Russell Brand's Lengthy Sentence, Trump's Shock Immigration Comments, Disgusting Charlie Kirk Rants

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show. Happy Monday. Lots of news. Let's do this. Including. President Trump giving his assessment of. the Republicans midterm wipeout on 60. Minutes last night and this morning once. again claiming it was a messed with. election. Okay. Can you can we not can. we can we just be like really honest. about what actually what this is so. pointless. Like we're going to. do that again. We don't trust the vote. We do. We do. No matter what you you.

know as to steal a phrase too big to rig. that's what just happened to your party. Uh first though we start with breaking. news from across the pond where a judge. just sentenced Russell Brand to 10 and a. half years in prison. Good lord. 10 and a half years in prison. He. grabbed a boob. He kissed a lady. He uh sniffed a lady and he had backdoor.

sex with a woman who licked his back. door before she was even introduced to. him. He is going to prison for 10 and a. half years for that. This is insane. This is a country that led let how many. how many of these. immigrants who had come into their. country, rape young white girls with. impunity for years? They did nothing for. the vast majority of those child. rapists. And now Russell Brand.

for grabbing boobs, kissing, sniffing, and having that kind of sex with a woman. who consented to vaginal sex with him. seconds beforehand. and also had clearly. been joking with him and talking with. him about having anal sex and had given. him the equivalent on their first. meeting for that he's going to jail for. 10 years. This is an outrage. This is an.

obvious double standard. And if you. needed any further proof that this is a. political witch hunt against Russell. Brand, that judge just gave it to us. Good gracious. Here's how the judge opened the. proceedings. >> 20 years ago, Russell Brand, you were. becoming famous. You were clever and, in. many people's eyes, funny and. charismatic. You had also become a. sexual predator. Your state has.

protected you until 2023. when journalists collected and published. the alle allegations that were broadcast. as a Channel 4 documentary and in. articles in the Times newspapers. Those public declarations that you were. a sex offender empowered a number of. women to come forward and tell their. stories of your activities many years. before.

Okay. So, it wasn't just the judge. It. was even the defense lawyers that were. using language that presumed Russell's. guilt, which at this stage of the. proceedings is appropriate since he's. been found guilty. Just so you know, that's why you'll hear the judge and the. defense lawyer talk about Russell as. though he's done all the things that he. was found guilty of. Um, but this judge. made no doubt, I mean, throughout the. entire proceedings whose side he was on. He absolutely had a finger on the scale.

He clearly didn't like Russell. And. neither does the press because if you. were to read the articles about. Russell's case, his verdict and his. sentencing over the past 3 days, it is. clear that they are treating him like he. is one of the most prolific sexual. predators ever to roam the earth. Here's. the moment Russell learned his fate. >> I pass a sentence of imprisonment for 9. months for count three,

18 months for count five, reduced from. two years to allow for totality, and 8. months for count seven. Those sentences. are all concurrent to one another to. further allow for totality, but. consecutive to the sentence for rape. The sentence I pass on count six rape is. 9 years imprisonment. So the total. sentence is one of 10 years 6 months. The few days you have already served.

will count. You will serve 2/3 of that. sentence then be released on license and. will be liable to be recalled into. custody if you breach its terms. On your. release, you will also be indefinitely. subject to the notification requirements. under the Sexual Offenses Act 2003. As you heard there, Brand was sentenced. to 9 years, nine for allegedly raping.

the woman identified in court as. complainant five. She's the one who. allegedly performed oral sex on Russell. Bran's anus shortly after meeting him. No, she didn't. She didn't meet him. They walked her into the dressing room. She dropped down on her knees and shoved. her tongue inside his rear end. This is. our 9-year. imprison Russell Brand victim. This is. ridiculous. She later admits she consented to. vaginal sex with him before she says. Brand anally raped her. This is the one.

who when the press first contacted her. about her exchange with Russell said, "Uh, you know, I was just a stupid young. person. I I was just as responsible as. he was. Okay, great. She did not show up to read her victim. impact statement, possibly because she. knew we would all be rolling our eyes on. this madeup claim. A prosecutor read it. She said she was. so emotionally damaged by that incident.

that she had to leave her job and return. to live with her parents for an. unspecified period of time. From her. statement, quote, "It's something I. carry with me every day, and it often. feels never ending. I don't believe you. Just before handing. down his sentence, the judge commented. on the bravery of the women who came. forward against Brand. >> Finally, before passing sentence, I. pause to pay tribute to the. determination and bravery of all the. women whose evidence I have been. recounting.

I do not increase your punishment. because of it. But all those women had. to face being confronted and being told. they'd lied or twisted the truth and or. they had agreed to your sexual demands. That was all done because of you on your. instructions. I also commend the Metropolitan Police. for their hard work in gathering. evidence and taking great care of all. the women who testified.

According to the Daily Mail, Russell's. wife Laura fell forward and cried as the. judge handed down the sentence. Again, this could have been as low as around. four. Uh we expected between five and. 10, and he's given him 10. He's. basically given him the maximum within. the guidelines, though he's allowing it. to run concurrently as opposed to. consecutively. So, he got that one bone. thrown to him. The Mail also reported.

that Russell's father, Ron Brand, looked. shaken upon hearing this insane. sentence. Take a look at these reporters. I mean, not not for nothing, but while we're on, I was just last week saying that that. the sentence of Elizabeth Holmes should. be commuted at this point. It's. ridiculous. She's in jail for longer than Russell's. going to jail for. Like, all these. relative sentences are insane. She got. an 11-year sentence. He got 10 for rape, alleged rape, and three sexual assault. She got 11 for defrauding some of the.

most sophisticated investors in America, like Rupert Murdoch. Like, whatever. Trump should commute the. sentence of Elizabeth Holmes. And this. sentence is an outrage when you've got. all these migrants running around the UK. having faced zero justice for raping. young girls. It was there was a racial. thing. It's been well documented. They. were Muslims. They were immigrants. They. were brownskinned. They were raping. young white girls. And the authorities.

didn't want to prosecute them because of. political correctness, wokeness, racial. sensitivities. Choose your your brand. that you want for what they did, but it. was absolutely disgusting. And now. they've suddenly found a conscience when. they found their first white. conservative man. Now it's time. Now. we're going to crack down. Okay, great. Great. We really appreciate that. Great. Just in time uh to save these adult. women. who consented to every sex act under the.

sun with Russell, except possibly maybe. not that one, according to this jury, which nobody believes. I mean, please. She She was so horrified about the. thought of backdoor action, she did it. to him within the first 10 seconds of. meeting him. Stop it. This is absurd. Speaking of Russell's father, this is. Look, watch this. Okay, this is him. outside of the courtroom being. confronted by these rabid reporters.

>> That's very un the type of man that you. raised. Leave the man alone. >> Nasty, aren't they? >> Don't answer the question. Do you have a. message to the victims? >> The victim? What? What? Russell. >> Not Russell. His victims. >> The girls, you mean who chased him and. harassed him? >> He was convicted. >> I don't care. I don't care. It's a. system. >> We don't believe the justice system. >> I don't believe it on the basis of what. I've just watched. >> See, we got social media. It's easy to. find the right jury. Go on Facebook and. see the sort of.

>> You're saying the jury is corrupted. >> Well, I was saying it's possible. Are. you saying it's not possible? I believe. in the justice system. Doesn't doesn't. always. >> Are you saying you couldn't go on social. media and look at what people are saying. and find people who are attacking us? Are you saying that or do you understand. you could? >> Ron, do you think your son will be able. to cope in prison? >> Yeah, he's strong. He's strong. >> This is incredible. And look at the dad. actually saying something quite. reasonable, right? Saying, "Look, are.

you saying the jury was corrupted as if. no jury ever has been? Are you saying. it's not possible? I believe in the. justice system. You do in the UK. Why? I. wouldn't. You shouldn't. There's a lot of evidence. of a two-tiered system in which the the. white guys, never mind if you're. conservative, have one standard of. justice and the brownskinned men who are. from other countries entirely get a. totally different system of justice. Joining me now for reaction are former.

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predator. Fine. This was set up for a. conviction regardless. when you're. dealing with charges or accusations that. are 15 years old at the most recent 20. some odd years old for some of them. This is not a system where you can. actually successfully maintain your. innocence when silence is deemed to be. uh you know something to be used against. you and you're simply incapable of. proving innocence after that period of. time. You listen to what that judge said. and if you changed the language to North.

Korean, it would be no different than. the judge thanking the state for the, you know, good prosecution of Otto. Warbeer and congratulating them on a job. well done. That is not a judge who's. administering justice. That is a judge. who is thanking his co-conspirators for. setting up and allowing this. manufactured conviction of Russell Brand. so they can set an example to everyone. else out there. We will tolerate your. debauchery because at the very least it. was a debauchery until you become. politically inconvenient. Then we will. prosecute you and we will have a show. trial and we will sentence you just like. they did to auto warbeer in North Korea.

>> Yeah, that's how it feels to me. Dave, you used to prosecute cases like this. for a living. So what's your take? >> Well, I I wouldn't call it a show trial. It's good to be back with you, Megan, and uh and Viva. Um you know, the jury. acquitted him on almost half of the. counts. So if the court had orchestrated. some show trial designed to ruin him, the jury would have found guilty across. the board. The judge did not sentence. him consecutively. He did it. concurrently. And it wasn't just a he.

said, she said yes. These are old. allegations, but when it comes to the. evidence, they did have text messages. and other evidence. So it just wasn't he. said, she said. So I'm not willing to. go. >> Can I just say something to you about. that? Because there's there's a story. going around on the internet that. complainant 5, the alleged anal rape. gal, had a text message of Russell. saying that he was sorry. It's not true. She testified that she received such a. text message. None was ever introduced. to in at trial and that was the critical.

text message. There's misinformation. about this. So, there is reason to. question this woman's account given what. I just told you. She said to the press. about how, you know, I was young and. stupid. I don't even know why they're. coming to me about my story. Um, and yet. there there is a common belief that they. sort of had Russell dead writes in some. text message there. >> Well, you know, when it comes to the. main account, you're right that there. was consensual encounters and she. willingly had sex with him before. She. agreed to have vaginal sex with that. night. That's all part of the record.

But the the findings were that Bran. removed the condom and forced a. different act and then kept going after. she told him twice to stop. And so. whatever they did the first time they. met, a jury can conclude and the judge. can conclude that it was not reasonable. for him to keep going after she told him. repeatedly to stop. >> 10 years in prison, Dave, 10 years on. something she didn't come forward over.

for 22 years. This is crazy. I mean, come on. Let Let me Let me just tell you. something, Dave. Look at this. Uh, I had. the team pull a couple of examples. David Lions in the UK, 44 years old. What did he do? He pleaded guilty to the. manslaughter of his autistic neighbor, Philip Quinn, who was 54 years old. He. launched a violent sustained assault on. him, kicking and stamping his autistic. neighbor with learning difficulties to.

death. He got less than Russell got. today. This guy got nine years and six. months in prison. Maybe it was a long. time ago before they actually decided to. get tough on crime. No, it was April of. 2026. That's just one. Here's another. guy. Harper Dennis, 19, convicted of. manslaughter. He killed a man by fatally. stabbing him five times in the chest. over a money dispute. He will be he was. sentenced to prison for less than than. Russell Brand. He he got 10 years, which.

allin is 6 months or more less than. Russell Brand. murderers, Dave. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I I get it. I get your. your outrage on that. I just just want. to clarify though, when it comes to. rape, the statutory maximum here is. actually life. Category one ranges up to. 15 years, right? And the prosecution. asked for category one. Um the judge. gave nine years. So, it's not as much as. he could have given. >> So, I'm not willing to to say that this. was a show trial or this was the system.

against him. I mean, he he had the. trial. He had a he had the best lawyers. in the entire country. He had a jury. that found acquitted him on about half. and then he had a judge who decided to. cut him a break and not run the. sentences consecutively. So, it could. have been a lot worse. >> Well, I I don't think that's the. indication that it wasn't a show trial. I think the indications that it was a. show trial is that these women come out. with accusations after the Channel 4. documentary damn near two decades later. It is unfortunately. I appreciate.

there's some corroborating evidence like. okay her friends were compl said that. she was complaining about soreness. Yeah. So it is unfortunately he said she. said and you're dealing with a woman. Now I I don't know if you have the clip. where the judge basically admitted that. the woman has a history of mental. illness and a history of drug addiction. which is related to. >> we do. Hold on. Let's let me play it and. then you you take it. Watch. In her. victim impact statement, she wrote of. struggling to eat and sleep, of taking.

two to three months off from work, and. of abandoning the career she had. embarked upon. Although the rape was 17. years ago, she still finds it affects. her ability to form new friendships and. to know when she can trust people. From. her evidence at trial, I also know she. developed an alcohol problem, partly as. a result of your attack on her. I will not detail the victim's lengthy. mental health and addiction problems. here as they might have a tendency to.

identify her. But the harm was. significant and longlasting. It could be seen as severe though she. told the police with an openness that. characterized her evidence that there. had been other issues in her life that. contributed to those later difficulties. Now, just to go ahead, >> make it clear, this is not a question of. victim blaming and saying, "Oh, she's a. drug addict and she got what she. deserved at all." No, this is a question. of you're dealing with someone with drug.

addiction, mental illness, a long. history of it related to other things. other than the alleged now, I guess, adjudicated rape. And it is a hearsay, he said, she said, where you know, a. woman who was engaging in a number of, you know, types of sexual activity, then. saying, "I I didn't consent to that.". Dave, and for everyone, there's a. difference between used and raped. And. there's zero question that Russell Brand. used a lot of women. And the moral of. the story is when you use more women. than you can remember, chances are one. of them is going to come back and. remember something that might not be.

accurate or might be their accurate. memory of what happened. You use enough. women, something's going to come back to. haunt you. That being said, whether or. not she felt used, it's a difference. between being used that he she might. have been raped and 15 years later, you'll forgive the world for saying I. don't know who is right and who is. wrong. But if you wait that long, >> I I I don't accept that word though, even that he used them. They used him. Yeah. I I'm going to I'm going to take a. risk and say on behalf of every female. audience member listening to this right. now, not a one has stuck her tongue in a.

man's anus within 10 seconds of meeting. him. F that term used. This woman was. begging, begging to be used by Russell. Brand. She was obsessed with him. You. teach people how to treat you. It's not. that she invited rape by that behavior, but she clearly was telegraphing to. Russell Brand that she was fine with. backdoor action. And he testified that. they actually did explicitly discuss it. before they did it and she consented and. and what she said to him was, "Be. gentle." Obviously, the jury rejected.

that, but I'm just saying that was it. was a he said, she said on that. particular sex act. It was admitted what. she did to him within moments of meeting. him. And here's another thing that I. that I was just um saying. Her she her. her friend testified testified that she. suggested to this complainant that she. should speak to this this journalist Roz. Irwin who's behind this entire case. And. the alleged victim, complainant five, replied to her in a message. I'm not. sure my story has much in it. I was an.

idiot. Young and stupid, probably as. much to blame. Nine years for this. woman's newfound testimonial come to. after she saw the so-called documentary. It's just And here's the other thing, Dave. She's up there given the witness. uh impact statement, not she personally, but it was read for her. um saying as a. result of all this, I doubt my ability. to make good decisions. Yeah, you. should. You should because you're the.

one who chose to go backstage with him. and engage in a threesome within. seconds. I no longer trust my instinct. the way I did. You shouldn't. It steered. you entirely the wrong way. And then you. willingly had vaginal sex with a man you. knew nothing about. You didn't know his. character. You didn't have any reason. whatsoever to believe that he cared. about you or would treat you well at. all. Like this is obviously a woman who. said yes yes yes to everything. And I. think it's zero problem to believe she.

said yes to this as well. Who then felt. gross and she didn't feel like he. treated her very well when it was over. I'm shocked. Shocked. Well, Megan, I. don't think it's fair to say that she. was silent for 15 to 20 years and then. all of a sudden suddenly disclosed this. to a jury or to prosecutors. The. prosecutors called multiple independent. witnesses, friends, uh, housemates, uh, colleagues who took the stand to confirm. that she and not just she, but others, the women who are the victims here, told.

them about the assaults at the time that. they occurred in the 2000s. So, it's not. more than it's just delayed reporting. >> Here's the evidence on that. You're I'm. not disputing that she said something to. friends, not rape, but here's what she. said. The summer after the alleged. incident, she allegedly told a friend um. that she had asked Russell to stop. multiple times, but he didn't. She said. that woman five told her, complained. five, she felt humiliated and violated, that Russell scolded her for making a. mess of the bed. That's not illegal. That's I mean, I if if it's true, she.

said stop and he didn't, that would be. illegal. But that business about she. felt humiliated that he wanted her to. clean up the bed. To me, that's actually. probably that maybe that that did happen. and she felt angry and it could be the. basis of this entire claim. A colleague. said in the days after the alleged. incident, a a woman five came to her. office looking ill and ashen quote, "I. asked her if she consented. She said, "No, I did not consent to that. I said. you have to tell the police. She said. no. They won't believe me." And then. there was another friend who said she. was distraught when she came home. She. was in physical pain. Um she.

the the friend said she told woman five. she was told that they had consensual. sex. Um and then Russell said he wanted. anal sex. Woman five said no. They. started to have consensual vaginal sex. and then he turned her over and he raped. her anally. That was the friend's word. But so this woman was telling the story. about having gone through the back door, but she was not saying rape until she. saw that documentary many years later.

Well, you know, you had six different. women who testified about separate. events across multiple years. They. didn't know each other when the offenses. took place, but they had these sworn. accounts that independently describe. virtually identical behavior. And and. that's where it really was very powerful. I think for the jury the under the laws. of evidence you know when you have. multiple unrelated people who come. together and say pretty much the same. thing without colluding with each other. sort of destroys a defense theory of. coincidence or misunderstanding and. that's that's problem as far as.

>> I mean why was that allowed Dave we just. had the Harvey Weinstein reversed in New. York City New York state because of this. very kind of testimony that was. introduced against him with our court of. our our appellet court which is no. left-leaning court saying this has got. to be thrown out. This was unfair to. him. >> Yeah, I think it was close in the. appellet court. Wasn't like four to. three, but yes, every state, and I can. speak to United States law, not. necessarily UK law as an expert, but. just about every state has what we call. in Florida Williams rule evidence, which. is if you can show a pattern, if you can. show an MO, then you can bring in these.

prior bad acts, not to show propensity. evidence, but to show that this is his. fingerprint, this is what he does in all. these cases, and you can bring it up. But the prosecution of the Harvey. Weinstein case went too far and it it. went into propensity evidence. Like he's. a bad guy. He must have done it here. Convict him. And the appellet court in a. narrow vote decided to throw it out. >> Well, I mean in the particular case. Russell wrote the book. He basically. documented his own I will call it. exploitation. But there is, you know,

legal consensual exploitation which. results from bad judgment and groupies. wanting to give a BJ to a celebrity. uh. which can leave people feeling so used. and so exploited that they 10 years. later say well you know what it really. wasn't that consensual much like uh the. Cornell University girl two years later. saying you know what it wasn't that. consensual it was degrading it was. demeaning I am living with the. consequences of this now uh and so I'm. going to you know it's not very hard to. reframe something as not consensual when. it was so damn exploitive in the first.

place when it comes to this Russell. Brand sort of explained his own MO and I. I said they were going to do it and they. ended up reading passages from his own. book to him on the stand. He made it. easy for that type of evidence. And he. made it easy for a a non-sympathetic. jury to say, "This man is such a an a. sexually exploitive pig that I'm going. to give the, you know, the doubt to the. victims or the alleged victims and not. believe him that it was all consensual.". He was so high on drugs and so high on. his own fame that he didn't even realize. that it wasn't consensual. So, he made. it easy. And if you live a life of sin.

like that, you know, >> he was he was clean and sober by 2009. when uh the alleged rape happened. Um. but I exploitation is not unlawful, you. know, and honestly like to to to paint. him as exploiting complainant five, the. alleged rape victim here is ridiculous. given the way she behaved toward him. within seconds of meeting him. She. clearly wanted it. Then after that. interlude in the dressing room where her. friend fellated him as she took care of. the backside. Then he called her and. said, "Hey, let's get together again.".

And she knew she knew she was going over. to his house for sex. She was cheating. on her boyfriend. She wanted sex with. Russell Brand. And we're supposed to. believe he said they talked about doing. it this whatever. We we've been over. that. But I'm just saying I don't see. this as exploitation at all. Exploitation is like when there's a. clear power imbalance. Just because he's. famous and she's not doesn't mean. there's a power imbalance. means one. person is famous and one person is not. Power imbalance speaks to a lawyer and a. client, a psychiatrist and a patient, um. a a teacher and a student, a boss and an.

employee. That's those are positions of. of fiduciary where you actually have an. obligation as one party not to exploit. the other. Star and star No, it. doesn't exist. This is ridiculous. This. woman, three, who said he kissed me at. the bar without my consent and then he. dragged me into a bathroom stall and. forced me to orally fell him. The jury. said no to point two. We don't believe. you. They they rejected her rape.

allegation on that, but they said yes to. he forcefully kissed you at the bar. This woman like it's unbelievable what. she told the court today. She she takes. she actually insisted that she be there. personally to read her own victim impact. statement. So she wanted her moment on. the stand. She was initially she said in. shock and turmoil after the attack. Now. let's keep in mind this victim impact. statement should be to what happened. when he kissed her at the bar and.

allegedly grabbed her boobs. That's. what's at issue. That's what Russell's. being sentenced for, not for an alleged. oral rape. So, she wants the jury to. know she was in shock and turmoil. She. says she quote literally lost any love. for myself for a long time, thinking I. was damaged goods. She felt quote. physically sick seeing him in the press. I didn't have any respect for myself. This really affected how I viewed. myself. I got into situations with toxic.

men as I didn't have any self-worth. Um, seeing the front pages of the newspaper. talking about what happened to me caused. me to have the only panic attack I've. ever had in my life. It was a truly. terrifying experience. This is. ridiculous. I'm sorry, madam. You're a. complainant in a criminal trial where a. man could be going to jail for life. You're going to have to take the stand. And yeah, that may be an issue of panic, but it's allowed to be listed as one of. her like damages here. Uh, even more. terrifying was seeing my character being.

torn apart on social media by people. believing all of us women were making it. up. This is ridiculous. Her name has. been kept anonymized. She will have that. anonymity for life. This is all going. into the mix of why Russell got 10 plus. years. Dave, that's ridiculous. I hear you, Megan. Uh when a victim is. speaking afterwards on p the penalty and. then conflates the count that was. acquitted with the count that was. convicted. But you're allowed to.

elicute. you're allowed to you're. allowed to say what happened and in her. mind even if the count was not believed. by the jury and then it's up to the. judge to make that determination to say. okay we're only sentencing him on the. kiss not the rape because that was. acquitted and I think the judge did that. the judge focused on those counts where. he was acquitted and gave sentences that. were within the sentencing guidelines in. the UK just wasn't on the top of his. head just wasn't because he hated.

Russell Brand if he did really hate him. he could given him the maximum and then. made it consecutive, which he didn't. >> He got nine months, nine months for the. grabbing of the breasts by that. complainant who's like playing it up. And he got 18 months in jail, Viva, for. complainant number four. Here is the BBC. describing her testimony about what he. did that he just got a year and a half. in prison for in SAT 212.

They were inside a small room and came. out into a smaller holding section when. quote, "He just leapt on me." They. described how Russell Brand lunged. forwards and began to kiss them. They. said, quote, "It was a flash of. lightning." They said, "He wasn't alone. There was a woman with long dark hair. with him and three other men." When they. were asked to describe the kiss, they. said it was frenzied. It was hard. It. was very, very hard. I would say it was. sloppy and it was wet. He was kissing. all down my neck and his hands were all. over me. He touched my bum, my breasts, my waist. he was pushing his body.

against me and I was up against the. wall. Again, they clarified it was rough. and then said, quote, "It was violent.". At one point, they said they managed to. put their hand up between them and. Russell Brand and push him off and tell. him to off. At which point, he. lunged backwards and in a laughing way. went haha and looked at the other people. who were around. Complainant number four. told the jury that not one of the other. people, the women or the three men that. they said were there, stepped in or said. anything during the time they alleged. they were assaulted by Russell Brand. Right. So, the question was raised, how.

traumatic could this have been if all. these people were like, "It's a nothing. burger." Then she testified via paper. statement that was read by the. prosecutor, "This has had a lasting. impact on my life." Um, a lasting. impact. The incident impacted my work. when dealing with stories of sexual. violence. It affected my relationships. with some of my male colleagues. Um, she. was advised to seek therapy for serious. anxiety and on and on. I He He grabbed.

her at a bar and started kissing her. violently, whatever that means, and. allegedly feeling her and for he's going. to jail for 18 months for that, Viva. That I mean, I'm sorry, but these are. just so out of whack. And just to. highlight again, she said no, even by. her own testimony. He backs off and. stops and laughs it off and stops. The. issue is this. It happened so long ago, a proper defense is virtually. impossible. And and I'm not sitting on a. fence here. I'm just saying guilty or.

innocent, this was set up for a. conviction. You cannot isolate this. trial and this conviction from the. broader UK system. I don't like. comparing it to the Muslim Pakistani men. rape gangs because that sort of equates. Russell Brand's behavior to that. I sort. of more equate it to what just happened. to Tommy Robinson. You somehow can't. find justice for actual criminals in the. UK and they literally lock up, say, white Christian men who are protecting. their nation or conservative for years. Remember what happened to Tommy. Robinson? Contempt of court, tried, convicted, and sentenced to 13 months in.

jail within five hours of the alleged. violation. The system is broken. and. whether or not it results in people who. might otherwise have been found guilty. uh you know questioning their guilt when. they get found guilty. The system is. broken. I it is a third world country. that is more commensurate with the legal. system in North Korea than that of the. United States. And so the issue is we. don't know and we'll never know if he. was innocent or guilty. That's what. happens when you wait too bloody long to. avail yourself of your rights if you. were a victim. We know the lifestyle. that he lived. We know what he's. admitted to publicly and we know what.

these women have admitted to publicly. But the system is fundamentally broken. in that hell of a country and everyone. who's there should notice this, leave if. they can, and sure as hell not go back. for trial if they can avoid it because. it won't be a fair trial. Here's here's the other one, Dave. This. is complainant six who worked with him. and um was allegedly asked by somebody. to give Russell's shoulders a massage, which she says she did. Listen to her. testimony. I just want you to know for. this that you're about to hear, Russell.

Bran was sentenced to 8 months in. prison. Listen, this is the BBC. describing it. >> And then she was told at one point by. his production staff that he wouldn't. continue unless she gave him a massage. They said that complainant number six. thought this was a joke and said no. Um. but then she realized that they were. being serious and then she was concerned. that if she didn't do everything in her. power to get this project over the line, she would end up in trouble. She says. the prosecution told the jury that. Russell Bran then re-enters the room, drops to his knees in front of.

complainant number six and buries his. face in her groin. They said that. complainant number six could feel his. breath on her genitals. And he was. saying, "Come on, do it." As in, "Give. him the massage." And they said that. complainant number six ultimately got. her fingers and prodded them into his. upper shoulders and made a remark like, "Oh, you're so bony." Which made the. other men in the room laugh. They told. the jury that Russell Brand did not like. this and then began to make a. disparaging remarks like, "You have a. deep voice. Do you have a dick or a. fanny?" They went on to tell the court. that complainant number six reported.

this to her line manager that it went up. the chain, but that ultimately it wasn't. taken seriously enough. N I mean, eight months in prison for. that, Dave. Eight months in prison. If. they had ever tried to bring a case just. based on that incident alone or based on. the alleged violent kissing at the bar. alone, there is no way these kinds of. sentences would have been handed down. >> Yeah, I I think that is probably your. strongest point here. I think that for a. massage that was.

unappreciated or unwanted, eight months. does not seem proportionate. Um, but. apparently the eight months. did not add any time to Bran's sentence. because the judge ran that concurrently. So, I would just say that that I I would. agree that that's a lot for that charge, but because the judge ran the sentences. concurren uh concurrently, it's not. going to add a day to his prison. >> I get your point. I see your point.

because he got 9 years for the alleged. rape. He got 8 months for the sniffing. He got 18 months for the kissing and. grabbing her bum and her breasts at the. bar. And he got nine months for the. kissing at the bar before he brought. that woman into the bathroom where they. did not find he raped her. But here's. the story. Let me let me just give you. this. I read you some of the statement. some of the sentences they've given to. murderers murderers in the UK less than. what Russell got. Let's just look at. some of the rape sentences that have.

come down. Um here's one 2025. uh men who abused a vulnerable teenage. girl. Uh including Ibra Hussein. Hussein. was jailed for six and a half years for. not one but two counts of rape. He gave. the girl heroin, a teenager heroin, and. raped her twice. This guy.

got less of a sentence than Russell did. for this alleged rape of a teenage girl. Six and a half years he got. This is. insane. One other Darius Andrew Leonus, 46, deemed a dangerous man who raped a. woman in a late night stranger danger. attack near a gas station. He um came up. next to her. He sat next on a wall. Then. he dragged her into nearby bushes. She. begged him not to rape her. He placed.

his hands on her mouth and neck to stop. her from screaming, leaving her in fear. for her life. She tried to reason with. him. He continued the attack. She only. managed to get away after he had raped. her. That guy got seven years. Seven. And Russell. gets nine and a half. So, I don't give. any credit or points to the judge at all. for saying, "Oh, the 18 months and the 9. months and the 8 months are going to run. concurrently with the 9 and a half,". which is which was a sentence.

to start with. Dave, >> well, I'm not as familiar with these. other cases, but I would hope that. sexual assault rate would be treated. seriously by the system and people. wouldn't get a slap on the wrist. You. know, as a former prosecute, >> if Dave Arinberg were in charge, that. would be happening in all cases. This I. know, but that's what's so outrageous. about this. In the UK, it's made. international headlines that they're not. doing it that way. Go ahead. Sorry. >> Well, also I I agree with Viva that was. upset. It was a Tommy Robinson case at. the way that was handled. That was.

totally a miscue where they treated the. victim as the perpetrator and the. perpetrator as the victim. And it was. done based on whatever their training. was, which has to be dramatically. revamped because they were too quick to. listen to a guy because he was I guess. wearing a turban to claim that he was. the victim when it was the opposite. But. when it comes to this case and I did. have a lot of evidence and the jury. reviewed all the facts and you know the. jury system may be imperfect but it's. the system that we have and the UK has.

and they're the ones who were there. every day reviewing the evidence and. decided that he was guilty on some. counts not guilty on others and then the. judge gave a sentence that was. commensurate with the sentencing. guidelines and made it concurrent. >> I I want to add. >> what do you make of it VA? >> You know the idea that well at least. it's concurrent so no biggie. It's. another feather in the cap of everybody. who wants to say he's been convicted. three or four charges now. Look at all. and nobody's going to distinguish. between the the bogus weak convictions.

and the and the big one. And you know to. go back to what Dave said earlier and. Dave this is not to pounce on you at. all. You know there were a lot of. witnesses and the judge the jury found. him not guilty on three of the six. charges or half of them. That's what the. purpose of a gish gallop is in an. argument. You throw so much against the. wall and you just hope that one or two. things stick. you know, finding these. victims and I put them, you know, victims now coming out years later with. from ranging from innocuous nothingness. to serious if true, and you get the.

serious if true. The question is, had. you had one trial on that main charge of. anal rape alone, would there have been a. conviction in the absence of five. others, two of which get dismissed or. not found guilty, tainting your. perspective of the big one? And it's the. tactic. and it succeeded because, you. know, you you throw enough out there, you make them look bad enough with. lesser transgressions of of sexual. deviency, you're more prone to come to a. finding of guilt on the big one, which. is all that they ever wanted in the. first place. But the bottom line, it was.

just the passage of time is the. injustice here. And unfortunately, after. a certain period of time, I appreciate. there's no statute of limitations. Another reason to avoid the system, they. exploited all of that to come down hard. on a political rival in the UK. But that. that's why there's no statute of. limitations. It's because these are very. underreported crimes. And you had. someone who did speak to several people. at the time it occurred and then yes. waited to speak to the authorities until. about 2023. But delayed reporting is. normal. >> Unfair to the man. >> It's but it's so unfair to the man. I.

understand it's normal. But as a woman, you understand sitting around doing. nothing for two decades may undermine. your ability to bring a claim later in. time, e either civil or potentially in. this country anyway, criminal because we. have due process because we have. fairness both to the accuser and to the. accused. And it just it's it's. impossible here. And then you have the. press which is responsible for this. whole thing. They're responsible for. this entire thing. That documentary with. actors, Dave, actors playing the parts.

of the alleged women, which is just so. inappropriate, right? Like, who? There's. no chance to assess the credibility of. the actual accusers who got this whole. thing rolling in this so-called. documentary. You have a professional. actress saying the lines. Of of course, she's going to be better at it than the. actual victim who may or may not be. telling the truth. And right right up to. the moment that we watched as Russell's. father was leaving the courtroom. Ron, is this the kind of man you raised? What. the f what kind of a question is that.

from someone who is supposed to be an. objective journalist? >> Well, that's the press and that's. another conversation for another day. But when it came to that one journalist, it wasn't the journalist that was the. first one to talk about it. The reason. why the journalist got the information. was because Russell Brand had, excuse. me, the victim had spoken to enough. people that one of her friends went to. the journalist and said, "Hey, here's. this story. Here's what happened." And.

that's what led the one journalist to. write about it. And that's what put. everything. I get it. But they talk many. people talked about how Russell's. behavior was quote an open secret. An. open secret. And he's got defenders. right now who are disputing that. But. the the complainant's side was saying. that it was an open secret what he was. doing to women in Hollywood. And so it's. like, okay, if it was an open secret, why wasn't the press interested him? I'll put it to you, Viva. Back when. before he was a conservative, back. before he was basically the UK's Joe.

Rogan, there was absolutely no sniffing. around whatsoever, nor any in-depth. documentary with actresses playing his. alleged victims. No, that all happened. after his politics changed. >> There's zero question about that. But I. also do wonder about, you know, when. people say it was an open secret, much. with Harvey Weinstein, what people. understood is the open secret is that. women would exchange sex for for stardom. and that that's part of the deal with. the devil that a lot of people make in. Hollywood and that people said it was an. open secret. Not that necessarily Harvey. Weinstein was a a serial rapist hiding.

in alleyways, but that he was a serial. exploer who would exploit women who. would exchange sexual favors for stardom. in Hollywood. I I it was Constantine. Kissen from trigonometry out there like. we all knew it was an open secret with. Russell Brand and we warned women. accordingly. The question is what was. the open secret that he was a sexual. deviant, a sexual pervert, a hyper. hypers sexually aggressive in within the. bounds of the law. He wrote a book about. it of that's if the secret that everyone. knew about was that he was a serial. rapist of the criminal order and they.

all covered it up. I mean, that's one. hell of an admission that they were. basically tolerating criminal behavior. or reality. They were tolerating what. they knew as degeneracy because they. weren't ready to use it against him at. that time. As immoral and debaucherous. and degenerate as it was, it wasn't. crossing the the threshold to illegal. And 10 years later, it's a whole hell of. a lot easier to apply today's morals and. standards to behavior from 20 years ago, which everyone knew about back then and. knew wasn't illegal back then. That's. why nobody reported it. to apply today's.

standards and sensitivities to that in. order to facilitate a conviction 20. years later. I mean that's my view. I I. Brand led a sinful life that facilitated. this type of conviction right or wrong. as it is. But the bottom line is the. mere. >> Yes. He behaved recklessly. There's no. question. There's no question. And as a. man, you got to be damn careful about. that because it's women who come back. and allege rape. It's never the men. Um. he's going to jail for 10 years. He is. going to have to serve well he's going. to have to serve twothirds of that. So.

it's basically going to be. >> seven years. >> seven years. He's he's going to have to. go to jail and and actually serve the. next seven years. He's 51 years old. He. has three kids, 10, eight, and three. >> His little boy will be 10 the next time. they get to spend time outside of a. prison together. And they may not be. done. The prosecutors, I told the. audience on Friday, are talking about. possibly charging him with two. additional counts. Um, they really don't. want this this guy to see the light of. day again. Uh, the reports out of the UK.

press on his first weekend in jail. because he was not allowed to be. released on his own recgnissance pending. sentencing were very, very dark. He's at. some prison called Wsworth. Um, though. he may not be staying there. They write. that as a sex offender, he's kept apart. from the other convicts. He's assessed. by officers. Prison bosses have carried. out a cell sharing risk assessment on. him. They've opted to house him on his. own amid safety fears. Uh they've. blocked him from mixing with the others. to keep him safe. Uh a source told the.

UK son that his first day in jail was a. real shock to his system and a wakeup. call. He looked shaken. He was quiet. A. horrible, noisy, and dirty jail like. Wsworth is a world away from his. glamorous Hollywood lifestyle. Uh he. would be expected to serve twothirds of. his sentence. Correct. Uh, and then he. has to register as a sex offender. There. was chanting inside the jail by the. other inmates. There's a brand new nonce. on the wing. A brand new nonce. Brand. you see word. You ain't so effing Larry.

Now, there's a lot in there that I. didn't understand. Nance, I guess, is a. word in the UK for a child molester. Larry means behaving in an unpleasantly. loud, overly confident, or slightly. aggressive way. Right now, the Daily. Mail says it's only been verbal abuse. because they are keeping him away from. the other inmates. Uh the quote in here. by one was, "They've got to get their. amusement somewhere." So, they've made. Brand the object with hundreds of. prisoners shouting the chant. Brand only.

leaves his cell to collect his food at. meal times before returning. He is going. around like a shadow. when he came into. court today. Um they the court called. the clerk uh at 11:01. a.m. Calling him in. 8 minutes later he. came in with two guards. He answered to. his name. He noticed his wife Laura. sitting behind the dock where he sits. and mouths are you okay? She nodded. He. says it'll be okay. I don't know how but.

it will. to his wife as he takes a long. look at his family and associates. sitting behind him in the public. gallery. His wife says, "I love you.". Laura Bran said, "Oh, God." as her. husband walked into the dock and then. said, "I love you." to him after he. turned around to face her. This is just so dark. It's just so dark. And he is being treated truly like he is. the worst of the worst. Like a truly. dangerous serial rapist, Ted Bundy type. If you read the press about him, I is.

almost universal and and very few of. these people has any idea uh about what. was actually testified to at this trial. in terms of the facts on Russell's side, the things that were not in dispute even. like I testified to about what this. woman did when she met Russell. Uh it's. just it's deeply unsettling, I have to. say. And I kept I keep thinking of this. one exchange Russ Russell and I had when. he came here. It's kind of funny. I. mean, to me, I laughed, but it's not as.

funny now. I don't know. Here it is. It's quick. Saut 233. I'm worried about your criminal trial. I. don't think that you're going to get a. fair shake in Great Britain. >> Oh, no. >> They love to put people in jail. >> Oh, no. I don't want to go to jail. >> It's my It's my strong preference to not. go to jail. back then it still seemed you know not. like a joke but like something we could. laugh about like it might not happen and. now he's faced with a very stark. reality. So you tell me Dave is there.

any chance of getting out before the. 2/3? Is there any chance given what's. happening to him in prison that they. will do something on a humanitarian. basis for Russell? >> Generally what they do is they put them. in supervised like cussy. It's called. the shoe in the United States the. special housing unit. We see this with. the tape brothers who then complain that. they're in isolation, but you're in a. special area so that the others don't. come after you. It's interesting. I saw. a bunch of social media posts talking.

about that quote you mentioned using the. word nons and they would like put dashes. like this was the most horrible word. I. didn't know what they meant. I was like. what? I don't know what that word is. Right. Yeah. I've heard the word Larry. But you know this does it is interesting. because this has become everything is. politicized but this has become so. politicized. You know, Harvey Weinstein. was a big uh supporter of liberals and. Democrats and then when he went down for. his crimes, you heard you didn't hear. much about it from conservatives and now. you hear this when it comes Russell.

Brand. So, it shouldn't be political. It. shouldn't be everyone, you know, should. appreciate our civil rights and civil. liberties. It reminds me of the old joke. that a conservative is a liberal who's. been mugged, but I would counter that a. liberal is a conservative who's been. arrested. make it. my assess go ahead quickly stuck Tommy. Robinson in a predominantly Muslim. prison because they wanted him to get. killed they want Russell Brand to either. kill himself or get killed and that's. what they're setting it up for and I. think it's patently obvious this is what. they do to political dissonance.

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I want to get to the rest of today's. headlines, including President Trump. sitting down with 60 Minutes to discuss. the Republicans decimation last Tuesday. and oh, a possible amnesty that he's. getting ready to issue. What? Yes. Joining me now, Emily Jashinsky. She is. the host of Afterparty on the MK Media. podcast network. You can go and. subscribe at afterpartymily.com. She also hosts our wrap-up show on. SiriusXM channel 111 right after we air. live there from 12:00 to 2. She's 2 to. 3. Emily, great to see you. Welcome.

back. So, unbelievably, he sits down. with Ross Du thought. I No one knows how. to pronounce Ross' last name, but it's. pretty close to that. And um. like the whole thing to me seemed like. an exercise in President Trump trying to. be likable. He was, you know, this. wasn't the combative President Trump. This was the like, gee, I'm super. likable. Let me remind you of why so. many of you used to like me and I'll try. or char I will charm you. And in that.

context, he gave away the farm on. amnesty. Like I I my jaw dropped when I. saw this. Like if you wanted like if you. were sitting around the White House, like what could we do? We're very angry. at the Republican base for not voting. for us. They they we they feel betrayed. on Epstein. They feel betrayed on the. Iran war. They feel betrayed on all the. corruption that we've been guilty of. when we haven't been thinking about. their problems. What could be a way to.

drive around drive out the last few. standing? What how could we get rid of. the last fans we have within the. Republican base? Try this answer. S one. >> So you think your deportation policy. went too far? It was too tough. >> I think it might be too tough. Yeah. >> What would happen? What does the deal. look like with the Democrat? >> Ultimately that hurt me. Well, the deal. would be we would work something out and. I think it's something I think that's. something that's actually doable. >> doable to create some kind of some kind.

of legal status for the landscapers. And. >> yeah, when you go into a hotel and you. have a woman that's worked there as a, you know, as a maid, as a cleaner, as a. this, as a that, as a waitress, a lot of. good things, great jobs, and all of a. sudden they're being taken out of the. country. It's tough. It's a tough thing. But there's a group of people that I. would say on the sort of pretty far. right that would like everybody taken. out of a group of people. >> Do do any of those people work in your. administration? Are they in the building.

with us right now? >> No. No. Well, there are a lot of those. people. Then there's also people that. are more modified on that. In other. words, get the killers out. Get all the. the rough ones out. Get the drug dealers. out. But let the people that are here. and in some cases here for 10 and 15. years work a deal for them. >> Okay. Now, there's no question what he. was talking about. The deal would be. we'd work something out. Legal status, yes, we'll work out a deal. There's just.

no question what he was saying. I mean, the question was explicit. Do you mean. the landscaper will get legal status? Yeah. Yes. That's what he said. Then you. had this rapid response 47x account. which we believe is affiliated with his. campaign, not the official White House, immediately puts out in response to um. an expost by the Blaze that read, "Trump. says he may work on an amnesty deal with. Democrats." They put out wrong. The word. amnesty was never even said in this.

entire exchange. Right. But that's exactly what working. out a deal to allow legal status to. illegals is. And everyone knows that. Even a six-year-old can understand that. So the campaign, understanding the. political jeopardy he just created for. the last few Republicans standing, tried. to lie about what the president said. But we have eyes and ears. And he said. it over and over and over. And just in.

case you thought the deal was, we'll. work out a deal that they'll all leave. and then we'll make it easier for new. ones to come, etc., which isn't what. happened at all, but there's no wiggle. room. Ross specifically said, "Do you. mean legal status for the landscaper. that Trump raised, someone who's been. here illegal?" And he said, "Yeah." So, what do you make of Well, and legal. status for that landscaper would also. then involve uh in all likelihood people.

who have committed other crimes after, you know, crossing the border illegally. It's very hard to be an immigrant in the. United States and not to be fudging the. system in one way or another, whether. it's with social security fraud, Omar. Yeah. Right. Um but it I mean it is. genuinely really common whether it's. with work fraud, uh those types of. things, fraudulent documents, it is. really genuinely hard to do that. So you. end up creating a giant carrot program. for people who have uh for for people. who have been here. They get amnesty. They get forgiveness for other things. that they may have done. And that.

incentivizes other people to just try to. get into the country. That's one of the. major problems with these types of deals. that have attempted to struck. Uh James. Langford not long ago, Mitch McConnell. worked with congressional Democrats on. the Senate side to get a bill like that. passed. And it was atrocious. I mean, I. remember reading through it several. years back. This was uh right before. Biden's re-election that became a Kla. Harris election and it was a disaster of. a bill. That is the last deal that. Republicans and Democrats were able to. work through and it was a total carrot. It it ended up being something that. would just attract more and more people.

Yes, it's important that he's closed the. border. Um but on top of that, you can't. have policies that once people are in. the United States because they've. claimed asylum or other things, uh they. then end up staying. Like that's a huge. huge problem. So, I'm not entirely. surprised that he's floating this. because one of the frustrations that. immigration hawks have had with this. administration is that they're actually. not going after employers. And what. Trump just recited to Ross was a lot of. the sort of frustrations that employers. have had with hawkish immigration.

policy, right? That you have this person. that's worked for them as a landscaper. at a hotel. And Trump went into detail. because, you know, he's been hearing. from those people uh who have farms. >> and he is one of those people. >> Exactly. Exactly. And that's exactly why. hawks have said you could have avoided. what looked like a lot of cruelty uh in. Minneapolis and other places. You could. have avoided all of those optics by. starting to crack down on employers. first. Do E-Verify. Just do E-Verify. You don't have to run around hunting. down Hispanics in the streets. He's.

right that I'm sure that did hurt him. with with a certain subset of the. population. They're certainly. independents, maybe not as many hardline. Republicans, but just do E-Verify, then. they can't work. It makes it impossible. for them to collect a paycheck in the. United States, and they self-deport. That's the most humane way of doing. this, right? And that again, people have. been saying that forever. I mean, there. are ways to crack down on banking that. immigration hawks are frustrated with. this administration for not going far. enough on. E-Verify is a huge one. Uh, and it just hasn't happened yet. And so.

that's where Rhonda Santis last week. comes out on election day swinging. against Christy Gnome and says, you. know, what everybody kind of knew uh but. was just kind of not talked about enough. openly on the right, which is that this. was a circus. It was a show to get. headlines that endeared her to Donald. Trump. And yes, obviously he switched. leadership at DHS and they have been. hitting record numbers of deportations. month after month. Uh but we had a. record level, a historic surge. That's. according to the New York Times David.

Leenhard. He had at a low estimate about. 8 million people came into the United. States, non-citizens came into the. United States in about a three-year. period. It is a bigger surge than the. peak of Ellis Island. And so even record. number of deportations are not going to. reverse that. So it's a if you're Donald. Trump and you want to deal with this. intractable difficult situation, you can. do the hard thing that's going to get. you in trouble with a lot of donors, a. lot of people you know, and it is going. to be on a different side of an issue. that you've been on for a than you've. been on for a long time. or you can do. the easy thing and try to cut a deal.

with Democrats like he did back in I. think it was 2018 or 19 with Nancy. Pelosi. They were sitting down and. talking about DACA at that point in. time. So I again I'm not surprised now. that Steven Miller is White House Chief. of Staff. I think that interview with. Ross was taped before Steven Miller was. named White House Chief of Staff. I. might be surprised if something gets. past Stephen. He'll be kind of the. goalie on this. But I don't know. I. mean, Trump would. >> I mean, but but the the truth is while. the chief of staff is considered the. president's alter ego and somebody who. sets agenda in the White House, not with. this president. True. >> This president sets his own agenda.

There is Steven Miller is a hardliner on. immigration. But if the president. himself is saying, "I want to cut a. deal." Steven Miller's going to have to. cut a deal. He's not actually the. president. So, I mean, while I would. normally feel heartened by the. appointment of Steven Miller, who I. actually am a fan of, I don't because I. just heard the president himself say. over and over again, the deal would be. we'd work something out. Legal status. Yeah. And once again, start talked about. a deal on 60 Minutes. This is not a. throwaway on a tarmac. This is a sitdown.

interview with 60 Minutes, which he. knows is going to make news. Um, deeply. disturbed. This is not going to help. It's They've tried it. Reagan gave three. million illegals amnesty and what. happened? We got a whole lot more. It is. an incentive to additional illegals. And. President Trump is not going to be. president forever. He's going to leave. The next president could be a Democrat. who is almost certain to loosen the. border restrictions that Trump put in. place at at the border. And if we also.

have an incentive on amnesty that that. the Republican president just worked. out, God only knows what we're going to. be asking for. when Mitt Romney lost the. election in 2012. I was at Fox News when. the Republicans convinced themselves it. was their rhetoric around immigration. And I was there when Roger Als told the. staff, "We're going to have to loosen. up." Like, "The Republicans have cut a. deal on immigration. We're going to have. to change our rhetoric." And go back and. look at the Sean Hannity clips from 2012. after the Romney loss. It was like the.

invasion of the body snatchers. He. started going from like the hardline. immigration talk to being like, "Maybe. we need a deal. you know, maybe we just. have to be humane about finding a. solution for those who are here. And. Marco Rubio was the person who like. penned the whole proposal, which circled. the drain as they watched how Republican. voters reacted to that, including. Hispanic voters who didn't want that at. all. And by the time we got to 05, 15 and a half and 16, who was the. dominant Republican talking about.

immigration in a winning way? Donald. Trump, whose whole platform was no. amnesty, no crack, only cracking down, build the wall, which to this day. remains his greatest approval line. So. like this is insane that even he now is. falling back into these old traps being. like browbeaten by the left into. thinking his problem with Hispanics was. the immigration crackdown as opposed to. the economy. But he is not. He is not.

wrestling with anything having to do. with what what he did to drive this. vote. In fact, he he's honest about the. fact that people didn't like the war, but he's still convinced it was the fact. that he wasn't on the ballot. Here's his. analysis of the midterm losses. thought. too. >> Well, number one, I was not on the. ballot, but I campaigned hard for some. people and uh I think if I was on the. ballot, it would have been a much. different situation because you saw the. level of popularity and love. There was.

love. We had massive rallies. You had to. transfer those voters, however, to. candidates that they didn't like. But. there's something beyond that. They. didn't like the war. They didn't like. the fact that gasoline went up because. they had it down at a low and there's a. a great dislike incredibly for Israel. >> Let's go through those then one by one. Start start with the candidates, right? You said it was tough to transfer your. own appeal to candidates. But in a lot. of cases, you picked the candidates. You.

endorsed Ken Paxton in Texas. He had a. tough time. You endorsed Darlene Graham. in South Carolina. >> Would have lost also Darlene. And I did. that in uh honor of a man named Lindsay. who was a friend of mine and she fought. hard. So we're going with candidate quality. and he will he'll say the thing about. the Iran war. They were against the Iran. war, but then he'll say, "But it was. worth it. It was worth it. It was the. greatest decision ever. You know, we had.

to do it. I stopped them from having a. nuke." which may be a reference to June. of 2025, but absolutely is a fake. reference to what happened in March of. 2026. But there's not real reflection. here, Emily, other than to say it was a. candidate quality issue that cost the. Republicans. We don't even How many. seats is it in the House? Like 40 plus. seats and maybe seven to nine seats in. the US Senate. >> I mean, yeah. Like I have a I posted on. X like the day before that I predicted.

the conversation was going to be about. candidate quality because it was so. obvious that that was going to be a cope. for trying to get away from the overall. environment. And it's not entirely. untrue that Darlene Graham was a bad. candidate, but a bad candidate that was. foisted on the public by Donald Trump. She won her primary by like four points. It was very much a Trump bump over Ralph. Norman. So no question that he had a. hand in picking some of those people. He's probably right that Cordon would. have lost, too. But anyway, all that is. to say, I'm glad. >> But but by the way, just to hold that. thought because another thing on that is. like, "Oh, but I did it for my friend.

Lindsey Graham." What? Why are we doing. favors? Like Lindsey Graham is dead. He. doesn't have to live the consequences of. these decisions. You and I do. Our. children do. Just the absurdity of that. And that that was an adequate. explanation for who would serve out the. remaining four months on Lindsey. Graham's term, but not who should. actually run for the six-year term. And. and he is the reason that Darlene was. chosen. And here you have him dismissing. it as like did it for my friend Lindsay. who's dead and buried. >> Yeah. And also I think it's pretty clear. that wasn't a favor in the end to. Lindsey Graham because the Lindsey. Graham legacy is now tarnished by the.

fact that Darlene Graham lost in lost. the state of South Carolina to Annie. Andrews who was like resistance posting. her way through the pandemic. If people. haven't seen the videos that she posted. around the pandemic period, they have to. go look them up online because it's. incredible. And also, forgive me, just. one of it's it's it's up to now an 80. seat majority in the House, not not 40. 40 is what the Dems beat the Republicans. by in Trump's first term and the first. midterm where they retook the House.

It's up to 80. And he wants us to. believe it was a candidate quality. issue, Emily, because he wasn't on the. ballot. These are lies. This is spin. It. does absolutely no one any good to not. be totally brutally honest about why the. Republican party was eviscerated a week. ago. >> This is what's actually been driving me. crazy over the course of the last week. It is that I people are welcome to. disagree with me on tariffs. They're. welcome to disagree with me on the war. They're welcome to disagree with. anybody. They're welcome to believe the.

war was a good idea and that tariffs. were a bad idea. That is, I think, a. perfectly fine conservative position. I. completely disagree with uh both of. those positions, but they're welcome to. have those positions. I would never deny. that tariffs were a serious problem in. the election. They clearly were. campaigned against in Kansas and Iowa. and Texas. They were a factor. Of course. they were. Of course they were. But what. you see on the charts of gas prices and. diesel prices is a complete surge right. after February 28th that continues until. election day. The tax foundation. estimated this year that tariffs were.

going to cost the average American. family about $820. It was about $1,000. the year before. Obviously there were. court decisions that intervened in the. years since. Uh, on top of that, Mark Xandy of. Moody's Analytics said that the Iran war. had already cost the average American. family $2,000. And that is directly. showing in his approval rating, which. you can see David Shore, the polling. analyst, said it's a structural shift in. public opinion in Donald Trump when the. Iran war happens. And you can see it in. all the charts. They've been putting. people who are anti-tariff and pro-war.

have been putting this this chart that's. going everywhere that shows Trump's. approval rating going down starting at. liberation day. That's what they say the. chart shows. No, it start it shows. Trump's approval rating going down on. these charts that they are posting when. he gets inaugurated. That is the point. at which his approval rating starts. dropping. So what happened after. liberation day was continuing a trend. that pre-existed liberation day. The. Iran war continues it but prices were. high right now. >> and it's it went up when JD Vance signed. the memorandum of of understanding that.

the Trump's approval went up when that. happened and then fell again once the. war resumed. Yes. And that is a very. difficult point for people who say it. was theouou that cost the ele I mean I. don't I can't understand how people are. saying this stuff aloud and taking. themselves seriously. There are. mountains of evidence to the contrary. They're lies. >> Yeah. It's bad. But I don't even know if. they are taking themselves seriously. They have an agenda, you know. I mean. it's so very obvious they have an. agenda. They don't want you to say, "Oh, you're Israel first." Well, you are. You. are. You don't have to be Jewish. There. a lot of these Christian conservatives,

evangelical types who are very, very. pro-Israel who like the main thing is. that we protect Israel. No. The main. thing is that we protect the United. States of America and American voters. and workers. Um, Mark Tissson is out. there trying to suggest that that. President Trump was. not saying that the Iran war had. anything to do with the election. Like. again, he did. And even Don Jr. was. like, "Play the whole soundbite, Mark. What are you saying?" Like the whole. soundbite of Trump has him saying, "Yes,

the Iran war was in fact to blame." But. the president goes on to say, "But I. would do it again." You know, I mean, because the president is never going to. say, "I did the wrong thing." That's not. really the way Trump operates. Um, and. now you've got Mark Leavan out there. Okay, so you would think that Mark. Leavan, who was one of the chief one of. the chief cheerleaders for the war and. one of the main reasons why President. Trump was goated into doing it and. continuing it. So, did he have a come to.

Jesus moment? Well, I guess maybe that's. not the right phrase. Did he have a. let's get honest moment where he was. ready to reflect on what he did? No. Listen to this five. is Sunday night, last night sad. >> The only way we can defeat the Marxist. Islamist threat, and it is a grave. threat, >> the threat to our country is if we are. united, clear-headed, missionoriented, and mission focused and.

become the Tea Party type activists of. the recent past. And today that means a. few major immediate objectives. Starting with the war with Iran. First, defeat the Iranian regime. No more back and forth. End it. Destroy. it. Arm the Iranian people. The Reagan. doctrine. Ensure that this genocidal 7th. century terrorist regime can never have.

a nuclear weapon because if it survives, it will. That means it must no longer. exist. Whether the isolationists, Democrats, or those who cheer for our. enemies like it or not. This is the only. way to end it. He He'll never listen. The neocons will. never stop pressing for more war, annihilation of the entire regime. Okay, he already got his bomb on the Ayatollah.

and the top emissaries. But you want to. talk about eliminating the entire. regime. That's all of the revolutionary. guard. That's hundreds of people. That. would require boots on the ground. He. wants a fullscale ground war in Iran. right now. That's what he wants. And. he's still very close to President. Trump. >> I just want them to be honest about. that. I mean, seriously, like, please be. honest. either say he's extremely brave. because he made a Trump is extremely. brave because he made a politically. unpopular decision that might have cost.

him the midterms or just say honestly. this is a decision that has cost us the. midterms. But they want to have it both. ways, right? They want to say Trump was. courageous, he did something uh despite. public opinion going against him, despite the risks to his own legacy and. career in the short term because he's a. long-term thinker. On the other hand, they want to say, "Oh, no, no, no. It. was all the tariffs." Like I just want. you to be honest that there were massive. political consequences to this and I. don't know if you saw Megan over the. weekend viral clips of John Kennedy on. Theo Vaughn going around that was from.

July and Marco Rubio said the same thing. that John Kennedy said in that clip. which was the claim intelligence showed. that Iran was building its ballistic uh. missile capacity up so much so that they. would be past a point of immunity when. we wanted to strike and take out further. nuclear enrichment and all weapons and. those sorts of things. Marco Rubio said. that within two days of Trump going into. Iran. Uh and then yeah, John Kennedy. repeated it on one of the most popular. podcasts in the country and people were, you know, re-upping these clips over the. weekend and saying it was just the.

messaging. It was just the messaging. Well, that is because both of. those messages reverberated around the. country over and over again when they. were made. Again, Theo's podcast is one. of the most popular in the country. Marco said that and it was viral. immediately. The problem for them is. nobody buys it. Nobody buys it after. Iraq and Afghanistan. Nobody is buying. this intelligence anymore. >> Also because Tulsi Gabbard, who was the. DNI at the time, was simultaneously. saying, "We assess that they are not. close to getting a nuclear weapon and.

this is not a concern at all." And. President Trump himself in June of 2025. told us all, "We've annihilated their. nuclear capacity." Annihilated it. So. where exactly were they getting the. ability to build a nuke from? Because. what you put on the on the tip of that. missile is a nuclear weapon. The missile. is the delivery system. The actual bomb. is the nuke. And President Trump told us. they decimated their ability. We in June. of 2025. So which is it? Because we had. a DNI saying there was no threat. We had. President Trump saying there was no.

threat. We had the Mark Levven of the. world saying there was one. and they and. BB Netanyahu were in President Trump's. ear and managed to get him to do it, suggesting this could be another. Venezuela, which everyone knows now it. wasn't. It was far from that. He This. guy will not stop. And listen to him. now. Listen, the more lies here in. Satix. As for this war, it's not really a war. Are we storming the beaches? Are we. parachuting the 82nd Airborne into Iran?

Are there ground troops? Are there. tanks? Are there constant and ongoing. military actions? Are there massive. amounting casualties like past wars? This is a military operation. And yet, listen to the naysayers. What would they have said during World. War II? What would they have said during. World War I? >> My god. >> What would they have said during the. Civil War when Lincoln was under. pressure to make peace with the South of.

the Confederacy? What would they have. said? These people don't represent America. They want you to believe that we lost. the election. because we decided to stop Iran from. getting a nuclear weapon and from. killing Americans. >> Oh my lord. No one believes you. >> It's not why we lost the election. If. this military operation had any role in. it whatsoever, it's because it's not. completed. >> Oh my god. still with the lies. So, first of all,

are there any ground troops? You have to. have ground troops in order for it to be. a real war. Why are there no ground. troops? Because we all objected because. so much of President Trump's base. revolted when he launched this war. without our approval, without the. majority approval in the United States, never mind the US Congress, that it. would be a lot more kinetic than it. already has been if it weren't for the. strong stamp of disapproval and the push. back the president got from members of. his own party when he did this. Okay. But second of all, that doesn't mean. it's not a war. The Secretary of War,

Pete Hexath, and President Trump. himself, the commander-in-chief, have. called it a war numerous times. Um, and. then to the nerve to suggest that we, you know, these same people would have. objected to World War II and the civil. war that talk about apples to oranges. We had decimated the nuclear program and. Iran was a problem in the Middle East, but didn't have the ca capability of. hurting the United States. If they had. the capability of hurting the United. States, they would have unleashed it. after we attacked them. and killed 170. girls in their girl school. By the way,

Mark Leavin, does that count as war? Is. that Do we count that 170 dead girls in. Iran by our Pentagon's decision for. which we still have not apologized or. even taken responsibility, which is. unamerican? Anyway, and he's still. pedling the same that it wasn't. this conflict that drove any votes in. the midterm elections at all. >> Yeah. And by the way, 21 dead Americans. Like, it's so offensive. I don't know. I. I was listening to that I was like this. is like deeply offensive to the. sacrifice that has already happened uh.

for the stagnancy in the straight of. hormuz that we've seen over many many. months now that is uh being brought at. enormous cost to the US military and so. it's inconsistent his argument doesn't. make sense and just like some basic. honesty I mean to have that tape I know. you played it last week with Ben Shapiro. and Mark Levvin like in September saying. they believed the Iran war wouldn't be. an issue in the election and then to. look at the election results and have. zero zero zero humility about their. political prognostication. That's not.

just a competence issue. I mean, it. should be a massive competence issue. It's the type of thing that Fox News. should actually make you address and. apologize for if you're Mark Levin. I. haven't seen that he did that. Maybe he. did, but any news network, I think, if. you have something that is is that. flagrantly embarrassing within a couple. of months of happening, I honestly think. they should make him address it or. apologize for it on air, explain why he. got it so wrong. >> Oh, they won't. They won't because he. speaks for that. It's a credibility. problem clearly, but it's also a. character problem. I mean, how do you. say something like that in front of. millions of people watching you? Uh I I.

don't know if this audience has a. million. It's probably around a million. Um but how do you say something like. that if that. >> right? How do you say something like. that? >> No. And and and also say it like what's. with the like reading reading in front? He's got like a script a paper script on. his desk. He's looking down. Can't manage the teleprompter, but it's. like this is all you talk about. Why. can't you look into camera and say. what's on your mind? Why do you have to. have your little preprinted script that. you've got to read off of your desk to.

make your points which you want us to. believe are heartfelt and you clearly. spend day and night thinking about them. I don't I actually genuinely don't. understand that. He also says the Iran. war is not why we lost the election. That's not what President Trump is. saying. President Trump is defending JD. Vance's commentary saying, "We lost. because of the war. Here he is in four.". >> Has JD Vance's comments about Iran. questioning some of those decisions. Has. that impacted your relationship at all?

>> No, not at all. But a lot of people. didn't like his comments, but not me. Um, he was right. Other than one thing, he should have made one other statement. One statement that I think is very. important. If you had it to do again, would you do it again? The answer is. yes. I can tell you if I had it to do. again, this historically for history. will go down as one of the best things. we ever did because if they ever had a. nuclear weapon, they would blow up the. world. You know why? Cuz they're crazy.

>> So that's Trump doing what you were. asking these other Republican pro-war. pundits to do, which is. be be honest. 74% said it was the. critical or a major factor in their. vote, the war. But he's saying it was. worth it. To me, it was worth it. Okay, that's that's at least somewhat honest. We can actually work with that. But you. can't deny reality like Shapiro and. Levvin and Tissson are doing, which is. to deny that the Iran war itself, the.

decision to do it and then what was done. there actually did drive vote. 74% of. the electorate voted on it. It's like. you can't work with these people because. to deny that makes you a dishonest hack. >> Yeah. Just look at gas prices. Look at. gas prices alone and look at diesel. prices. Diesel prices control so much. inflation throughout the economy. All. you have to do is look at the before and. after and see how high both of those. prices went after the Iran war. And. that's it in a nutshell. That is your. answer. And the reason again that I. think so many of these people are is.

absolutely unwilling to be honest in a. way that Trump at least is coming out. and say it. I mean, you see how Trump. frames it as part of his legacy that. he's brave that he did this because it. had to be done and other people didn't. Like that's one much more honest way to. do it. But the reason I think a lot of. other people don't is because they see. this ultimately about as being about the. battle for the soul of the Republican. party and they see it as about being. about JD Vance because they believe that. he's the threat to taking the Republican. party in a more populist direction and a. a direction that is yes a little bit. more protectionist and a little bit less.

interventionist. And that to them is. what this is really all about at the end. of the day which is why they're not. making the honest moral argument even if. you and I disagree with it. That's why. they're making the political argument. That is why they are absolutely wedded. to the idea that what they describe as. vanceism and sometimes they won't even. come out and say that they're really. talking about JD but a lot of times they. do is politically toxic. That's what. they want to say. Mike Pence came out. and said that voters rejected economic. populism. That is insane. James Telerico. was running on economic populism. So.

many of these candidates, Richard Ojetta. in North Carolina was running on. economic populism. I mean so many of the. high pro Abdul say had money in your. pocket, money out of politics, Medicare. for all. >> Gina he and that's just economic. populism across the board and. Republicans number one issue according. to a Wesleyian study on ads towards the. end of the election was taxes. So they. were running on tax cuts. So that is why. they're obsessed with this political. reading of the shellacking as something. that is about actually the toxic.

political implications of populism. It's. all about trying to control the future. of the GOP. Mark Tissson is out there saying, "If. you have something that you want to say, you know, about the Iran war and so on, you know, stop blaming the pundits. around President Trump, have the have. the nerve to say it was Trump's decision. and it's on him." I don't know who he's. talking to, certainly not this show. because it is Trump's decision and it is. on him. And most of us who have been. complaining about this, from Tucker to. yours truly to many in the right-wing.

sort of potsphere, have had absolutely. no qualms whatsoever about blaming the. commander-in-chief, Donald Trump. It's. 100% his fault. But the analysis for any. smart person doesn't stop there. You. have to figure out who convinced him, who told him this would be a good idea. Uh, I don't know what world Tissson. operates in, but in my world, which is. the real one, there are advisers around. a commander-in-chief who tell him, "This. is a good idea. This is the plan. This. is how you'll execute." And those people.

include you, Mark, my old friend from. Fox News, include you, Mark Leavvin, who. now denies he ever advised President. Trump, even though he knows full well. President Trump, first of all, is. addicted to that stupid, dishonest show. Second of all is tweeting about it all. the time demanding everybody watch it or. you're not MAGA. Third of all was in. Mark Leavvin's nuggy elbow with. basically the the the hands the knuckles. rubbing against his head by Mark Leavvin. who tried to dominate him and has.

succeeded in doing so and General Jack. Keane and of course chief among them BB. Netanyahu. All of which you weren't. allowed to say or you were considered an. anti-semite but as far as I know Mark. Tissson is a Christian conservative. I. think General Jack Keen is too. It's not. about Jewish. Has nothing to do with. Jewishness whatsoever. That's something. Netanyahu and Israel's defenders use to. try to shut you up. Same way as if you. criticize Sharia law. They try to throw. Islamophobia at you. Well, that didn't.

shut me up either. So, everyone can. off. We're only dropping truth bombs on. this show. That's the way it's going to. be. >> I mean, one of the reasons I especially. blame President Trump is the reporting. from inside of the White House at that. time. John Swan and Megie Haberman. John. Swan is an excellent Trump reporter and. they reported that everyone was lukewarm. except for like one person in the. president's inner circle was lukewarm at. best and many including Marco Rubio. including Marco Rubio lukewarm at best. about this decision if not totally.

opposed to it and casting doubt on the. intelligence he was given by Netanyahu. at the time Trump's own inner circle was. not counseling him to do this with maybe. one or two exceptions and so yes there. had to have been a very convincing ing. message coming from others. And I it. would be we would be remiss not to note. that Ronda Santis who again came out on. election day before he even knew that. Florida was going to be so close and the. rest of the country was going to be a. bloodbath for Republicans. He came out. and said it was the war. Ronda Santis is. very close to Israel. He is very close.

to Netanyahu. He is very hawkish. He has. been very hawkish throughout his entire. career. And even he. >> I don't trust him at all to this. And. but even he is willing to say he thinks. that. >> No, I know he's willing to say it. But I. I have to say it's a bit much to watch. Dantis try to position himself as like. the godfather of Republicanism and he's. going to come out. He's going to judge. everybody. He's going to tell us what's. real. He's even he's even got a thoughts. on how the media ought to ought to cover. like the you know what take a seat. Okay. You won Florida. Good for you. You.

were a disaster in the GOP primary. A. disaster. I was there. You didn't get. any votes. No one was into you. You. weren't even a strong second. You're not. a strong retail politician. Okay. So, like I think he should tread a little. lightly because he's got criticism for. every single Republican and every. Republican media. He wants to be the new. boss of the media. It's a no, sir. Learn. how to work the media and perform in. front of a camera and then maybe we'll. start listening to you, but we don't. answer to you. And honestly, this like. whole business of like, oh, you know, this about the he's going to be honest.

about the Iran war. Thank you. But. you're as close to BB Netanyahu as any. GOP politician in the country. So, where's your disavowel? Until I hear. something that's a lot stronger on how. the country needs to put our own. interests ahead of Israel's and you're. not going to be beholden the BB's. wishes, I don't really want to hear from. him. I don't want to hear from any. politician who's up the ass of a foreign. leader. >> At the very least, Ronda Santis uh. should Well, I mean, at the very least, it's a it's a smarter argument than what. we're hearing from Mark Tissson and Mark.

Leven. I'll put it that way. Like, if. you're trying to persuade people that at. the very least he's doing so. That's. what also kind of drives me insane about. this is that they're counterproductive. to their own cause and they're too smug. and insulated to realize that they are. hurting their own cause over and over. again. Every single strategy they attack. or they come to it is like. counterproductive repeatedly. It's like. one of the things I was thinking about. as you were just talking is that Megan. you were like fairly supportive of. Midnight Hammer as were most. conservatives. Uh they were mostly.

supportive of Midnight Hammer and then. everybody's patience was tested. like. people went out on a limb and said, "Yeah, we think this was the brave thing. to do. We think this was the right thing. to do and were not, you know, there was. there was no question of people's. loyalties to the president or people's. loy like nobody was doing nobody was. playing this game and then suddenly. people say that's a little bit too far. for me and everything explodes after. Iraq, Afghanistan like it is just it. constantly making people distrust the. side that is pushing war more and more. They couldn't be doing themselves more.

of a disadvantage with the strategy. >> Yes. Yes. And then you have this from. President Trump today. Does anybody really believe that this. election in air quotes was honest? Well, he's using actual quotes. How could the. polls be so wrong? Some early voting. dumps were so large that it was. impossible to win no matter how many. people went to vote. It's all about the. machines which are far more important. than the voter. President DJT. So once. again trying to suggest that there's.

something wrong with the election. How. could the polls be so wrong? You were. misled, sir. You were fed little gold. nuggets by a bunch of sickopants who. work for you like Natalie Harp. Not to. tell you the truth, but to make you feel. good as you put your head against the. pillow at night. That's your fault. That's your fault for having people. around you like Susie Wilds reportedly. who wouldn't tell you the truth because. they were too afraid of you. cuz they. were too worried about their own. backsides getting fired. They were too.

mad about you getting angry. That's why. you were fed those little sweet. nothings whispered into your ear day. after day. Though Jonathan Swan and. Maggie Haberman are reporting that he. was told at least the week before the. the vote what the polls were showing and. he refused to believe it. He's the power. of positive thinking guy. He refused to. believe there that it's real. And so now. we've got to go back down this. ridiculous lane of the election was. dishonest. Just stop. Stop. We're not.

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just, you know, reach into that pocket. and like throw them a couple of nuggets, he can make the reindeer fly again, Emily. And it's not going to happen. >> Yeah. I mean, it might work with a small. fraction of the Republican party, maybe. something like 20% that trust Trump over. literally everybody else. But one of the. reasons the polls were wrong is that. they were overweing for rural Republican. leaning voters that they had often had a. hard time connecting with in the Trump. era. And I think one of the big reasons.

that those polls were off is that those. were exactly the voters that they were. waiting overly on the Republican side. Those were exactly the voters that. flipped or stayed home. And so the. polling actually missed that some of. Trump's I mean what we're seeing in. Patrick Rafini right of center pollster. put together a great report showing. shifts and if you look at the MAGA. coalition rural voters shifted double. digit to Dems men shifted independent. shifted like 13 points like core. components not college yep core. components of the Trump coalition and so. that's actually one of the best.

explanations for why the polling is. wrong is that the people that were being. weighted heavier because they weren't. they felt in places like Maine pollsters. felt they couldn't get in contact with. So like that's why Susan Collins polling. was wildly off in 2020. This is what. pollsters came at the time to recognize. is they were not getting in touch with. enough of those spec specifically rural. Republican leaning voters in the Trump. era. And that's the best explanation for. it is actually a lot of people who may. have voted Republican in the past 10. years. They might not have voted. Republican before Trump, by the way, which is an important part of this. They.

actually turned out for Democrats this. time. And that's why some of the charts. that are going around, the polls that. are going around that look weird to. people, they're they're actually. explicable by the kind of Obama Trump. crossover voters going against Trump. this time. >> Yeah, they they left you. That the polls. they weren't wrong. They were wrong if. anything against the Democrats. undercounted the support for the. Democrat candidates because it was your. core voters leaving you. Like listen,

your only obligation now is to listen to. them and help them instead of living in. denialism. about where the polls were wrong and it. wasn't an honest election. Good luck. Good luck, Republican party. If I were a. Republican on Capitol Hill, I I would. say the classic, it's it's over for Donald Trump. We have. to forge on without him. That's it.

We've got to forge on without him. All I. can think of is when I moved to Chicago. as a young lawyer, I was about to start. my legal career and we traveled cross. country, my mom, my stepfather, Peter, and my boyfriend and I. And it was a. crazy drive. It took, you know, 18. hours. We were from upstate New York to. Chicago. We tried to do it in one fell. swoop. It was like some of us were in. the cab. Four of us were in the cab. Then two of us would sleep in the back. It was like I had a I had one sofa, a. love seat, a couple of crates, and a. bed, but U-Haul had run out of the small.

little unit. So, we had this huge like. 18-wheeler situation. Anyway, by the. time we got to Chicago, our nerves were. shot. We were stressed out. We were. tired. And we got to try to to the. apartment building to try to like back. this enormous truck in. And my. stepfather Peter had had it. He was like. beyond. And my then boyfriend Jason. comes in. My mom and I are in the. elevator holding all these things. And. and Jason says, his last name is Kerwin. He goes, Kerwin's no good to us anymore.

We're going to have to forge on without. him. Like, let's go. We're going to have. to abandon my st. And I'm sorry. That. has to be the motivation for this next. scene by Republicans in Congress when it. comes to Donald Trump. This about. stolen elections is not going to help. anybody. And the same for this. about amnesty. I mean, like, let's kill. off the very last of our supporters with. nonsense like this. My friends, for John.

without him. >> Well, I was just going to say, imagine. the incentives for a senator in a place. like Kansas or Texas. Uh, that just. flipped really blue. The incentives for. a Republican senator in those states are. no longer to follow in lock step with. Donald Trump. even a Republican senator. That has all changed. South Carolina, when you see mandates, maybe you're up. in two years. Look at Ron Johnson in. Wisconsin. He's up in two years. The. political incentive to walk in locks up. Yes. Yep. Exactly. And so the political. incentive not to upset the hardcore. Trump base now that it's diminished a.

bit, but especially now that Trump's. power appears to be diminished, the. political incentive for those senators. to go along with every single thing. Trump says is gone. Uh, and that's going. to be an interesting thing when votes. potential impeachment votes come up, when investigations come up in the next. couple of uh, months or the next six. months over some things corruption wise. that are actually very serious. Those. senators, if you are now a senator from. Texas and your coworker is James Taller. Rico or South Carolina, Tim Scott, and. your coworker is Annie Andrews, you have. a different set of political incentives.

now because voters in your state just. turned out lopsided for Democrats by. double digits in some cases. >> Yep. Ron Johnson was out there last week. calling out the corruption in the. administration in this Trump. administration. Ron Johnson, Republican. of Wisconsin and he's been very active. in the maja world. The big news over the. past three days was Cali Means friend of. this program. He's been on many times, went on tour with us, calling out the. corruption in the administration, naming.

names, in particular Susie Wilds as the. main reason he says Maha has died. Maha. can't get through. She he says is why. glyphosate, this ridiculous fertilizer. that's poisoning all of America, uh made. by bear, was the subject of an executive. order giving Bear immunity uh from. lawsuits and is, you know, just as. robust and and ubiquitous as ever under. the new Maha administration. The special.

pies for glyphosate, for Pepsi, for. sugar, for ultra processed foods. He's. putting it squarely at the doorstep of. Susie Wilds, who's now the departed. chief of staff. She's pushing back as so. is her top dog, who's also left the. administration. That's just one of the. many things in the news today. We're. going to pick it up. I'm going to take a. break. Emily and I are going to keep. going. The Russell Brand News set us. back a bit on hard news coming out of. Washington. We've got that. And we've. got the vile, vile Jennifer Welch, the. disgusting, angry lady hosting the.

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before we have to take our last break in. the hour for SiriusXM and then we'll. come back and pick this up on the back. end um with Emily Jashinsky. Cali means. left the administration which is I have. to say a devastating blow. I mean I. there isn't someone who is more at the. heart of the Maha movement than Cali. means. And I include RFKJ in that. Like. this was the brains behind the whole. thing. He is like weirdly brilliant. like he's one of those geniuses who like.

you kind of just got to wa sit back and. watch his mind work and he. says he can't do it. He says it can't be. done because the admin is not committed. to getting it done. They are committed. to lining the pockets of the big. industries who are behind ultrarocessed. foods, big sugar, etc. Here's a bit of. what he told Joel Rogan uh last week on. on Friday s 11. the system of DC does. not want any change to happen. And the.

fact that we had a voter coalition and. could use that and say this coalition, you other people are going to be pissed. off if we don't get things done. We we. were able to get things done. The simple reality and why I left um is. that there is a very concentrated group. of people in the Trump administration um. that are antagonistic to what people. voted for and are frankly uh and I think. it's very clear uh doing things for. other reasons uh particularly in many. cases to enrich their families. Susie.

said to me many times we need money for. the midterms Cali we need money for the. midterms. So when you convince yourself. that money is the most important thing. for the midterms and for the future. political dynamics and this was the. narrative in the Trump administration by. Susie uh from the from almost the. beginning then you can justify almost. anything and what Tony Fbrezo did with. this polling is said oh people don't. really care about the food issues people. don't really care about the pesticide. issues people don't really care about. the taking on farm or whatever so so so. so that's the big shell game I think.

that happened is is everything in the. political strategy Y was based on. getting enough money for the midterms, not actually doing the things that would. then energize voters enough. >> Yeah. So well said. This is so sad to. me. I do think it's the death of Maha. Um and I just don't even know how they'd. even begin to tackle it without him. there behind RFKJ. We'll pick it up. there and go back to the hideous. Jennifer Welsh in one minute. Don't go.

away. So Emily, what do you make of Cali. means leaving? Oh, so sad. And sounding. the alarm that for all intents and. purposes, Maha is dead. >> Yeah. I mean, Maha is such an important. part of the Trump coalition. And there. are so many people inside of the Trump. administration that do really, really. care about Maha. They have been totally. converted to MA dieards that I have to. believe there will still be some inside. agitation for MA goals within the.

administration. On the other hand, I. checked in uh with some sources myself. just to get a picture of what Cali was. saying, of whether what Cali was saying. was accurate. And yeah, it appears, at. least from my sourcing, that it's a. relatively accurate picture of what was. happening inside. I think Donald Trump. appointing Susie Wilds, who's a very. very successful lobbyist, to the White. House chief of staff position, that goes. back to Donald Trump. I mean, it it. doesn't you you can blame Susie Wilds, but at the end of the day, you also have. to blame Donald Trump. You have to. delegate when you're president of the.

United States all kinds of tasks, information flow, those sorts of things. to a chief of staff. And to put somebody. who's a very powerful lobbyist in that. position is obviously going to have. consequences when you're in Washington. You're on a drain the swamp platform, I. don't think we can understate how. important that was to Trump's success in. 2016, also in 2024. But just since he. came down the came down the escalator, drain the swamp was so hugely. intertwined with his brand. It was such. an important part of his brand. And if. you look at the lobbying, registration.

uh disclosures for Ballard, which is. where Susie Wilds used to work, they. have exploded since Trump came into. office because all of these massive. corporations, including Bayer, which. obviously merged with Monsanto, as Maha. people who have been following this. closely know, they got exactly what they. wanted. They lobbyed. They got what. their clients paid for out of Ballard. Ballard did the job. It was paid. millions of dollars to do, which was to. successfully get the administration to. be more friendly to Bayer. They got. that, as Callie talked about with Joe. Rogan, a big carveout on a national. security basis for freaking glyphosate.

Like, it's completely insane. But they. paid millions of dollars and they got. it. And on the lobbying disclosure, uh, Brian, I went and looked at it after. Cali posted it. I verified it. Brian. Ballard is listed on the lobbying. disclosure and they say they were. lobbying people in the administration. So, yes, that's how Washington works. But Trump was supposed to be the person. whose administration resisted the way. Washington worked. And it's just such a. good example of how MAGA was was really. captured by K Street and the swamp here. in DC. >> by.

That's I'm mad at myself because I did. buy the Maha promises and they were. They were. Like Marty McCary did a good job at the. FDA to the extent he could. You know, he. got some food dye out of certain. products and that was a plus. And I. think Bobby Kennedy's rearrangement of. like the food pyramid and his push back. on some of the vaccine mandates and so. on have been a good thing, but they. haven't accomplished what they set out.

to accomplish at all. Like the fact that. they provided this blanket protection. for glyphosate was such a thumb in the. eye to every Maha activist who backed. them. Um, and Means is calling it out. like he's he's saying Susie Wilds and. this Ballard are way too comfortable and. that Susie Wilds has a daughter who was. effectively a grifter too. Um, and. here's him explaining some of that in ST.

13. >> Sus's daughter um became a lobbyist. Uh, and I don't know if you have the graph, Continental Strategies, um, but this is. really interesting. Um, Sus's daughter. went to a lobbying firm and it was an. open discussion in the White House. If a. if a company hired Suz's daughter, um, then that was getting a high priority. And there's this chart that shows. Continental Strategies, the group.

Susie's daughter worked for had almost. zero in revenue before the Trump. administration shot up to 30ish million. dollars a year in revenue. So if you're. a special interest and you want to get. something done, the secrets out, you pay. Susie's daughter and it was openly. discussed that when they had a client. So th this this is this is what happened. uh to Continental once uh Sus's daughter. worked there. And then Suzie uh worked. at a firm called Ballard Partners. Uh. Ballard Partners has become the highest.

revenue generating lobbying firm in. history. If you hire Ballard, you get a. meeting with Suzie and you can get. things done. >> It's so gross. It's just really. disgusting. He's now trading Barbs with. Suz's um top guy uh named James Blair. And James Blair is saying that Callie's. lying. Uh he's saying he tried to speak. to Cali like privately and that he's not.

returning or answering his calls. He's. saying he says quote, "Cali, your poor. me act is tiring and embarrassing for a. grown man who launched a smear campaign. I've been countering your factual. inaccuracy all day. You thought I was. going to lay down and take it. I do this. for a living. I've been called worse. things by better people than you and I. haven't even gotten started. Means. meantime. Cali writes, "In light of. suggestions that Susie Wilds and James. Blair may pursue legal action over my. Joe Rogan interview, I am publicly. requesting that she Ballard partners,

Continental Strategy, and other relevant. parties immediately preserve all. potentially relevant records and. communications, including coms between. Susie Ballard and their representatives. about lobbying access, meeting policy. decisions, and corporate clients. All. communications involving Bayer, Monsanto, Ballard partners, and White. House officials concerning glyphosate, etc. sugar industry political. contributions, Tony Fbritzio, the. pollster, food industry representatives, White House officials concerning MA. initiatives. It's on Emily. This like to.

quote Few Good Men, you with the. wrong Marine here because he's not going. to go quietly. There's zero chance of. that. >> Well, and definitely not. And there's. clearly a market for it. I mean, he goes. straight to Joe Rogan. I'm sure this. episode is going to blow up. It's been. absolutely everywhere. People are. fascinated by how the sausage is made. here in Washington and furious about it. They should be. You could go to uh one. of my favorite newsletters actually. It's called Politico Influence. It's. every weekday. And they had a uh one, this was like last January. I just. pulled up the headline. It was Trump 2.0.

unleashes a gusher on K Street. And they. break down the ballard numbers. They. break down the other lobbying firms with. people who have been either in the Trump. administration or very close to the. Trump administration. Like you actually. don't need to follow the tit fortat. personnel disagreements between Cali, James Blair, and Susie Wilds. You can. literally just look at the lobbying. disclosures. there. These corporations. are not funneling millions of dollars to. lobbying firms for nothing. And in this. case, Politico reported that Susie Wilds. did meet with Bayers. So, all of the. receipts are there. I mean, you just.

have to put one plus one together and. say it equals two. Like, you can people. can follow this stuff. People are smart. And this is exactly how Washington DC. works. Arguably on another level. I. mean, other places, it's happened with. Maha, it's happened with crypto, it's. happened with betting markets, it's. happened with all kinds of different. industries. Uh certainly in the Pentagon. side, this has continued to happen under. Trump. Uh and it's in a way been almost. more transparently corrupt because Trump. sort of says he's a dealmaker and put. like Jared Kushner getting $2 billion. from the Saudis uh into Affinity.

Partners and then going back into the. White House and negotiating our Middle. East deals. Like he's not trying to hide. that he got all those money from the. Saudis. So some of it you see happening. out in the open. But with the Maha. stuff, I think it's going to be so. profoundly disappointing to people the. more and more they see what was. happening behind the scenes because it. is really gross. And those corporations. are not going to go quietly into the. good night. They are going to put up a. fight with every bone that they have in. their body, with every millions of. dollars that they can spend on a. lobbyist. And those lobbyists get paid. to do really, I think, awful work.

Marty McCary reportedly left FDA because. they were pressuring him to approve or. to fasttrack fruit flavored vapes, which. honestly is a huge issue for moms across. America, never mind maja moms, because. they're very appealing to kids and they. it gets them hooked on something that's. very bad for them. And he did not want. to fasttrack them. He did not want to. put any stamp of approval on them. He. did not think that they were good for.

children or teenagers or should have any. sort of FDA blessing or assistance. whatsoever to the point where he quit. rather than do it. And this is one of. the things that Cali is talking about. these flavored vapes and how much. pressure there was within the. administration to fasttrack them and to. approve of them. He actually talked. about the sugar industry and talked. about how Trump's chief pollster, this. guy Tony Fabritzio takes tons of money. from Pepsi and Cali knows about Pepsi.

because he used to work at Pepsi. In. fact, before I play you what he said. about Pepsi, let me play you what he. said to me on the tour. He was one of. our tour guests last fall and back then. he had a much rosier picture that he was. presenting about Maha and the admin and. we talked about Pepsi among other things. and here's what he said back then sat 10. and they came into the White House and. they said this is hurting jobs to take. food stamp funding away from soda they. said we need because we're building new.

factories we need to keep ultrarocessed. food in school lunches because the Trump. administration is taking a sledgehammer. to school lunch to crappy food in school. lunches and getting fresh food in. schools. They said that it is completely. inappropriate that the FDA is finally. studying the chemicals in our food. We. have 10,000 more chemicals in our food. today than Europe. And the FDA is. actually has a gall to study them. And. they said that's going to hurt our.

business. And the administration said no. thanks, you can get out of this office. And that has never happened before. And. and I'll just say that the reason I'm. fired up is because this is what is. happening on every single front. This. administration is taking on big messy. conversations on every single level. They are putting warriors in there to go. up against entrenched interest. >> Okay. So, they're much more hopeful, optimistic, specific, specifically. speaking to the soda industry, trying to.

keep uh that kind of product in kids. lunches. Listen to him on Joe Rogan. We're going to do two sound bites back. back toback. Let's play 16 and then 15. >> Tony Freezio is one of the most powerful. people in the country. He's Trump's. chief pollster, very good friends with. Susie. um he is on the outside the whole. time and every single policy issue goes. through him because he tells the team. whether it's politically appropriate to. do or not based on his polling. He takes.

money from Pepsi. He takes money from. pharmaceutical companies. He takes money. from almost every single industry we're. fighting against right now to this day. So he's taking money at the same time. I. don't even know if President Trump fully. knows that. But um as we were fighting. things like school lunch reform and. getting an ultrarocessed food. definition, 90% of the country wants. this. We're going to define. ultrarocessed food. 70% of a child's. diet is ultrarocessed food. We need to. define it. We need to figure out what to. do there. It's a widely popular promise. from the administration. He is getting. paid by Pepsi and giving political.

analysis that the juice isn't worth the. squeeze on doing policies like that. As. simple as school lunch reform. Now, as. you might know, the FDA up until we just. closed it, uh, did not know what's in. our food. Doesn't know. It's been a full. self-p policing from the food industry. where they are able to self certify both. in the ingredients and importantly the. amount of the ingredient having an. impact or not. So, you have all these. things marketed to kids with high sugar. They're actually legally responsible for. having studies showing how the amount of. sugar that they're recommending for, you. know, daily use for kids actually.

doesn't harm kids. I I would imagine. they don't have that. they're legally. required to have that. This would open. up the door to start that conversation, getting the truth out. Not not nothing. regulatory. Um, we did a 60 minutes. We. got full White House approval. We went. through the inter agency process and we. were going to do a big initiative on. basic food safety asking whether the. amount of sugar in a children's diet was. appropriate. Um, and that's where Susie. told me, uh, we can't do that. I need. the sugar industry money.

So depressing. I believe every word. I. believe Cali I think he's a straight. shooter. Um that's why I say it's it's. dead. Maha's dead. They want they're. they're in exactly the same boat every. other administration has been in. The. money from big pharma or big a or big. sugar is more important to them than the. voters. They they they're more. interested in saving their own electoral. hides because the corporations have all.

the dough than they are in actually. changing things for the better in the. country. That's what Callie's trying to. say. Like if you could actually make. headway on some of these initiatives, the voters would show up for you with. for you. They would show up. You know, you you you could unite them, but you. refuse. You keep selling out for the. quick buck thinking if you get another. hundred million in your war chest, you. can put together another whole host of.

ads that are really going to take down. Talifico. And that's just that's not what. happened. The voters had their say this. time saying off. We see how grifty. you are. Corruption was rated higher. than any other issue. More people said. that that was their top like their. critical or most important issue than. any other issue. I I think it even beat. cost of living or at least tied. It was. 90%. Um so it didn't work and yet. they're they're not going to learn. They're not going to say, "Oh, okay. Now.

we will reject the money from Pepsi.". No, they're not. Especially with Cali. gone. >> Yeah. And big sugar has been a problem. for Republicans or actually it's been. kind of a sugar daddy for Republicans. for years and years. The Fonuel. brothers. It definitely influences our. policy towards Cuba. Tim Carney, Peter. Schweitzer have done good reporting on. this stuff from the right for very many. years. But I think what happened with. Maja is that we have this like whiplash. I love that you played those clips back. toback because it just took me back into. that moment uh early in the. administration, especially after Donald. Trump won in November of 2024 through.

January 2025. And I think about that. picture of Trump getting inaugurated. with all of these CEOs behind him, mostly tech CEOs, but you have Bezos, you have all these guys, Elon, they're. all behind him. And I think the message. then from Donald Trump was I have. conquered these oligarchs. The question. for me was always was it like that or. was it the other way around that they. were conquering him? And I feel like. more and more we're getting the answer. that he was the one that was conquered. And part of the problem is that listen,

one of the reasons I have a hard time. voting anymore, I'm not telling people. not to vote, but one of the reasons I. have a hard time voting is that I've. been here long enough and I just don't. know that anybody, and I sound as jaded. as Cali does there, but I don't know. that anybody can resist the structural. incentive system here in Washington DC. So what you need is somebody who runs on. a platform like drain the swamp and. makes it their mission to structurally. reform the way that the administrative. state works, the way that money and. politics works. But that feels almost. impossible.

>> So I have to say like I'm not blowing. smoke on Tucker, but I do think the. Tucker, Joe Kent, Thomas Massie, MTG. thing that's happening would resist it. I do. Maybe I'm being naive, but I do. think there's a collection of people. that are so angry about the Iran war and. the corruption and this that if. they could somehow rise to power with. donations from, you know, individuals, five and $10 donations, that kind of. thing, and possibly have independent.

wealth, they could do it. I don't I just. don't think that group Thomas Massiey's. proven he can't be bought and paid for. You know, I just Joe Kent, no way. His. wife was killed in one of these foreign. wars. he is not going to bend the knee. to the military-industrial complex and. he quit after Trump launched that war. Tucker, he's independent wealthy and he. could do it. Like I just think there is. a group that's bubbling up right now. that is, to quote the movie, mad as hell. and they're not going to take it. anymore. And I've been told by every. pundit who's come on here that I need to.

write them off that they can't do it. And I've told all of them I just I. wouldn't be so sure. Just think the mood. of the electorate is much more with. those guys than it is with any of the. traditional parties. >> Oh, it totally is. I mean, Gallup's. polling has found a record number of. people identify as independent in this. country. It's like 45% of the country. indepi identifies as independent. according to Gallup's polling, which. they've done over many, many years. And. so, I wonder actually like the whiplash. between 2024 and 2026. I wonder also if. we look back at 2028 on 2026 where you. have Democrats riding this wave and. feeling like they've now initiated a.

vibe shift and saying like making jokes. about woke being back and all that sort. of thing. If we look back in 2028 or. 2030 and Democrats are once again. feeling like they got left out in the. vibe shift because people right now are. totally um open to new discussions and. ideas and the old gatekeepers are their. power is like totally waning. People can. circumvent them with information like. Cali on Joe Rogan. I mean yes he went on. I think he also went on CBS and made. this message but it doesn't come across. like it does in a free- flowing two-hour.

conversation with Joe Rogan which was I. think a very very powerful glimpse. inside Washington. The only solution is to limit. government, not to change government. Changing the party from one to the next. is not going to do much. It's going to. accomplish very little. The only real. solution is to limit the power these. have over us so that they're not. in a position to exploit it to the. extent both of them have. That's truly. our only option at this point. and to.

hope that private industry can come up. with innovative solutions that we can. get behind. You know, like we can find. answers from geniuses who are in the. private sector who whose incentives are. known, declared and trackable, you know, just as opposed to what we're seeing in. government because we've been betrayed. by both parties. They both grift. They're all interested in lining their. own pockets as opposed to in helping.

actual suffering Americans. The. presidency has gotten way too big. The. executive branch is way too big. It's. bloated and it's disgusting. Like Shrek. the ogre. That's what the executive. branch looks like right now. It is. always meant to be small and humble and. limited. Congress, they're they've been. so feckless that all the bums got thrown. out. And we'll see. The new bums are. likely to be just like the old bums, just with a different grift. Sorry to be. so blackpilled, but that's really the. truth. So, the answer is to try to take. as much out of their hands as humanly. possible. Pray for gridlock. I'm in.

favor of that. And to shrink the. executive, to to elect somebody who. promises to shrink the executive and its. branches and and to be a humble governor. of the people. Um, okay. I want to keep. going because. I I almost never talk about this woman. because she's so disgusting and hateful. But like Emily, I've got to say, you know, you you and I do this all the. time. And there are a lot of hateful. characters on the left in particular. when it comes to things we care about.

And I cannot think of one, not a single. one, not this Jennifer Welsh, not not. one whose death I would celebrate. Truly, I I cannot I I don't really have. that in me. I have it in me to celebrate. the death of like a hardened criminal. who's murdering or attempting to harm my. children, you know, like that, I could. But like just a pundit who has different. political views from my own, even ones I. find quote hateful or, you know, really. objectionable. I just I I am never.

incapable of seeing their humanity. Um, I don't I genuinely don't understand. what's happening on the left with this. assassination culture thing and this. dehumanizing people on the right whose. views they disagree with. You know, all. their about feeling dehumanized. by a remark about Santa being white, which actually was said to me, >> a classic, >> right? Like that's such utter. And this stuff is actually dehumanizing. what they're doing. You know,

celebrating the murder of right-wing. pundits. Like, it's very, very dark. And. I wish I had some great insight on it, but I don't. I know it's absolutely. despicable. And that's what this woman's. been since she really emerged on the. national scene. So, her name is Jennifer. Welsh. We usually just call her the. angry podcast lady, but that is her. name. She's got a sidekick name kick. named Angie Sullivan who's just as. gross. and they made this so-called joke.

about Charlie Kirk on their podcast on. November 5th. Uh, Dad Mororrow says, "We're digging up. Charlie Kirk and doing it again.". I'm zooming into the box.

No comment. >> No comment. >> No comment on that. >> other than he was shot by somebody that. was super MAGA family. >> He was shot by a MAGA person. Okay. >> So, do that with what you will. >> Yeah. White person. White MAGA family. >> So, they're disgusting pigs. They are. like pig just trying to laugh it. up to get clicks with their audience. And I have absolutely no use for either. one of those total twits. Um but.

now they're getting their just desserts. because advertisers are starting to. leave them in droves. I mean like scores. of advertisers. And the reason the. advertisers are leaving is because this. wasn't a one-off. It wasn't one. thoughtless moment. I mean, it wasn't. even just one moment. They they laughed. for how many seconds there? They were. hysterical. They could barely get. themselves back under control. They. genuinely thought it was hilarious to. laugh about the assassination of a young.

man who's the father of two young. babies. Um, it's because this is their. brand. This is their bread and butter. This is a day ending in why for these. two on the very same show. This is what. that Jennifer Welsh said. S 28. I have. so much more hate to give towards him. I've barely even tapped into it. I would. say out of my potential of hating him. 100%. I'm only 10 to 15% there. I still.

have 85 more% to realize in these next. two terms. You have seen nothing yet. If. you think our measly 10 to 15% of hate. for this guy is you've never seen. anything like it, sit down and get your. popcorn fat ass cuz we are just. getting started. I can't even begin to. tell Sean Hannity how how much untapped. hatred Yeah. >> I have for Donald Trump and the MAGA. movement at large. I feel like I feel.

invigorated. Yeah. I feel like my god, I. can go I'm going to go. Here's 5% more. hate here. Here's three more percent. there. I will hate this. forever. Yeah. >> And ever and ever. And everybody that. voted for him. >> I want you to have healthcare. I want. you to have all that stuff. But if you. voted for Trump, I hate hate. I. hate you. And this is why we call her the angry. podcast lady. Um, Trump derangement.

syndrome really it corrods you from the. inside. It's very, very poisonous. It's. really, really disgusting. It eats away. your insides, your internal organs. It. starts with your heart, moves on quickly. to your brain, and then you can see. obviously it it eats part of your face. and makes your outside match your. inside. And the next thing you know, you're saying like that, like. openly about your fellow Americans. Um, then came the backlash because Turning.

Point started to tweet a lot about what. she had said and so did many of us. And. then they started to lose advertisers, one after the other after the other. after the other. And now they've lost 25. advertisers who want nothing to do with. this disgusting, toxic brand. And here. was her follow-up statement after she. tried to issue a paper statement quote. apologizing. It was a lie. It wasn't a.

real apology. It was um she didn't mean. to make light of gun violence. She she. didn't mean to make light of gun. violence. Nothing about Charlie's. humanity. Nothing about how genuinely. rattling and disturbing that was to most. sane Americans, never mind the right. wing, uh, who loved Charlie, but just. absolutely no thought for people's. humanity and what this is actually. doing. Not to mention Erica Kirk and his. children. Um, and then she must have.

heard from her little hateful minions. who watched that show and decided to. come out like, "Oh, I'm a badass now. Everyone can right off." And this. was the follow-up message we got in ST. 29. >> All right. There's a huge online. cancellation campaign from all the titty. babies over at Turning Point. Andrew, we're we're never ever going to sit down. and listen to you. When we apologize for. laughing at a joke on our podcast, that.

wasn't for you. That was for us because. somebody I love very much died from gun. violence two years ago and I just didn't. feel good about that. I don't expect you. to understand this because at turning. point y'all laugh at violence all the. time. For you to think that apology was. for you just exemplifies how out of. whack you are with where the American. people are right now. Let's grow this. thing and show Turning Point how. irrelevant they are. I don't think that.

her podcast is going away. I think. she'll plug it in and get subscriptions. and but what I am concerned about is. that there is an audience for this that. this is scratching the itch of some some. number. I don't know. They're never. ranked anywhere. I have to be honest. I. watch the podcast ranks. You're never up. there, sweetheart. And you never will be. with this brand. Um but some collection. of leftists is getting off to this and. that I do find deeply disturbing.

>> Yeah. She gets a lot of big interviews. and has really fashioned herself as more. than a podcaster but also an activist. and agitator for the party to go in a. much more progressive direction which I. mean it's all it's odd. It's a lot of it. is uh her anti-Israel sentiment that she. tries to channel into these interviews. with major politicians. But uh she she's. not just a comedian, right? Like she's. not chapo trap house. She's somebody. who's trying to actually be an activist. within the Democratic party and a. serious political commentator that gets. really big interviews. So I think. there's a significant difference. If.

your part in the if your part in the. political ecosystem, the ecosystem of. the discourse is a comedian, that's one. thing. If your part in the ecosystem of. the discourse is to be a like serious. podcast commentator slactivist trying to. nudge actively the politics of the. Democratic party in an ideological. particular ideological direction. If. you're part of that movement and you are. seen as a significant part of that. movement by the politicians who sit down. with you then yeah you're going to have. to you're going to have to reap the. consequences of this type of thing. And. I just like I don't like the idea of.

pressuring companies to make speech. related decisions. It's I just don't. like it. And I've seen it too many. times. I understand why that's happening. in this case particularly. It's not. because somebody said uh that, you know, a biological woman is not a man. Uh this. is over a joke about a political. assassination from somebody who wants to. see herself as sort of like the tip of. the spear for the Democratic party going. in a further left direction. And it's. just so sad. I mean, even her bringing. it saying, "It's not for you, Andrew. It's for us. It's about me. It's because.

I like" Like, it is all just profoundly. sad. She has built her personality. around anti-Trump politics, around. anti-conservative politics. Going back. to their days at Bravo, their entire. shtick was being anti-conservative. Christian, anti-eangelical Christian. They have built their entire lives. around that brand. And it has to be it. has to be so painful and exhausting and. sad. And I feel like you can see that. They would never admit to it publicly, but you can just see it. It's sad. It's. sad. They need something more fulfilling.

and positive to center their lives. around than this. Because going off. about how bitterly you hate. >> your fellow countrymen, how bitterly you. hate people who are also just trying to. do the right thing but disagree with. you. Like to have that much hate in your. heart, man. That's just a terrible way. to go about life. That sucks. I'm going. to pray for her tonight cuz that's. awful. >> Yeah. Same. Honestly, because that that. level of commentary I feel about that. level of commentary, those words, those. sentiments, that messaging, the way I. felt during COVID when we would walk.

around the streets of New York and. occasionally you would see a pile of. human excrement on the sidewalk, just. look away, like get away and look away. and try not to think too much about it. because it's just obviously something. happened there that is the dregs of. society and a sign of like serious. societal decay and like she's she's. obviously not a complete idiot, you. know, like she's got some thoughtful. things to say, I imagine. I don't know. Just the way she articulates her. thoughts suggests to me she's not a.

complete and could potentially be. actually using those powers for good, but has just gone to the most abjectly. abject hateful place one can go. Um, I. actually do feel sorry for her and and. for the weird little sidekick. >> that that's that'su. Resistance Diamond and Silk. That's what. they're really doing. >> Yes, I see it, too. Yes, exactly. The. Teeu like the cheap oneoff version of. the real deals. Um,

sadly, it's not limited to the no-name. podcasters who literally nobody's ever. heard of. Dave Chappelle was out there. this weekend in an absolutely disgusting. display and he's far more powerful than. these two losers. Also celebrating the murder of Charlie. Kirk. Um he was at Madison Square Garden. on Friday and here is what he said. S. 23. >> I feel up saying this.

It's scary being a public speaker. And and I I I mean, look, ever since. that guy Charlie Kirk got murdered, and I I shouldn't say this publicly, but. I feel better. >> I feel a human being. >> I know I shouldn't say that, but. >> it's just a feeling. >> I didn't ask to feel this way. You be. driving around like such a good.

loophole. >> I'm sure Charlie is looking up at us. right now laughing so hard. >> So, just in case you didn't think he. meant it uh or was out of context, there. he is following up saying, "Charlie's. looking up at us uh laughing, meaning. he's in hell." So, it's clearly a joke. about Charlie. He meant it and he's. openly saying I mean the irony that he.

began with it's scary to be a public. speaker. His fright came from he was. about to say something controversial. Charlie was a public speaker and got his. neck blown out. So Dave. Chappelle should take a moment to sit. back and think about what fear actually. looks like because it's people on our. side of the aisle who now genuinely have. to worry about that Not you, Dave. Chappelle. You were wanded like you were. going into a presidential event before. you went into Madison Square Garden to.

see him. Guess what? I'm sorry to break. it to you, but it's our people who are. being gunned down, who are literally. being shot at political events, including pundits, not just presidents, not just their supporters, but random. pundits out there speaking and having. respectful debate with people across the. aisle from them like Charlie. So you can. yourself, Dave Chappelle. Go. yourself. I'm so disgusted with him. What a pig. He's a pig. I dare him to.

come on this show and say it. Come on, let's let's go say it to somebody like. me. You can call me a racist. You can. say whatever you want to say. Come on my. show and have the balls to say it to. somebody who will fight back and who. will tell you what it felt like to love. the man who had his head blown off. You. It's unbelievable. His supporters first. tried to come out and say it was taken. out of context. It wasn't taken out of. context. When you hear the so so-called. context, Emily, it it makes it worse. He.

went on and on. Talked about what a. great mood he's been in every time he. thinks about Charlie getting his head. blown off. What an I'm sorry to. just resort to ad hom swear words, but. it's I just don't What else. conveys the level of anger that that. makes you feel? I don't feel sorry for. Dave Chappelle. I actually feel just. nothing but anger. He's had nothing but. gifts from this amazing country. The. people there, you could hear even they.

were groaning. They they weren't There. were a couple of laughs, but there was a. lot of groaning going on. And the woman. filming was like, "Come on, that's not. nice." And he doesn't care. Like he. thinks he's banking on being applauded. for that level of hate and yes, dehumanization. and he knows full well. Charlie's got two babies at home. wondering where their father is. There's. something wrong with Dave Chappelle and. these others who are continuously. celebrating the political assassination.

of an of a fellow American. >> Well, right now polling shows it. definitely is there there's definitely. more inclination to say or to agree with. political violence being justified to. justify political violence especially on. the young left. And so that is a a real. thing that people can go look up. There's research that shows that is most. prevalent in that cohort. Um, you know, with Dave Chappelle, I, if I'm not. mistaken, he actually was attacked on. stage when he was in this phase of his. career where he was pushing back on the. left and Charlie defended him. If I'm, if I'm remembering this correctly,

Charlie defended him over that, which is. the correct which is a correct position. Like, nobody I don't think it would be. right to, you know, call up Netflix or. Madison Square Garden and say, "Stop. hosting Dave Chappelle." I guess, uh, I'm I'm curious to hear the set. I've. been a fan of Dave Chappelle. That's. where he was attacked. >> Yeah. And so it's like what I mean is it. for me it's kind of a character question. like what point is he trying to make. with this joke? Is he making a joke that. he actually feels relieved uh at. somebody's political assassination that. it actually let off some type of.

pressure relief inside of him? Because. that's mystifying. I mean that's that's. actually definitely hard to understand. And I think it does speak to also how. the myth of Charlie Kirk that was really. attempted to be set by the left after. his assassination has taken hold in so. many p people's minds that he was. something that he actually wasn't at the. end of his life. Uh that he was a person. that he was a caricature that he when he. was assassinated the man was taking. questions from people who disagreed with. him. He said send your best libs to the.

front of the line. Uh and he was making. a concerted effort to engage in dialogue. and discourse with people. and he was. actually defending people like. Chappelle. So, I mean there just to me. that's another part of that part about. this that's sad is the the legacy of. Charlie is is in and of itself, you. know, part of our micro culture that if. you're in one silo, uh you're totally. resistant to some of the the truth and. the reality about what he was doing when. he was killed. I mean, actually, even in. the uh Angry Podcast Lady clip you. played, they're still saying that it was. a MAGA person who did this. They're.

still implying that there was. potentially some mega motive because the. story is just it's been completely the. narrative has been set for so many. people on the left in a way that's just. out of touch with reality. >> I do wonder if uh Dave Chappelle is. going to fall subject to the same. stadium cancellations that Ed Sheeran. had to face when Mmore opened for Ed. Sheeran and made some comments about. what's happening in Gaza. He got cracked.

down on by Robert Craft at Gillette. Stadium. You're not allowed to say that. Oh, he needs to be banned. Whatever. The. the blowback wound its way onto Ed. Sheeran, who was really just trying to. stay out of it, but was, you know, had. hired Mmore as an opener. Is this okay? You allowed to say this? I just like I. wonder does the next stadium in Ohio. just allow more of this? Do we do we. just It's fine. we're just gonna. platform this and we're gonna allow. because conservatives do go to see Dave. Chappelle. Like I'm sure there were a.

lot of people there who were not. expecting anything like this level of. discourse and um he just behaves with. impunity. Why? Because he's a black man. in America. Well, off. Because you. should be held to the same standards of. decency as everybody else. You're. disgusting. You're pathetic. And that is. actual dehumanization to have so little. care for the grieving relatives, for the. grieving millions, for the grieving. millions. Charlie led a movement. Charlie was important to a lot of us.

And honestly, to to celebrate his. murder, it's just in a league of its own. in terms of depravity. It really is. It's just it because of course what you. celebrate, you know, what you permit, you promote. That's what you're doing. You are promoting additional political. assassinations and effectively taking. the blood on your hands of what this. murderer unleashed and then to the nerve. of starting it with it's scary being a. public speaker. Oh, what a risk you're.

taking Dave Chappelle. What a risk in. saying something controversial as. opposed to somebody like Charlie who. actually went out there trying to. advance dialogue with the other side and. gave his life for it. like the. nerve, the irony, like the cluelessness. alert for somebody. Maybe he's not as. smart as I previously suspected. >> Well, I think he might genuinely be. reflecting a sentiment like we were. talking about earlier that is real. And. one of the reasons that well, we know. it's real. We've seen other people uh.

you know, show us clearly that it's. real. And I think that's one of the. reasons I don't like the idea of of. stadium boycotts. Like I don't want to. give Robert Craft more power over our. Overton window of political discourse uh. than average people. And that to me is. what's like most I don't know sad or. interesting about all of this is just. that we have millions of people who are. our fellow countrymen to persuade that. dehumanizing your political enemies and. justifying political violence like I go. back to that clip of Hassan after. as the actually as he learned that.

Charlie Kirk had been assassinated and. he is shock jawed he's pale in the face. slack jawed and pale in the fla face and. saying yo this is not good this is not. going to be good for us and I think uh. obviously ly he's moved on from that. moment. But that moment is just really. important to hold on to because when it. happens it's not funny. When it happened. nobody was laughing except for some true. sickos like teachers and nurses who were. laughing within like the first 24 48. hours. But like there are millions of. people around the country who now do.

have this justification in their hearts. for political violence. And that's. setting the stage for something that we. need to deal with because if we do not. deal with it, uh it is going to bubble. up to the surface and we will find. ourselves in a very like actually. violent situation here in the United. States on a daily rolling basis and god. forbid it gets to that point. But we. clearly have a lot of work to do at. pulling some of our fellow countrymen. back from the brink. I think about what we saw at like Jimmy. Carter's funeral, you know, where like.

Obama and W were joking around with each. other. And it's like those moments where. you see presidents from either side come. together and like yuck it up and glad. hand notwithstanding political. differences are so good for the country. They really are. They may infuriate the. most diehard partisans, but what they. show you and especially that's one of. the reasons why the peaceful transition. of power is so important and why it was. disgusting that Trump didn't let it. happen in 2020. But in any event, um.

that's really important because what it. shows the populace is we all fight very. hard for the politics that we believe in. and the policies we believe in. We fight. very very hard and politics is a rough. and tumble sport. Um but at the end of. the day, we come together. We're fellow. Americans and we understand that a lot. of that stuff is part of a game when it. comes from the politicians. When it. comes to ads and slogans and things like. Talifico, it's part of a game. It's not.

a pretty game. It's not a nice game, but. it's part of a game. And while the. policy battles are heartfelt, like you. mean them, you know, like take the life. issue. Like there's a genuine. disagreement between the two parties on. that one. Um it it doesn't make you hate. your fellow American that they disagree. with you on it. Like we we're still. Americans first. That's the way it's. been for the majority of my lifetime. And these people, these cretins are. letting that slip away. They're taking. it too far. They're it's not just like.

the demonization of their adversaries. It's the genuine hope that they'll be. murdered in the most disgusting, violent, upsetting fashion possible. And. that is something new. That is something. evil. And you're right. The bottom line. is we should pray for them. So I Okay, I. will I will pray for Dave Chappelle, too. You should pray for him because if. he comes on this show, it's not going to. go well for him. >> I'd love to see it. I would love to see. that. >> Oh, he's Oh, he's not man enough to do.

it. Are you kidding? He'll he would. claim, "Oh, whatever. It's beneath me. I'm not going to go on this whatever, you know, terrible person from Fox. News's show." That's not why. He doesn't. have the balls. He He is too afraid. He. will never say yes. Um too bad too. because that would be must see TV. Emily, I turn it over to you now. Piecing out 7 minute postgame show. I. bet it's going to be a be. Great to see. you, my friend. Thanks, Megan. >> All right, we are back tomorrow. We'll. see you then.