Shocking Migrant Attack, Questions About California Cheating, & Iran Retaliation, w/ Buckley Carlson

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show. Closing. arguments now underway in the trial of. 19-year-old Carmelo Anthony, who is. accused of fatally stabbing Austin. Metaf, another 17-year-old, during a. confrontation at a high school track. meet that never needed to happen. Uh, this jury is expected to get the case in. moments. There's been a huge. development. Uh, the jury will now be. able to consider a lesser charge of. manslaughter. Originally, we just had. murder charges. Now they've added. manslaughter. I query why the.

prosecution did that because this is an. openand-shut case. Um maybe they felt. bad for him. I have no idea. There was a. long meeting with defense council. yesterday of some 3 hours. But that's. normally something that the defense. might push for if if they thought there. might be a conviction and it's something. the prosecution pushes for if they think. there won't be a prosecution or a. conviction on on murder. So I'm not sure. why on earth that would have been added. at the last minute. In any event, also. we're going to discuss whether the. neocons are turning on President Trump.

They're not exactly getting their way. right now and they seem to be rather. upset. Uh here with me today for what's. sure to be an unbelievable conversation. on a wide range of topics is Buckley. Carlson. I'm so excited for this. I've. been waiting for this for months. He's a. longtime writer, media strategist, and. former speech writer back in 2015 for. Donald Trump. He also happens to be the. younger bro of Tucker Carlson and he is. here in person in the red studio. Don't miss a moment. Subscribe to this. show on YouTube and follow me on Insta,

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this for a while as well. >> The pleasure is all mine. So, do you. love saying that you're the younger. brother, that Tucker's the older one. now? >> It's pretty funny. Very few people. recognize that I am the younger brother. They all call me old Leatherface and. they all surmise that I've led a much. much rougher life than Tucker. >> Well, I actually reading up on you. realized you haven't that you both quit. drinking decades ago. >> and he kept he quit smoking but you keep. smoking. >> I quit. I also, it turned out I was a. quitter briefly for about 12 years. Okay. And always doing the nicotine.

supplements, but recently I came back in. the fold. >> You quit the quitting. >> I quit the quitting because I I'm not. that kind of person. Congratulations. Commitment. It turns out. >> we all need vices. >> Yes. you know, >> very few in my life beyond. >> But honestly, like I I I've never. smoked, but I do feel and I trust me, I've done a lot of Maha on this show and. I love Maja and I'm trying to live a. Maha life, but even I occasionally am. like I feel like Brian Johnson. I want a. martini and something else bad for me. I.

don't I just feel like can we just. relax? Like the way people used to live, they used to live into their 80s and. they lived these lives of debauchery and. they didn't feel sorry for it. My. great-grandmother was a duck hunter well. into her 80s and she was a chain smoker. and a drinker and quite a. conversationalist. >> Yes, >> it works for a lot of people. >> My nana lived to be 101 years old. She. never ate anything other than processed. foods. She was obese. She never saw the. inside of a gym or any sort of exercise. What? And she was a stressed out person. How how like why can't we live like.

that? >> Probably she didn't have the nanny. influence. I think actually that's the. most delotterious thing for health is. having people bark in your face, tell. you what to do, impede your freedom. >> Yes. And they're everywhere right now. >> They're everywhere. Yes, they are. >> Um, okay. There's a lot I I have so much. I want to do on your bio, but before we. get to your bio, can we just start with. the hottest news story that's going on. right now? It's stunning and it's awful. and it's disgusting. It's out of. Northern Ireland. And for the listening. audience, you probably know this, but. just in case you don't, Northern Ireland.

is part of the UK and it's, you know, ruled by Kier Starmer and um the. Republic of Ireland is separate and. different. And Northern Ireland Ireland. has taken a lot of immigrants from the. UK. And they're not all happy about it. And today in particular, something awful. has happened. Protests are being. organized right now. They're about to. break out on the streets of the UK uh. because a man was almost beheaded by a. Sudanese immigrant last night. A white.

Irish man almost beheaded by a Sudanese. immigrant. The police are saying. precious little about it right now. They. say they know it's not terror even. though they don't know the motive. That. they know though. >> Not definitely not terror. like the most. incendiary thing that's really gonna. upset you, it's we know it's not that, >> but it but it's it's definitely an. immigrant who was given quote leave to. be in the UK. So, it appears the UK. opened its borders to this guy and he's. in his 30s. The victim is in his 40s and.

lived. He's alive right now. Um, don't. have the names of these people yet. And. amazingly, the reason he lived, this is. one good piece of the story, is this. badass Irishman saw the attack going. down and took out this huge paddle that. they use for a game over there, which. I'd never heard of. Uh, hold on a. second. I wrote it down, called um a. hurly stick from some game like hurly, I. don't know what it is, but it's an Irish. thing, and beat the daylights out of the. asalent and stopped him from killing.

this poor man. Um, I'm just going to. give you So, now the man's seriously. injured and in the hospital say they. said something terrible happened to his. eyes. They're not being more specific. Um, I'm going to give you a hint for how. it's going. Northern Ireland's justice. minister is a name a woman named Naomi. Long. And here's how she's reacting to. this terrible development. >> There is no place for this kind of. horrific violence in our community. And. what I am saying very clearly today is.

that I understand people will be. frightened. I understand that some. people will be angry. But we need to. have calm heads. We need to stay cool. and allow the police to do their job of. investigation because what I want to see. more than anything is the person. responsible held accountable before the. law. I do not want to see ramping up of. tensions. I do not want to see other. innocent people's lives ruined as a. result of what was a completely.

unacceptable and outrageous attack. >> Okay. So, it's basically rain in your. reaction. I don't think it's helpful, she said, for people to seize on this as. yet another weapon in the war that they. wage on immigration. That's not healthy. and I don't think it's fair. It's always. the reality. So is the Republicans. pounce basically in response to these. incidents. What do you make of it? >> Don't hold us responsible for the the. awful policies that we've imposed upon.

you for no reason. No, no identifiable. reason that we could articulate. Why is. this good for Ireland to have to import. all of these people that have nothing in. common with Ireland that Ireland can't. afford, that Ireland can't fit, that the. Irish people don't actually want? No. one's actually asked the Irish people. what they want. And when they do, no one. in government has asked, and they don't. seem to care. But if they asked the. Irish people, they'd say enough is. enough. We can't afford our lives. We. don't have houses. We don't have. representation here in our country. This. this response from this woman, at least.

she acknowledged that there's some. outrage. I'm surprised she didn't. >> uh say, "Let's not let's not get racist. about it.". >> I mean, she's basically intimating that. I just like I'm I've had it with your. overreactions when it comes to. immigration problems. Like, let's not. make the people fearful. What's making. the pe people fearful is not the. reaction to the attempted beheading. It's the attempted beheading which we. are going to show blurred. Forgive me. Um we're going to blur it. You're not. going to actually see the beheading, but. you can see the danger this man was in.

um with the blurring. Watch. >> Mom's dead. He's still killed him. Hurry. up. >> Daddy from taking. >> No, he's not. >> Has he got knife? >> Yeah. Get off him, you rat. Yo. >> Yeah, >> he's. here. He's trying to cut his head off. easily. Hurry up. >> Hurry up. >> He's slicing his head off here. Hurry up. the. head. >> Get him.

>> Get him down. Let him go. Yes. Yes. Get up. Get up. >> There's a cop. Back off. Back off. Back. off. Yeah. Yes. Exactly. >> The bystander who actually. >> That's what would happen here. >> Acted like a hero. Boy, it has. >> Yeah. Like Daniel Penny. >> Yes. >> So, it's only thanks to those people.

that this man's alive today. >> So, did the police come and hog time and. pull his hands behind his back and kneel. on his chest? And. >> thankfully, no. [laughter] But, you. know, it's almost like, you know, not to. downplay in any way the hero the heroism. of that guy's move because nine times. out of 10 people be too afraid to go. attack somebody who's trying to behead. one of their countrymen. Um but they're. very much focused on that now like at. the presser that the police had they. really played up the guy's heroism and. it's like we we're feeling that but we. need to start with accountability for.

the policies that allowed this man to be. here to begin with. It's been happening. all over the UK, including Northern. Ireland, where they've been complaining. now about increased crime on the. streets, where like streets that used to. be like beautiful tourist attractions. are now covered with drug dealers and. homelessness. and people from other. countries, it's Somalia is one of them, Sudan's another, who have no shared. values with the people in the UK, similar to what we're seeing here in. places like Minneapolis, who take.

advantage of the system and who have, I. mean, a barbaric way of resolving. whatever conflicts are in their lives or. mental health issues. Sorry, you have. them. Why is it our problem? >> Very much so. Why is it our problem? And. it shouldn't be our problem. And. obviously it's reddlinin of what. happened last week or earlier last year. but certainly the Henry Noah case. >> Yes. >> Where he had been I mean Kier Stormer. came up. It was absolutely shameful for. Kier Stormer to blame people for being. upset about it. >> Uh and also those those police officers.

should be held to account for what they. did for the dereliction of duty for the. disdain that they poured out on poor. Henry. They killed him essentially. their their disregard, their they're. leaping to the conclusion that this was. racism and racism, you know, maybe. unacceptable. It is, we shouldn't be. engaged in racist attitudes, but it's. not about racism. It's about public. safety and it's about being represented. by the people to whom we invest this. power, this incredible power, and they. abuse it. And.

>> the the irony is the Henry case is. actually it is about racism, just the. other way around. >> Yes, it's institutional racism. anti-white racism from our elected. officials and from the entire. institutions that we pay for. And. >> well, it's so ironic, right? It's like. they they thought they were cloaking. themselves in in this glory of arriving. on the scene and saying, "Oh, of course. the poor seek man got attacked by the. punk white kid and it was their it was. their anti-white racism." And I think. they were white cops. I'm not sure. Um.

but that they that didn't stop them. They've been so conditioned by the BLM. movement and the, you know, self-shame. thing that's been happening among whites. in the Western world. >> Yes. >> They didn't even pause to reconsider as. it came into like a victim perpetrator. narrative who was whom. And that's. deadly. >> Driven by the perpetrator. I mean, the. idea that he could just say right off. the bat, I'm sure there are lots of. people watching your show who've been. involved in some physical altercation or. had to deal with police. Police do not.

often come up and just trust one person. of a two-party feud. They say. >> especially ones one's down, >> right? And claiming that he can't. breathe and. >> and has been stabbed. >> multiple times in the chest. >> And instead you argue with him. I don't. think you have. >> actually. Sorry to laugh. It's so. obscene. >> No, it is. >> But it's not really surprising that. we're here because we've seen it for so. long. At least in my entire lifetime in. in America. >> And now and now this. Right. So it's the. protests right now are um we've seen.

these this is this is the wake of Henry. Noak. >> They they say Novak. His family said. Novak. So I think it's like a W thing. with the foreigners. In any event, um. already this has been happening in the. wake of uh his murder and then D Vicram. Diga's conviction. And what they're mad. about is what you said that nothing's. happened to the cops. Absolutely nothing. has happened to the cops that let Henry. die. And now we're seeing Yeah. this. guy's getting roughed up by the cops and. now we're seeing the same is about to.

start in Ireland. Um here's just a. couple of examples of what we're seeing. from the media in in the wake of this. near beheading. The BBC uh hold on a. second. Okay, I got to read you their. headline, their headline and the BBC on. this attempted beheading. A man has been. taken to the hospital with serious. injuries following a stabbing. [laughter]. Now, Buckley, >> the man was nearly beheaded with a like. a sword basically. >> Yeah. I mean, he the guy was hacking.

over and over at his neck was like had. him there and the man was writhing on. the on the ground. We're not going to. show this, but you know, and the woman's. saying he's trying to cut his head off. He's trying to cut his head off. Get. him. And you could see him like. repeatedly stabbing at the neck, trying. to like hold him down. It's not like he. wasn't saying I'm going to behead you, but it was a fair conclusion. So, this. is what they reduce it to. Yeah. uh. taken to the a man a man taken to the. hospital with serious injuries following. a stabbing. Nothing about the.

perpetrator, nothing about what he had. in his hand, nothing about what it. appeared to be. New York Times goes to. man arrested in brutal stabbing. Okay. Um Newsweek Belfast stabbing police warn. of sharing video after brutal attack. And that was the police message today. Don't don't share the video or any. pictures from the video. It's too. upsetting. Of course. >> Screw you. >> Yes, absolutely. Do you think these. people have any sense of of shame? How. could you actually produce a piece of. copy like that and then read it on the.

air? I know. >> I think they think they're being the. protectors of the poor immigrant. community that bullies like Buckley and. Megan are piling onto. >> Except there's probably zero evidence. that there are any racial attacks. against these people. I bet the Irish. people, much like the American people, are incredibly charitable um and deal. with people on an individual basis. And. >> I'm sure it would be revealed that there. are many hoaxes uh in Ireland as there. are in America. Yeah. Should start.

prosecuting the people who engage in it. >> Maybe they'll close their border. You. know, I mean, maybe look what happened. in Sweden. You know, they completely. opened their borders to foreigners. Then. they came in, started taking advantage. of the Swedish generosity, their. socialism. >> Yes. >> And finally they started kicking them. out. It's like Sweden's starting to get. back to being Sweden because they. realized, oh, this is a very bad idea. >> And yet for a decade people maintain it. was a lie that there were no go zones, that ambulances and cops wouldn't go. into certain areas. But of course that. was absolutely true. And all those all.

those Swedish girls who were raped by. gangs, it's obviously reminiscent of. what's been going on in England. Y. >> um someone needs to be taking These. people need to be held accountable, these elected officials. They need to. actually start being I don't know. You're the lawyer. I don't know what. what li what what is the obstacle. actually to holding these people. responsible. >> I mean, in the Henry Novak case, I. really think you you could make a case. for. potentially even manslaughter, a. reckless indifference to human life. Slapping the cuffs on a bleeding, dying.

man, telling him he's not bleeding and. dying. um seeing how ghostly he was, not. caring, not you'd been told on the phone. that there had been an injury and that. that medical care was necessary. Yes. >> And you show up so cavalerely and not. and don't even do an investigation to. see whether this this is the man who's. hurt. >> Um stabbed five times and you don't know. it. I mean, I I think you could make a. case there. Elsewhere, it's just a matter of. replacing your politicians, right? Like. >> getting rid of the bad and getting rid. of the good. I mean, that's one good.

thing that Trump has done, which is. close the southern border. And there's. only one Democrat promising to keep it. closed, and that's Rahm Emanuel. >> And I we haven't received that promise. from anybody else, nor is the media even. interested in asking the others in the. preliminary interview rounds whether. that might be something they do. They're. more interested in defunding ICE. So. that's what we're stuck with. >> It's atrocious. >> I know. So, all right. I'm going to get. back to more of these news headlines, but I I want to I want to talk about. you, Buckley. >> All right. So.

you are two years younger than Tucker. Did we mention that? >> Yes. Slightly [laughter] less than two. years. >> Okay. Two years younger just about. So. was there one grade between you? He was. like a. >> There was one grade between us. We were. very close our entire lives. We grew up. primarily with my father when we were. really young. >> I know about your mom. Tucker and I have. talked about. >> your biological mom split. What? He was. six and you were four. >> Yes. Exactly right. >> Which is like. horrendous. I mean, it's horrifying. >> Some people just aren't suited to it.

>> I know, but it's like that must be so. devastating. Do you have a memory of. her? >> I have a lot of memories of her. Uh, none of them are very complimentary. She. although I will say she was physically. attractive. She was smart. She was. articulate. She was probably great to be. at a cocktail party with. She had a lot. of personality. >> She was unstable. She was um. a bit of a maniac. And she didn't take. to parenthood. And I guess that happens. I I can. >> Wow.

>> You have children. It's the biggest. blessing in the world. >> Yeah. >> Um she didn't have that. However, my. father assumed both those. responsibilities at a young age. Fought. for us. And. >> you got very lucky there. >> Very lucky. >> Your dad sounds like he was so. incredible. I wish I had known him. >> I wish you had too. >> I mean, the the obit for him was it it. just he came alive on the paper where. you're like, "Oh my god, what a man.". Well, that was like a fraction of his. life. >> So, I glean just in getting ready for. today. So, tell us a little bit about.

him and because he though he had a very. active career, he was a very active. father and there's a reason you. Carlson's wound up like this. I mean, just like feisty and fiery and fiercely. independent and bucking trends and. pretty fearless. >> He was interested in everything. He had. sorry, he had started off as an orphan. in Boston actually at an orphanage. called the Home for Little Wanderers. was adopted by a family then readopted. by another family. >> What happened there? The first family. didn't want him. >> They had a policy I think that they used.

to have in America which was you put. them with someone who was culturally. similar. People who haven't had children. actually that was a premium you know if. it don't give a a an infant to a family. who's already been blessed with. children. Oh. So, uh, the family stepped. in, really nice Swedish family, had him. for exactly two years, and then one day. the orphanage showed up and said, "We've. got another family for you." So, and. they were perfectly nice people and. hardworking and and um, Christian and.

kind. And they took him in. He always. knew he was adopted, always knew he was. different. uh read books extensively. from a young age, always engaged in. serious adventure, was a total. non-conformist and. >> totally self-educated. >> Totally self-educated. Uh went to I. think one semester of high school. Uh, no. Got kicked out of three separate. high schools and he was wild and then. ended up enrolling himself in the Naval. Academy prep school and was there and.

then went to Old Miss for a semester. when James Meredith was there and all. those riots and then left and then went. went as so many adventurous. uh individuals did. Went to California. at I think 19, became a copy boy for the. LA Times. showed up in their office and. said, >> "Why not me? >> I'm here." Yes. And then was an. independent journalist, although had. worked for ABC, worked for ABC, worked. for NBC, was eventually in television,

and was a media guy for. an investigative reporter for most of. his career. And then he joined the. administration of Reagan and ran the. Voice of America during the Cold War. Mhm. And. >> and you you talked about how when you. were growing up in that household with. your dad who was determined to raise. good young men, um the li his library. was your favorite room in the house.

>> It was it was enormous actually. And my. it was populated ex exclusively by every. kind of book my all my father's books. He'd read every single one of them. Not. all in completion, but his his passions. were endless. He knew, he investigated. everything and and read about. everything. So, it was a really an. amazing compilation, his library. Um, and he taught us to read at a young age. and was constantly giving us adult books. and taking us with us, taking us with.

him on stories that he did. Traveled. around with him quite a bit actually. Um, yes, but his his library was a. particular sanctuary in that house that. we were growing up in and then every. subsequent house, he had I think 15 or. 17,000 books in his library when he. died. And. >> that's incredible. >> My brother's gone through all of them. and recreated a library in his honor. >> I was going to say Tucker is proud of. the fact that whenever you talked about. his books that he's read them all. Like. they're not show pieces.

>> Yes, absolutely. No, they're dogeared. They have cocktail napkins in them from. special dinners, you know, all sorts of. uh Carlsonia picked up throughout the. world. And so you can pull a book off a. shelf and it's like a a treasure hunt. >> But in the meantime, he was taking the. time to write you guys little notes in. your lunch pales, in your lunch bags, >> like a lyric or a limick or something. just to let you know he he cared. So, I. mean, that's pretty extraordinary,

especially given the time in the 1970s. You know, we hadn't yet gotten the memo. that that might be a good thing for a. dad to to be. Um, >> he took a great interest in both of us. and was highly communicative and always. made it very clear that you seek out the. truth, you defend the truth, the truth. is your best defense. He believed that. like few other people have seen. He. embodied that in his life. He always he. said, "Don't waste a moment. Don't waste. an opportunity and lead an interesting.

life. That's all he cared about that. And his work ethic was extreme. Never do. anything unless you're doing it to the. best of your ability. >> I know that used to be common in the. America we grew up in. >> Uh don't complain. Be an individual. Be. loyal to the ones you love, to your. country, to God, and be surrounded by as. many dogs as you Yes. as you can. >> I know this is your And you and you. apparently judge people on whether they. have a dog. I have two dogs. I'd love to. make it just one if you're in I know you. love dogs so much. [laughter] I have a.

red rascal. >> I have a red boy who would love some. time out on the hunting circuit with the. Carlson's. Um no, wait back to you. >> Can I just interject? Yeah, it is true. I don't judge people on anything. Look, I'm incredibly flawed human being. Don't. I try to lead a virtuous life and a good. life and I absolutely believe in God, but like everybody, I've been a sinner. and made mistakes. I do not judge other. people except. on the way they raise their children,

whether their children like them because. I think you have some control over that. Yeah, >> it depends on how much time you spend. with your children, if you focus on your. children, if you're honest with your. children. >> Um, and whether or not you have dogs. I. know some people can't, [laughter]. but you should if you can. >> Yes. >> Uh, sorry, I just wanted to. >> No, I I I love the conversation. makes. me look very good because I have these. dogs and I've kept this second dog. Notwithstanding tens of thousands of. dollars of damage, he's done. This boy, you name it, he's done it. On the bright.

side, we found out that he is literally. indestructible. >> Um, so that's my strut back. Okay. >> I have a dog just like this. We call her. autistic. She's the only like specialty. dog. We have a lot of um we have a. three-legged doggo Argentina that we. that we inherited that we adopted and. but she's our only specific dog. She's a. quail dog. She's tiny. She's a. combination of. >> actually can I tell you her providence. story for one second? >> So, she comes from an enormous piece of. property in Florida, privately owned by.

the same family for like a hundred years. and they do a lot of bird shooting on it. and it's like 300,000 acres. So, it's. very well contained and they've been. raising upland bird dogs for 60 years. Upland English cockers. And five years. ago, a towny Chihuahua broke into the. property, found the leak. >> And so, my girl is the second. generation. She's combination one. quarter Chihuahua, threequarters English. cocker. And she is absolutely. relentless. We call her our effing. rascal. She's autistic. [laughter] She's.

so loving. You said your rascal it has. my mine in five years has been in the. hospital 42 times. >> Oh my. >> The last time she I was actually. repairing a pair of trousers and she. leaned over and sucked down a 2 and 1/2. inch upholstery needle. >> Oh, come on. >> And then closed her mouth and I grabbed. her mouth and tried to pull it out. It. disappeared. I immediately called my. brother and I said, "Oh my gosh, Chief. Chief swallowed this needle." His first. words were, "She's had a good life." And.

they [laughter] said, "No, no, no.". Click. Call my vet. No, it was not. helpful at all. And I called my vet and. I and they said, "Oh, come here now.". [laughter] And I raised and it had made. it through her mouth, her esophagus, her. throat, into her belly. >> Oh, good. >> Unmolested. It was not going to go. further south after that without damage. And they haded Well, I didn't get it, but they got it. >> Had to pay someone. If I could also. throw out dog insurance. Very important. >> Yes. You know, friends of ours had this. They have a Bernese Mountain dog. I love. Bernie. >> And the Bernie's mountain dog ate They.

like to eat socks. Apparently they're. infamous for this. >> and mobs. >> It ate a sock and it needed a surgery to. get the sock out because it they don't. pass the socks. So they had to spend. $10,000 on a surgery for the sock. >> Came back home, recovered, >> ate another one, >> and the the dad said, "So the dog's. totaled, right? [laughter] He's totaled. Like you don't we're not Right." Of. course, the you know, the wife had the. Bernie's mountain dog back at the vet.

that afternoon. The dog was not totaled. The dog was saved. The budget was. totaled. [laughter]. >> I know. They're so naughty. >> I would live in a box on the sidewalk. before I would not pay for a surgery for. >> I know. Same. We had to pay a couple. Halloweens ago um $7,000 for an. endoscopy for Strudwick because he. wasn't going to the bathroom at all. We're like, what's going on? That's And. now he's not eating. That's not a good. sign. So, we take him in. He gets the. endoscopy. Do you know what? Avid.

listeners to the show know what it was. because I posted it in the newsletter. >> He had eaten one of those wax set of. lips that come out around Halloween. Oh, yeah. We were glu we glued it on this. pumpkin. We were making like a funny. face on the pumpkin and he got the. pumpkin and ate the wax lips and we just. hadn't noticed that it was gone. And. that's $7,000 later found out it was. >> you couldn't pass wax [laughter]. knows these things. >> I do. It's like who can keep up. All. right. Now, back to you and your.

childhood because I do want to get to. this. So, you're you're you did wind up. getting a stepmom who became really your. mother. >> Absolutely. >> This is for better or worse the heir to. the Swanson's chicken fortune. >> Yes. >> So, I mean what's you It's nice to grow. up with some dough, right? You got some. dough. We I mean I didn't personally. >> Yeah. But like you grew up around. >> they did. I mean we had a comfortable. life growing up for sure. We had an. interesting life. My parents didn't. spoil us at all. They didn't tolerate. any kind of entitlement.

>> Oh, I mean your brother's not even like. allowed to use the word I. So I I'm sure. you were not spoiled. >> Also strive not to use that. I never I. almost never use that. No. >> No. Hard to communicate without it. is. [laughter]. um yeah we were we were blessed because. we needed a woman in our lives. >> in our life and she was. >> an extraordinary person and had had an. unhappy earlier life had a weird.

childhood um but she became a very. strong Christian. She was very strong. She like so many. people who are worried about the minutia. and I think moms get you know some. credit for being worried about the. little things and she certainly was and. was communicative of it. But whenever. there was a big problem she was probably. the calmst in the family and most. faithful about that and she deferred to. my father on disciplinary stuff and. guidance mostly. He assumed that role. But she was a super loving and and their.

their love affair was amazing. She made. him a better person. She made us. >> better boys. And I miss. >> probably better husbands. >> And yeah, 100%. No doubt about it. And. they died within she preceded him in. death by a year. And I was talking to my. son about this yesterday because someone. he knows just died, an older couple. I'm. saying that is testament to a really. loving relationship when you see that.

when you see people who've married for a. long time and one of them dies and the. other one just basically yeah. >> surreners the next year. >> if they know where they're going and. they know they're going to be reunited. with the love of their life. >> that's Doug and I are going hand in hand. at 100 same time same night we got it. all planned out just God we worked it. out with God he said it's fine we. haven't been great but we've been good. enough that he said we could have that. one. >> it is the ideal. >> I know. >> you know I'm reminded often that the the. General Mills inventor of Lucky Charms,

forgot his name, died in a head-on. collision with his wife next to him in. his either, I think, early 90s. Probably. shouldn't have been driving, but. >> yeah, right. >> It's a pretty great way to go. >> I mean, that or like an explosion where. you don't know, you know, not trying to. give anybody any ideas, but I'm just. saying like one second you're fine and. the next second you're, you know, you've. moved on. We do often talk about the. apogee of love and how nice that would. be at least for one of us. It would be. pretty traumatizing for the other.

>> Yes, [laughter]. there is that. >> Yes. >> So now is it tell me if you don't want. to go there, but I've heard Tucker talk. about the fact that your dad, as it. turns out, may have been in the CIA. >> Yes. And he gets and yes, we didn't know. that. We knew that he was adjacent to it. >> for sure. He worked he worked for the. United States Information Agency. >> Okay. And journalists a lot of times get. co-opted. I haven't been co-opted into. the CIA, but. >> and I actually. >> I'd love to get an offer. >> 100%. >> Why not me? >> Yes, absolutely. >> No, it didn't happen. [laughter].

>> It was a much different time. I mean, it. was during the Cold War, so we had very. clearly defined goals as a country, very. clearly defined enemies, very clearly. defined principles that we were. upholding. And so he was a huge believer. in America and Americans and our liberty. and Christianity and you know he was he. was an American patriot for sure. So he. never did anything that would have been. contrary to that. Um I don't know the extent of it. I I.

only know that we got confirmation for. sure. Tucker and I had talked about it. periodically in our lives because. my father knew a lot of people in that. world and so they were around us a lot. >> Um but we never confronted him about it. which is weird because we talked to him. about absolutely everything. Never asked. him that. And then a week after he died, someone contacted us, wrote us a letter. about it. Wrote us a letter about his.

service. >> Oh, really? >> Yes. It was. >> that's pretty noble. >> I thought so. >> to let you know that there was this. piece of him that was also incredible. and. >> was worth celebrating. >> Yeah. Dynamic and I'm sure fascinating. Did he have any detail? Like was he able. to enrich you at all on that? >> Um he had not enough detail. No. >> it's been a year or so. I haven't. >> you got to you should spend the next. year looking into that and then write a. book about it. my father's life was so. bookw worthy and he wrote a number of. books actually but he wrote also a.

number of books that hadn't been. published and he's just so yes I'd like. to dedicate some time my life to. investigating that further and writing. about it. >> well I'll tell you so when I was a kid. so my dad was a professor at first. Syracuse University and then Sunni. Albany and he taught education and but. he flew all over the world to you know. Iran um he was down in Indonesia he was. all in these like weird places for a. college professor so we always like. wondered does he have some sort of. secret government role and he was a.

great shot even though we weren't big. hunters or anything like that. So we it. was like a sort of a running joke in our. family and I was recently telling my. kids about it and my daughter got so. excited about it she she asked chat GPT. or one of the AIS how do you find out if. your grandpa was in the CIA and the. answer was ask your parents [laughter]. >> and that turned out to be a dead end. >> that failed I don't I have no idea I. don't think so um not that I know of we. you know there there's always like weird. signs and academics were used during the.

70s and the 80s for that kind of thing. because they could travel without. suspicion. Same as journalists, >> you know, but my mom says it's not true. and I have no way of knowing whether. it's true. And again, they never came. calling on me, Buckley. So, if he was in. the CIA, I guess he wasn't. He must have. been a disappointment. Otherwise, they. would have. >> I feel like they would have at least. given me the letter. Yes, >> I didn't get the letter. >> That's pretty great. >> Anyway, >> Tucker has assailed endlessly and I've. been assailed endlessly as a fed. It's. like.

>> that's like the the new you're either a. fed or you're gay. That's the that's the. what they throw at you. Or a drifter. >> That assertion though, that second one, it sure I I never knew how many there. were. I mean, well beyond, you know, >> how many hidden gay people. >> Graham. Yeah. What is it about elected. politics and what is it about the. Republican party specifically that. encourages. >> them? I mean, we need to have deviant. sexual life should not be part of. government service because it obviously. obviously you've got weird priorities,

but it opens you up to lots of leverage. obviously. So, >> is it do they recruit people who have. deviant sexual lives or. >> is there something about, you know, power people who. >> Well, if you if you are out as a gay man. in 2026 America, you're fine. No one. cares. >> Celebrated. Yes. >> I think isn't that the norm? Isn't or. isn't that the ideal? >> If you're married to a woman and you're. gay, it's a much bigger deal. >> Absolutely. >> And and we have so many of those who are.

obviously with beards. You know, it's. like we know she's a who I don't. understand the women who volunteer to be. a beard. Like, you know, you're a beard. We can tell just from your husband's. affect and the way he behaves that he's. gay. You sleep with him, so you can. definitely tell. So, why would you agree. to that? Someone needs to do a study on. that. I don't understand it. And by the. way, yes, no one no one successfully. keeps that hidden. It's obvious to. anyone. >> Very well. I mean, it it's on team Dem.

You still you have a lot who are like I. understand closeted Republicans because. it seems to be it's the party that's a. little bit more traditionally. conservative in terms of its, you know, social behaviors. The Democrats are. like, you know, they're celebrating men. with breasts and they are saying, you. know, referring to women as just vagina. havers. I mean, it's like that you can. be anything and be elected as a. Democrat. And yet, >> I don't know. It seems pretty clear to. me. It's just my opinion. James Tarico.

seems on fire. >> Yes. >> Claims he's straight. Um Cy Booker and. his weird fake wedding photos that he. looks very gay. Sorry. I just Maybe I'm. wrong. I'm just saying that's how you. project. We could be here a while if we. go down the list. I don't In 2026, America, this is unnecessary. >> Yes, absolutely. >> Anyway, yeah, Lindsay, that's another. one. >> And that's probably the most offensive. because he said on camera that he'd be. perfectly willing, not just perfectly. willing, but eager to send your children. to fight Israel's war. >> Yeah. >> Why is that acceptable? I'm really. holding out hope. I woke up, one of my.

early prayers this morning was that the. the excellent voters of South Carolina. will reject Lindsey Graham in this. primary today and Mark Lynch. And we'll. see. I've seen some encouraging numbers. >> I hope you're right. >> I don't know. What do you think is going. to happen with Graham Platner from from. Maine, a state you have? >> I think it seems inevitable he's going. to be in. >> He's going to beat Susan Collins. >> Doesn't Yeah, seems like. >> I mean, obviously today's just a. primary, but the general's coming up in. November. >> And how will how will that affect the. GOP caucus? I wonder because she's such. a reliable conservative.

>> I mean, I know you you've been talking a. lot about the uni party lately, and you. have a decent point. It's like how will. any of this affect any of our lives in. any material way. >> when 88% of the country wants you know. transparency in elections they want safe. elections and they've just given up on. that I guess now they have given up on. it completely it's dead the safe act. will not be revived is that that's what. I understand. >> yeah no it's dead. >> but yet on a voice vote they can. basically confirm that our military and. and Israel's military should be merged.

>> yeah that we're we're now there's some. sort of merger happening es especially. when it comes to intelligence. Yes. >> Which at at a time in which the poll was. just out today that fewer Americans are. supportive of Israel than ever before. It's finally flipped. And the numbers. were vastly in Israel's favor, the. majority, well over 50%. It was like 57%. I think around October 7th of 23 when. they were attacked. And it's completely. flipped now. So why would we be getting. closer to them militarily? Why don't the.

American people have say in that? >> Yes, absolutely. They're pretty clear. about it. Was it 66% or something of. Americans say that we're too closely? >> Um, well, and it was like a favor versus. unfavor when it comes to Israel and. Palestine. Do I have it here? I'll try. to find it. Let's stand by. Oh, I don't know. I have so many things. that I screen grabbed. I can't find it, but I'll get it for you and I'll we can. we can talk about it. >> Well, on the heels of the anniversary, since this is kind of a good opener, I. don't know if you realize obviously. Thomas Mazi gave the speech. She's the. first member of Congress actually to.

recognize the victims of the USS Liberty. 59 years later. The very first one to. ever do that in Congress. >> And he he had 12 survivors in in the. chambers with him. And he asked he. passed he wants to pass a resolution. that says, "Let's have an arena. investigation.". Do you know that Donald Trump has never. once spoken publicly about not issued a. tweet, not issued any talking point. about the USS Liberty, and no one else. in the co in the caucus? No one else in. Congress. Rokan has gotten close, but as.

far as I can tell from this morning, not. a single person has said that they would. support the victims of the USS Liberty. when it's clear that Israel attacked our. men. Clear that the US president at the. time, LBJ, actually approved of the Six. Fleet turning around and leaving them to. be attacked further. and learned last. night from a foyer request from someone. that actually it's in writing that the. US government had considered sinking the.

remains of the USS Liberty so no one. could take a picture of the USS Liberty. and thereby damage public perception of. Israel and question our relationship. with Israel. That was back in 1967. >> Wow. >> Um but I was shocked. Sorry. I was. shocked that not a single other elected. official in America has the balls or has. Yeah. the balls were the patriotism or. the compassion to even recognize these. guys who've been so trampled upon uh.

aside from being killed. But they were. they've been thoroughly disrespected in. the worst kind of way with our own. government. >> You can say whatever you want about our. government, >> but not theirs. >> Yes. >> I mean, I think most of us have learned. that firsthand the hard way. >> Yes. I mean, I have been absolutely. brutal on our own presidents from Barack. Obama to Joe Biden. And of course, I've. been critical of Donald Trump where he. deserves it, too. Um, and no problem. You know, some people don't like the.

Trump stuff, but okay, fine. You know, I'm allowed to say it. >> Yes. >> And most of my audience says, "Fine. Yeah, we we understand sometimes you're. critical, sometimes you're supportive.". But you get to Israel and there is a. certain faction of the conservative. movement. >> Oh. who will tell you it's a hard no. that you're a grifter that whatever you. get the bots I see you're getting. attacked by the bots non-stop online too. >> and there's like an apparatus that. immediately turns on you so who is that. who is effectively trying to veto any.

anything whether it's Tom Massiey's. congressional seat or a podcaster like. me or Tucker trying to talk about this. or you on social media raising these. points who's who's doing that. >> I'm this little guy in social media. Well, I mean, they've been pretty. upfront, actually. I mean, it's been. written about how much money they've. devoted. I would say it's our money. because we entirely support Israel. So, any money they have to set aside $750. million in a propaganda campaign. or hiring Brad Parcale.

>> Yeah, >> it's kind of shocking actually, >> who runs Salem Media and had to register. as a foreign agent uh for a foreign. government. >> And I seem to recall actually when he. ran the second the Trump re-elect that. like millions of dollars had disappeared. from the campaign. I'm obviously not. assailing him personally, but it seems. odd that he would be in charge of it. >> That I don't know. >> Oh yes. Million many millions of dollars. disappeared from the Trump campaign. apparently and he was in charge of it. So the idea that he's now got a lot of. time on his hands and he's upfront about. being a paid at least he's upfront about. being.

>> Yeah. Well, apparently it was so. significant he had no choice. I mean. it's the ones who are you really have to. worry about are like the ones who are. taking boat loans of dough and don't. disclose and are just trying to get away. with it. And then there are the other. ones where it's like less of an a form. an official relationship, but they just. need the pat on the head, Buckley. >> They just need those little snaps that. they get from the Israel firsters of. like, "Thank you so much for defending. Israel." You know what? It's fine to be. critical of Israel. Like, how is it some. sin to have an issue with Israel's.

foreign policy or Israel getting us into. a war? How does that make you. immediately an anti-semite or a bad. person? I question the people who are. uniformly defensive of a foreign country. as or even of our country. >> I grew up in Southern California on the. border with Mexico. Mexico has been. flooded by Mexicans. Mexican the Mexican. government has been complicit in pushing. people into our country. The Mexican. government has pushed a ton of fentanyl. into our country. Mexican government has. had an incredibly bad effect on America. and on the West. If you say that, do.

people say, "Oh, you hate Mexicans?". >> Absolutely not. Absolutely not. like. treat people as individuals, you know, hold people responsible for their. actions. Hold governments responsible. for their actions. I'm sorry. We're. supposed to hate Vladimir Putin, but. we're not allowed to we're not allowed. to criticize BB Netanyahu when he's less. popular in his own country than he and. less popular here. >> Yeah. >> Um, no, it's I don't know how it's it's. not defensible on its face. So I don't.

know how these people can make that. argument that you're an anti-semite or. hate Jews because you're questioning a. foreign power that has had such an. effect and has a sort of a strangle hold. obviously not just on our foreign policy. but has a huge effect on Donald Trump. and the rest of the elected officials. who've neglected and are disdainful. towards the American people who gave. them this power who put them in power. and have tolerated them thus far but. don't seem like they have a huge. appetite for toleration. ating it going.

forward. >> No, it seems clear Trump wants this war. done. >> Yes. >> The only real question now is whether. that will be allowed. >> Do you think it's a a sign of strength. for him to say as he did last week, I'm. the one who holds the power. I'm the one. who holds the power. >> Not really. >> No, I've never heard anybody in your own. in your marriage. I'm sure you guys. don't yell [laughter] at each other to. death. >> Me? >> Yeah. No, it's not great. You can see. he's frustrated with the messaging. around this. You know, he's he doesn't.

like people to think that he's being. controlled by Netanyahu. That's obvious. >> Yes. >> Um right now they're sort of publicly. feuding. Not really. But Trump is, you. know, he obviously he let it leak that. he had this contentious phone call with. Netanyahu in which he swore at him. >> He wants them to stop bombing Lebanon. But Israel says it's Lebanon that's. bombing us. not Lebanon, but Hezbollah. that's that's bombing us and we have the. right to defend ourselves. And now we. just got Mark Leavvin, who's basically. the mouthpiece for Israel. Whatever he's.

saying is what Israel once said. Um, who. came out last night and was sort of. attacking President Trump. I'm going to. show you what he's saying. And my only. question for you really, Buckley, is is. he actually turning on Trump? Because. Trump, the neocons really want Trump to. double down on the fighting with Iran. They want% bombs away. Let's wipe them. into, you know, the next century. and he's not going to do that. reportedly. So, it's either his. frustration that Trump's not going to do. that that we're about to see or there.

there are some people online who believe. like Jen Weaguer was suggesting is this. some sort of an op where they're trying. to make it look like they're feuding and. they're actually about to do a new. bombing. There are some reports about. some u movements I think of the 82nd. Airborne and whether they're getting a. little too close to Car Island. I don't. know. You listen to Mark live and you. tell me whether this is real. >> Maybe we'll know once the once the. negotiators have been killed. >> Oh, yes. Yes. [laughter]. >> That's always a good sign. >> That's a good tell.

>> All right. Here he is. >> I don't know why [snorts] the president. of the United States feels the need to. keep going to left-wing reporters. [sighs]. and talking about confidential. conversations he has with the prime. minister of Israel. And I don't know why he keeps bashing. the prime minister of Israel who's. trying to protect his country and his. own people. Just a few weeks ago, their fighter jets. were fighting right alongside ours. The MSAD was working with the CIA.

And of course, the prime minister was. working with the president. in what was a spectacular military. operation. I know the president is. deeply desperate for a deal. The. Iranians know he's deeply desperate for. a deal. The whole world knows he's. deeply desperate for a deal. Got it. And. Israel's told it can only fight a. defensive war. And Israel's told to stay. away from Beirut, even though the the. head of the snake is right outside of. Beirut. The hypocrisy of our country.

that wouldn't put up with it in the. treatment of that country is ridiculous. In fact, we don't ask any other country. to do that. None. So why the constant beating up of. Netanyahu? In fact, there was an. announcement from the White House last. night saying, "We had nothing to do with. this. Our our military is not involved.". And I commented, "Well, that's nothing. to be proud of.

Our military is not involved. Their. military wouldn't exist without the. largest of the American taxpayer.". >> He's talking about the latest strikes, >> right? Of course. Uh, I also thought it. was interesting that he said that MSADA. and the CIA had been working together. Oh, that's a novel idea. I think they've. been. >> bedfellows for a long time. Um, >> do I think it's an op? I don't know. I. mean, it's hard to believe. Again, he's. out there testing messages. Obviously, Mark Levin is. >> in the crudest and and boy, I'm glad. I've got low blood pressure because just.

listening to his voice, I can't believe. he's got a career on radio. That's the. most grading, irritating, whiny. >> nonsense I've heard. Um, >> he's going to abandon Trump in about two. seconds if Trump does not go through. with another bombing campaign. >> Well, he's fluctuated a lot in his. support or attacks of Trump. I mean, he's was an anti anti never Trumper for. so long. Not just not just Trump the. man, but actually the perfectly. achievable, you know, MAGA program that. Trump should be focused on instead of.

engaging in a in a war that's going to. be. >> No, I think the Levins of the world. treat Trump like he's, you know, I don't. want to say useful idiot because I'm not. sure they view him that disdainfully, but certainly just like a useful tool to. enact their neocon agenda. Yes. >> And now that Trump has realized this is. a disaster for the United States and I. think he'd like to have it back if he. could get it back. Um they're they're. starting to ramp it up. This is not. okay. >> It's not okay. Do you think, by the way, do you think that's an opportunity for. him? Do you think it's gone too far? Do. you think if he pulled out of Iraq in a. way that we were able to maintain our.

pulled out of Iraq and obviously to. maintain our interests in the region and. focus on American priorities and push. Israel away and say we're no longer. tolerating this? Do you think the base. do you think Americans would actually. give him a pass? I don't feel. >> I don't think so. But I think it would. be a lot better than doubling down and. getting us further entrenched and god. forbid seeing more blood and treasure. spilled on the on the you know lands of. Iran. Not to mention what's happening. with our economy. I mean I just think at. this point it's like stop the bleeding.

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>> I care about my life. I don't care about. the street of Hormuz, but I must talk. about it because we appear to be. launching another war. Um, this. helicopter was shot down and there was a. question about whether it was one of. ours and who did it. It was one of ours. The president has just confirmed this in. a post on Truth Social. I have just been. informed, he writes, by our great. military that last night the Iranians. shot down one of our highly. sophisticated Apache helicopters while. patrolling over the street of Hormuz.

There were two pilots involved. Both are. safe and uninjured. Thank God. Nevertheless, the US must of necessity. respond to this attack. Thank you for. your attention to this matter, President. Donald J. Trump. So, this is what. Professor Pap would call the escalation. trap that he's been warning about since. the launch of this war that it's kind of. like whether you want it or not, >> it's coming. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Once you launch a war, >> when Donald Trump said it was confirmed.

by our military, did he mean that was. the intelligence that's so valuable that. we get from Israel? Could it have been? I mean, who why would why wouldn't their. intelligence be superior to ours when it. comes to what happened last night in the. street of Hormuz? >> Someone famous yesterday said, I heard. this great quote last night, late last. night, that. Benjamin Netanyahu's political life is. dependent upon extending this war. And. Donald Trump's political life is. dependent upon ending it. It's been. clear from the beginning. Why would we. he ever saddle the America America's.

fortunes with another country? It. doesn't matter if we're supposed friends. and great allies. I'd argue there's a. lot of evidence that we aren't and. they've displayed they've proven that. during these last three months of this. war. I would also say not attacking you. at all or your hair stylist and I. totally agree people who are not. familiar with the straight of her uh. until three months ago. But it is. important in that it's had a huge effect. on everyday Americans and their economic.

lives. I know it's cost it cost it costs. literally 50% more now than it did three. months ago to fill your car. >> Yeah. No, she she was saying all I care. about is that it cost $120 to fill my. gas tank now. >> Gosh. Like cheddar cheese, bacon is like. 15 bucks a pound. I mean that is not. sustainable and it's apparently going to. get a lot worse obviously with the. lack of oil, lack of fertilizer, lack of. all the things that the world needs some. which are coming out of there. Um, I.

know and unfortunately I this is exactly. what Netanyahu wants. He wants this to. continue. They are served by chaos in. the Middle East and by Iran being bogged. down in war and frankly by us being. bogged down in war. We are not and. President Trump definitely is not. The. Republican party definitely is not. And. the president So as we so we this is so. perfect, isn't it? As we go to break, we're talking about how the neocons are. getting mad at Trump because he doesn't. want to escalate things in Iran. He. wants this thing to end. He's finally.

pushing back on them, whether it's. Netanyahu or Mark Levvin. And we go to. break and this drops on Trus. So, oh uh. wait, actually, we're back in and we. must respond. >> Yes. >> I don't know. They have a way of getting. their way. So hopefully this will be. quick and not too escalatory, but this. is this is what happens. I keep going. back to what General Stan Mcrist said at. the beginning of our invasion of Iran or. whatever you want to call it, which was.

I hope you really enjoy the. bomb-dropping phase of the war for those. of you who are in support of this. because as it as wars go, that's the. best phase. You you get to do a lot of. damage from the air. you don't tend to. lose a lot of men and you hit a lot of. targets given the great precision and. strength of our American military and. then it stops going well. >> Yes. Yes. I would just say the last I. agree with everything you said. completely. I'm just shocked also to the. extent to which we have Trump has.

undermined. the rationale for American power in the. region. And I think it's last night a. great example was Iran actually got in. the middle of Lebanon and Israel and. protected the Lebanese from the incess. and shelling from Israel. And then if. you consider the situation in the rest. of the Gulf countries and how these. these countries understood that their. association with America guaranteed.

their security, their physical security. but their economic security as well and. then we have completely failed to. provide that for them. So obviously the. the wreckage of this. perfectly short war at the moment that. is clearly about to get a lot worse has. been demonstrably bad and does seem to. be getting so much worse. And it was. anticip clearly anticipated even by. people who only would have to study it. for a moment to recognize what the.

effects would be. >> And people around Donald Trump certainly. knew and Donald Trump should have known. And given all his past commentary on the. subject, he clearly did know. >> I mean, I think it's been interesting. because I've listened to like my friends. at National Review. And I love Rich. Lowry. I think he's a good guy. He. [snorts] was very, very pro when this. first happened. He came on the show and. he was pro, I was against. And you know, we talked about it like friends and he. said why he was pro. And they're. neoconi. They're not neocons exactly, but they're neocon. They're hawks, I.

think it's fair to say, at NR. and they. they don't they don't like what they're. seeing at all anymore. They realize this. hasn't worked out. I've listening I've. been listening to their show and I read. NR and even they are like this turned. out to be a not great idea because of. the way it was executed and because of. the straight of Hormuz which they did. take over. They've realized they have. this a massive economic nuclear bomb if. they don't have an actual nuclear bomb. and they're not afraid to use it and so. on. And I think President Trump has.

realized the same. I think there are a. lot of hawks who are realizing, I wanted. to support the president. I listened to. what he said, but here we are three. months later with no end in sight and. gas prices through the roof and energy. prices affecting everything else coming. down the pike on goods that were already. inflationary that he hadn't managed to. get down. I actually just had a meeting. with my financial adviserss that was. very interesting, Buckley, because they. were like the prices are not going to. come down. They were. >> for years apparently. >> at all. They were like, they were.

explaining inflation to me in a way no. one had ever done so before, saying the. the inflation rate has come down. It was. at 9% under Biden and now it's three and. change under Trump. But the the price of. the goods is not coming back down. The. goods went up in price and they're going. to stay high in price. And then they had. an argument for why as an economic. matter you could say that's not that's a. good thing. Otherwise, you have. deflation which is also problematic for. the economy. But the American public, I.

think, was expecting some of their. grocery bills to come down under. President Trump. And the the cold hard. reality is they're not going to. And now. the inflationary scale is going back up. because of the war that we launched. >> Yes. >> Those are the realities. I like I don't. know how to fix them at this point other. than stop doing the one thing that's. driving them up. >> Yes. And even then, even if you opened. up the straight of it was tomorrow and. it was free and clear for, you know, 20%. of the the world's oil, how many years.

does it take did your financial advisor. say, because I've read it's like three. or four years to get back on track and. as you pointed out, those prices are. never coming down again. And people had. still been trying to recover from the. obscene inflation underneath the under. the Biden administration's. mismanagement. uh and that have they had. every right obviously to expect that. Trump one could do it and two would. spend a lot of time thinking about how. to do it um boy dispiriting. >> Well, they were making the point that.

the one that Trump makes which is the. market is doing really well. >> and we've been talking on this show. about how well I mean great but like the. average Joe is not heavily positioned in. the market. He's worried about paying. his bills. He lives paycheck to. paycheck. He hasn't been on a vacation. in a long time. And they also pointed. out the other thing which you know is. has been in the news. Credit card debt. is sky-high right now, >> which is another leading indicator that. that regular people are suffering that. they're having they're not like going on.

massive spending sprees as sachs. >> They're using those cards to pay their. bills. >> Yeah. Groceries. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. At the same time, the. healthcare industry is imploding and. people are getting nothing for the. dollars they're spending. >> and their and their premiums are going. way up because the Obamacare subsidies. are are going away. >> and American hospitals are failing for a. lot of reasons but thanks to like crazy. immigration policy obviously which very. few people talk about but. >> well think if you're. >> also the scam with the nonprofit. hospitals who you know are I don't know.

if you know much about them but the. nonprofit hospitals in America who are. >> required prepared to provide this. benefit to the surrounding communities. in which they live. A actually don't the. experience has degraded enormously and. at the same time the administrative. hospital administration salaries. everything have skyrocketed. >> Well, of course, >> um yeah, weight times even quality of. care has drastic. Well, I was going to. say the only thing worse than this.

conversation and and the realities of it. would be to be a conservative or a. Republican experiencing all of this in. LA. where [laughter]. no matter what you do, it's never going. to change. They will make sure. >> Yes. Despite the will of the people, I. mean, they've had a long peri despite. the recent clear vote stealing or. whatever it is. It's vote stealing. obviously. I I was like I don't I was. thinking about this today. I'm like you. could call it fraud. I think a more.

accurate word would just be cheating. >> Yes, absolutely. >> I don't think they're actively fooling. anyone in the way a fraud would, you. know. >> Yes, >> they're just cheating. That's how it. looks to me. And there are all sorts of. reports of how Steve Hilton said this. yesterday and he was 100% right. We went. back and fact checked in my team. Did. you know you have to get your ballot in. by voting day? Postmarked by voting day. We knew that. That's an outrage. You don't actually have it have to have. it postmarked. You can write the date.

that you put it in the mail on the. exterior. >> Come on. >> So you could have voting day is Tuesday. You could have a Thursday postmark, but. as long as you've written on it Tuesday, whatever voting day was, they'll accept. it. I looked at the law myself. It's. insane. And there are all sorts of. reports of them going to these Democrat. groups that are so well organized going. to homeless people. >> You don't actually have a signature. You. can have an X or a line for your.

signature as long as you have a witness. who says they saw you sign it. And who. are these witnesses? You know, it's like. basically ACORN. Those remember that. group? >> Oh, very. >> It's groups like that. >> So there that's why in my opinion you. see all these votes coming in that I I. could buy Democrat. The Democrat. overtakes the Republicans. It's. California. It's LA. I don't buy Nthia. Ramen way more than Karen Bass, their. existing mayor, who by the way happens. to be black and a woman, too. I mean, Nithia is Indian. I I just don't I don't.

buy that. No one even knew who that was. No. >> A month ago. She cried on election night. because she lost and she knew it. >> Yes. >> So, they we know what they're doing. And. And then you have people are like, "There's no proof." You know what her. name? Kristen Welker was like to Trump. There's no proof. There's not going to. be proof this close to the actual vote. like we actually need to do an. investigation, look at the votes. The. ones that are getting re rejected right. now in LA, we're told, are the. Republican votes for Pratt where those. the volunteers are triplechecking those.

signatures just to make sure it was. actually you. >> All these Republicans online saying they. got theirs back, like a call from. somebody saying, "Didn't check out.". It's just it's it smells to high heaven. >> Yes, it does. No, it's disgusting. And. they've had there's no defense of it. That's why I don't understand. There's. no defense of it and Trump has power and. they have both houses of Congress. They. should be able to do something about it. Plus, they have an attorney general in. California. Why isn't he held to account. for? >> Well, they're looking the US attorney is. looking into it right now, although not.

with a lot of cooperation. The the state. officials don't want the feds. interfering in their election processes. Can you blame them? It's been working. out so well for them. They're like, "Stay out of it. This is about states. rights.". >> Um, >> suddenly federalists. Yes. >> They just have to leave. And even Steve. Hilton now has officially been declared. one of the last two standing on the. gubernatorial race, which is great. Love. Steve. They're not gonna vote for Steve. There's just no way they're gonna vote. for him over Javier Bera. And even if. Spencer Pratt had made it into the final.

two, would that machine have allowed him. to beat Karen Bass? >> Of course not. >> It just all feels so hopeless sometimes. >> and so manufactured. And they're not. even artful about it. I I mean I I. remember corruption or stealing used to. be, >> you know, subtrifuge and the good old. days. Yeah. [laughter] Absolutely right. >> There was a beauty to it. >> Partially plausible. Now none of it's. plausible and people are getting. dispirited over it. And so I don't I. don't know what the answer is, but. someone had better do something about. >> I think you got to do what you did and. leave California. That's your That's.

where you were raised. >> Well, you think they'd start paying. attention at some point. You're right. California had had an influx of people. throughout its entire history up until. co then it had this massive exodus and. then they're losing tons of money and. they're going to be suffering at some. point. You would think the government I. mean who extracts all this wealth and. spends it on their pet projects. I mean. >> you would think I mean that as they say. the problem with socialism is eventually. you run out of other people's money but. they seem to really want us to elevate. their outgoing governor to president.

They. The the Democrats are open-minded to. that, too. They they're no one's saying. on their team like, "What do you mean? He bankrupted California. They have. homeless people everywhere. He ruined. two of the top greatest cities in the. world, San Francisco and LA, which is. burned down to its stubs in huge parts. of it. Like. >> crushed people during CO engaged in some. of the the most absurd CO policies. anywhere.". >> Yes. >> Actually, you should be held to account. the homelessness and the crime alone.

should be a dealbreaker, but it's not. I. don't like the hairline can only take. one so far or are we kidding ourselves. about that? >> He's actually Gavin Newsome is the. perfect candidate though if you think. about it because he's such a chameleon. and has no principles whatsoever. He's. reasonably articulate. He's reasonably. handsome. I mean, he knows his way. around a microphone and a television. prompter, obviously. Um, >> what's with this, though? He's. constantly with the hands. Where did. that go? Does this. >> something very strange with he how he.

never stops with the hand motions like. the guy who's landing the jet plane at. JFK? >> And is it supposed to be hypnotic? Cuz I. actually feel kind of ill. Oh, really? I get the sense they go to. some sort of special school where. they're learn how to justiculate. >> It's one of two things. It's either. nerves or it's lying. >> He's definitely incapable of the latter, I think, at all times. >> Bill Houston, the spy the lie guy. He. wrote the book Spy the Lie. 25 years. CIA. >> Yes. figuring out who is a double agent. by, you know, questioning them. internally and figuring out which.

terrorists who were supposedly helping. us were actually working still for the. other side. So, this guy knows how to. detect lies. And one of the things he. says is hands above the midline moving. around. And the reason is when you lie, it's like an adrenaline surge in your. body and it can't stay in there. It has. to shoot out somehow. It can shoot out. through your fingers. It can shoot out. through your ears. like through your uh. extremities. People liars will often. touch like their ear or their nose. If. their legs are crossed, they'll start. doing the leg kick. Oh yeah. >> When they lie. He's got all sorts of.

tapes of people. But I actually think. when I look at Gavin Newsome, it's like. one big lie and it's it's all of his. nervous energy shooting out of his. fingers. Or he's just a very nervous. public speaker who's learned to mask it. somehow in his delivery but not in his. body motions. >> Oh, I like that. I'd never seen I never. read that. I like that theory. [laughter]. I think I passed the test. >> Yeah. You haven't moved a. >> be nice and. >> do you is there any Democrat you could. ever vote for?

>> Gosh, there used to be there used to be. a number of southern Democrats I really. liked. I'm trying to think. There is a. congresswoman in California actually who. Thank her name. She's recent. Uh Roana. has been reasonable on a on a number of. things. I've admired him. I've admired. his courage. Uh, I generally can't think. of any any America loving, reasonable, honest people on the left. Of course, anybody who attacks Donald Trump is now. a leftist or a Soviet shill or.

>> an Israel hater. Uh, so you'd think that. I would have some experience with that. No, I can't actually think of any. reasonable Democrats. I'm assure sure. there must be some, >> but uh I'm not aware of any beyond. >> Well, what do you make of somebody like. a Graham Platner in Maine who has been. saying like we're done with the Israel. lobby nonsense, which is good. >> Yes. >> But also wants to stack the Supreme. Court packet with an extra three. justices like and the love affair is. over. You Oh, that's Wait, no.

[laughter]. I don't like how what do people do? There are a lot of people listening this. show, all young Republicans now, a vast. majority of young Republicans even are. Israel skeptical. So, they're looking. for somebody. They're not They don't. want to pack the Supreme Court. You know. what I mean? Like, how do we find the. candidate? We kind of had him in Thomas. Massie and he just got bounced out. >> Yes. >> Who doesn't say the the lunatic things. like that second part, but is finally. going to try to put an end to this weird.

unhealthy relationship we have. I don't. care what it used to be. Right now, it's. toxic and they're dragging us into wars. So, it's got to be controlled and they. control all of our politicians. I don't What do you. >> I've noticed. >> So, what do we do? Who do we vote for? >> I don't know about now who we vote for. now. I do know it's going to it's a. cleansing process for politics going. forward. Clearly, both um the parties. have I hate the term, but it's I think. accurate here, but clown themselves. They do not represent their voters. They.

don't represent. the vast majority of Americans. literally as there going to be have to. be some benchmarks for any national. candidates are just going to have to say. right up front won't take any foreign. money won't take any lobbyist money from. corporations and they're going to have. to articulate. their faith in American heritage. American culture American values. American language. um I think that's a great start and I.

don't think that would have happened if. we hadn't gotten in this if we hadn't. gotten in been dragged into this war. >> because I do think that some people for. instance during the campaign or during. Trump's entire first term when he used. to talk about the deep state and the. swamp people could actually dismiss it. You and I wouldn't or other people who. were paying attention oh really is there. really a super uh natural um national. deep state that controls things beyond. those that you vote for? And some people.

could dismiss that. But now actually. Donald Trump's actions over the last 19. months and most especially his inactions. on the domestic front on behalf of. people who voted for him and the. Americans who've trusted him revealed. that there is in fact incontrovertibly. this power structure behind the scenes. that most people were not aware of. somewhere. >> things like big pharma. >> Yes, >> big. >> big egg. Big pharma. the fact that. you're being completely that you're. being surveyed at all times, that you're.

being poisoned at all times, the fact. that we're moving inexorably towards, you know, fake currency that they can. control. Um, >> not to mention AI that's going to wipe. out all of our children's jobs. >> Yes. And not a single person in in. national office is articulating how they. all seem thrilled by it. And then you. see and then of course there's the. corruption that is just out in in the. open now. Um but anyway, but people are aware. People are like, "Yes, this doesn't. work. Democratic party, they're it might.

actually bring people together.". Actually, it's revealed that there's. this uni party power structure because. no matter what you say in public or no. matter whom you vote for, you're still. getting the program that benefits. someone else other than the American. people. That's just so obvious now. Um, so transparency, declaration of no foreign money. Uh and. then maybe we could also stop electing. people who have deviant sexual lives. People who do in fact believe in God, people who embrace life, people who.

didn't aspire to power their entire. lives like class presidents who rise. through staffers in Congress for their. entire careers. Maybe people who've. actually employed others and people who. are married and have children and. display the kind of values that. represent this. >> old school. >> Yeah. I mean, so in that sense, I think. it's there's hope. >> Yes. It's always like the phoenix always. comes up from the ashes. >> Yes. >> So,

>> it does seem like you have to burn it. down. >> Yeah. I mean, it was burning. >> So, it's like if it's going to burn. down, might as well throw the accelerant. on there, get it over with, and start. over. >> Absolutely. Slow death is not a good. death. >> I don't know. It's like I. I [sighs] don't know. Maybe I'm just. naive because I just feel like, okay, Trump ran for office on a very positive. agenda that I was very much behind. He's. completely blown up the Middle East. promises and the no war promises. That's. obvious. Um, he does seem very much.

attuned to what those massive interest. groups want him to do. All politicians basically are or have to. be, otherwise they can't get elected. Like that's it's very rare to find the. man who can say I'm not taking any of. their money and I don't care what they. have to say and can get elected. Like. their money controls everything. It. manipulates us at every turn whether we. know it or not. >> So like you can have an honest guy like. that say something like that like a. Massie. I think Rand Paul is also.

honest. Like I do think he's got his. principles and he votes on his. principles. He doesn't give a. whether you like them or not. >> Very much so. >> Um so he's gotten up to that level. US. Senate. He's h, you know, none of the. polls has ever been able to cross over. to the next level. Um, but so I I I guess I'm still clinging to. the hope that Trump can get back to at. least the pieces of the agenda that. aren't controlled by those people, you. know? >> Yes. like maybe we can like I'm. concerned because the Easter breakfast. tape that was leaked of Trump talking to.

the group was Trump saying the. government federal government really. can't do anything other than foreign. policy. and that seemed to be a moment of. honesty for him. He's not totally wrong either if we're. being you know honest and fair to him. like the federal government really can't. do that much at least not with out 60. votes in the US Senate. It does require. Well, they should get rid of the. filibuster. It does seem clear that they. should. >> They can't. They They don't have the. votes to, >> right? I know.

>> They don't even have 51 Republicans. >> No, I'm aware. But they But yes, that. debate has been ongoing for the last, you know, 15 years. They should do. something about um he's right, I think. But to address it, you have to fix it, you have to address it. You have to. focus on it. You have to declare that. it's a priority for you, as he did. during the campaign. and he's been so. distracted by the war for for Israel. Um, >> so he has some obviously his power he's. revealed this too. His power the power.

of the chief executive in America is is. not only diminished but it's revealed to. have been well diminished what people. expected. Um, but if he pivoted, if he. solved this problem in the Middle East. by disengaging from Israel, um, and returned his focus to a domestic. focus, there's a lot to address here in. America. He addressed it well. He. articulated a path forward that wasn't. going to be easy, but that was. achievable and that was supported by not. just the coalition that voted for him.

by the way, as you know better than. most, a coalition that had really never. been assembled in in our demographic, America, in our lifetimes. >> Um, so many people love this country. So. many people have worked really hard and. sacrificed for this. So many people. before Donald Trump. >> Um, and. he needs to recalibrate. He. [clears throat] needs to refocus on. American Americans. And he he will he. will be able to affect some change if he. does that. I actually don't have any.

faith that he will. I think he's. demonstrated that he can't. >> The most positive thing you said was the. small executive. That's what we need. >> Yes. >> That's what we need. I don't want a big. presidency at all. Whether it's Trump or. anybody else, like pick the politician. you most deeply admire, whoever it is, I. don't want them to have a big. presidency. >> No. >> Like, let's shrink it down. Like, politics was supposed to be controlled. at the local level. The states were. supposed to be more autonomous. It's. only in recent modern American history. that we've gotten into this weird cult. of personality around the president and.

we're all focused on our president and. we like to imbue him with all sorts of. powers with his magic wand to come in. and do things like crime fighting at the. local level. I we it's part it's mostly. probably the media's fault. >> Yes. >> For not focusing at all on state and. local elections where differences. actually can be made and who wins the. state house actually has far more effect. on your life than who wins the white. house. >> Yes. Um, >> it is a cultural problem though because. it used to be a part-time legislature.

and it government federal government is. not there to do anything other than. protect the homeland and you know keep. the the currency and and the economy. running basically. I mean beyond. obviously. it has other roles but it should. generally be it should not be involved. in every aspect of Americans lives as it. is now. M. >> someone said to me the other day, they. were talking about all the various. regulatory uh stuff and they're like, I.

could build a shed in my I I could I. tried to build a shed in my backyard and. the government showed up and told me I. couldn't because it didn't meet all of. these various requirements. And yet. and yet and yet our government just gets. away with. >> Did he build the shed anyway? >> No. >> Oh, too bad. >> Yeah, they live in the wrong state. It's. one of those things like Mike Row is is. always lamenting that we've gotten into. this weird safety culture. Now, I mean, yes, if you've applied for a permit and. it's been denied, then you really are. taking a risk of getting fined by your.

locals if you build it anyway. So, I I. take the point, but. >> do you ever find yourself standing at. the stop sign when you're trying to. cross and no one's coming or red light, no one, and you don't go and you're. like, >> "What am I doing?". >> I committed jaywalker. So, I am I find. myself I'm like, "What am I doing?" No. Walk, walk. You're fine. Like, we've. gotten too compliant. I think we've. gotten too compliant. >> No, there's no doubt about it. I mean, I'm getting heranged by people not.

wearing a mask outside in the rain. during CO or walking in the park with my. dogs. You know, >> people need to be individually. responsible for their own actions, individually responsible for the lives, the safety of their children and their. families. >> and need to toughen up obviously and you. can't look to the state to to protect. you. One, that's very clear. The state. is not going to protect you. >> Y. >> as a dog owner, you're not going to call. the cops if you have someone outside. your house, shoot your dog, and probably. shoot you. If I open the door and my dog.

ran out there, they'd be terrified for a. good 30 seconds until he licked them and. g snuggled them and gave him his paws. >> 100%. But there's a good chance they. might shoot him on the way over. >> Yeah, right. >> It's terrible. No, a small Yes. a small. federal government. I hope it's. achievable as you said earlier. Um maybe. the only option is it has to emulate. >> Yeah. Well, all right. I want to I want. to talk about another big piece of news. which is Carmemelllo Anthony. This is a.

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>> This is Uncle Buck, as Tucker told us. Everyone in the Tucker branch of the. family loves Uncle Buck. I am reliably. informed. Um, okay. So, this case, Carmemelllo Anthony, is very disturbing. And here is what we know as of this. hour. Uh, okay. The defense asked for manslaughter to be. added as a possible new charge in the. charging documents. The judge, John. Roach Jr., ruled on Tuesday that the.

jury may indeed consider it along with. murder. That's very, very good for the. defense because this guy looks I mean, unless some massive jury nullification. happens, there's going to be a. conviction here. The the proof was. overwhelming there. The defense was. pathetic. And if they get the. manslaughter charge, that's very good. because at least then you got a chance. of like heartstrings of the jury. The. defendant is only 17 at the time he. commits the crime. He does does not have. a criminal history. He doesn't seem to.

have been in trouble with the law prior. to this by any reports. What What makes you so callous? You stab. a knife into a 17-year-old boy's heart. who taps you to say you have to leave. his tent is something we're going to. have to deal with here. But it is very. possible that they'll go for the. manslaughter charge. Here is what we. heard in the final arguments. Uh the. defense and the closing argument. The guy's name is Mike Howard. representing him. He's not legal aid. By.

the way, there are some reports online. because people produced a GoFundMe for. him. >> that had 600 to $900,000 in it. And. everyone online, a lot of people are out. outraged saying he wound up with a. public defender. What did he do with the. money? because they were at this. mansion, he and his parents and his. family for the past year pending this. case. Uh, and it turns out they were renting. that place. They did use some of that. money, but they are paying this lawyer. He used to be legal aid, but now he's in.

private practice. He's not impressive. I'm sorry, Mike Howard, you're not. Uh, began his closing argument today and. ended it as well. While the jury has the. case, saying Austin Metaf, he's the the. dead boy, he's the victim, had no legal. right to use force to eject Carmelo. Anthony from that tent. He had the right. to ask him to leave, but he didn't have. any legal right to use force. Of course, this ignores the fact that any. responsive force has to be proportionate. to the to the force that was used on. you. Had Carmemelllo Anthony pushed.

Austin Metaf back, we wouldn't be here. >> Yes. Perfectly justifiable. >> Yeah. You you you may not respond to a. push with a stab wound to the heart. The. government wants to make this case about. Melo could have just left. I'm sure he. wishes he did. We all do. Uh he mentions. that Mechaf's twin brother, Hunter, had. confronted Anthony allegedly shortly. before the stabbing despite testimony. that did not show any evidence of that. So, he's just throwing random madeup. facts in into his closing. Melo had an.

absolute right to defend himself. He. said, "If you wait until it's too late. to defend yourself, it's meaningless.". Again, that's not the law, and this is. not going to be consistent with what the. jury gets charged on proportionate. responses when it comes to physicality. He questioned whether all witnesses who. testified at the trial were truthful. Um, Metaf's family friend, who was. present in the audience, was visibly. upset during Howard's uh closing, shaking her head, mouththing, "What is.

this?" as Michael Howard repeated. several falsehoods. Carmemelllo Anthony. watched his lawyer intently as he spoke. on behalf of his client. Um, let's see. He said, oh, he was making a big deal of. the fact that Carmemelllo Anthony did. not run after he stabbed Austin Metaf, saying he stayed there crying. He was. upset. That's not exactly escaping like. the guilty do. He had every opportunity. to go right out that exit. We heard. about his emotions. Every single person. who saw him said he was crying. What did.

he say? He said he's not going to die. It's clear he thought he stabbed him in. a place that Austin was not going to. die. Uh he claimed that that Austin um. the the victim reportedly said to. Carmelo, according to a witness, "If you. don't move, I'll beat your ass." Again, okay, there's that's not what the. overwhelming testimony was here. And he. says, "As much as we may not like it, even even a 17-year-old kid can legally.

have a 5 and a half inch knife. Even in. a high school stadium, it's a violation. of policy, but not a crime." Texas law. does not require that you wait until you. get hit to response to respond. Ask. yourself, has the government ruled out. reasonable doubt when you put yourself. in Melo's shoes under that tent? So, that's where it's going. Um, here's one. more. We know it was raining. Um, the. Texas weather's crazy. We know it's easy. to think, "Boy, I better get out of this.

rain." In other words, he wasn't being. intentionally provocative going into. their tent. He just wanted to get out of. the rain. Um, he said, "You have to put. yourself in his shoes. You start under. the tent. You want to get out of the. rain." Sure enough, one of the people at. the other school says, "Yeah, come on. over." He claims he was invited by one. person. Then all of a sudden, Hunter. Metclaf or CF or Austin say, "Who are. you? You all need to leave. These guys. are much bigger than you. Do you turn. your back and walk away and take a. chance that these teenage boys with. their raging hormones might come after. you? Austin and Hunter had the right to.

tell Melo to leave, but they did not. have the right to use deadly force to. make him leave. This is what he's trying. to spin. Melo had an absolute right to. defend himself against that. How do you. know in a split second of chaos when. it's too late? If you wait too late to. defend yourself, self-defense is. meaningless. And once again suggesting. he didn't know he he stabbed him in the. heart. Buckley, >> this is I mean it's tough to swallow. >> It's tough to swallow and it's such a. horrible tragedy for Austin and Hunter. Medaf and their family. Uh I will say.

from what I know of this case, I have. followed it perily but and I'm not a. lawyer but it is just sad. It's a sad. indictment of race relations in this. country which have gotten so much worse. in my lifetime uh with huge thanks to. Barack Obama of course but also to the. national media you accepted. Um it's you. know most Americans live in harmony and. treat each other well and it's just so. dispiriting when all these racehost.

huers come these predators come out of. the woodwork. Uh, I have seen a lot of. his quote supporters, Camelo Anthony. supporters in the crowd saying. despicable things. Um, like, you know, we come where we come from, we we killed. the crackers and like outrageous racial. stuff. >> We played one yesterday of a black woman. down there saying, "We protect ours.". >> Yeah. It's it's rolin of OJ Simpson. completely and all the other cases that. have come since that have been made. famous um by people who have uh an.

interest in making it famous but it's. not American public's interest. It's a. great country, great people and people. need to be each case needs to be dealt. with individually and uh I hope that I. hope there will be some justice here. Sounds like manslaughter is a pretty. reasonable conclusion to what. >> I don't know. I think it should be a. murder conclusion, a murder conviction. Absolutely. I mean like there there has. to be a conviction on something. So. >> 100%. >> But it this was murder. This was murder. He brought the knife into the tent. He.

provoked Austin Metaf to lay hands on. him. He without warning stuck a knife in. Austin's heart. He knew full well what. that would lead to. This wasn't crime of. passion. He created it. I mean you I if. I were the prosecutor, I could make a. good argument. This was premeditated. from before he walked into the tent that. he brought a knife to a track meet. He. took the weapon with him into an. opposing team's tent where he knew he. shouldn't have been. It's a pro a. provocative move. He then antagonized.

this kid, Austin Metaf, and encouraged. him to do something aggressive toward. him. I believe I think that this kid was. planning all along to stab him. I mean, why else would he have been reaching. into the bag when he was like, "Go. ahead. Go ahead. Lay hands on me." I. just think I think this was premeditated. and I think it was murder. So, I hope. they find that. >> I'm with I'm with you completely. I. misspoke when I said seems like. manslaughter would be the most likely. outcome. It seems like just absolutely.

murder. >> It's got to be the bare the bare. minimum. My producers are telling me. that the the Black Panthers are there. now. Got pictures of that. Yeah. Let's. see. >> They've come from the polling booths. >> Here they are. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. I'm. sure that'll help. Terrific. He's like, what are we gonna see? Like Black. Panther riots. When we get a guilty. verdict, honestly, if we don't get a. guilty verdict there, you could see you. could see massive protests the other. way. There's just this case is open and. shut. There is no reasonable doubt. And. I would tell you if I saw anything that. they could really exploit there there.

isn't. There wasn't. You know, you just. said something interesting that I wanted. to ask you about the race relations. having been absolutely crushed in this. country by Barack Obama. And it reminded. me of something you said when you were. on Tucker show about how this is one of. the reasons you became so disappointed. and a politician you had previously. admired, John McCain. >> Yes. >> Because he would not take the case like. make the case about Barack Obama. >> And for that matter, Mitt Romney didn't. make the case. And Mitt Romney even.

worse than McCain because I mean McCain. had a lot of fodder on this front with. Reverend Wright and all that too, but. he'd been governing for four years and. Mitt Romney didn't go there. But Barack. Obama, the truth is, well, he was. supposed to be our first like black. president. We're going to settle all the. race relations. Was the most divisive. president when it comes to the issue of. race that we've had in modern times. And. you're right, no, no Republican would. make the case against them because they. were scared. They they were a word I. don't say on this show that begins with.

P. [laughter]. >> Feline. >> like like a kitty cat. >> Yes, they were. No, he interjected. himself multiple times in inter Barack. Obama did. First the Skip Gates uh. nonsense at Harvard when Skip Gates had. been, >> you know, stopped by the police breaking. into his. >> having no key trying to get into his. house and Barack Obama and the media. made it an enormous thing. And then when. Trayvon Martin, who clearly had uh. attacked that fellow and was trying to. kill him, and then that guy defended.

himself. >> Zimmerman. >> Zimmerman. Exactly. Um and inter. injected race into it when it when it. clearly was not a racial case. They were. neither one of them were white anyway. So it didn't really fit the standard for. them. But uh and they. >> and we'd never seen that before. Presidents didn't normally weigh in on. legal cases at all. Never mind on the. race of the parties and how that spoke. to us as a country. Meanwhile, he's. like, "If I had a son, he'd look like. Trayvon." What. >> exact I was just going to say that. But.

he Yes. That they never interjected. themselves in in a case like that. But. Barack Obama at the same time he he. injected himself in the case then took. enormous credit for being like fair and. balanced and not involved, which he did. on several other fronts. And then he. came up with the most annoying phrase. ever from someone who's not an American. who doesn't. doesn't display um the priorities of a. lot of Americans and said that's just. not who we are. >> Well, we don't need the government. telling us we don't need an elected.

politician telling us who we are. The. American public know who. >> American people know exactly who they. are. They don't need someone else. telling them that. some especially. someone who's so unimpressive and and so. hostile towards his own citizens as. Barack Obama was and white people. especially. >> The people who love Barack Obama to this. day say it was a scandal-free. administration. There were no scandals. It's like that's not how we experienced. it at all. >> They're still repeating that line. Even. though I think it's been conclusively.

proven that he engaged in obvious. treason. He undermined the American. people, the American government, the. American president. dropped a drone on. an American citizen. >> Yes, exactly. Oh, extra constitutional. actions all around. >> Seized one sixth of the US economy. economy without majority support to ram. Obamacare down our throats. Something. from which the American public still has. not recovered. >> Oh yes. >> And boasted about it. >> Elections have consequences. >> You know, you and your doctor and. your life. >> 100%.

>> And absolutely no accountability for it. like the left still lionizes him as. though he were a true unifier. It's. just, you know, it's not true. So, I. loved what you said. I also got a big. kick out of the fact that you what you. one of the things you hated about John. McCain was that he took on big tobacco. Go on. As somebody who worked for the. law firm that represented R.J. Reynolds, >> go on. [laughter]. >> I can't believe we didn't meet each. other back then. I wor I worked on that. case as a lowly PR guy in Washington.

>> Oh, >> yeah. on the for a number of years and I. remember thinking you're attacking an. American institution which is tobacco. and I also thought it was so. hypocritical one it's people had known. for a generation that tobacco and. smoking isn't necessarily good for you. okay you have a choice drinking is not. good for you have a choice to buy booze. >> now of course you're encouraged to buy. weed and pharmaceuticals and anything. else you want but uh it had also had an. essential part in the American story. economically and at the same time the.

federal government and every state in. the country essentially had taken it. upon themselves to invest their public. employee funds, their retirement funds. in tobacco at the same time and they. were attacking tobacco companies. It was. uh it was repellent and it was a huge. money grab and enriched [clears throat]. a lot of lawyers. I hope it enriched you. if you worked on it. >> Uh. >> I mean I guess yeah by extension I I got. I got a salary but I actually never felt. embarrassed about that work. I felt like. why wouldn't we defend R.J. Reynolds? I.

mean, the warnings were actually. everybody knew Smokey was bad for you. >> Sense. God bless you for working for. RJR. >> I mean, it was the firm, but it was very. good business and it like they were all. sued that we we pretended for a lot of. years that nobody had any idea smoking. was bad for you. It's like, okay, in the. very beginning that was true. >> But more recent history, like how did. you not know that? [laughter]. >> It's just where it's kind of started a. trend, right? Where it's like nobody. takes accountability for their own bad. behavior. Nobody takes responsibility.

for their own decisionmaking. I don't. know. It's like we didn't used to be. this way. >> There's literally no such thing as an. accident in America in 2026. Someone is. responsible. Someone other than you was. responsible for what you do. I'm a big. motorcyclist. I fly airplanes. >> Of course you do. >> No, but I I've I've hated I hate getting. in my car and having that that noise go. off with your seatelt. It's my choice. and if I want to wear a seat belt or. not. I actually mostly do, but I.

generally just want to kill some member. of Congress when I hear this. And I've. always wondered, I've always wondered as. I'm, you know, holding a coffee cup and. sometimes a cigarette when I'm driving. and I'm herang to put my seatelt on and. I fiddle around trying to put it on as. I'm driving and I think, how many people. have gotten in a head-on collision? >> Yes. just so they could turn that noise. off and put their seatelt on. >> And now soon your car is going to be. spying on you with like a camera and. it's going to know everything you're. doing and thinking and saying. I don't. know who they're going to be reporting.

it to. Who's got the time to surf. through that data? [laughter]. >> There's going to be a huge argument in. formally owned cars from before 2021. >> Yeah, I know. I don't think we're going. to trade ours in. I think we're going to. be like driving the 300,000 mile car. >> I just did 100,000 miles in my six-year. car. I love it. Never giving it up. >> Like I'm always on camera. I don't want. to be on camera everywhere, you know? It's like it's hard enough to keep up. the mascara and the lip gloss during, you know, 12 to2 Buckley. I don't think. I can do it in my free time.

>> Plus, you only have to investigate chat. GPT for like 30 seconds to realize that. it's not actually uh accurate at all. times. We're going to seed personal. responsibility to a computer. >> Now, we're doing it at a national level. That's why we're our children won't be. able to have jobs. Well, thankfully. yours will be with you and the dogs down. south. Mine, um, I think we'll probably. be at the Jersey Shore. Um, God help me. At least you don't have to pump your own. gas. [laughter].

>> This has been so fun. >> I loved having you. Please come back. anytime. >> I would love to. Thank you so much. >> Oh, it's so so much fun. >> Buckley Carlson, everybody. We're so. lucky to have him. Uh, all right. Now, tomorrow we're going to be bringing back. Mark Halperin because there will be some. results from several votes that have. being that have been taken today. And. we'll get the latest [music] on. California as well. Don't miss that.