Scott Pelley's Smug Bias, and Why Trump Was Right to Leave NBC Interview, & Entrepreneur Mike Repole

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show and happy Monday. where over the weekend all outstanding. hope that Spencer Prep might make the. runoff in LA for this mayor race slipped. away. Literally unbelievable. Sure, Jan. Sure. Nia Ramen came from third place and in. all these outstanding jurisdictions, not. only beat the Republican, which okay, you could say see that potentially, but. beat Karen Bass, too. like not only did. the Democrat come from behind, but this. Democrat. Okay. Sure. Uh coming in in.

just a bit, we'll we'll we'll talk about. it a little bit more. Uh and then in our. second hour, we're going to bring on a. first- time guest with an incredible. story. His name is Mike Rapolei. And not. only this is where Let me just quickly. tell you why I wanted to talk to this. guy. Do you guys remember of the. Kentucky Derby um when the Golden What's. his name? won Tempo, I always want to. call him Golden Dome. I don't know why. Golden Tempo won. And um he came from.

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jockey was caught on camera and you you. expect him to be like, "Good try. Nice. job." No, he was like, "You lost to your. brother. your brothers, that's that's. what matters. You know, he was like this. sweetheart with the thick New York. accent and even though he had just. suffered this big loss at the Derby and. his horse was a favorite, he was he had. such the right messaging when he talked. to his horse's jockey and like he. understood this was like a moment of. unity for the country and this family. and like I was so impressed by the guy.

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producer Nick Bilton in a heated staff. meeting the day prior. Before he did. that, Barry. Weiss, who's she calls herself. editor-inchief of CBS News, had fired. the top three women at well top three of. the top women at 60 Minutes. Um, Cheryl. Alonsy, another gal whose name I can. never remember, and uh, the woman who.

Oh, Cecilia Vega, that was her name. And. also the new and not that long in charge. editor uh or um, executive producer. She. had fired all three of them. And the. staff of 60 Minutes was reeling. And I. get it that that would be jarring. because very rarely do people get fired. at these network positions and 60. Minutes even less so. Uh but they were. fired and Scott Pelly's position was. everybody was reeling. I was like the.

senior most person and so I felt the. need to confront the brand new editor or. executive producer who none of us knew. at all. This guy who was dropped on us. out of um the New York Times documentary. unit. like who who are you? This guy. Blinton. Um so he wasn't happy and he. went he got up in this guy's grill. Builtin I should say and it didn't go. well. Scott P tried to play the tough. guy. Sure. Sure Scott. Um he was look up.

the de I'm going to look I've been. calling him a pri. just for kicks. I looked up that de. definition. You tell me. I mean I think. I gotta be honest. Scott Kelly is the. walking definition of that word. Here's. the definition. A self-righteous, annoying person who demands rigid. conformity to rules and propriety. They. often look down on others, acting as. though they are morally superior and. fussing endlessly over trivial formal.

details while ignoring the feelings of. those around them. Okay, [laughter] I. mean that's that's his picture should be. there. There's no love between us and Scott P. I said last week, I don't think this is. well handled and I stand by that. But. like today's story is about Scott P. because he decided to sit down with our. friend Lulu Garcia Navaro over at the. New York Times the Daily Show and it was. his first interview. It was posted.

online yesterday. It was a lot and we're. going to go through some of it. First, here is how. Now, Scott has been at 60. and CBS for 37 years. Um, that's a long. time. He spent his career there. Quite. clearly, he feels very connected to the. organization. Don't begrudge him one. second of that. Um, but there there are. some dramatics going on in this. interview like this. Take a listen to. how he described his emotional state. right now. >> I want to actually start by just asking.

you how you're feeling in this moment. Well, if we want to talk about it at an. emotional level, the best thing that I. can imagine in terms of describing it is. that it's it's like your spouse was. murdered. Um, >> whoa. >> There's some moments of the day I feel. fine. There are some moments of the day. that um I just frankly uh fall apart uh. when I least expect it. But I I do want.

to be clear uh that I do not. feel sorry for me. I don't care about. me. I'm fine. I care about these people that I left. behind. Uh the people who are still. trapped there. >> Okay. So, first of all, I don't believe. that he doesn't care about me the way he. says it. I don't care about You do care. about yourself. Like let's be honest, you are so.

self-important. You are at the. forefought of everything you do. And we. need only to watch you and listen to you. to know that. So whatever this is him. cloaking himself in this sort of se. self-righteousness. He's the avenger. He's there for Sharon. What's her name? And the other gal, Cecilia. Okay. Um he's like they they. fired onethird of our staff or. something. It's like I think there's. only six correspondents. So it's like I.

don't they fired two. So I guess the. math tracks but like sounds kind of. dramatic. You don't have that many. people. Um so he he there compares his. firing to his wife being murdered. Now. I'm just I ask you just sit for one. second please. I forgive me but like. with the unpleasant thought of that. actually happening in your life. Do you. think you'd be like it would, you know, some days I was fine. I was I was fine. Um but other days I fell apart. And who.

like what could happen to you in your. professional life? And I've had some. negative things happen to me that would. compare to the murder of your. I'm like this is not the right analogy. This is this is not where we should have. gone, Scott. But like it does show you. how important he thinks 60 Minutes is. CBS News is. And honestly, one of my. overall takeaways of this whole. interview was how out of touch he is.

Um, okay. But he did not stop there when. it comes to the murder comparisons. Watch. >> That's a family. at 60 Minutes. My former boss and former producer, Bill. Owens, [snorts]. saved my life. in a firefight. in Iraq. [snorts].

So, Lulu, these bonds are pretty tight. And when somebody. wipes out, murders. a large number of your family members. People are hurt and shocked in disbelief. and just desperate for some explanation.

>> Okay, so Bill Owens, that's that is a. compelling story. Bill Owens was the. executive producer of 60, but he stepped. down last year. He wasn't there and he's. not involved in all this. And so I'm. sure you feel grateful to him, but you. know, he's not there and he's not. involved. So I'm not sure what this is. about. I also have to be honest. It's it's not. a family. It's a news organization. And. Barry was brought in to revamp it. and.

some revamping is going to trample. across 60 Minutes, Scott, because of you. and Sharon and Leslie and people like. you. I'm like, no one can step in to. your family and rejigger it. No one can. step in and say there are some weak. members of the family who are going to. have to go because people like the. family less than they could. This is a. news organization. That's why it was. possible for a new boss to come in and. start moving chess pieces around and.

changing the way you play the game. altogether. That's okay. It's allowed. The way he is behaving is like a child, like a petulant child. It's fine if you. feel like your family in your workplace. or you feel like you have this bond of. loyalty and so on that transforms. everything and and and and tramples any. commercial concerns trumps but it it. doesn't you need to rema retain the. knowledge that it doesn't actually.

actually it's a place of business and. business decisions are going to be made. accordingly. The entire interview shows somebody who. doesn't seem to understand that and this. is one of the reasons why I've said some. others have said before me it is not a. good idea to spend your whole career in. news it's not um it it is so much better. I think for you as the consumer of news. and for for the news people the news. rooms hire people who have had another.

life before they get into news so that. they understand what real life is like. right like the newsroom room. He talks. about it. This is this revered place. where we're all family and we're risking. our lives every day. Okay, that you have. gotten too self-important. The news is important. The First. Amendment is important, but let's be. honest, it's not brain surgery. Okay, we. we don't actually have people's lives in. our hands. We have information that's. important to them that we should give. responsibly and truthfully. But you.

don't understand, Scott P, that to the. right half of the country, we think you. left that business a long time ago. You. don't think that, but we think you left. that business a long time ago, and we. don't look at you the way you see. yourself at all. Okay, there's gonna be. more on this in in one second, but so P. then explained to Lulu why he was so. aggressive with this new guy, the show's. new executive producer, who I have to be.

honest, seems utterly clueless. How. they're making the executive producer of. 60 Minutes, a guy who's never done. television before is beyond me. It is an. insult. It is to the 60 Minutes staff. and to CBS News. What the f? He's never. done television before. What do you say? How can you put this guy in charge of 60. Minutes? Well, who did it? Barry Weiss. Barry Weiss has also never done. television before. These utter noviceses. when it comes to broadcast journalism.

are trying to say like, "How hard could. it be? I guess it's just exactly the. same as print journalism like I did at. the New York Times or at the Free. Press." It's not. It isn't. There. actually are multiple layers of doing. broadcast and communicating with an. audience visually through moving. pictures that you obviously don't. understand. And some of what Scott P. said about Barry trying to make changes. to a a cooked 60 show like it was. already in the books and it was just all.

they had to do was hit play like an hour. or two before air. did make sense. And I I give him those. points. You can't come in. I know this. just from being at at uh DLine, you. know, for a little bit and and doing. some datines like my Putin interview was. aired in the datine time slot and um I. think one other I did one other in-depth. piece that was aired in the prime time. dine spot. But my point is simply and. then I had my own 60 uh 60 Minutes type. show. uh on their Sunday night air at NBC for.

about two minutes. Didn't do very well, but my point is simply I understand like. the deadline situation. You can't mess. with it that close to air. It's not like. the live Kelly file on Fox or this show. You can't like once that it has it's on. tape. Every element has been combed. over. It's been run through legal. standards and practices. Every line has. been looked over it because to prevent. you from getting sued because these tend. to deal with heavy headier stuff. You. cannot open up the product two hours or. an hour before air and start messing.

with it. I mean, unless there's a. serious serious reason to do it. and he. was complaining that she but my takeaway. on that is it does matter whether you've. had experience in broadcasting. It does. So you cannot have both an editor and. chief over there and now an executive. producer of 60 with no television. experience. I get it. I give him that. point and I understand why the staff is. eye rolling at this guy. However, you do have to afford him some level of.

respect as a colleague who has, for. better or worse, been placed in this. position. Your new owners over at CBS, David Ellison, the son of billionaire. Larry Ellison, believes in him and. thinks he's the man for the job. So, you. can't be a total when the guy. has his first big staff meeting, no. matter how mad you are about the people. getting fired. Okay, but here in this clip, he's. explaining why he P was so aggressive. with this new executive producer. He.

talked about how the the first thing. that ticked him off was this guy gets in. front of the staff and instead of just. speaking like a human to them, like. which honestly would have been the right. thing to do, just say like, I know I. know it's been a rough week. I know. people are feeling unsteady. You know, we we fired the EP, we fired two top. correspondents. Let me tell you what we have in store, what we have in mind. You know, I can't. comment on personnel decisions, but I. can tell you that he took out his phone. and started reading something he had.

written, which is humiliating. I think it would be humiliating in most. businesses, but in a business where. we're all paid communicators, it's especially humiliating. And I mean, way to insist that that the staff. disrespect you. The thought of Roger Als. ever needing to read his little remarks. to the newsroom at Fox is a joke.

You're a leader or you're not. Or you're. not. You speak from the heart about your. leadership vision and this show you've. taken over or you don't. I mean honestly. that there is no doubt in my mind that. they recoiled when they saw they as. broadcasters saw this guy needing his. little notes on his phone to read to. them what was going on. Even if legal. has said this is the way you need to say.

X, you start off the top of your head. You speak from the heart and when you. get to the part that's dicey legally, you pick up your phone and say, "Sorry, I have to read this part." and then you. do it. Broadcasters also understand that. News. men and women also understand that this. was someone who was scared. And you know. what happens in the workplace setting. when someone who's already not respected. and not wanted projects fear, right? Well, here's Scott P on that. moment.

>> I felt that somebody had to stand up for. the broadcast. Not just the broadcast, but the people. There are people in that room who go to. war zones when they are pregnant. It is a lifethreatening. job in many instances. and um very strong bonds, very emotional. bonds are found or are developed in that.

kind of setting. Okay, it's not untrue that you develop close. bonds in the newsroom and there are. people who go to the war zones while. they're pregnant. It's not unique to 60. Minutes. It happens at CNN. It happens. at Fox. It happens across news media and. these are the journalists we respect and. we remember because bad things do happen. to them. I mean there there have been.

just look what's happening over now in. Lebanon. I mean multiple multiple. journalists are being killed by Israeli. bombs. Um and we're in Gaza as well. Some connected to the to Hamas and some. not. And um you do risk your life as a. journalist when you embed with the. troops and you put yourself in harm's. way. In fact, uh, my husband and I were. just in DC over the weekend, and we went. to Arlington National Cemetery, which is. very moving. Very moving. I'm looking at.

my phone now cuz I just want to tell you. about this um plaque that we saw when we. were walking through Arlington. It's on the ground. and it's one small. homage, which is the size of the homage. that it should be, not big, in. Arlington, to journalists. And it reads, "US correspondent, this tree grows in memory of journalists. who died while covering wars or. conflicts for the.

let's see. for the American people. Covering the. conflicts for the American people. One who finds a truth. lights a torch. One who finds a truth. lights a torch." And it goes on from. there. And it's a beautiful tree right. in the middle of our middle of Arlington. to honor the journalists who have given. their lives while covering the news. And. honestly, as much as we most people on. the right can't stand the media, there. are definitely. honest great journalists who were really.

lucky to have. And it is an important. job. It's one of the reasons why some of. us stay in it, stay with it, even though. we find it toxic and difficult and. disappointing. because it is an important job to keep. the public informed. So, I'm with him on. the sacrifices that people make. But. again, it does not insulate your newsroom from. overhaul, from tweaks, from accusations. of bias that have to be addressed. And.

if you really wanted to save those jobs, Scott P, you would try listening. You. would try listening, right? Right. I. mean, the audience knows like Barry and. I are in this negative place. Unfortunately, she attacked me. I did. not attack her. She She drew first. blood. Um, and look, I've been honest. that I don't think this is the job for. her. She has no television experience. However, she isn't wrong that 60 has. lost its way. It is biased noticeably.

toward Democrats and progressives. We. know that. I this. Most of the people. listening to this show do not need to be. convinced of that. But Scott Ply has no. clue. Barry is a liberal, but she's a. nonwoke liberal. So, she's seen enough. with with her eyes to to know how this. show and frankly the news organization.

is perceived by the other half of the. country, the side she's not on, but. she's not woke. So, she understands. where most of us are coming to it from. and she's trying at the direction of her. bosses to correct for some of that in. the programming there. And it's going. about as well as you might expect. They're accusing her. They're mad at her. because they think she's trumpifying the. newsroom, which is a joke. You can. inject more fair and balanced coverage. and make changes around the edges.

without trumpifying the newsroom. That's. a joke. you couldn't trumpify CBS or 60. if you tried. Honestly, like that would. not be possible. Literally, everybody. would quit. So, it's something that's. being done around the edges. It these. are very minor changes and they're being. treated like earthquakes. Now, there's another segment that's. looking at the changes happening at CBS, which also happen to be almost. universally pro- Israel at a time when. Israel's for the first time doesn't have.

majority support amongst the American. people. And they're objecting to that. because that's Barry's own set of biases. that she's injecting into the coverage. and it's obvious and the Ellison's. apparently share it. So, there are like. all sorts of issues about what's. happening at C CBS. However, I want to. stick on the P piece of it because. that's today's story. All right. So he. talks about people go to war. So got it. Now this however is not really how Scott. P these days is spending his day job,

right? He he's been to conflicts over. the years. I get it. What he's really. doing these days is ripping apart Moms. for Liberty. Like that's his thing now. Or giving sanctimonious graduation. speeches. Do we have that? We had it. here the other day. And I didn't play. it. You probably didn't pull it over, but my god, the the sanctimony of Scott. P when he spoke not long ago at a. graduation speech, not this year, but I. think it was last or the one before. That's what he's really doing. And the.

cluelessness is obvious as the nose on. your face to anybody who take the time. to listen. In this next clip, you will. hear him compare himself to heroes who. risk their lives for our country. Uh, Lulu did challenge P a bit on his choice. of the violent language, like the. murdering of your spouse. And P, well, here's how he answered. Watch. In that. meeting, you said Weiss was, and I'm. quoting here, murdering 60 Minutes. language that you've used here. [gasps].

Can you explain to me what you mean by. that? One of the things Nick Bilton said. in that uh ill- fated email to the staff. was that he was excited to tell I'm. paraphrasing here. He was excited to. tell the staff about the new crop of. correspondents. And when I saw that, I thought, okay, they're going to fire all of us. eventually.

>> That's the plan. He put it in writing. for all of us to see. [snorts]. And so that's why I use these admittedly. for a journalist hyperbolic terms. >> Okay, I get it. So you may be unsteady. feeling like everyone's going to get. fired, but again, you have no right to. your job. You have no right to that. position. There's no right. If you have. a contract and they fire you without. cause, you have a right to your salary. until the end of that contract term.

That's it. That's it. It's the way it goes. Every on air. person in news understands this. Um so Scott P. gets in the face of his new boss. He um. confronts him. By the way, that new boss. with zero television experience, who. nobody respected, who had to read his. little statement off of his phone. He's. reportedly making $2.3 million a year.

That's a joke. That's a joke. Um anyway, Scott P confronts him in front of the. entire staff. Um and in very dismissive. terms, like suggesting that this guy. Bilton is not going to make it. What. What the hell is his name? I mean, nobody even knows him. Builtin. Nick. Bilton. that he's not going to make it. over the long haul. And P is showing open disdain for him,

which is by any definition. insubordination. Uh, and despite all of this, P tells. Lulu he never in a million years thought. that they would fire him. Watch. >> Tell me about that meeting and and if. you were at that point going in. expecting to be fired. >> Oh gosh. Furthest thing from my mind. It. hadn't occurred to me. So, I walk in the. door. and I see Barry Weiss is sitting in.

there and I think, "This is terrific of. her. She She's come to this meeting and. and now I'm going to be able to ask her. these questions. She's going to be able. to explain what happened." But it really. didn't occur to you that. you could be fired after so many of your. colleagues had been let go, after you'd. had this con, you know, very contentious. interaction with your new boss. >> You know, some reporter I turned out to. be. Uh I just didn't connect the dots.

>> Why not? Because he thought he was untouchable. He didn't think it could ever happen to. him. And what you need to realize pretty. much in every job, but certainly in a. television job, is no one is. irreplaceable. No one. It doesn't matter who you are, how big. your star is, how how badass you were. that you are replaceable and they will. replace you and the organization will go. on. It will it's especially something.

like 60 which is about the institution. and not the individual correspondents. I. mean, I for one would love to see 60 go. back to the way it was during the Ed. Bradley, Mike Wallace years, the. murderers row 60 and not Scott Pelly's. 60. I would love to see Barry Fire, everyone there. I would. Those last. three correspondents, they're. ridiculous, too. They just issued a. statement over the weekend. Leslie. Stall, Bill Whitaker, and John Worer. Bill Whitaker was the one who. interviewed Kla Harris. Remember, when. they they edited her sound bite to make.

it look and sound better than it did. Leslie, you know, the laptop can't be. verified. And then there's this other. guy, John Worerheim, who apparently is. in sports. I don't obviously you're. you're shocked to hear. I don't know. him. Um they they issued a statement. saying they're going to stay at 60. I I. guess 60 wants them to stay. Barry wants. them to stay and they're going to stay. But this is what they say. Um. nevertheless, we have decided to stay. on. We fear that our returning might be.

construed as an endorsement of our. overlords across the street, meaning. Barry and this guy Blinton and others. That is simply categorically not the. case. Newsrooms are not supposed to be. run like dictatorships. Collaboration. and argument are the way we have always. worked at 60. And then they go on to. say, um, here's why we are staying. We. don't want to see 60 Minutes die. We've. been grieving because this whole mess.

has been has wounded and damaged the. broadcast. We want to stay and fight, try to repair and preserve our. reputation. We're staying for our teams. and all the teams. We work for you guys. The thought of abandoning you became. unbearable. And of course, we're staying. because this is home. They are staying. because they will never get another job. in television. They're not special. And. they cannot stand the thought of not. seeing themselves on camera. That's why. they're staying. It has nothing to do. with those things they said. Nothing. Nothing whatsoever. Give me a break. I.

mean, no one's ever even heard of most. of them. So, that's them trying to cloak. themselves in glory as they hold on to. their jobs and refuse to walk. Why would. you? You have a deal. Do the best you. can. Maybe keep an open mind on the. suggested changes. But here are two a. pair of sound bites I really wanted to. show you that really in my mind tell you. what you need to know. Okay, I'm going.

to tie them together. Here's the first. one. Saut seven from P. >> I was not familiar with her name. >> Uh so I did some research and discovered. those things that you just uh outlined. What concerned me was that she had zero. television experience. uh and had never managed a large global. operation like CBS News. Those were red. flags to me. But I thought, you know,

David Ellison thinks she's the right. person for the job. We are absolutely. going to welcome her, listen to her, and. uh give her the benefit of the doubt. I I mean I'm surprised that you hadn't. heard of her. [clears throat] She's a. lightning rod in journalism. >> You know, she just hadn't crossed my radar. And if. I hadn't heard of Barry Weiss at that. point in time, that probably tells you. more about me than it does her.

>> Yes, it does. Which leads me to s eight. Watch this. What was the feeling about. that particular opening salvo to the. team? >> Uhoh. She, I am told, said something to the. effect of, "Why do you think the country. thinks you're biased?". But she didn't offer any kind of a. metric. You know, what's your metric?

Why do why do you think so? Uh do you. have a poll? Is there uh market. research? What what are you talking. about? cuz we certainly didn't believe. that. >> There it is right there in a nutshell. He didn't know who Barry Weiss was. because he only operates in this. rarified airspace way above it all. He. doesn't spend time on digital media.

media or independent media. I guarantee. you he thinks that's way beneath him. Why would he familiarize himself with. the free press and this low-life Barry. Weiss irrelevant person until she became. his boss's boss? So, he had absolutely. no idea who she was. And I believe him. And he has absolutely no idea that half. the country thinks 60 Minutes has lost. its way and is incredibly biased against. right-leaning conservative or Republican.

people. No idea. So that this is why it's all part of the. same ignorance that has confused Scott P. about who this person is and why she. would come in without evidence and say. why does half the country think that. you're biased? Why do people think. you're biased? And he's offended. He. doesn't know what she's talking about. And you heard him there like explicitly.

defending the church. He had nothing to. back it up. Get out of your upper east side circles, Scott Py, and go to fly over country. Spend some time in Iowa, in Montana, in. Arkansas, in Texas. Go anywhere. go to Ohio, where people. are hurting right now, and ask them. whether 60 minutes celebrating Germany's.

crackdown on free speech uh um rights. with criminal charges is as funny as. Sharon Alonsy thought it was. Okay, go. figure out through contacting real live. Americans who don't share your politics. figure it out for yourself why Barry. came in with that knowledge, not. opinion, knowledge, and was trying to do.

you a favor by telling you this, by. saying, "I actually have been out there. I Barry is a liberal. lesbian living in California at this. point. She is not she's not of flyover. country. She's from, I think, New York. Um, she went to good schools. She went. to Colombia for college. All leftist, leftist, leftist. Okay. But she's been. out there. She She reads, she talks to. real life people. She has her finger on.

the pulse of what people want and what. they don't want when it comes to. identity politics. I mean, unfortunately, as of late, she's. apparently trying to expand the. definition to include. people who are Jewish, which I I we've. had arguments about this for years now. The answer to fighting DEI is not to put. more groups into it. So, like we're all. in there. The answer is to demolish DEI. or now they call it belonging. Note, note to parents out there, that's the. new way they're getting away with DEI in. your kids' school. Now, it's belonging. Who could be against that? Um, in any.

event, he didn't know her and he doesn't. know her information because he doesn't. care. He doesn't fratronize with people. like you and me. He thinks we're gross. He thinks we're Nazis. He thinks we're, you know, these dumb Trumpup supporting. Neanderthal. uh deplorables. So, he wouldn't have any idea that what. she's saying is true. Here's the Moms. for Liberty clip. We've shown it before, but th this is the guy now. This is the. guy who says she had no she had she had.

no support for her accusations. She had. no evidence to back up her bias. accusations. Watch. Parents send their. children to school to be educated, not. indoctrinated into ideology. >> What ideology are they being. indoctrinated into? >> Let's just say children in America. cannot read. >> They often dodged questions with talking. points. >> You're being evasive. >> 21% of students are reading. >> Being evasive. What ideology are the.

children being indoctrinated into? What. is your fear? >> I think parents fears are are realized. They're looking at these books where. sexual discussions are happening with. their children at younger and younger. ages. >> Tiffany Justice read from sexually. explicit books written for older teens, but found in a few lower schools. Most. people wouldn't want them in a lower. school. But in a tactic of outrage. politics, Moms for Liberty takes a.

kernel of truth and concludes these. examples are not rare mistakes, but a. plot to sexualize children. >> Oh my god. So infuriating. So infuriating. It's just. it's it's not like, okay, every time one. of these books winds up in a kid's. library, it's a it's a plot to sexualize. children. But there's no question that.

there is a general school of thought. that talking about inappropriate sexual. acts to children is an okay thing to do. for many academic leftists. It has to. be. Otherwise, these books wouldn't keep. showing up in K through 8 libraries in. schools. Scott P, shame on you. You You. shamed. warriors for children who are trying to. protect them against grooming, which is.

happening. Whether that's the intent or not, it's. happening. That's the relevant point. that should have been made on 60. Minutes. You. The way you groom children into wanting. to have sexual relations with adults is. you inappropriately discuss matters that. should never be in front of a child. first and then you graduate the child to. doing it. Pay attention. That's one of the main reasons why moms.

for Liberty object to this smut winding. up in our children's classrooms. It's. not Bob and Jane had a hot night. together between the sheets. This is not. what's happening. It's talking about. anal sex and exactly how to do it. It's. talking about incest these books do. Honestly, we we've gone through them. many times. Shame on this guy. And now. he has the nerve to say this Barry, she's so clueless. She came in here and. accused us of not being fair to.

conservatives and like dismissing them. She didn't need a poll, Scott. She'd. been watching you. She knows how half the country can't. stand you. Never mind Leslie stall the. laptop can't be verified when a. presidential election was on the line or. Bill Whitaker changing with his editing. team. The Kla Harris answer when an. election was on the line. This is.

this is why. it's very hard to listen to his little. lectures on the journalists who are. dying in the field. They deserved better. than what you've given them at 60. You. bismerched them with these pieces and. this so-called journalism. It's yellow. You bismerched them. So don't get all. high and mighty with me or Barry or this. guy Nick Bilton who I've never heard of. before. You shamed your newsroom. You.

did, sir. And Sharon Alonsy and Leslie. Stall, you are the ones to blame for the. 60 Minutes problems. Not Barry. Shame on this guy. I I I I'm not buying. it, you know. And I said I told you last. week, I don't think she's handling the. the tumult way well. And I think there. was definitely a better way of like not. preventing this from spilling into a. scandal that's in the news every day. But that does not excuse his terrible.

behavior. Um, I'm gonna end with just this one. Sad. 11. >> President Trump reacted to you being. fired. >> Did he? >> He went on a podcast and called you a. stiff. [laughter]. >> I'm surprised that the president of the. United States would bother to notice, but okay. Please, please tell me. I I'm. not aware of this. >> He also said you were part of this gang.

of stupid, crooked people that don't. care about your country. >> Um, stupid. I can uh I I I can take that. Um, stiff. Yeah, probably. Um, don't care about the country. [clears throat]. Uh, I've never worn the uniform. But I've been in combat for this country.

in Afghanistan. and Iraq, Kuwait, been shot at, spent nights in foxholes filling up with. water in the desert. I'm not aware that the president of the. United States has ever done any of those. things for his country. You know what, Scott P? There are a lot.

of ways to serve. as you yourself seem to be intimating. You didn't dumb the uniform. Those acts. were in service of journalism. That's why you did them. I don't. begrudge you any moment of it. How dare. you begrudge Donald Trump, the. sacrifices he's made, honestly. Like. Trump literally took a bullet for this. country. So off, Scott P. That the absolute arrogance and nerve of.

that. to suggest that because Trump didn't. wear the military uniform, he's done. nothing for America. Donald Trump could. be sitting in Bal Marl, Scotland at his. golf course enjoying what's soon to be. his 80s. He decided to come back and run again. after having been impeached. twice, bismerched, called a Nazi at every turn,

seen his sons become the most subpoenaed. presidential children in US history and. arguably the most subpoenaed civilians. in America. He [snorts]. at that at that point he ran for. reelection and and like in November of. 2024 had been nearly assassinated twice. and had actually almost taken a bullet. in the head. One did hit his head, his. ear.

He's served. You may not like him, but. he's served. And even now, I I'm not, as. you know, in favor of this war in Iran, but it's a call that our. commander-in-chief made. And while you may not like the call, his. command is to be respected. Once the call is made, you root for the. American troops as we have been here, too. He It's not an easy job. He's got a. lot to balance. He's got a lot on his. plate. How dare you? How dare you.

bismerch him because he never actually. had a military uniform on while. arandizing yourself for going over to. cover wars as a journalist. It's unbelievable. This is the same thing we're seeing with. some leftists now who are ripping on JD. Vance because he was in the Marines, but. he was a correspondent. Like he was. updating the troops and others on what. was happening in the war as opposed to. like on the front lines firing a gun. Who cares? Did you go? Most people. didn't go to Iraq. All right. Most.

people didn't go to Afghanistan. Stop. Just stop. Um, it just sums up Scott Pelly's arrogance. He wants to elevate himself over Donald. Trump, who, by the way, not only has he, you know, literally endangered himself. in in an effort to serve in a job he. doesn't have to do and doesn't need, but. he actually is the sitting. commander-in-chief. So, stop. Don't. don't try to compare yourself to him and.

don't suggest he hasn't served. It isn't. true. He's serving right now as the. commander-in-chief of the armed forces. and you know that and we're at war. Uh I just This is This is your problem, Scott P. This is your problem. Your. problem is actually not Barry Weiss. How. about starting to show some of that care. and family-like protection for the. country instead of just some staffers. over at CBS News. All right, I want to.

switch to NBC because Kristen Welker got. yet another opportunity to interview the. president. It was in Wisconsin. and it didn't go well to the point where. Trump got up and ended it early. Here. are some highlights. Watch. Do you think it's appropriate that they. have an election and five days later. they're nowhere close to picking away? >> Same local officials acknowledge they. are slow. They're urging No, they're. crooked. They're urging the votes to be. counted quickly. That's how they vote. >> You're crooked just like you're crooked.

Your press is crooked and beat the press. is crooked. >> To be fair, I'm not crooked. But let's. Well, you play right into their hands. Let's continue. >> You're either crooked or you're stupid. You play right into their hands with. this rep. You know that these elections. are rigged. Your network knows that. they're rigged and you're crooked. At. least the press is crooked and so is ABC. and CBS and CNN. But Mr. President, your. one-sided crooked network. So, let's. call it quits cuz I've had enough. Thank. you, darling. Have a good time.

>> Mr. President, let's please. I traveled. all the way to Wisconsin. >> I've sat in the rain. I know. I sat in. the rain for an hour on and off in the. rain. And I've given you enough time. You ought to straighten out your press. because you know what? country can never. be great with a dishonest. >> Okay. Um I don't blame him. I got to be. honest. I don't blame him. I I He sat there with her for quite some.

time. Reportedly, they were together for. an hour. And the problem for Kristen. Welker is she made that moment about. Kristen Welker and about the vaunted. reputation of NBC News. When you are. interviewing the president of the United. States, especially Donald Trump, you're. going to have to give him a little. You. got to give him something. It It's There's a back and forth in an. interview where you can't just keep. battering him over the head at every.

turn. Look at that exchange. He says, "Is it inappropriate, they're. talking about California, to have an. election and 5 days later they're. nowhere close to picking?" She says, "State and local officials acknowledge. they're slow. They're urging the votes. to be counted quickly." He says, "No, they're crooked. That's how they vote in. California." She says, "Now, why. wouldn't you, as the news anchor, give. him that point? I'm sorry. Why. wouldn't you say, I understand it? It. does undermine the confidence for many.".

That is such a gimme. Give him that. Give him anything. Instead, she's got to. take every point on because, you know, otherwise, you're an election denier. I've never said the 2020 election was. stolen. A lot of my audience would love. for me to say that. I can see what's. happening in California stinks to high. heaven. And you know what? I have. credibility to say that because I didn't. jump on every election denial denier. claim and so on. Kristen Welker, you're. undermining your own credibility. You. think you're boosting it for NBC by not.

giving him what everybody can see, which. is it's suspicious as hell that this. woman came out of third place, a distant. third in all the days after the actual. vote and is now going to be the second. to make it into the general election. contest over the one Republican, Spencer. Pratt, who coincidentally happens to be. be very Trumpy. Who do they think. they're kidding? It's It smells. We. don't believe it. But again, just like. Scott P, she doesn't understand. Like.

she What do you mean? Anybody who would. be questioning that would be an election. denier. So I have to come out and say, "Oh no, that's how they vote in. California." And he's getting. frustrated. They're crooked just like. you're crooked. The press is crooked. To. be fair, I'm not crooked. Would you. stop? It's again, don't make he This is. Trump's tactic. He's angry with you. Don't take the beat. You don't have to. you don't have to respond to the. personal attack in the moment just. because he makes it whatever. Or maybe. try to be playful. Maybe try to lighten.

the mood because you can see he's. getting agitated. He's got a lot on his. plate. The whole thing was very. antagonistic. And I So, if you watch the whole thing, there was a lot of this prior to the. moment we just showed you. And I. honestly by the time he got up and. walked, I didn't I didn't blame him and. I wasn't surprised. She was rude. He He. has allowed you to interview him. There's a lot going on in the country. right now. I flew all the way to. Wisconsin. Who gives a No one. cares. You got on a plane. Oh, boohoo. You have one hour of television you have. to do a week. No one cares you had to.

fly to Wisconsin. Please, Mr. President. You're so desperate to save the. interview. Why don't you treat him more. respectfully as it goes on? And there's. a way of challenging him without being. so whiny and nasty. Work on that. Try to be a little bit. more likable. try to telegraph to the. president that you don't hate him and. you don't think everything he's saying. is a bunch of nonsense. No, you wanted. to perform for your audience. You had to. perform for them, for your bosses at. NBC. That's why he got up and walked. out, which you deserved. And I'm sorry.

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was murdered in London as he walked. home, um, by a man named Vikram Digua, who is seek, who happens to have brown. skin, relevant because Henry was white, and. Vikram and his brother told the police. that Henry was the aggressor, that Henry. was attacking them based on some sort of. discriminatory grounds, that they were. sik, that he ripped off their turbons, called them names, and that he needed to. be in trouble criminally for these.

behaviors. The cops showed up, treated. every word of that like it was true, slapped cuffs on Henry, who lay dying, argued with Henry when he told them he'd. been stabbed, that he hadn't. In fact, he had been stabbed five times, including in the back of his legs as he. tried to run away from this villainous. pair. and paid the ultimate price for it, for. no one believing him, and for his white. skin. It was absolutely detestable, deplorable, and it was both the fault of. these two Digua brothers, their mother.

who helped hide the murder weapon for. them, who also was found guilty by a. jury in the UK, and of the police, who. in the moments they had to assess this. situation saw one brown man and one. white man and immediately assumed the. white man was the evildoer. This is just as evil and wrong as when. back in the day, 75, 80 years ago here. in America, we would look at a white man. and a black man and and assume the.

opposite. Just as evil and wrong. We have so overcorrected for a prior. history of racism that we are now openly. discriminating against whites and white. men in particular. And that's what this. case is, an example of it. Now, we've. just gotten a our our hands on Vicram. Digua's brother's 911 call over there. It's 999. He called 999.

after the stabbing. And the number of. lies in this phone call, I mean, I'd. love to know more because I don't know. why he called 911. at all. Uh, I can only think that they. wanted this guy arrested or they knew. that they thought he was going to live. and they thought he was going to point. the finger at them and they wanted to. sort of get the jump on looking like. you're the victim. That's my guess. But.

the number of lies in the brother's 911. call is astonishing. This is the first. we've heard it and here it is. >> Police emergency. >> Yeah. We just been attacked by someone. racially. Yeah, this natural. >> He just attacked his off. Huh? >> Sorry. We just got attacked racially by. some white person. >> You talking about verbally or. physically? >> No. No. He's physically attacked my. brother. We're seeks. We wear turban and. he's attacked my brother.

>> No, we didn't. >> Have any weapons been involved? >> No. No. No. >> No. >> Leave him one second. I'm calling the. police. I'm calling the police. Leave. him. But restrain him, please. He's. verbally attacked my brother racially. He's attacked my brother and took his. turban off. Then he's recorded it on his. phone thinking he was going to do. something. >> So I need someone here ASAP, please. >> I restraining him. I'm not letting him I. can't let him go until this gets sorted.

I'm not being racially attacked and. letting him get away with. >> He said this and he said that. What did. he specifically say? >> So he said to my brother, you're. whatever. Like obviously ra Vic did he. Vic Vic whom sorry let me just ask him. Vic Vic did he racially say anything to. you? >> Huh? >> Did he racially say anything? >> He called me a py. >> He called him a pachy. >> Okay that's what I needed to know. >> Then he's grabbed my brother's hair and. started yanking his hair. Obviously. seeks have really long hair as you may. be aware and he started pulling my.

brother's hair to which then my brothers. grabbed him as well. >> Has anyone seen any weapons? >> No, there's no weapons. Is this guy. fighting and struggling trying to get. away? >> Uh, at the minute now he's lying on the. floor. Uh, he was trying to get away. He. jumped over some bins and stuff um on. the other neighbor side. He jumped over. the bins and tried to leave through the. bin way. He's left a shoe here as well. >> So, he doesn't have any injuries. >> He's hurt his face. I think he's fallen. because when you tried to climb over the. bin, he's fell on he's fallen from the.

one side of the bins over the gates to. the other side. >> Okay. When you say an injury to his. face, can you just tell me a bit more. about that? >> Uh, yeah. Give me a second. Let me go. back to him. So, he's hurt his face from. his mouth and he's bleeding from the. mouth. >> Think he needs medical attention? >> Um, does he need medical attention? You. reckon. >> he will? Yeah, I believe. Yeah. >> He's jumped. >> Yeah. So, he's jumped over the gates. He's fallen onto a car on the other side.

and he's he's obviously very drunk as. the minute. >> Just to confirm, no one's seen any. weapons. >> No. No. >> Such a lie. Such a lie. Vicram had at. least two knives on him reportedly and. one was used to stab Henry Novak five. times in an altercation that lasted. He. stabbed him. Henry ran. He stabbed he. caught up with him as he tried to run.

away and stabbed him repeatedly in the. back of the legs as he tried to go over. that fence. That the brother was right. there. So the brother calls up and says. he's been attacked physically because of. his race and verbally because of his. race. What did he say? I don't know. Vicram, were you attacked verbally. because of your race? So what are you. doing? Why are you calling 911? He's. making things up. And then when asked. for the specifics, decided to let Vic. Vicrim do these specific lies. And. Vicram then offers that he called him. that word, which over in the UK, my.

information is it's treated like the N. word. You don't say that word, that p a. ki. Um, and so he drops this incendiary. allegation. None of which was true. None. of this this was true. Henry had been. videotaping the part of the. confrontation. Not a word of that is on. there. And in fact, what we now know is. that there was. um. a recording a recording two days after.

the murder in the police's presence. where detectives secretly recorded. um these two brothers speaking in Punjab. Punjabi to one another. And in this. discussion, Digua Vikram Digua admitted. to his brother that he had stabbed Novak. and made no mention of his earlier. allegation of racial abuse. Instead, he. agreed with the brother that he would. claim that this was self-defense. These. two brothers knew all along what had.

happened. For some reason, they decided. to confront Henry Novak, who was alone. It was 2 to1. They were the aggressors, not Henry. and they murdered him. Vikram. Digua murdered him and the the mother. wound up being an accessory after the. fact. That's what happened. There was no. racial abuse. If there was any racial. abuse, it was by the Digua brothers. against Henry, who may have been. targeted just because he was a white man. walking home alone. Uh, and that's the 911 call in which you.

hear the brother lie repeatedly over and. over and over. He lies. There were so. many lies in there. And most. specifically, there were no weapons. involved. Really? How did he get. stabbed? What happened there? Walk me. through it. He was He attacked us. racially? No, he didn't. He physically. attacked us. No, he didn't. Uh, did he racially say anything to you? No, the answer is no. But we heard a lie on. there about that slur. He grabbed my. brother's hair and pulled off his. turban. Zero evidence of that. If Henry. did any of that, it was in self-defense. as he was getting stabbed five times.

And then he tells him there are no. weapons. and he knows full well that the. brother has been stabbing Henry Novak. Now, this comes out at the same time we. learned that the police in London had an. initial plan to portray Henry as the. aggressor. The Sunday Times of London. revealed that the police force designed. to do this in an official statement that. they had put together three days after. his death, but they changed their. wording after Henry's family got word of. it and objected. An initial police.

statement they report. read as follows. It was reported two men. had been assaulted by an unknown man. Henry's the unknown man. The Digua. brothers are the two men. It has been. reported two men had been assaulted by. an unknown man. The Novak family raw. with grief became concerned that a false. narrative was being pushed about their. son and pressured the officers to drop. it. And by that point the police knew.

Adigua was a liar because this was after. they had heard the two brothers in. Punjabi talking to each other about the. fact that Vikram had stabbed Novak and. had made no mention of the earlier claim. of racial abuse. So, this has been. a lie and a cover up and a conspiracy to. further lie from the beginning and still. no accountability for those police. officers at all. That now the latest.

number I saw was that this could take. until September of 2027. for the cops to get back to us with. whether there's going to be discipline. Uh, it's an outrage. Everyone in the UK. is outraged. America has taken notice of. this. It's all over the social media. accounts now. People understand how. wrong this is and that's not going to. get it done. A year from now is. insufficient. We'll stay on it in the. meantime. Then I want to tell you what's happened. in the Carmelo Anthony case where it's. not going well for team defense at all.

They had a rare Saturday court session. in which they had multiple witnesses. come forward. The prosecution ultimately. would rest on Saturday after calling 21. witnesses. 21. Um, the most emotional over the weekend. was the chief medical examiner, Dr. Elizabeth Ventura, who warned that it. was going to be graphic testimony and. poor Austin Metaf's family got up and. left the room. Just a quick line for. those of you not familiar with the case. Austin Metaf, 17, was at a track meet.

where he was participating. His twin. brother, Hunter, was there, too. Uh. Carmemelllo Anthony from a neighboring. school, also 17, went into Austin Metaf's team tent where. the track athletes would hang and their. fans would hang, some of whom, and. wouldn't leave. Carmemelllo didn't go to. their school. There was no reason for. him to be in their tent. He was asked, apparently by several people to leave. He didn't. And then Carmemelllo Anthony, who's black, took out a knife and.

stabbed Austin Metaf, who had apparently. placed hands on Carmelo in some way. that's reportedly described by many as. not aggressive. In fact, one guy said, "I was sitting right next to Carmelo. when Austin, at Carmelo's urging, did. put his hands on Carmelo saying, "You've. got to leave." And he said the push was. so gentle, Carmemelllo didn't even bump. into me and I was next to him. So this. was not some shove something aggressive. Carmemella kept saying, "Make me. Make.

me leave. Make me." And Austin placed. hands on him and the response was. instantaneous. He was stabbed in the. heart. The medical examiner testified. that the wound was gaping. 2 and 1/2 in in length and quote not. survivable. The prosecutor showed four. autopsy photos to the jury. Several. jurors appeared emotional, covering. their mouths in horror. Hunter held his twin in his arms as he.

lay dying. The witness accounts of the incident. have been almost identical, but all in. favor of Austin's version, or I guess. Hunter's version to be fair. Austin is. no longer here. 18-year-old Eddie Para, a teammate of Austin's at Memorial High. School, took the stand. He was in the. tent. Carmemelllo was there. I dabbed. him up, Par said. I think he just means. like there was a greeting of some sort. I don't know what dabbed him up means. I. mean, dabbing is like the the arm.

motion. In any event, uh he says. he was asked who he noticed in the tent. Carmemella was there. Um he was asked if. he thought it was weird that Anthony was. in the tent. Yes, because teams are. supposed to be at their own tent. uh he. broke down on the stand when describing. the sta the stabbing, saying he noticed. blood and a hole in Austin's chest and. that Austin started screaming. The prosecutor asked Par if the case was. about race or self-defense and Para said.

no. He was then asked who was in the. wrong that day. He responded Carmelo. One team witness disputed the claims of. self-defense being raised by Carmelo an. uh Anthony. He's not being identified because he's. underage. But he said he did not believe. this was a stabbing. That was in. self-defense. That was lethal force. against non-lethal force. He said when. the prosecution arrested, the defense. moved for a directed verdict, which is a. matter of course for these cases. You. say the prosecution hasn't met its.

burden. Please direct the the verdict my. way right now. The judge says not no in. 99.99% of those cases, as happened here. as well, and they certainly have made. their burden. Then the defense began. presenting its case. They called. Centennial High School track coach Adam. Lynwood to the stand. He said Anony's. teammates nominated nominated him to be. captain trying to paint him as a choir. boy. That athletes often go into other. teams tents to mingle. Please. The prosecutor asked, "Is there. any reason an athlete should have a.

knife at a trackme?" This is on cross. Lynwood replied, "No." Anony's defense. team argued he acted in self-defense. uh. point out that that uh this town had no. policy barring athletes from going into. other teams tents, but of course there's. testimony now that this was the standard. practice not to. Um just FYI, there were multiple. witnesses on um Friday and multiple more. on Saturday. And the six teens who were.

on the stand on Friday, four of them were black, all testified. on behalf of Austin Medaf because. Carmelo Anony's family and their. spokespeople have tried to make this a. racial thing. There's zero evidence race. had anything whatsoever to do with it. Nothing. Nothing has been submitted by. anybody. Uh and four of the teens who. testified that this was Carmelo's fault. and not in self-defense were black. don't know what percentage of the ones.

who testified on Saturday, if any, uh. were black, but they're all telling the. same story. Uh that Carmemelllo was not. known or wanted under the Memorial High. School tent because he didn't go there. That multiple kids asked him to leave. and he refused. That Austin Metaf took. the lead, something that kids say was. normal for him. Um that Carmemelllo. challenged Austin to a fist fight. That's actually the first time we've. heard that claim. That was one witness. who said that that Austin responded,

"I'm not going to fight you at a track. meet, bro." And when when asked. uh let's see, by the defense attorney, "Did Austin grab hold of Carmelo?" Teen. number four said he didn't get the. chance to. He was already stabbed. Teen. six described watching the verbal back. and forth between Austin and Carmelo. while Carmelo had his hands in his. backpack and claimed he had something in. his bag. The vein in his arm was. visible, said teenager number six. It. looked like he was grabbing something.

And then there's this from some of the. stirring supporters outside of the. courthouse. um. or and beyond. This was I think at a. turn was this at a turning point event s. um or just a turning point table near. the proceeding. I'm not sure exactly. where this comment was made. Oh, it was to a Turning Point. correspondent outside of the court. Listen to this nonsense. S. >> If evidence does come out that Carmelo.

was not in fact fighting for his life. when he stabbed and killed Austin Metaf, do you think that the black community. will accept that? >> If if evidence shows that he did not, no. We going to stand by ours. regardless. They stand by theirs. >> We going to stand by ours regardless. I'm a mother first. I'm a black mother. Let me put that on there. I'm an. African-American mother. So I have to I. have to put away my color first and step. into the motherhood. Nobody wants to see. their child slain. So I so I I I I do.

want to send prayers to Austin Austin. Medaf their their family. But at the end. of the day I got to think like okay what. did you do to them or whatever to cause. this to happen the reaction. We got to. start taking accountability for our kids. cuz at then again if my kid that's why I. said catch 22. My kid was Carmelo and I. feel like his back was up against the. wall. I'm going tell you straight up, better mind than yours. Better mind than. yours. So either way it go, everybody. loses. >> Unbelievable. I mean, first of all, that.

made no sense. If we're going to start. taking accountability for our kids, that. means Carmelo should own up to what he. did like he did on the spot. I'm not. alleged I did it and he should pay the. price for it. I'm sorry for Carmelo. Anthony and his family, but he should. spend the rest of his life in prison. Sorry. That's what needs to happen here. He He took a man's life in cold blood. for no reason. Absolutely no reason. The. kid seems like a sociopath. and we we're going to protect ours.

really. That's that's what some of the. prospective jurors were saying that got. them bounced. And then you had some. faction out there saying it was racist. to bounce them. That somehow the. prosecution should be fine putting on. black jurors who were like, "I would. never vote against one of ours." Oh, okay. This is an absurd attitude. She's a. racist. That's what she is. She's a. raging racist. They come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. And it's disturbing.

that if she's some sort of. representative of the community down. there in Frisco, Texas, God help the. wheels of justice if somebody like this, black or white, would ever wind up on. this jury. Uh, it's not going well for the defense. and I predict that Carmemelllo Anthony. will be found guilty and this woman and. others who have that kind of attitude. will claim racism and we will cover it. for a day and then we will promptly move. on with our lives while Carmelo Anthony.

spends the rest of his life in prison. That's the way it works here. I hope it. was worth it. Feel like a tough guy in. the moment. robbed Dustin Metaf of his entire life, his twin brother, of his brother's. companionship, his poor parents, who now. will spend every anniversary and. Christmas and birthday wondering what. might have been. It's the callousness. with which some people talk about this, the cavalier nature of we got to stand. by ours. What are you talking about?

What if what if that yours does this. again? What if the victim happens to be. black? Would that would that play on. your heartstrings at all? This is. there's an insane person there. In any event, I'm heartened by the fact. that the trial is not going well for the. defense. No one's buying this. claim of self-defense. There's no been. no evidence of it. In fact, just as we. were we came to air, my team just sent. me this update there. This happened. This is the defense is obviously. grasping at straws. They um per.

independent journalist Brianna Mel who's. reporting from inside the courthouse, the defense witness took the stand. He's. a teen will not be identified. According. to prosecutors, this teen told police. that Carmelo Anthony was surrounded. There's a videotape of it, people. It's. not very good. Apparently, it's pretty. grainy, but you can see bodies. You can. see where people were. And prosecutors. replayed the video of the stabbing. Um, this must have been on Cross, obviously, because the prosecution is arrested. We're in the middle of the defense case. now. The teen admitted he actually. couldn't tell if they had surrounded.

Carmelo from the footage. They hadn't. They hadn't. There's been multiple. eyewitnesses to say no. The teen earlier. said that they ganged up on him. Now the. teen says he doesn't want to use the. term surrounded to describe the scene, right? Because the videotaped evidence. belies it. So yeah, not going well for. team defense. And that is a good thing. because this defendant happened to admit. it on the spot. I'm not alleged. I did. it. And he doesn't seem particularly.

sorry. There's been no expression of. remorse whatsoever. So, he's a threat not only obviously in. this case to Austin Metaf whose life he. took, but to society. And what do we do. with people like that? We lock them up. We lock them up. It's what should happen. to him in my view. Up next, Mike Ripley. is here on his fascinating life story, the Derby loss. what happened just.

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Now, we turn to the world of horse. racing with a man who caught our. attention following Golden Tempo's. stunning victory in the Kentucky Derby. last month. Mike Rapolei is a serial. entrepreneur and owner of Rapolei. Stable, which has more than 300 raceh. horses. His horse Renegade was all the. buzz at the Derby. It was the favorite, but it came in second notwithstanding a. great race to Golden Tempo at the. Kentucky Derby that day, who came from.

behind and blew everybody away. And uh. Renegade and Golden Tempo back in action. over the weekend for the Belmont Stakes. We'll get to that in a second. But it. was Mike Rapolei's reaction to his horse. losing the Kentucky Derby that made me. fall in love with him from afar. His. horse, the favorite, had just lost. That's a disappointing moment for any. owner. His jockey, who also was very. well respected and expected to win, came.

over to him. Did he berate the jockey? Did he say, "How did you lose that race? We're the favorites. What do you mean? It was your fault. No. No. Because you. see that jockey happened to be brothers. with the jockey who was on Golden Tempo, the winner. Both brothers coming in one. and two. And when they crossed the. finish line, they held hands together. Such a sweet moment. But you'd think. that Mike Rapoli is the owner of.

Renegade, the horse is the favorite that. didn't actually manage to win that one, might have been in a little bit in a bad. mood that day or in that moment. And. instead, when his jockey, again, the. losing brother that day, came back to. speak to him, this is what happened. >> Are you kidding me? you. you, bro. All right.

I'm serious. That's why you're. the best in the country. That's why. you're the best runner in the country. You're the best. You're a. You are animal. If you're ever. going to lose, release your. brother. Family, okay? All right. Let's. go beat him up later. I'm so proud of you. That was a. unbelievable. you.

got hit right away. Right away. You did everything right. Unfucking believable. I love you. >> I love that so much. It's just an. example in great sportsmanship, in. understanding what matters, in kindness, support, love. It's a little tough to. hear. I I know the audio is a little. tough, but here's what he said jokingly.

He says at the top, "F your brother, because he just lost to him." He's. hugging and kissing him, which you can't. see uh if you're just listening to our. program, but he's hugging and kissing. the jockey the whole time, saying, "You're the best rider. Uh you're the. best." He says, "If you're if you're. ever going to lose, you lose to your. brother. You lose to your brother." He. said, "You did everything right. Everything right." As he's hugging and. kissing him. So, he's making his jockey. feel better about the loss and saying, "That's what matters. Family. What. really matters here? Family. Good for.

your brother." I love that moment so. much. I needed to meet him. And he's. here right now. Mike Rapoli, welcome to. the show. >> Hey, Megan. How are you? >> I'm great. All right. Tell me. everything. How How were you able to. find that magnanimous spirit in that. moment? >> Well, I I think you have to go back a. little bit. Um, I fell in love with. horse racing 40 years ago as a kid from. Queens who used to cut out of school and. go to Aqueduck. And I think my first. entree into being an entrepreneur was.

taking money from my mom and dad and. sneaking out at the track and trying to. make an investment back because if I. didn't make my money back at the end of. the day, I'd be in big trouble. So, I've. been blessed to have so many special. horses. Been in the game for about 20. years. Uh, for people who don't know, I'm now 0 for 12 in the derby. Uh, that. two of the favorites scratched and um, you know, you fall in love with um, you. know, my trainer Todd Pletcher. I have a. great relationship with Johnny. Velasquez. They're used to Iraat RTS.

You know, that's the team. And I know I. Jose since they were 19, 18year-old. kids. They came from Puerto Rico. I have. a brother who's 15 months younger. Uh he. was a New York City cop. I'm a serial. entrepreneur. Uh my dad's a waiter from. France and my mom's a seamstress from. Italy. And you know, I'm a first. generation kid like these two. And. neither one won the derby. Um but Irad. and both Renegade obviously together. gave it their all. The horse could not. have been more courageous. Irad to be in.

that one post, get banged the way he did. at the beginning, to fight through that. adversity, to make every single possible. move correct for two minutes, and to get. to the lead in three or 4 seconds right. before the finish to get caught at the. wire. You know, it wasn't just. Micropolley, the owner. I I always have. those kids call me Uncle Mike. And you. know, I just went down there and I just, you know, I'm in my mid-50s and I saw a. a young kid who's the best jockey in the. country that hasn't won the Kentucky.

Derby. It's like that great Super Bowl. and he's won every other big race. And. all I saw there was a was a nephew that. was gave it his all. And I just looked. at him as just who he is. Just a great. kid who, you know, uh, Megan, I have a. think, dream big, uh, think big, dream. bigger philosophy. And you know, of. course, the derby is important to me, but I'm so blessed with so many dreams. I've already accomplished. I just wanted. that so bad for him. >> I can't believe you had the presence of.

mine in the moment because I I mean, I. know some people in horse racing and. like the moment right after you lose. when you're, you know, you had a shot at. winning is a very tough moment. It's. like the disappointment is pretty acute, but in that moment, you were building. him up. You were there for him. Technically, you're way above him on the. totem pole, but like there wasn't a. moment of reproach. There wasn't like, "Keep him away from me. I can't talk to. him right now." There was only you. hugging and kissing him, telling him. what a great job he did, what a badass.

he was, and like get getting it the the. sentiment exactly right, which is like, "But your brother, your brother had this. moment, and we're all happy for your. brother brings a tear to my eye." I just. do. So, you know Jose as well who was on. who was on Golden Tempo and actually did. get the W that day. >> Yeah. And and we've gone to dinner. together as they have grown up in this. game. I knew them before they're. married. They're both married. They both. have three kids under 10 years old. I'm. an older parent. I've been married to my. wife, Maria, for 26 years. But we went.

through some personal hurdles. I have a. 10-year-old daughter, Joy, Aia, which. means my joy in Italian. So, you know, I. know this feeling about having young. kids and what they've done. And you. know, again, you know, you said. something the totem pole. I mean, you. know, my grandmother passed away 5 years. ago at 90 years old. She was a 42-y old. grandmother. Uh my dad was a waiter in a. French restaurant and then he was a. banquet waiter at Lexington Marriott and. my mom was a seamstress. So, I'm pretty.

low on the totem pole, too. And I'm. always going to be Mike from Queens no. matter what I've accomplished. >> I love that attitude. you I mean the. audience knows cuz I told him at the top. of the first hour that you're worth over. $2 billion now two and a half or so. reportedly and yet you still have that. attitude. You're still a kid from. Queens. You still are the guy who grew. up in that apartment that if it was a. thousand square foot it was a lot. That's key. Wouldn't you say? I mean. that's that's one of the main reasons. you became so successful. >> You know listen you you can never forget.

uh where you came from but not only do I. know where I came from. I know where my. parents came from and I know where my. grandmother came from. And someone told. me that you grew up in the suburbs of. Saratoga. So I'm sure wherever you live. now and wherever I live now, our homes. are a little bit different than the. homes that we grew up with. And uh. >> you know I shared a room by my brother. for 28 years and I only got my own room. because he got married first. So I got. my own room for a year. And um you know. family is everything and and your. friends and you know I had 75 family and.

friends member there. you know, when. they crossed the line. I mean, I put my. head down for a good 45 seconds, >> and I could just hear people, my my. daughter crying, my wife crying, people. in agony, >> and once I put my head up, you know, it's it was about them. And they wanted. it for me more than I wanted it for. myself. And then. >> it was very easy for when I saw Ira in. that moment just to it was just about. him, man. And and you know there's no. one that loves winning more than me, Megan, but no one who accepts and learns.

from losing more than me. And I think. you can learn, you actually learn more. in losing in life than actually winning. And some people forget about that. message. >> It takes a big man though. I I have to. say again, I don't I don't know you at. all. I I don't Now I know. Now I've I've. learned that you invented came up with. smart water and vitamin water. Got it. Yes. Very familiar. But I didn't know. you at all. And then then I just thought. you were into horse racing. Then I. realized you're this very successful. entrepreneur, but I'm I was so impressed.

by it, Mike. I gotta say it's like. there's so many examples in the news and. I' I've heard your mouth, so I think I. know you're not going to be offended. So. many douchebags out there. It's like. great to see somebody who just makes you. feel good about our country, our. athletic events, you know, winning and. losing, who's projects the right. attitude to the kids. I was watching. that with my kids. I'm like, you see. that? Look at him. Look what he did. you. know, you were an example in the moment. We have too few heroes out there. So, thank you for being one of them. And. along with Irad, showing showing my kids.

and others across the country how to. lose grace gracefully. >> Yeah. And and you said the the word that. I'll use, you can still be a likable. douchebag. You know, you don't have to. be it doesn't always have to be. controversial. I mean, you know, trust. me, if you ask me my wife for 80, you. know, 26 years, if you ask her if I'm an. she'll say yes. If you ask you. do you love me, she'll say more than. anything. So, you know, the biggest. thing I try to I try to portray to my. daughter who's 10 years old and even. even others. I mean, I'm always going to. be Mike from Queens. I always try to.

tell kids, just be yourself. Just be. you. We live in this society where we. worry more about what people think or. what people want us to say. And at the. end of the day, it's it's I think it's. really why we have so many unhappy. children, unhappy people. They go. through life faking it. I mean, be. yourself, be proud, and and uh, you. know, listen, you can agree to disagree. Reason why I have the same friends for. 45 years is they can complain to me. about anything they want. We've had this. incredible life, incredible journey. taken together. And, you know, once in a.

while, my my friends of 45 years uh, have to have tough conversations with. me. Recently, they uh, they came to me. with a very serious subject and they. weren't happy with the food on the. private plane. It's a very very serious. subject, you know, considering we used. to go to McDonald's and pizza every. Friday. The private plane didn't meet. their standards, so I had to work on. that. But it's the ability to be real. >> I like that they're leaning in. >> Yeah, they they have to they have to. feel I have to make them happy, man. That's my goal in life, right? So, [laughter]. >> why shouldn't they have the best? Um,

let's go back to that moment if you'll. if you'll permit me at the Kentucky. Derby, then we'll get to what happened. uh this past weekend. But at the derby, we were all, we weren't at the derby, but we were watching at home because we. always get dressed up in my home in. Connecticut and we watch uh as a family. We have our virgin mint jeulips and and. we watch and enjoy. And here was that. incredible come from behind moment uh by. Golden Tempo Renegade right there. Stop. 52. >> Renegade is in behind that group. He's. on the rail. He's got 10 lengths to make.

up as six speed and Denon perimeter. One, two on the far turn. Mike Smith in. so happier there to their outside two. and a half back and then down toward the. inside comes emerging market as they. make their way to the top of the. stretch. Further ado is getting going on. the far outside with commandment. They're both putting in their runs as. they arrive into the final furong. Oali. is also gaining ground on the far. outside as they come to the last 16th of.

a mile. Dan Berman in front. Oull a huge. long shot. Renegade and Golden Tempo ARE. CLOSING TWO. [screaming] HERE'S Golden. Tempo. Golden Tempo AND [cheering]. SHEREE DEMO MAKE HISTORY IN THE KENTUCKY. DERBY OVER RENEGADE IN A FINAL TIME OF. 202.27. seconds. >> Oh, the two brothers held the hands. It. was just so sweet. So, can I can you. just spend a minute on this horse,

Golden Tempo, because spoiler alert, Golden Tempo also just won the Belmont. Stakes. He did not race in the PNIS, which was too close in time to the. Derby. A lot of horse owners decide to. make that same choice for the health and. goodness of their own horse. But c can. you describe this this horse golden. tempo? Because he did it again at the. Belmont Stakes coming from behind to win. the whole thing. >> And he beat me again. We were the. favorite and he beat us again. We we. came. >> I didn't want to mention that, Mike. >> We came in third. We we had the lead at.

the top of the stretch and two horses. got outside us and um they had the. momentum and then I think when Golden. Temple got by us, the other horse, Commandment, just went with Golden. Temple, who actually came in sixth, I. think, in the Derby. And you know, um. you know, when you when you see that. moment, you know, you know, I've been. blessed. I mean, uh the the you know, the biggest race I've ever won in my. life was in 2022. I this Belmont Stakes. that just was this weekend. I came in. first and second with both my horses. And I've always said as a kid, I've.

wanted to win the Belmont Stakes more. than the Kentucky Derby. Um, but now. that I've won the Belmont Stakes, I want. to win the Kentucky Derby. Right. So, you know, there's there's a moment in. the stretch that you really might be a. 15-second spot where you think you're. going to win this. You think you're. going to win this. And you think about. dreaming about this race for 40 years. And here it comes. And it's so close. And here you go. and you can vision it. just for 15 seconds and then it ends. like that and you get caught at the wire. and then you got to regroup and you know.

listen I you you learn more about people. through adversity anybody's a great. friend a great family member things are. going great everybody's winning. everybody's happy but life isn't defined. by good times and happiness it's good. it's it's it's defined by losses and. adversity and to me listen it it's I'll. say it this. Toughest loss of my racing life will. always be Renegade to Golden Tempo. The. one of the best accomplishments in my.

entire life being a kid from Queens is. being second in the Kentucky Derby by a. head. Um I think Megan maybe six or. seven more years of therapy. I think I. should be okay. I might be able to get. over it, but um but you know what? You. can't change it. And now I'm starting to. look to the 2027 Derby, right? I got. something to chase. Well, and also like. you had a horse. You have Renegade in. the Kentucky Derby. I didn't have that. Nobody listening to this had that. That's such an accomplishment what. you've done in racing and it's just like. a blip on your resume. It's like an.

extra that would be a throwaway for uh. for you, but not for most people. It. would be our only accomplishment. So, it's all of it is just really it's. incredible. And you gave us all such a. thrill like that. The horse is. Renegades. Amazing. And that moment. between the jockey brothers was just. something that was unforgettable. Can I. ask you about the I don't really know a. lot about horse safety. I think most. people who watch horse racing love the. horses and they worry about you know. whether they're being well taken care of. and this has been a bit of a scandal uh.

because there have been a lot of horses. who have died in thoroughbred racing. So. what's the status of that? What's your. opinion of of that? Yeah, it the. unfortunate part of horse racing is any. other sport if a horse if if a person. either breaks an ankle or sprains an. ankle um you know he's on the shelf for. 6 weeks to 12 weeks. Unfortunately the. way these horses are built they have. these four legs that carry anywhere from. 1,000 to,200 lb. So unfortunately there. isn't no science right now that if they.

break a leg and it can't be fixed. properly um they either unfortunately. have to be you know euthanized or they. they possibly could get lemonitis which. means no blood gets to this spot and. they can die from that. So it's. unfortunate that that's uh the. situation. I mean there's been a lot of. done on horse safety and you know the. other thing that we've been tackling and. and we're very close to is there's a uh.

there's a safe act which really is about. horse slaughter where people can ship. horses to Mexico other countries uh. where they actually eat horse as a. delicacy [clears throat]. and we have a bill right now that just. got I think it passed one of the houses. and if we can stop that we can stop any. horse from being shipped out for. slaughter. So, there's good work being done, better. work being done, but I couldn't sit here. and tell you that never will there ever. be an injury to horse racing where. unfortunately they won't have to be.

euthanized because of the way they're. built. But, you know, we I mean, there's. a ton of precautions. There's a ton of. safety, but hey, it's it happens in. life. it help happens in, you know, if. you're driving past midnight. It's it's. it's it's one of it's the saddest part. of the game that is we've gotten so much. better at it, but it's not fixable. unless you completely stop the sport and. but we've done a very good job. >> Is that Do you Because I know you also. did not race renegade in the PNIS. Is. the Pness just too close to the Derby.

and can that be fixed? like why why is. this so close that all these great. horses who win or come close to winning. in the Derby don't race? >> Megan, you know, I love this sport and I. grew up with the sport for the last 40. years. I I I came to love it. Um, you. know, I also have the United Football. League. Uh, I'm involved in St. John's. basketball. Um, it's the worst marketed. sport in the United States. It's the. worst run sport in the United States. Um, you know, there there's there's.

organizations that have been around. since the late 1800s that unfortunately. haven't been able to let go of the. sport. It reminds me, Megan, I heard the. clip that you had on UFC. >> Well, before UFC, there was boxing, >> and boxing was not regulated properly, was not run properly, and horse racing. is at that stage right now. I'm sure. you've gone to Saratoga, being a girl. from upstate New York. >> many times. And if you bring people to. Saratoga, it's something they fall in.

love with. If you've ever been to the. Derby, it's an event. This year, 25. million people viewed the Kentucky. Derby, but the retention of being able. to hold them isn't there because there's. no one really looking at what is the. best interest as a whole of the entire. sport. It's one of the things I'm trying. to fight uh for fan uh interaction, gambling, um ownership, breeding. Uh I. mean, New York State, a lot of the. breeding money uh comes from upstate.

breeders that need horse racing to. succeed. Um California needed horse. racing. Kentucky is the king of state uh. of racing. But um it's a great sport and. I think I really for the first time in. about 10 years am starting to see the. light at the end of the tunnel that. people are now looking to work together. versus stay in silos and only want to. fix their spoke of this 10 wheel spoke. But um you know I'm sure you're you love.

going but when it's not a big race or a. big event you forget about it the other. 362 days a year. >> Mhm. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. No, I grew. up in a suburb of Albany, which is a. stones throw from Saratoga and we went. up there all the time for all sorts of. reasons. Saratoga is just charming. But. the racetrack is like time travel. It's. stuck in 1959 in a great way. >> And they're having the they're having. the Belmont Stakes there now because I. guess they're redoing the racetrack over. at the Belmont. So Saratoga it is. But. we'll definitely be there. We try to go.

as often as we can in the summer. We'll. definitely be there this summer as well. Um let me just expand it in the time we. have left to your your other, you know, your real empire. uh all of your work in. Smartwater and so on. I I read that one. of the early business partners you. coupled with was Kobe Bryant and that is. such a wonderful but tragic story. Um. how did you come to know Kobe and what. did you make of his legacy? We started a. smartwear invited water with my partner.

uh Darius Bikoffov who was from. Manhattan and I was from Queens and we. had this $100,000 company that he. basically began and it was 100,000 for. three straight years and you know we. kind of joined together. We had two. different personalities. Uh it's one. thing that I always talk about when you. go to go into business with a with. another co-founder or partner you know. go to business with someone that adds a. different point of view. Not someone who. thinks like you or dreams like you, but. someone who's got a different skill set. I do a lot of sales and marketing. He. was ops in finance. He was more.

visionary. I was more strategy and work. together. We built this incredible. brand, Smart Water, Vitamort. >> You know, I was 36 years old and we went. from two employees to 600 employees. And. uh, you know, we sold for 4.1 billion. But the real story about that was I. always believe success is best when. shared. So I started at 10% option pool. for all the employees cuz I wanted. everybody to be an owner. And you know. 10% of 4.1 billion is 410 million. And. when you divide that by 600 employees, obviously presidents and VPs made more.

But when the receptionist who's making. 45,000 back in 2007 is gets a check for. 400,000 and the shipping clerk gets a. check for 700,000 and you create 250. millionaires. I mean, it really is a. great feeling. And I've taken that with. me with body armor, with Noble, with. Kind Bars, with Pirates Booty. just. about making people owners, letting them. build something with you together. And I. think it's so important that you know, oh, the stock market is doing so great. Look at this. It's 1% of the people. Why.

not profit share? Why not? These kids. are graduating college. I doubt your. education is going to cost you as much. as your kids education is going to cost. you or did. Um, my parents were able to. pay 5,000 a year for St. John's. You. know, I I have one 10-year-old daughter. I've already paid for seven college. educations, but that's okay. And I'll. pay for more. But but how do we these. kids graduate to get a $50,000 job? The. math doesn't work. So how can we get. these employees to really share the. success with this next generation? Cuz.

um I used to think they had it easier. than us till about 10 years ago. And I'm. not sure if Megan Kelly's Megan Kelly. and Micropoli's Micropoli if we were 15. years old today versus being 15 years, you know, when we were 15. So um to me. that's that's very important. >> No, I worry about it too. >> Yeah, >> I worry about it too. It's like uh I. know especially with AI very concerned. about the job prospects of our kids. But. I love I love that you've given back to. St. John because you know that's also. not too far away from my hood and it's. of course I know it from basketball.

What I learned in reading up on you is. one of the reasons we know for. basketball is because Mike Rapoli has. given $10 million to the program. You've. given away tens of millions of dollars. to so many different cancer research. ketering. Like the list is very long. It's got to feel so good. Mike, >> you know what? It's the best thing I do. I mean, I think I think at the end of. the day, I listen, I always know if I'm. going to be successful, you know, I. don't look at it like my number or my. accomplishment. The ability to share it. with my friends and family, the ability. to share it with my Vitamort family or.

my Pirates Booty family or my Jumpless. family or my Noble family, all the. brands, UFFL, and and and helping people. reach their dreams to me is is more. special than I mean, you know, listen, I. didn't want to be the only rich person. out of my friends and family. I wanted. everyone to to success. So when when. Vitamin Water sold, you know, my brother. gave me $100,000, my aunt gave me. $100,000, my parents gave me their their. life savings. And you know, uh I was. crazy probably to take it, but I was a. little naive. But you know, success is.

best when shared. It's so important. And. then quickly, you talked about my. relationship with Kobe. >> You know, Kobe came to me after he tore. his Achilles. I was friends with him in. 0708. And the one thing he said to me. is, "Mike, I my basketball career is at. the end. I need to know how to be an. entrepreneur. I got another 50 years of. my life. So, I spoke to Kobe in a way. that nobody else spoke to Kobe. I mean, I didn't really like him in basketball. I wish that he lost every game, but when. I knew Kobe the person, and you know, the the biggest compliment he gave me,

and it was a compliment he probably. didn't mean was, "There's only two. people that talk to me like this. You. and Vanessa." I said, "Good. I'm glad.". And uh we built this beautiful, beautiful dream. He gave me $6 million. and he wounded up the family ended up. getting $450 million in total. >> and Kobe knows that in heaven his great. great great grandchildren are taken care. of and still talk to Vanessa, Natalia, Capri and BB and you know it's uh maybe. >> Mike I got to run [clears throat] cuz we. had. >> 15 seconds to the heart break but God.

bless you for helping him and so many. families. If only his prediction of 50. more years had been true. All the best. We'll continue to follow it. Thanks for. the memories. We're back tomorrow. [music] We'll see you then.