Presley Gerber Dead at 27, Plus Nikole Hannah-Jones Admits She Harmed Her Daughter's Education

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show. Happy Monday. A. lot of news to get to. Uh there are big. updates in the Lindseay Clancy case. I. mean, serious updates in that case. Yes, Patrick Clancy was on 60 Minutes last. night. We'll get to that. But this. morning, Kevin Readington, the defense. lawyer, really upped the ante on his. targeting of the lone hold out juror, Michael. And we will tell you exactly. what he's now demanding. It is. extraordinary. Just a little preview. He. wants the guy's phone records during the.

deliberations. He wants the actual phone. turned over. And he is really leaning in. to harassing this juror. Who will. protect Michael? Truly, he's got a. lawyer. I'm not sure that guy is going. to be able to protect him because he's. trying to get the court system to bear. down on this guy. It's obvious. intimidation. So, we will be getting to that in one. minute. Um, also Nicole Hannah Jones, you know, I Bay Wells is her uh.

exhandle. She's the author of the 1619. project. She, this what happened with. this woman yesterday was unbelievable. My team must have sent back and forth. about a hundred texts on this. She long. story short, and we'll get to it in the. long version when Stu Bergar joins us. next hour. She decided because she. needed to prove some story, some point. about racism to send her daughter to one. of, if not the worst public school in.

New York City where there were open. fights all the time, absolutely no. teacher presence, a shitty principal. according to her, reading and math. levels in the toilet. Her daughter. basically couldn't read next to that. level of despair. uh the tests weren't. being looked at by the teachers and she. just continued forward because whites. and racism. And finally, it took until her daughter. said, "What on God's earth did you do to.

me?" for her to realize that all the. dining out she'd been doing on the. daughter's misery, patting herself on. the back for being an anti-racist. and never is stewing a school that where. black and brown bodies struggle. Her daughter is below national reading. levels and math levels and so on levels. across the country. But Nicole Hannah. Jones feels really good about herself. And it took the daughter saying to the.

mom, "You up. You completely. screwed up my childhood." I Why did you. do this to me? She didn't change the. schools, but she did undereducate her. daughter and take away actual meaningful. opportunities that that kid could have. had. She humiliated herself so that she. it's the epitome of wokeism. where it's it's virtue signaling so that. they feel like a better person. You and.

I have talked about this countless times. that the whole point of wokeism is to. virtue signal so other people think. you're better than you are and then they. are. That's wokeism in a line. It's based on identity politics. But. that's what she did. Only here, the. person she was hurting wasn't some. terrible white conservative. It was her. own child. And now we're supposed to.

give her points for breaking the update. in her column. You know, like, oh, yay. Good for her for for owning it. Coleman. Hughes, who I love, was making that. point. Wrong. I'm sorry, but absolutely. wrong. She had to because the daughter. insisted on getting out of these. schools. And Nicole Hannah Jones was. still lecturing all over the country on. how great she was for sending her there. She had no choice but to be honest about.

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here on the MK show with all of you. You. may remember it. Poor Presley Gerber, the son of supermodel Cindy Crawford and. entrepreneur Randy Gerber, is dead today. at the age of 27. TMZ reporting that he died Sunday at a. rehab facility, citing the Los Angeles. County Medical Examiner. And just before. we came to air, TMZ updating its report, adding that his death, Presley Gerbers,

was the result of an apparent overdose. An autopsy has not yet been conducted. They report that he was at a facility. that [clears throat] had a rehab. facility and allowed at least. some to stay on campus in their own. housing, which is, you know, I don't. know, questionable. I mean, I will tell. you, having had someone I love in a. rehab facility, they would never have.

allowed that. It was important for. everyone in the facility to be together. where you could keep a very close eye on. them and you couldn't even like I tried. to bring a care package to my loved one. and you could not bring in anything that. could even arguably possibly be used as. a drug like hairspray you know like. nothing. So, I got a lot of questions. about how he ODed.

in a rehab facility. And my guess this. morning, knowing nothing is that it has. something to do with the fact that he. was at this outpost on the facility as. opposed to under what is lock and key. when you go into these facilities. I mean, in the case of my own loved one, there was a an inhosp detox, which is, you know, I'm not a drug rehab expert, but all of the ones I've spoken to have.

told me that that's a must. They have to. go inatient for the detox period because. it's genuinely physically dangerous to. them, drug addicts. If you just go cold. turkey, it's not a matter of like, you. know, boots up, let's do it. No, it's. dangerous. And then at the end of that. they can go directly into a treatment. facility where it is basically lock and. key. You go involuntarily but you're. saying keep me keep me for 30 days. and they do keep you under lock and key. and they do screen anything.

coming into that room. So how did this. happen? I mean including your person and. your pockets and your pocket book or. your wallet whatever. Like there's just. no way he walked in with it. So did. somebody bring it to him? I guess there might have been a way he. walked in. Did he smuggle it some? I I. don't know. But the the point of the story is that. Presley Gerber is dead at age 27 and he. shouldn't be. He was himself a very. successful model. He was signed in 2016. He was born in.

99. So he was 17 years old and signed by. IMG models. Uh he did work for Calvin. Klein, Dolce and Gabbana. He was named. model of the year within two years of. hitting the industry. He, like his. mother and his sister, was stunningly. gorgeous. But he also struggled with addiction and. mental health issues for years. He got a. DUI in 2019. when he was still legally too young to.

drink, but was doing so, tattooing the. words misunderstood. on his face. Look at this. on his face under his right eye in 2020. I mean, that says a lot. When your 21-year-old. son is getting a face tattoo and the. word he chooses to tattoo is. misunderstood, you've got serious.

problems in your family. That's an all. hands- on deck situation. He later got it removed. Presley's lengthy Instagram video from. November of last year caught our. attention and we at that point did. devote a fair amount of time to this on. the show. It's not like Presley Gerber. is at the top of everybody's minds, but. everybody knows who Cindy Crawford is. and they're getting to know her daughter. who was two years his junior. um Kaia. Gerber, who also revealed in a Vogue.

magazine interview in August, uh that. that she. is big into psychedelics. And there's. nothing wrong with psychedelics. They. can really help you like as a therapy, as I don't mean like, yeah, let's. everybody shroom out. Uh but I'm we've. talked a lot on on the show about how. psychedelics in a controlled form under. the care of a psychiatrist can be life. changes changing for a lot of people. Um, and you you remember, you know, we.

we well, we've done long full shows. about this. So, but she's also. struggled. Okay. So, we're going to get. to all of that, but I'm going to show. you this very long sound bite. Listen to. every word. This was Presley almost a. year ago, November of 2025. And within 10 months, he would be dead. All righty, folks. Let's just give you. an update.

Feel like honesty is the best policy. So, um, long story short, where I'm at. currently, I'm on 1 milligram of. bupinorphine, which is what's in suboxin. Suboxin has. nlloxxone in it. Um, which is what. narcan is, but that does I don't there's. something weird about that where. we can get into that another time. Long. story short, I'm on 1 millig of. bupinorphine twice a day, morning and. night. Sometimes a little more if I need.

it. The benzo have been fluctuating up and. down depending on what's been going on. in my life. Uh, unfortunately, I've had. a lot of loss. um. in many different forms recently. So. that is not an excuse but it's the. reason or a part of why I am where I'm. at now. So it's that which is a partial. agonist opiate Ben uh bupinorphine.

then the benzo Xanax um a little bit at. night or when the panic attacks are. really really bad I try to take a as. little of that as possible. Um, the. Valium I take a little bit in the. morning or not. I don't know if it's a. little or a lot. Who knows anymore. All. these doctors say a lot of different. things. So, it's kind of scary. But, um, hopefully between my research.

and their research and the world and. God, we can figure this out. So, um, yeah, trying to stabilize them just. Valium so it's not two different benzos. Then. anti-depressant wise, I don't think it's. an SSRI. It's not. It's something else, but it's similar to an anti-depressant. I take well, I just jumped up from 15 to. 22.5 mg of mortazzipene, which is called. Remron as well.

And then I take Prazisonin. Uh, prazisonin is a blood pressure. medication also used to treat uh, night terrors and PTSD and that kind of. stuff. I get a lot of night tears. So, I. take one to four milligrams of that at. night. It's been one, but that's not. cutting it. So, I think I'm going to. start upping it to like two, three. The. things that scare me are the things that. you need to take. So, once you start. taking them, if you don't take them, something not good happens. Obviously,

there's a spectrum there on how intense. the quote unquote withdrawal from. certain medications is, but. yeah, so it's those three meds really. I. guess four if you're counting the Xanax, but three classes of medications. Oh, no, four. Blood pressure, opiate, benzo, anti-depressant. Then I have like the comfort meds which. I try to save for when I'm doing cuts.

Meaning, okay, this week we're dropping. a little bit on your benzo or we're. dropping a little bit on the opiate, whatever that is. Um, that's like. gabapen, hydroxazine, colonodine, stuff. like that. It sucks because I don't have. as much direction as I would like to. have. I'd like doctors to be like, "Hey, dude, you take this three times a day. you take this at 10:00 a.m., you take. this at noon, and you take this at, you. know, 9:00 p.m. But every psychiatrist. I've had, and I've had like 15, they're.

all just like, "Well, here's 20. medications, and take this if you feel. like this. Take this if you feel like. this. Take this as needed. Take this.". And I'm like, "No." Like, don't give me. that much. leeway. I need some direction. So, um, I'm just trying to work out and sauna. and take baths and I don't know, hopefully find a good community of. people that can be good influences on me.

as I've grown up in Hollywood and, you. know, there's a lot of people I'm around. that I love to death, but. right now I uh try not to be around. them. I want to say. uh my last drink though on a good note. was on my birthday. So I haven't had uh. alcohol in. a couple of months which is that is no. longer serving me. And prior to that I.

think it was like a year or a year and a. half. I just didn't really wasn't. talking about that as much. Um but. anyways, yeah, like one or two nights maybe of. drinking in the last few years. So, um. that's where I'm at. Um ketamine. Ketamine. I do the um the. NAD. uh and ketamine drips out in Vegas. sometimes. sometimes here in California.

Typically, I use them more for when I'm. like detoxing if I'm having to do like a. hardcore detox, which I'm hoping not to. ever do again and do more of a tapering. thing, but I'm just looking for a doctor. that's going to actually help me taper, not just keep me on some stuff. So, uh there's that. Yeah. Um I definitely. uh probably use that more than I should. Um it es and flows.

Uh yeah, sometimes it's not in a. clinical setting. Um but I feel I've. gotten to a place with it where yeah, it's not serving me any longer. So. anyways, that's the update on my life. Um I'm. hoping this reaches people in many ways. A so you feel like you're not alone. because that is how I feel most of the. time. And I have a feeling if I say all. of this, a lot of people will not will.

at least know that there's someone else. going through it. Um, and the second thing is is hopefully I. find some people out here that are. willing to help and or are people that. know someone that can help. So, that's. my update. Thank you all for being patient with me. with the Mental Health Monday stuff. Uh, you know, life comes in different ways.

at different times. So, had to take a. little break. But anyways, that's the. update. Um, I'm in the sauna. It's 175°. I set it to 200. It's taking a minute, but that's where I'm at now. It's. Monday. Um, I don't know the date. It's Monday. something. It's almost December or maybe. it is. But happy Thanksgiving or post. Thanksgiving everyone. I know the. holidays could be weird as hell and yes.

they were for me too. So. love y'all. Peace and love and uh. hopefully we can. I don't know head in a direction or get. somewhere with all this. So yeah. Adios. gone too soon. at 27. So, how does this happen? How does.

somebody with all of life's advantages. seemingly. die of a drug overdose in a rehab center. before his 30th birthday? He had beauty. He had. money. He had from all accounts loving parents, a sister who adored him. He had success, I mean crushing it in the modeling. industry. He had a great education in.

his, you know, K- through2 schooling. He. had access to very powerful people, including his own parents. His dad is by. all accounts a billionaire, both thanks. to his he had a line of nightclubs. He. would he would. He would get like own the nightclubs in. fancy hotels um and sort of cache bars. and drinking areas and then of course he. with his buddy George Clooney started.

Casamigo's Tequila and sold it for a. reported billion dollars. So not to. mention Cindy Crawford's money. So how. does this happen? I mean is are those. the reasons? Are all of those the. reasons that he became a drug addict? I. don't know is the answer. I don't know. this family, but I did learn a lot when. we did this deep dive on Presley Gerber. last year after I saw that Instagram. post and said, "This is not going to end.

well." Um, the number of medications he. cited, you know, I I was just looking. them up, virtually every single one of. those a side effect is drowsiness. Now. you tell me if you're taking five or six. meds at once, all of which have a side. effect of drowsiness and you are already. a depressed person, what that could do. to you. You know that the not like. everything was a drug cocktail and you. heard this guy begging to get off of it. But hold on before I get to that before. I get to the drug cocktail and what the. system does to anybody who expresses any.

statement about depression, which is. medicate them immediately. He was begging in that video to be. titrated off of it, but couldn't seem to. find a doctor to help him. That's what. he was saying. I mean, explicitly. But prior to that, what was Presley. Gerber's life like? Growing up the child. of two people who seem in love, um, who by all accounts aren't drug. addicts themselves, but we don't know.

that, to be honest. And Kaia Gerber also. told Vogue in August that her mother has. always been a very private person. She's. got her obviously her public persona, but that she doesn't out the family. problem. So, I mean, the truth is we. don't know. I I have no reason to. believe it. So, well, he has he told us. He explained. um what it was like growing up and the. thing that that brought him the most.

happiness when he was a young boy uh an. adolescent. Listen here on stop 4. I just think it's there's something to. be said about when I started working, [clears throat] which was like around. the age of 14, and I started traveling. and I stopped doing like all this, you. know, I was maybe in New York shooting. something or I had to do a thing in. Europe at like, you know, this is more. like 15, 16, but the what I'm trying to. say is the less activity that was in my.

life, especially for me, the ocean, like. the more medication. I found having to be integrated into my. life. And the more it I just the quality. of life rapidly decreased with a. decrease in natural endorphins and. dopamine and that kind of stuff. Like I. had to start making money. I had to. start I got a job. I mean I was working. at a smoothie place by the time I was. 14. And I'm not saying that, oh, I. shouldn't, you know, they should have.

just my my parents should have just let. me surf all day and d. what would the outcome have been? I. don't know. But I can say for sure uh. and I' I still firmly believe by, you. know, this because there's data, activity is important. Um, and if you're. someone who likes dopamine, adrenaline. and physical activity is a very. important thing to integrate in your. life. And I think that you will be a lot. happier if you do it. It's also I mean. it's something to be said about the more.

that we've evolved as a human race, the. more things we've needed to survive. I. mean like you think about. and I'm not going to give dates because. history is not my forte, but I'm talking. back a while ago when we weren't living. in structures like this and drinking. things out of cans. We needed a whole lot less. And I just. think that there's something to be said. there. >> He talked about how what he loved most.

prior to his modeling career was surfing. and water polo and about how he used to. spend an average of 10 hours on many. days in the water either playing water. polo which is a demanding sport. I. actually just realized that water polo. is played in the deep end of the pool. That's how clueless I have been about. that sport. But yeah, I mean, think of. the shape you have to be in in order to. be an excellent water polo player. And. apparently he was. And also an excellent.

surfer. I mean, that's every muscle in. the body, especially when you're surfing. out there in California where the waves. come, they come regularly. Um, and he. was loving it. I don't know what he's. talking about. I I had to get a job at. age 14 selling smoothies. I mean, it's. possible his parents were trying not to. raise someone who was a freeloader, you. know, who felt their wealth and thought. everything would be handed to him. It. seems odd to me that any parent would. tell a 14-year-old, "You must work." Um,

or else, I don't know what really. happened there, but he himself pointed out the endorphin. flow he got, the natural serotonin boost. he got from surfing and being in the. water, whether it was water polo or or. on the ocean. and that that all stopped. when he got commercialized. There he is. with his little sister, Kaia. And let's. face it, both kids were commercialized. He said he was signed when he was 15. Kaio was signed when she was 13 to these.

major modeling agencies. And Cindy Crawford of all people should. have known the dangers of that. She should have known the dangers. I. mean, not for nothing, but with his good. looks, that gorgeous face and the bone. structure and all that, and you've got a. teenage boy being sent over to New York, to Europe, Hollywood, and he remarked. several times about how bizarre it was. to grow up in Hollywood. And you better.

watch him. There are predators in that industry. predators in modeling, in music, in. Hollywood. We know this. I mean, we all know this. So, something very damaging happened to. Presley Gerber along the way. And I. don't know what it was. I only know what. he told me in the videos that I've.

watched and that some of which you've. seen. He missed his active childhood. It. doesn't sound like he really wanted to. be a model. And when you hear many. interviews of him talking about his time. as a model, it's very rare that he was. talking about it in auditory terms. Here's just one example. Uh here 5B. speaking to the Studio 22 podcast in. 2023. >> I did my first job. I did my I was. signed to IMG at.

15 years old. I think my sister was 13. We got scouted and signed like the same. day. Getting thrown into the modeling. industry, it's like you sink or swim. That's like bottom line. So, you just. you you're thrown into it and you. immediately have to know how everything. works. I remember within the first week. of signing, I'm like in New York, people. are taking pictures of me like shirt. off. I'm like, this is, you know, like. just my whole life changed within a.

month. And like it was just it was a it. was just a very profound experience. because I had to grow up quickly. All of. a sudden I'm in social media school and. I'm sitting in a class where I'm. literally being told how to answer. questions. When people tell you when. people ask you this, we want you to. respond with this. When people ask you. this, we want you to speak like this. And you know, obviously I've clearly. forgotten a lot of those [laughter]. skills, you know, over the years, but it.

was, yeah, like you said, it was uh it. was interesting being thrown into that. mix where you're around now these. celebrities and we were definitely some. of the younger ones at the at the. agency. >> Can you imagine? I mean, honestly, can you imagine. putting your 13-year-old and 15year-old. in modeling? I I just I just think it's a reckless. decision. I I think it's known to be a. terrible industry. It's the same as.

putting them into singing. The odds are. overwhelmingly. against them growing up to be well. people. And look, this is just my and I. I have nothing but empathy today for. Cindy Crawford and Randy Gerber. Nothing. but empathy for them. I'm sure they are. in the depths of despair. They've issued. a statement confirming that he died and. asking for privacy. They don't want to. make any public statements or be asked. for them. And I don't blame them. This. is for the rest of us. This is this is.

not about how they parented necessarily, though in part it is. I don't think it. was a good idea to put young children in. modeling, but it's really about parents. who in general are allowing their. children to grow up or forcing them to. too soon. 13 years old, 15 years old, going to. Europe and doing modeling contracts and. doing social media school where you. learn what how how you have to present, which is not your authentic self. Hint.

hint. and being thrust into a vapid. toxic empty industry where the only. thing that is prized is your outward. appearance. No one gives two shits what. your inner strength is, what your inner. beauty is, what your inner wind wisdom. is. They couldn't care less. I mean, back when I would occasionally. go and have a magazine shoot when I was. at Fox and so on, the models were. talking about how they would have three.

like they they cater these events and. the the models would have three little. tortoillinis like the little tiny ones. that you might serve in a bowl of pasta. and they would they would use a knife. and a fork to cut them up and eat them. as a meal. I mean, that's chain smoking. and he talked about how he began smoking. at rehab. He said because that's what. one does. So he was already in and out of rehab. He said he was an addict by the time he. was 18. Um now that would have taken a while. So.

let's assume 17 is when at the latest. the drinking and the drugs began. So it. took two years of him entering the. modeling industry for him to become an. addict and three for him to need. inpatient rehab. I mean, this is not a. win. Not a win. And you listen to what he said in that. message, which he later deleted, the. long one that we played at the top of. the hour. People magazine reported that. he later deleted it. And what was he.

saying? I feel alone most of the time. I. I'm hoping to find a good community of. people that can be good influences on me. as I've grown up in Hollywood and you. know there's a lot of people I'm around. that I love to death but right now I I. try not to be around them. Who did he mean? Who is that? I don't He was a grown man.

He talked about loving his family and. being close with his family. He referred. to them as his best friends at one. point, but also said, "I feel alone most. of the time." And was begging, begging. for somebody to step in and help him. taper off the drugs. I'm just looking. for a doctor that's going to actually. help me taper, not just keep me on some. stuff. I mean the number of medications. that he listed in that this is when he.

was not considering himself an addict. Suboxone, that's a drug um that helps. opioid addicts wean off the opioid. So. it's almost like a teeny tiny dose of. opiate that will help you not go max on. on the opiate addiction. It's actually a. miracle drug. They talk about it in drug. sick or dope sick, but unfortunately it. will show up on a blood test and some. employers won't hire you if you're on.

that, which is like effed up for an. addict. Um, nlloxxone. was one that has um. he said fast acting emergency medication. used to temporarily reverse the. life-threatening effects of an opioid. overdose. I think he means Narcan is. where I mean that's another name for it. which he had on hand. Um, mnta or mirror. mir sorry mirazine prescription. anti-depressant. Uh, Remaron prescription. anti-depressant.

Prazoin prescription medication used to. treat high blood pressure but also. addresses night terrors which is what he. said he was using it for. Ketamine a. versatile chemical compound primarily. used in medicine and veterinary care as. a disassociative anesthetic and. painkiller. Ketamine can also be used in. these like a psychedelic would be used. although like Sean Ryan was saying it's. not it's not the best like there are. other psychedelics that they've shown. more success for in treating depression. um bzzoazipines including Valium and.

Xanax um that he was on that he really. didn't want to be on I mean it was his. whole life was spent drugged drugged. drugged and more drugged. um he. he. would eventually after. So that was the. the thing about um. talking about how his life changed. dramatically. That was in 2023 when he. talked about um the rush that he got. from being in the water. I think that.

was the July. It was July a year ago. Then he did the November post that we. began the show with. Now, by the time um. we got to March of 2026, he was struggling again because he. posted something online about Iba Gain. And this is the drug that Joe Rogan. worked with Trump to make more. accessible in particular to veterans. because they've had a lot of success.

turning around depression um with our. military veterans on it. And what he. posted online um was. Hold on a second. Uh, yeah. Quiet moment. before everything changed. I was. absolutely terrified and I knew I would. be again if I ever had to face something. like this. Helps to not go into. situations you do that get you there, but that's life sometimes. Not totally. understanding either. He writes, "My. mantras were love yourself and it's got. to be the last time for this reason.

Letting go of control didn't come easy, but I trusted there was something bigger. than me guiding it. I knew why I was. there. I faced what I had been running. from and somewhere in all of it, I. started finding my way back to myself. We shall see. Praying it's the last time. I have to come back. Next time I'd like. to choose. And absolutely can't forget. the incredible, caring, kind, and on. their team. Helps a lot. Haha. And. I made some dope ass friends there. And. then I rewiring our brains. Love. yourself.

So it appears that he went to a Mexican. treatment clinic a s and received a. single highdosese administration of the. naturally occurring psychoactive. substance ibane. This is derived from an. African shrub and is reported that it. helps withdrawal symptoms. It the high. dose is designed to induce a profound. reset. Again it's used for depression. He posted a video online of him getting. treatment at this facility. He hears.

what that looked like. There's no sound, but it's a small woman. standing in front of him. First, they. seem to be praying or meditating, and. then she's lighting a bunch of very. smoky incest. incense [laughter]. um right around his face, ears, head, and so on. And he's kind of standing. there receiving her blessings, karma. I. don't know. After this happened, every.

member of his family weighed in online. His dad, Randy Gerber, I'm so proud of. you and your courage. Facing what's hard. takes real strength and watching you. find your way back to yourself is. everything. I love you so much. Thank. you, Pops, and learned it from you. Ka, that's my brother and I am so down damn. proud. Presley, love you so much. Cindy. Crawford, you are a warrior. Walked. through the fire to find yourself. So. proud. Presley, love you, mama. Um, obviously it didn't work. Ka Gerber, as.

I mentioned at the top, was apparently. also using some sort of. um therapeutic modalities is what Vogue. reported. Kaya they write comma who has. pursued multiple therapeutic modalities. and is a champion of psychedelic therapy. in particular is deep is deeply proud of. her brother. My parents for most of our. lives were very very private and did not. share anything. And now we have this.

absolute teacher my brother who says I'm. going to be very human for everyone. There's only so much you can hide from. the world, she says. And trying to put a. lid on something just makes the person. feel like you're ashamed of them. So, she seems to be revealing something. about Presley's feelings about the. parents preference for privacy. She also. said that, quote, "Her older brother, Presley Gerber's decade long struggle. with drug addiction appears to have. provided a sort of foil as Kaia was. discovering who she was. When something. like that happens in a family, she said,

it kind of levels everyone. I think. that's also why I started to started to. self-identify as the easy one and never. wanted to ask for help because it felt. like too much to have two children who. were needing. And yet what they seem to. have is a girl who's two years younger. than Presley, now 25, who's been. modeling for 12 years, who herself was. thrust into the same environments at an. even more tender age than her older. brother and already has had to result to.

multiple therapies. Not to mention many. very public, if you ask me, precocious. relationships with men who are older and. much more sophisticated than Kyle was at. the time she was dating them in a way. that I think would make most mothers. raise an eyebrow. Um, it all comes back to the same thing. Your child doesn't need to become model. of the year.

She doesn't need to become a singer like. Northwest on stage at age 13 with. multiple piercings and hoping for. another one in between the eyes. Your child doesn't actually need to pay. the bills when they're 15 years old. And. they don't have to actually choose a. profession that they can choose once. they become an adult at 18 or god forbid. 21 when heaven forbid they may have lost. a few years of income or building a name.

for themselves. What they actually do. need is time with you. That's it more than anything else. They. need time with a loving parent. And you can be as loving as you want, but if you are flying all over the. world, working on your own career, your. next billion dollar deal, it's really. tough to put in the time that is needed.

to raise a well child. It just is. And. too many parents forget this, you know. And then on top of it, you create. busyiness in your adolescence schedule. like that. like that level. Dr. Leonard Sax has. come on here. So have other parenting. experts talking about it's no excuse to. say, "Oh, he's got, you know, whatever. practice. That's why we can't have. dinners anymore during the week nights.".

Then you eat late. You eat late. You eat. at 8:00 at night. That's what you do. And you make sure that you sit around. the family dinner table if at all. possible. You know, there are some. families that literally cannot do it. because they're working two jobs and the. parents are not home. Even those. families have to try to find a way. Have. the meal in between the jobs. Do. something because you're setting your. kids up for failure. They need time with. a loving parent. Even if you are sitting. there on the couch next to each other,

you're both reading a book, you're both. watching a television program, you're. watching a movie. Doesn't always have to. be interactive, but they do need time. with you. And you know, the push, and I've seen it. too, like the push to make sure your kid. is the most popular, you know, doing the. most provocative things is not a wise. one. Let them be young and relatively. sheltered as long as humanly possible. Before you know it, they will be off on. their own. They actually will be 18.

They'll either go to college or they'll. enter the work world or they'll just go. gappy or what have you and they won't be. with you anymore. And then your chance. to make that imprint. And more than. that, it's not about you imprinting you. yourself or your values on your child, though it's in part about that. But just. the wellness that comes from immersing. yourself as much as you possibly can in. a loving, supportive environment with. people you trust and who trust and love. you will be gone. You can't get it back.

once it's gone. Remember when Leonard. Sax came on and he took calls? This is. early on in our tenure on the show. He. took calls and there was a very sad. parent who called in about her daughter. who was saying that she was trans. And. the daughter, I think, was 19 or 21, right around there. And he said, "I'm. sorry to tell you that it's too late. I. I can't help you. It's too late." It was It was crushing. We were all very sad about the exchange.

He wasn't trying to be mean. He was. trying to be honest. There's no there's. no doovers. Now's the time. And if you. haven't been doing it, it's not too late. for you either. If your kids still in. your home, do it. The modeling career. can wait. The music career, all of it. can wait. And you know what? Your family. dinner can wait. If your kid has. obligations that keep him or her out of. the house during the traditional dinner. hour, the hell the Europeans eat at nine.

o'clock every night. We can try that. We. can try that system for a time. But do. what you have to to get time in with. your child. You do not want to get a. call like the one the Gerber family got. yesterday. Um my. my prayers are with them. I'm very sorry for their loss. And speaking of loss, Patrick Clancy. went on 60 Minutes last night with his.

new wife and had quite a few big reveals. about his experience. First of all, we. knew that his baby Ken, his. eight-month-old, who Lindsay did kill. Um, there was Callen, there was Dawson, who's three, and there was his oldest. child who was five, his daughter. and. Callen lived for 4 days after she. strangled him and he spoke to what.

happened during that time and the moment. Ken actually died seven. So I didn't. have all the details of Ken's condition. I just knew that they got a heartbeat. back. So, I remember um that night I I I really. thought there was a chance that Ken. would live. And I I remember just. thinking just give me one, just give me. one kid. And I would raise him as best I. could and I would give him the best life. I possibly could. And I tell him about.

his brother and sister. And I was. holding out hope for that. And then when I got to the hospital, I. saw the doctor. I saw the look on her. face and and I knew that it it wasn't. going to be a a good prognosis. >> Callen's heart kept beating for 4 days. I'm so grateful for those four days that. I had with him. and I'm so grateful he hung on.

>> Did you talk to him in those four days? >> Yeah. >> Can you tell me anything you said? I said, "I'm so sorry.". And I got to I got to hold him. I got to lay down next to him. And he died in my arms. It's so awful. I I I can't help feeling that it's I.

shouldn't be hearing it. I can't help. feeling that it it is definitely not my. business the last words between a man. and his son. Um I'm I'm not exactly sure. what the purpose of going on 60 Minutes. was, but it was absolutely. heart-wrenching. The people who think Patrick Clansancy. did it, you know, it's like again, you. guys know how I feel about conspiracy. theories. I just don't spend time on. them. I wish somebody had told him he. didn't need to either. He didn't need to. go out there and say he didn't kill his.

ch children or show people that he's. normal and that he you know it's like. I'm not sure I'm not sure what this is. about. But obviously he had something he. wanted to say and you know it's that's. that's for him to decide. He was asked about whether he whether. Lindsay has asked for his forgiveness. This was very telling. Watch ST 8. I saw. headlines that said, you know, killer. mom and baby murderer, monster, and none.

of them were accurate. I believe that it. was her mental illness that caused that. So, I shared those words. And I think. when it comes to forgiveness, I also. felt that if I didn't get there, I would be eaten up inside forever. >> Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? Um, I asked her if she remembered it. >> And what did she say? >> She said it was like a dream. And.

uh, she remembered it much in the way. you would remember a dream after waking. up. >> Do you feel like you failed in some way. in this period or do you feel like you. did the best you could? >> I think I did the best I could with what. I had at the time. and I live with the outcome. I live with. it every day. Has she ever asked for. your forgiveness? >> Um, no. But I gave it to her.

>> So, she's never asked him for. forgiveness. How about that? That is stunning to me. I mean, aren't. we told that she's like doing better now. cuz she's on the meds. The voices are. gone. Why would she not ask for. forgiveness? To me, that's evidence of cold-hearted. indifference, which is the case that we. were making, those of us who support who.

supported the murder charges. Um, that's stunning to me. He's correct, though, that, you know, forgiveness is a. poison you give to yourself. Sorry, resentment. is a poison you give to yourself. and. not forgiving hurts you more than it. hurts the person who hurt you. So, good. for him for finding the strength to do. that. He did talk about the panic attack. he had before they played that terrible. 911 call in court. This is moments.

before he was going to go on the stand. and they were going to play it and he. knew it would be horrific. Watch. >> Testifying is very difficult. On the. second day, a lot of that was focused on. the night of January 24th. We did take a. break right before they played the 911. call which I knew was going to be just. horrific and I went to a back room and I. started having this massive traumatic. panic attack. My heart was pounding and.

they put me in an ambulance. They. offered me some medication but I said I. I don't want it cuz I want to go back. and I want to finish this so I can be. done with this. I went back and I. finished the testimony. I'm sure that took herculean strength, honestly. Um, but they had to play it. They had to they had to show the jury. how horrific the scene was. That was an. element of the first-degree murder. charge. Like, they had they they had to.

do it. I would have done it as a. prosecutor, too. The difficulty that. that put on him is a possible reason why. Tim Cruz, the DA, could yet come out and. say, "I'm dropping this down to a charge. that we can both agree on." You know, a. voluntary manslaughter, a seconddegree. murder would allow her to go in front of. a judge instead of a jury. But that to. spare the family the pain of testifying.

is often, you know, you see it in child. abuse cases all the time, a reason why. DAs will lessen the charges. And Patrick. Clancy's been through a lot. Uh he's. been through a lot, not as much as his. children were put through. So he may. have to do it again. But oh, it's just the whole story is so dark, you know. Gosh, the first hour has been. dark, but hopefully. probitative of making different choices. Like if your spouse is in a depressive. state and says anything about having.

thoughts of hurting your children, it is. a hard no before that spouse can spend. any alone time with them. Any any. That's what this case shows us. He was. asked about that. I'm going to play you. that soundbite after the break. And also. we met the wife and found out something. about their family. When we come back, Stu Berg is here. We'll finish up that. discussion and talk about the new. harassment by Kevin Readington of the. hold out juror which is just stunning.

the ferocity with which he is going. after this hold out juror who again. whose sin was he didn't vote along with. the others. This is he's starting a. dangerous new president. We'll talk. about that and we'll do the Nicole. Hannah Jones update. Uh stay tuned. Lots. more to get to. Hey, thanks for watching today's full. episode. If you're new here, throw us a. subscribe. See what you think. Stay in. touch. There's plenty more goodness.

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>> Great to see you as well, Megan. Thanks. so much for having me. >> Um, the pleasure is all mine. So, we. left off in the middle of looking at the. 60 Minutes interview with Patrick. Clancy, and I didn't get to this sound. bite of Patrick and his new wife, Dr. Rachel Danis, um, with some news. Sot 10. here. And you guys are starting a family. >> Yeah. >> What are you going to tell your child. about. their brothers and sister? I think every.

parent can agree. You have different relationships with. your kids, but they're all your kids. And. I can't wait to tell them about their. brothers and sister. Oh man, that's dark, too. I mean, I know. it's supposed to not be dark, but that's. dark. So, she's expecting a baby right. now. Uh, which is one of the the reveals. there. I don't know, Stu. I just feel.

like why why are they on camera telling. this story? I just feel like this is the. worst tragedy that could possibly happen. to a parent. Who who would blame them. for staying private? is stewing the. national spotlight, going about their. business. You know, conspiracy theorists. can think whatever the hell they want. about them. I mean, they think that I'm. Nicole Brown Simpson reincarnated. There's no talking people out of these.

beliefs. Or maybe not reincarnated, that. I'm I'm the original her and she was. never killed. I don't know what happened. to the baby Megan Kelly who was born in. 1970. Whatever the point is, we you just. What's the point? Um, I just can't. imagine going on 60 minutes and talking. about this with a bunch of strangers or. putting the new wife up for examination. by a bunch of strangers, which makes her. fair game, frankly. You know, what do. you make of it? >> Well, first of all, I know what I'm. doing for the rest of the day. Going to.

be googling Megan Kelly and Nicole Bron. Simpson. Uh, I'm gonna. >> didn't predict [laughter] that one, did. you? >> No, I didn't. I didn't. Um, you know, I. I I watched the interview. I found him. largely sympathetic and I guess maybe. that's that's the reason why you do it. but I'm with you Megan. I I I don't. understand it. I think you know I I I. come from a producer background. That's. we I started on the Glen Beck program as. a producer for many many years and like. there was a lot of times I had. conversations with Glenn before we would. go on some particular topic and he'd.

have some take on some controversial. thing and and often times it would go to. this place where he'd say, "Well, we. have to talk about this." And I would. say, "You're going to be surprised to. hear this." No, you don't. Uh, you. actually don't have to talk about it. You don't have to you don't have to. insert yourself into every little battle. online. You don't have to have a comment. about every little story. You can. actually live your life uh in in a. different way where every little bit of. it is is not exposed. Now, look, this is. a massive story. Everybody's talking. about it. And the part where I I did see.

a little bit of the understanding of of. of him going on and doing a show like. this was when they were talking about. all the conspiracy theories and. craziness that's been spread about this. this guy in particular. >> See, that's the part I find the least. necessary. >> Yeah. No, I look I. >> How many people How how many people did. he disabuse of their conspiracial. beliefs about him? >> None. Absolutely not. >> Not one. >> No, it never works, right? Like I mean I. we used to talk about this all the time. You know when Barack Obama was was on. the was talking about the birther. conspiracy theories. Like he would come.

out and say these things all the time. There would never be a birther who would. be like you know what actually he was. born in Hawaii. And there's never been. going to be a person who comes out. You. know what Megan Kelly isn't Nicole Brown. Simpson. Those people don't get. convinced out of whatever conspiracy. theories they have. >> Never use the phrase I was wrong. Never. >> It's not. It doesn't matter how much. proof is right in front of them. It's. just not the way conspiracies work. there. It's all about like and it's.

through no fault of their own. There's. like just a kind of and and let's face. it, a lot of the conspiracies have come. true in the co years. So, I'm not. disparaging them. I'm talking about like. the deeply conspiratorial people who. just genu like that, you know, immediately they're going to say Patrick. Clancy did it. There's something about. the mind that says like I question. everything and I know better. I know. better. I'm being lied to. And so when. like the truth comes and like it's so. obvious to the rest of the world, you're. like, you don't get it. I'm one of the.

few who gets it. That's how their minds. a 60 minutes interview is never going to. do it. >> It's not going to do it. I can. understand the mo. I can understand why. he thought, you know, you think you're. going to one of these series, it's a big. audience. Maybe you can move some. people, but it's never it never it never. ever works. You know, I I I did an. interview years ago with a penellet, uh, famous magician and but famous for many. many things, very smart guy and and and. I was talking to him and I said, you. know, you're you're kind of a contrarian. on everything like why why are you like. that? He goes, hold on, let me stop you. for a second. It's not a contrarian,

it's a skeptic. >> And I think that's I thought that was. such a important way to think about it. Contrarians constantly take the opposite. side of everything. When you're talking. to someone who's really involved into a. deep conspiracy theory, one of the most, you know, common phrase they they says. they say is something to the effect of, well, that just proves and then they go. back into their conspiracy theory, right? Like it doesn't matter what the. evidence is. So, if you're one of these. people, especially a guy like this who, yes, he's known because he was, you. know, he's been around the trial and and. and and people, you know, who are.

obsessed with the story do know what he. looks like and everything else, but one. of the things he talked about was. wanting to be anonymous, right? Moving. to New York City where you can blend in. and everybody's everybody every other. person is on the on the sidewalk, you. know, sobbing brutally about god knows. what. It's hard to to stand out when. you're going through a tough time in New. York City. People don't know who you. are. you can be swallowed up by that. city to to to make that decision to try. to be swallowed up by the city and and. disappear after the worst thing that's. ever going to happen to you and then.

come out and do 60 Minutes. I I don't. think those things work very well. together. So I I generally watched the. interview and and felt a little sympathy. for him and and it's it's got to be the. most impossible thing in the world to. deal with. But at the same time, you. know, just going away and and living. your life and maybe not describing your. future family plans to millions of. people, it might be the better way to. go. >> I know. And you're going to you're going. to talk all about the first three kids. to the kids you're going to have with.

this woman who also wanted her moment in. the spotlight. That was weird, too. >> Like, why is she there? Why? Why? Now. we're supposed to be celebrating the new. who I got to be honest. She struck me as. kind of odd. >> She was a bit of an odd duck and and. like her candle lines. It was like I I. just don't think he helped himself with. like normies. And I don't think he. helped himself with people who think he. did it. I think he should just Look, I I. I realize he's a victim, too. Definitely, he's a victim. But there are. people like me who have I don't have.

scorn for him, but I do have real. questions about how the hell he left his. wife alone with his children after she. said she was having thoughts of harming. them. So, it's like I don't blame him. exactly, but I I don't totally exonerate. him either. I I do feel like you needed. to be more careful. You needed to. believe your wife when she was telling. you that you needed to be your. children's protector. He knows all of. that. He knows he doesn't need Megan. Kelly to tell him, but that it's the. reason. It's the thing that kind of. stops me from being anything other than. just fully empathetic toward him. I'm.

I'm I I confess I'm I I have some. feelings of like h where were you? >> Yeah, totally. I And I you know I think. the the vibe on him after the trial was. like oh gosh he's you know so stoic and. he didn't even show any emotion and and. like I felt like maybe he I could see. that. Right. It's really it's tough to I. don't know how do you deal with a. situation like this? I I don't I don't. think they. >> I think I'd be heavily medicated. Yeah. Yeah. And and probably dealing with it. You know what? How I would deal with a. situation like this really poorly. Like.

[laughter] I would be God only knows. what I would do. I don't know. I mean, I. hate to say things like this, but like I. don't even know like myself. If I had to. deal with a situation like this, I don't. even know if I'd make it to the 60. Minutes interview. I I I would be. catastrophically. destroyed. And I'm sure he is. >> I certainly wouldn't be thinking about. like my image. >> in the public eye and how to. rehabilitate it. I would never want to. have another conversation with anyone. who knew who I was again in my life. And. and then that's probably the best side. of how I would react to a situation like.

that, you know. But I I think like one. of the things it's been interesting and. I I would love to, you know, your. journey through this I'm sure has been. really fascinating as well. But like I I. talked to a lot of people about this. particular case who had more sympathy. and understanding for Lindseay Clansancy. than I would have necessarily uh. thought. And and it's because, you know, I because I think, you know, particularly women connect to the idea. of postpartum depression and the idea of. this these mental health struggles that.

were real. She did seem to really try to. get help and and and and all of this and. I get that. Of course, there's the, you. know, they all didn't kill their. children, so there's a massive. difference between these two stories. Um, but at the end of the day, if you. have if your wife comes to you and is is. admitting that and is is seeking help. for that type of thing, that's I can't. even imagine my wife saying something. like that to me, just saying it once, let alone checking herself into. treatment for it. If that happens,

there's absolutely not a second that. goes by that she's with those kids. You. you can't at least for years and years. and years and years to the point that. maybe to the the point that where they. could defend themselves, right? Maybe. they're adults before that even happens. >> You can't take a chance like that. Right, >> Megan? Now you're speaking sense. Yes, you are speaking sense. This is how I. think most people would see it. And he. was asked in this, it wasn't in last. night's interview. It was in a 2024. interview he gave to the New Yorker. And.

he talked about how this is, you know, one of her best days. he talked about on. the stand a bit too. This is one of her. best days and that's why he felt. comfortable leaving her alone with them. And um you know he he he asked her like. did you plan did you send me out of the. house on purpose and she said no it. wasn't that I just snapped you know I. snapped and there's a whole show about. women and snapping usually they kill. their husbands but still she had warned. him you know on the long list of people. who failed Lindsey Clancy Patrick Clancy. appears there's just that he's on there.

he she said to him I'm thinking about. hurting the kids and he is the other. human being on the face of this earth. who shared totally co-equal. responsibility for making sure that they. were protected as every parent out there. knows and uh it when the danger is the. other parent, it's it is your obligation. to step in and protect them. And he just. didn't. So, I don't I just I guess I'm I. don't know. I'm sorry to maybe I sound. heartless. I just I'm I'm like kind of. not interested in listening to Patrick.

Clancy and the new wife go on about. their wonderful next chapter. Like, okay, whatever. Um Okay. But I am. interested in what Kevin Readington is. doing on behalf of Lindseay Clancy. The. harassment of the hold out juror Michael. continues and not only does it continue, it's amping up. So he filed a document. this morning. um and uh reporter for LA magazine, Laura Lauren Conland got it and it seeks. the confidential jurors sorry the hold.

out juror's confidential questionnaire. This is with the court. They're saying, "Please, we move the court for orders. regarding this jury. We want the clerk. to preserve the original confidential. juror questionnaires. We want the. jurors, this particular juror's summons, badge, and service records. We want. every jury note and the court's written. responses. We want courthouse video of. the jury room corridor for the following.

dates, August 27th through September. 4th. The this is the deliberation. period. The impounded juror list and all. juror information that the commonwealth. obtained before or during trial. We want. the clerk to produce to the court and. councel this jurors confidential juror. questionnaire and and any supplement. also the that the commissioner of. probation produced to the court under. seal juror do they're calling him John. Doe. Juror doe's record from the. statewide domestic violence registry.

This goes back to that alleged domestic. violence incident between this holdout. juror and his wife six years ago that. the Commonwealth state under seal within. seven days what juror information it. obtained under its motion for access to. prospective juror information before. this trial began. So they obviously. before while they were picking the jury. or thereabouts the the state sought some. information on some of the jurors. I. don't know what was in there but the. defense is asking to find out. That. seems fine. what background checks it.

ran and produced the results. Whether. the Plymouth County District Attorney's. Office has or since January 1st, 2021. has had any matter in which juror do is. a defendant, complainant, or subject. So. any of his dealings with the county. district attorney's office and that. summones issue returnable to the court. for review in chambers to the carrier. serving juror do's mobile telephone for. call and text detail records sent during.

the dates of the deliberation between. the hours of 8:30 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. on. deliberation day and directing juror to. deliver the mobile telephone carried. into the jury room during that period to. a neutral examiner designated by the. court um and returned within 48 hours. Also, they want the court to examine. juror do on the record orally with. councel present on three subjects. The. truthfulness of his questionnaire and. voadier answers, the sworn assurance of.

September 3rd in which he said, "I can. be fair and follow the law." and the use. of a mobile telephone or receipt of. outside information during juror. deliberations. I'm just going to go. ahead and say it. This is the hen jurors. selling this guy up the river. And not. just the hens, that male juror because. they mention him in particular as having. said something about this guy allegedly. using his phone at some point point. during the deliberations or during while. he was in the jury deliberation room. and they're trying to jin up trouble for.

him, suggesting that he was coordinating. with somebody outside of the jury room, etc. Well, who else will use their. phone? What are we going to do this for. everybody? Or just the one hold out. juror? He's the only one getting a legal. colonoscopy stew. And it's meant to. harass him and to make sure the next. jury, should there be one, understands. you vote not guilty by reason of mental. defect or you'll get the same as the. hold out juror. >> Yeah, that's exactly what they're trying. to do. And you know, I I Megan, I come. from an old maybe an old school line of.

thought that if you are a lawyer and you. have a client who's admitted to. murdering their three children, you pray. for a mistrial. Like that's the thing. you're hoping to get to that like the. fact that there was only one guy here. who is actually holding the line on you. can't kill your three kids and get a and. and and and and get off for it is like a. a massive change I think in our entire. civilization. I mean, I look, I get that. there are there are complications here.

and like I I you know, like you can make. an argument. I think that like maybe uh. you know, there's there's some I lean on. your legal uh analysis here, Megan, far. more than I am. I'm no expert on this. stuff, but just talking from a regular. person perspective, like if someone. really did go through this, they really. did look for help, they they may have. had some terrible reaction to some. medication, all these arguments that. have been brought up, that's okay, put. that to the side. That is different than. whether we should separate this person. from our society. Like I have relatives.

with young children. The the person that. has is capable of strangling their three. kids with exercise bands can't be in the. same free society as them. That's just. not a thing that can happen. It's a no. It's a no. Now is should she be in. prison for the rest of her life? Should. she have the death penalty thrown at. her? Should she be a person who is in a. highsecurity mental institution for the. rest of her life? There are all sorts of. different ways that could go, I suppose. And those details do matter, certainly. for her and certainly for our legal. system. We should follow the law as it.

as has been designed, but like what are. we talking about here? We're talking. about harassing the one guy who said. absolutely not. You can't kill your. three kids. That's the guy who gets the. harassment. What what we're upside down. as a society if this guy who at the very. least is making a very understandable. argument that this is an unacceptable uh. activity to engage in. That's the guy. who's getting all the crap for this. Not. not the parents, not not the one woman.

who did it, not the dad who left in a. questionable circumstance, but the guy. who said, "No, I'm holding the line of. murder of children." That's the one. we're going to pick apart. That it's. completely upside down. They they will ru the day they allowed. this kind of harassment of a hold out. juror because nine times out of 10, as. you point out, the hold out juror is the. one saying not guilty. And it's the rest. of the jury that wants to send somebody. to prison potentially for the rest of. their lives. And it often involves a.

black defendant whose life hangs in the. balance. And one one juror will say, "No, I'm not doing that." And if we're. going to give the legal colonoscopy to. every hold out juror, well, he was seen. with his cell phone, your honor. I saw. him in the deliberation room with his. cell phone. Maybe he was checking the. weather. Maybe he was making sure his. new baby, which he has, hadn't been born. or was well because she hadn't been that. morning. I don't know. But the the nerve. to jump right to, oh, the black man did.

something wrong. Honestly, like they are. setting a dangerous precedent. >> Yeah. No, you're totally true. I mean, and the left I look, they have I don't. even understand what they're doing. I. mean, we saw this in the Me Too era as. well, where you know, all we saw case. after case after case after case where. there would be a white college girl who. would accuse a random black student of. uh, you know, some sort of activity that. was not uh not appreciated or not. approved of when it came to their. relationship. And we'd see the colleges.

be like, "Okay, yeah, they're guilty. We're not even giving them a chance to. defend themselves." Like how can that. possibly be the right thing? That. happened over and over and over and over. again. Something, by the way, we should. appreciate the Trump administration the. first time for helping to correct at. least a little bit. But but still, I. mean, this is this is the type of. situation where it's like it's. whatever's in front of them, right? Like. this case right now is the black guy is. supposed to be the bad guy. Uh, and you. know, next time it might be the. opposite, but like this is why you.

don't, you know, you shouldn't be. judging people based on this on their. skin color in the first place. I mean, I. that revealing clip of Gail King who. who's like, "Oh my gosh, I have to sit. with this for a moment." Like, how what. a revealing thing about her the way she. thinks about people, right? Like the. fact that she couldn't even consider. that this person would do this because. number one, it was a bad thing to her. convicting a a woman of killing her. three children. And then number two, that it was a black person who would do.

it was just a riveting uh just, you. know, uh wormhole into her brain to see. how she actually thinks about these. things that that someone with her skin. color couldn't possibly have done. something wrong. I mean, that's awful. You're supposed to be judging people. >> The word you're looking for is racist. >> Yes. Thank you. >> She's a racist. much. >> I mean, that's what that is. >> I could I can't conceive of the person. doing something I find abhorrent having. black skin. In my mind, of course, it.

was a white. That's what she's saying. It's It's so clearly racist when you say. it explicitly. Just because she had, you. know, the pregnant pause of silence. around, oh, I need to sit with that for. a minute. Doesn't excuse it. It's. blatantly racist. She gets away with it. It's because you're allowed to be. anti-white. um that that doesn't cost. you anything in today's day and age, but. it she should feel humiliated. She. should actually apologize because it's. offensive what she did. Um all right, so. that's the latest in the Clansancy case. We'll be back to it as this judge rules.

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like the Maya Kulpa, right? She's it's. the new New York Times piece in which. she she takes responsibility that it's. titled in fighting for every black. child. Did I betray my own? Subtitle. A. decade ago, I made a decision about my. daughter's education that I hoped would. challenge New York City's separate and. unequal school system. Now 16, she. thinks I made the wrong choice. So she. talks about how throughout her she. decided to send her to a very shitty. public school in Brooklyn. It was.

entirely black, which is why she did it. She wanted to feel like a good person. and not go with one of the better public. schools, which god forbid had some. whites in it. Um she goes through how it. was bad at every turn. Okay. It was like. she was told uh when she went into prek. uh she was she knew it wasn't going to. like she was told over and over that. there were problems. Uh okay like. okay they first of all she says we felt. an obligation based on the collective. good and not just our own individual.

advantage to send their daughter to a. poor black school. um that we thought. sending NIA to a mostly low-income and. black school, we could help improve it. for all the children there. I knew that. PTAs at poor schools often can raise. only a few thousand dollars, but my. husband Faraji and I could write checks. that exceeded the annual PTA budget. Good for you, Nicole. >> Um. >> I witnessed how dismissive school. officials could be to lower income. parents who lodged complaints or made. demands for resources and how. differential they were to wealthy ones.

I believe Faraji and I could bring some. of that power with us. So they go to. PS307. We enrolled her in preK uh at a. segregated high poverty school across. from the Farragate housing projects in. Brooklyn. Per US News and World Report. at this school 27% of the students. scored at or above the proficient level. for math. 17 at or above the level for. reading. Okay. So it's a piss poor. school getting piss poor results. She. couldn't have cared less. The kid's.

going in there because Nicole Hannah. Jones needs to feel better about. herself. She doesn't give a even. about her own kid. Um, then it starts already. Okay. She says. even if her schools were not. academically the strongest, I explained. to her that her father and I knew we. could provide for her tutoring and any. other assistance to make up for what her. school may lack. Oh, okay. So, like. she's really committed to giving the kid. the experience that the black kids have.

going to the poor disadvantaged school, except if she happens to stumble and. doesn't learn like the other black kids, in which case she'll use her money and. privilege to get her the tutoring that. no other black kid can get. Nicole, we've lost the thread. We've lost the. thread of our virtue signaling. That's. not allowed on the virtue signaling. rule. She's got to be just like the. other black kids. Okay. Um like this is. an unfair advantage that you're trying. to avoid. Now, uh, she says at first. everything was fine. She adored the. school, seemed to be reading and doing.

math on grade level, but this did not, I. suppose, could not last. They had a. dynamic, exceptional principal who. retired. The new principal was not up to. the task. Nicole Hannah Jones went to. the school. What she saw shocked her. I. decided to visit during lunch period. I. was shocked by what I saw. Her class and. another were sitting at their tables in. the cafeteria with no lunch and no adult. supervision. Children were running wild, chasing, hitting, pushing each other. while the teachers aids and the. cafeteria workers stood by looking. bored. Several times I had to instruct.

children to stop striking each other and. to sit down. At one point, physically. pulling two boys apart. When I asked one. of the aids why the children weren't. being supervised, she told me the lunch. period was short staffed. Nia later told. me, "It's always like this. That's why I. don't want to go here." Okay. So, she. knew right away, Stew. Afterward, I sent. a lengthy email. It took several days. before I got a response. Um, my husband. and I were frustrated and worried, but. remained committed. By then, all but one. of the white children and nearly all the. middle-class children who had started.

pre-K with Nia had left. We felt we. could not abandon the school. We had to. stay and fight for the students who did. not have options. Except we weren't. going to be buying the tutors for. everybody, just for our daughter. Her. teachers never looked at her work. By. fourth grade, this was the worst year. At the first parent teacher conference, her teachers told us she was not. performing on grade level in any of her. academic subjects, that she was not a. proficient reader. Uh we were perplexed. because she was always a good student. and her past reading assessments were. always at or above grade level. What. followed was a series of emails and.

phone calls and meetings trying to get. basic items like copies of her graded. work, her reading assessment, her test. results. We received nothing. Then one. day in December, she came home and. excitedly informed me she had suddenly. jumped three grade levels in reading in. one month. What became clear to me was. that Nia's teacher had most likely never. performed the school's mandatory reading. assessments for Nia at all, but instead. had assumed the flagging competency of. these mostly low-income black children. So, when she got the word that she was.

not performing on grade level in any of. her subjects, the woman had no idea. where her child was. She was just. assuming that she was an underperforming. black. So, she had a racist teacher who. looked at her black child in this shitty. school and said, "You're dumb. just like. the others. And still she did not pull. her. Apparently Jones also didn't look. at her child's work. So she reports, "I. started checking Nia's work and. discovered most of her answers were. wrong. Nia believed herself to be good. at math. It was her favorite subject. But now I understood basically she.

didn't know is what you're saying.". [laughter]. She she could not she she only thought. she was correcting all of her problems. because her teacher was not checking her. work. Similarly, her writing assignments. were rife with uncorrected punctuation, capitalization, and grammatical errors. They sobbed about their daughter at this. point. Stbbed, but they still worried. about the others. Night. But that night, after I tucked her into. bed, I sat across from Varaji in our. living room and broke down in sobs. Should we consider leaving the school?

Yes, you Leave the school. [laughter]. Your kid cannot do math. And the. teacher's not even looking at her tests. and they're fighting and there's no food. at lunch. get her out of there, you idiot. This is so infuriating. Okay, we felt utterly stuck. Our child. was suffering. But they all were. [laughter]. They were languishing in classrooms with. educators who did not take their. academic potential seriously and largely. refused to teach. Whatever should I do?

What would happen to these children if. we abandoned them as everyone else with. power had? Here we were, upper middle. class, educated, highly involved family. with a house brimming with books. Nia's. principal and her teachers knew that I. worked for the New York Times reporting. on school inequality and that Faraji. served on the PTA and the school. leadership team. And yet, with all the. power and resources at our disposal, we. left her elementary school at the end of. fifth grade feeling wholly defeated by a. system of inequality. Blah blah blah. blah blah. Long story short, we set out.

to find a different middle school. They. chose the same thing, the Urban Assembly. Unison School, which 22% of the students. scored at or above the proficient level. for math, 27 for reading. Once again, fights in the hallway, less experienced. teachers, can't manage their classrooms. Nadia Na had similar complaints. The. teachers didn't assign any homework. She. wasn't happy. She told her mom, "This.

makes no sense. Putting me in this. school did not change a thing. I was not. trying to be in this kind of. environment." She said, "You can pick. your own high school." Guess what? She. chose one that was heavily white and. that screened their students with tests. the very type of public schools, writes. Jones, I had spent my career arguing. against in a wealthy, gentrified. neighborhood, allowing my child to. attend a school that was a beneficiary. of the very inequality that defined the. city's educational landscape across the.

country. I had lectured about how. educational inequality is systemic, but. that this fact did not absolve us of our. individual choices. And in the end, I. could not even sustain the cause within. my own family. Then we go on to point. out how everybody was racist in the new. school because there were so many. whites. Allegedly, they made comments. that demeaned her child or other black. kids. I call Um, and. now Jones feels overcome with regret. Nia deserved better. They all did. I had.

not chosen her. The daughter's mad. The. the daughter feels she still doesn't get. how how grandly she up. And this. was all stew, all to make Nicole Hannah. Jones feel like she was a better person. than the teachers or than the parents. who chose to put their kids in schools. that actually teach. >> Well, all I can say about all of that is. how brave of her to write about it. Um,

wow. What a miracle that she had the. bravery because that's what this is. this is how it's being treated is that. this is a great wonderful story of her. bravery for admitting how terrible uh. she was as a parent trying to put her. own sort of ideology and and and. honestly like credibility at you know. various uh cocktail parties uh ahead of. her children's her own child's welfare.

right like that's really what happened. here um and like yeah look I'm glad she. admitted it that's a good thing I'm glad. we're talking about that and people can. see how bad the situation is. And you. know, at some level, I guess you could. say unlike most of the the liberals who. say these types of things, I guess you. could say she at least believed it for a. time. I mean, at least she was authentic. at some level and said, "Okay, I'm going. to send my kids to these schools that. I'm defending, unlike most of these. people that we hear from, politicians. constantly who will come out and be.

against school choice publicly while. sending their own kids to private school. over and over and over again." So, I. guess there's I mean, you know, if. you're going to be a failure, maybe this. is an F plus story rather than an F. It's not an A. It's not an A+ like she's. [laughter] being treated in the media. today. I mean, she's being she'd be it's. like she won a freaking Oscar for. writing writing this thing. And it's. terrible. >> And and also an Oscar for the first. writing. Yes. I mean, that's that's. what's so gling. The first the first. piece that she did all these years ago,

you know, taking this position in 2016. Uh that one was titled choosing a school. for my daughter in a segregated city. And she got all these plaudits for. writing it and doing it. That's why she. had no choice but to come out and. announce that the daughter had chosen a. different route and was pissed because. back then uh Tablet magazine described. it as a deeply personal account and. reported she won a $625,000 genius grant. from the MacArthur Foundation for it.

She also won the 2017 Hillman Prize for. magazine journalism. Her cover story. shows us all all that all of us um. politicians, educators and parents play. a role in perpetuating a deeply unjust. system. An op-ed in Kappen online uh. which features articles conducting. educational research practice and policy. called her the Beyonce of education. journalism. saying in focusing on her own child's. education she took segregation out of. the political arena and brought it into. readers homes. Then when she write about.

writes about this, she she tells her. daughter like when the daughter's like, "Why am I going to this shitty. elementary school even she knew even. when she was in the single digits? This. is a bad school, Mom. This I shouldn't. be here." She said, "I was I was aware. I said I was aware of her school's. academic rankings, but that test scores. alone do not define a school." Glancing. between her and the road, I told her. everything that I had said a hundred. times in on stages, in interviews, in. discussions since I had made her a.

symbol of how the choices we make can. help sustain or dismantle educational. inequality. I talked about the deep. inequality in New York schools and how. like those black families who came. before us, we had an obligation to be. part of the struggle of our larger. community. Now, Nia was asking what I. had accomplished by not choosing the. best school for her. And the honest. answer is, I don't know. I don't know. So, >> what she, my point is simply, she's been.

dining out on that 2016 article. >> and all the plaudit she got and awards. she got, Beyonce, please, ever since. until the daughter rose up and said, "F. this. I'm getting out of here." and. really it sounds like left her with no. choice. And still she didn't she didn't. go to some Tony private school. She went. to a nicer public school and Nicole. Hannah Jones was outed as a fraud. She. I'm sure she was worried she was about.

to get outed as a fraud. That's I. guarantee you why she wrote this. This. isn't her actually coming to Jesus. This. is her daughter browbeating her into. submission and her trying to turn it. into a triumphant moment for herself. >> It's a great point. You're the first. person I've heard make it because it. it's it it's she's trapped, right? She. she's was she publicly took a massive. stance and now all that has changed. At. some point in the pretty near future,

there would have been a piece by. probably a conservative source outing. that this was going on, right? someone. would have figured it out and someone. would have leaked it and it would have. been a big story. She's getting ahead of. the news is what she seems to be doing. here. Um, and you know that's that's. something to to necessarily uh praise. It's it's it's she was she trapped. herself with her big mouth is what. happened years and years ago. Yes. >> Um, and she had no other choice to. reverse herself. And you point out too. like uh the the school system in New.

York is different than everywhere else. in the country, right? like there is a a. very like I have I have friends who live. in New York who you know especially kids. with particular educational needs to get. them in the quote unquote right high. school is really difficult. It's like. it's a lot of work. It's it's hard and. unless you're going you're going to. spend a fortune on private school. getting them into the right public. school is very similar to the type of. thing that you, you know, in Texas or. Florida or Iowa might go through to get. them into the perfect uh, you know,

private school where it's very. difficult. There's all sorts of. questions. I would, I would wonder. almost how she was able to get into it. because it's very very difficult, but. someone with that sort of persona. probably pulls a lot of weight in those. particular arenas, I'd imagine. Um, >> you know, I I read that article and you. hit on, I think, the part that made me. like the most depressed about it because. you have a a mom who's making a decision. based on her own her own sort of life, right? Like what what kind of benefits. her? How does she get a $600,000 grant?

Um how does she, you know, continue this. public persona? How does she do this? And there's that moment where she talks. about how her uh her daughter um was. failing at math and you know she it was. math was her favorite subject. And the. reason it was her favorite subject is. because she believed she was good at it. and she was getting good grades because. the teachers couldn't care less whether. she was doing the math program problem. right or not. horrific. >> They were lying to this poor kid like.

almost like a a parent of a bad singer. on American Idol, telling them, "Hey, no, you're actually really, really good. at this." And then they got on stage and. embarrassed themselves. And it's like, that's crushing. This poor girl just. wanted to be good at math and thought. she was. And because of the decision her. mom made, put her in this like, you. know, uh, spiral really, where now I'm. sure these conversations as she's. presenting them happened, but God only. knows, I'm sure they weren't very. pleasant. uh you know, so now she's hurt. her own family. She's hurt her.

daughter's development. All to stick to. this thing that I think most people who. say it know is a lie. She apparently. didn't uh that these schools are good. and you could actually get through them. and there's all these inequality. problem. Look, there's all sorts of. inequality all over the world. I, you. know, one of the reasons I show up to. work every day, Megan, is to pay for uh. school tuition for my children who go to. what I think is a really good school uh. that I think is better than what is. around me, which is our very good public. schools. Uh, and I do that because faith. is involved in it and I think that's a. really good thing and I'm glad we're.

able to do that. Not everybody can. I'm. glad there's school choice programs that. are making it accessible for many more. people today. Thank God. One of the good. things that came out of CO is that. Um, but like I'm not like I the one of the. reasons I show up to work every day is. to make my kids life better, not to try. to not to try to prove my points by. ruining their lives. And so this is not. someone who should should get an award. for this. This is something to be seen. as a a real moment of of. self-reflection. Hopefully, it is for. her. I don't know that she's capable of. it, frankly, with the other work that.

she's done. >> All right, I've got I've I've got to say. this. I don't believe I don't believe in. any of the self-reflective that. she's putting in this piece. I'll tell. you what Nicole Hannah Jones is actually. thinking about. This is my opinion. The. kid's 16 now. The daughter's 16 and I. believe a junior. And when you are a. 16-year-old junior, you are starting to. think about college. And I will venture. a guess she's not at the top of her. class at this new school. And I'll bet.

she's probably not doing so well on the. practice SATs given the fact that she. wasn't learning math for her entire. education thanks to her mother. And I. guarantee you, Nicole Hannah Jones is. trying to very publicly grease the path. into whatever vaunted university she. wants her daughter to go to, cuz all. bets are off when we get there. And just. telegraph to everybody, these terrible. scores and these terrible grades are her. mother's fault, not hers. And you should.

know that part of her story is she too. is full of virtue. She went to these. schools because we were trying to. improve them. So those D's she's getting. at the tougher school are really ethical. A's [clears throat] and that's how you. should be looking at knowledge. transcript. I'm telling Nicole Hannah. Jones is a bad person. She's a total. liar. Read her piece about Charlie Kirk.

It's a disgusting, filthy, defamatory. smear. She smeared him in his grave. She. didn't give a what that would do to. his legacy, his children, his wife. She. enjoys heaping pain on white people who. are conservative. She's a bad person. So, I don't believe this for one second. She's had a come to Jesus moment. She's. greasing the wheels for her now. uneducated daughter to sail right into. whatever university of choice she and.

the husband went to. That's what she's. doing. M and and you know what the sad. part about all this, Megan, is you know. who's going to buy that argument? 98% of. universities around the country. She. will get into any school that she wants. >> I mean, she will get into any school. that she wants. It will work like an. absolute charm. You know why? Similar to. what you were saying about the juror. earlier, they're all going to be. terrified to reject this kid. They if if. God forbid you do you say, "You know. what? your 18 score on the PSATs isn't.

high enough to get into our university. Uh, you know, like what's going to. happen? They're going to be in the New. York Times. They're all going to be. they're the university is going to get. trashed if they say no to her. Every. single university in America, with the. very few exceptions I could probably. name off the top of my head, are going. to say, "Of course, come in. We. absolutely." And you know what? Whether. she's smart or not, she'll get good. grades in the school, too. It's a. terrible I mean like it's everything. that they complained about with that.

actress who sent I can't remember her. name you probably know it but the. actress that sent her kid to the the the. school and uh you know was Lorie. Laughlin she got bashed for that. What's. the difference? What's the difference? At least she cared about her daughter's. education. At least she cared about her. going to a good school instead of a bad. one. I mean gosh we get so fired up. about this stuff. I I I can't believe we. we all know how this plays out and I. think you're totally right. She knows. how it plays out too and she's playing. the right side of it. At least right now. for her. >> The only justice that could possibly.

emerge from this is if the daughter. registers Republican declares herself a. conservative and says she wants to go to. Liberty University. I mean, if there's. any justice in the world, that's what. will happen next. that the daughter. having been firsthand as an obviously. bright kid, stuffed into a shitty school. and pushed to accomplish nothing by a. woke virtue signaling mother who we all. know is a nightmare. Uh revolts against.

this whole system of identity politics. and no one gives a about. individualism and it's all about. allegedly the collective good even. though they can't change the collective. good group at a time. It has to be done. on an individual basis by demanding. excellence. And she's not at a place. that demanded that of anybody. And the. irony is neither did Nicole Hannah. Jones. You know, you actually could be. if you want to go tiger mom and be that. person who's like all over your kids. stuff, you can do it. But I got news.

flash. The very groups that aren't. getting into these universities now, the. Asians, those are the ones who actually. will go tiger. They will make sure those. kids are getting A's. Like my friend Amy. Chua says, "If an Asian kid ever came. home with a B in math, well, that would. never happen." That's what she says. [laughter]. But I was just saying like you. So she. she threw her to the wolves and then. said, "Go ahead and devour her." She. didn't check the homework. She didn't. make sure she could read. She didn't. take a look at the assignments. And at.

every turn when the child complained, she she went in, she saw more problems, and then left her there. >> Yeah. You know, it's so funny. I I. thought of that too as I was reading it. Like I don't think that could happen to. my kids. I don't think it could happen. And I'm not saying this is a point of. inequality. I'm saying to the points. that like I see their homework. Like I. would realize they weren't good at math. before the school had to tell me or the. tests had to tell me later on uh in. their years. Like you'd look at it,

you'd see, wait a minute, no, wait a. minute, you got how did you get an A on. this? These are all wrong. like I would. have noticed through this period and and. look sure she's really busy uh got you. know get doing her $50,000 an hour. speeches, right? >> Um and I get it, you know, because. capitalism is e evil. You know, you you. know, of course, uh you know, you got to. show up for those $50,000 speeches, but. >> like any any normal I think parent, right? Any normal parent would notice. when their kid thought that they were. proficient and it was their best topic.

and in reality all of the questions were. wrong. Now, she did say she asked for. these graded papers and they weren't. giving them to him. But like I don't. know my experience with my children in. every other school. Right. Yeah. And. then she stayed anyway. Stayed anyway to. prove her little point, right? To prove. her little point. Uh you know, it's like. it's like some parent being like, you. know what, I believe uh smoking does not. does not cause lung cancer. So I'm get. I'm having my kids smoke over and over. and over again. And no matter how much. evidence you get that smoking create. know causes lung cancer, you just keep. popping the marbaros in her mouth. Like.

this is ridiculous. and you're doing it. for your own benefit, which makes it. worse. >> And then the nerve to play the racism. card. >> She finally transfers to a good school. And in the pages of the New York Times, Nicole Hannah Jones has to dump on the. school by calling them a bunch of. racists who allegedly referred to. something about her daughter as ghetto, which by the way can be said about. anybody. You know what I mean? Like I've. got certain earrings that people call. ghetto, whatever. Um it of course she's.

got to go the racist thing, right? Like. when it didn't work out perfectly uh and. and all white schools that are public in. New York, they the presumption is that. they're racist. It's the same thing we. saw with Sunonny Host last week when we. were making fun of her because she's. written these absolutely terrible. romance novels, too. [laughter]. And she was on the view complaining that. not one has gotten made into a movie. And she said it's because the publishing. or because of the the Hollywood industry.

is racist that they have a they they are. bigoted against black and brown stories. Sure. Sure. She's got to play that card, right? Her son went to Harvard, but like. the whole system, right, education, uh, in her case is Hollywood racist. It's. like whenever these privileged black. women don't get exactly their way, uh, they've got to play the card. Just so. just so I guess people know there's. still a card carrying member of the woke.

left who doesn't like whites. It's just. so cynical. >> Yeah. I think what you're trying to say. is Nicole Hannah Jones bravery is really. on display for writing this piece and. you're giving her all sorts of plottits. for that. I see what you're saying, Megan. I see what you're saying. [laughter]. >> Unbelievable. >> I'm sure she'll be on the MK show. >> soon to to do do a first-p person. account. Um but hats off to the. daughter. I will say that. Stu, thank. you. A great time. Great to see you. >> Thanks so much. >> Tomorrow we are back. We will give you.

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