Taylor Swift's "Disney" Wedding, Harry's UK Plot, and Guthrie Ransom Debate, with Maureen Callahan

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and as America is about to celebrate its. 250th, that was a nice little gift that. our soccer players gave us. Plus a big. wedding appears to be in the works in. New York City this weekend. I mean, I'm. still wondering if it's a head fake. I've got to be honest. Um you may have. heard about it. Uh we're going to get. into all the details. They say it's the. wedding of the century. I think Lauren. Sanchez Bezos would beg to differ. Um. but who better to discuss it all with. than Maureen Callahan? She's host of The. Nerve with Maureen Callahan. If you.

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>> We have such goodness to go through. today. I we have to start with Taylor. >> Oh yeah. >> So reportedly she's getting married to. Travis Kelsey this weekend at Madison. Square Garden. >> As one does. >> As one does. And that. they're outside right now like. fabricating the. castle that they are reportedly building. for inside MSG where she's going to walk. down the aisle look at this there's. video of workers.

he's throwing a hammer down he's mad. because somebody tells him that. it's supposed to be purple that that the. what they're building the castle is. supposed to be purple can we show that? Okay here he is throws the look. >> I love this guy. >> Somebody tells him it's not supposed to. be a red carpet it's supposed to be a. purple carpet reportedly. You could see. how he speaks for us all. >> National hero. >> Right he's like what am I doing here? >> Reveal yourselves. >> Where is where are the Knicks. where is my sports. >> to testosterone and really you know.

legitimate events at the garden first of. all I love it because it's it's. it's like. removing the red carpet and replacing it. with a lilac carpet is kind of gay. adjacent. >> [laughter]. >> Right gay adjacent. >> It's like lavender it's like we're. saying it's a lavender marriage I'm not. saying it is but like and I'm so some. some might say some might say now I'm I. been I used to I was of the belief that. this was an enormous distraction. technique like a side. >> Me too. Me too. >> Like a CIA level side. >> Yes. >> Everybody look over here and then we're.

going to go because you know what I've. been thinking about during this whole. thing is um JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette. >> Yep. >> snuck off, got married on a remote. island, nobody knew till it was over. >> South Carolina? What. >> Cumberland Island off the coast of. Georgia. >> Okay. >> Right? Yeah, all right. These two, when this divorce happens. spectacular. divorce happens. >> We're already going to the place that. hurts. >> I don't want to hear it. I don't want to. hear we request our privacy at the at. this time. We are building a Disney. castle.

She's building a Disney castle. inside the. >> Like I've seen the photos like they're. they're wheeling in like monster. balustrades of like like like like an. enormous staircase and there's a baby. grand coming in and and. I think you know, it's funny. I was. thinking I I'm having um. friends out for the holiday weekend and. I was shopping for my goddaughter. and I was like, what is this are these. items are these toys I want to get her? Are they too young for her?

She's seven. >> Yeah. >> This is like a seven-year-old's idea. >> Right. >> of a of what a grand wedding is. It's. it's Swift's big fat Disney wedding. >> Yes. It's like at first I really did not. believe that she and he would get. married at Madison Square Garden. It's. so on the nose in terms of like. attention getting. And I just so gauche. And then I remembered. what does she do? Like she shows up in. the player's box for every single one of.

his games and make sure she's front and. center and seen on camera the whole. time. You know, you you could attend that his. games without being front and center the. whole game. She makes sure she's at the. center of that box. She shows up at the Knicks games. She. doesn't even like the Knicks. She she. was rooting against them a couple weeks. earlier when she was next to Travis. Kelce at at one of the events. Um she. makes sure she's courtside and she's. going crazy for the miracle at MSG as. though she's some lifelong Knicks fan, which she isn't. >> Mhm. >> You know, she's got a little Meghan.

Markle in her where notwithstanding the. fact that we all know who she is, she's. got to make sure she's reminding us all. she's relevant, she's everywhere. Admire. me, look at me. So, yeah, it actually. does kind of track. >> I was thinking about Meghan Markle with. this because the. the new reports are and I can't believe. it didn't occur to me organically, she's. filming this. Okay, it'll be a Netflix special. Taylor's big fat Disney wedding. >> course. >> And what do you think like Travis is. thinking right now? Because this guy is.

a bruiser, okay? And as Bill from. Brooklyn often reminds me, it's so easy. to forget, he's a future Hall of Famer. Like he's a really great football. player, which has all been lost in this. in in like I I think it like we talk. about it as Taylor's wedding. Like he's. just the guy she's marrying. He's just a. handbag. >> Reminded me of the David Beckham. Victoria Beckham union because you know, did you watch that documentary? >> Mhm. >> He He's the bigger star. He always has. been the bigger star. Even though she's, you know, the Spice Girls were huge and.

Victoria Beckham, I don't even remember. her maiden name, but. she was one of the most popular Spice. Girls and um of course has made it on. her own as an independent fashion. designer who's actually very talented. I. love her stuff. Um but she's kind of an. asterisk to David Beckham. It's the. Beckhams. And it's like when these two. stars get married, necessarily one of. them's going to be bigger than the other. and it actually can cause tension and it. clearly in this union, she is she her.

fame dwarfs his. >> It's so interesting. If you think about like I'm trying to. think about celebrities where they got. together and the the the sum was greater. than the parts. I would say like Brad. and Angie when they got together. Yeah. Liz and Dick. Even you could say. JLo and Ben Affleck. As a sort of more. like fast food nation version of that. >> Back in the day Joanne Woodward and and. Paul Newman. >> Yes. Yes. And that's kind of lost now.

because we've all seen behind the. curtain and we know the tawdry stuff. that sort of goes into this stuff. And to me this feels more like a brand. merger. And for Travis Kelce who historically. has dated black women just saying. Has. he? Oh yeah, that's his type. That's his. type. >> Okay. >> Oh oh you know what I want to tell you? So this is a new thing. This is a new. development. The the origin story has. shifted. You know the origin story of. how they got together was was Travis was. just hoping for a shot with Taylor. And. he went to one of her shows and he got. backstage and he tried to meet her and.

he couldn't meet her so he left a. friendship bracelet. with his phone number on it. >> Now we're back to the lavender theme. again. >> Right. >> Sorry [laughter] but who does that? >> This is who does that. A guy Travis who. recently said. that was a joke. >> Uh. >> I it was like it was a gag. Like would. she go for it? Like I was just like. and she did. And she did and she got she. got the high school football star. She's. like she's she's so I I I find it.

fascinating how just how emotionally. arrested she is. >> Stunted I was just going to say as all. child stars are you know tend to be. She. started very very early when she was. like a hit songwriter at age 14 I think. it was. So she lost all those years becoming a. star same as Justin Bieber. And a lot there's a long long list of. child any child star. Look what happened. to poor Amanda Bynes. >> Oh god yeah. >> engender wellness no becoming a big star. at a young age. And I'm sure she is. arrested. I'm sure like when you see her.

behave whether it's you know court side. at the Knicks etc. She It telegraph to. me like mature, together, um. powerful woman, even though she is. She. is a powerful woman. She telegraphs. teenager, teenybopper, insecure, unsure of herself person. And I do I what I like about this. though, I like that she's marrying. a guy who looks like a real man. You. know, he there's no man bun. There like. he's she's making him a little weird.

with the fashion, I have to say. He's. made some weird fashion choices since he. got together with her. Not unlike what. happened with Tom Brady when he got. together with Gisele. Um but I like that she chose like a more. traditional man. I like that facial hair. and the big muscles and you know, the. football player. There's a report in. your publication The Daily Mail today. that she's going to go with his last. name. >> On the electric bill. >> [laughter]. >> Not at the stadiums. Taylor Kelsey. I know. I would think she's going to be. either Taylor Swift Kelsey or Taylor I.

don't know. Is she going to get really. going to give up Taylor Swift on her. concert sales? >> She can't. >> be surprised. And and you never know. like what happens if they get a divorce. Like. didn't Courteney Cox Arquette have to go. back to Courteney Cox after that whole. thing? >> to go down to the DMV or whatever you. do? It's a lot to untangle that, I. think. >> is. I used to be Megan Kendall. >> Oh, wow. >> When I first started at Fox. >> How did you And so like how did. >> When Dan and I got a divorce. >> You but untangling that? >> Yeah, I had to go down DMV and and. submit the proof of my divorce and then.

say I want to go back to Kelly. And can. I tell you Brit Hume tried to convince. me not to do it. >> Really? >> Yes, he was like he loved the name. Kendall. He preferred it to Kelly. I. think he thought Kelly was like ethnic. and Kendall was more generic. >> [laughter]. >> I was like, "Brit, it's my name.". >> It's like having a re- like a. non-regional accent for like a. television personality be like anodyne. and non-. >> Yes. >> That's I love I think Megan Kelly is a. much stronger name. >> Thank you. He gave me the hard sell to. keep Kendall. I'm like, "I I really. don't I love Megan Kelly as a like a.

name. I like Kelly. I don't love the. name Megan, I got to be honest. There's. a lot going on in the back of the. throat. I it's if I had it to do over. again, you know, if I got to pick my. name, I would have picked something. easier to say. Megan Kelly, it's not. easy. Say, "Megan Kelly." It's hard. You. got to really hit it in order to for it. to come out easily. >> You know, I've never really loved my. name either. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> I love your name. >> Do you really? >> Yes, it flows beautifully. I love all. the syllables. >> Really? I you know, I my mom was. thinking of naming me Kate, which I I I. think that's a strong name. >> that. >> Like you have a one syllable and then a.

three syllable last name. It's like. better rhythm. >> Kate Callahan. >> But my father said I I would have. sounded like an Irish washerwoman and he. vetoed it. So. >> Aren't all of our people like. washerwomen? Yeah, like we're. >> Yeah, pretty much. >> It's funny because one of the stories. we're going to talk about today is this. woman in the Hamptons whose husband took. his own life and you know, their their. posh lifestyle as she posited it on her. social media, but was it really? And um. they were writing about how like, well, he his he came from like a nouveau riche.

family and she had a nice background and. I was laughing like, there are people. who who deal in this. Like they don't. want their kid to get married to. somebody who doesn't have the right. pedigree. >> Mhm. >> I know some people like this. I can't. like I am so not into that. I just feel like. I I suppose we're nouveau riche, right? Is that Nouveau riche is means you made. it in your lifetime as opposed to like. >> You don't have generational wealth. You're new to having a little bit of. money and you don't know the codes. necessarily. >> Okay, that that applies. That's I'm.

guilty of all of that. Um but like I. can't imagine actually wanting like my. child to marry somebody in the social. register. Like it would like it's. important to me that they have the right. breeding. They have like their boat name. in the social register and then they're. an acceptable candidate to marry my. child. I just feel like, what a waste of. your life to worry about that. >> It's so wild. The only reason I can. think of it you know, is one thing. knowing that they're not after money, right? Like so that that's I think that. was the Meghan Markle thing, right?

>> Well, are they? But are I don't know. Like. can you like. >> True. >> If you've had it like look what happened. in the Titanic. When she she was pulling. that corset tight in the beginning and. she was saying to Rose, "All we have. left is this good name.". >> True. >> the multi-millionaire. So, you know, just because your social register type. doesn't mean you're not in it for the. money. >> Jackie Bouvier. >> Yes. >> Poor. >> That's right. >> Yeah. Had the had the breeding, but was. poor. >> She had the name, she had the breeding, she had that face. >> Yeah. >> Beautiful, those wide-set eyes.

>> Yeah. >> looked just like her. >> Yes. Yeah. So, that was the other thing, too, with Carolyn Bessette, right? They. said that JFK Jr. would never have been. able to marry her if Jackie had been. alive. >> Why? >> Because she she didn't come from their. world. She she grew up well-to-do. Her. stepfather was an is an orthopedic. surgeon. They were raised in Greenwich, went to good schools, but she wasn't. from old money and she didn't know the. codes. >> There are codes. >> Mhm. >> I mean, one of them is. a monthly trust disbursement that.

someone in the family is responsible for. reviewing. >> Bell Burdan. >> Yes. Poor Bell. >> Oh, we're not done with her over at The. Knock. We're not done. [laughter]. We haven't had a chance to talk ABOUT. THAT. >> WE WERE WE WERE ON THAT BOOK BEFORE. ANYBODY. >> That's so right, and now we're seeing. Did you see the Wall Street Journal did. a piece? >> Recently? No, what did they write? >> Oh, this is so weird. Her story's not. holding up. Like in a in a lot of. flowery sort of framing, you know? >> I think the audience knows, but just in.

case you don't, Bell Burdan wrote this. book. It's a best-seller. It's on the. best-seller list still, called Strangers, and it's about her. divorce from her husband who came home. and at one night during COVID announced. he was leaving her. Well, it was after. his affair partner's husband called Bell. Burdan to say, "Our Our partners are. having an affair.". The first night the husband said, "I'm. going to stay with you." And the next. morning, he tapped her on on the. shoulder in bed and said, "I'm leaving. I thought I was happy, but I'm not. And. her whole book is about basically what a. bastard he is and how he abandoned her. financially and she had to worry about. losing their house. And we knew from the book she was.

privileged, but we find out now, clearly thanks to the husband, that um. she had $63 million in trusts. She was. never on in the knocking on the door of. the poorhouse. >> She is descended from Standard Oil. money. Um she has many, many famous ancestors. I believe including like founding. fathers. Uh the Nerf got a a hot tip from someone. on the inside. So so we're going in.

again. Um but my favorite part of the. book, my favorite part of the book, is. when she describes her horror at the. country club one day. >> Yeah. >> And a a fellow member, a female, comes. up to her and says, "Listen, sister, this is how it's done in our world. She. should have known because she knows the. codes. Uh when a couple divorces, only. one gets custody of the country club. And it's not going to be you, okay? It's. going to be your husband.". >> He's got the connections. >> And the money and the intelligence and. all of this and they want him, not her.

And she can't believe it because she. says, "But he did me wrong. It should be. my Right?" It [laughter] doesn't matter. >> No one cares. >> Every day. Nobody cares. >> No, and you'll be kicked out of that. club just as soon as you were as soon as. quickly as you were welcomed in when. you're no longer connected to him. Although she had all the pedigree and he. had none. He was nouveau riche. >> That's right. >> Right? He made his money in the hedge. fund business. But he married her thanks to all of her. connections in that same world. She. didn't have a lot of What she had money. in trust, but like she wasn't openly. rich. And she could introduce him to all the.

right people. But wait, back on the. Travis Kelce, Taylor Swift marriage, I. agree with you. Unfortunately, I don't. think it will last. I just think there. are too many complicating factors. >> Why won't other people say this out. loud? >> I don't know. They're trying to be. polite. I mean, we're not really polite. >> I think they're also like everybody. there's a a of money to be made off this. wedding. Like all the tabloids and all. the entertainment shows and what like. there's a lot of money to be made. So, let's pretend that it's going to be. forever. >> I mean, she's How old is she? >> She's a middle-aged woman. She's 35, 36.

She's closing in on 40. >> And and she's never had a successful. relationship. Like every single. relationship has ended in some sort of a. disaster that's turned into a song in. which she berates the guy for. mistreating her. It's like a series of. failures where she's better. I don't know what his history is, but I. my own feeling is. she's too big a star and he's used to. being king bee. >> Mhm. >> Like I know that they've been dating for. a while, but as a married husband and. wife his career is going to end. I don't.

know if it's already Did he already. retire? >> No, I think he's doing one more season. >> Okay, so it's going to end very soon. And what happens to these professional. athletes when they retire from a job. like that where at the they're at the. apex of the NFL, which is just you're. like a god when you're in it at all, never mind as popular and successful as. he was. And unless you can do a Tom Brady and. parlay that into a $400 million. contract with Fox News to do announcing, which from what I hear he he will not be. able to do that.

What's your next gig? Because you need. something else, especially when you're. going to be married to this. international. superstar, arguably the most famous. woman in the world. And I think it's going to be very hard. for him. That's very tough to ask a man. of his accomplishments to do. To like settle into permanent second. fiddle. It's it can be emasculating to. the wrong guy. >> So, I have a I have a different theory. of the case. So, when they began dating. maybe 6 months in he was a cover story.

in like the Wall Street Journal. magazine. And it this is very interesting because. it was it was openly discussing Oh, I. just lost my thing. It was openly. discussing how. um. Taylor had elevated Travis and how now. he had a world of opportunity that had. not been afforded to him before as. simply an NFL player who was not known. to the like if I know who he is like. he's now super famous. >> We know his name which we. >> I never heard of him before Taylor. >> So he was he's making movies. He's got.

all these brand deals. >> making movies? >> He he he had like a cameo in a in a big. movie recently. Didn't go well but. nonetheless he got it. Um he's got this. podcast with his brother. Um now it's. spun like I I know who his brother is. Jason Kelce. I know who Jason's wife is. who also had like. she has a number one podcast. Mama. Kelce. I know who she is and she just. did UK celebrity traders. Okay, like I.

these people are infesting the culture. and it's because of Taylor. It's another. reason I I loathe her. I just want her. to go away. I hate that she's hijacking. the 4th of July weekend. I hate it. It's. the 250th anniversary of this country. >> She's not hijacking my 4th of July. weekend. >> No. I can't wait to see the photos from. this. >> Oh my god. It's going to be epic. I. can't wait to see the. >> [laughter]. >> It we got like costumes galore. I I So. what we're doing is first we're having a. parade of patriots where it's like a.

runway show we're going to put on with. with historical figures of of America. You know, we're going to start with. Christopher Columbus. We have Abe. Lincoln represented. We have JFK and. Jackie, Marilyn. We got the Wright. brothers. We got a bunch of like. surprise guests. So quote unquote. You know, I'm I'm very well connected. Maureen. I got them all. My booking on. this has been amazing. >> Interesting. >> Not everybody's getting Abe Lincoln, okay? >> You're raising the dead. >> [laughter]. >> So we're going to do that. >> Okay. >> And then we're going to do our. traditional 1776 costumes and.

declaration reading. And then we're. going to have the marching band bigger. than ever and I that's my favorite part. of every 4th of July. It's so amazing to. watch that band come down the street and. hear the drums as they come, you know, and just know this is happening and. everyone's going to get to enjoy this. amazing patriotic music and celebrate. the 4th and Independence Day together. loving America, celebrating our country, which is like. something revolutionary in today's day. and age. >> True. >> So many haters out there say we suck. I love it. It's like a big middle finger.

to those people, which is not why I do. it, but it is That's a secondary. benefit. >> Do you have to pull permits for this. thing? >> Yeah, we do. Yes. Actually, [laughter]. we do. But it's so worth it. I love it. It's. like. I look forward to this holiday almost as. much as Christmas. It's just. >> the 4th of July, too. >> So fun. >> I love it because it it it's got it it's. nothing else than. celebration. It's just nothing else. And. it's just a reminder that like if you're. lucky enough to be born in this country, you're born on third. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Celebrate it. >> Yeah. >> I even though, you know, you you see the.

numbers on the patriotism dwindling, especially on the left. The I'm a. majority do not feel patriotic on the. left. They're not They don't think this. is the greatest country. It's like, why. don't you travel more, okay? Get out. there more. >> Holy, you're not kidding. So, I just. came back from London where, you know, I. love London, but it was a heatwave in. Europe. Heatwave in Europe. And um all. the newspapers, all the news coverages, everybody you talk to, how do we handle. the heat? How do we handle? And I'm like, just be.

like America. Get air. conditioning. >> Yeah. I got I got I got a great idea. >> You know, it's like it's so culturally. weird there. Like like you'll order a. bottle of water and they'll say, you. don't want ice with that. You don't. It. it's enough. >> I do. I want it. >> I want the ice. I want a big jumbo I'm. American. Give me a big jumbo. cup of ice with [laughter] that. >> That's the same when you when you uh. order like it's over there it's all Coke. Zero. They don't do the Diet Coke. And. then they ask if you want ice with your. Coke Zero. Who would take a Coke Zero. without ice? >> Kind of heathens. >> I know. Are we barbarians? [laughter].

Obviously, we want the ice. Please. Like. it goes without saying, if you can see. that I'm American, you know I want it. Um well, anyway, so you think that as a. result, it's going to last or he's not. going to he'll be happy in the marriage. because he's getting. her fame has lifted him and he's. benefiting so much from it. >> Yeah, I think for now everything's. great. Uh Kelsey Inc. is running on all. cylinders. Everybody's getting rich and. famous and we're loving it. And I think.

eventually, listen, I think Taylor Swift. is a malignant narcissist. Yeah. Only a. malignant narcissist mounts her wedding. at MSG. >> Yeah. Tracks. >> MSG. >> Now we're getting the reports of all the. celebrities who are arriving in New York. today. I guess reportedly the the. rehearsal dinner is tonight and the the. wedding's tomorrow, right? It's not on. the 4th. The wedding's tomorrow, the the. 3rd. >> Tomorrow night, I think, right? Yeah. >> And um. I know there's like Dua Lipa and I know. a bunch of people from across the pond.

I don't know. Is there any chance we're. being head fake, Maureen, and like all. of this is and they're going to. be heading off to like some island like. JFK Jr.? >> The only thing I can think that might be. a head fake is um I think they might. already be legally married. >> Oh. >> Secretly legally married and then this. is just like scratching her enormous. uh. show biz itch. Like what it's a it's it. it Listen, that whatever chasm exists. within her will never be filled. >> Yeah, that's true. >> It like it will like.

What kind of hole do you have inside of. you where you need to stage your wedding. at Madison Square Garden? >> [laughter]. >> It's like laughable. It's truly. laughable. >> It's true. Maybe that's why she was at. the Knicks game. She was doing research. for her wedding. >> Yeah, I I I think that the floral like. the floral arrangements came I can't. wait to see the inside of this thing. I. can't. >> I can't either. I mean, like a lavender. castle? I mean, I suppose this really is. a dream for a lot of women. This This. the last thing I would want for my own. nuptials. The last thing. Though we did. get married at a castle.

>> You did? >> Yeah, we got married at Oheka Castle out. in Long Huntington, Long Island, which. is spectacular. But it was it was very. classy. We had to get married outside of. a church because I didn't have my. marriage annulled. It's an ongoing. thing. Um and we it was spectacular. There were. we got married in this ballroom that has. fireplaces at both ends. It was March. 1st. We had all the cherry blossoms that. had just started, but it was snowing. outside, Maureen. It was so beautiful. Um and we kept it small. It was like. 125, around 130 people. And it was the.

most romantic day of my life by far. >> Oh, that's wonderful. >> But it it was With that number of. people, it was truly friends. We didn't. go for like. a thousand or two thousand or MSG. It's. like we kept it intimate to people who. actually we were connected to and who. are connected to us. >> Right. Unlike, you know, Meghan Markle, like, you know, inviting Oprah and. George Clooney and celebrities she had. never before met. >> Sanchez. It's like, what is Sydney. Sweeney doing there? It was some Amazon. deal, remember?

>> Oh, right. >> owns Amazon, of course. So it was like, she's not a friend. Why is she And Tom. Brady, yeah, okay. He's not a friend, either. These are lies. These people. just want to feel connected to. celebrity. >> Exactly. And I such a To me, it's such a. like desecration of what that day and. that moment should really be about. Like. >> Yes. >> So, um I I'm I'm Listen, I'm I. appreciate the spectacle. I appreciate. the comedy. And um I'm very much looking. for Like, what does she do after this? What's the come down? Do you know what I. mean? Like the.

>> Baby baby Kelsey's going to be the. biggest news to hit the the press in. what, 15 years? >> Does Taylor, quote unquote, ruin her. body by carrying her own child? >> will. She's from the South. She's like. She's a traditional gal at heart, I. think. She Right, she's from Tennessee. The a Tennessee girl. >> farm, originally. Pennsylvania. >> Oh. >> Yeah. >> That girl does not get it the surrogate. to carry her baby. >> Really? >> I don't think so. And and um Taylor's. not known for her incredible body, you. know, it's not like a Megan Fox.

situation where it's like you think of. her that that other one Irina. who's constantly now talking about her. sex. I don't know. But like she I think. she'll have her own baby. >> Interesting. >> I think so. And like I everyone should. have their own baby. It's so crazy that. that's become a vanity trend. Have your. own damn baby. What are you saying? You're going to. farm out that among. >> Some women actually can't. So, you know, you got I get it. But I I I don't know. I think if someone like her who's so. vain, she's so vain. Like what drives me. nuts is seeing her at all these games.

And she again, she's like a teenage girl. with like she'll wear the letterman's. jacket, but it's like off the shoulder. She has to be like sexy and. >> Like her like her pal Blake. >> I was just going to say who's not on the. list. >> Right. There had been some confusion. Like we weren't sure. There was one. report that she might have gotten the. invite. She might have eked it out. Um but no, it looks like the answer's. no. She wasn't invited. So. >> And what a humiliation because Blake and. psycho arsonist Ryan live in downtown.

New York City in Tribeca. And. >> And they also have a place just north of. there. >> They do. >> Around Chappaqua or some place up there. Bedford. >> of like it's it's like your ex-best. friend is having. >> Oh yeah, in your backyard. >> literal backyard and you're not invited. >> Oh yeah. >> And it's very high school. >> Shame. >> It's very mean girls. It's very Like I I. love it. I love how Like And the other. thing that this wedding is doing for. Taylor is we're not discussing anymore. her active role in trying to destroy. Justin Baldoni, which I will never.

forget. >> Taylor's, yes, exactly. Yes. I know, she. was a participant in all of that. >> active participant. She's a mean mean. piece of work. >> And and Blake, it just comes out today. yesterday is still working on destroying. him. They she had to actually submit her. demand. What what specifically is the. demand for legal fees that you are. technically entitled to under this. California law that the court is using? And she says she wants him to pay $8. million on her legal fees just to defeat.

his defamation claim against her. So, she sued him, she smeared him, she made. up all these lies about him. He filed a counter claim for defamation. saying these are defamatory lies. She. managed to get it dismissed on the. papers and thanks to this California law. that it's weird, but whatever, protects. alleged sexual assault and harassment. victims. She's entitled to her fees and she's.

claiming just to get his counter claim. dismissed cost her $8 million in legal. fees. That is so outrageous. that no no one's If if she actually. spent that, she's insane. She's not. entitled to You You can get your. reasonable fees paid to you. But to the. end, she's punitive, she's punishing. I. guarantee you Justin Baldoni doesn't. have $8 million. You know who does? Blake Lively and Ryan Ryan Reynolds. You. can put a probably another two zeros. after that eight when you look at their. fortune thanks to him.

>> I really don't. I don't understand what she's doing. here. I don't I don't understand why. she's dragging this narrative out. Does. this help her? Does this going to make. people like her more? No. And. what's fascinating is she and Ryan are. in such a weird bubble. Like they're all. over Instagram posing these like happy. >> Yes, I've I've noticed. >> You know, and they're going to do it. this weekend, too. Like they're going to. be happier than ever that they weren't. invited to the wedding of the century. You know, they're going to be having the. time of their lives. You know, and it's. such and we all know it. We.

know who these people are. You know, they're awful awful miserable. rage-filled human being I mean, talk. about like again, having a chasm that. nothing will fill. No amount of fame, no. amount of money, no amount of success. They You know, they have four children. You would think they would just be happy. with their lot in life, and they're not. >> to be a Me Too victim. She had to join. the Me Too movement and stand up at the. Time 100 and talk about her mother's. alleged sexual assault as though it were. her own. She needed sort of that.

glory, the valor of Me Too rubbing off. on her from her mom's alleged problems. because hers were not convincing. anybody. And now, with her reputation in. tatters, she's Amber Hearded herself. She thinks it's what it She's going to. be able to spin it as a victory if he. has to pay. $8 million. And she's going to say. Everybody knows that's not in. settlement. No jury awarded that. It's. basically just because this one claim of. his got thrown out. 10 of her 13 claims.

got thrown out. There's just no fees. shifting provision for the laws that she. was filing those under. But she She lost 10 of her 13. He lost. one of one. And now she's going to try. to spin it as like some huge victory. that she's eked some number of millions. She wants eight out of this guy whose. movie she stole and ruined. And she's. gone on, you know, she's still going to. be married to Ryan Reynolds, one of the. biggest movie stars on Earth. Justin. Baldoni really didn't have that huge an. acting career even before this. And I'm.

sure he's wondering what his next step. is. Brian Friedman came on our show and said. he's not sure insurance is going to. cover this for Justin. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Wow. I You're right, though. That's what. she's trying to do. She's trying to eke. out some kind of win so she can spin. this to whatever friendly media outlets. will listen to her and say, you know, I. I. It was legitimate. I was done wrong. >> Yeah. He did harass me. He had to pay me. $8 million without mentioning it. Actually, that had nothing to do with. sexual harassment.

>> Exactly. Exactly. It's disgusting, but I. think, you know, I think they're. operating. on the old ways of doing things, and. everybody who's in the digital lane and. we we pays attention. We all know what's. really going on here. >> Yes. >> It's no accident that Blake Lively has. not booked another acting role. What. director is ever going to work with her? >> Right. >> What director is going to think she's. not going to turn around and do the same. thing to me and try to destroy me with. her disgusting husband, just my opinion, right behind her. You know, he's out. there like trying to shovel his new Rex.

series. Like like it's another iteration. of Rex and whatever. >> Right. Did you? No, you and I talked. about this and I said sounds like. rectum. >> [laughter]. >> Oh, yeah. I said you have filthy Filthy. minds. >> It does. Who named their business that? That's a bad name. >> [laughter]. >> You know, it's it's it's funny. It's. funny cuz I you know, the other person. who has has decided that this is a. winning team to be aligned with is Hugh. Jackman. >> Of that what? Who? Ryan and Blake? >> Yes. >> What?

>> Yes. So he was he was on the at the Met. Ball. Remember she showed up like hours. later? >> in her sherbet dress. >> Yelling at the minions, the male minions. on the red carpet. Do it. Do it. Do it. >> how it goes. >> Look at me now. I'm thinking you know. >> it out. Don't pick it up. [laughter]. Yeah. She basically sees everybody like. that guy with a hammer who threw it. Like beneath me, worker, do as I say. it's purple. >> It's. >> [laughter]. >> lilac, god damn it. Get that lavender. >> Well, I don't know about those two, but. you're right. Taylor Swift has gotten a.

pass for her villainous role in that. whole thing. Same way Parker Posey got a. pass for her abuse of that poor Swedish. journalist or Norwegian journalist in. the mean Blake Lively exchange. You. know, like. you have a cute bump, you know, or. remember. >> Oh, yeah. Shasta Floss. >> Yeah. Shasta. >> Blossom Talk podcast. >> Yes. And Parker Posey was right there. being as if not more, as Taylor. Swift to this poor journalist. >> It was wasn't just the It wasn't just.

that the journalist congratulated Blake. on her announced pregnancy. >> Yeah. And and she was like 7 months. along. >> Yeah, it was visible. And and then Blake. turned around and said, "Oh, look at. your you know." And apparently, from. what I've read, that journalist was. actually. trying to conceive. So, it was doubly. mean. >> Yes. >> Doubly mean. >> You never go there. >> You never go. And then. Blake turns directly to Parker and. starts so talking to her one-on-one like. this. And here's the journalist. This is. her job. Everybody's got a job to do. And they're talking to each other like. she's not even in the room.

>> It's so passive-aggressive. Parker Posey, too. >> Yes. her. You know, it's like it's so. it's it's punching down. It's like. >> Yes. Yes. >> And they and they're not bright enough. to realize this person is there. ostensibly to make you look good. >> That's her only goal. >> You're alienating her and she's going to. hate you forever. It's just so. short-sighted. >> And she did get the last laugh because. that video of Taylor. was So, she had done that interview. years prior in promoting Cafe Society. Woody Allen's film that they were both.

in. And she said her her network did air it. You know, they did air She wasn't sure. if they were going to air it at the time. she did it. But she re-released that. tape. when um It Ends With Us came out and. there was buzz about Blake like being. off-tone and pushing her hair products. in while promoting a film on domestic. violence. And she reposted it. Like, she's not a nice person. >> Mhm. >> And that caught fire. It genuinely added to Blake's problems.

And Blake in that lawsuit really wanted. to prove that Justin Baldoni was behind. that tape. And that woman was She was. named on the witness list and she was. going to say he had nothing to do with. it. It was my genuine dislike of you, which you earned you know, with all your. hard work being such a to. me along with Parker Posey. >> You know, I wonder if some of the rage. with Blake is um I've thought about. this. Why the rage? Like, you have. everything that you probably ever. wanted. Um she's on like her fourth. face. She's had extensive cosmetic.

surgery. >> she? >> She's had at least three rhinoplasties. You look at the original nose. >> Oh. >> It's a different face. >> The Hollywood type, they get like these. minor tweaks to their features that you. can't like unless you're really paying. attention. I'm very bad at noticing this. kind of stuff. >> Oh, go look up her original face. It's. amazing. >> All right, I will. >> It's incredible. The smile is different. Allegedly, reportedly. >> [laughter]. >> my opinion. >> She's not a great talent. She's not a. great actress, right? How'd she get. there? Reportedly, allegedly, she was.

a friend of Harvey's. >> Oh. Oh. >> Maybe we had to do some things. >> Most of them did. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, I mean, that's why I'll always respect Pamela. Anderson because she sat across me on. the NBC set and talked about how and of. course, I mean, especially in her. heyday, >> Mhm. >> the biggest sex pot in the world. You. know, no, not just for her beauty, but. like her sexiness. >> Mhm. >> Um there was zero chance. Harvey didn't take a shot at her, right? Zero chance. And she said [snorts] she.

was asked to go meet him and others, I. think she said, in hotel rooms for meetings and she. always said no. She said her mother told. her, when she was very young, "Don't do. that. Like, you know what they're asking. for." And she was raised right. Her. mother instilled a sense of common sense. in her. She did not want to get ahead. that way. Just cuz she's this knockout. like sex pot doesn't mean that's the. route she wanted to take to becoming a. household name. So, she was happy to put on that sex. appeal, let men fantasize. Obviously, she had her Tommy Lee and her.

Kid Rock marriages and all that, but. when it came to actually getting jobs, she did it the right way and she refused. to play that game. >> Good for her. >> I know. >> Good for her. It also it kind of tracks. why now she's sort of like she goes. makeup free and she wants to sort of be. taken more seriously. You know, you you. you you can imagine what that. branding did to her. And she did want to. become a movie star. Remember she did. that movie Was it Barb Wire? >> Barb Wire, yeah. >> She did want to be a movie star and it. didn't quite work out for her.

But it's it's interesting that she I. again like Courtney Love said it on a. red carpet back in the '90s. I don't. know if you remember this clip but some. entertainment journalist said, "Courtney, what would you advise to uh. any young actress coming to LA wanting. to make it?" And she said, "If Harvey. Weinstein invites you to a meeting at at. his room at the Four Seasons, don't go.". >> [laughter]. >> So true. I mean it it does remind me. that Janice Dean told the story about. Roger Ailes where. she.

she was interviewing for her job and he. asked her to meet him at a hotel lobby. And she did it. He you know was like in. the restaurant or in the bar and she she. did wasn't like come meet me at my room. She did it and across from her at that. meeting. he [snorts] like reached out and kind of. held her hand and he said, >> I. >> "I need to know how you see me. How you. see me?" And Janice said, "Like like a teacher? Like a mentor? You. know, like like a boss?".

>> [laughter]. >> Which was. >> Wow. >> not really what he wanted to hear but I. I just loved how she played it like like. a mentor, you know, like. not as a friend, as like uh you know, someone from whom I have a lot to learn. She didn't she didn't go there. >> Did people know? Like like if you like. if I'm like going in and it's like Roger. Ailes wants to interview you, you're at. like the last part of the process and if. he okays you, you're going to get the. job. >> Yeah. >> Did would I have heard through a whisper. network? >> I I don't think so. >> Really? >> I definitely don't think so. I mean.

I. I definitely thought I was the only one. and and that was part of like my own. confusion about the whole situation for. years when I was very young. I thought. he was trying to have an affair with me. I didn't look at him as a harasser. Do. you know what I mean? Like. I thought he was taking a shot at having. an affair, and then somebody at Fox who. I was close with said, "He's just an. unhappily married guy.". And so, like, it just was framed for me. by myself and by this other person who. knew him. as like about having an affair as.

opposed to being a serial assaulter or. whatever, harasser. >> Mhm. >> Um and it wasn't until years later that. I would talk to JD and like over drinks. one night we would tell our stories and. we're both like, "Oh my god.". >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah, it was crazy. And then like we we. had no idea the extent of it until the. scandal hit. And then it was like then. we actually went looking to find out. like who else is there. Like there's got. to be. how widespread is this? And the answer. was extremely widespread. But he was so.

powerful he managed to keep it quiet. And people were too terrified I think in. now in retrospect to say anything about. him cuz he just, you know, he was like. dear leader. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> That's It's amazing how. he was able to keep all of that siloed. and have confidence that none of the. women would speak to each other about. it. >> Yeah, oh well, I mean. >> he probably gave them the same spiel he. gave me, which was I mean later. you know, we got past that incident, the. the that period where he was trying to.

whatever with me. And we went on to have a very good. relationship for the vast majority of my. years there. But he would even once we. were past all that, you know, he had me up there and I'd sit. in his office for 3 hours at a time. I'd. come out of there and Suzanne Scott and. Bill Shine is his number two and one. person would be like looking at me like, "What's on his mind? What's he saying. about this?" Like he didn't do this with. his executives. Like I I became a close. confidant of his. It was very strange.

I appreciate it. I learned a ton, but. I've I maintain to this day I could tell. you more about Roger Ailes' philosophy. in terms of like talent management and. running the company than either of those. two could. Um. but he would stress how he needed to be. able to trust you. And how like you couldn't repeat. anything he said in there. And. I always accepted that as like this is. the price of admission. Like he needs to. have a couple of people he can talk to. And he he said to me one time.

I think I'm the loneliest man in the. world. Because I don't think he thought he. could have friends. I think he was. not unlike a lot of like prominent. politicians. Like look at Trump. I think I'm sure at. some level Trump knows 99.9% of the. people around him are using him. >> Mhm. >> They're not real friends. >> Mhm. >> They're like they want something. And. that was probably true in his real. estate business, too. >> Mhm. >> It's the downside of being extremely. successful whether it's in terms of. money or accomplishment. And I think Roger felt that doubly. He.

felt very paranoid about people. exploiting him, using him, or or you. know. I don't know, just setting him up. Which is ironic because, you know, then. came Gretchen Carlson who was in there. taping him. Um. and he he didn't think he had any. friends. He said that. >> That's interesting because. saying the the thing about Gretchen like. taping him. I. it that to me is an interesting window. into that psyche because I kind of think. you're you think that way if you're up. to something bad. >> Mhm.

>> Right? >> Mhm. >> You can't have friends. You can't have. friends at your level, right? You don't. have friends from before. >> Yeah. >> You don't have family members that you. trust impli- like you've got to have. those people. Like most of us do. >> Yeah. >> Most people do. I just I don't buy like. I can't have friends. Like I that. you're up to something and you need to. you need to silo your life. You can't. integrate everything because you're over. here doing some really bad. >> Yeah. It's true. I mean I remember talking to.

O'Reilly and he said um. like all of his best friends were from. childhood. Like when he was young. He. still. I mean, I haven't talked to O'Reilly in. years, but. every year he used to take a guys trip. with his like childhood buddies. And I think it's hard for people who. become like super famous, you know, as. as Bill did, to. you know, really trust their new. friendships, people who came to them. once they already were, you know, I I don't know. I just feel. like I I myself have learned some. lessons this year. I thought I genuinely.

thought I had a true friendship with Ben. Shapiro, and I learned this year I. didn't and don't. So, I'm 55 and I'm. still learning some lessons here about. like. I don't putting too much stock in. certain relationships. Maybe I shouldn't. have thought that. It's not like we had. a bunch of like private dinners together. or like hung out over holidays. I don't but I I didn't really think you. had to. I I consider you a dear friend, and we don't have a ton of dinners. together. Like. >> Right. >> I don't know. It Sometimes you can lose. your faith in humanity when too many. people burn you, and you have to fight. against that.

>> You do, and I think, you know, you have. an unusual life. Um you're a a very prominent public. figure. Uh there are people who are going to. want things from you and and hide their. true motives. But I think like I don't I think it's. like. you will those people will eventually. reveal themselves. They will, and it. will be painful. But it's it's kind of. just like I think it's kind of just the. cost of doing business a bit, you know,

and you don't ever really want to lose. your faith in like humanity or you know. >> I don't I don't think I will. Like I I. liken it to my dogs, you know, Thunder. when we got the invisible fence. Thunder's the easy good She's the good. one. Strudwick is the difficult one. He's amazing. I love him, but he is. definitely a challenge. And she crossed. that fence one time. She got the shock. She was like, "I got it. I'm good. I'm. going to sit here now. I'm not going to. go near that." And Strudwick was like. this floppy fun mess. Ran. He got.

shocked, and he tried another area and. he got shocked again. He tried the the. other and he wasn't getting it at all. And that's I would say my own approach. to friendships. >> [laughter]. >> I'm much more in the Shred with Y'all. the like, let's try it again. Let's [laughter] make the same mistakes. over and over. Isn't it like fun? >> Anyway, [gasps and laughter]. um we also call him Khalid Sheikh. Mohammed because of that because of. nothing bothered the guy. He was like, you can shock.

>> [laughter]. >> That's hilarious. But you know, the. other thing is like you you have the. dogs. Like the your dog like your dog. like my dogs. It's like they're like. you can always go back to your dogs. They're never going to betray you. They're they're so happy to see you. You. know, it's like. the way your dog gets up no matter you. can see your dog is dead tired over. there like in his little dog bed or. whatever on your couch or on your. kitchen table in my case and you come. down in the morning. and like they always get up. They. they're like, "Mom's here." They get. themselves up. They come over. They wag.

their tails. Even if they've already. eaten. Even if like Doug's gotten up. before me and fed them. They like they. come over. They greet you. That's the. sweetest thing. >> It's the best. It's the best. You're. like they're always happy. They're like. they're always just happy to see you and. be with you. >> Who is Did you say dogs plural? I know. about Teddy Van Halen. >> Oh yeah. I got another one. We have a. There's a puppy now. His name is. Trouble. >> Oh. >> He's uh 7 months old. It's so fun. >> Trouble, that's Thunder's father's name. >> No. I thought here I was thinking I was.

so original. >> Well, it is original. Not not not many. people have that name. So wait, what. kind of dog is he? >> He's also a mini Pomeranian. He and. Teddy have the same father. >> Is he Trouble Van Halen? >> No. I I was trying to come up with. another rock and roll name, you know, and it was it was a stretch. I got a lot. of really interesting uh ideas though. from troublemakers. A lot of people were. very in the camp of Palm Bon Jovi. >> Oh, I like it. >> Which is great, but I'm not really a Bon. Jovi fan, so I couldn't I couldn't. >> All right. So, I am I'm a Richie Sambora.

fan, but I don't know what's happening. with Jon Bon Jovi. So, first of all, Jon. Bon Jovi Joey took himself far too. seriously. I went to a Bon Jovi concert. with Kid Rock one year. Well, Kid Rock. was opening for him and invited me and. Doug. So, I wasn't there with Kid Rock, but. at his invitation. And. Jon Bon Jovi was behind the scenes. drinking white wine with his pinky out. >> Oh, you've told me this story. >> was number one. Number two, something bad happened to Jon Bon Jovi's. voice. Like he lost it from all the. screaming and he lost it. Like it.

literally cannot sing anymore, which is sad and tragic, but he's still. out there and he's still kind of doing. it. And there's a trend of these aging. rockers. who don't realize Did you Have you seen. the tape that's circulating right now of. Barry Manilow? >> No. >> It's horrifying. And also Smokey. Robinson, horrifying, who's 86 now. And you could. look at this tape and say, "Oh, yeah, he's looking good for 86." No, no. He's. not singing. He's not giving the. audience what they paid for. He's trying.

way too hard with the multiple plastic. surgeries. This This applies to both of. them. And they're just mouthing the. words of soundtracks, you know, that. that's being pumped that are being. pumped in. I object. Unless you can do it like Rick. Springfield, who at 76 or 77 looks like. a 42-year-old man out there without a. shirt on, and is still singing amazingly. And a. colleague of ours at SiriusXM, >> Oh. >> um then don't do it. Don't do it cuz the. fans I think you're expecting a real. life human doing real life singing. >> But what So, what do they do though?

Like that's that that like that's what. they do. It's like. >> Show up at a fan event. You could like. sign photographs. You could glad hand. >> It's probably not the same. It's not the. same experience, I would think. Like. that's what you know. That's what you. It's why It's It's why I was thinking. about this cuz I was listening to your. conversation yesterday with um Rob. Vinerdy. I loved him. He's a. troublemaker, do you know? >> Is he? >> He's a. >> trouble I love that guy. >> And uh you guys were talking about. Serena Williams. >> Yes. >> And it's like she she she doesn't.

there's nothing else for her. Like this. is it. She's She's not going. >> Back We're going back It's like Tom. Brady who came out of retirement 5. minutes later. It's like they don't know. what else to do with themselves. You. know, and Tom Brady it's been. interesting watching Tom Brady cuz like. I've come to the realization like this. guy love He loves being famous. >> Oh, yes. >> He needs to be famous. He needs it. Like. we're showing up at roasts now, you. know? We're like we're doing everything. On my Delta flight, he has like a mini. travel show. He's like he's he's.

charismatic as a piece of plywood, >> Yeah. >> you know? He doesn't have any timing. Not natural. His face has been like, you. know, plastic surgery to like too much. symmetry. >> Allegedly reportedly. >> Allegedly reportedly like it doesn't. read as human. Anyway, yeah, they don't. know what else to do with themselves, I. think. >> Well, we'll drop in clips of Smokey and. Beary so you guys can make your own. minds up here. Uh. quick break, more with the one [music]. and only Maureen Callahan ahead. Go and. subscribe to the nerve during the break.

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Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show. [music] Maureen Callahan is back with. me. She is the host of The Nerf. Go and. subscribe on YouTube, all podcast. platforms and find out more at the. nerfshow.com. She's part of our MK media network and. she's a star. Um, we actually pulled the. Berry and the Smokey Robinson tapes. We're going to look at them together. All right, let's see. Let's see Berry. first. >> [music].

[music]. >> He's had more face work than Joan. Rivers. Obviously. It's And it doesn't even look like he. remembers the words to his song. Like. he's barely mouthing. It's like he's behind the audio track. >> Yeah. >> This is all. >> so awkward. Why wouldn't he just let it. Let your legacy live with the memories. of the the actual you. singing, act doing actual singing of.

your iconic songs. This to me is just. sad. This isn't fun. >> Do you remember when like they were. wheeling Tony Bennett out and he had to. mention. you know, it's like that. It's like you. kind of want your dignity, but I don't. know like I don't know that veteran show. business war horses like a Barry. Like. he's not I just I just think he he needs. to be on stage. He needs it. I think. it's his oxygen. This is like. >> Loving family members would not let you. go out this way. So you're Smokey. Robinson, 86 years old. I know we're.

supposed to look at this and say, "86.". That's not at all how I feel. >> [music]. >> Look at this. Oh, for the listening audience, he's. wearing the sparkly green pants and he's. rubbing his thighs like right around. [music] his crotch and like right on the. almost right on the crotch here. As slowly as humanly possible. Now he's. rubbing his ass. >> [music]. >> You know, like slow groove, like he's. getting ready to like get on top of.

somebody. Meanwhile, you know, he's steps from the grave and. this is like. >> [music]. >> This is not inspirational. He looks so infirm. [music]. And look, I was just with a friend of. mine who's 83. She puts this guy to shame. She actually. could do his dance moves better than he. could by far. She's very mobile. She's. very robust. You can have somebody even. in their mid-80s. Jane Fonda I think is. 88 now. >> Yeah. >> Who but that's not it.

>> That's not it and you know that that. that really disturbs me. It looks like. he's committing like a felony in several. states. >> [laughter]. >> Uh. >> It does. >> It It also makes me think of uh Madonna. >> I was just going to say that. So did you. see the latest tape of her? >> Where she's trying to crawl up on the DJ. deck? >> No. No. There she bends over. We're. going to play it. Look, okay, here she. is. She's She's 60. 6. >> Yeah, I think so. >> 60 or 67. She might be 67.

>> Oh. >> Look at this. She's [laughter] doing a full bend over. twerk with her hands on the floor and. like bottom up and down up and down with. the woman behind her pretending to stick. her tongue there. And now look how she moves, Maureen. Maureen Madonna, [clears throat]. I'm sorry to say, is moving more like an. older person now. and she's not pulling this off. She. thinks she's pulling this This is. disgusting. But you can. >> [laughter]. >> I think that's what's colloquially. colloquially colloquially known as.

tossing the salad. sex act. >> It's disgusting. She's 68. Look at her. You can see she's kind of got the. forward hunch. If you you know we'll. we'll play the longer extended video of. her with the rest of the dance, but you. can see that like. age is even coming for Madonna and she. won't She doesn't have to submit to it, but why can't she just behave. like a saucy 67-year-old as opposed to a. saucy 27-year-old? >> Yes. It's It's I I It's It's real.

Here we go. This was the Times Square. thing with like basically flashing her. vag. >> No No No one wants to see. >> Put it away. >> It's got cobwebs on it at this point. >> It's It I used to think that it would be. really It was going to be really. fascinating to watch Madonna age cuz she. was such a rule breaker and she just. reinvented herself in in so many. brilliant ways and I never saw this. coming. I never You know if when she was. married to Guy Ritchie, she was in her. like land lady of like the landed gentry.

phase. She had the fake British accent. like a. an equestrian you know like [laughter]. but I don't know what's happened here. Like I don't know. >> I I really genuinely hope not to be this. needy when I am 67 years old. You know? >> Well, I don't see you doing this kind of. a thing. >> I've never done this kind of a thing. But it's just like. Tina Turner is the gold standard. >> Yeah, you're absolutely right. >> You're absolutely right. >> Show those legs. >> the mini. >> the shortest skirts and she rocked it.

The arms with the guns, the sexy. dancing, but not the inappropriate, like. the gyration. simulating sex acts. That's just so. base. That is Madonna when she was 19, you know, it was like whatever, the. 1990, 1995 era. But she was a much. younger woman then, and it didn't make. you feel like, "Ew, my grandma's trying. to hump me.". >> No, I mean. there's there's listen, evolution works. one way, you know? >> Yeah. >> None of us want to see, you know, you.

look at Mick Jagger, the male version of. a Tina Turner. >> Yeah. >> He's still doing it right, you know? It. can be done. >> Still moving. Deb Deb Murphy, Canadian. Debbie says we have to look at sub 13. This is Madonna crawling around on all. fours. Let's watch. Oh, this is right out of Vogue. >> [music]. >> She's dressed like a like a 1920s. glamour. All her smoke in the camera. >> [music].

[music]. >> Her breasts are spilling out, pretty. much. >> She's gotten rid of the eyebrows. [music]. >> She's got happy happy breath. She's smoking It looks like a cigarillo. that she's smoking. And she The whole. thing with Madonna, too, used to be that. she was like straight edge. She didn't. smoke, she didn't drink, she didn't do. drugs, she didn't do anything. That is a. woman to me in the throes of an active. drug addiction. I'm sorry. >> she looks like.

>> Yeah. >> And just so desperately needy. Like I. would love to think of you as not this. needy, as just like this badass. billionaire, you know, who's. accomplished more than virtually any. other singer alive, who's totally. comfortable in her own skin, and doesn't. need to do thirst traps for the. 25-year-old guys when you're pushing 70, and it's not going to happen. Like it's. I it's it's depressing to me. That's. That's. >> It is depressing. She could have been a. really cool. iconic elder stateswoman of rock and.

she's not. >> And that's not how it wound up going. Um okay, I've got to show you tape that. comes from the Jesse Waters show because. it's summer and uh we're at the Jersey. Shore and. I don't know whether this was taken at. the Jersey Shore. I know Jesse comes to. the Jersey Shore, so it's possible. He. was not in this tape, but it ran on his. show. And I'm concerned more than. concerned about the future of our nation. because of this. >> Okay. >> Watch. >> Why do we celebrate the 4th of July? >> Um.

I honestly couldn't answer that. >> Well. I'm actually not sure. >> We celebrate the birthday of America. >> Yeah. Be lit and enjoy life. >> That didn't used to BE A TRICK QUESTION. >> HOW old is America turning this year? >> Uh. Um. I have no idea. >> 58. 58. >> Is it actually?

>> No. >> 250? >> Where did we declare our independence. from? >> Explain that a little bit further. What. do you mean by where? >> The United [laughter] States. >> Great Britain. >> Mozambique, Africa. >> You're kidding, right? >> What was the name of the war in which we. fought for our independence? >> Civil War. >> The Civil War?

>> Yeah. >> No. >> Um oh god. >> I actually don't know. >> The Rev. >> Uh uh bro, I don't know. >> French and Indian War. >> World War II. >> The Revolutionary War. >> [laughter]. >> Well, you and I will never be out of. work. Never. It's shocking, I know. It's But there I. do. >> are they? >> I kind of operate on this level that.

like more people are. less equipped maybe than you might. think. >> Not the listeners to this show. >> No, of course not. No, no, no. But like. like how incurious do you have to be? How do you get out of an educational. system, a first world educational system. not knowing those basics? >> Even in their weird world, which is. probably dictated by TikTok, would would. anybody know it's the 250th? >> No. >> Why would you mean? It's everywhere. >> I I feel like it's not. I I feel like. it's weirdly not. Like I. was alive and I know you were cuz we're. a similar vintage. Remember in '76?

>> Yeah. >> And it was like a huge deal that like. >> Pots and pans, I remember on the day of. >> I remember that. And I feel like it's. not as celebrated in the mainstream. media because the current occupant of. the White House is the current occupant. of the White House. That's what I think. >> him. And if you celebrate 250 you're. celebrating Trump. >> Yeah, and you're you're actually it's. unpatriotic. You're not like really. being you're not showing fidelity to. what this country stands for. >> Yeah, you're mad at the Yeah. That's. what That's ridiculous. I can't imagine. I can I cannot believe First of all,

they don't know that we fought a a war. to free ourselves from England. Hello. [laughter]. This is so basic. But I'll bet you they. can tell you like you know what. non-binary means. >> Probably. >> You know? That That's the stuff they're. learning right now. >> Yeah. No, and and the other thing is um. you know, the whole uh controversy over. the UFC fight on the lawn of the White. House. >> Yeah. >> This is what I wish the conversation had. been about. The like all that pushback. It's It's It's about class. It's. classist.

>> Yeah, that's right. >> elite hate it because it's what regular, hard-working, non-elite coastal people are interested. in. >> That's right. And that's right. And. that's why they hate it. They hate it. because Trump likes it, too. That You've. got to hate anything that Trump likes. All right, Michelle Obama, she's back in. the news. And um did you see the portrait, the. presidential portrait in the hope and. change lobby? >> No. >> It's the hope in the hope and change. lobby of the new presidential library. It's the real, it's like actually what. they're calling it. And um.

it features the presidential portrait of. the two of them. with her front and center. He's the side. piece in the back. She She was the first lady, not the. president, even though she keeps calling. it our administration, when we were. president. You You weren't president. It. wasn't your administration. Look at. this. Look. Look. He. looks like the supporting actor. And she's got the main stage. And she. was asked about this. and um. wanted us to know this is why This is.

why it was done that way. Here she is on. MS Now, shot 19. >> And you're in the foreground. You're together there. It's not you know. what is often You're not in the. background. >> Yeah. >> You're right there together. >> Well, that's because I married a man. who isn't threatened by. you know, having a uh. a smart. um challenging partner. And that's also another way to be a man, you know, to lead, you know, to lead and co-lead all at the.

same time. Uh and to be good with it because it it. gets you to a become a better person. >> Okay. She can't stand him. Oh, she. hates him. We know these are lies. >> It's you know, it's it's it reminds me. of Barack's very famous uh. foreign policy. uh strategy, which was lead from behind. >> Yeah. >> That's apparently [laughter] how it goes. in the marriage. We lead from behind. We. sit for our presidential port The The.

mind-blowing thing was the uh a couple. of nights before the official opening. and they had that big event in the. presidential library. They were on stage. together. >> Yes. >> And she's wearing a silk screened custom. made skirt with her dead mother's face. on it. Did you see this? >> No, what? >> like It was her face was like this big. It was like. >> Gosh. >> 3 ft. And she's standing there and she's. she's like this. She is we are angry. This is her husband's. >> Yes. >> crap This is his legacy we're enshrining.

here as the first black president, but. we're angry at him. Our body. language is completely closed off. Barack's like he's like chastened. He's. like looking down. >> He's definitely afraid of her. >> Oh, definitely. And and she's like, I I. I have to I have to give Barack a moment. here. I have to I have to give him I. have to get I have to excuse him, basically. Again, he's in the doghouse. They should have built a doghouse. adjacent to this presidential library. and just it's Barack's residence. It's. his permanent residence. And she's like, he didn't know about this skirt until I.

just walked on stage and it's my dead. mother. I mean, I'm sorry, but if you. lose your mother to old age and you have. had her for the bulk of your life, you. have got to move on with your life in a. dignified fashion. >> Yes. Nor would I ever dream of honoring. my mother by sitting [laughter] on her. and putting her in front of my hoochie, you know, like that's I don't think my. mom would want to be honored that way. >> It's a very strange but we have to make. it about ourselves. Like it's ostensibly. about her mother, but it's really about. Michelle. We're stealing the focus. Look. at me. Look at my skirt. This accessory.

over here is it's it's very Harry and. Meghan, you know? >> Meanwhile, she now wants us to believe. that Barack's really hating all this. attention, okay? This is Listen to this. next sound bite. This is top 20 People. magazine interview. >> He's completely uncomfortable with this. thing being about him. I was like, "You know, he would just tell me, I. think there should be a little less of. me here." And I was like, "Well, who who. should we be talking about?" And he was.

like, "Gandhi." And I was like, "No, no. Gandhi will have his own museum, I. think. People coming here will want to hear. about you. >> [laughter]. >> But. >> Okay. This man accepted the presidential. nomination. in front of Greek columns. at Invesco Field in Denver, Colorado. like a king. Like a king. I was there. It was bigger and more grand than.

anything any president, including the. current one. has ever orchestrated for themselves as. their own honor. And he wants us This is. the guy who was out there like We will. We will clean the seas and we will clean. the air and we will. >> He has suffered from delusions of. grandeur since he was a teenager. And. she actually wants us to believe that. he's this humble Oh, the presidential. library that I just built as a monument. skyscraper to myself should be about. like Gandhi, not me. I'm uncomfortable.

with all the focus on me. Sure. >> I was thinking the same thing. Those. like fake Greek columns and the you. know, the adoration. Like he lapped it. up. He loved He loved Again, another one. who loves being famous. He, I think, was. one of the like when he came in and um. he was. I think he did more interviews than a. first-term president in their in their. first year than anybody. It was kind of. like, "How does this guy have time to. work?". >> Yeah.

>> Like he was he was in front of a. television camera every 5 minutes. She. also loves the attention. She loves it. >> the attention. >> Field, look at this. Look at this. Look at all the Greek. columns behind him. I was there. It was. insane. He was treated like the second. coming, truly, and ate it up. Who would. approve Greek columns behind them like. that? You know what I mean? Like he. accomplished nothing. He'd been a state. senator from Illinois. He was a US. senator for 2 years, and he's truly He's.

treating himself here like he's Gandhi. The whole rollout for his presidential. campaign was like that and now he wants. us to believe and she does too that he's. just this humble Joe, you know, like. gee, aw shucks, you know, I I had to. build this presidential library, but I. really wish it weren't about me. Okay, sure. >> Even Chicago, like his native Chicago, is like this this library is a little. much. >> It's the ugliest building I've ever seen. in my life. >> ugly. >> It is so unattractive. >> And it's got like zero windows, which.

again I find very strange for somebody. who's about transparency and light and. hope and change. Like windows actually. are a metaphor for that kind of a thing. I don't understand it. I don't I I it's. it's a blight. It's it's it's like an. eyesore. It's a literal eyesore. >> What do we have Debbie Murphy? She wants. to show us something. Oh, the skirt. She found the skirt. Let's see it. Yeah. Let's see. Michelle Obama honors her. late mother. by wearing a skirt. Oh,

my gosh. Is the mother's face right on. the front? >> Yeah, you're. There's a There's a front version you. can see. >> Yeah, we got to see the front version. I. can't Like why would you put your. mother's. Oh, my [laughter] gosh. What? >> [sighs]. >> And look at the body language. Like her. arm is locked. There's no softness. There's like a huge gap between them. He's he's using his other arm like he's. not holding her hand with his left hand. It's very strange. >> He doesn't have his hand around her. >> Like Doug would have his hand around my. back.

>> No. >> Look at this. He looks like a beaten. dog. >> Yeah, it's it's like even this night. cannot be about him. >> Wow. Well, um looking down the line at. not his VP, but his VP's wife, Jill. Biden, she's had a humiliation this week. because she put out this book. Remember. she did her little tour on it and she. was like, this book is about me. Why are. we spending all this time focusing on my. complaints about the Joe Biden being. pushed out of the race? It's it's got. I've got a lot of great stories in. there. I'm inspirational. She literally. pulled a Gail King. She was like, "I'm.

inspirational. There are a lot of. inspirational stories in there for women. about how I worked when I got into the. White House and and and also was second. lady and then first lady." Well, she. pushed that book everywhere and it made. the New York Times best seller list, debuted at number one. >> Mhm. >> because of who she is and the number of. adoring press articles she got. And she got the dagger, the deadly. dagger that means bulk sales. You always. got to look for the dagger. The bulk.

sales mean they bought their way onto. the list. That's what it means. Bulk. sales technically They'll try to say, "Oh, but well I well I had. you know, several like events where they. bought No, no, no. That The New York. Times knows how to factor that in." Like. if you had book parties and you had a. lot of book celebrations like that. They. won't necessarily give you the dagger. just for that. It's massive purchases in. bulk. That's what you did, Jill Biden. That's what's obvious. You got the. dagger and it it's unheard of for you to. debut at number one and then immediately. fall off the list altogether. >> Yes.

>> As a first lady? No, I mean like as that. that level public figure? But she did, right off. Like this is all bought and paid for, this packaging around Yeah, the Obamas. and the Bidens. There's nothing. inspirational about Jill Biden. Nobody. looks at her and says like, "I want to. buy her book and I want to be just like. her and I want her fashion, too.". >> I'm shocked that a Biden did something. that seems nefarious, potentially.

unethical. You know, it it just goes to. show again like her thirst, her her. black hole to It will never be slaked. It's never enough. It was forever the. the line on her was she's dying to be. first lady. She's like she's jealous of. Michelle. She's jealous that she's like. got a second seat. She wants to be first. lady. She got it. It wasn't enough that. we were first lady. We had to roll our. husband our infirm dementia adult. husband out everywhere we could to try. to get him a second term. >> forgot. She forgot him on stage at the.

presidential library. Look, remember. this? And she's walking off she goes. off, Barack goes off, and her husband. she's like I don't give a about. him. I already had my moment. Look at me. in this amazing white suit. Look, grandpa's wandering. >> [laughter]. >> WHERE OH, WHO AM I? Where's my pudding? Where's Matlock? >> He thinks he's the president. >> president. >> He has Are you for you for me? They hear. for me? >> actually wanted us to believe that he. could be president right now. But in any. event, she couldn't give a She's. like I I had my moment. Everybody looked. at me. Grandpa's left behind.

>> She's the living worst. She's the living. worst and it was so awful to see her. making her rounds on like The View or. wherever and everybody's just like you. are so inspirational. You're so like. she's got nothing to offer. >> Wait, what has she done? She's a. community college She Oh, she did become. a doctor. >> Dr. Biden. Again, like all of these. things meant to sort of make her seem. special. These ornaments they mean. nothing. They mean nothing. She's not a. doctor. >> No, she's not a doctor or she wouldn't. have let her husband develop the many.

ailments that he did right underneath. her nose with no medical care or so they. would have us believe. Um. speaking of elderly people, poor Nancy. Guthrie. >> Mhm. >> I don't know whether we're ever going to. find Nancy. I mean my Maureen O'Connell. came on the show, former FBI profiler, the real deal and she said she is 75%. sure that they are closing in on. Orchman. So that's exciting. I mean, I. trust Maureen. >> Mhm. >> Um. that's exciting. I hope it's true. But. meanwhile, over the past 48 hours we've. had this fierce. war unfolding with FBI statements. To.

me, it seems to be between maybe FBI, you know, main in DC and FBI Phoenix, which technically is all part of the. same group but. physically isn't and they'll have their. own fiefdom out there. Um about whether any of the ransom notes. were legit. >> Mhm. >> What we know from Savannah is she tends. to believe the first two were legit. >> Mhm. >> And she There's no question that the FBI. must have led her to believe that. She's. too smart. She's not coming to her own.

judgment about that. I mean, like she. said account obviously had countless. discussions with the FBI. I feel like if. she's saying she believes it, then. that's telegraphing that her FBI. contacts believe it. And Harvey Levin. has been saying that he thinks the FBI. is treating at least those first two. seriously and you know, with. with as though they may be authentic. And he believed that they might be. treating the other strain of notes he. was getting from the alleged friend of. the kidnappers. I've seen Nancy, you. know, time is of the essence. Oh, wait, it's no longer of the essence. That he. allegedly see had seen her body. Look.

south of the border. That guy. He. says he believed that they were looking. at that guy seriously, too. But then we get a report from Reuters. whose sources are probably DC based as. they are saying the FBI doesn't believe. any of the kidnapping notes are legit. Does not believe any of them. So, all. this time speculating about the one that. said, I know exactly what she was. wearing. This is what she was wearing. And I found her white uh Apple Watch and. this is exactly where it was on the. floor. And there's a broken floodlight.

And I want 4 million by Thursday or 6. million by Monday or else. Then the. follow-up that we just heard the details. of last week uh for the first time, she's dead. She's no longer with us. She's at peace with nature or however. they phrased it. No. Don't believe it. We We've wasted our. time. The FBI doesn't believe they're. legit. Then we get. follow-up reporting from Fox News and. others saying. not so fast. The FBI isn't necessarily saying that. Don't put too much stock in the Reuters. report.

And then the Pima County's uh Sheriff's. Office is like, we defer to the FBI, which means nothing because now they've. taken both positions. And to me, Maureen, it's just further evidence that. this case has been mismanaged both when. it from a public relations standpoint. and apparently from an investigative. standpoint from the start. And here we. are in July. In July she went missing. February 1st. We still have no idea. where she is and they can't even get. their messaging straight around.

something as critical as the ransom. notes. >> You know, there's this um I think. assumption in the culture and we get it. from TV and movies that the FBI is all. powerful, all knowing, they are the. finest minds. And I know from former FBI. agents who I I spoke to extensively for. one of my books that it's simply not so. and the FBI is often very fallible and. up and this messaging, this is. the FBI's case now. They can't even get.

it straight. >> saying Pima County's taking the lead, uh. which I'm sure they would love for us to. believe. >> They would love that, you know. It It. And for for such a high-profile case. involving such a high-profile person. who's back on television every weekday. morning. >> Yes. >> Now, the other thing, I think you were. talking to Maureen about this, that. letter which had, I think you guys were. saying it it sounds like a woman wrote. it. >> Yes. >> Feminine language. >> Yes. >> Like I'm sorry. >> She's buried with nature.

>> Yes. >> thing thing is there's nothing you could. have done to have prevented it. >> Mhm. >> And uh yeah, she died unexpectedly. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, there there was definitely a. couple turns of phrases in there that. sounded, she's right, feminine and. female. >> Yeah. Which adds a which adds a an. interesting dimension to this because. women don't tend to commit crimes like. this. >> No. And we know that wasn't a woman, well, we think we know, on the porch. >> Yeah, no, that was definitely a man, you. know. It's a fascinating mystery. I I I hope.

Maureen is right that they're that. they're close to finding they find that. guy who was on on porch then they're. you know, now we have. >> Then, it's ballgame. >> Yeah. Then, we don't care about the. notes. It's like we got the guy who. actually took her. Everything stems from. that. It just like when that first hit. those the tape of that guy on the porch, it was so hopeful. Maureen was actually. on the air with me at the time. um along with our other panelists and. everyone was so excited cuz it seemed. like such a crazy good investigative. lead. Even President Trump had said that. the Friday before like I think we're.

going to solve it soon cuz he knew about. the tape reportedly. Um. nothing. Here we are July and now. there's a report out that Savannah may. reportedly be getting ready to take. another leave from the Today show that. it's just been too much. And you know, you think about it. when this came up, she keeps talking. about it Maureen in a way that. is very severe. She says, "We're still. in agony. Every day we're in agony.". That. I just can't imagine doing the news.

while in agony for months on end. So, I don't know. It's a tabloid who's. reporting it, I think. I can't remember. It may be the Sun. Um. Yeah, US Sun. So, it could be off, but is it so hard. to believe that it might be and she has. plenty of money. She doesn't need to. work. Her husband's got a good job with. the NFL and she's made a lot of money. anyway. I'm not sure she's somebody who needs to. see herself on TV every day. I don't she. doesn't strike me as that kind of a. person. And um. I I wouldn't be surprised at all if she.

did take another step away or even just. leave. >> I wouldn't either. I think maybe she. felt she would regain some sense of. normalcy by going back to work and by. not you know, having to work, not think. about this all the time, but we've seen. her. just disappear from the air during the. broadcast several times, which clearly. she's overcome with emotion. I don't. under I don't know how you personally. square I meaning me, I couldn't. an elderly parent abducted from their.

bed in the dead of night. You don't know. where they are, but you know something. very bad has happened. She's dead. We. know she's dead. >> Um and you think it may have happened. because of you. >> Her brother was awful for saying that to. her. Do you remember? She said, "I asked. him, do you think this would be because. of me? Because I'm famous? Do you think. so?" And he said, "Yeah, I do.". That's you. No. >> I know. >> You don't say that. >> Even if you think it. >> How How do you know that? How do you We. don't even know anything. So, of course. there's no way to know that. You can. There's a million ways to answer that. question. So, she's blaming herself, you.

know? And uh. like basically what she's doing, this. job is This This is Morning. television is QVC. >> Yes, probably. >> Here's a bunch of cheap from China. Order it with the QR code. [laughter]. Carson's going to be cooking in the. rotten Rockefeller Plaza. Can you Can. you believe it? What is she doing? You. have to have an existential crisis, right? Like what am I doing with myself? >> It's true. >> go like the John Walsh route. Like she. should disappear for a while, metabolize. this, come back, >> and like help people. >> for good.

>> You know, I know that she's always. wondered like worried about whether. she's she has any relevance, like any. influence. You know, that that job, while it makes. you a household name, doesn't it it's not meaningful at all. You don't affect people's opinions on. anything. You're not driving any. national conversations. And it's there's something ironic in. seeing, you know, now she is driving. national conversations, but for a reason. she never would have chosen or wanted. No one would.

Maybe you're right. Maybe there's an. lane for her to come back and like. actually help people find their missing. loved ones, do a show that could impact. people who are really suffering. I don't. know, but this You're right. The Today. show is totally empty calories. It's not. what it used to be. So, I wouldn't be. surprised to see her step away, especially because like she's got two. kids, like. >> Yeah. >> a family member under any circumstances, you start to think more about family and. your legacy and what matters and you. know, time is so fleeting and all that stuff. So, we'll see. I don't know. I hope. Maureen Callahan or in Maureen O'Connell.

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the USA soccer games. They did this in. the earlier rounds, too. And now they. did it last night. An amazing tape. I. guess they've asked the team. >> Mhm. >> for a couple of go-to songs. They ask. all the teams, um not just us. Like what. would be your song that you'd want to. hear? And these people are straight out. of my playbook. John Denver and Jon Bon. Jovi. Not just Jon Bon Jovi, but Bon. Jovi Living on a Prayer is our one song. and a Country Roads is our other. And. then we actually had apparently. requested Sweet Caroline, but uh that. was already taken by the by the Brits,

which is weird. Okay, but they Okay. In. any event, we have two great ones. And. look look at this tape. >> [music]. >> Crowd's singing. Players. trying to get everybody to do it. Say, "Turn it up.". >> [cheering].

>> Got a little chill. >> Yeah. >> [music]. >> Oh, man, I love this stuff. >> Love. >> It's so it it's it's it supports that. it's fast, it's unifying, it's you know, people from all walks of life. It's why. That's why the Knicks were so.

galvanizing and energizing and it also. makes me think I feel like there is this. renewed appreciation now between. athletes, performers, anyone in a live. event and the fans in the crowd. Because. we saw this during COVID when they they. would allow sports to continue but there. could be no. audience, no crowd, no fans. And I think. everybody kind of realized that is that. is a mutually beneficial relationship. >> Yep. >> It's not that the fans are there in.

service of the performer or the players. It It's a like the players feed off that. stuff. They feed off of it. And when you. see those players on the field after the. win. >> Yeah. >> raising their arms going, "Yes, yes, keep singing. We're in this together.". Like that's what that is. It's so great. >> feel like if we have a national. soundtrack like for America, John Denver. is at the top of the list. He He has. such a important role in my own life. like. >> Really? >> Oh my god, his music I cannot hear John. Denver music without tearing up.

>> Really? >> Oh, I never have been able to. My dad. used to play John Denver songs on his. guitar. We'd go camping when I was a kid. and it is a reminder that like you know, I've I've had no money and I've had. money. All the best things in life come for. free. It's It's the truth. Um and we. would go to Lake Ontario and we'd rent. these cabins, these like beat-up cabins. which were not in any way a glamp. I used to call the lawn chair to sleep. in. >> Oh, I love [laughter] that. >> My brother and sister were like, "Okay,

Chucks. She got it." And um we we'd go out. around the campfire at night and my dad. would play his guitar and he'd play Neil. Diamond, too, but mostly John Denver. songs. And it that it country roads 100%. also that song today which. brings me to tears whenever I hear it. and I think about my dad whenever I hear. and then can I tell you after my sister. died a couple of years ago. suddenly. I got into the car the day of her. funeral. and of course it was an emotionally. charged day already and I.

and you turn the car on and the radio. comes on. John Denver and she and I used to cry. about my dad listening to John Denver. and we had so many sweet memories to. John Denver and there is no doubt in my. mind that was my sister talking to me. like saying I'm okay and you're going to. be okay too. I just like so that for this song to be. the song that our team chooses like I. just feel like yes and Jimmy. Fallon once told me that his wife feels. about John Denver the way I do. and she can't like she can't hear it.

without crying but she has to hear it. like we force ourselves. I like Rocky Mountain High like that is. a spiritual song you you feel connected. to God when you play that song outside. in nature. I just love that our team was. asked to do this. I love that they're. leaning into like music. Richie Sambora back to Bon Jovi he has a. song that he wrote called the soundtrack. of our lives. And. I just love the concept of that. of that phrase. We do have a soundtrack.

of our lives. You know how you can hear. a song that takes you right back to your. childhood or a breakup. or your I don't know relationship or. something with your parents something. with a friend some accomplishment some. disappointment whatever. Oh look at that that's my that's me and. my dad. >> Oh oh my god that's amazing. >> and his fisherman's hat. >> How old are you there like four? >> Oh yeah I think I was about four years. old. Look at those sweet duds I had on. You were a tomboy. You total tomboy. Look at that boy hair. I used to have.

long pretty hair and then my sister did. too and she got hers cut so I wanted. mine cut and I completely looked like a. boy, which I had no problem with. I was. like, "I don't care. Whatever I look I. thought I looked cool.". >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, I'm four. I don't care. >> But yeah, the soundtrack of our life, right? Like even as I say it, aren't. songs coming to your mind of. >> Yes, and they actually say that there's. a reason as we age that it's harder for. us to hear new music. Like we our brains actually are are so.

alive in our teen our childhoods, our. teen years, our post-collegiate years. And that's when that's why generations. sort of get stuck. >> Yes. >> the music of their youth, right? Like. nothing is better than the music of your. youth. It's like it's it's like a. neurological thing. >> That's why I'm always listening to the. '80s channel on SiriusXM. >> Same. Or like the new wave channel or. the hip-hop channel. Like all of it. It's like it's yeah, it you're exactly. right. I couldn't agree with you more. >> Well, um I'm not sure what the song.

would be for Harry and Meghan, but it'd. be something about me. >> [laughter]. >> Back to me. They're going to the UK, Maureen. And they're taking Lilibet and Archie, which to me is an obvious attention. ploy. I don't like They travel the world. without these kids. They have no desire. to spend time with them in in the UK. anyplace or anyplace else from the look. of it. But they they'll get more. attention when they go back there if. they bring the little prince and. princess. who have zero connection to the royal. family, who Queen Elizabeth was annoyed.

was named after her. She didn't like the. Lilibet thing. So, whatever. And now there's a report today that. Prince Harry was near tears. when he found out that the board over. there or the rob whatever, it's like the. royal. board that determines whether you're. going to get. royal police protection, like state. police protection. Like in other words. for Princess Eugenie, it's a no. But for King Charles, it's a yes. For. Wills and Kate, of course it's a yes.

But for these two losers from Montecito, it's a no. And he's near tears reportedly over. this, Prince Harry. He keeps coming back. to the well. This has been denied. repeatedly, even when he was a lot. closer to the royal family. He got. denied this. He's not a working royal. No one can explain it better than our. pal Dan Wootton, who came on the last. time he made a big deal out of this and. explained to us the situation. Okay, listen to Dan. >> He wants to be treated like a former. prime minister who will receive lifetime.

security rights. So, even if Thatcher. was prime minister prime minister for. like 6 weeks, she receives security for. the rest of her life. He believes that. that's what he deserves. Now, Meghan, in. the negotiations after Megxit, at this. thing called the Sandringham Summit, where all of the senior royals, the late. Queen Elizabeth II, King Charles, William, and their senior staff. gathered, Harry was told point-blank, "You will lose your security if you.

leave in this way." Yes, that is why the. royals tried to come to some type of. arrangement with Harry. There were loads. of ideas thrown around. At one point, it. was like, "Could we maybe move you to. South Africa, a Commonwealth country, for 6 months of the year? What about. making you the governor general of. Australia? Is there some type of role. for you in Canada?" But as soon as. Meghan Markle made it absolutely clear. that it was all about the moolah, it was. all about the big bucks, it was all. about trading off the royal name. At.

that point, the late Queen Elizabeth II. quite rightly, in my opinion, said, "No, there is no half in, half out. So, you. can go. You go with our blessing, but. you lose everything, and you do lose. your security.". And he went on to explain that they've. been invited, as they reportedly have. even now, to stay in Buckingham Palace, where you do have drivers, you You. guards famously outside the entire. castle. And when you drive around Great.

Britain, you you're entitled to have. your private security with you. Harry's. mad, I think, because you're not allowed. to have guns. I think the private. security can't have guns. But, honestly, like. you don't need that. You He doesn't need. it. People aren't going to be taking. random shots at him. When was the last. time you heard about somebody taking. random shots at the royal family while. driving around Great Britain? You need a. bodyguard. You need somebody to stop. to stop somebody from coming and. accosting you or getting overly zealous. when they see you. And he will have that.

in abundance. So, just as we come to. air, it it. his people release. some he's under threat from at least six. terror plots in the UK. >> [laughter]. >> Very important. He's very important. person. >> And Dan Wootton is he responded like, "This is the most ridiculous, artificial, made-up document. It comes. from Harry's office.". It's like someone's been searching their. emails to find like some "I'll get you. Ah, another terrorist plot against me.".

>> Terrorist number one, his name George. Glass. >> [laughter]. >> That's right. >> Bomb making in the basement, the. imaginary basement. It's so It's so You. know, it's um their brand is chaos. Nothing is ever just a straightforward. execution, a visit, you know, whatever. There've been conflicting reports now. that Meghan may not be going. She's not. happy. She may not be taking the. children. I think part of the reason. they want to take the children is so. that they can say mean future King.

William would not see his own niece and. nephew. >> Track. >> They are of the royal blood. William and. Kate are cold-blooded, uh unfeeling people. Um there are also. reports that Harry wants to stay at. Althorp, which is Diana's. home and resting place. And that they. are potentially coming with cameras. >> Oh, of course. >> Netflix, but this is all about another. net We have to extend the Netflix deal, which was canceled because they're fed.

up with those two. >> It's the only thing they've got. Um I. think Charles is um. obviously he will probably meet with. with Harry given his health, which we. understand is now he's in in very good. health. He's taking a treatment that's. working. >> Great. >> Um but you know, nonetheless, he's an. older man who's been dealing with. mortality up close. I think it's foolish. I think they're. going to turn right around and do what. they always do. Sell, sell, sell. >> Yep. Poor William and Catherine.

>> Mhm. >> have to deal with these two losers. >> Mhm. >> coming back over, glomming on without. doing any of the work. >> Mhm. >> They they've been doing the work. They've been doing the ribbon cuttings. They go to the events. And these two. losers want to bomb in, get all this. attention, get royal protection so they. can look and feel important, and then go. back to their Montecito millions, and. make more by ripping on the royal. family. >> Exactly. >> favorite target. >> Exactly. And I really do I I think about. William, you know, and Catherine they.

they both do the heart, you know, Catherine just completed this arduous. 3-day climb. It was It was too It was. She said when she was done with it, she. did it for personal reasons, you know, because she was through the worst of her. cancer fight and her chemotherapy, and. she's so grateful to be alive, and and. she met with a child who's still dealing. with it and needed You know, all of this. stuff. They're the real deal, and they. do the work. The punishment they got is. having these two still entertained by. their father. You know, it's it's a very.

biblical. It's very Cain and Abel. You. know, where it's like And I think a lot. of families relate to this dynamic where. the up takes up all the oxygen in. the room. >> Yes, right. >> The up gets a million and one. chances, no matter how many times they. screw up, betray, lie, cheat, whatever. >> Yes. >> And the And the dutiful ones are sort of. just taken for granted. Well, you're. good You just do what you're supposed. to. >> And taken advantage of. You're right, because they're Half the purpose of this. will be to gain more fodder for their. next Netflix special.

>> Mhm. >> And no one's more interesting than Wills. and Kate. Like nobody. >> Mhm. >> And so they'd love to get any sort of. dirt they can. >> Mhm. >> on his brother and his wife. >> Mhm. >> And I'm sure they are like, "Dad, please, could you stop?". >> Yeah. >> Like close the door once and for all. But William reportedly can't convince. King Charles to do it cuz he's the dad. You know, the parent is always a little. tougher to convince to do the tough love. than the siblings. But I feel bad for. them. Here's the for them. Will Wills. and Kate, not not Harry. There's This is.

a report. Prince Prince Harry faces six. terrorist plots against him, with five. originating within the United Kingdom, according to a highly sensitive document. produced by the Duke of Sussex's. private security company. >> [laughter]. >> It's very exciting. >> Okay. >> Very exciting. >> Sure, people really want to get you. We're We're sure of it. Um, sure. I got to ask you about Sophie. Cunningham. She's a basketball player. >> Mhm. >> She's on the same team, the Fever, the. Indiana Fever, as Caitlin Clark. She.

went totally viral this week. >> Mhm. >> because she's like the only one sticking. up for Caitlin Clark. Even Caitlin Clark. doesn't stick up for Caitlin Clark. Caitlin's coach doesn't stand up for. her. The WNBA commissioner doesn't stand. up for her. But this Sophie Cunningham, who's a star in her own right, like she. was a was a huge college basketball. player and has been in the WNBA for. years, has had this She's had it with this. She happens to be white and. she mixes it up with everybody. She. can't stand what's happening to Caitlin.

Clark. So, she went viral this week. because she did this pointing thing. Maybe you've seen it and then with the. wrist. Let's watch it. It's everywhere. She. She's pointing. and she will not be stood down. You. thought you could see that. The ref. There's not the other gal pointing at. her. And she will get the last point. She's got an arm as long as my leg. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And they try to push her back. She won't. break.

stride. or pointing. And the memes that have now come out of. this are hysterical. There was one I saw. yesterday showing just as Thomas quit. pointing at. >> [laughter]. >> at the other court. Then there's one. that says um something about like. your toddler in the grocery store. whenever you see somebody with a. disability. >> Oh my [laughter] god. >> That is so real. >> Oh my god. Oh my god. Um that by the way, that. pointing [snorts] I think that was in. response that player had said to Sophie,

I believe, don't point at me. >> Yeah. >> And so she was like, I'm going to. point at you all day long. >> Now I know it bothers you. >> I you know, the Caitlin Clark thing, I. am so. it's so upsetting. I think it was Dave. Portnoy who who said something like she. should just really take herself and go. over to Europe and and play where she's. going to be protected and treated like. the star that she is. >> Yes. >> You know, it's it's amazing to me that. the WNBA. has been electrified by this. generational talent who is being.

assaulted on the court regularly by. players who are This is the This is the. conversation that like again, the. mainstream media really won't have. She's white and she's straight. That's. the problem. >> Yep. >> If this were a black player or a black. and gay player she they would be. celebrating her. She would be You know. what I mean? And and they're. >> a betrayal somehow. >> They're punishing her. They're punishing. her. And I feel like you know, you were. saying that she's she won't stand up for. herself. I feel like she and or her.

advisors are trying to sort of take a. page out of like the Jackie Robinson. playbook. >> Mhm. >> where you you just comport yourself like. a professional. You don't get down in. the mud with it. You let your talent. speak for yourself and it will be later. when it's reconsidered history that we. talk about what was really going on. here. But this is mind-blowing to me. Mind-blowing what's happening to Caitlin. Clark. >> is disgusting, too. I don't know. Like. they they can't stand each other. Jason. Whitlock came on last Friday and really. gave us a good breakdown of that.

dynamic. But the coach is disgusting and. the coach finally spoke out. And what. did she She speak about? She spoke about. the alleged abuse that the woman who had. the hand on the throat is receiving. She's she's outraged at the messaging. going to that person. It's not about. what happened to Caitlin Clark at any. turn. I don't know how she lasts there. This does not look fun. It does not look. rewarding. It does not look like. something I'd want to be a part of at. all and I like Dave Portnoy's advice. I. think he's onto something. Happy 4th, my friend. >> Happy 4th, Megan.

>> Have a wonderful Independence Day and so. should all of you. We will have uh. programming for you tomorrow, but we're. not live, so I will speak to you live. next time on Monday wishing all of you. happy 4th. God bless you and your. families and thank you so much as always. [music] for listening.