Platner's "Sexting" Scandal Lies, Jill Biden's Book Tour Panic, and CBS Host Attacks Boss Bari

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show and happy Monday. and happy June. It's June 1st. How did. that happen? Great to be here. There is. a ton to get to today. We hardly know. where to begin. Including some stunning. reports about the front runner to be the. Democrat nominee for Maine's Senate. seat. We are going to go through this. Graham Platner fake denial. Um like we. are FBI agents trying to crack open a. homicide case. This guy is lying through. his teeth. Do you care? That's up to.

you. But I do care when they lie. You. want to around on your wife? Excuse. me. It's kind of your business, but the. lying to my face is upsetting. And. honestly, this guy is emotionally. unregulated. That's what's true. All. right. this this June 9th primary is. going to happen and he's going to win. that and then he's expected to face off. against the incumbent Republican senator. Susan Collins who, you know, she gets a. lot of crap from, you know, diehard.

righties because she's so moderate. She'll work across the aisle. people now. are ripping her for voting for President. Biden's um well wait no for you know sup. President Obama's Supreme Court nominees. and President Biden's I guess too uh. including Katanji Brown Jackson but. that's what senators used to do that. that was normal it was normal for. senators to vote for president's Supreme. Court nominees unless they were really a. super crazy ass you know leftist or.

righty being nominated anyway Susan. Collins is going to have to face off. against this guy. And this woman who. everybody wanted to, you know, go. farther to the right, do more like more. extreme things. She didn't cuz she lives. in Maine. She would never get reelected. I mean, she's barely hanging on right. now, having held the moderate line. So, you can kind of see the position she's. been in. And she might lose to this guy. with a Nazi tattoo and apparently six to. 12 um sexing partners while he's.

married. I like it's a problem for her. if that happens. Uh but we've got a lot. to do there on that show. All right. And. it's like his Reddit posts, that was one. thing. Now he's on he's it's he's been. outed as being on this website, Kick, which is known for like the place to. exploit children. Why Why was he on. there? Why did he join that at 32 years. old? I'm dead serious. It's like I the.

sexing scandal while he's married is. interesting to me, but I I'm much more. interested in why is a 32-year-old man. on kick? What exactly did he do on there? It. should be knowable. But if there is any. any whiff of any sort of exploitation of. a child, we do need to know that. That's. a hard no on advancing in American. politics. So, I don't know that there's. there is any. I'm not s suggesting that. we I've seen anything, but you shouldn't. be on kick. It you shouldn't be on kick.

as a 32-y old man. That's what it's. known for. Uh so we've got a lot of. juicy details about the sexy scandal and. all this stuff and we got to get into. their denials. Also, the cretton stom. Tommy Styer is surging in the in the. race for California governor as voters. head to the polls tomorrow. This thing. where they have to elect the top two. happens tomorrow and he's up there. It's. basically now Javier Bera is at the top. and it's a tie just about like one point.

separating them for a second between. Tommy Styer and Steve Hilton. It could. wind up that Steve Hilton is not even in. the top two. My friends, don't allow. this to happen. California viewers, please. I beg of you. So, what does this. villainous Tommy Styer do who's, you. know, his biggest push in the final. moments has been, "We have to have boys. in girls sports and looking at this AB. Hernandez who's been stealing all the. girls medals in California and saying. like, I'm so proud of you and I will.

make it my mission to support you from. danger." What What are you saying? You're going to protect AB Hernandez. from danger? It is the boys and girls. sports who are endangering the girls. Like track and field is one thing. At. least AB Hernandez is not endangering. anybody, but other boys are in field. hockey and volleyball and basketball and. soccer. Uh so that's his closing. message. And for the final ad of this.

phase of the campaign, who does he turn. to? John Ham. Okay. Now, you guys know. Moren Callahan, the greatest. We love. her. If you haven't watched or listened. to The Nerve, do yourself a favor this. weekend. We're going to the summer. months. It's a great time for The Nerve. The Nerve is fun and it's all about. culture. And she's our cultural. prosecutor, as she calls herself, and. she is. Um, she opened The Nerve, the. the inaugural episode of The Nerve on.

John Ham and his alleged severe. abuse of a young man in a fraternity. hazing scandal that for some reason. Hollywood has allowed him to escape or. ignore. Well, you want to get political, John? Let's go. It's on. It's on. I cannot believe Tommy Styer. didn't at least do a Google search of.

John Ham before selecting him to voice. over his campaign ad. We'll get into it. Plus, Dr. Jill Biden, and yes indeed, they are all calling her that. It's so. absurd. Doc Dr. Jill is on a media tour. ahead of the release of her new memoir. tomorrow. And even though she's being. treated with kid gloves, it's not going. well. It is not going very well at all. She went over the to the Today show this. morning and like the mildest little. questions from Craig Melvin resulted in.

her getting so defensive, demanding that. we see her as inspirational she's giving. Gail King um here to react to all of. these stories and more is our friend. Emily Jashinsky. She is host of. Afterparty on the MK Media podcast. network. You can just find that by going. to any podcast button on your phone and. typing in afterparty and her show will. come up and then you can hit subscribe. And she also hosts the Megan Kelly. [music] Show wrapup program right here. on SiriusXM after our show ends at 2.

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obviously fake denials. So, it's crazy. what what they're going with with he and. his wife. Uh, like, let me start with. this. I just said last week when Ken. Paxton beat John Cornin, notwithstanding. the fact that Ken Paxton has all these. scandals in his past, including like. with women, not his wife, and that the. the wife filed for divorce, saying it. wasn't a biblical marriage. um that I think we've gotten to the. point in American politics where as. Heather McDonald has been arguing for a.

while, like aos has no place in. assessing a candidate's fitness. Like. men will be men is a short form way of. putting it. I'm sorry to be sexist. I. guess women will be women, too. But you. know what I'm saying? that like after. the excesses of the me too movement. which was more about sexual harassment. and abuse than it was about cheating on. your spouse but people are just like shy. to get into what's happening in a. person's marriage I if as a matter of. politics and I think that's right I.

think we are very different minded about. it in 2026 than we were in 2016 even. however. what Graham Platner should have done was. to come out and say my wife and I had. problems in the beginning of our. relationship ship. We dealt with him. through counseling and that's all I'm. going to say about it. It's a private. matter. That's it. I honestly I would be. like, "Get off his back." I really. would. But that's not what he did. He. came out and clearly lied to us. And now. it's on. Now it's on. Graham. Um because.

you've been lying for a while. Like he. didn't know that was a Nazi tattoo. That's obviously not true either. We. don't know why he got a Nazi tattoo. I. I'm not I don't think you're a Nazi. >> He was drunk on Marine Le in Croatia, which who among us Megan. I mean, you know, I've told you I was. like, my mom, Linda, she got a tattoo. when she turned 70. Um, it was of a. rosary. Um, I don't think she could have. like accidentally been inked with a. swastika or Nazi insignia, but.

>> she probably wasn't that drunk. >> You know, my mom could have been. >> Oh, [laughter] no. I don't think she was. drunk at all. Um, in any event, so just to back up, the Wall Street. Journal breaks this story that he. allegedly was sexing with some some. number of women. post his marriage to his wife Amy and. pre-launch of the campaign. He married. his wife Amy in late 2023.

Definitely in 2023. I think it was late. 2023. So this is recent history. This isn't. like they got married 25 years ago and. there was something like who who cares, right? 20 This is couple years ago. He. had he was a newlywed and he was caught. sexing with some number of women 6 to. 12. Originally the number was 12 and. then the their defense was it was only.

six. [laughter]. Note to the fellas at home, don't don't. try this. >> You have to set the bar high. [laughter]. >> So then when you get to the real number, >> half that, honey. Like [laughter] half. that. >> A 50% decrease. >> Right. Right. It's going in the right. direction. So he and and by the way the. one of the really interesting things is. the person who outed this uh Genevieve. Macdonald who.

did not cloak herself in nobility either. because this woman the reason she. apparently knew that this was true is. she is the one who heard it directly. from Amy. She was running Graham's. campaign and she went to Amy and I guess. Graham saying if there's anything bad we. need to know about please tell us now so. we're not surprised and then Amy told. her this. So I do feel bad because that. is dirty pool man. That's that hurts.

But you know live and learn you know. I've been burned by these nasty PR. agents too in the past. They are just a. bunch of disgusting filthy scum. There. might be one or two exceptions out. there, but as a pool, disgusting, filthy, dirty, lying scum, that's what. they are. So, this woman wasn't PR. She. was campaign, which same same rules. Anyway, now she's decided to go out the. story. The threats that came her way.

from the Platiner campaign, we can get. to in a minute, but she gets the story. out there. So, it's not like. oppo research like she heard it directly. from Amy. It's that's pretty other. having other than having Amy sit down. with the New York Times and say it. Um, you're not going to do better than that, which is why both papers went with it. and felt confident uh in going with it. Well, then Amy comes out with her, okay, long overly therapized response to. this. And then Gran comes out with what.

are clearly lies. And let's go through. them each. Let's first look at Amy's. response to the reporting. In part, she. went on, this is boiled down to a. minute, sought one, I find it really. shameful that there's a group of media. outlets. and people who are willing to spread. gossip. um instead of talking about real issues. Graham and I have a great marriage. Um being married is hard. Being newly.

married is hard. Being newly married and. going through infertility is hard. Being. newly married, going through infertility. and a Senate campaign is is hard. Our. marriage counselor helps. Uh my personal. counselor helps. Graham's personal. counselor helps. I don't want a perfect. marriage. I want my marriage and I want. to be married to Graham. I knew the man. that I married had been through an.

immense amount of. violent. active combat and um he's been in. therapy for years. I just I admire the. out of him. So when there are news. articles about our marriage, it's just. extra shitty. >> Okay, so Emily, just a couple things. media outlets. willing to share gossip like like this.

is the media's creation. This is not the. media's creation. This is your husband's. creation. No one forced him to run for. office. Literally nobody could have. stayed on the side. This is why a lot of. people stay on the sidelines. They don't. want to get dragged for bad behavior. Most people don't have as quite as few. quite as many items in that column as. Graham Platner does, right? you have a. couple things they they they feel. ashamed about or they wish they hadn't. done like what Nazi tattoos and maybe a. dozen sexing partners while married is.

different not to mention the kick. membership which we'll get to that's one. point which I want to talk to you about. and secondly. being married is hard disagree disagree. I I've said this before it's actually. awesome I and I you know I have to say I. do think if you really think marriage is. very hard you might not be married to. the right person I I you can disagree. with me. There may be a lot of married. people out there disagreeing with me, but my own view of it is if it's really. hard, you married the wrong person. I'm. blessed to tell you my marriage is not.

hard. 10% of it is hard. 90% of it is. totally blissful and awesome. Married my. best friend. He's supportive. He's. great. We're hot for each other. It's. the first person I look forward to. talking to about anything. Like, it's. great. I don't know why she's having. such a hard time two years in. Then she. says, "Being newly married is hard." No, it's not. That's usually the blissful. period for [laughter] everyone. What do. you mean? Even the people who think it's. hard and disagree with me on it will. usually say that the early years are. good. Even their early years apparently. not good. Newly married while going.

through infertility is really hard. Again, no, it isn't. I did that, too. It. was fine. We did it together. It was a. journey. We knew, you know, whatever. happened, we'd be okay. We had each. other. They're apparently not looking at. each other that way cuz he's busy on. kick. And then newly married, married. newly married and newly married going. through infertility and while running a. Senate campaign is really who made you. do that. Who made you run for office? Everyone's got challenges. They may not. be running for Senate, but everyone has. a boss. Everyone has the fear of getting.

fired. Everyone always has the risk of. public humiliation, whether it's via. Facebook or, you know, friend group or. what have you. So, you're not special. Just stop. Okay? You're in this position. because of your own decisions, yours and. your very strange husbands. So, let's. start there with Amy and the messaging. around all this, EJ. >> Yeah, I mean, you can't obviously you. can't blame the media for reporting a. story about the character of somebody. who's trying to win a Senate seat, a. competitive Senate seat nonetheless. So, yeah, that that's a little bit of a a.

copout. I think I heard uh Platner also. yesterday saying that there was. journalistic malpractice at hand. I read. both the Times story, the Wall Street. Journal story. didn't see anything that. really qualified as journalistic. malpractice in that. But, uh, he is a. four-time combat veteran and has said. that he has PTSD. That's how he. explained the Reddit posts. And so, I. don't doubt that it probably is. difficult, uh, for any person suffering. that much to get help. But he also said. that he started to get help around 2017.

for his PTSD uh, when he was explaining. the Reddit posts. And part of his. explanation for that was he you you can. see in his own Reddit posts he says they. become calmer, less angry, less. irrational. So that was 2017 and we're. talking about uh the the early 2020s. here. So I'm a bit curious because this. is a weird comparison. It reminds me a. little bit a little bit it's not apples. to apples but a little bit of John. Federman in that John Federman may have. a lot of the positions that people agree. with in Pennsylvania or may not. I mean,

a lot of progressives love John Federman. when he was running for Senate and they. thought the same people who like. Platiner now really liked John Federman. and we're trying to say it doesn't. matter like what what he's gone through. with his stroke. He's fine. He's okay. And I think a lesson of Federman. actually is that you used the the term. like emotional regulation earlier, Megan, I think there are some people who. are now going to look at this and and. think that's a serious question when it. comes to Platner. To be honest, I think. a lot of people are in the kind of. Paxton camp where they're like, I I gave. up on politicians being decent human.

beings 10 years ago because I've become. so cynical. It's no longer the case. And. I think a lot of people probably still. willing to vote for Graham Platner. But. there is a question of like are you able. to even do the job um if you were still. suffering from PTSD at that level where. it would be affecting your marriage. significantly with infidelity. So that. does raise a question. I have to say, I mean, I wouldn't vote. for Graham Platner if I were in Maine. I'd be voting for Susan Collins. Um, but.

if I were inclined to vote for him, I. don't think his sexing scandal would. stop me. I have to be honest, I don't. think it would. >> I don't think it's great, but it doesn't. necessarily tell me he's a bad man. It. tells me he married the wrong person and. is making bad decisions around it. >> Um, again, I'm not saying it's ethical. Well, I certainly don't want it to. happen to me, but. I'm just saying, would it stop me from. voting for him? No, it wouldn't. Like, same way Trump's got some history there, too. It didn't stop me from voting for. him either. >> Um, in 2026, America, I think we're.

getting really honest about the fact. that a lot of people make bad decisions. in their marriage or their. relationships. And if we make that the. stakes of whether we elect them or not, we're not going to have that many left. from the look of it. Um, whatever. It's. still kind of interesting because it it. does speak to sort of a wider narrative. in the guy's life, which is he's got. some real issues. Now, I I'm all for. therapy. I've said that before. I know. therapy is no longer in vogue, but I. have a great therapist now who's more. like a life coach. He's he doesn't.

tolerate nonsense. He doesn't let me wax. poetic about anything bothering me. He. just like redirects me and and gives me. useful tools for for dealing with. problems. And um I love that and I. recommend that to anybody. Rumination. about your problems and blaming it all. on your mom or your dad or whatever. That's that that's bad. I think that's. the bad therapy. But. so you're telling me that she's now. saying. he's in therapy. and she's in therapy and they're in.

marriage therapy and they make mental. health a part of every day. and we are. supposed to believe that he can handle. the demands of the US Senate just fine. Like, when's he going to go to the. Senate between all of his therapy. sessions and his mental health work? I. I'm dead serious. Like, all the. numerous, you know, meetings he's going. to have to have and counseling sessions. he's having and what does he do to what. does that mean? Mental health is part of. your day. How do you deal with that? Like, I'd love to have a follow-up on.

that because I would prefer we send. somebody who is it's fine to go through. that journey. Good. Good on them for. working on things. Maybe the Senate run. should come after that's complete, like. closer to complete. >> No. And I think actually this is an. interesting question for some of the. progressives who've been very. disappointed by John Federman because. Federman gets into the Senate and I. think he checked himself in for. depression uh for like an inpatient care. for depression for weeks. And if you. look at what happened to Federman, he. has changed some of his positions on.

those issues that progressives cared. most about. um like there's a certain. kitchen table progressive economic. policies, those sorts of things. He's. changed his disposition, his. temperament. So, I I think that is. actually kind of an interesting. comparison. It's that like when somebody. is is thrust into a job that is. enormously stressful and high stakes and. they're dealing with significant mental. health problems that would go back to. being in Ramadi in 2006 where Platiner. was along with a lot of uh other men. who've served the country and have dealt.

with PTSD. I think that's actually a. kind of a fair question. I'm with you, Megan. I think like it at this point. most people are so cynical. Like they've. seen a million John Edwards come and go. It's like cleancut guys that are. supposed to be uh pastors basically. And. you find out it's not the case. And and. people are are desperate and cynical. right now in America. It's very much. populist moment still. And so they're. willing to pull the lever for anybody. who's going to throw a wrench into the. system or uh challenge the establishment. or both. And I think a lot of people see. that in Platner. I think he knows that.

And I think that's why he's still. drawing crowds. Like I was looking at. local news reports in Maine from. yesterday. He was still drawing crowds. He was doing campaign rallies uh with. his wife and all of that. So I think. that a lot of people are sort of past. this. But at the same time, I do think. progressives might be asking themselves. a little bit of that question right now. They they really like Grant Platner. >> Go ahead. >> Unless they get that uh the main. governor who bailed because she had no. money back into this race within the. next week, they have no alternative.

>> Yep. and and honestly what they really. want on the progressive side is to. unseat Susan Collins and get a Senate. seat that they didn't have. So if if I. were a Democrat, I'd say we're going to. have to dance with this guy no matter. what his problems are. We're going to. have to downplay them and get him. through Tuesday and then, you know, try. to fight Susan Collins as being lame and. not relevant and too old for me. I mean, that's what I'd do if I were a Democrat. Um the. campaign's response has been to point.

out in all these articles, Wall Street. Journal and New York Times that the the. sexs. they uh they are from they were found. earlier in their marriage. Okay, they. were they got married in 2023. >> We're still early in their marriage. Who. cares? like it was 2023 and in any event. before the campaign was launched that. they that they ended before the campaign. was la who cares. Like this is like a.

madeup artificial date that's supposed. to tampen down or dampen down the the. scandal. Like well he stopped doing it. before he announced for Senate. [laughter]. Who cares? >> And also that they were leaning on this. Well, that was also like a year and a. half ago. [laughter] Like that was not. that long ago at all. It's really recent. history. Yeah. >> Like this is the same party that's been. trying to make Stormmy Daniels a thing. in our lives for 10 years. That wasn't.

recent. Like what do you what do you. mean? How far do we go back in Trump's. history? We just had to spend two years. talking about Eene Carol. It was. 35 years ago. Like stop. What do you. mean it it? Well, he stopped it before. he announced for Senate. Oh, that so I. can't talk about it. I don't think those. are the rules. >> And how many times was Egene Carol on. Rachel Maddo? Right. Like it's not true. that everybody on the left has been. obsessed with Ken Paxton and Trump's. scandals and Christy Gnome and all of.

that, but a lot of people have been and. a lot of prominent pundits in media who. may now uh be very excited about Graham. Platner and who may now be defending. Graham Platner are actually getting a. look in the mirror a little bit or. finding out what it's like when the shoe. is on the other foot because Republican. voters, many of them since the primaries. in 2016 were telling people, "We no. longer care about this character. bullshit." No matter how much others. might disagree with it, no matter how. much I might disagree with it than. saying we don't care about it anymore. because we don't believe that Jeb Bush.

is that much better of a man as Donald. Trump, if he's going to at the time send. people back into the Middle East or if. he is going to make my life that much. harder. We don't necessarily believe. that because he has led this perfect. personal life, he's going to be a more. moral president. That goes back 10 years. for Republicans. You can go back to the. Clinton administration and the Winsky. scandal and hear Gloria Steinum and. other feminists making that case. Uh but. it was thrown out the window in the. Trump era for a lot of prominent. Democrats. And now they're finding out. that Republican voters, the sentiments.

of Republican voters who said, "We don't. care about this stuff anymore because we. are desperate after the Great Recession, after all of these failed wars in the. Middle East. Now with the AI boom. threatening to displace half of white. collar jobs, we just want somebody who. is going to metaphorically blow up the. political establishment. And it's a. lesser of two evils voting process for a. lot of voters out there now. And now the. left is uh with Grab Platner. experiencing a little bit of the the. Paxton case that Texas voters just. reckoned with last week.

>> Yes. Yes. Republicans gave up on this. with Trump. They back in 16 this was a. huge debate. You had all these. Republicans running as like true. conservatives against Trump saying like, "My god, look at his marital history.". You know, like he's had multiple. affairs, which he's bragged about in the. New York tabloids. It's like not a. secret. Um, and they didn't care. And. people tried to shame the evangelicals. into like, "How could you support him? Why wouldn't you be for Ted Cruz?" And. they loved Trump. They loved what he. stood for. And it was a big deal to have.

Republicans who were always like the, you know, the party of virtue say, "We. no longer care. We got to be honest. We. don't actually care about that anymore.". And that was the end of that. So it's. like it's going to be tough for. Republicans to make this sale too, right? That like Graham Platner's. marital issues are, you know, make him. beyond the pale. Like Republicans cannot. make that point. This is going to have. to be a Democrat issue. But I do find. lying interesting. And here is a whole.

bunch of it. Listen. In my view, listen. to Graham Platner trying to respond to. this and speaking to um the local ABC. outlet in Portland. >> It's no surprise to me that the. establishment media outlets are just. going to run gossip. Amy and I have a. very loving and very happy marriage. But. of course, the powers that be do not. want us to talk about that. And so. they're going to just do gossip instead. >> But the stories are true, right? About. the Texas. No, no. This is this is the. amazing part. The Wall Street Journal,

New York Times ran stories without any. evidence besides the gossip from a. former staffer. I'm sorry. That's uh. that's frankly journalistic malpractice. We pushed back on it. They went they did. it anyways. So, >> do you have a question? So, are you. confirming that the messages did not. exist? >> What's that? The message is they did. not. >> I'm confirming that what Genevie. McDonald said in the New York Times is. not true. >> So you never met with her about.

uncomfortable, for lack of a better. word, sexing messages as the campaign. was going. >> We talked about things in Amy and I's. marriage that we've gone through over. the years. We talked about that because. that's our marriage and we discussed it. with the campaign. What Genevie McDonald. claims isn't true. >> Okay. Everything he said is a lie. It's. an obvious lie. It's It's a dodge. Graham, not it. That was a fail. An. utter fail. We're not dumb. We're not.

stupid. I'm starting to think you might. be though, sir. Um, okay. Tries to blame. the establishment media as reporting. gossip. They got it indirectly from your. wife. Your wife is your outer. Sorry. She's the one who outed you. That's why. we believe it. And the person who. repeated what your wife told them was at. the time she received the information. your campaign manager. Someone who at. that time at least was loyal to you. By.

the way, that's another thing that's on. you. You apparently chose somebody who's. not loyal and that also is on you as a. leader. Um, okay. Then he says, then. they say, "So it's not true what what. they reported is not true." No. The Wall. Street Journal and the New York Times. ran stories without evidence besides. what they heard from. someone whoever he said. They so they. ran without evidence. E evidence is a.

first person testimonial or a second. person testimonial if if received from a. reliable source. And that's what they. ran. That is evidence. And he knows damn. well that's true. And and they both know. that Amy's the source, the wife is the. source. Then he says, the a reporter, good for her, says, "Are you saying the. messages do not exist?". And now our audience knows there. We. don't hear yes. We don't hear no. We. hear a dodge. What I'm saying is that. what Genevieve McDonald said is not.

true. Well, I mean, any amateur lie. detector can drive a truck through the. loopholes in that non-denial denial. Genevieve used the word 12 when in fact. there were only six. Or I wouldn't. describe baby you're hot and I want you. [snorts] as a sex. I think a sex has to. have explicit language in it about your. unit or hers, right? Like whatever. That's such a joke of a he's got to get. better at lying if he's going to be a.

politician. Then um. you you never you never did you never. met with her regarding sexing. And once. again, we we talked about the state of. Jen of uh Amy and I's marriage, which is. I mean the the English needs some work. Um we talked about it. Yeah. So that's. eventually he gets to what's effectively. an admission. I mean again, here are the. two options. You should either just say.

I'm not going to answer questions about. this. Amy and I did go through something. at the beginning of my marriage. We. worked it out and we continue to work it. out. We're both happily married. and. beyond that, it's none of your business. I think most people would accept that. They'd be like, "You're right. It. actually isn't any of my business." But. this this is just going to keep. the story alive because Republicans who. may not be feeling all that judgy thanks. to Trump have no problem amplifying a. scandal on the left when it comes to one.

of the main Senate seats the GOP needs. to defend. And he just gave them so much. fodder. He gave them so much fertilizer. on those seeds, Emily, which was a. massive neoight error on his part. >> And I wouldn't doubt that there's more. to come. It's very early in this race. I. mean, it's not even past this technical. primary, but I would bet there'll be. more to come for Platiner. That's where. uh I've been fascinated by this campaign. since he launched because it seemed to. me like he was he was trying to do a. sort of postTrump.

uh campaign where he understood or his. consultants also understood the value of. authenticity even if sometimes it's like. performative authenticity but the value. of just like getting out there and. owning your Reddit posts and being like. hey I just. was just I'd seen a lot of stuff I was. struggling I wasn't doing well yes I. called myself a communist and a. socialist. But I, you know, I'm I'm not now. And. that's where this is would have been an. opportunity for him to just go in front. of the c cameras and instead of denying.

anything or doing these artful dodges. that weren't so artful as in last night, he could have just said, "You people. don't care about the mistakes I made in. my marriage. They care that I am going. to make their healthc care affordable. They care that I'm going to take on the. establishment on X, Y, and Z. I'm going. to stop these wars." I mean, like, that's what he could have done. He's. tried to do a little bit of both, as has. his wife who said, "I'm I'm very upset. that we're talking about this and not. the issues." But he could have just. leaned into it and been like, "I'm not. even going to talk about it." Like you. said, Megan and that would have been.

probably a way better. Like we saw this. with Tyler Rico last week. Tyler Rico. tried to do his cleanup tour and you. covered it where he came out and said, "Of course I believe that there are only. two sexes." He's on tape saying there. are six sexes, at least six sexes. You. can't do that if you're running these. new campaigns because the one thing. people want to know is that you believe. what you're saying that you believe. Like that's the biggest problem for. Platner right now. He needs to come. across as at least being honest because. once you lose that, they might not trust.

that you actually are going to make. healthcare cheaper, that you actually. are going to vote against wars. Like. that's how low institutional trust is. You have to meet the moment. I mean, there's a difference, too, in my. mind between, for example, what that. disgusting Republican in Texas did, uh, congressman, where he was cheating with. a staffer who worked for him, demanding. nudes from her. Um, and this woman's. life blew up as a result of this affair.

to the point where she wound up setting. herself on fire, taking her own life. And this congressman took no. responsibility. That's a filthy pig. and. he was basically forced to say he's. going to resign. Um only after Swallwell. fell apart, however, you know, and. Swallwell's behavior, that's that's. different than just being like whatever. this is, you're sexing behind the back. of your wife. Again, for the record, not. an endorsement. Don't want it to happen, just saying, you know, there these each. of these things has to be evaluated on a. case-byase basis. Um but the way not to.

handle it is to just lie to the public. and pretend it's the media's fault. That's not what this is. Sorry, you're. going to have to deal with it. Now, potentially more despicable than any of. those items we just listed is child. exploitation. Don't know whether Graham Platner's ever. done that at all. Needs to be. investigated. That actually we do need. to know about. I don't know how you get. on kick and figure out exactly what. interactions Graham Platner had, but why.

is a 32-year-old man on there, a website. that is known for sexually exploiting. minors? Here's the Daily Wire's. reporting on it. It's called A. Predator's Paradise. [snorts] Um, it was. created in June of 2016. His his his. particular uh kick profile. Here's his. picture. Look at this. It's disgusting. It's his weirdly stout kind of fat body. wearing a white towel covering just. below the navl. Obviously, he thinks.

this looks hot and enticing. I can see. the damn toilet. So, apparently he. thinks we he should show off the. That's going to entice some. lady. Um, you can see all of his tats, so you know it's him. And he cut off his. head. So, he wants you to see his not. hot chest. Sorry, Graham. And his. toilet. like I'm this is all so gross. It's just. gross. So he posts this on there. He. joined in June of 2016. Again, he was.

almost 32 when he joined. Um 70% of. users on Kick reports the Daily Wire are. between the ages of 13 and 24. That's that's a lot younger. You you are. walking into a potentially much younger. dynamic there. A Forbes investigation. found that Kick had a quote huge child. exploitation problem. The BBC found that. the app was at the center of over,00. child sexual abuse cases in the UK.

between 2013 and 2018 just around the. time he was joining. Um it has been. described as having quote the app as. being quote the app with the most severe. sexual content. Uh, it offers sexually. explicit live chats with women and it's. often found at the center of sex. exploitation cases where the predators. coke someone into sending nude photos. and then use the images for blackmail,

reported the New York Times in 2016. In. 2025, a main man was sentenced to 30 to 60. years in prison for producing videos, forgive me, this is disturbing, of. children being raped and distributing. the videos in a kick chat room. Uh, on top of this, among his past. Reddit posts that have become. controversial, there was one in 2017 in. which he said he had to jerk off every. time I sit in a quote pora That.

whole thing is a quote. Nice. I mean, first of all, who does that? And who? Second of all, who posts that? It's just. And I don't want to hear PTSD. Frankly, I really don't. I know a lot of vets. I. know so many vets. And I've interviewed. countless vets. And they're not, you. know, it doesn't say make you perverted. That's That's not a thing where you. become just a pervert. You're jerking. off every time you're in a portaotti and. you're on inappropriate websites where. children like to go. What the f is that? Don't shame your fellow veterans by. trying to chalk that up to PTSD. And.

here's the another one where he. described graffiti of a penis as quote. beautiful and then quote engorged and. veiny and moving quote towards its. penetrative glory. I'm sorry. There's. something off with this guy. This this. this is the stuff that would stop that. would stop me if I were a Democrat who. really want to control the Senate. I'd. say no. It's a no. I do have some. standards. He's disgusting. I'm deeply. disturbed and I know I need to know. exactly how far he's gone online, when,

and with whom. >> The kick stuff is weird. I have no idea. what kick is by that description. It. seems like a place that has a reputation. for being just overtly, not even just. with children, but like very very. sexual. So, was there overlap between. his relationship with his now wife and. his time on kick? My understanding is. that the campaign has said that this was. his uh kick profile and he also just. hasn't he deleted the app from his phone. long ago. It hasn't been active in a.

really long time. So there's of course a. question about that timeline uh and and. why he seems to have been spending so. much time on the internet even just like. talking about sexual stuff. I mean he. talked about everything. He talked about. politics, talked about drugs, he talked. about um all kinds of weird stuff on. Reddit over the years. So, I just he he. was clearly spending a lot of time. online. And I think one of the. questions, Megan, is did in 2017 when he. says he started getting help from the. VA. Uh did that really like is is he.

like let's just say like I think a lot. of people have enormous amount of grace. for people who served for combat tours. Um but is he better? Honestly, is he is. he well enough to be in the Senate? Is. this would he still be if he weren't. running for Senate? Would he be uh. spending time posting now, cheating on. his wife now? Like, I don't know. It's. it's a bad pattern and it's not that far. in the past. I do think a lot of voters. are just going to say screw it because. they want to get Susan Collins out of. there. But at the same time, uh probably. other people, you can just not vote.

Also, like for some people, they may. just say, "All right, I'm out. I don't. have a clear dog in this fight because I. don't know that he's great and I also, you know, don't want to vote for that.". So, it you could see that going uh. different ways, especially if there's. more to come between now and November. >> Well, if you're a Democrat in Maine or. nationwide, especially if you're in leadership, don't you want to get to the bottom of. this before next Tuesday? >> You'd think. >> I mean, what what if there really is. something on there that's absolutely. devastating that would make everyone run.

away from him? And don't forget, on the. other side of him is not Ken Paxton. on. the other side of him is going to be. Susan Collins who's totally palatable. for most mayers. That's why they've. they've reelected her term after term. after term. Like she's not so far right. that she's totally alienating to people. who are liberal in Maine, obviously. So, like if there's another shoe to drop. here, I would imagine if you're on team. blue, you want it to drop right now when. you could potentially get that main. governor back in this race and she's.

going to be on the ballot because she. dropped out so late anyway and and maybe. try to drive the vote to her. I wonder. if that's actually why this went into. the Wall Street Journal and the New York. Times when it did, Megan, because the. Janet Mills people and and Janet Mills, by the way, had the support of Chuck. Schumer. It had lots of money coming in. and endorsements from prominent national. Democrats, which after she dropped out, I mean, they thought for sure the Nazi. stuff would would cook Platner, but he. got the tattoo covered up and he said, "Didn't know.". >> They they never get tired of that trick. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they thought. it was going to work. They thought it.

was going to be smooth sailing for Janet. Mills, who is a terrible candidate, by. the way. Yes. She's the sitting. governor, but she is just a terrible. candidate for the position he's. >> Yeah. Susan Collins is no good either. She keeps winning. >> But Susan Collins is a great retail. politician. Like that woman is at every. opening. Like she is all over the state. She's brought a lot of money back to the. state by being in the Senate over the. years. And she can talk to she knows. everybody in the state uh from the sort. of main political folks that I know. She's just excellent. That's why she's. been able to to last so long because she.

she travels the whole state, talks to. everyone. So, that could be a real. problem for Platin, too. There's just a. lot of built-in goodwill for Susan. Collins around the state of Maine. That's why they thought they had Sarah. Gideon last time they tried to get rid. of Susan Collins. They thought they had. it. They put so much money in this race. They thought they had a great candidate, fell flat, didn't work. Polls were. wrong, too. So, it's a it's a tough. race. You're right. It's not like Ken. Paxton on the other side of it. Uh, and. I think that does kind of change the. dynamic a bit, but maybe that's why this. was dropping to the times and the Wall.

Street Journal is that the source, I. think Genevieve McDonald, the former. campaign manager, was getting pressure, maybe pressure from herself, too, to try. and spoil the the primary at the last. minute and get Mills back into the race. I don't think Mills gives them a better. chance of beating Susan Collins, no. matter what is to come on Graham. Platner, assuming it's not like horrible. child abuse. Um, but other than that, I. I think he's still probably a better. candidate. We'll see what happens. though. Uh because that she I guess she. could she's on the ball. >> It's not horrible child abuse. Obviously.

that would do anybody in. But if he had. any sort of meaningful interaction with. somebody who was underage, he's toast. >> Yeah, I agree. >> He's toast. And I do wonder whether. there's something that somebody knows. that's being withheld. I don't know. But. there like a lot of this stuff is. traceable on these social media. websites. We'll find out. He said um he. was asked he got the Lulu Garcia Navaro. treatment at the New York Times. Well, I'll just play it. Um this is two weeks.

ago. Saw three. >> But the GOP is going to dig up. everything um and more that they can. >> Yeah. And probably lie at some point. >> Is there something new you want to get. ahead of? >> No. I mean like we've I've been I've. lived my life. I like I've been there. for the whole thing and it's and because. of that like I I I mean I know what I've. what I've been through. I know what I've. I know what my behavior has been. I know.

all of it. And the I mean there's a. reason that even after however many. months that was October when they. dropped the opposition research stuff on. us and the whole time there was always. this like oh there's more coming. I'm. always like I don't know like what this. more is going to be. So those are more lies because when he. said that he knew that he had been. sexing with. six 12 a baker's dozen I don't know. number of women not his wife with.

sexually explicit messages. Um he knew. so he was lying there and um for what. it's worth though he's saying nothing. nothing is coming. Now that turned out. not to be true because we have this. scandal. Let's see whether there's. something more. Like to think that if he were. communicating in any way with somebody. underage, again, zero evidence of that, just his presence on kick, which could. have been just about women and explicit. chats. I don't know. Um, that he. wouldn't have said something so.

explicit. I do want to point out though. that his campaign threatened this. Genevieve McDonald in, you know, a. pretty offensive way. Uh this guy Morris. Katz who was with Mom Donnie uh who's. now a Platner campaign strategist. He um. first he's tweeted out it's no one's. business what happened in Graham. and Amy's marriage before he was ever a. candidate for office. Again before he. was a candidate for office. This is the. new Democrat standard. Oh what? Like.

does it have to be during the candidacy? Is that [laughter] now what limits the. scandal? They have to be doing it while. they're actually running. I don't think. so. But this guy is the one who. allegedly threatened Genevieve, the. former campaign manager. And um she said. that he wrote a message to her as. follows. Just want to be clear before. these stories broke on where we are. right now. If the story goes in its. current iteration, this is for the Wall. Street Journal piece which was first.

We'll communicate directly on the record. and by name that Genevieve violated the. personal trust of Amy and Graham and. shared explicit falsehoods to sabotage. the campaign. Um she said in her post. that's when I called the New York Times. and offered to go on the record. So that. backfired mightily and now we're reduced. to these two calling it gossip and her. saying, "I don't want a perfect. marriage. I want my marriage." Well, pardon the rest of us if we we want.

nothing to do with your marriage. That's. the last thing I want for my marriage. And I don't think it's exactly an. example. You know, barely married and. sexing six to 12 others and then. everyone's in therapy for God knows how. long. It's not great. Um, okay, moving. on. The other big races. So that race is. going to be well the the Democrat. primary comes up a week from tomorrow in. Maine. But tomorrow is the big. California vote at the gubanatorial. level and at the mayoral level that's.

also got a lot of interesting stuff. going on. Um. Steve Hilton who's been in the lead. oftentimes by a lot then it started to. narrow and now he's lost the lead. Uh, Basera is ahead by a couple of points. It's not a huge, you know, advance, but. he's ahead now by a couple of points. And in two is the vile, loathsome Tommy. Styer, only one point ahead of Steve.

Hilton. But Steve Hilton, now we. reported this on AM update, is now. begging Republicans in California to not. split the GOP vote because Chad Biano is. now in, I think, fifth or sixth. He's. like, "Please, with no offense to Chad, you've got to vote for me because we. can't we could now be looking at those. two Democrats in the runoff with no. Republican choice." Your thoughts? I. mean, they're on the cusp of something. very exciting in California, and it will. be disillusioning if he doesn't cross.

into the runoff tomorrow because again, there are so many people in California, Democrats, independents, who just want. something that is not from the left. right now in California because even the. like anti-establishment left has run. cities like Los Angeles into the ground. Karen Bass not considered to be like the. most establishment Hillary Clinton type. politician. They've seen this over and. over again throughout their state. Gavin. Newsome tries to act like he's Mr.

Progressive. Well, look at the record in. California for for Gavin Newsome. And so. there's just so many people who are. tired of it. They want something new. It's it's kind of like what we've been. talking about the whole show. They're. just they're desperate. They might be. Democrats who don't like that Spencer. Pratt maybe is uh you know, whatever he. thinks about abortion, right? they might. think it's it's MAGA or with uh Steve. Hilton they might think he's MAGA. although I think he's handled those. questions pretty well but at this point. they're willing to try something. different and it is going to be. disillusioning if uh Styer of all people.

billionaire Tommy Styer is the one who. snatches it away from Steve Hilton at. the last moment. >> Oh, it's so gross on every level. I have. a lot more to say on Styer and we are. doing our deep dive into John Ham. Um, but we've got to talk about both of. these, the mayoral race out there and. the gubanatorial race because the. People's Republic of California has. suffered enough. I I cannot believe that. the woman who allowed their city to burn.

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now separating here, we we were on. gubernatorial, so we'll stay there for a. minute before we just talk about how. Karen Bass burned their city down and. they're still going to reelect her. Um, at the gubernatorial level, Tommy Styer. is now making a run and unfortunately. he's got momentum. You know, he's kind. of like peing um right when you want to. peak like days before this primary. And. what is he doing? What is it that's. capturing the hearts and minds of. Californians? It's his nonsense. I think.

reach out on the trans people in sports. issue. Amazingly, th this is where the the 15% of. Americans who support that nonsense. live. You know, it truly is between an. 80 and 90% support issue to keep boys. out of girls sports in America. But it. the it is at least an 82% who want who. don't want it. At least 82% have said. that they don't want in poll after poll. So where are those what call it 18% of.

the Americans they they must be in. California. I mean quite clearly they. are because it seems to be helping him. which must be why he's doing it. So he. takes time out in the story all last. week in the news all last week was this. AB Hernandez who we've been following. for quite some time here on the MK show. who's a boy pretending to be a girl in. track and field who has stolen medal. after medal of the girls he's competing. against who has broken record after. record. It's easy when you're a boy uh. in the girls sports and now it's been. the state championship where he again.

broke records and stole girls medals and. these girls are forced to subject. themselves to the indignity of sharing. the top riser with him. This one girl. next to him. I mean honestly it's like. you'd think this would do it because the. girl who seems to have actually won in. most of these meets is a beautiful young. black girl who is forced to share her. award with this white male. Hello, Democrats. We're supposed to hate them. This is a white male stealing the. bragging and other rights belonging to a.

black female American. Where are you? Where are you? Uh, they don't give a. because he's pretending to be a. girl, which ranks him higher than actual. girls, even actual girls of color. I. don't understand the leftist philosophy. I'm just repeating what it is. Um, so. enter Tommy Styer to try to make a hero. out of this boy AB Hernandez and his. mother. Here's a sound. You guys were talking about me and the. support that I had despite all the.

social media drama. So, I thought I. found it pretty interesting that you. you're set on just a basically a set. choice on where you stand with trans. athletes. >> I am. >> It was nice to have just have a straight. decision on who you support. Most people. support you 90% of the time, just not. the 10% you need them for. If we're. going to be on side, then we're on side. 100% of the time. >> I've been outed like so many times over. and over. You know, docs where I go to. school. So, I feel like more safety.

aspect and not just supporting but. >> protecting. Yeah. Protection. >> I totally agree. I was saying in this um. town hall, it's the job of the governor. to stand between danger and. Californians. And I mean it. and to make sure that. people are safe and to protect them from. all the malign influences in this world. And I take that super super super. seriously for you, just so you know. And. I'm so proud of you for what you're. doing. Thank you. >> So proud of you for succeeding. So part.

proud of you for competing. >> I That's really the point. And I'm going. to hope like heck that you don't just. make state, but you do really well. there. >> Okay. So, it's it's his job to put. himself between danger and Californians. What about the what about the little. girls? What about the danger? Why isn't. he standing between that danger and the. little girls of California? Don't they. count? Don't they matter, Tommy Styer? Do you give two shits about the girls.

who are actually being hurt? Honestly, again, track and fields is not one of. those sports because they don't actually. have to be touching one another. They. run, they they jump, they jump high, they jump long. Um, but girls in field. hockey, in soccer, in volleyball, in. basketball are being hurt on the. regular, and he doesn't care. He's not. he's not willing to put himself through. between that danger and those. experiencing it. In fact, he's willing.

to help cause it. Shame on this guy. And. then Emily, he says, "The job of the. governor is to protect against all of. the malign influences in the world.". No, it isn't. What are you saying? I. don't want my elected official to to. think that's his job. There are certain. identifiable dangers that an elected. politician, depending on the office, is. responsible for, i.e. the border if you. are president. That's real. Okay. And.

President Trump actually did issue some. exe executive orders to protect young. girls from this danger caused by. athletes like AB Hernandez. That's. appropriate. But what who wants to elect. a politician who thinks it's his it's. his remmit to protect all Californians. against all of the malign influences in. the world. That is such a Democrat way. of thinking. Everything is government's. problem. Everything is in government's.

hands. And that's why you have to be. taxed up to your eyeballs and give it. all to the Tommy Styers of the world, including the billionaires who have not. given enough even though they've spent. more on taxes than the rest of us. combined. They they need to spend more. They have to give it to to Tommy Styer. because he's busy protecting us from the. most malign influences in the world all. the time. All All of this is just a tell. that we are dealing with a radically. left man. >> Yeah. He wants to be your daddy as. governor of California. But this is the.

tragedy of California is the state that. used to be the frontier, the American. frontier where people could. self-actualize and uh go and and have an. amazing middle class life. The beginning. of LA Confidential makes me so sad. Like. this is a very weird reference, but if. you're watching the beginning of the. film, there's all of these like reels of. how California used to be depicted in. the mid-century period. And it makes you. so sad to look at what California was, what it symbolized to the country. And. now it actually is full of a lot of. people, I think Megan, your point is. correct, who are attracted to what Tom.

Cyrus is saying because we saw what. happened during CO in California. There. were people who wanted the governor to. be their daddy, who wanted their local. mayors to be their daddy. Like they. wanted security over freedom. And that. is so the opposite of what California. used to symbolize in the United States. what it meant culturally to us, how it. was politically, it is the exact. opposite. But I think that's probably. why to some extent this is working. because Megan, I don't know about you, I. think Tom Star is one of the few. Americans who believes what he's saying. Like I think he genuinely believes that.

these athletes should be able to compete. with girls. And I think he is of the. minority. He's he's so far-left and. progressive on this question. He. genuinely believes what he's saying. And. there's something when you're in a tight. race that's being pulled in multiple. different directions with failed. politicians like Javier Bera who lost so. many migrant children under the Biden. administration under his purview when he. was serving in the Biden administration. Uh people look at the failed politicians. in the race and they say well this Tom.

Star guy he shares my cultural beliefs. is going to protect us, protect. California from the mean Republicans, uh, who want to do us harm. And I want. somebody to come in and make me feel. safer in all of these different ways as. as governor that aren't typically seen. as like government duty, right? Like. physically safer uh, in certain cases. Like the baseline in California, you. should be physically safe walking down. the streets of Los Angeles, right? like. you should be safe from like some of. these fundamental duties of the.

government which is to keep mentally ill. people off the streets. Help them get. treatment. Help them get treatment. This. is what Steve Hilton and and Spencer. Pratt talk about. Protect them. Protect. them from themselves. Protect other. people from where that is going to go. But he wants to run the country or he. wants to run the state in the opposite. direction. Uh and it's all just and it's. it's oddly in the name of like personal. freedom. It's this bastardization on the. left, right? they don't want uh people. to have uh the the sort of basic. freedoms like second amendment rights. and the like. But then when it comes to.

uh the personal freedom to be on the. street and camping in unsafe conditions. for yourself, let alone others, that. personal freedom they're good with. And. it's the tragedy of California. I think. you see it in one candidate here. I. mean, in much of the candidates, but. he's he's really crystallizing it. >> You are so right. Right. I remember. talking to Charlie Sheen and reading his. book about the California he grew up in. when you know he was a kid in the 70s. Martin Sheen was his dad and of course. famous. But he used to talk about. exactly what you're describing and how.

it wasn't this like hard leftist weird. place. It was just a beautiful gorgeous. big desert um with relatively mild. temperatures that you could raise your. family uh on and not be bothered. And it. also reminds me of California and. Governor Reagan. Governor Reagan before. he became President Reagan in his famous. the the scariest nine words in the. English language. I'm from the. government and I'm here to help. Right. That nobody nobody ever wants to hear. And this is exactly the opposite of. that. That now this guy wants Ronald.

Reagan's job. And God help us. It's. possible he could get it. Um at the. mayoral level, they actually might elect. the woman who let their city burn. It's. amazing. She she fell down on the job so. many ways. I mean, they're seriously. thinking about letting Gavin Newsome. like get the Democratic nomination. I'm. sure there are a lot of Californians who. would like it. Bill Maher's one of them. Um, and letting Karen Bass stay in this. office after she burned down half their.

city. No, she didn't light the match, but she helped create the conditions. that created a tinder box in the Pacific. Palisades and beyond. And there she's. leading. She's leading right now in the. re-election battle, Emily. >> And I mean, granted, the vote is split. between her and Nithia Ramen, but Nitia. Ramen's purview on city council has been. dealing with homelessness in Los. Angeles, which is one of the reasons. that Spencer Pratt is surging. And so, when you're faced with these options, this is what happens in deep blue and.

deep red states. The party is so. entrenched because there's so little. competition that you end up with like. the worst possible candidates. No great. offense to Ken Paxton and John Cornin, but I think you said something similar. in Texas. Like it happens when you have. one party that is really firmly in. control of states. Uh it's so hard to. veer away from this pattern of failure. because all of the candidates are part. of the pattern of failure. And I think. that might be working to Tom Styer's. advantage because even though he is a. part of the leftwing establishment, just. because he comes from the business.

community, I mean that man has been. intertwined with the NGO world and the. Democratic party now for many years. But. I think that's partially why he probably. is surging. He doesn't represent like. the Biden administration like Javier. Bera who you covered him coming into. that local news interview with such a. sense of entitlement. Oh, this is going. to be a nice profile, right? That's how. it is when you have these states and. that are so deeply in one party or the. other. It's so hard to get out of the. vicious cycle. And that's why it's going. to be very disillusioning if I think two. of the best chances for not Republicans. but independents to just try and break.

the cycle. Even if you don't agree with. Pratt and Hilton on 100% of things, like. this is what scares California Democrats. into being better, is having a little. bit of competition. And it's not going. to work if you have Karen Bass and then. like Tommy Styer, Javier Bera stepping. into these roles. It's not going to. work. >> Can you imagine if it's those two who. advance if Steve Hilton doesn't even. make the runoff for governor and you've. got those two other losers vying for the. top job? And and what if you know what.

if at the at the mayoral level it's not. Spencer Pratt. What if these other two. what if Karen Bass gets over 50%. I. don't think so unless Nithia Ramen drops. out. But you've got 60 plus% of the vote. ready to side with the Democrats. As. much as we'd like to believe that. Spencer Pratt has momentum, you know, he's in a three-way tie right now. Like. that sounds exciting for a Republican, that means twothirds are with the. Democrats there. Not to be a buzzkill. I'm just looking at the numbers. It's. like it's it's Lucy with the football,

you know? It's like there. >> are these people in LA actually going to. vote for Spencer Pratt? I mean, I hope. so. I'd love for him to just pull a. rabbit out of a hat, but. there's a re reason California got into. the mess it's in, and it's because of. very, very bad voting choices. Um, okay, keeping keeping going. Dr. Jill, she's. out there. I I love this woman. I'm. like, you go, girl. You should have your. say. Blow it up. Blow it. Take the.

grenade and throw the right in the. middle of that. Why should we over on. team sanity have all the problems. Like. we got enough issues of our own. By the. way, the Iran deal has completely fallen. apart. The ceasefire may be off. That's. been blown to smitherines. Israel. continued to bomb uh Lebanon. Qatar is. involved. It's it's a mess and I. don't think it's got any chance of. ending soon, unfortunately. Um, and also. Exxon just said gas prices are looking. like they're going to go up to $150 to. $160.

per barrel in the coming weeks. They're. now in the '9s. >> So, that's terrible. This is a nightmare. politically and otherwise. >> We have our own problems over here on. the right, center right, and independent. right as I am. So, I'm fine with Dr. Jill throwing a little hornets nest over. [laughter]. into our leftist friend's camp. She has. decided that now would be a great time. to revive the debate over whether Joe. Biden's [laughter] mental health was. perfect while he was running for for.

president. And I am here for it. [snorts] She's also not happy she's not. being shown the respect she thinks she. deserves on this book roll out which. it's supposed to be about her her and. not just Joe Biden. Let me start with. that one just because it's fun and it. this is angry Jill Biden who's giving. Gail King vibes of I'm inspirational. Craig Melvin whether you know it or not. I'm an inspiration watch and I think we. have to point out Craig like that's one.

chapter of my book my book is not about. politics it's about me my reflections my. life my life as a teacher my life as the. first working lady you know first lady. I mean, I went to work. I taught at a. community college. I took a paycheck. I. wanted to say to American women, "Look. at me. I am like you are. [laughter]. >> Look at me.

>> I too can have a private car and drive. me to the suburbs and teach." [laughter]. >> Can you believe she said? I mean, that. shows her panic because I'll show you. the earlier questions which are all. about the nonsense in the chapter about. Joe Biden and you know his mental. deterioration, the debate and all that, but like that's her in a panic. Like. this is supposed to be about me. She's. basically saying my Booker and your. Booker agreed you were going to talk. about me and what an inspiration I am.

Where's that Craig? And he kept calling. her Dr. Jill. This fake obsequiousness. It wasn't even real obsequiousness. It. was like he knew he had to do it just. for like the price of admission and. having her sit there. It's so painful. And then here is some more on how it. went when it came to her covers for Joe. Biden on how well he allegedly did at. the debate. Remember after the debate. she told us all like, "Oh, he was. impressive." And now she answered. She.

thought he was having. >> He answered every question. Megan, >> how dare you? >> Such a good boy. It's like it's like my. Strudwick. When I say sit, he sits. When. I say shake, he shakes. He's like, "Good. boy." Okay, here's uh Saut 14 to start. with. >> How do you square thinking that he may. have had a stroke with what you were. saying in the days and weeks after? How. do you square this? >> Well, look, Craig, look at it from my. point of view. So, I'm watching just. like everybody else was scared to death. Like, what is going on? He gets off the.

stage. I see he appears to be okay. He. says to me, "Jill, I really, in other. words, uh, messed up, didn't I?" And I. said, "Yes, you did." And so, we get off. and I know we're going into another. event or we have two more to do. And I'm. think, my mind is racing. What do I say. to him? What do I say to him? I'm his. wife. I've got to lift him up. So, we go. to the next event and I'm thinking, what. do I say that will lift him up that is. true? I want to say the things that are.

true. And so I said, [laughter] you. know, you answered every question. My. mind's racing. You know, >> that's a pretty low bar. >> Well, [laughter]. well, and so I, you know, I had to sort. of lift him up. I mean, I'm his wife. I'm not going to get out on the stage. there and say, "Joe, you really screwed. that up." I had to support him. I. couldn't come out and I mean, really. publicly say, "Joe, you did a terrible. job in that debate.". That is so horrific. She bullied every.

member of the Democrat party who was. even mildly critical of him on the. mental health question both before and. after the debate. Look, all the news. from then that days to this has been. about how bitter Jill and Joe are that. he was forced out of the campaign after. that. How the indignity of it, how.

unfair they thought it was. And now she. admits the whole reason she said you. answered every question was because it. was the only true statement she could. think of to say to him after what she. recognized was a disaster. the nerve of. her to bully everyone and now admit she. totally shared their viewpoint. And the. reason we saw her speaking to him like. he was a toddler is because it was the. only thing she could think of to say. that was that was factually true.

>> This this woman is in such an incredible. bubble. And I think part of this is that. you have people like Joe Scarbor meeting. with Biden uh before the debate, long. before the debate actually, coming back. and saying, "This is the best Joe Biden. that I've ever seen." You had the media. being successfully bullied by the White. House into basically dropping the story. about whether or not Joe Biden was like. ailing and having serious cognitive. decline in front of everyone's face. And. Joe Biden got used to that from the. media. And I think she is a little bit. taken aback by the questions that she's.

getting on this what was supposed to be. clearly a very soft and warm PR tour for. her book. But of course, her book does. deal with her role, though it's not, you. know, an emission of any guilt, but it. deals with her role in what has to be. considered one of the biggest scandals. in presidential history here in the. United States, which is that you had a. president who was declining in front of. everybody's eyes. Uh, you had the media. barely willing to touch the story and. everyone around him denying it. And to. me, when I look at Joe Biden, I just see.

such an example of the people that Joe. Biden has surrounded himself with over. the course of his life. His family, his. his son Hunter, obviously Jill, they. were living for most of Joe Biden's. career pretty normal lives. Joe Biden. didn't cash out and go into lobbying or. anything like that. And I think it made. them deeply resentful of uh the the way. that they lived. Like they want to be. rich. They want to be comfortable. And. they've always had to have like Frank. and Valerie and James off uh stage, you.

coming up with money and lobbying, pedaling the influence, Hunter, and then. putting it all back into the family in. one way or the other uh instead of just. like being able to live comfortably and. sort of bask in the glow of Joe Biden's. career and and be wealthy. And I think. that's how desperate they are to be rich. is that she is now selling a book. without any I mean I think she has some. knowledge that people have turned on the. Biden family have turned on her but I. don't think she understood how deep it. was and she was still willing willing to. go out there and sell this book cuz she.

thought maybe it would be okay. Her. husband is literally I mean I'm sorry. but he's probably in the process of. dying right now because he has stage. four bones. That's what they tell us. And Hunter has said Hunter went on soft. white underbelly last week and talked. about the fact that it is very hard for. his dad right now. he has trouble. sleeping and everything like that, which. we would expect. And his wife's up in. New York trying to sell this book uh by. saying that he like spilling inside. details about when he had what probably. the most embarrassing moment of his.

entire life. Uh and he's willing to let. it happen apparently because he wants. them to be okay when he's gone. He wants. him to have money. And I think that's. what this is about at the end of the. day. >> Exactly. So, she she wouldn't pile on. him the night of the debate, but she's. fine piling on him now that we know he. has stage four bone damage. Now would be. a much better time to to hurt to hurt. the husband. And here is speaking of. hurting the husband. Listen to this. I. listened to the Today Show interview and. this was the part that that struck me as. the most gling, more gling than I'm a.

role model. People should respect me. This interview should be about me. because I'm a role model. Again, giving. Gail King Have you been vibes? Um, more. than that, listen to SAT 14B. >> If you could go back in a time machine. and do it all over again, would you have. encouraged him maybe to not run again? >> You know, as I look back, would I want. to put Joe through the hurt and the pain. that we felt during that time? Never. >> Never. God. I mean, it was so hurtful.

And um. >> so it sounds like you're saying if you. could do it all over again, you probably. would have encouraged him to to be a. one-term president, >> but it had to be his decision, Craig. >> The pain he went through, honestly, like. I I'm not a Democrat. I was never voting. for Joe Biden, but if I were, I think. I'd be feeling rage throughout my entire. body. the pain he went through as a. result of him choosing to run again and.

then getting embar em embarrassing. himself on the national stage and. getting forced out. The Democrat party. is apoplelectic right now over the fact. that Donald Trump is president and they. hate everything he's doing and it's. because of Joe Biden. I mean like. there's no question those two things are. intimately linked. not only his. implosion on the debate stage in the way. he was, but of course the lawfare, all. the that Joe Biden unleashed. against Trump to make him a more. sympathetic figure to make people a.

backlash against Joe Biden to teach the. Democrats a lesson about unfair lawfare. And then on top of it, putting an infirm. man out there and the media. establishment, the Democrat. establishment trying to tell me not to. all of us not to believe our lying eyes, right? And now to say she feels sorry. for Joe about what that did to him. And. by the way, she's the one who made him. do it. Remember she was infamously at. that dinner where she announced that. he's running again to the shock of his. campaign aids who were there like what?

Like she's I don't she's as bad as he. is. She's as bad as Hunter, as much of a. grifter. She's all the things we. suspected she was when we saw her. weekend at Bernie's him into the second. run. And here she's inadvertently. confirming it all. I think she actually. is is significantly worse than her. husband because I think we all now at. this point understand that Joe Biden. probably was not lucid enough to be. consciously making all of these.

decisions. U I'm like that's a really. upsetting thing to say just as an. American that your president probably. wasn't capable of making these decisions. independently. It was probably very. reliant on what he was hearing from. other people because he was losing his. grasp his his complete grasp on reality. which is something that we saw every day. in front of our own eyes or at least the. days that he was willing to go in front. of cameras. So if I were just I there. was a really interesting conversation on. pod saveave America the Obama guys who. now podcast they were talking about how. it was so interesting they were like.

people don't understand how the Biden. cognitive decline scandal is affecting. people's perceptions of Democrats around. the country. They were like narrowly are. people going to go to the polls and vote. on whether or not you somebody was. covering up the Biden decline? No. But. every single Democratic candidate and. many pundits who are supporting. Democratic candidates now have to climb. themselves out of this deep hole just in. terms of like people's general vibe. about whether or not they're. trustworthy. And national Democrats have.

no seem to have no idea how much of that. goes directly back to them going on. camera over and over again over the. course of honestly five years because. they did the same thing during the. primary with Joe Biden saying he is fine. which got worse and worse with every. single year. And so they are infuriated. But you know who should be mad is people. like Janet Mills who had to drop out of. the main race because nobody trusts the. Democratic establishment anymore. It. goes directly back to the trust deficit. that a lot of Democrats come just. naturally to every single race right.

now. It's not always just Joe Biden. It's also voting for terrible things. Inflation uh and all of that. Yes. The. border. Yes. But this is such a big part. of it too. and they can't escape it. right now in a midterm cycle when Jill. Biden decided to sell a damn book in the. middle of a midterm cycle. Like it's. unbelievable the selfishness. >> Remember Dean Phillips who ran. >> and tried to say he was like this. moderate nice Democrat who was like. respectfully I think Joe Biden's like.

not in any condition to do a second. term. They killed him. They absolutely. crushed that guy. Um Adam Smith, not to. be confused with Adam Schiff. uh he's a. Republic or a Democrat congressman from. from Washington State. He came on our. show and he said the truth about Joe. Biden's uh mental infirmity and he was. never heard from again. Like I just saw. him actually out there giving an. interview in response to this book, but. like he he's certainly not a Democrat. favorite. Those Bidens ruined people.

ruined people or and certainly at least. tried who had the tearity to say. anything about him and now she wants us. to feel sorry for Joe Biden for running. again. We don't off. >> Wait, I want to show you one other. thing. >> Yeah, you go. >> Well, I was gonna say I'm glad that like. the Pods guys are saying what they're. saying now because it's just better for. all of us to be honest about this. But. at the same time, part of the reason. people are now willing to turn on Biden, including the media and the Bidens, is. because the Bidens are now have no hope. of getting back into any position of. power. The family is powerless. They.

can't pedal their influence because it. means nothing. And so the media has no. reason to be nice to them. has no reason. to be like going in with kid gloves. And. that's what what this all is about. >> I don't know what she thought was going. to happen. I I really don't. And she. didn't think it through. I mean, all. that education, become [laughter] an. actual doctor. She She didn't study what. she needed to learn. Um here's one more. So, there's the person who interviewed.

Jill Biden for CBS Sunday Mornings um is. named Rita Braver. And Rita Braver is. the one who was responsible for the the. original clip where she was like, "I. thought he was having a stroke.". >> That made the rounds last Friday and did. not ask any follow-ups. Like, how can. you say that? You You ran around shaming. people for criticizing him after the. debate. You tried to make him stay in. the race. He had to be forced out by.

George Clooney and the New York Times. and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. What. do you mean you thought he was having a. stroke? That's not how at all how you. behave. That not one followup by Rita. Braver in a massive journalistic fail. And yet another example of why CBS is. doing very poorly right now in the. ratings across the board. Well, we went. back and looked at the whole interview. because it didn't air until this Sunday. And I just want to give you a feel for. the very, very tough interview that Rita.

Braver gave Dr. Jill Biden. Look at. these questions. So, is it a big change? You know, you're in the White House and. you're living kind of a quiet life in. Delaware. Was there any foreign trip. that you just loved? You traveled the. country trying to make sure that people. got vaccinated, for example, right? You're a little bit tense when it comes. to his health, huh? When he was. considering not running, you said, "I. don't want you to have my opinion." Why.

did you say that? Did you ever think of. changing the title after the East Wing. was destroyed? Your family was all. around you in the White House, right? In. the book, you. don't mention President Trump's name. except for one time. I have to think. that was done on purpose. Tell us about. that. I mean, why was it hard to be. first lady? You went all out to get Vice. President Harris elected. When you think. about the country now,

>> um, >> what do you think of the direction this. country is going in? Now, >> she had to check her notes for that. That last one she had to check her her. notes for. When you think about the. country now, look down. What do you. think about the direction it's going in? Rita, it's time to hang it up. Sorry. Sorry, girl. It's time to hang it up. It's not an age thing. Uh Leslie Stala. is 86, I think. She's still crushing it. She's like doing fine. Um she can still. She's not my cup of tea. I'm just saying. like she's out there. She's doing. journalism and she's still doing big.

interviews. Rita, not it. It's time. Um. I don't know if you Rita was ever good. I've got to be honest. And I've never. heard of Rita before. I'm not I'm not a. big Sunday mornings watcher, but that. was such a fail on every level. Can you. That's why she didn't ask any follow-up. questions because clearly there was a. deal to give her a softball massage. interview and she's so programmed to do. that that even when Jill Biden is making. massive news saying she thought Joe. Biden was having a stroke at the debate.

she's been telling us all he crushed. She couldn't follow up. She couldn't. deviate off of her list of softball. questions. What an embarrassment. I. mean, when Craig Melvin is doing better. journalistic interviews than somebody. who gets the first sitdown, it's a sad. statement. I don't know, Megan, I'm. watching this and I'm thinking, you may. know more about this than I do, but at. these big networks, women of a certain. age see themselves as because they're. all center-left feminists see themselves.

in solidarity with other women who have. like been through hardships who are also. from the center left. And so she may be. one of the few people in America that. has any real empathy remaining from for. Jill Biden. It may have been a deal with. the publisher. They want to keep getting. access to the publisher. I don't know. But to me, I read that as her genuinely. like feeling deep empathy and almost. like cistership with Jill Biden, which. is hilarious and pathetic. And it's why. these networks are dinosaurs because.

they still have some of these people in. top interviewing positions who suck. because they're so used to doing the. backpadding interviews that maybe flew. 30 years ago. But nobody institutional. trust is so low in the country right now. that nobody has any appetite for this. anymore. >> It's so crazy. And by the way, she would. have done Jill Biden a favor if she had. asked a couple of follow-ups to get her. to explain. Like, how can you say that. when you are on record as having. defended him after that debate? Like,

what? You're doing her a favor when. you're asking her the question that. everyone wants answered as opposed to. just, you know, being stuck in your kiss. ass questions because that's what you. agreed to be at CBS Sunday mornings. That's I'm so embarrassed for her. Leslie Stall is 84, not 86. But the. point stands. She's well into her 80s. and she's still asking tough questions. Unfortunately for the rest of us, they're all of Republicans. My point is. simply, she knows how to do a. challenging interview. Unlike Rita, Rita's sister, I'm sorry, but it it.

didn't work out. Um, speaking of CBS, there is breaking news about CBS right. now and it is from Dylan Buyers who. writes now for Puck News and he has just. gotten a scoop about the new executive. producer of of 60 Minutes who's a guy. named Nick Bilton who's done kind of. nothing, not kind of nothing in TV. I. don't think he's done anything in TV,

much like his boss Barry Weiss, who has. zero television experience. Zero, nothing when it comes to TV news. And. because they like Barry's stance on, I. guess, I don't know, Israel and woke. issues because the Ellison's align with. her on that. Um, they hired her and put. her in charge of CBS News. And. unfortunately, >> don't forget low taxes, Megan, >> as obviously Yeah. And low taxes, right? So obviously um what they're learning. the hard way is that when it comes to.

broadcast journalism, the broadcast. piece of it actually does mean something. and having some experience would be. highly relevant and helpful. Uh but. they're learning the hard way that. having zero experience, whether you are. uh the editor-inchief over there or the. new head of 60 Minutes, um does matter. It will set you up to fail. And if you. don't have it, guess what else? She. won't be respected by the rank and file. who actually do take pride in. understanding how to do not just.

journalism but broadcast journalism. which involves a lot of other elements. which they continue to get wrong under. this new leadership. So she brings in. somebody who's obviously some sort of a. friend this Nick Bilton and he just held. his first all hands meeting at 60. Minutes this morning and it did not go. well. Um, Scott Py, who's I guess the. chief anchor over there, told this Nick. Bilton that he has scant qualifications. for the job and pressed him to account. for all the firings we saw from 60.

Minutes last week of anyone who got. under Barry Weiss's skin. Nick suggested. the conversation would be better held in. private. Scott P countered that he would. prefer to have the conversation in front. of his 60 Minutes colleagues [laughter]. for whom he clearly believed he was. speaking to. Nick Builton told Scott, "They're my colleagues, too." To which. Scott P replied, again, this is Dylan. Buyers reporting. To which Scott P. replied, "That remains to be seen.".

>> Whoa. Um he says he'll have more. tonight. And then there was another. report from the Guardian moments ago. that said um hold on do I have it here? Yes. From the Guardians Jeremy Bar who. reports that Scott P then called out. Barry Weiss in the meeting saying and. this is in quotes she's murdering 60. Minutes. She does not love this place. She was brought in to kill it and is.

doing exactly that. Dope. Now, Emily, I. want to take you back to right after. Barry was given this job, and she and I. were friendly, and I said some nice. things about her because I cared about. Barry. And to be honest, I still care. about Barry. I I were She's been coming. for me over the Israel thing. Much like. Ben Shapiro, not the courtesy of a text, even though I texted her. Nope. I'm. otherized. I'm I guess I'm not on her. list of friends now. That's fine. Um, so.

I'm now just going to be really honest. about what's happening at her in 60. Minutes. It's her fault. What she's. doing at CBS, which is failing, is her. fault. And even when Barry and I were. friendly and she got this role, though I. wished her well and so on, I did say the. truth to my audience as I always do. And. this was my reaction when I heard she. got this job with zero broadcast news. experience. Why would you go into. mainstream media right now? Like, it's.

dead. It's dying. It absolutely is on. track for the iceberg. I just don't. understand the allure. And I really. don't understand the allure to go to a. television network, which is not Barry's. background at all. And it for me, and I. really love Barry and Nelly, too. I. worry they're going to eat her alive. because CBS is among the worst when it. comes to being insular. Like, you have.

to be raised at CBS to be respected by. the CBS people. It's happening. It's happening right. now. She's being eaten alive from. within. She will not succeed in this. position. It will not be held long term. And you can see it. they can fire Sharon. Alonsy or you this one or that one. The. entire organization is against her. She's got like three friends over there, most of whom are extremely pro-Israel. who will speak up for her on that front.

There's nothing wrong with being pro-. Israel, but I'm I'm telling you, they're. not inside CBS. And you've got to have. more to you than that. You have to have. something they respect. And pro tip to. the Ellison's, you also at CBS have to. have been raised in television. You have. to understand what's in the mind of a. television correspondent. What makes a. good television story? What works and. what doesn't in a 60 Minutes piece, which by the way, Mr. Ellison, is a. visual art. It's a visual presentation.

She has no background in this. They don't respect her and they never. will. So, she will be eaten alive. It's. happening right now. It has absolutely. no hope of succeeding. And you know, I'm. not sorry to be right, but I was in what. I said. >> What your point about the culture at CBS. is such an important one that if you've. worked at these big networks before, you. know that it's exactly as you described. it with CBS in particular, there's this. like preciousness about the brand that. makes this kind of difficult because.

Barry has the worst critics in so many. cases. Like if it is there's good. gatekeeping and there's bad gatekeeping. and what Scott P is doing is honestly. bad gatekeeping. Like if her critics are. Scott P and Rita and the people who have. run CBS into the ground, although it's. now going further into the ground if. you're looking at ratings for evening. news and such, that is not helpful, right? Like I don't have a lot of. sympathy for Scott P who just doesn't. want any of this precious precious. product which the American people are. increasingly rejecting uh to have a.

little bit of fresh air. And this the. the builtin hire is very interesting. because my understanding is he comes. from New York Times documentaries. That. is kind of what the sweet spot for 60. minutes should be in that what you air. on broadcast should be able to double on. YouTube and be a really good ad. generator uh for people in or for these. networks. Now, they're always going to. have to cut overhead. You're never going. to be able to have Steven Colbear with. 200 staffers for a prime time like late. night I'm sorry late night comedy show. and that's going to apply across the.

board. Nor should Steven Coar. >> It's crazy. It's crazy. And you can't. support that. But you can probably be. profitable. like Fallon does pretty well. on socials that sort of there. You. should be working to find a new way to. use all pieces of the News Buffalo and. all the different platforms that people. are now on. So maybe it's an interesting. hire, but yes, like you you have to be. able to do both. And I understand why. people like Scott P feel like they can't. do both. I also feel like the. gatekeeping from Scott P and Alfonsi and.

Rita and Leslie Stall or whomever else. is mad about some of this stuff, it's. like you are the last people to have any. credibility about what should be. happening at this network. So, it's that. part of it is I mean Scott P is is a pri. and he's so annoying and he's so. elitist. However, it doesn't matter what. you and I think about Scott P and his. editorial judgment. What matters is. inside of CBS. And unless they are. prepared to get rid of everyone. >> except for those three or four people,

right, >> uh, who support Barry, everyone, and I. mean on air and off, you know, behind. the scenes, tech staff, producing staff, for sure, >> they're going to have to deal with this. problem, which is she's not respected. She's loathed. And it's not because of. any one thing. It's because she's not of. them. And she hasn't proven herself. She's not of television. She's been in. journalism for about two minutes and not. even in broadcast television. So, it's. just not going to work out. I'm sorry, but that's like I'm telling you, you.

cannot stay in a position in any. position. I mean, the only reason she's. like their like golden child, they've. decided she's something. That's why they. gave her $100 million for her. organization, which was worth onetenth. that, the free press. Um, but like like. literally it's just their affinity for. her as a person that's allowing her to. stay in this role because CBS News has. reached record low numbers in its. morning show and its evening show and. now we're going after 60 minutes which. is the only thing they have left. Okay, so she's not succeeding by any measure.

and on top of that she's loathed. She. does not have the support of the troops. internally. So good luck with that uh. Ellison crew. Okay. Um, in the time we. have left, I guess we have to talk about. James Talerico because he is now running. for Senate uh in the state of Texas and. he will take on Ken Paxton. And there is. a question. There are a lot of. questions, a lot of questions about. James Terico. Does he eat meat or. doesn't he? He's tweeted out the picture. of him eating like the a side of ribs,

but he already is on camera saying that. he's vegan and that his campaign is. vegan. And by the way, he was holding. him those ribs like trying to tear in. them like a real meater eater eater. eater and he was holding them with a. napkin. I like he had a little napkin. because he didn't want to get his girly. little fingers dirty with the sauce on. the barbecue. That is not how a real. Texas man does it. Okay, so there's. that. Now I think in an effort to like. show us that he really is a man because. there's there's a question. I mean let's. let's face it. we don't understand what we're dealing. with there. He's really focused on the.

six sexes and I one has to wonder. whether that that's because he's one of. the other four that we don't know about. >> Trump called him transgender over the. weekend. >> Yes. Yes. I'm just going to say the president he. he he's not always politically correct, but he does zero in on things we're all. kind of thinking. He [laughter] just. he's the only one who has the nerve to. say it. Um, so it turns out on Q, James. Tallerico reveals he has a girlfriend.

>> Okay. He has a girlfriend. Her name is. George Glass. No. Uh, her name is, uh, what's her name? Hold on. Where is she? >> She's pretty. >> Uh, she's pretty. Yes. Brianna Menard. And Brianna Menard has apparently she. met him in 2022. No. Mangabolt. Mang. Mangabat. Wait, no, no, no. M Man. Menard. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm confusing my two scandals here. So, they met in 2022 and she was working on. his campaign at the time, Emily. And.

then, I guess she left the campaign and. they made it official in 2023, allegedly. between them. And it was in 2023 that. she dropped. By the way, she's a committed vegan yoga. buff and cat mom who likes dancing the. night away at a local gay bar called. Cheer Up Charlie's in Austin. The plot. thickens. Okay. >> Cat friendly. A cat friendly gay bar. [laughter].

>> What's happening? So she in 2023. released. the following. Is it a poem? >> Oh no. Oh no. >> Oh yeah. Sorry. It was 2022. So is while. she's working for his campaign and maybe. the relationship had started. So it's. unclear whether it's directly about him. Let's just watch it together cuz we we. needed to see it to believe it. >> Let me kiss you endlessly like the. breeze dancing around us. In our.

timeless palace, our sanctuary. [laughter] of you and me. Tapping along. and I don't want to slow down. [music]. 1 2 1 2 3 4. Count me in because I. [music] can't stay away. I'm fighting. tears watching you put the sunset to. shame. I'm stoned on your smile. [music]. A butterfly lost in a galaxy of. freckles. Eternally lifted by your. chemicals. [music] Is this okay? The. wine tastes better on your lips. Hold my.

hand and tell me your secret. How do you. glow in the dark? Let's [music] go play. under the moon. She'll keep it to. herself while we come alive in her. light. It's as if I bottled you up and. drank you the way you warm me from the. [music] inside. [laughter]. >> I'm horrified. >> I don't like it. >> Oh my gosh. Emily, that's the. girlfriend. Um, I let me kiss you.

endlessly like the breeze dancing around. us in our timeless palace, [laughter]. tapping along. I don't want to slow. down. Count me in because I can't stay. away. I'm stoned on your smile. A. butterfly lost in a galaxy of freckles. Oh, [laughter]. I mean I would like nobody should be. writing that about Brad Pitt, let alone. James Tallerico. E,

>> it's disgusting. We need Joseph Massie. for this. But I will say, Megan, I do. after party listeners know I I. unfortunately have a a minor in creative. writing with a concentration in poetry. And I will tell you, as an 18-year-old, I had to sit through a whole lot of. classes where people brought poems like. this, but actually somehow better than. this, and had to read them aloud to the. class. And I could tell you that is like. a C in freshman poetry where I where I. come from. That that's not an A.

>> And she published that. She released it. >> A butterfly lost in a galaxy of. freckles. [laughter]. That's how we think of. >> externally lifted by your chemicals. What does that even mean? I don't even. understand what that is. >> Externally lifted by your chemicals. What? How do you glow in the dark? What. is she telling us about him? I'm really. curious. >> I've never seen him at night. >> So that's Does that convince you that. he's more of a manly man? [laughter]. >> I mean, come on. The best Paxton.

nickname for him so far. Paxton needs to. work on his delivery. But sixgender. Jimmy, that's pretty good cuz he's out. right now lying about when he said he. believes that there are more than At. least there are six genders at least. And now he's saying of course there are. only two. So uh we'll see what if he can. really convince the public that uh he's. not off on weirdo island. >> If these two wind up together, I'm. telling you right now, they're off on. the path toward marriage is hard. Being. newly [laughter] married is hard. Being. newly married while running for office.

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down um to the final hours. And a simple. Google search would have served Tommy. Styer very well because John Ham is no. one to be associated with your political. campaign. I remember seeing him once at. the Democratic National Convention. I. was there as a reporter and he was. there. He's obviously a diehard Democrat. and um. he is troubled, shall we say. Emily, I. I'm not going to lie. I loved Mad Men.

Um I've liked John Ham in a couple of. movies. I have to be honest, it's before. I knew what he had done when he was a. college fraternity brother. And it's. despicable and unforgettable. And I. learned it from our pal Moren Callahan. who when she launched the nerve opened. with this incredible takedown of John. Ham. And I was like, "Oh my god, is this. true?" I mean, for number for a number. of reasons. I wanted to make sure it was. true. And it is true as alleged by the.

man who says he was victimized by Ham. This is all from official um police. documents and other documents. I'll. actually give you the exact sourcing as. we come out of it. Um, but hold on a. second. It's Politact actually reported, "We identified Travis County records. relating to a civil lawsuit brought by. this man who says he was victimized by. John Ham. His name is Mark Allen Sanders. against the fraternity and several. members, including Ham." There is a.

transcript of a February 28, 1991. interview of Sanders by Stanley. Anderson, an investigator for Travis. County. And that's the source for all of. this information. Uh, and we'll tell you. what John Ham says about it as well. But. here's a summary by Moren on what John. Ham did at this fraternity where he was. a brother and Mark Allen Sanders was. pledging. And I mean, I pledged a. sorority. I was in Tridel when I was in.

college. And we had minor minor I I. don't even call it hazing, but you know, pledgelike behavior that we had to do. It was fun. was in good humor. We all. laughed. There was absolutely nothing. that came anywhere close to hurting us. And by that point on the campus of. Syracuse University, they had had a. couple of scandals involving a couple of. fraternity houses. So the the. fraternities as well were pretty clean. in the in the so-called hazing or the. you know initiation rituals. But. certainly we had moved beyond hurting.

people understanding that that that's. not brotherhood and it's not what a man. would do which is what these guys are at. the college level. Young men trying to. set the example in behavior uh for. others. So shame on you John Ham. Here's. Moren's recitation of some of the. basics. Because this kid Mark could not. come up with the proper nicknames. He. gets mad, meaning John Ham. He marches.

these two little pledges upstairs where. they meet two other frat boys who have a. paddle. They begin to beat Mark Sanders. and the victim describes John Ham. rearing back and he hits me right over. my right kidney. I mean square over it. Good solid hit and that stood me up. So. then John Ham and the group lead me. downstairs to the quote unquote pit and. Mark is ordered to get in the dirt and. begin forcibly doing push-ups. John Ham,

according to this transcript, and. another frat boy, quote, "They were. actually pushing my face to get in the. dirt." And John Ham pulls out a lighter. and I was wearing designer jeans and I. have this loop on the front and he took. the lighter and caught that on fire. I. tried to put out the fire immediately. John Ham knocked my hand away and I was. kind of panicking because I was wearing. a cotton t-shirt. He made me blow it out. with my mouth. John Ham takes that.

hammerclaw, hooks it under Mark Sanders. genitals, and drags him around the room. for about a solid minute. I mean, absolutely despicable behavior. She also got into this um that Mark. Allen Sanders told investigators when he. sat down with him weeks later that he. had been to the doctor. He had a broken. back. His spine was fractured. His.

doctor told him he may lose his right. kidney. He had extreme trauma. He said, quote, "My kidney spasms and it bruises. itself.". And uh the doctor told him it was from. being hit right over it. The kidney I. can remember feeling being hit hard. right over this his kidney. He was also. beaten with a broomstick right over my. rib cage. He said whenever I breathe my. lung actually can't go all the way. because it's pinned between my rib cage.

from I assume it was beaten down some. beaten into me. He had ligament damage, cartilage damage, artery, vein and nerve. damage. His rib cage was bruised. severely. Uh the other pledge who. survived that night said he was afraid. to return to Austin. This happened at. the University of Texas at Austin at the. Sigma New Fraternity House. Um and John. Ham when asked about this incident by. Esquire in 2018. said quote I wouldn't say that's that.

it's accurate. Everything about that is. sensationalized. I was accused of these. things. I don't it's so hard to get. into. I don't want to give it any more. breath. It was a bummer of a thing that. happened. I was essentially acquitted. I. wasn't convicted of anything. I was. caught up in a big situation. A stupid. kid in a stupid situation. A. bummer. I moved on from it. Okay. A.

bummer is not how you describe. breaking someone's back, fracturing. their spine, uh bruising their right. kidney to the point where they might. have lost it, hurting their lungs, their. ligaments, their veins, causing nerve. damage as you did all the things Moren. said allegedly. And on top of that, one. we didn't include in the clip was uh. they allegedly pulled his underwear up.

from inside of Mark's pants. Uh the more. they pulled, the more it would like they. just kept pulling on both sides. They. were pulling and then they sawed the. underwear like back and forth between. his legs trying to hurt him. And it did. hurt like over and over. So they hurt. his genitals. John Ham tried to light. him on fire. John Ham beat him in the. kidney with a paddle and allegedly broke. his back. And somehow this man has.

become a Hollywood darling to the point. where Tommy Styer, now number two in the. race for California governor, thought he. would be a great choice to voice over. his final ad. It's despicable and says a. lot about Tommy Styer, not to mention. John Ham. Your thoughts? I mean, it says. a lot about Hollywood actually because. these are really, really serious. allegations and to get a question about. it in Esquire and then be able to coast. I mean, Ham's not just out there like a.

Wen Phoenix type guy just trying to be. an actor, you know, he's just in it for. the art. Like, he's a he's a big brand. He has a lot of uh like business deals. that come along with John Ham, Inc. And. so, for that to never have affected his. career, I mean, there's a there are a. lot of crazy fraternity hazing stories. There's a small minority of stories. I. mean, people have died in these awful. rituals, but there are small small. minority of stories. It sounds like this. story falls into that small small. minority of stories where you have.

fraternity brothers who are so drunk. they're big football players uh and they. become sadistic. And to drag someone. around with a hammerclaw by their. testicles is just it's not normal. behavior. It's not even like I got. caught up in the moment during frat. hazing and was so drunk I was blacked. out type of behavior. It doesn't even. fall into that category. So the fact. that he's kind of gotten away with. >> somebody on fire. >> Yeah. Right. Right. And the fact that. he's kind of gotten away with uh just. giving bummer answers to these. questions. I actually think that tells.

us something about especially by the way. as a kind of far like let's just say. Tommy Styer is going in the leftist. lane. Like he wants to be seen as a. leftist. And then for leftists who are. supposedly caring about women, vulnerable people and uh toxic. masculinity to just bring John Hammond. to the fold as a you know surrogate. without really ever grappling with that. seems a little interesting from my. perspective because that's a very I mean. that's not just like oh it was in my.

past I had one drunken crazy night. That's pretty serious stuff. >> That is deadly serious. Here's the ad. Sweet California. Built by the go-getters, the pioneers, the brave [music]. to make this big, beautiful, crazy place. we call home. A home that's become. unaffordable for the people who live. here and make a run. This [music]. election is about change versus more of. the same. If you want a governor who.

can't be bought, who can take on the. powerful interests crushing us, if. you're ready for change, Tommy Styer for. governor. >> Let's not forget, Emily, what he said to. AB Hernandez. It's the governor's job to. protect you against all of the malign. influences in this world. That I will be. your protection between the danger and. Californians. You you just had one voice your ad. What.

What are you Tell it to Mark, right? Tell it to this poor kid, Mark Allen. Sanders, now a grown man, who will never. get over the scars caused by an incident. like that. Absolutely never. as I mean. can you imagine this is so damaging and. just destructive to a young man's psyche. to have to go through that just to join. a fraternity and where and then he has. to watch as John Ham becomes a big star. a huge celebrity but at least he's. thinking they didn't know at least he's.

thinking okay all he's he's doing is. acting a role he's not actually John Ham. who's being celebrated until now where. Tom Styer has taken the actual John Ham. to be in essence a campaign spokesperson. because he's just fine. The big. protector of California is just fine. with having an abuser alleged voice over. his last campaign ad to leave that. lasting impression with Californians. about what a protector Tommy Styer is. going to be. >> Well, I'm contrasting this in my mind.

with Mark Wahlberg uh who a lot more. people are familiar with Mark Wahberg's. I mean these are people of similar. caliber celebrity. A lot more people are. familiar with Mark Wahlberg's past and. he's had to explain it. had to deal with. it. And I you rarely ever ever hear this. John Ham story. Like despite how serious. the allegations are, you rarely ever. ever hear about this. Like that's the. beauty of what Meen does. She tells. these stories because as a market people. know they're not getting what they want. to hear from Hollywood like industry. press. Uh but that's insane. I mean just. thinking about uh examples like Wahberg.

tends to be I think seen as somebody. who's a little more right. But if I. think if John Ham were somebody who was. coming out in support of uh Steve Hilton. or Spencer Pratt, he would be getting. destroyed over these allegations to be. honest. >> Yes, I totally agree with you. It's like. Matt Damon almost had his career. destroyed because he was accused was it. I forgive me I for I forget whether it. was Matt or Ben Affleck. One of them. like allegedly grabbed a woman's rear.

end during the Me Too era and it came. out and the other one like defended him, but he definitely almost got it was Ben. who did it. Okay. And Matt just made. comments about it like calm down. And. then Matt admitted that he had used the. term He had like discussed at. the table with his daughter how the term. that term didn't used to be, you know, verboden. and she couldn't believe that. he didn't know that like that that there. was a time when that term was used and. he almost got cancelled over saying that.

you know at one point that term wasn't. considered an athmaite like you you were. allowed to say it. So, like they're. ready to cancel Matt Damon over that. word and over defending like a bottom. tap, but John Ham can not only be a huge. star in all these series and movies and. actually do voiceovers for gubernatorial. campaigns after breaking a man's back. allegedly and allegedly trying to set.

him on fire. Again, he's sort of trying. to deny it. It's not the most convincing. denial to Esquire. That's just fine. Um, Hollywood doesn't have its values. intact, and neither do Democrats in. California if they don't start calling. Tommy Styer's office and asking him why. he chose this alleged abuser to be his. campaign voiceover man. That's the. lasting impression he wants Californians. to be left with. I think it's. disgusting, Emily. I'm sorry. I just. think of of all the people there's like.

I'm sure there's other rich California. actors who would have been willing to. voice a Tom Styer ad, you didn't have to. go to this guy. I wonder if the Styer. campaign even knows about this. Honestly, that's like is how little this. has been talked about. Even right now as. he's cutting this ad for Styer at the. last minute, uh this show is probably. one of the only places where this is. getting discussed. And again, if he were. coming out for Steve Hilton or Spencer. Pratt, we know that this story would be.

huge. It would be weaponized. And I. don't think all of our standards are. great. But all people are asking for is. for us to have the same standards. For. Hollywood, if they're going to lecture. us and send, you know, endorsements to. candidates, all we're asking is that. they hold themselves to the same. standards. If they're going to be so. sanctimonious about politics, if they. insist on doing that, then they should. hold themselves to their own standards. And that's obviously not happening here. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, like every Trump.

surrogate when he was running was. subjected to media scrutiny where we had. to go back through their scandals and. ask ourselves whether they really should. have been speaking at the Republican. National Committee Convention. And so. like they all got the the that. treatment. this. Let's I look forward to. watching the Hollywood Reporters write. up of it. The very judgmental Hollywood. Reporter, unless it's a star they want. access to, in which case it's Kid. Gloves. They will get the Rita treatment. of Jill Biden on CBS Sunday mornings. Uh.

so we'll see. We're we will certainly. call the Tommy Styer campaign as we have. been trying to get him to come on this. show to defend his stance on males. playing in female sports, but he's too. much of a you know what to come on here. and actually answer tough questions. He. is he's too scared to actually answer. And I would be respectful of Tom Styer. I would I wouldn't be an asked. I would. ask him tough questions and see if he. could defend them, but he is too afraid. to do it. Speaking of questions, off you. go to the races. Thank you for being.

here and thank you for doing three hours. today, Emily. You're very busy on the MK. uh channel over on SiriusXM and the MK. wrap-up show starts in just a moment. We. are back tomorrow with an amazing. Kelly's court. That case down in Texas. involving Carmelo Anthony, the young man. who is accused of stabbing Austin Metaf. in the heart is now underway. Starting. with jury selection, we will have a full. deep dive for you. And there is an. update on the horrific case out of.

London, too, with the young man who was. stabbed and told by the London police, "No, you haven't been." Um, wait until. you hear what the perpetrator's family. just [music] did. All that is in. tomorrow's Kelly Score. We will see you. then.