >> well I feel like most people go through. this and they they go through some sort. of toxicity in their job that makes them. question like how great is this do I. want to keep doing this I for me I've. always lucky in that I love the news. I. I love talking about the news. I love. reading the news and I love delivering. the news. I think like we do it in a. very compelling, I think, entertaining. way, which is what our brand has been. That's why people come to us. They trust. us and they know that they're going to.

get the news in a way that's. interesting. It's not going to be like. some borest. >> like you can get from Scott P where it's. not only boring, but it's wrong. It's. like [laughter] it's biased and he'll. never correct it. Um, in any event, uh, I don't think Scott P is going to wind. up on a podcast anytime soon. I think. he's he's probably thinking that's. beneath him and he's too like important. for that. My prediction would be next. move will be like PBS, you know, like a frontline type program. That'll be his ride off into the sunset.

It won't be independent media. I. guarantee you he thinks that's. [laughter]. >> beneath him. It really it really only works if the. arm goes into your mouth and it's. unhygienic and some poor minion of yours. has to pick up your eyeglasses and clean. them. I would put I would put his future. with a side of like teaching media. studies at like Colombia. >> Oh god. Or at the Kennedy School. >> Uh yeah, Kenny School of Government. Sure. The fake Harvard. >> Um okay. Moren stays with us. We got a.

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>> Thank you. >> That's exactly how I'd want to spend my. time on the beach, just sitting in a. chair under an umbrella listening to the. nerve. It's shoot it into my veins. >> Megan, thank you. >> It's the truth. You know, I feel that. way. Um, okay. I don't exactly feel that. way about Dr. Jill Biden, but I do feel. the need to get to an update on her. because she won't stop herself on this. book tour. She she continues to go out. and about and um here is okay is it um. here's the slip she did on Morning Joe.

when talking about. the joint presidency she shared with. Joe. You tell me. Listen to the pronouns. in SAT 8B. >> Me Doug I thought we were a great team. Um, we chose Kamla. Joe chose Kamla to. be BP and um, so we were supportive of. her. >> What? We We chose Kamla. Not Not he. We.

>> Oh, I'm so happy to be talking to you. about this because I just want to get. out of my system. Yeah, >> we're over at the nerve, but this to me. is just like this is just a malignant. narcissist who will not leave the stage. and is in insistent upon bringing all of. us into her delusional reality in which. she had no idea anything was wrong with. her husband. No idea. And um she says we. chose her. We chose her. That isn't even. factually correct because if you. remember the palace intrigue at the time.

they were forced into it. The news. dropped on a Sunday. Normally it's a. Friday news dump. So that was how like. perilous this whole thing was. They. really finally got him to sign the. document like I won't run and this is my. announcement. >> Kamla immediately begins getting on the. phone whipping the votes whipping the. votes. Whipping the calls getting in. like that's how Kamla got the. nomination. It wasn't because the the. Bidens hated her. >> Yeah. They hated her guts and they were. forced to take her as his VP too even. though she had called him a racist on.

the open debate stage because she's a. black woman. That's why. And Jill. apparently was the one who never forgave. her for that at the debate. >> Yeah. Oh, Jill Biden can't stand Kamla. Harris and it's mutual. So, it's like, okay. And she's she clearly seems kind. of bitter at her and her complaints. Um, there was this moment at the 92nd Street. Y in New York on Tuesday where she was. doing her book event. And guess who made. a guest appearance? Awkward AF, as the. kids say. Sad 8. >> Oh, Joe has a question. [laughter].

like you couldn't ask it later. >> Who do you love most in the whole world? [laughter]. >> Whoopee. Whoopy. [cheering]. >> That pisses me off. And the reason that. pisses me off is that if they had their. way, he'd be president right now. This pisses me off on a human level. because I've got I I can speak as.

someone who has a living parent with. dementia and another parent who died of. cancer. Now Joe Jill's out here going, "Oh, you know, it's been very hard. Joe's got stage four cancer." Very, very. difficult diagnosis. Yeah, I I know. Well, I would no sooner drag my father. out to a book event. Oh my god. To have. to dress in a suit. Do you know how. innervating that is for someone who is. that sick? >> Yes. And then to have to sit there for. two hours and be transported back and. forth. And not for nothing, traffic in.

New York right now. It took me two hours. to get to you today. It normally takes. an hour. We've got the World Cup. We've. got the Knicks. We've got graduations. happening. It is gridlock everywhere. That is not a kind act that you do for. the man you say you love more than. anybody, which apparently she doesn't. cuz now it's Whoopy Goldberg. And and. like he's infirm. >> Just take one look at him. love more. than anyone else in the world. And that. was the most they could have him do. That was the most the twisting of the,

you know, the turn behind the the Barbie. could deliver. >> And literally they they wanted him to be. the leader of the free world right now. Only because Trump stopped him did it. not happen. I mean, it's incredible to. me to see him as he deteriorates even. further. Just the obviousness of their. lie. Of course, we all knew it. I'm just. saying like there it is, the evidence, more evidence of it. and it's so glaring. and it's gling. Okay, so that's what's. happening over in Jill Biden world. Good. luck with your book. That was the one. thing Joe Biden gave us that I liked. I.

liked his saying, "Good luck in your. senior year.". >> Wait, wait, what was that? >> And he just randomly says it and it. works for me. I don't know. It's just. like a good kiss off. Good luck in your. senior year. Um, okay. Uh, Blake Lively, something interesting happened on the. show this week. So, there's a woman. named Victoria Burke. Is that her last. name? And she came on the program. because. she is the one who.

came up with and drafted that 47.1 law. that will allow a woman who sues. somebody for sexual harassment and then. gets slapped with a defamation lawsuit. as a counter claim by the guy. It'll. allow her to recover her attorney's fees. times three. if the defamation claim gets dismissed. >> It was a way of evening the playing. field. It could be the man who's getting. harassed. I I handled a case like that. when I was a lawyer, but usually it's.

the man harassing a woman, let's be. honest, because men are generally in the. power position still. And um. she was trying to help disempowered, unconnected, poor women who get. harassed, stop, >> right, a really powerful connected guy. from making her life a living hell by. giving him some skin in the game. If you. hit me with this defamation claim and I. managed to make it go away, you're going. to have to pay me my attorney's fees and. whatever actual damages you caused me. times three and punitives. So, it's a.

severe penalty. Blake Lively tried to use it against. Justin Baldon. Right now, after walking. away from this lawsuit, which was. from the start, she's trying to. make him pay this so she can declare it. a victory. And Victoria came on the. program and made quite a bit of news. about what's happened here. Listen, listen here. >> I received a communication from her. attorney that Blake was intending to now. move 47.1 nationwide, including she. would be moving it to New York. And I.

responded, um, I'm already doing that and can you. please check with me before going. forward because my whole strategy was to. fly this under the radar because we. basically usually don't have much. opposition. And I said, there's often. times your client is compared to Amber. Heard. And so I would prefer you check. with me and just stick with like. mentioning the California part without. mentioning it's being moved nationwide. because I was worried that this is going.

to become just a PR campaign. for her and it wasn't going to be about. survivors anymore. It was going to be. about like I didn't want her to turn my. bill into the Met Gayla. >> Amazing. And that's what Blake Lively is. doing. So there this whole thing is about her. trying to emerge Moren as a champion of. women trying to bring that 41 point 47.1. provision nationwide. She's the one who.

stole it from Victoria Burke and. expanded it nationwide cuz she's Blake. Lively who was terribly sexually. harassed by Justin Baldoni, champion of. the ladies. Meanwhile, the originator of. the whole bill, who actually was the. victim of a sexual assault, unlike. Blake, is saying, "Please don't do that. If anybody's going to bring it national, it's going to be me who has learned how. to get this thing passed in four states. so far, and I neither need nor want your.

help, and they're not listening to her.". So, Blake Lively is going to do even. more damage to women. It's not enough. that she's damaged any other woman who's. going to come forward and say that man. sexually harassed me because now it's. synonymous with this. Right. Yeah. Now. she has to further on not only the. author, the hard one authorship of a. bill and the author who says, "Please. don't do that. There is an entire. strategy here that you don't understand.

You're a actress. get out of my. lane and I'm trying to help women of. lower socioeconomic class than the likes. of you. And Blake says, "No, I'm going. to do what I want." Like, it's so on. brand. It's like, just burn it to the. ground. I just want I just want her, you. know, Ryan's out there right now. >> promoting his Rexom series, you know, trying to just be Mr. Relatable Guy like. these two. Yeah, you know that. Welcome. to. >> No, but it sounds an awful lot like. another word. >> You're so right. [laughter] Nominative.

determinism. Wreck them. Wreck them. >> Who wants No, rectum. That's what I. >> Oh. Oh. Oh, you're [laughter] filthy. >> I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. >> Oh my god. So, uh, yeah. No, but she's. just burning it all to the ground. Burning it all. Not enough. Not enough. Like, if she really wanted that Taylor. Swift invite to the wedding. Yeah. Now, it's definitely not happening. If she. was on the bubble at all, Taylor is. definitely crossing you off the invite. list. >> It's so humiliating. I just feel like. she truly is all about her. Even in.

defeat, we knew that she was trying to. make herself look like a victor by. filing this thing and pinching Justin. for potential millions. But I didn't. realize this piece of it until this. woman came on our show and broke this. news that it's about much more than. that. It's about Blake trying to make. herself look like she's a champion for. all women and to bring this provision. nationally, even though the author of. it, an actual victim, does not want her. interfering. And basically, it's stolen. valor because Blake's like, I with all. my money and resources, I can do this.

faster and better than you can. Meanwhile, she can't because she's a. nitwit. She doesn't understand the. strategy. And this woman also was saying. it was never intended for use by. somebody like Blake Lively. She said. that also in our extended interview was. saying like we talked about how she is. the empowered one. She's the one in the. in the richer, more connected power. position versus Justin Baldoni. She. doesn't need a defamation. law tweak in order to protect herself. from Justin, right? It's like he's the.

one who would, if any thing, would need. protection from her. >> Anyway, she's such a small person and. that's been exposed through this whole. lawsuit. So, so that's a blessing. >> Um Ted Dansen, I know who who saw this coming. I didn't. either. It was just in my feed. yesterday. I'm like, well, this is. interesting. Ted Dansen is one of the. people who has done blackface in the. most infamous way possible. He did. minstral show blackface. I think there's. a difference. There is a difference. between, you know, blackface in that.

somebody wants to look like Diana Ross. and they tint their skin with like. tanner and this. We're showing the. picture of him in like what they used to. do like in the 1930s. with the white makeup around the mouth. and the black like shoe polish on the. face. Um, which is I mean whatever. You're not allowed to say either one is. okay. Trust me, I learned that the hard. way. But this is just obviously so. degrading and nobody ever had an idea in. modern history that this would be okay. except for Ted Dansen. So he did that in.

1992 at the Friars Club in a roast of. Whoopi who was his lover at the time and. she helped him write it and was totally. in on it. And so he went on this podcast. with W Kama. Kama Bell W. Kam Bell. And um he was so. self flagagulate. Let me just give you a. feel for how Ted sounded. S 29. Why I. would like to address this is and.

apologize. forever. I am I know what was in my. heart. >> Yeah. >> So I have no problem talking about this, but I need to and want to apologize for. the rest of my life because somebody. today can go on the internet, you're. right, and go, "What the fuck?". >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Wow. I feel betrayed. I feel angry and. whatever. And I did that. >> Okay. So, let me tell you something. about this Kam Bell. After the 2024.

election, he um this is the headline. from him. Voters ran toward racism, misogyny, and xenophobia. If Kamalo was. a rich white man, the race probably. wouldn't be as close. The country still. has an uninvestigated race problem that. we are afraid to investigate. Um, [snorts]. after I said my comments on NBC about. how I didn't like when I was growing up, Blackface wasn't like a you wouldn't get.

cancelceled for it like in the '7s and. the ' 80s. Um, he came for me. He. started ripping me and was unforgiving, unapologetic or whatever. Unforgiving. entirely of me. Let's see how he handled. Ted Dansen who not only talked about I. never wore blackface, just talked about. it. Let but Ted F Ted wore it in minstal. show. Let's hear what he said to Ted. >> I do want to give you uh some more. flowers around the fact that you. demonstrated to me how to apologize in.

public. >> Thank you. How to say oops like how. [laughter] to go and around an issue. And I'm sure you know what I'm referring. to. >> I do. You were. So we can go anywhere. you want but only be because it's you. >> Yeah. Okay. that. Yeah. I don't want you. you were the you would be the person I'd. want to go talk to. >> And when you did my podcast, I want to. give you a little flower. We nipped. around the we you didn't even we weren't. nipping around it. But you said.

something, I said something and we both. looked at each other going, >> "Ah, I know what you're talking about.". And you said, "Yes, I do." And we'll. move on. >> Yeah. >> Which was full of grace. It went on like this for quite some. time. Ted Dansen talked about how he. went to some race like expert sat with. her for an hour. >> to, you know, expunge the sin from his. head and heart. >> You know, he did the the mandated.

therapy basically and to make him. non-racist, I guess. I guess. And uh he. got flowers for that, too. This was like. a lickfest by this Kam Bell who is. completely forgiving of Ted Dansen. because he was self flagagillating over. it. I don't remember Ted Dansen ever. coming out when I was twisting in the. wind at NBC and saying, "No, she's not. wrong. It wasn't just the 70s and the 80. and the 80s where people would do this. and think it wasn't a problem." I did it. at the Friars Club in 1992 in the worst. way you could possibly do it. And I.

didn't realize when I did that that it. was incredibly like all these I love. calling attention to this because all. these people let me twist in the wind. >> I know Jimmy Kimmel's done it too. I. mean, I don't know that it's ever really. been okay, but to to dawn it, but what. Ted had going for him in that moment is. he was with Whoopy Goldberg. They were. having this hot affair and everybody was. really really like attract like you. couldn't look away because it was like, you know, >> Ted Dansen was such a good-looking guy. even now. And Whoopi Goldberg. Yeah.

Like I think he left his wife for Whoopi. of many years. >> He suggested this was racist, too. The. fascinating The fascination. No, that. was not it. That, trust me, it was not. it. It was like this very handsome, talented, masculine guy with like Whoopi. Goldberg who doesn't look like she. bathes very often. That's it. [laughter]. She's not She's not as attractive. And. you know, Whoopi took like half of that. heat. And she was like, "If it's okay. with me, it's okay. So, you can't you. can't assail him." And everybody loved.

him. Right. What was the other thing I. was going to say about this with the. with the uh oh oh what what that host. said about you know America's still got. a very big race problem. >> uninvestigated. >> uninvestigated really. and I was thinking about this. last night because I was watching the. Knicks game which was electrifying. quarter and you watch these guys on the. court you know it's and and and a mixed. race crowd and everybody's behind their. team that's it and New York one of the. most polyglot cities in the world.

Nobody gives a what color your skin. is. They're just in it for the nicks. That's it. And we are the melting pot. and we love it. So, you know, off. with this uninvestigated racism. >> Oh my god. Like uninvestigated? Are you. kidding me? Like it's Do you watch. MSNBC? Have you seen them over the past. six years? Cuz it's been investigated. CNN 2, they've been investigating it. Trust me. But I just love how all these. people were like, "Let her twist.". Because she said, you know, people used. to do this in the 70s and the 80s and. they didn't get cancelled. like this was. something you would see. Turns out NBC I.

said that on NBC and my show was. canceled. NBC's biggest star did it. Ted. Dansen. Um not to mention Zack Graph, the one on Scrubs. Oh, he did. They'd. been airing that on Scrubs two years. prior to my comments on NBC. Uh Lan. Deiseps from The Real Housewives. >> That was a flash. >> She did it on Broadway on Bravo. >> It was a flash. >> That that's the segment we were. discussing. >> Oh, really? >> That was the segment we were discussing. But my my point was simply like it was. everywhere and you didn't always get. canceled over it. That's what I said.

>> Lann survived. >> Yeah. No, it was just ridiculous. But. [laughter] but Ted Dansen let me twist. in the wind. Twisted. >> So you twist too, sir. Although not on. Kamab Bell's show. He's going to give. you lots of flowers because you're a. self flagagillating leftist. Moren, a. pleasure, my friend. >> Always lovely to see you. Love you, Megan. >> Can't wait to tune in to the nerve. Recommend you all do it as well. I'll be. listening right alongside you. We're. back tomorrow with somebody I've never. interviewed. best-selling author James. Patterson. Now, we'll see if if he has. gotten a review like the ones Doug is.

getting. [laughter]. Something tells me he has. Uh but I'm. looking forward to meeting him and it's. going to be fun. So, we'll see you then. Thanks for listening. Until [music]. tomorrow.