The "Living Diet" Secret, Avoiding "Visceral" Fat, and Value of Fermented Food, with Dr. Sean O'Mara

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show. Oh, do we have. a treat for you today. All right, let me. tell you how this came down. So, I love. RFKJ and I heard that he was doing this. very strange diet. Sounded very strange. to me. It was all meats and quote. fermentss. And I wasn't even sure what a. ferment was. I mean, I knew sauerkraut. was fermented, but I honestly beyond. that, I had no idea. Well, there's a.

whole school of things that are called. fermentss or that you can ferment, and. it's a vast category of eating that may. be available to you if you are so. interested. And this diet he was. pursuing is basically meat, preferably. grass-fed, grass-finished red meat with. fermentss, period, pretty much period. The couple couple other things. Um, and. then one thing led to another and I. found out JD Vance was on this diet, too. Then eventually the Wall Street.

Journal did a piece on it and said that. Shawn Duffy, the transportation. secretary, was on this diet and it said. Howard Lucknik, the commerce. secretaries. I'm like, what is what is. this? Who is behind this? And it turns. out it's a guy who's a former lawyer, now doctor, and retired US Army Colonel. named Dr. Shawn Omera. Now, he is a. physician. He's an expert in metabolic. health and he his big focus is something. called visceral fat, okay? And also.

human performance optimization. He. believes that you can get better, not. just get older, that you do not have to. go on a downward slide as you go into. more advanced age. That you actually can. get better and better. That you actually. can grow more hair on your head if you. want. that you can be at your strongest. And by the way, the exercise piece of. this is totally doable and does not. require you to be at spin soul cycle.

classes non-stop. All right, it's a meat. and microbes diet. It pairs. nutrient-dense animal meat with. fermented foods, but you got to be okay. eating pretty much just that. um and all. sorts of other things that will optimize. your humanity, you as a human. Um it's. not about losing weight, it's about. losing visceral fat which is around your. organs and you can have this even if you.

look thin on the outside. So I said to. my team, can you book this guy? Let's. let's book this Dr. Sean. I want to I. want to know about more uh more about. this. The next thing I knew, I was in an. MRI machine. So, I didn't even know how. it happened. Kayla and Abby, Kayla's the. new Abby, um said, "You're going for a. full body MRI." I'm like, "I am? I've. never had that done before." So, I went. and I sat in it and they give you like. the quick rundown on how you did via the.

computer, you know, like at the place. and it was basically like you're good. You know, you got a couple small things, but you're fine. And then you meet with. Dr. Shawn and he he tells you his. assessment. Well, he was looking for. something very different from what the. computer was looking for and he was. looking at visceral fat. And let's just. say I didn't get an A. All right. And. the the the word um tophi was used thin.

outside, fat inside. So for a day and a quarter, I I'm doing. this diet now. I am a day and a quarter. into the Shaun Omera diet and he's here. today to walk all of us through what it. is and why he is so convinced it. revolutionizes health. Don't miss a. moment. Subscribe to this show on. YouTube and follow me on Insta,

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gotten to know each other pretty well. over the past few days. So, let's just. start with a little background on you. because I for kicks, I was looking. through your Instagram and back in 2016, you were definitely talking about. wellness, but you weren't yet on this. So, how did you get to the point where. you're like, I've got it. I know what I. need to do to eliminate this fat. >> So, uh, my background was I was a former. criminal prosecutor and then I decided I. wanted to go to medical school. I was. disillusioned with the practice of law.

I really didn't feel like I could make. the choices that I wanted to to make as. a professional. >> Y. >> and so I went back to medical I went to. school. I had to actually take a bunch. of college courses to be able to get. into medical school just to apply. And. when I became a physician, uh I got a. scholarship through the army. I. practiced like a typical physician. I. took care of people in emergency rooms. That was my formal formal uh formal. training. and people fell apart and they came into.

the ER. Lots of bad things happened to. them. But those bad things were slowly. happening to me. And I met this young. guy in the hospital gym and he was in. great shape and I was just complaining. about what most people complain about. getting heavy. I was fat and I wanted to. lose weight. So he told me, "Do the. Paleo diet, eat fermented foods, start. sprinting outdoors." So, I did those. things and I did lose weight. Uh,

previously I was drinking skim milk with. Hershey's chocolate powder in the. emergency room with a gallon of skim. milk. That's what I thought was healthy. And I was eating apples. I wasn't losing. any weight. And uh I just got sick of. skimm milk with chocolate and apples. Wasn't losing weight. But when I started. eating these fermented foods and when I. started to sprint, then I lost weight. But the other thing was I didn't nobody. told me this but I had had uh high blood.

pressure. I had aoscriotic. cardiovascular disease. I had erectile. dysfunction. I had uh a enlarged. prostate that I would have to wake up. five times the night to pee. Um I had to. put toilet paper in my underpants. I. mean this is embarrassing to me. I was. 48 but I was you know draining liquid at. the age urine at the age of 48 and it. was humiliating and I and I suffered in. silence. The urologist couldn't help me. Uh I was really desperate and when I.

started eating these fermented foods and. started to sprint I didn't have any. expectation that I was going to get any. better. I just thought I was going to. lose weight. The other thing I had was. precancerous lesions around my. esophagus. So I had a condition uh in in. my esophagus called Barretts esophagus. that were uh these precancerous changes. in the in the cell type lining my. esophagus. So heartburn, years of. suffering heartburn taking all this.

medicine. It all went away in about one. year from eating these these foods and I. was astounded. I mean I was mad. I was. upset that none of my medical training. did anything for me to help me get. better. And so I remember consciously. making a decision morally and. professionally that I had to investigate. for the sake of my own understanding and. moreover for patients because I couldn't. see anything in the internet. There was. nothing in my medical training that.

explained how my erectile dysfunction, how my prostate shrank, how I went from. peeing five times a night in the middle. of the night to nothing and how those. precancerous lesions went away. My. gastronurologist couldn't explain it. He. says, "You've been cured. I've never. seen this.". >> And you were like, "It's all thanks to. Patrick.". >> Yeah. So, >> do you know Patrick? >> Um, well, I was attributing at that time. to uh this young man who taught me to to. eat this this paleo food, but um but.

lots of people were doing this before um. I was really I think giving it a try. This is about 2009. And so because I changed so much, I. became a researcher. So I made a. sacrifice. I had five kids. >> We're this Catholic family. I was. sending my kids to to Catholic schools. >> And I cut back to working part-time. while I volunteered full-time doing. research for the National Science. Foundation. So it was taxpayer money.

NSF is funded by the taxpayer. And um it. was it's one of the great things that. goes on in government that they can fund. some really important science and one of. them was my research project that I did. with a colleague who was uh Dr. CJ Zen. and he was the one that taught me first. about visceral fat and so we targeted. visceral fat. He had been doing research. for the University of Washington looking. at athoscottic cardiovascular disease. and he knows the people that had the. most amount of disease had this white.

stuff. He called it white stuff inside. the abdomen. And he's got this thick. Chinese accent and he said, "What is all. this white stuff?" So I said, "What is. all this white stuff?" And he. investigated and he figured out was. visceral fat. And so he and I set up a. research practice. We applied for. funding through the National Science. Foundation. We studied, CJ and I studied. for seven years full-time visceral fat, fat around the heart, and then fat. within the legs, volunteering. CJ and I. never took a penny. We both did this.

full-time. And uh it was an enormous. sacrifice, you know, for my family. professionally to to to do this, but it. allowed me to see for seven years, Megan, this dangerous fat that nobody. else was talking about. It wasn't taught. in medical schools. It's not part of the. curriculum in medical schools and it's. not part of the the curriculum of. training for resident physicians. When. they graduate from medical school, you. start specializing either in cardiology.

or gastronurology or in my case. emergency medicine or some other variant. of surgery. None of those specialties. train physicians to look at this fat. >> You never hear it mentioned at your. annual physical, etc. No, they talk. about cholesterol, other things. But. when we started studying it in 6,000. Americans, we noticed when we got rid of. that fat and told them, we learned how. to get rid of it. We had an MRI scanner.

We were scanning people sometimes every. single day. We learned how to target. that fat and get rid of it. We noticed. they got better. are they they're all. their other chronic disease that they're. admitting to arthritis, uh berscitis, erectile dysfunction, dermatitis, uh. eczema, all these conditions. Uh in. fact, every form of chronic disease in. those 6,000 Americans, we never found. one that didn't get better or go.

completely away depending on how long. they were eliminating this visceral fat. It went on for seven years. And so it. became my life mission. I'm like, I'm. going to share with America how to get. rid of chronic disease because it not. only allowed people to get better and. eliminate chronic disease, but they end. up looking better and performing better. >> And then I got excited because I. thought, well, you know, corporations. are going to find out about visceral fat. because they're going to want their.

employees to have a wellness program. that eliminates visceral fat so they. perform better. productivity would go. up. You know, they would um reduce their. health care costs that many corporations. have are burdened by. The second highest. amount of cost to a corporation behind. salaries and wages is actually health. care costs for a self-insured company. And so it gives me great hope that. America uh will eventually embrace this. even even though it's not taught yet in.

medical schools that corporations are. going to find out about it and they'll. say by golly we're going to pay for. visceral fat education and elimination. of employees so that productivity goes. up and what a great what a great. objective I mean think about improving. productivity across America. We in. America are to blame for chronic disease. because we introduce processed foods and. then we spread it all over the globe.

leading to disease all over our. lifestyles and our diet. We need to. redeem ourselves and share these. insights about this dangerous disease, this disease process that for the most. part nobody has any idea that they have. inside of them. Can you can you tell us. about the coroner who called you? >> Yes. So um after being on social media. and sharing about visceral fat, a. coroner pathologist reached out to me. was doing autopsies and studying.

hystopathology of tissues underneath. microscopes. And she goes, "Before I. found you on the internet, I thought I. was the only doctor in the world that. had figured out that all this fat inside. of people, visceral fat, was causing all. this disease." She would do autopsies. and she noticed the ones that that that. died from chronic disease had all this. fat inside them. The ones that had. beautiful arteries, beautiful muscle, beautiful tissue, and were killed.

tragically in a car wreck had none of. that. they didn't have that amount. disease. So, she realized on her own. just her eyes. She's a great scientist. and doctors who pay attention to things. that develop can see the association. this disease because it's not taught in. medical school. However, there are over. 25,000. published studies on visceral fat. showing its association to disease. It.

is definitely documented and known in. the literature, but it's kept out of the. lives of doctors. And if you don't. believe me, ask all your doctors to tell. you about visceral fat. Show ask them to. show you visceral fat on on your MRI. scan. It's the largest thing in your. body and they won't even be able to. point to it. >> And you don't you don't know how much. you have just based on your outside fat. Like you can be a a tophi, right,

>> where you're thin. People would say, "What do you mean?" And it's not a diet. like I'm going to lose weight diet. It's. a way of life, but. >> it it you could be covered in it and not. know if you haven't had this MRI. testing. And the scary thing, Megan, and. you sharing that is the people that are. tophies like yourself that have very. little fat on the outside and otherwise. look seemingly healthy and attractive. and everybody says, "Oh, Megan, you're. great." And and uh so and so, you're.

great. But meanwhile, they have this. disease inside of them. They have a. higher level of mortality than the. patently heavy obese person. >> Why? Well, as it turns out, this fat. that's on the outside of your your body. is made up of a particular type of fat. called superficial subcutaneous fat. And. it's abbreviated S SAT. And this. superficial subcutaneous fat has a. molecule in it called adopeneectin. And. atapenectin is protective against.

disease. So what does society teach us? >> This explains so much about my lineage. My mom, my nana, they both my nana was. always overweight. She lived to 101. My. mom, she loves when I tell everybody. that she's been overweight her whole. life. She's 85. Yeah. But I'm I'm thin, but I'm I'm tophe. Keep going. >> And so, society teaches you that you. need to be thin and glamorous and to. have a six-pack. But the reality is I. think I'm the only physician except for.

physicians that train with me and learn. about these fat depots and learn that. the relationship as you eliminate that. fat on your body. And then you proudly. display a six-pack, you are accelerating. your exposure to disease and we see. higher amounts of fat around the heart. We see more visceral fat, more fat in. the muscles. And the and the. bodybuilders, you know, are also. championists and poor women. die young a. lot body by. >> they do the latest study came out from. sudden cardiac death shows that in just.

amateur bodybuilders um their rate of. mortality from sudden cardiac death is. 10 to 15 times that of an average person. these are ostensibly healthy people. lifting weights but if you're a. professional bodybuilder even more. aggressive about eliminating that fat. your risk for mortality first sudden. cardiac death is 90 to 180 times.

greater. So it's I call it like what it. is. It's the most dangerous sport and. profession in the world is bodybuilding. at a professional level in terms of what. it does to your health. But the scary. thing is a lot of women are getting. involved in that and there's CrossFit. and I see a lot of female clients have. come to me and people online have. shared, you know, how they they fell. into this body this body image of having. a six-pack like the guys. And then they. confided to me that it gave them a dude.

face. >> They they got a masculine looking face. >> and their their voices became. emasculated. Um they weren't as. attractive. And if your audience just. goes on the internet and starts, you. know, looking for photographs, googling. or using AI to find photographs of women. with six-packs abs, very often their. faces are cut off or their faces are. blocked. But if you see their faces, they're not as attractive. And women.

have written to me that they've had. procedures where they they've had tummy. tucks and lipos suction and they've. removed the fat on their abdomen trying. to get that sculptured look and then. they express regret because it changed. their face. They're not telling women. that they lose their pretty faces and. women need to have attractive faces. Women influence culture and they have a. role in society and their face plays a. role in it. So does a man, but it's a. little different way.

>> But all the studies show that attractive. people, people who are deemed attractive. by whatever your societal standards are, do better in life. They they get more. attention, they get more money. I don't. know. It's just. >> they do they use that term, and I know. you don't like influence. They're better. influencers. And so by that term, I mean. their ability to help whoever they're. dealing with understand the information. that they're trying to convey. So for. example, you are healthy. Your level of.

fat was way lower than most people, most. average people. You do have disease. inside of you, but because you have a. lower amount and you you have the best. amount I have actually seen of any. social media podcast host that I've ever. been with and done this before. So, you're at the top. You definitely have. some areas to work with, and we'll work. work on that area together. But your. ability to influence your audience is. predicated on your face and your body. And the signal that it sends. >> and your brain to to be able to.

articulate those words, but your. appearance says, "I hunt well. >> and I can help you hunt well and live. better. >> I can get us a bison.". >> Yes. >> Come with me. >> Yes. And people want biologically they. don't understand, your audience doesn't. really understand how wired their brains. are to pay attention to the appearance. of people and their performance so that. they can live better. But. >> and what you're saying is that.

biological everyone can get there. You. actually can get more attractive. >> 100%. >> Like I said, potentially with more hair. I should note these claims have not been. evaluated by the Food and Drug. Administration. Consult your own doctor. But um I've seen it. I've seen it in. you. I've seen it on your Insta. I've. seen it on your phone. We've talked. about numerous cases. Um even thin. people can get more shredded. Like you. can see the muscles come out, but not. like obnoxiously, but just more ripped. Um and the biggest benefit I think well.

I would argue on top of just being. healthier or you're going to live longer. ideally uh is you feel better. You you. have been making the case. Kennedy has. made the case you feel much more. mentally acute. So what's happening. there? >> So as people eliminate disease, the. disease process includes better improved. blood flow. So our arteries are. diseased. I mean they teach us in. medical school uh and in physician.

training to feel for p pulses. You. should actually see pulses. Your. arteries should be so clear. And. >> you were showing me that we we were at. the store together. You held out your. arm just like just sticking your arm out. to the side and you were showing me I. could see your pulse in the in the crook. of your arm there. I mean just you just. held it up and there it was. Every time. you did it I saw it. >> Yeah. It's a great it's a great marker. of health, better perfusion. So when. your blood flow is better, your brain is. better and so you become more. articulate. You can access information.

in your brain and do better arguments. So this is a desirable feature. So lots. of uh recently senators and congressmen. politicians have been finding out about. this and so I work with quite a few of. them now to help them improve their. performance. >> You got a lot of work to do. it's a rich field out there. >> a long hall. Yes. All right. So now. let's go through it because the the. number one thing I I'm thinking that the. audience wants to know because it was.

the number one thing I wanted to know. when I heard about this was what about. LDL? You eat red meat all day and we'll. talk about it, but like some dairy and. cheeses and eggs, like actual eggs with. yolks. And I, you know, we can all feel. our cholesterol going up, which every. doctor on Earth, the American Heart. Association, do a Google search on this, will all tell you if it's high, it's. going to kill you. That's a bad thing to. have go up. The LDL, the HDL is the good.

stuff. So, the higher numbers there are. okay. it's the LDL that they want us to. worry about and they putting putting us. on statins about and like every doctor. says that. So what about the LDL? >> So LDL is the darling of not just. cardiologists but really mainstream. medicine. Physicians tout it. And so. virtually every conversation you have. with your doctor is dominated by. discussion of cholesterol and LDL and. these markers and metrics associated. with it. However, you know, keep in mind.

LDL. uh cholesterol, these are natural. molecules that are made in your body. Your body utilizes cholesterol, needs. cholesterol, makes it to create cell. membranes to build hormones. You can't. even have a hormone without cholesterol. So just from the premise that we're. giving medicine to try to lower. something that your body make is making. should give people a little pause and.

wonder if that's the very best strategy. that we ought to be having our. conversations with providers dominated. by. But here's my opinion. I really. think the discussion about cholesterol. and LDL has been hijacked and really. engineered socially by the the powers to. be in the system and I don't want to get. into conspiratorial kind of discussions. but the system that is behind the. largest part of economy which is. healthcare it dwarfs oil you know oil is.

nothing compared to healthcare and by. the way it's increasing at about twice. twice the rate of our GPI. So basically, if you're smart with numbers, we are. medically bankrupt as a nation because. of chronic disease keeps going up. And. meanwhile, the system is profiting from. it. It's a small number. I'd like to. figure out where all the that pots of. money are going that is leveraging and.

profiting from the disease of not just. Americans, but the our entire species. And this is a phenomena that goes all. over the country. So cholesterol is the. wrong thing to pay attention to. There. are 8 billion people. Name one person, if anybody in this show listening today. can find the one person that ever. optimized their their level of. cholesterol or the LDL and enjoyed any. health benefit. It's a new it's a change. in a number, but it doesn't eradicate. disease. It doesn't really have any.

strong benefit. the president of the. American uh College of Cardiology. dropped to the the ground on on a stage. in San Francisco San Francisco. I think. it was like three years ago when they. had their meeting uh of cardiologists. and I had a heart attack. >> Oh no. >> I mean really the president of the. college of cardiology, okay, has a heart. attack. And by the way, the average. person that has a heart attack has.

normal levels of cholesterol. So why are. we spending so much time, money, effort. on cholesterol? Well, here's here's my. opinion. Because if the something more. useful came out, like disease, LDL. cholesterol is not disease. Visceral fat. is disease. It's structural disease. You. can measure it. It doesn't change in a. few seconds or minutes. It's reflective. of your lifestyle. So, your report card. really goes to how much of this fat do. you have inside this disease. Let's not.

just call it fat. The better way is to. be scientific and educated about this. Not all fat is the same. There's. unbelievably. dangerous fat, disease fat, like. visceral fat and heart fat and fat in. your muscles. And there's unbelievably. beneficial fat like superficial. subcutaneous fat. And by golly, Shawn. Omera wants the people to know that. there is a big difference and to. understand those two differences. That's.

your report card. I'm a health. optimizing physician. That's my. specialty. I've left working in. emergency medicine. I work with people. that want to look better and perform. better and function better. And I could. follow any metric in the world, but I. don't follow LD and cholesterol. I. follow these disease processes because. nothing in my seven years of research. and since I've been doing now for 13. years have I found that's more valuable. for human being to work on to improve.

how they look, how they perform, how. they live than getting rid of this. disease. >> And so it's high time that it gets added. back or gets added into the curriculums. of medical schools. And by the way, the. curriculums of medical schools uh in. America are followed around the world. I. mean we have carried uh this this. concealment of this disease process to. all the medical schools around the.

country. No other country. It's not like. you go to c you know physicians in India. or Bangladesh or cutter know anything. about visceral. They don't. It's all. it's like I'm having that thought again. Somebody wake me up from this nightmare. Nobody knows about this unless they. actually are researchers and start. studying it. And the big difference is. we didn't just research it. >> We didn't just see how bad it was. We. figured out how to get rid of it. And. then it was like surprise of my life.

People got really good-looking and they. performed better. I just thought they. would get healthy. How naive I was. I. just thought they, you know, would lose. this. >> You're making America hot again. >> Yes. I mean, I even went to a modeling. agency and they said, you know, I said, you know, if your your models find out. about visceral fat, they'll their. careers will last longer. And it's. terrible. They held up a stack of of. resumes, this thing and said, "Well, when they don't look good, we got all. these new girls that are coming in to.

replace." I was so sad. >> I'm looking forward to watching uh Bobby. Kennedy and JD Vance and Howard Lutnik. get hotter. >> Yeah. And you know, they they are becoming. healthier. looking. >> Yeah. >> And uh and because they're becoming. healthier looking, they're becoming more. um better performing and better. influencers. So. >> So I'll say this. I So I you and I have. talked about this. My audience knows my. dad died of a heart attack at age 45 in. 1985. So I've lived my whole life since.

age 15 worried about having a heart. attack young. And it's scary to me to do. anything that's going to jack up my LDL. just because of the conventional wisdom. I've been raised on. All the doctors say. the one thing, but now more and more. functional medicine doctors are saying. we have put way too much emphasis on. that number of LDL. And there's even a. split. I know Peter Aia worries about. LDL, but like my hormones doctor doesn't. worry about it at all. She's much more. worried about protecting my brain with. my hormones and cholesterol protects. your brains and so on. So, it's just.

there's a split. So you and I talked. about my own comfort level is to try it. I actually I I am in the midst of trying. it and plan to continue and then some. measure of months in maybe three months. we said possibly I'll go back to my. cardiologist who I see every year for a. stress test and a scan of my arteries so. he can see what the fatty buildup is on. the walls and I will see where it is. So. I like for me that's good because then. I'll be able to look inside. We'll do.

the MRI again and we'll see if the. visceral fat has gone down. But I'll. also take a peek inside with a. cardiologist just to make sure nothing. catastrophic is happening and people. should consider that if they want to try. this because we both measurements would. be good to have. >> Absolutely. So maybe it would be good to. actually show a picture of this this. heartfab for people to actually see. Uh. maybe I can put in the camera get a. better view. But this uh. >> this image and I think uh your editors. will put these images in show three.

different hearts and you can see that. the top image is from a 28-year-old that. died from a motor vehicle accident. Okay. >> And uh and then the middle image shows a. picture of somebody who's uh I think 38. who um died from a a my from a heart. attack. And you can see half their heart. is covered with fat. The image on the. top is barely has any fat around it at. all. >> Where's the fat on the second heart. there. >> in the the yellow? So all that yellow is.

fat around versus the top image. They. have just a little bit of fat around the. arteries. >> Oh, for the listening audience, the the. entire front of the heart is in yellow. >> Yes. >> It's covered in fat. >> Yes. And the bottom image Oh, what's the. bottom image? There's not a single area. on. >> the bottom image looks like beef. Wellington. >> Yes. >> Fat in in the heart. >> And the scary thing is, Megan, I haven't. had a single 50year-old or older ever. come to me that didn't have an image. like the bottom one.

>> And nobody knows this is going on. So, how do you think your heart can function. with all that inflammatory fat. surrounding it? So what I do is I image. that fat and I. >> losing losing fat on your body through a. diet or exercise does not mean the. reduction of visceral fat. >> No. So you said it best in the. beginning. It's we're not talking about. I don't promote just losing weight. I. promote losing visceral fat or what I. like to say lose disease. You don't want.

to lose weight. >> Yeah. I don't want to lose disease. Yeah. >> And what we find out is when people lose. weight and they they lose disease that. they actually put on healthier tissue. So look at this 87y old guy. Um maybe. the screenshot they can take another. screenshot of that and u maybe I have to. move the. >> we'll improve it on the post game. But. in the uh image, visceral fat shows up. as white in the bottom. And so his atom.

is pushing up. This 87y old man, his. belly is bulging. Yep. And then to his. right, you see how a flat his ad got. He. lost so much visceral fat. He no longer. had a dad bod laying down on the table. when he's going the MRI. He's got now. has a flat abdomen. But the dark. structures that are around his his side. right here are the oblique muscles. The. on the side image right there is the. oblique muscles. And so his oblique. muscles got bigger 40%. He's 87 years.

old. Wow. >> He didn't take testosterone. He didn't. take peptides. He didn't take stem. cells. He didn't take any hormones at. all. He built muscle and got rid of. disease. And he's 87 years old. So, what. I like to tell people is our ancestors. You talked about you're you're going to. lead the hunt. You use that expression. Our ancestors in the past, the oldest. women and the oldest men, the very best. led the hunt. They led the fight. They.

led the tribe because they had two. things. Gray hair, which is conoted for. wisdom and experience. Megan Kelly today. knows way more than Megan Kelly when she. was 20. That's for sure. >> And so that's why you lead this show and. you lead so many Americans because of. that experience. The future of. professional sports will be football. players in the NFL who are in their 50s. and 60s will be the highest paid because.

we're going to get rid of disease that. they don't know about right now and. they'll actually perform better. So, a. really uh cool kind of a story is take a. look at this football player who's come. who just came to me this past week. Uh. he has uh a chronic disease um that is u. Parkinson's and he's very open about his. Parkinson. >> Oh, I know who this is. >> So, this is Brett Favre and he gave me.

permission to share. I don't talk about. my clients. >> Everybody loves Brett and Brett. Brett. is is attacking his Parkinson's and now. he's attacking it by trying out. eliminating visceral fat. Of those 6,000. people, I didn't have any Parkinson's. So, I went on the internet a couple. weeks ago to my, you know, ex community. I said, "Does anybody know Brett Favre?". And all my community reached out. Some. of them knew them and and they went to. to Brett. And so Brett came to me and.

he's working on getting rid of his. Parkinson's by get eliminating his. visceral fat and optimizing his. microbiome. >> And just so people know, like I was uh. there's a gal Jordan Peterson's. daughter, Michaela Peterson. She is has. been all over YouTube for the past. several years talking about how in her. case I think she said she had bipolar. and she also had an autoimmune disease. and some other problems and she seems. very sensitive to things like molds and. certain foods and so on. Long story.

short, she wound up going beef only beef. only as like an elimination diet and she. stayed on it for I think eight years. Now, that's not your your diet or your. way of eating, but it's like a sister in. a way. And she eliminated all of those. problems. Like, she she got rid of. bipolar by eating the just meat and her. autoimmune issues by eating just meat. So, it's like it is pretty remarkable. because some people may be thinking you.

can't cure Parkinson's with diet, but I. I'm not sure we know that's true. >> Yeah. So what it turns out I think and. there was a study that just came out. this week supporting that that uh. microbes inside our gast intestinal. tract which are amount to our. microbiome. This this collection of. species of microbes again not well. taught in medical school but at least is. addressed and it's emerging a lot more. These microbes have been found to be. associated with Parkinson's. And.

moreover, there was a study that just. came out about four months ago where. they were doing fecal microbiotic. transplants where they take some feces. from superhealthy humans, transplant. into people that had Parkinson's and it. was reversing their motor deficits. That. means how they move, how they walk, their capacity for motor movement of. their muscles. So Parkinson's uh is a. disease that has a very strong impact. So but it's not just Parkinson's. The.

microbiome is ultimately going to play. an enormous role that we're going to. find out in many areas of chronic. disease, disease that afflicts human. beings. >> That makes so much sense if you look. back to what we've been doing to. ourselves with the processed food, right? And and also the overprescription. of antibiotics where we just absolutely. destroy our microbiome. Yes. And then go. along our merry way without thinking. much about it. Maybe take a probiotic. That's it. But we're not actively. building up the variety of good bugs.

>> Correct. >> That your diet with the fermentss in. particular. >> Exactly. So to your point about the. carnivore diet um which um Michaela. Peterson promotes and does you know she. her version is the lion diet just eating. meat and salt. I think she was eating. specifically ruminant meat like lamb. Yes. >> And so what. >> what's ruminant? What's ruminant? >> Ruminate is means uh animals with. ruminants. And that's really interesting. because they have a special type of uh. uh you can think of as specialized.

stomach that they eat vegetation and. they ferment it. >> Oh, so fermenting vegetables unlike like. chickens and swine pork they don't have. rins. So this fermentation takes place. and fermentation is going to be. >> You love fermentation. >> I do. I mean, I love Secretary Kennedy. because he put in our national. guidelines, God bless this man. I I. don't know of a politician that did.

something more important than Secretary. Kennedy, putting in fermented foods, recommending. it to Americans, and also to emphasize. the microbiome. These are going to have. enormous. contributions to our country if. Americans adopt this and listen to this. great leader. Wait, I completely agree. Love him. Um, but you were going to make. the point Michaela Peterson is doing the. lion diet. So, she's with ruminant meat. and salt. That's not this diet though.

because you allow more than ruminant. meat. >> No. So, ruminant meat, this red meat, uh, does help because it's eliminating. processed foods. So, you don't eat any. processed foods and also vegetables. So, what we're finding out now, hold on. You. know, everybody's gonna get upset at me, you know, particularly plant-based. I. take care of people that are vegans, okay? And I get them well, but there are. certain uh nutrients and certain. elements inside plants that I would.

describe as microtoxins, okay? They're. just small little things like lectins. and oxalates and phalates and sapinins. And we're learning more about them all. the time. So there is anecdotally people. that go on the carnivore diet like you. said are eliminating autoimmune. disorders. Not in mass, not everybody. does it, but enough people to create. what we call a signal. A signal is. something that has some some sort of.

effect either good or bad. So there is a. positive signal we see when vegetables. are cut back and there's more red meat. But you want to eat the healthiest form. of red meat possible. But I advocate. meat and microbes like you talked about. in the beginning. I call it the living. diet because when you add in fermented. foods to your diet, you're actually. eating extraordinarily. different than you've ever eaten in your. lifetime. You're now eating food that's.

alive with these living microbes. And I. want America to know, stop thinking that. germs are always bad. Every the reason. you're in you have obesity and you're. overweight is you have an untreated. infection inside of you. You have. microbes inside you, ladies and. gentlemen, that is causing you to crave. ice cream and cookies. That's not you. You don't lack willpower. You're. infected. And big pharma knows that this.

works, but they're not going to treat. the underlying infection because, you. know, Ampic and GLP meds are making a. ton of money out there. But as soon as. you stop taking it, every study shows. that obesity returns weight gain, disease gain, let's call it for what it. is. It's not just weight. You're not. putting back on muscle. In fact, you put. on disease when you stop those. medicines. they you return to a greater. level of disease it looks like than. where you were when you started. And so.

this disease process begins because they. never treated the underlying infection. If you want to get better, start eating. fermented foods. Learn about the. microbiome like secretary Kennedy said. and get get these fermented foods into. your diet. Eat them together with the. food you eat. Secretary Kennedy goes to. meetings and presentations and talks. about co-mastication. of fermented foods together with meat. But. >> meaning meaning you're chewing chewing.

them together. >> That's one thing I didn't realize just. in reading up about the diet. You're. supposed to put this grass-fed and grass. grass-finished we'll get into that beef. in your mouth at the same time as the. ferment and you eat them together. If. you look at Sean's average plate, the. way he eats, it's like, and I think the. New York New York magazine described it. as dropping a steak in the middle of a. an artist's palette. And I think that's. a good description actually because. you've got the beef in the middle and. then all around the beef, you've got not.

just one ferment. It's not like a dab of. sauerkraut. It's like dab of sauerkraut, dab of kimchi, dab of fermented beets, a. dab of keir, kefir, what? However you. say that, a dab of yogurt. And you want. us to cut off the beef, a piece of it, and dunk it in several of those, >> correct? >> And then eat them together. simultaneously. >> So when we study the microbiome, one of. the attributes and characteristics of a. healthy microbiome, which means the.

person the host is healthier is alpha. diversity and beta diversity. So they. have a greater variety of species of. microbes inside of them. And those uh. species of microbes uh when they're more. diverse empower the human to have better. resources. So these microbes improve. your immunity. They help you fight. disease. They create peptides and. signals that improve your level of. health and your functioning and your. performance. So really it's something.

that the average consumer needs to find. out about. But you want to strengthen. your diversity of your microbiome by. eating a variety. Like one of the worst. things you can do, army's very um it's. it's a very uh elementary form of uh. approaching the microbiome and fermented. foods is just eat one brand of. sauerkraut, one little jar. You want to. eat about in my refrigerator, I have. about 20 to 30 different varieties of. fermented foods. and I'm always adding.

to them and when I travel um and I go to. different areas uh like I did up here I. get the local fermentss in this area. because we are u may be professionals. you're you're a a journalist um I'm a. physician but biologically we're all. hunter gatherers and so we would roam. following migratory patterns of animals. and when we roamed we would collect the. microbes in that area when we drank the.

water from the streams, rivers, and. lakes 50,000 years ago. And when we. hunted those animals, the the microbes. from that animal literally were. transferred to us in two ways. We would. process that meat field dressing and. there was no disinfectant, Megan. We. didn't have sterilized USDA inspector. inspected facilities uh where meat was. processed. The microbes from the fur of. the animal and the gut of that animal.

were transferred to the meat. We would. eat it and it would empower us and our. ancestors were so vigilant and so. observant like the my my coroner friend. Dr. Rosales who picked up you know this. visceral fat inside people cause. disease. Our ancestors picked up that. the healthiest bison made us healthier. and better performing. And when you took. that skin off that animal and you put it. into another human being to wear as.

clothing, they got better. But if you. hunted like a lame animal, an animal. that was like a downer or something, you. know, like predators hunt whatever's. easy, the old and the lame, we have. cortex. We we we have higher levels of. thinking. We can learn patterns. So we. saw that the most majestic animals, you. know, in a herd conferred through the. skin made humans better or if you hunted. the the lower ones, it made you worse. Our ancestors could pick up on that. And.

that's why adorement became popular. I. think into this day, people would pay. pay attention to clothes because. biologically we would see this really. impressive animal fur and say, "Oh my. god, she must be a mighty hunter. Look. at that skin, you know, animal fur that. she wears on her clothing." Or she must. be very important to somebody. >> who conferred that majestic animal skin.

to her. And so we had this legacy of. adorment. But today it's very different. You see, you can go buy that and you. could you could be a you know, I hate to. use this term, a loser. And you could go. buy, you know, fancy clothes and you. think you're better made by your. clothes. In the old days, it literally. made you better and it was a sign of. accomplishment. But today, we've lost. that. But um. >> you so but so you're you started this by. saying you go when you travel and you. get the fermentss from the local towns.

because the the more wide and variety. you can introduce the better um when it. comes to the the fermentss but I I like. before we get to the specifics of the. diet and I got ahead of us can like I. want to talk about like the bare minimum. because I was reading up on you in. addition to our interviews or behind the. scenes talks and it seems like the. number one thing if you want to do like. the mini mini Sha Omera. >> Yeah, >> you would eliminate every processed food.

from your life. Like I would. >> that is not negotiable. >> I would if. >> you're going to do the baby Shawn. >> and I'm so glad you asked that question. So if you're listening today and you're. wondering how do I get started? Well, take a look at this one particular study. we did for the National Science. Foundation. So these this is the first. time in the history of humanity this was. done and it's the only time in the. history of manity this was done. And see. the red it all goes away in 35 weeks.

substantially. And the dark muscles. grew. So they lost visceral fat. They. grew muscle in 35 weeks. And are you. ready for this? The only thing they did. was they cut out processed foods. >> Wow. They didn't add in anything else. They didn't even add in fermented foods. It was one man who he was a 70-year-old. man who was a CEO of a company and he. did not exercise. Ready for this? One. minute. >> All he did was cut out cut out processed.

foods. >> and got rid of a ton of visceral fat. >> Yes. So, right now, millions of people. are going to see this and there will be. a few people in the processed food. industry that are going to get so mad. that this the cat is out of the bag. right now for millions of people to. realize how destructive processed foods. are and just how much you improve when. you eliminate processed foods. So, that's a mini out there and you're. saying, "I cannot I cannot eat like. this. I can't just do beef and fermentss. for the rest of my life." You can you.

can get rid of processed food. Just. that's the baby Shaun Omera. It is. However, there is a question about what. is processed food. I mean, I think we. all know that like, you know, not to. pick on Nabiscoco, but like a box of. anything from Nabiscoco would be a. processed food item, but I think there's. like some sneaky processed foods. We're. going to pick it up. I'm going to take a. quick break. We're going to pick it up. there and we're going to get into the. specifics of how we're eating, how we're. exercising, and the other tips for. taking yourself next level when we come.

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were talking about what what is a. processed food? It's not. They always. say just avoid like the middle of the. grocery store and anything that's in. like a box or that you could that could. live on your counter, not live, but like. stay on your counter for two weeks. without, you know, spoiling. But it's. more there's some sneaky processed. foods, I think. >> Yeah, there are. And, you know, the. simple simplest guidance I give to. people is if it has a label, it's it's. probably going to be processed. when it. needs ingredients and ingredient list,

uh it's very likely that it's been. processed a little bit. So sometimes. even, you know, taking meat and changing. its form or vegetables exposes it to air. and oxidation and uh helps degrade the. process and make it more inflammatory. So the safest thing to eat is chunks of. vegetables and chunks of meat. And so. the other thing I I tell my clients that. work with me is calories don't matter as. much in numbers as much as the the.

quality of the calories. So a calorie. isn't a calorie. The quality of calories. matters more than the the quantity of. >> like you said ice cream is processed. That's that's considered a processed. food. >> It is because often times they will add. uh add things in like sugars and uh. sometimes they'll even gum. >> Yeah. these fillers and stabilizers, uh, emulsifiers to make them more palatable. tasting. Um, but really, you'd be better.

off making your own homemade ice cream. I'm not an advocate for sugar. You know, sugar, we notice that people eliminate. this fat, visceral fat disease uh, in. their abdomen around the heart the. fastest when they cut out carbohydrates. and then just eat fat and protein. So. sugars, carbohydrates attract species of. microbes that preferentially put down. fat uh fatty disease around your heart. and your abdomen rather than your. subcutaneous.

uh skin where you should be storing that. fat. >> And I said to you, well, I really like. my ice cream. I I it's bad vice. I have. it a lot. I just have a little bit at a. time, but I have it like every other. night. And my dear friend Nancy told me. that needs to stop. And then you came. into my life and told me I'm not going. to want it. >> That's right. So that's actually. comforting. It's not that I'm going to. be longing for it and missing it. >> The microbiome is going to change to. where the the compulsion is not there.

>> Yeah. You'll even get a sick feeling. like the thought. I mean, I feel so sad. and I get nauseated seeing people eating. processed foods and ice cream even when. it's, you know, pretty ostensibly kind. of minimally processed. Um I my. microbiome is geared towards meat, seafood, and fermented foods. >> And now it gives you almost like a sense. of revulsion when you see the foods that. are not good for you. >> Yes. >> Like when you see the unattractive cave. woman. >> Yes. Yes. >> You know, she was not she was not.

picking the healthiest bison. >> But the aversion, you know, goes both. ways. So sometimes people will see. fermented foods and they'll be repulsed. by fermented foods, but it's the. microbes inside of them that are. fighting for their survival and tell the. host, "Don't eat that fermented food.". So it's the sight, the smell, and the. taste. So these microbes are wired into. our central nervous system. And you. would fight like Hades. I always tell. people if I came across that table, put.

my hands around your neck and started. choking, you'd become a wild woman and. fight like crazy for your life. >> Yes. >> Uh the same thing with these microbes. inside of you. When they see something. that is threatening them, like their. host is about to eat fermented foods, they make them hate them. So, I tell my. clients that have an aversion where they. feel, you know, this repulsion to. fermented foods to take a little butter. knife, dip it in a little bit of kimchi. juice, a little of the juice around the. fermented vegetables, put it in a glass.

of noncllorinated water, just one little. drop. They won't see it, they won't. taste it, they won't smell it. Then they. drink that water. And when they drink. it, they just drink millions of these. beneficial microbes that are going to. start living inside them. Go down and. kick the fannies of those bad microbes. inside the gut of those person that was. >> eventually kimchi is less unattractive, >> less offensive, uh, less repulsive. And. slowly over a period of time, like I I.

rarely tell this story, but I remember. my mother taught me to make fudge when I. was four years old with a candy. thermometer, you know, on a stove. I. don't know how I never was scalded as a. four-year-old, but my mom liked the. fudge, so I made her fudge and made her. coffee. Those were addictions. And so I. ate all this fudge, but I became uh. really uh colonized with all these bad. pathogenic microbes. And I remember I. was this sweet little kid that would. listen to Christmas carols about Jesus. and I'd be crying. You know, I was this.

sweet little adorable little six, sevenyear-old. But somebody would get. behind me. I could smell kimchi and I. remember I'm telling you for the first. time in my life. I felt homicidal rage. >> Oh wow. >> I wanted to I was seven years old. Didn't understand it, but I wanted to. kill the man behind me. And it would. happen over and over again. and would be. some Asian a Korean with kimchi on their. breath. And that's how powerful these. microbes are. They're so wired into the.

host to defend against a threat. >> Is this part of the reason why most of. us find organ meetats repulsive? um it in part because of the nutrient. value but um uh but less so because the. microbes because typically organ meat um. isn't going to have a a strong sense of. microbial contribution. There won't be. living microbes. >> So those are just genuinely disgusting. >> Well, but also the metabolites. So there. are metabolites that are richer.

nutrients in that organ meat that will. be fertilizer for beneficial microbes. um but also dis and and when the. beneficial microbes start growing they. outsource they out compete the bad ones. So there's a war going on inside of you. It's an African safari. It's a dynam. it's a rainforest in your your stomach. but you never think about it but the. balance of that you want as many healthy. microbes in there as possible. U but. >> okay wait I want to keep going because I.

I have so many things I need to talk. about. In the break, we talked about how. your your face will and actually can. change as a result of this diet. And you. talked about the example of your. daughter who's also on the plan. She's. 25 years old. She works with you. Here's. this is a different. >> Yeah. That's a picture of my That's you. >> Yeah. That's how much I changed when I. was 48. That was me when I became the. researcher for the National Science. Foundation.

>> Wow. So my face showed a huge amount. That's before. So my how inflamed my. face. >> sweet and nerdy. >> puffy, >> but I was I weighed less there. I. weighed 165 pounds there in that. photograph, but I I had more disease and. not as much muscle. Today I weighed. closer to 178. I have like no visceral. fat disease and my muscles have gotten a. lot bigger. >> And your your features have just become. much more defined. >> Yes. And I think this goes back 20,000.

years ago. We can't find photographs, but if we could look at men and women. 20,000 years ago, they would have lean. faces. >> So, we we were talking in the break. about how when you get older, your nose. starts to droop and like I don't know, it just seemed to me that it was gravity. and you were saying that's not true. You. do not have to surrender. >> No, it's not. So, people think that they. literally get heavy, their noses get. bigger um because they're older. But. here's an example. My own daughter. So.

my daughter uh Riley uh when she was 14. years old that's is her originally right. here her photograph. And we scanned her. and she was filled with visceral fat and. she ended up getting um you know. polycystic ovarian syndrome. And this. visceral fat inflamed her face and look. how much she improved as she got rid of. her visceral fat. That's not plastic. surgery. No hormones, no steroids. her. nose got smaller. But we consistently.

see this in clients. I tell my female. clients, if you want to be a model and. they're older, absolutely I'll make you. a model because when you get rid of. health, I mean get you lose your health, you lose your appearance. But nobody in. their 50s, 60s, 70s are getting better. looking unless they're getting rid of. this visceral fat disease. >> So speak now and this is a person in his. 40s who we know is um on the diet. His. name is JD Vance and he started it for. Lent. Um he was just going to do it for.

Lent. And look at this. This is from. February 28th to March 27th. The. difference in the vice president's face. alone. You can see how much less puffy. he is. >> Indeed. >> I think a lot of women think the. puffiness only happens to them, but it. happens to men too. >> It does. It does. And you know. particularly u politicians who get have. a lot of stress they build up cortisol. which feeds visceral fat inside of them. and it shrinks the fat on the outside.

So they tend to have lower amounts of. the beneficial superficial subcutaneous. fat and they have higher amounts of the. fatty disease around their heart and. then in their abdomen and their muscles. and this this deteriorates their. appearance and ability to influence. So. as you get older, you actually should. get more attractive. Like looking at the. the examples of other politicians, many. of them have gone on this uh this this. diet and improved their appearance as. they've gotten rid of visceral fat.

Their faces improve and so because their. faces improve um you you actually like. the example um that happened to Joe. Biden and uh President Trump I like to. give. Now, we don't have the benefit of. MRIs to see what happened, but this is. the election at 2020 and this is 2024. And President Biden looked pretty good. His face was lean. He did well on the. debate in 2020, but in 2024, he was. abysmal. But look at the accumulation of.

cortisol, the inflammation in his face. And look at President Trump. His face. was more inflamed in 2020. Uh I think. one of his sons has gone carnivore and. uh is now eating more healthy and maybe. influencing his dad and look how much he. improved the president's face improved. >> and look it it reached voters. >> It reaches influencers. So the future. over there is I recognition.

and President Trump's was uh Admiral. Jackson uh Ronnie Jackson's now. congressman. So, you know, it depends on. who's influencing helping your diet, you. know. Good point. >> Yeah. And so, I tell people, you pay. attention to your doctor. When you go to. a doctor and they're so heavy and. they're so diseased and they look off. and they talk like this and you got to. lower your cholesterol, we're going to. start a stat. And, you know, it's like. going to a dentist with jacked up, messed up teeth. >> Well, going to a personal trainer who's. morbidly obese.

>> Yes. >> I don't think so. Yes. Wait, this when. you and I were talking about the ice. cream. One more one more tip for those. out there who are like me and have this. problem, but no longer. Um, you said to. me, you know who else liked his ice. cream every night? I said, who? Joe. Biden. I was like, omg, I have never. thought of it that way. >> Problem solved and I'm cured. >> Good point. Very good point. There's. >> choosing to live well will result. >> Here's here's the insight. You want to.

go to a new level. You think when you. eat that ice cream, you're eating for. yourself. You're eating less for. yourself and more for the microbiome, the community of microbes inside of you. And so they drive you to eat that food. >> Sick. They're evil. >> And you they are they're far more. It's. a form of intelligence that we don't. really understand. But there's a. mechanism inside a bacteria, a single. cell mechanism called crisper. And. crisper is is new. It's way more.

sophisticated than anything we we've. ever seen in human development. They can. do gene editing. >> Yes. And so they have this ability to. detect a threat, create the solution to. the threat, and eliminate the threat. It's a very elegant uh genetic. capability that's in these single cell. organisms. And so microbes have uh. really a form of existence that is far. beyond what we really understand. And so. it's high time that America pays. attention to their microbi alcohol.

because while I don't drink a ton, I do. drink socially and you were saying that. it the any Jones for alcohol will go. away on on the diet because you're going. to change the microbiome for for this. same reason that the bugs will change. I. I've I've worked with thousands of. people now and they've reported to me I. used to never ask them to to stop. drinking alcohol and sometimes I would. but now it just happens as they start. eating fermented foods and they improve. their diet and they do the other things.

that we have them they that we have them. doing to eliminate disease their health. improves so much their microbiome. improves so much they lose all. attraction for alcohol the healthy human. being doesn't drink alcohol doesn't have. an attraction for it. And so, um, alcohol is one of those things and other. vices. I I sometimes I feel like I'm. almost a Catholic priest because these. clients come back to me tell me, "I. didn't tell you this before, father.". But I I was addicted to gambling. I was.

addicted to pornography. I was addicted. to um to substance abuse, alcohol, and. drugs. And then they they have to know. what is it about getting rid of visceral. fat and eating these fermented foods. that these problems go away. They wanted. me to tell them they have been. struggling their whole lives and so you. know there are probiotics. >> lots of lots of effects. >> many many beneficial effects. >> All right let's talk about the eating. So so far I'll I'll tell the audience.

what I had um for breakfast. I had eggs. but you can't have just any cheese. It's. got to be like smelly cheese. Blue. cheese. Um, >> old world cheese. >> Old world. Okay. Um, what's the other. one? Oh, blue cheese, gorgonola. And. there was a third that we got. Okay. So, I had eggs. I had a little bit. of cheese. I had a little keffer. And. this is yesterday. And I did have like a. couple of strips tiny, not big, but you. said go for it if you want of steak. I.

had lefto. I had steak for the night uh. before. So, that was my breakfast, which. is very hearty. It wasn't like a huge. plate, but it I had all of those things. on it and I made sure I was chewing. comification, whatever RFKJ says, >> in every bite. Then for lunch, I I had. steak with fermentss, a bunch of them. And by the way, we have to talk about. the fact that when you get your. fermentss from the grocery store, you. have to reach into the back of the of. the display case and try to get the ones.

that were in the dark because light is. not great for your ferment. They'll. reach into the back and then you can. keep it in your fridge, but as you. pointed out, I'm like, "Well, the fridge. has a light." And you were like, "Not. when it's closed." Hello. Okay. Anyway, so then I had my steak and I had a. couple of different fermentss on there. And then I basically had the same dinner. as I did lunch. So, I think that was a. basic approach to the diet. You can get. fancier and you don't have to stick with. just cow. You can do bison, elk, venison, lamb.

>> Correct. And even some fish, though it's. not your favorite and I don't eat fish. anyway, so it's kind of not a thing. >> And I recommend like wild caught. seafood. If you're going to do fish, do. wild caught more. >> And on the beef, not just grass-fed, but. if you can find it grassfinish, >> correct? >> Which means what exactly? >> Yeah. So grass grass-fed, grass-finish. And I'll show you a picture because um. it it's very powerful the difference. that this makes when you actually eat uh. something as grass-fed, grass-finished, you get a higher level of healthier.

meat. So, here's a picture of uh the. difference. A grass-fed, grass finished. uh steak on one side versus grainfed. So, you get this marble. >> It's um the one that's grass-fed and. grass-finish looks like pure red and the. one that isn't has a bunch of the fat. marbled throughout it. >> Yes. >> And so, this marbleized meat is not as. healthy. And so when you finish, sometimes it's just grass-fed, but they.

finish it on grains. So you really want. to be eating um meat that's grass-fed, grass-finish with less marbbleization. And the impetus behind this, the reason. why we learned this, and I didn't know. this, they didn't teach us this in. medical school was really this. photograph right here that shows the. connection how this happens in human. beings. So look at uh these two. abdominal scans side by side next to. them we have the legs of the humans that.

are correlate with their abdominal scan. And you can see on the image on the left. they have a lot more visceral fat and. the image on the right um below it they. have less visceral fat but their legs uh. to the side show different degrees of. marbilization in their muscles. So the. image on the bottom. Olympic sprinter. Correct. And look at. those big, gorgeous muscles, very little. visceral fat inside their abdomen, and. their legs are very lean. But the guy on.

the top looks like, I call him human. wagu. He has so much marbleization of. his muscles. And ladies and gentlemen, if you follow Megan, the reason you need. a walker and a cane and a wheelchair is. not because you're old. is because this. white stuff forms in your legs and keeps. you from supporting yourself anymore. That's it. That's it, America. No other. reason you need a wheelchair and you're.

going to need a wheelchair and. eventually you won't your muscles be so. filled with fat you'll fall over in a. wheelchair and then you're in a bed for. the rest of your life until you die. Unless you find out about this disease. going inside of you. >> This is it's that important. So. >> it's huge. >> That's why I have people eating. grass-fed, grass-finish beef. So that. and I promote many different, you know, that do that. >> You're allowed to have eggs and that was. one thing I didn't ask you with yolks.

Like are we going for it? We are not. doing the cholesterol thing anymore cuz. like. >> no. >> most people look at that and say, "Holy. you you'll be dead by noon.". >> Yeah. Old science. So absolutely whole. eggs are great. And uh the healthier the. chickens, the healthier the eggs. So, ideally, you should buy eggs if you can. uh from a farmer that has them out. pastured uh where they're out eating. bugs unless not grains. Uh poultry in. the wild fowl, game foul, they're not.

out eating grain, they're out eating. bugs. And so, you want to eat an animal. that eats a natural diet. And so, in. between animals in the wild are. domesticated animals like chicken, pork, and beef. But to the extent that it's. more natural, it's more healthier for. you. So you want to eat grass-fed, grass-finish in the ruminants, beef and. bison. And the chickens, you want to eat. ones that are pastured. >> What's the thinking? But we're not. eating chickens. You mean the eggs? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> What's the thinking uh behind the cheese.

like the stinky cheese? >> Yeah. So the the the thinking is dairy. I don't recommend dairy unless it's. fermented. when you fermentation is the. only processing that I can think of as a. physician and a scientist and a. researcher that actually improves the. form of food. And so when you ferment. dairy, you're actually improving, you're. increasing the nutrient value and you're. adding to the microbial value of these. living microbes. And the ones that are.

more oldworld and more stinkier and. smellier like blue cheeses and roerverts. and gargonas. um have higher levels of colony forming. units and metabolites. These little tiny. signals, these little tiny peptides uh. that are now the darling of big pharma. And you see it just blowing up all over. the internet. These peptides, well, they. already exist in nature. And so you can. see that people that eat uh.

traditionally and that's how we learn to. comascate chew is traditional people eat. fermented foods with meat. They chew. them together like in South Korea. You. would never eat a piece of meat without. chewing it with kimchi. And the Korean. women, the aims, the older women that. are in restaurants will come up and yell. at you in Korean if you just eat the. meat and don't eat the kimchi. and they. will castigate you in public over this. because it's a tradition inculcated. within their society. So cheese. fermented is a tradition way of taking.

dairy and improving it. And when you. >> So it's a ferment. >> It's a ferment. Okay. It's through. fermentation that milk specifically the. lactose the milk sugar gets reduced gets. eliminated. it's changed into um into. lactate and actually through this. chemical biological process a better way. of describing through biological. influence of these beneficial microbes. that are added to the the vat of dairy. and it's in a big cheese wheel and then.

when it's cut into triangles that's your. when we were shopping I told you buy the. triangular type that's your cue that. it's really oldw world processing it's. not like processed ricotta or you. cottage cheese. That's really not. >> we were joking about our Vita. Yeah. Um, no offense, Belvita. You served me well. for a number of middle school years. Um, here for the listening audience, we're. going to put on the board now and you. should just check this out. It's about. an hour 20 minutes into the show the the.

purchases we made at Whole Foods. Um, but you don't have to go to Whole Foods. You can probably do it at any other sort. of more alternative grocery store. But. Sean and I went together, which was very. helpful. and I photographed here and. just check out the show on YouTube, but. all the things that we bought including. the butter which is over there on the on. the right. It's like a little French. butter that Sean likes. And he uses that. butter, man. Cuz I said, "What do I cook. the beef in?" And he said, "Well, either. just on the grill and with nothing or um.

you just or you can cook it in butter. and at the end you put some butter on. top of it. You are not afraid of the. butter." No, I'm not. >> This butter is delicious. I don't know. what this is, but I've had it now for. two days in a row and it's freaking. heavenly. It's crazy. So, we took a And then I. took a picture back at my house more. clearly of the labels and I'll show you. those, too. So, that if you just want to. copy what I did, you know, it's just. easier. >> Yeah. So, it really is an important. thing. You need to get around somebody. who knows how to eat healthy and learn. how to uh shop in stores because we.

traditionally we just go in and grab. anything, but you want to be mindful. >> On the yogurts, too. There's a picture. of the yogurt there that that you liked. >> And for many, >> you were not you were not pro Greek. >> No, >> I was shocked to learn that. >> No, it's a form of processing. So, they're eliminating the the beneficial. microbes and the liquid the the tart. liquid form. If you separate it, it. makes the the yogurt more creamy and. that people are buying it, but you're. losing the metabolites and the microbes. when you're doing that. And so, the.

consumer is getting ripped off from. that. And it's it's so it appeals to the. pallet. So that's a good example of how. you know processing kind of. semi-processing. >> The yogurt you like is on our little. picture that we that I. >> So that picture shows that. Um but you. know I I make the point that our. ancestors didn't just hunt any bison. They were very selective about it. And. you need to be that intentional, Megan. And your audience needs to be. intentional about selecting the very.

best food when they go to a grocery. store. Don't just get the the most tasty. one. So, there was a a process in. anthropology called selection pressure. It was an influence on our species. It's. still present in the wild that has an. animal select the best decision that's. going to help them live longer and. perform better. It used to be present. for homo sapiens. Our existence, our. survival, and a quality life was. dictated on us making better choices.

Today, selection pressure has been. replaced by what I call selection. pleasure. Greek yogurt, creamier things, tastier things, sweeter things. So, I. tell my clients, the enemy tastes sweet. Now, you might think you're giving up a. lot by giving up sweet things. I don't. know. a human being in the world that. enjoys steak and fermentss better than. Shaun Omera. It is like better than any. trip to Walt Disney World that I've ever.

had. And it's every single day that I. eat. It's the most unbelievable. experience I could have during the day. because that food tastes so. extraordinarily good. My microbiome is. all in on the very best strategies for. optimizing and eventually it happens to. my clients over a period of time. So, as. you do this, you'll get more and more. excited about eating. It will taste way. better. You will laugh and be appalled. Did you ever eat ice cream at some. point?

>> I'm looking forward to that. Now, we. should talk about what you just said. Every day that I'm eating because you. are not eating every day that fasting is. a part of this diet. I'm sorry to break. it to you at home um because I think. fasting is so hard. I I was telling you. I used to do the 168 fast and even the. 16 for me I thought as a woman was. particularly hard those last two hours. and then I did hear some conventional. wisdom that women shouldn't go 16. You. were like not only should you go 16 you.

you should go three maybe even four. days. And then I said to Sean women. women should go four days. And he said, "When the men couldn't find the bison, what do you think the women were doing. that no one was eating, the the males or. the females?". >> Yeah. So, it's absolutely. >> So, talk about the fasting. And by the. way, I forgot to ask you something. important. Is that every week? You don't. fast four days a week, every week. Do. you? >> I I fast typically um I used to fast. three or four days every single week.

So, literally like half the month I was. fasting. I still kind of do that now, but I do even longer fasts, like five. days. So look at this lady's uh face u. who is kind enough to allow us to to. share her photograph how much she. improved her face. So um this is over a. six-month period of time uh this lady. adopted meat and microbes the living. diet and also started fasting. So when. you fast you eliminate structural. disease in your body and the influence.

in your face. So you get this gorgeous. appearance to your face. A lot of women. are afraid to come to me. They think. that only work with these, you know, uh, studly males, tough guys. But women get. these beautiful results where they have. fantastic results. So, biology knows no. difference between men and women in. terms of lifestyle. The healthier the. food you eat, the healthier your. lifestyle is available for men and. women. >> Let's just say it's three days because. four days sounds insane to me. Maybe it.

won't. >> It took years for me to get up to that. I eased into it. So, I don't What what. should I do right now as a as a baby. Sean disciple? >> So, I tell people to ease into fasting. because the scariest thing for me right. now is Megan Kelly goes on a three-day. fast, hates it, feels super weak, and. they said, "I try fasting and. >> comes on the show says that sucked. Everything I said I take back.". >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it would be a. terrible tragedy. So, you want to ease.

into it. It's not a race. You're a young. lady. You've got decades of quality. living ahead of you. So, ease into it. Now, a little tip. Our ancestors when. they didn't get a bison would go drink. from creeks, rivers, lakes, glaciers, and they knew the gay-haired women and. the gay-haired men, the alphas, the. leadership of a clan, knew which. particular stream to drink that would. reduce their hunger. And so these.

microbes have a capacity literally of. increasing GLP1. And so GLP1 is this natural endogenous. peptide that causes satiety. So today we. can't drink rivers and lakes. But here's. what we're going to find out. Uh I am. now experimenting. It's going to come. out with certain strains of bacteria, probiotics that you will take and also. postbiotics. Postbiotics are what uh.

probiotic microbiotic these species of. microbes produce. So they're pieces. basically of the living microbes. They. signal you that you you you're no longer. hungry. And so even though you didn't. get a bison that day in the hunt, you're. not hungry and you still have energy. So. what does that mean for you today, 2026? you'll probably be getting I've already. given some to you uh certain species of. postbiotics that you can take probiotics. rather and postbiotics and they will.

reduce your hunger and allow you to fast. without any hunger pains with without. food noise without cravings for food. So, my clients, the longest I've seen a. client fast, um, 10 days with these. particular strains of microbiota, and I. I can't say what they are because we. want them to be manufactured and. available for all Americans to take. So, we're in the process of trying to do. that, work through that. But it'll be in. the future that you'll be taking these. strains of microbiota. They will dust.

all of the medications that are out. there because they're going to treat the. underlying infection. >> that big puff farmer doesn't treat. So. for the listening audience though, like. what what what can they do before they. get the special probiotics? Like can. they what should what's a realistic. goal? One day a week to to go just go 24. hours without it. >> Try going, you know, a lot of people uh. should be able to do at least 18 to 24. hours. See how they do. Drink. non-cllorinated water. Make sure you're.

taking gly magnesium. Um, and I I like. magnesium citrate when I'm fasting. because it has less bump on your. autophagy. Autophagy is the the. physiological condition that you want to. achieve by fasting. So autophagy is like. spring cleaning inside your cells where. cellular debris and disease is cleared. up from the body. So people who fast. just get healthier.

>> You can have coffee, right? You can have. coffee. I'm fasting right now. Full. disclosure, I've been fasting 4 days. straight. >> That's crazy. I haven't had a single. calorie in 4 days. Does it look or sound. like I have a lack of energy? >> No. Or or brain fog? >> No. >> Cuz I I said to you, I said I tried I. found it very hard to do the 16- hour. fast into a show. I needed to eat or I'd. have brain fog. And you said you will. get to the point where you will only do. your show while fasting. >> 100%.

>> That's crazy. your most important shows. you will do in a faceted state. The most. important like the Super Bowl and World. Cups, the owners of those teams will. demand that their their per their. athletes are in a faceted state. Really? And those 50 year olds are going to be. as h they'll be healthier than 20 year. olds. Why? >> What does Megan Kelly you dust everybody. in journalism compared to a 20-year-old? Because you learned how to become a. better journalist. Human beings in the. past the 50 year olds were healthier.

than the 20 year olds. Think about that. Today the 20 year olds are healthier. than 50y olds only because of this. undiagnosed disease process. But in the. future is going to be 50year-old men and. women athletes and also politicians and. executives. So as quickly as possible. optimize your microbiome. If you're high. performer come to me I'll work with them. and get them more optimized. But that's. what you're going to do. you'll be using. fasting and these insights to to perform.

better, look better, and because you're. going to be better in a fasted state. because that's when you hunt. >> How many years did it take you to get to. doing three days of fasting? >> Um, literally I was slow. I didn't. realize all these benefits because the. studies have been coming out over the, you know, past 10 or so years, but it. took me about u five to six years to get. up to three three days. Now I get a lot. of my clients like that young lady, she. was doing three days I think and within.

one month. >> what. >> she eased into three days fast. >> she just water. >> and coffee. >> coffee and uh and then take certain. species of uh bacteria probiotics okay. >> that you take so. >> so maybe we won't fast until you can say. publicly what the probiotics are. >> and then kimchi you know a little bit of. kimchi juice a little fermented u brine. so a little like fermented pickles u you. know fermented pickle brine you can. drink because there's no calories in it.

and a little bit of like couple. tablespoons of like organic. unpasteurized vinegar. Pasteurized. vinegar is is dead. So you want. >> like apple cider vinegar. >> So unpasteurized. and uh you add it a little bit to. non-cllorinated water and you drink it. and it stops your hunger pains. increases your satiety and improves your. level of health. And so it's it's a. great addition to. >> so the fasting we've disclosed it. It's. coming your way. Just know that that's a.

piece of. >> it is coming America. Don't wait for it. to go mainstream. If you're an early. adopter, move ahead. >> I do I do want to talk about eating out. um because that seems like it would pose. a challenge on this diet. Which brings. me of course to this wonderful clip of. Cheryl Hines talking about RFKJ her. husband's diet saut one. >> Well, right now he is only eating uh. meat and fermented vegetables. So what that looks like is um in the.

morning at 6:30. he's cooking a steak and eating. sauerkraut. >> So what happens you guys go out to eat? Is he like waiting to get back home to. eat? Now, this is he I don't know if he. wants me saying this either, but who. cares? Um, he's so dedicated to this. diet that he's eating that he will bring. his own sauerkraut. restaurant, which by the way, Katie, you will. appreciate this because we'll be in the.

car dressed up. I'll have like a little. >> He's got his clutch bag. >> No, I'll have my little clutch, right? one of my good bags that I only take out. every once in a while because I I don't. I want to keep them nice and he'll hand. me a bag of sauerkraut and say, "Can you. put this in your bag?". And I'll say, "I actually cannot.". And I you know, if if you would have. told me when we were inside, I I would. have brought a different bag. But what.

you're about to put in in this bag is. not okay. I'm going to give this bag to. one of my daughters. when she you know when I die this is not. a sauerkraut bag but you be if you tell. me ahead of time I can bring a. sauerkraut bag. >> you know what I mean. in advance I won't bring the Chanel. >> I won't bring the Exactly. >> that's Cheryl with Katie Miller in a. very funny exchange. >> totally funny you want I think she's the.

funniest woman I had dinner with her and. she's like that all the time. >> she is fat right in the chair. >> I think she's the funniest female I've. ever met in my lifetime. >> She's got it. >> I love her. >> So, eating out, you do have to bring the. sauerkraut. Not necessarily in a bag. You recommend baby food jars. >> I do. I do. I get the little tiny baby. food jars, the really small ones, and I. put a variety of fermentss into it. Put. it in this little discrete jar. I put it. into my coat pocket or my my jeans.

pocket. I pull it out when I'm in a. restaurant and dump it on the plate. I. call it reverse shoplifting. Like you're. bringing something into a restaurant, but it they often times are a little. uneasy about it, but you don't need a. lot. Put that little garnish in there. I. get some sometimes I get stairs, but I. do it fast. I put it back and you know. it's gone. >> And you order you see look for grass-fed. beef. I do. And you ask if they can cook. it in butter. >> I do. And so when you're at the table. and you're talking to a waiter or. waitress, you can say, "Do um do you.

cook your butters in seed oils or your. your meat in seed oils? can you cook. mine in butter? And ask them. And this. is why you want to be selective. Yeah. >> You know, um and I'd also tell people, look, you can't always find grass-fed. when you go to restaurants. I eat at. McDonald's. I do. It's not great quality. meat, but it's way better than pasta. I. just don't eat the buns and the ketchups. and all the other things that are added. to it. And I bring fermentss with me. I. remember going on a vacation with my.

wife. I'm a retired army guy. I'm not a. wealthy guy. So, you know, we're out. eating in McDonald's. My wife, you know, I'm 62 years old then. She, you know, and and we're eating in McDonald's and. we're getting rid of the buns and I'm. dumping the the fermits on the the. McDonald's patties and that was our our. date night while we're out on this. vacation. You could potentially have. like a white fish or some s some. food and you can and ideally I like wild. caught because they tend you know the.

farm variety of seafood they feed a lot. of grains just like they do with cattle. So they're dumping stuff into these farm. ponds that they you have all this fish. in and sometimes even when they're out. in the ocean they pretend like you know. that's a healthier version. um they. might get a little bit more healthier. water, but then they're still feeding. grains and carbs and all this unnatural. diet to these farmed fish and sometimes. there are better operations. But I just. think you need to be a lot more.

selective about the food you eat. whenever you can, especially at home. You can go shop, you can find the very. best foods shopping online and your. local, you know, grocery uh supplier. bring that home and then on occasion if. you have to go out eat a little. grass-fed beef uh or grain-fed beef, bring some ferments with you. And when. you go to your neighbor's house or your. family members, don't dive down to their. level. Be the hero. Be the champion in. your family's life and in your.

neighbor's house. And you show them that. you eat differently, you eat better, and. it's real for you. Don't compromise your. health. So, it's an opportunity to kind. of like witness to them. I'm trying to. live better. I And you know, the. consequences is, you know, not that you. just miss out on all the beneficial. living. We're talking cancer and strokes. and neurodeenerative conditions from. this. Not just one cheat meal if you're. eating ice cream. It's a cumulative.

effect of bad food over a lifesty. lifetime and a poor lifestyle. And it. contributes and manifests with all this. all this structural disease, visceral. fat and fat around your heart. And you. never know when you're going to get a. bad disease. >> Can you talk I was telling the audience. what I ate yesterday on my f first full. day on the diet. Can you can you give an. example of your typical diet like your. breakfast, your lunch, and your dinner? >> Sure. So I get up in the morning and uh. if I want to eat particularly if it's.

feasting and and I just you know I live. a lifestyle of fasting and feasting just. like our ancestors you know we did not. eat around the clock uh you know grazing. and and things were not cows. Uh we. would hunt get a gigantic animal. Woolly. mammoths were a good example. We was the. only animal I could think of that we. hunted to extinction. Ding ding ding. We. loved woolly mammoths. You know. >> got to bring that back. Yeah, we do on. the menu. >> Work on that for science. >> Little little steak, little little lamb,

little. >> I eat a big chunk of meat. Uh I eat and. when I feast, I'm eating a lot. Game on. >> You are eating a lot. That one picture. has It looks like four burgers with. butter. It's not cheese on top. It's a. butter. >> I'm eating all that I ate. I ate a lot. I will eat um four I eat more than Sean. Baker. I'll eat four to five pounds of. meat. Oh my god. A day. What? That's. insane. >> I know. Well, because I'm making up for. the meat that I didn't eat when you were.

fasting. >> When I was fasting, so I recover. And. so, you know, as far as the amount of. food goes, it's probably equitable for, you know, what what I would be eating if. I was eating like a standard American, you know, kind of lifestyle. >> So, if you are easing your way into this. diet where you are maybe fasting one day. a week, if that, do not have four to. five pounds of beef in a No, you won't. want to like feast. But when I break and. the other thing you should be aware of. too is I call it prime the pump. If you.

haven't eaten in like 4 days, um most. people when they return to eating, they. can have a hyperarosmotic effect where. they put food in until their GI t track. it gets acclimated to it and they can. have some, you know, dispiosis. They can. they can be a little bit uncomfortable, a little nauseated. So you got to ease. into it fast. >> Okay. >> So, uh, start slow call priming the pump. and a little bit of blue cheese, a. little bone broth, a little soup broth,

um, a little tiny piece of meat over. about four to five hours and work your. way up to it. Now, I can break my fast. Everybody that's eating this way is. always surprises. I can break my fast. with four ribe eyes. >> Oh my lord. >> And I do I'm just like a lion. I haven't. eaten in, you know, six days. And I'll. I'll eat four giant ribe eyes. >> Wow. >> I've my biggest uction. >> Six pounds of meat in one sitting. 96. ounces.

>> I I ate a tomahawk. >> To see the LDL at that moment. I don't. think that would be encouraging. >> You won't worry about LDL after you do. this. You'll you'll realize that LDL and. cholesterol is beneficial to you. It's a. structural disease around your heart. You'll feel so much better. >> Talk about your breakfasts. So, breakfast is kind of like what you ate. Steak and eggs are one of my favorite. breakfastes in the morning. Uh, omelets. with, you know, uh, aged cheddar cheese. and some blue cheese and some fermentss.

Oh my gosh, to wake up and have that is. just so sustaining and beneficial. And. so, every meal is a little bit different. because there's so many varieties of. fermented foods that you can eat. yogurts and keers and uh uh different. forms of uh fermented vegetables and. fermented fruit. So, I do eat fruit, but. only if it's fermented. Um I have my. clients um back off of fruit because of. the fructose and the fruit sugars that.

are in there. We noticed when we had. people eat fermented food, fruit and cut. out regular fruit that the fat around. the heart went away a lot faster. And. vegans that don't eat any meat, they do. lose fat around their heart and they. lose visceral fat if they add in. fermented vegetables. So if they're. eating a predominantly plant-based diet, um, sorry carnivores, they the. plant-based people are losing visceral. fat when they stay vegan if they add in.

fermented foods, but in all honesty, they lose it slower. But they're losing. it and rest of America is gaining it. Mhm. >> So vegans who add in fermented foods do. better than Americans that are eating a. standard American diet? >> That's good. So vegans can do this diet. >> They can. >> Do they have to ferment every vegetable. or kind of but I prefer it? >> You know, they don't have to, but get. old fast. >> They like they seem to prefer to have. some fresh vegetables that that aren't.

fermented and so they they eat broccoli. and other things that haven't been. fermented. On that front, and I want to. ask you lunch, too. But on that front, you one of the first things you said to. me is there's no cheating on this diet. >> Mhm. >> So, like if you were weak and you wanted. to have a salad, you shouldn't. But like why? What is. that going to throw the whole thing off? So, the the cheating with the salad is. not going to be bad as cheating with. raisins and then you add in honey and uh.

and then you add in a sweet a salad. dressing with sugar in it. That's that's. more of a cheating that's problematic. If you just ate lettuce or, you know, some, you know, arugula, um it's really. as a very very small amount of these. anti-nutrients and microtoxins. not. realistically a huge threat. It's often. times when it comes to salads, the. accutrates and the the condiments and. other things.

>> We've had some people say on the show. that sourdough bread is not bad for you. because it's got a lower glycemic index. >> It is very bad for you. It's just not as. bad. That's what this physician. research. When people come to me and. they take sourdough bread, they always. have visceral fat and heart fat. And. when I show that to them and they get. very upset, they eliminate it and then. that heart fat and visceral fat goes. away. It honest to God correlates.

because it's still carbohydrates. It's. still processed. It's dead bread. It may. have had some living microbes in it at. some point, but when you bake it, it's. dead. And so those beneficial microbes. are no longer present in there. So. again, if you are doing the starter. Sean, you are eliminating processed. foods which will include bread, >> pasta, obviously sugars, ice cream, etc. Um you the barebones version of this. could be meats.

and what like if you had to give them. not the full Sean. >> meat and then you know probably eating. like vegetables that aren't fermented. >> that are not maybe. >> but then add fermented too. >> and and then yes but if you're going to. be eating any vegetables that aren't. fermented make sure you're comicating. including in your meal fermented. vegetables but anything processed is. really you should anybody listening to. your show should be able to eliminate. processed foods relatively easily. Uh.

and then uh up your amount of seafood. and meat and vegetables if you you. really want to uh add in vegetables and. you want to take a slow kind of junior. approach a Dr. Sean uh light approach to. this diet. >> just for people who think I can't do it. I can't you know I I I know a lot of. people are thinking it's too extreme. I. can't do it. But maybe you could try the. intro version and then if you do okay on. that, the the real version might not.

seem too undoable. Now wait, there's a. lot more to discuss, including drinking. Like what do we drink? And you've got. thoughts on that. You have two drinks. here. We're going to talk about what you. should order as your beverage at a. restaurant and what you should be. drinking as your beverage at home. There. are a couple of options that surprised. me. Uh and I think they'll surprise you, too. Stand by. We're going to take a. quick break and then we are back with. Dr. Shawn here to tell us about his. revolutionary new diet. Check with your.

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no chemicals like added from like. chlorine and fluoride from natural. bottled water. And so I prefer water. that comes from the EU. They actually. have laws in the European Union that the. water has to be in the bottle in the. same form that comes out of the ground. We don't have that in America under the. USDA and the FDA. Uh the water has to be. processed. It's heat treated. Oftentimes. it's filtrated. So if you have a choice. to get like San Pelro or my favorite is.

Geral Steiner water that actually has. Can you. >> spell that? >> Yeah. G E R O L S T E I N E R. Geral. Steiner. >> It's kind of cheap water over in Europe. It's a little more pricier by the time. it gets over here. comes from the German. Alps, but it has a very low level of. acidity. So, it's really more an. alkaline water and it has the highest. amount of minerals and it's the most. probiotic, meaning it has some living.

microbes uh still present in that water. It comes out of the ground versus what. we process here. So, if you have a. choice, get that water and uh it will. add to your microbiome. It will. contribute. It's a way better source of. water to drink from rather than drinking. the processed kind even RO that uh you. know helps to eliminate chlorine. I have. yet to find a single RO that completely. eliminates chlorine. And chlorine is. disruptive on your microbiome because we. add it to water to keep bacteria from.

growing in there to kill bacteria. But. the downside to it is it doesn't just. finish its job when it's in the pipes. coming from, you know, some municipal. treatment center. It gets delivered into. a microbiome where it disrupts. oftentimes the elegant, beautiful, beneficial microbes that help fight. disease and keep us healthy. >> So, you're drinking 100% of your water. out of a bottle you got from Europe? >> I do. Well, not necessarily 100%. I go. to a natural spring near me in Minnesota.

called the Frederick Miller Spring. You. can Google natural spring uh near me and. find different sources of natural. springs. >> You go like with a with a bucket little. house on the prairie style. >> Yeah. And then for years I was taking. cowboy showers with these jugs of water. and I would pour it over me because I. wouldn't let I didn't do my chlorinated. water. But now I have a a brand of water. called a aora that's a cold plunge and. they take out the chlorine and it has. super high levels of oxygen. So now I.

can take a bath uh in my cold plunge. every day. It's very interesting. technology and uh clients get to try it. out when they come to my to to my houses. for a cold plunge. So now no more cowboy. showers for Dr. Shawn. I lived in you. know a suburban house and and for years. >> then the police came. arrested for public in indecency and. that was the end of the cowboy shower. >> So I do love natural water. I think, you.

know, we drink way too much processed. water. And another fun fact is, it's an. observation. I'm a I'm a surfer. Is I've. never seen an overweight surfer that's. heavy. And so, uh, the ocean water is. one of the richest source of microbes. that you can get. Oh. And when we were. little children, we would get knocked up. by wave and we drink that water and you. thought you were going to die, but you. live perfectly fine. But the surfers are. two things about them. They're lean and.

they're attractive. The men are. attractive. Women love male surfers. And. males love surfer babes because they're. hot. They're attractive. They're. healthy. And what's going on there is. not because of their exercise. First of. all, I'm a surfer. It's the laziest. sport in the world. You're only. balancing for a few seconds. And then. what happens? You wipe out and you drink. the ocean water. And so it's the only. population in the world that's. intentionally drinking ocean water. Oh. man, >> unintentionally but forced to drink it.

And so it's making this rich microbial. contribution and it's one of the richest. sources of food that you can actually. water that you can drink comes right. from the ocean. >> Wow. >> And so I do have my clients actually. drinking intentionally small amounts of. ocean water contributing to the. microbiome. >> and it adds to diversity to your. microbiome. >> But as um in like the rule is the only. things you drink in a day are water and. coffee. Correct. That's it. >> I'm not drinking anything else. >> And when you go to a restaurant, you'll.

say, "Do you have San Pelgro?". >> I do. I ask for San Pelgro. I'll ask for. Geral Steiner. If they don't have it, I'll drink an American brand like. Mountain Spring or something, but I do. not drink any chlorinated water. I once. was talking to a head of state and I. remember there they were asking me, "Well, how long do I have to wait. before?" Because they were drinking. taking probiotics to to help increase. their microbiome. They said, "How long. will do I have to wait before I can. start drinking tap water?" Well, like, "Oh my god, never forever. You can never.

drink tap water because it's so filled. with chlorine and it's just going to. disrupt your microbiome." So, you get. one step forward and two steps back. >> Always think of your new life as you. optimize as adding uh the most amount of. beneficial microbes and the least amount. of detrimental ones. So, you want your. lifestyle choices to be intentional. about protecting your microbiome and. trying to add to the diversity, kill off. all those good bugs you just created. >> Correct.

>> Um, by the way, we're sitting here and. whenever I have a guest on this set, I'm. always conscious of my posture because. there's it's a two shot and I always. want to But one of the things you say is. likely to happen to you on this diet is. you actually will stand a little taller. Your posture could improve. Like you've. seen that in yourself. I have. So, I. actually have a couple pictures that I. can show of how much my posture has. changed over this period of time. And. it's really interesting and it's because. as you lose this diseased fat that's.

inside of you, u the fat that's inside. your muscles. Here's a picture of my. posture. And it was just kind of a um uh. an accidental photograph that that I. went back in years and caught this. But. you can see my posture is curved in the. photograph there uh with the shorter. pair of pants on. And it's because you. get this curvature of your spine as this. fat that invades your muscles invade. your your back muscles too. And so you.

get this curvature of your spine. And. then look how much better my posture is. today. And so. >> remarkable. Now on the right, you look. like the army colonel you are. >> Yeah. And and it's not like intentional. I stand I sit like a I don't know like. an 18-year-old. Um I'm always like that. But I remember formerly kind of being. kind of hunched over and looking like. some kind of a strange strange kind of. figure. But that that muscle uh becomes. invaded with inflammatory fatty disease. uh called fatty muscle replacement or.

myiotosis muscle fat. And it's the same. process you see in most meat that you. buy in a supermarket, marbleized meat. And so I'm sorry all the ranchers and a. lot of people say that marbilization is. what you pay for. Here's the ironic. thing. Let me say it for the first time. in a podcast. >> When you are buying prime meat, you're. buying disease mate and paying more for. it by choice. The only difference is. less.

It's the US grading. >> You don't want prime, you want choice. choice. >> and it's cheaper. >> Oh, >> it's less diseased and Americans are. paying more. It's ironic that our. federal government, the USDA, under. Secretary Rollins, she runs the USDA, they actually pay inspectors to go look. at the level of marbilization and say. that's high enough. It's got enough. really has enough disease in it that you. could be able to charge prime. So, the. consumers are that backwards in their.

mentality. They're buying more diseased. meat. And it's even worse with Wagu. You're paying sometimes $100 a pound for. the diseased animal. And these these. cattle, I've been told, can barely. stand, much less walk. Oh my gosh. They. can't they can't fornicate. They can't. reproduce. They have Now, artificial. semination is kind of a practice that's. practiced a lot in the cattle industry. However, here's an interesting fact I've. never heard. I've read this. It blew me. away. Why go beep? When the the egg is.

fertilized, the embryo, they don't. transfer it back into a Wagu cattle, they transfer it back into um a. charmaine because the Wagu is not happy. It's a different breed of cattle. >> And so the charmaes are not as diseased. as Wagu beef. >> Oh gosh. >> Because the the baby can't survive long. enough at gestation and the mother won't. live during birth. And so they actually. literally just use the diseased egg and. sperm. Then they put into different.

breed of cattle. You're not a big fan of. the Wagu. >> No, I'm not. >> What is there, Other than looking for. choice at the grocery store and. grass-fed, if you can find it. grass-finish as well, um is there like a. cut of beef that you recommend? >> Um cuts that I like typically if it's. really grass-fed or grass-finish or my. favorite beef right now is plain view. beef, which is grass-fed, sprout. finished. So they feed these sprouts. that have higher nutrients to these. cattle and they get a higher level of.

omega-3s they get inside their meat and. that means the meat their flesh is more. nutritious. So you get more nutrition. for your money. So grass-fed sprout. finish plain view beef I don't I I. sponsor them but I don't get any money. Uh I just promote them because I'm a. physician. I don't want you don't have. to pay me money to say something good. So, I like that that particular type of. I also like Pmanis. I like White Oak. pastures. Uh, and I like US Wellness.

Those are all grass-fed, grass-finished. uh um ranchers providers, right? And. they're they're right here in America. >> And on the cuts. >> and ribe eyes, New York strips, hamburger, if it's grass-fed, grass-finish, you want that fat. But if. it's grass-fed, grainfish, or just all. grain, cut the trim the fat off. Go with. the leaner cuts like New York strips or. fillets. Don't get the hamburger if it's. grain-fed because it will be more. inflammatory, higher levels of omega.

sixes and just not as good. But. grass-fed, grass-finish or grass-fed. sprout finished, higher nutrition, and. you can get any cut you want. Eat nose. totail and um and then and you'll you'll. have a higher level of nutrition and be. healthy. If it's just grass-fed, because. most of us just go to the grocery store. and it doesn't say anything about how. it's finished, just says grass-fed. Should we be eating the whole thing? Like, is the fat in that product Yeah. >> okay to eat or no? >> Yeah. It's better than than no grain, no.

grass-fed at all. But here's an. interesting thing, like you you talked. about grass-fed. One of the things I've. noticed when I eat grass-fed and. grass-finished that you're you you. extract a lot more nutrients uh in that. So, take a picture, take a look at this. So, this is an interesting phenomena. that happens to my clients. Um that uh. is a yellow mountain or yellow green. Mountain Dew. They put this color in.

because it creates a signal and makes. you want to buy. It's a positive signal. in your brain that that's good. >> Well, here's the interesting thing. When. you start eating grass-fed, grass-finish. and you eat ferments, I never told you. this. Surprise, surprise. >> That that jar on the B the left is. urine. That's green fluorescent green. >> That looks like a witch's brew. >> And you you'll start peeing a. fluorescent green. What. >> when you eat grass-fed grass finish with. a healthy microbiome really? So my. clients are all waiting to to pee green.

and then they get in the client group. I'm starting to pee green and it's a and. then I've done this a hundred times. Megan when I go and start eating grain. because sometimes my boys would come. back from Texas A&M and I'd have to hit. Costco. I mean those those kids are. eating a lot. I'm you know military. family. So we'd go buy a lot of steaks. at Costco and green urine would. disappear. >> and then when the boys would go home go. back to school I'd eat the grass. The. green urine would come back. Oh, >> and so the reason is is heem heem is.

present in higher count he. >> so he emme is is higher in grass-fed. grass-finish meat and lower in grain-fed. and it vegans don't get it so vegans. don't get to pee green they don't have. this really attractive I know they're. missing out on it but the it really. turns on your microbiome so the degree. of your microbiome adds to your ability. to do that. And one trick if you're.

listening today and you want to try. eating, you know, getting this green. pee, and I call it the ultimate bioflex, like you ain't nothing unless you can. pee green, you know, is to take a from a. piece of meat. You take um grass-fed, grass-finished liver because that has. way more heem in it. >> Oh. >> And you eat that liver and then you have. a higher concentration. I do. >> How do you prepare it? I So I have a. little interesting way of doing it. I. take it and I blend it for 10 seconds.

>> E. >> with water. I know. And then I add a. little keer and I shake it up. So I add. a little ferment to it. >> Yeah. >> And then I usually add a little brine. I. shake it up and then I eat it like a. little kid. Drink it. I hold my nose. Yeah. >> Because it tastes like iron. And I drink. it in one shot down. It's like 10 gulps. I get that liver and two hours later I'm. peeing green. >> Oh, >> from that grass-fed grass-finish liver. >> When we went to Scandinavia, we went to. a farmer's house for a a lunch, the.

whole family. And uh I don't eat fish. I. just don't like it. I never have. And it. was all fish. We forgot to ask what the. menu would be. And I was like right on. the water in Norway. And um it was all. fish, which it was like, "Okay, fine." I. was making my way through it with, you. know, a polite bite here or there. And. then she brought out this fish that was. like in the shape of a bell. I don't. know. It had been like formed and it was. fried. And uh one of my kids asked, "How. how did you make this?" And the woman.

the mom, this Norwegian woman, you know, stout, sturdy lady was like, "Oh, WE PUT. THE WHOLE FISH IN the blender and we. just blend it up and then we use the. cookie cutter thing to make the shape.". I was like, "Is anyone else sweating? I think I need to step outside." Just. the thought of a freaking blended fish. I was like, I'm not sure I'm gonna make this. Anyway, blended livers. Not quite that. bad, but it's up there.

>> You should have shared that with Chvy. Chase for a new vacation movie. >> Yes, it could. It was that level. All. right, let me go through a couple of. other things. I I I know I'm jumping all. over the place now, but we I only have. another 40 minutes with you and I want. to make it count. Um, Steve Krakow, our. executive producer, wanted to know, is. there any way other than the MRI to. figure out what your visceral fat is? >> Yeah, great question. So, the other way. to visualize visceral fat, and by the. way, the only ways to directly visualize. is by by either an MRI or CT scan. So, a.

lot of people will report that their. levels of visceral fat are X amount. because they do a DEXA scan. So let me. just say DEXA is a technology that's. completely incapable of directly. visualizing and measurable visceral fat. What it does is it looks at overall body. fat and it does an interpretation. through algorithms that's based on your.

your weight and uh what it sees in fat. and your muscle and it extrapolates what. an average person would have. So, it. doesn't really measure your visceral. fat. Doesn't image your visceral fat. You can't see it on a DEXA scan, but you. can on a CT and MRI. Well, what's the. difference between CT and MRI? MRI is. better resolution. You can see it more. And CT less resolution and it also uses. radiation. and uh and the MRI uses magnetic field.

So I have my clients using safe magnetic. field non nonionizing. MRIs. Uh they get a better image. And by. the way, the the clearer you see this. disease, >> the more your life changes. So the MRI. like it's going to be about 2400 bucks. >> About $2,400. >> Not cheap, but it's not. >> That's a full body. >> I thought it was going to be 10 times as. much. >> Yeah. It's a full body $2,400 from PNUVA.

where we sent you to. They're the best. in the country that I've ever seen uh. for capturing. The imaging is the best. And how they. >> and can I tell you it was quite. pleasant. I I was lying there. It wasn't. uncomfortable at all. You know, like one. time I had to have an MRI on my shoulder. and it was so uncomfortable because your. arm has to be back like this for. prolonged periods. It was just lying, you know, supine. And um they they gave. me the little eye piece, you know, this. thing like this mask over your eyes and. I watched um The Gentlemen. Uh you could.

pick your show on Netflix or what have. you. It was very pleasant. They had good. snacks. They had delicious coffee. >> They're really good. >> It was very nice. >> Yeah, they they got it down the the best. science, the best imaging they're and. they also standardize it. So I sent all. my clients there if I can. Now, some. clients are in foreign countries, although they're also in Dubai and some. some other foreign countries, London. Um, but you can also instead of just. getting a full body scan, you can just. get an abdominal scan. >> and abdominal scan frequently will.

capture at least some of the heart. So, you can see that. >> you have it. You have visceral fat. You. don't if you can't afford the MRI, just. know that you have it and you have to do. something about it. That's I mean, really, the odds of you not having it, I. think, are pretty slim. If you've been. eating any processed foods or your. regular American, >> we hope to get the price down. If the if. America starts tracking visceral fat, the price will come down through scales. of economy. Okay. >> And so I think there's a future that. it's going to come down cheaper. >> Um Okay. So that's that's we're talking.

about her diagnosis. Again, forgive me. for jumping around, but I want to hit. all my points. I didn't ask you about. your lunch and your dinner. We just did. the breakfast. >> Yeah. So my lunch will oftentimes be. just a different variant. I will have. more meat. Sometimes it's a completely. different meat. So, um I might go from. ribe eyes just to New York strips or I. might start doing massive amounts of. hamburgers. So, I take hamburgers. I. don't make patties. I take the square. hamburgers and break them in half twice.

so they're squares. They're nice and. thick. And I grill them. I like it. medium rare to rare inside. And uh that. I'll eat tons of those. I'll eat like. 12, you know, three pounds of hamburger, put some uh cheese on it, and all my. fermentss. >> Only the cheese that was approved. >> Yes. Only, you know, I had no Valvita. I. I just. >> cheddar. You said that was a new one. >> Aged. Aged. So, it's just a like the. grocery store have that. >> So, yeah. And it will often times be on. a on a on a on a label. It will say aged.

like one year, aged six months. The. older the better. the more. >> if you don't want to do all the. fermentss all over your t your plate cuz. you're rushed or whatever. Is it okay to. just have the cheese and the burger cuz. the cheese is the. >> ferment I mean a little bit. Yeah. And. sometimes honest to god I have to do. that because you know that I only could. get like one. I'm going somewhere on the. move. I'm going all over the place. So. sometimes I can't get you know fermented. vegetables, kimchi. Now Asian markets.

are everywhere all over the world but. sometimes you can't get it and you can. get cheese. And so I at least will eat. um the living cheese with my meat um and. and get it in that. >> improves it. Okay. So then we get to the. dinner. Now you have sometimes a chef. who helps you. You don't eat with the. chef every night, but I have to show the. audience a bit of this video because. I I had hope reappear in my life when I. saw this video. It looked so elegant and. so lovely and inviting. I was like, "Oh,

okay." Because at first I'm thinking. every meat forever more I'm going to. have a hunk of burger and like a bunch. of sauerkraut. That doesn't sound like a. life. And then I saw this video and I. started thinking about it very. differently. Let's play some of what Dr. Sean's chef prepared when he had a guest. over. >> Every fruit on here is fermented and. every nut or seed, anything that I use. is always fermented. On the bottom you. have a pumpkin uh cavas with a little.

bit of sour cream. I actually took the. barbcoa sauce and then fermented that. So it's guajillo chilis, pia peppers, and um organic tomatoes. And then you. have just a sprinkle of a lava salt. And. then you have a bee monte's pan pana. And then New York strip and ribeye. >> Yum. Looks delicious. Everything's.

fermented other than. >> Absolutely. No, none of that is not. fermented. It's all fermented except for. the meat. And um my chef is exquisite. He's the best in the in in the world. that I'm aware of with fermentation. adding. >> He's got to do a cookbook ASAP. >> He is. He and I are writing a cookbook, the living diet cookbook. Good. So we we. name the living diet. So we'll do that. I'm going to have a white code on mine, the doctor white coat. He'll have a chef. code on the cover. I like it and we'll.

launch it. But yeah, he's great. He he. works with my clients to make sure that. they can eat well. You you you can eat. super healthy and super delicious. A lot. of people like you were afraid uh. initially that if you're going to eat. healthy, you're going to have to dive. down into a world where it's not. palatable and it's not uh sensational. It can be every bit um of the delicious. meal that people are eating right now. Yeah. Only these meals actually make you. better instead diseasing you.

>> And know it looked elegant. I mean I I. very much. >> I would be happy to serve that at a. dinner party. Um. >> back to the bathroom. You talked about. the urine, but we didn't talk about the. number two because I did see what you. said about this. Um I don't know, maybe. it was New York Magazine or the Wall. Street Journal. I can't remember, but it. was very funny. And I'm just going to. I'm just going to read what you said. Uh, when you start eating healthy, you. don't need toilet paper. Animals in the.

wild have no residual stool on their. anus. He described a proper bowel movement to. me this way. Uh, odorless, wipe-free, over in 3 to seven seconds, and nearly. orgasmic. Okay, that's that's a bridge. too far. But it could you just explain? So. everything's going to change in the. bathroom. >> Yes. So you're only as good as you. defecate and as you pee. So your. biological functionality.

really is a marker of how healthy you. are. So over the thousands of clients. I've worked with, uh they they're able. to defecate so much better. overcome. constipation and uh they have a stool. that picture of the stool. >> It's just a it's not a real one. It's. just a graphic, but they do teach this. in medical school. And this is the. Bristol stool chart. And what you want. is stool like four, the number four. that's pointy. And when you have pointy. stool, >> looka,

>> you don't have residual stool on your. anus. And animals in the wild don't need. toilet paper because they have a healthy. functioning anus. and your anus uh is a. an marker of how healthy you are. And. when you toilet trained your kids, you. taught them to wipe and you said, "Mommy. says to wipe, daddy says to wipe," and. there was nothing on that toilet paper. because their little anuses and their. gas intestinal tracts were so healthy. And so what happens is you have a. rectum. It fills with stool. The stretch.

receptors get triggered. It tells the. the host, the organism to start moving. towards the bathroom. You're going to. have a bowel movement. Uranus is on the. outside. It's actually folded in. And as. you have a bowel movement, it opens up. and comes unfolds and there's a little. tiny hole that creates that little tip. on the initial part of that stool. Little tiny tip and then it opens up to. a preformed kind of a a distance. It. kind of it's like a superco computer. You have a normal shaped stool and then.

when the stretch receptors relax, it. starts a program to close it perfectly. And that's why a healthy stool has. points on each end. And when you wipe, there's no stool. So I tell my clients, my report card is how well this works. And your report card, eventually you. won't have to you won't have any. residual stool. Wow. >> And you'll have these ghost wipes where. you wipe and your your anus is super. And when you are having a school like. that, you're running, you're sprinting, you're standing, you're enjoying life to.

a new level, you're having sexual. relations with your your spouse, like. whole way better level of living than. you've ever lived before. And yeah, the. fact that we and COVID everybody needed. toilet paper because we were so. diseased. So I often tell my clients, you're going to make this up coming and. work with me and the amount of money. you're going to save in toilet paper. alone, you know, for the rest of your. life. So yeah, how well you defecate, how well you pee is an expression and a. marker of how healthy you are.

>> And not only that, but you also. mentioned like in the bedroom for men, you should expect potentially better. performance because you got the whole. blood flow going. You got like better. circulation the same way I could see. your vein pumping in your arm. >> Yes. So blood flow really is is all over. your body. So your genitalia is, you. know, really should be a biomarker of. how healthy you are, but you don't want. to take a pill to be able to achieve an. erection if you're a male. You want to. have a lifestyle that allows you to have. a super healthy erection. And what we.

have noticed and it wasn't taught in. medical school. I have this conversation. in urologists is when clients get a a. much healthier erection. They report. this little teeny balance that started. out and then the balance would get. bigger and more prominent. So there are. these 60-year-old males no longer need. Viagra seialis. They get a fantastic. erection and this little bounce that. eventually turns to this big bounce. And. just imagine 50,000 years ago before. there was the sacrament of matrimony and.

marriage and things there'd be you know. males walking around they would get an. erection the ma the the maids of waiting. in some watering hole would be attracted. to that male with a big bounce because. he had better profusion and better. genetics and he would hunt better. you'd. see that bounce. You're like, "This guy. is going to provide some massive woolly. mammoth meat to me that I'm gonna live. well and compared to the person with. like a little teeny bounce or no bounce.

at all and it's just like drooping. down." So that that blood flow is key, but not just to your genitalia, to your. brain, to your to your liver, to your. heart, uh to your muscles, and to your. skin. So health is your whole package. you know how well you look. So these. little attributes are just part of the. biometrical expression but there's it's. the whole body. >> Okay. So the other piece of it is. outside of eating there's exercise and.

then there there are lifestyle things. like I know you mentioned cold plunge. which you like. You love sauna. You told. me I should go in the sauna every day. which I will and I have been. Um ideally. dry dry sauna versus infrared 20 minutes. if you can do it. sweat. You want to be. sweating and you have maintained on. social media that the better shape you. get in with the eating program and. everything, the sooner you'll sweat. So, I believe that because I'm not a good. sweater, but I will be. >> You will be. >> Um, but can we talk about the exercise?

Because if you if you go to Dr. Sean's. Instagram, you're going to see he's. ripped. There's a lot of shirtless. videos of you on there. And you say you. only do five minutes of exercise a day. >> I do. >> So, explain this. >> Yes. So the the bottom line is we have. exercised incorrectly when we set up. this study to get rid of chronic disease. for the National Science Foundation. We. studied we we forgot the science because. it's not working. We're falling apart.

We studied what goes on in nature. They. have no visceral fat, no heart fat, no. muscle fat. So how do they exercise? How. do they eat? We copied those things and. we put humans into doing those tasks. So. how do animals exercise is they have. bites. They they sprint fight or flight. You may be a journalist, but. biologically you're a hunter gatherer. and the way you always exercise our. species is fight or flight. It's not. chronic exercise. I'm sorry, but not.

chronic exercise. We get our clients to. stop doing durational exercise. It's. fight or flight. It lasts about one to. five minutes and then it's done. It's a. big fight or a big sprint. And so we get. our clients to save gobs of time. Most. of them are like senators or governors. or highlevel executives. They love the. fact that we save them time instead of. having to go to a gym and work out for. 30 to 45 minutes a day. We get them. sprinting for a few seconds a day and.

doing push-ups and pull-ups and lifting. weights. And the ROI on that is. phenomenal. We see that fat disappearing. on MRIs. We see the fat leaving in their. legs and their skeletal muscle. We see. the fat around their rectum disappearing. through maximum intensity exercise. So. the bottom line is everybody else is. lifting wrong, exercising incorrectly. It's fight or flight. That's how you're. meant to design and it's recovery. period. And and so that's that's why we.

do that. If somebody goes outside today. now, I know it depends on how old they are, but how what does a sprint look like? I. mean, and you were saying don't do it on. your treadmill. Do it out on the road. >> So, we Yeah, we believe in nature. But. first, before anybody thinks that they. can go exercise with a belly full of. visceral fat and do a sprint uh or lift. weights, they got to be medically clear. That disease set you up. The more. disease you have, the more likely is.

you're going to get strained. Think. about a a deer that's that's at its end. of life. It can still sprint. It looks. good. You probably wouldn't even be able. to tell it's an old deer. You sure can. tell an old human because the amount of. chronic disease they have. But um that. visceral fat can set you up to have an. injury when you start sprinting. So you. got to ease into this. So, I have my. clients start eliminating visceral fat, work with our um I don't really call. them coaches or work with our executive. consultants or biological consultants.

that work with people to help them get. started into sprinting and lifting. weights. So, you want to be medically. cleared. You want to ease into this. Start eliminating your visceral fat and. also improving the inflammation in your. visceral fat before even as your. visceral fat is going down. the very. characteristic of that fat is going down. and and it improves your performance as. that happens. So just a little bit of. visceral fat reduction dramatically. changes people's faces, their bodies and.

their level of performance. >> So what would what does this typical. sprint look like? >> Uh typical sprint that we have people do. is about 10 uh 10 seconds maybe 15. seconds long. Start slow and slowly. accelerate because the acceleration is. where the injury happens. when you're. first accelerating. And think about this. in the wild, like people like I got all. these athletes attacking me when I said. you want to be able to sprint that. animals in the wild sprint. If animals. are grazing and they go from zero miles.

per hour to 60 in like no time flat, there's no warming up. I mean, yeah, humans have to warm up because we're so. diseased, but that's not your ideal. state. Your ideal state is to be. standing and suddenly gunfire and or car. coming towards you and you can sprint. out of the way. We've all seen those. videos of the the fat guy can barely get. out of the way, you know, gets clobbered. because they can't react fast enough. In. nature, that's how you get eliminated. from the gene pole. In humans, you want. to have a capability of reacting.

instantly, very quickly, not needing to. warm up. That is your optimal, you know, state that you want to get to. So that's. where I work with clients so they can. react in a nancond to any kind of a. threat that's going on or a tough. question. When you're a litigator, you're handing somebody on a stand, you're cross-examining, you can react. very quickly because to the extent you. can react physically, you can react. intellectually. So physiology and.

cognitive capabilities go together. So. 15 seconds you'd go out there assuming. you've got you've built it up to this. point. You go out there 15 seconds you. you start off slow and then you you go. full bore. >> full bore for 10 to 15 seconds. >> and then you rest for how long after. that? >> Uh and then you you usually I try to get. people to rest until their their. shortness of breath goes away. And by. the way, I've yet to see any form of. exercise get you more to short of breath. in 10 seconds than a sprint. I mean, I.

can go get a gigantic barbell and and. put as much weight on as possible and. try to lift it for 10 seconds or even. lift it for 10 seconds. I'm not as short. as breath as I get and doing the test. because you just use so much muscles. So, you wait until it comes back down. and then you do another like how many of. those or you just keep doing it until. five minutes are done? >> Yeah, you do. Um I'll do it over five. minutes and actually my best favorite. thing to do is to do about six sprints. uh of about 10 seconds and I do it over. the course of eight hours. every hour,

you know, when I'm doing productions, when I'm doing admin, I'm reviewing. scans, I'm I'm working with clients, I'll go out and do a short sprint and I. have. >> Wait, one sprint or you do the five. minute thing every. >> 30 seconds, six every hour, a 30 second. sprint. >> Wow. >> Okay. >> Bless you. >> Excuse me. And I mix it up. And then. executives when they open up a report. and the KPI and the company is doing. bad, drop and do push-ups or go out and.

do sprints. >> 15 seconds. >> Yep. You just jacked up your cortisol. And what's killing Americans are is. unreovered stress. You just tolerate it. But I I have told people that go into. the White House situation room. >> Do push-ups in the situation room. Do. push-ups in your boardroom. Do push-up. When life happens, answer the stress. that you get with some brief intense. form of exercise and that's how you get.

rid of stress that is otherwise causing. disease and ultimately can lead to your. early demise, deteriorate your face, your health, your performance. So you. look at poor Senator Mitchell today. stress from being um you know sorry. McConnell uh the the U majority leader. that he had for that period of time you. accumulate all that stress and it causes. cognitive decline but it happened to Joe. Biden. So politicians, business. executive, chairmans of the board, singers, performers, journalists running.

shows, you meet you get stress. You got. to meet that stress through recovery, doing some kind of form of of intense. exercise. But it doesn't take a lot. And. so in studies, analopes when they get. attacked by lions and tigers, when. they're before the attack, their. cortisol is going up. The lion and. tigers are milling around. Those. analopes are restless. They're moving. around. But when the when the attack. happens, they're sprinting. And the. adrenaline and the mild kinds that get. released lower your cortisol. Now,

durational runners, they're out jogging. And when when they jog for a long time, it raises their cortisol, they stop. jogging, they go back to their house, they're drinking water, the cortisol. stays elevated. When you do a sprint, many studies show you don't even bump. the cortisol up in a short sprint, but. if you do enough on them, it will go up. And then when you stop sprinting, it. goes down. Ready for this? Lower than. when you started that sprint. So that's. how you improve yourself as. >> What about how did how do you do you get.

muscles? I mean, you're obviously doing. more than sprinting. >> When you sprint, if I could only do one. thing, I couldn't lift weights. Um I. couldn't do anything else. It would be a. sprint. So what happens like this this. guy whose example the best MRI scan with. the best the biggest muscles that I've. ever seen in inside a core this guy. right here at the bottom all he did was. sprint. He did nothing else. He was a. one. >> What about for your arms? Because you. need. >> it causes myocans that produce your arms.

and when you sprint you're using your. arms. >> Oh. >> And so I learned this when I became a. researcher. I put blood flow restriction. bands on my arms. Oh, >> and I realized when I added those in, I. got much more short of breath. >> So, Megan, you use your arms like crazy. in a sprint. You think it's just your. legs, but that's why you get so short a. breath in a sprint. >> And so, you want to be sprinting. If you. could only do one thing, >> you want to be able to do sprinting, but.

do other things. Push-ups, pull-ups, and. lifting weights. >> for how long? Like if you were doing. push-ups just to the point of exhaustion. or. >> exhaustion, you can't do anymore until. I'm praying to God. Ask me to do one. more. Dear God, help me. Help me. I go. right to sheer exhaustion because that's. how you fought when you were fighting. for your life. You don't say, "Oh, I. think I'm going to stop and die." No. If. you exercise in that manner with that. level of intensity, you produce a higher. level of myioine, which tells your body. to do two things. burn deadly fat and.

produce beneficial muscle. Okay. And so. that's why we get great results. >> We got 10 minutes. So we gota we got to. tear through these last things. You say. kids can do this. >> Yes. >> Talk to your doctor. He won't like it. Um but because I was saying, you know, like my my teenager, how's he supposed. to do it? He has to go into school and. eat at the lunch counter, which is. definitely not going to have fermentss. and grass-fed beef. >> Yes. So lunch counters often times in. schools have very poor levels of health.

But look at these kids. Even kids can do. this. So these are two different MRI. scans on these kids. But look look at. their faces. They're they have inflamed. looking faces. So this is happening. Visceral fat is accumulating face. >> We have the permission to show this on. >> we do. This family came to me and they. want this. And in fact this was shared. with very very high level people in our. government. But look at their faces. how. much they changed. So their thin little. pale lips become big and red and healthy.

and their eyes become healthy. Their. faces, this is six months of eliminating. visceral fat by working with their mom. and dad. And by the way, both sets of. grandparents did this together. The. entire family, 11 of them came to me. um. they caused me a lot of I was doing a. lot of sprints those three days trying. to scan 11 of them and they sit down and. go through all of them. But when. families do this together, they get even. better results than. >> What do they eat at lunch? What do they. eat at school lunch?

>> They eat um they eat meat and they also. bring ferments. Now these kids happen to. be homeschooled, >> so they're homeschooled and so they have. a little bit of advantage. But um I'm. working um trying to work with a school. I I can't quite say but it is it's a. school that Sorry. >> Oh wow. >> It was in the news and we're going to. get this diet into that. >> school in Minnesota. >> Oh. Oh no. >> Yeah. We're going to do it there. >> The Catholic school that was the subject. of the shooting.

>> Yeah. >> Oh, that's terrible. >> Yeah. They they approached me. So, we're. >> we're going to do it and then they want. to they they approached me. >> and they want to be a model for the rest. of the our dascese and the rest of the. country. >> So, I'm just it's such a great thing. I. can't wait to tell Secretary Kennedy. that story. >> But God bless you. >> Yeah. We're going to help those kids and. uh and so they they want me to microbes. >> They want to do this. So, I'm just so so. excited. >> For the audience, the um the pictures. are remarkable. They're little boys who.

they look maybe six years old to me, seven. And uh their faces are completely. like shrunken in the second picture in a. good way. Like their their bone. structure has come out, their lips have. come out, their their big eyes are more. beautiful. Like it's it's a remarkable. difference. Um okay, I want to keep. going. >> The uh can we talk about the dental. >> the dental floss? I mean, I told you. about I I floss obsessively. I'm a big. flosser. And you were like, "Stop doing.

that unless you're going to rinse with. ferment brine afterward." I'm like, "What?". Basically, I got to go downstairs and. grab the pickle juice. >> Yeah. >> Keep a little jar of it in next to my. sink or the sauerkraut juice or apple. cider vinegar. And what what do what. >> So, you want a variety. So think when. you floss you disrupt you like araid. those tissues and you're perturbing the. skin and you're opening up your immune. system and so when you uh just leave it.

open uh other pathogens from your tongue. bofilms can get in and these travel to. your gut and to your brain and we found. that it's associated with dementia. But. what we have our clients doing is. flossing, perturbing those immune. systems, opening them up, and then. rinsing, swishing around with fermented. brine, which adds beneficial microbes. >> Just the juice of kimchi, fermented. sauerkraut, fermented carrots, even.

yogurts and keers. >> So do it like a mouthwash. Swish it. around in there, spit it out. >> Yeah. Don't use antiseptic mouthwashes. within 15, 20 minutes of using like. Listerine or some product like that. you. actually raise your blood pressure. It. perturbs your physiology. But adding in. these fermentss is the way to go and uh. will significantly improve your oral. health and your overall health. >> You are a big proponent of sleep like. every doctor on earth. Um but you have. like a re recommendation or two for what.

to do when you can't sleep and how to. improve your chances of falling asleep. and staying staying asleep. >> Yeah. So the healthier you are, the. better you'll be able to sleep. But one. big problem. >> Can I just say just not for nothing but. last night I slept like a baby and I. have sleep problems. >> Yeah. >> Night one. I don't know if it's like. psychological but it like a baby. >> The microbes help you sleep so much. better. >> They really involved in the production. of melatonin the microbiome. Nothing. will improve a human being more than. getting visceral fat. And the way to do.

that is optimizing your microbiome. That's the strategies we use focus. Would you also like to take the lights. down and do like these Himalayan. >> stuff? When you have lights that are. from LEDs, it's like eating processed. foods. So, what you want are. incandescent light bulbs or light that. goes through pink Himalayan salt with a. natural red rather than like red glass. A lot of people doing like online. influencers recommend red incandescent. light bulbs. Just getting pink himalayan.

salt, the natural color tones that good. the good Lord and mother nature made and. have that and it's like a campfire. >> You put that on in your living room all. over our house. It's campfires. Every. room we have these pink Himalayan salt. lamps and when I travel and the and and. people like senators and governors very. high people they have these you know. incandescent light bulbs and these pink. Himalayan salt lamp light bulbs and it's. a glowing red when they travel and they. sleep so much better getting rid of the.

light pollution. So. >> it's not going to work for kids who have. to do homework until the we hours of. evening unfortunately. >> No, but you know you can at least get. them on incandescent light bulbs and it. cuts out the blue spike. They can still. see. So go back, buy incandescent light. bulbs. There's a great company called. Strainless Lighting. I don't have. >> President Trump. We can get those again. >> I don't have Yeah. Thanks. Thanks to. President Trump. I don't have any. affiliation with strainless lighting, but it was a college kit. He genius of. strainless. So no strain. Okay. Strainless lighting. He knows he.

couldn't sleep in his college dorm room. He got an incandescent light and he. started sleeping better. Now he launched. this company, sells these little lights. with incandescent light bulbs. Absolutely love these lights. I given. them to cabinet members and. >> wow, >> you know, senators and stuff to have. these lights when they travel. It's a. little small thing you can put in your. in your suitcase. And so incodescent. light is beneficial because it has a. blue spike and it doesn't flicker. These. lights going on and off with LED lights.

flickering cause inflammation and. disrupt your melatonin and disrupt your. physiology. And you also say if you do. wake up in the middle of the night, rather than tossing and turning for 20. minutes in the bed, what should you do? >> Yeah. So, people that have that uh often. times they're getting a cortisol spike. And so, to eliminate that, if you get. some uh particularly fasting can make. you a little craze, crave a little more. carbohydrates, want to wake up. But if. you take some probiotics or drink some. kimchi brine before you go to bed,

you'll sleep through that and you won't. do that. If you still wake up, you could. have a little teaspoon of that kimchi. brine. You know, it's non-caloric and. and a little non-cllorinated water and. it'll ease you right back into sleep. >> Wow. >> So, that's a little tip. Your microbiome. is your most underutilized asset that. almost nobody's taking advantage of. And. that's why it's Wall Street Journal, you. know, New York Times, the Times of. London, the Financial Times, all these,

you know, stories are picking up and it. it's it's just spreading. >> What are we not anticipating? What makes. people quit? >> Well, I think a big a big problem is bad. microbes they have in them that war. against them getting healthy. Here's the. thing. I'll just come out and say it at. the risk of alienating the audience. the. microbes you have in you, where they. reproduce and what their mission is. dictates what they're going to do in. you. And so if they live in you and.

reproduce in you, their full life cycle, they're helping you. They're creating. metabolites to help the host organism. But let me ask this question. What. happens if they can't complete their. life cycle in you, but only in dirt? There's something like toxopplasmosis. that can only complete its life cycle in. a cat. Well, they cause rats when toxo. gets in them. You were told when you. were pregnant to stay away from cat.

litter boxes. >> Toxo causes a rat to lose its fear of a. cat and it literally walks around very. prominently so that the cat sees the. rat, catches it, kills it, and eats it. Oh. >> Because the toxo drives the rat to die. This is a way of saying what. >> So, what it means is your microbes where. they complete their life cycle influence. where they're going to help you or hurt. you. So, the ones that need to complete. their life cycle in the soil may be.

harming the host to kill the host to get. it into the dirt. >> So, don't go on instinct is your point. No, to not go on instinct. >> Well, you want to get the very best. microbes in you that complete their life. cycle inside of you. And that comes the. best collection you can get that I can. think of comes from fermented foods. >> All right, we've got one minute left. So. far, I feel kind of heavy in the stomach. one day into it. Is that unusual? >> No. Very often when people change their. diet, start adding in fermented foods.

and eat more meat, their microbiome. needs to adjust over a period of time. So, just take it as an indication great. things are happening inside of you and. great things are coming. I I can't wait. to report back uh on the bathroom, the. bedroom, the the street in front of my. house as I run like the wind. There's a. lot to do. I'm actually excited to try. it and uh I love that you gave us all. this time and and thank you so much for. everything you've done for me, Sean. It's been a pleasure getting to know. you. >> Well, thank you for being a brave.

American, have me come on your show, sharing it with the audience. It means. so much to me. I'm so grateful. >> Ah, to be continued. This is the. beginning of a beautiful relationship. >> I hope so. Check them out. Is there a. website, Sean? >> Yeah, you find out more for me. Dr. Sean. Omera.com. D rs an om.com. >> Awesome. Thanks for joining. We'll see. you all tomorrow.