Meghan Markle's Fall, Amy Griffin's Reputation Rehab, and Selma Blair's Apology, w/ Maureen Callahan

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show and happy. Friday. There is so much going on in the. world of culture, including Oprah still. promoting Megan Markle's brand. You too. can get a $535. laundry basket. as we continue to learn more details. about the disgusting child sexual abuse. allegations against her father, Thomas. Markle, Senior. Plus, why is Dakota. Johnson being photographed by the.

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>> Oh, this yesterday was worse than today. Today's nothing compared to yesterday. >> Do you only come in the nor eers? Weren't you here during the last nor. easter? >> You know, I remember one of my early. when I first started coming to see you. in person to do this. One of the first. was um there was like a major blizzard. >> Yes. >> It was a major blizzard. Even Abby. didn't come that day. >> And Steve Crackour was on the phone with. me like, "Are you do you want to go in?". I was like, "The streets are clear. It's. fine by me. Whatever MK wants is fine by. me." And I remember it was kind of like. I think you and I were probably those. both type A students who were like, "Oh,

no. I'll go I'll go through the snow. I'll go I'll go to school. I'll go.". >> Well, I I don't know if I describe. myself as a type A student. However, I. never I never miss work for illness. unless I am like, you know, 50/50 on. whether I belong in the ER, you know. I. just I just don't work I don't miss work. because of illness. The only times I've. ever missed work because of illness is I. was throwing up like incap. But even. then, I did that presidential debate. while throwing up with Trump that that. famous one from. >> the bucket underh. >> But if you completely lose your voice.

and you went through this over the. summer, sometimes you don't have a. choice. But I'll I'll do the steroid. pack. I will do whatever with is within. my capacity to make myself function. >> I was afraid to take the steroid pack. I. didn't know till talking to you about it. on the other end that like it was okay. and probably really what you should do. cuz I've never had that before and it it. frightened me. You know, I wasn't now I. know. Now I Now I know. >> I love it. I love I don't love getting. sick, but I love that six day steroid. pack where you start big and then it.

weans you because you're so awake. You. never get anything more done in your. life than the week that you are on those. steroids. I mean, I've only had it like. three or four times and it's always been. always in my well well my roid rage and. my huge muscles may indicate otherwise, but I that's like the one good thing of. getting that illness is you're like I'm. going to be so productive. I'm going to. go from feeling terrible to feeling. great. I'm going to clean my garage. All. those boxes, all the old photographs, everything will be organized and I'll be.

able to speak again. Um, okay. There's a. lot to go over. We've got to, I think, kick it off with Megan Markle. She's devastated, Moren. Devastated by. what's happening with her father, but. not so devastated that she cannot appear. on the red carpet at the event in. Brussels. She can't speak. It's like the. line from um Diane Wuest in Bullets Over. Broadway. Don't speak. Don't Don't. speak. She can't speak. But she can make.

sure she's photographed just perfectly. with the hand at the jawline. This is so. natural. This is how you and I walk when. we go out. Look. Look at this. >> Especially photographed. >> Sure. That's Don't we all just casually. put our hand up at our jawline as the. photographers are going by? So, she's. not too devastated to be on the red. carpet doing these ridiculous poses and. clearly speaking to People magazine,

which always cites a source close to her. who we all know is Megan. This really. this like this. I feel like hopefully we are endstage. Megan Markle exposure. Like if this. doesn't ruin her, I don't know what. will. I cannot believe she had the gall. to show up at an event that was about. the the dangers posed to vulnerable. children. You couldn't make this up, right? Shakespeare couldn't craft this. kind of a thing. She shows up. Harry.

speaks. Harry has the gall to speak. about how he when he and his wife. decided to get involved with this in. 2020. So now he's providing us with a. timeline as she did. Oh, I knew in 2019. Maybe it was 2018 is 2019. Harry says. they decided to get involved in 2020. So. she knew a good one to two years sooner. that her father was probably. >> she was told a child sex molester. That's what she later revealed was in. the letter. >> Oh, that's what Okay. So that so so she.

doesn't again she is in a rarified. position of power. She can call up. anybody. She could have called the White. House. She could have called the. director of the FBI, the head of the DOJ. and said, "Listen, I have this. information. Can you quietly begin, you. know, to prevent other children from. coming to harm?" Then People magazine, which should be ashamed of itself, >> ashamed. They are despicable. >> She's devastated. She's devastated for. herself. Like make no mistake, that's.

the story within. She's devastated for. herself. >> Yes. >> What about the ch like not the children? No, she's incapable of it. I And then. when I saw the Oprah thing this morning. that Oprah has decided to Okay. >> The champion of all, you know, children. who are abused. Oh, but I'm going to. prop this one up. Who let them feed to. the wolves for the past eight years? >> Is Oprah not a self-professed survivor. of childhood sexual abuse or not? Mhm. >> is nothing sacred anymore. And like. this, I would think would be the one.

thing, the one thing that would be. sacred. The sexual abuse of children. >> They don't give a They don't care. They don't care. >> We've got to come come back to Oprah, too, because that's not one but two. people in her orbit who one failed to. protect child sexual abuse victims, Megan, for eight years, and one appears. to have made up her claims of having. been raped. both of whom Oprah runs. cover for, promotes, pushes on us. without acknowledging that one of them.

has a very high likelihood of being. utter And the other one is. making, >> you know, professions of being a child. protector, which are definitely. which we now know from her. herself, Meghan Markle, who ran and told. us all she's known since 18 or 19 that. her dad was this thing and she said. nothing. Clearly to protect her brand. So this is it's 100% Megan who. cooperates with people. They're the only. one who will just spew her nonsense now. un unvarnished. There is zero doubt in.

my mind that there's no friend. It's. her. >> And this so I I think I think it's. interesting because you get to read what. Megan Markle wants you to think. So. great. Okay. This is the closest we're. going to get to her giving an actual. interview. Um so People's headline is. she is devastated. She is leaning on her. family and focusing on protecting Archie. and Lily. A source close to Megan. She's. devastated. This is her dad, someone she. grew up trusting and was very close with. for many years. The allegations are.

devastating for her. There is a lot of. sadness. She's holding up. She has a lot. of friends and family to lean on. My. note, see my note. >> Three question marks. >> Who specifically like Harry? We all know she has no friends and no. family. So, I don't know what that's. about. And then they say, um, oh, they. they want us to know Doria, her her mom, is assisting authorities and identifying.

Thomas Markle in these photographs. And. that Megan is prepared to cooperate with. authorities. Why would they need her? They needed her eight years ago. Meen, >> they needed her eight years ago. They. still need to to talk to her. She is a. person. She's a she's a potential. witness to whatever was going on in that. house. Um, so she's devastated and she's. protecting Lily and Archie. She is not. racked with guilt. She is not asking. herself why she didn't come forward.

sooner. Um, she slung jam 4 hours after. her father was arrested. Like she could. not help herself. She had to get she had. to push out 4 hours after her father is. arrested for possessing child sexual. abuse material. I'm sure you read the. documents that I read. >> You know that image of him that's in. there? There's no question. Witness one. in the FBI affidavit is clearly Thomas. Markle Jr. Witness 2 is clearly Doria. The FBI wants to talk to Megan Markle, but she has told the FBI they have to.

fly to her. She will not come back to. the United States to speak to them. What. a humanitarian. Megan, >> she has a mansion in Monteito. Like, why? Why? How is it so hard? And by the. way, so she goes to this Brussels event. and says, um, I I was supposed to speak, but I can't. I I'm not strong enough. I'm not strong. She is strong enough to. make sure that her long black trench. coat got posted on her Find My for the. fashion accessories that she makes money. off of if you buy it. That went up. within hours of her appearance. It was.

$685. And she made sure that that got she's po. strong enough for that and for the. paparazzi photos but not not to speak. Moren. That's that would have been. reached too far. This is all. She would have loved to have spoke. spoken at that thing. She just knew that. it would look bad. She finally got a. clue what would look bad for her. Well, you know, I was talking to Rob Shooter. about this on the nerve at night and his. reporting is that the um organizers of. the event asked them not to come. >> that broke and the the the the deal they.

brokered because you can they will not. be stopped. No, not the the yearslong. sexual abuse of children allegedly. reportedly can stop these two. So, the. deal they brokered was Megan just won't. speak. >> Oh, that's amazing. >> I will speak. >> That makes so much more sense that she. didn't actually see Reason. She was. told, "Don't come at all." And the. compromised position was, "Please let us. come, but Harry will do the talk the. talking." But he is just as complicit as. she is. There's no way she knew and. didn't tell him. He has a lot to answer.

for, too. And and here in the People. magazine piece, she has planted. I. believe Megan was advised by a royal. protection officer not to speak publicly. about the allegations. According to a. source familiar with the situation, even. as she was assured, she says they were. being investigated. So there she goes. again. She was advised not to speak. publicly about the allegations and was. assured they were being investigated. H.

how does did she think this is going to. work on anyone other than the dumbest. consumer? And nobody thinks an. investigation of any kind takes eight. years to resolve. Either they. investigated and moved on or they. investigated and decided he was not. guilty, but there's no way they were. investigating for eight years, which she. would know. She's not a total idiot. She. went to Northwestern. She's got to have. at least two nickels to rub together in. between those years. So, this is more.

lies. Absolutely. I don't believe. anything that comes out of her mouth. Um, interestingly enough, the uh the Met. police cannot identify said officer. >> Yeah. Now, where'd he go? >> He's somewhere with Stean Graham, buried. in a fresh pile of dirt. Where's that. guy? >> Steven. >> Where is that guy? Um, secondly, when. has Megan Markle ever done what she is. told? >> Yeah, >> she wouldn't listen to the royal family. She wouldn't listen to the queen. She. has never done what she is told. She is.

a renegade, a champion for women and. children, right? Yet, she stood by and. allowed a man, we The implication is. this was a man, right? >> To silence her. What? >> Yeah. When children were being molested. Get out. >> It's not like the stakes were high or. anything like that. >> No, not at all. >> The only the only two she protected. lived in her Monteceto mansion. She did. not give a about the other children. in the Philippines, in Mexico, or right. back here in America. We don't know that. his nonsense started um stopped when he.

returned stateside. I mean, granted, he's missing a leg now, but he's been. living in America for the past year. So. like what did she do to protect anyone. other than Archie and Liet? >> That's the thing. She's done nothing. Now the question is what does she do. next? Because she is not capable of even. comporting herself with the dignity and. somnity that these charges deserve. Right? So. >> stay out of the public eye would be. number one.

>> Number one. Number two, don't hijack an. event for children who have suicided. over online bullying. allow the parents. of those children their moment. This. this circus is all anybody's talking. about. I don't understand why these. organizations, be they private or public. funded, just don't. tell them no. It's a no. It's a no. If. you show up, we will not let you in. There's there's absolutely no net plus. to having these two associated with.

anything, anyone, any organization. >> We'll mock you. will mock you if you. invite them to speak at your let's. protect children especially online event. these two in the wake of these. allegations we're going to mock you. which is what we did and I'm sure you. guys did because they this event is. about um online predators who will. engage in like um giving getting your. kid to send like a naked photo of. himself and then they get bullied to.

death or a chat GPT that can like you. know potentially bully your child into. devastating events. There have been. lawsuits against many of these companies. alleging that kind of thing. How How is. using the internet to buy and download. naked pictures of toddlers. like any better? It's not the exact cup. of tea, but it is the online. exploitation and abuse of children. So, it's basically the same thing, which is. one of the main things. That's the that. is the one charge that he's facing right.

now in Florida or in California. I can't. remember Florida. The charges are in. California. >> Um and yet the allegations seem to. include actual molestation of children. as well. It's the same thing is my. point. That's what they're having once. digital. >> Yes. Same thing. >> Yes. So like where is the sensitivity of. these event organizers? They ought to be. held to task. >> They really should. They I would be. furious if I was one of those parents. Be inflamed. Are you kidding me? This. stink of a circus is coming to town.

like the the memory of my child is now. completely erased by these two and their. need for, you know, there's this image. going around of of Megan this morning on. social media. She does this thing when. she spies a camera. She was standing in. between, first of all, she and Harry. walked in like the cowards they are on a. red carpet. A this is a red carpet event. for them. This is what this is. They. walked in surrounded on either side by a. handler so that they were insulated by. the media who were invited to cover.

this. >> There it is. Yes. >> So that so so don't don't dare ask them. a pertinent question such as what the. are you two doing here? Yeah. >> How dare you show your faces? And by the. way, she absolutely did not have to be. here in this photoshot or on camera with. Harry at all. She could have entered. through the side. She could have not. shown her face. She could have been. backstage. She didn't have to walk the. red carpet at all. You and I have both. been at many of these events. If you. don't want to walk the red carpet, you. don't have to. She wanted her photo op.

It's all It's all I'm ready for my. close-up, Mr. Deil. Now, children may. have been harmed in the making of this. motion picture. However, I am ready for. my close-up. Look at what she's wearing, right? This theatrical covered up, neck. down, all black. He's got his. Remembrance Day poppy on. She's. cosplaying as Catherine, Princess of. Wales over the weekend, who was dressed. the same way. The devastation on the. face. Look at the quiet devastation. >> Yep. And by the way, that's I the like.

what's on the cover of People magazine, which I guarantee you she worked with as. well. Look at this. I'm just going to. hit my angle just perfectly. And the. thing with the hand on the face is in a. few of these shots. There's like one of. her just looking straight on to C. She. always can find that lens. Moren, she. knows how to work those cameras. She's. like, "Let's let's make sure the. pictures are good." Okay, first and. foremost, the pictures must be good. It's just like the the the pander is a. bit much. And that Oh, yeah. To correct.

myself, the coat she wore was $695. Uh, so people can go and buy that if. they want. In fact, what's happening. online is people are commenting, "This. is horrific. How are you pimping your. $700 coat with the allegations around. your father that you knew about and were. complicit on keeping quiet of? Um, and. then uh there's this the Oprah. endorsement of her stupid. is it a they said they were calling it a. laundry basket, but online it's it's.

dubbed a small wicker basket. And for. the low low price of $535, look at this thing. You can get a card. set, a leather notebook, coasters, two candles, and a matchbox like. matches. Two candles, matches, coasters, a leather notebook, and a card set for. $535.

That's That's what Oprah is choosing to. push on us. By the way, you could also. get one of Megan's chocolate advent. calendars for $148. I can get a beautiful one of really good. chocolate at the CVS for like 25. You. can you can I I wonder what Megan's got. on Oprah. I really do. Why Why does. Oprah feel that this is something she. needs to endorse? I think Megan probably. did approach her about maybe doing.

another sitdown. >> Oh, this was the consolation prize. perhaps. >> And this I think was the consolation. prize. I can't reputationally do that. Megan, you really screwed the pooch last. time. >> You really me over on that last. time. I can't do it. Do you know. something maybe that I would rather not? >> I don't know. It makes no sense. Nobody. wants to sit down and talk with her. You. would think this would be the biggest. interview of the year because we know. what's coming next and I'm just going to. be sacrilegious and say it. She's going. to say she was a victim of abuse. None. of us are going to buy it. And even if.

she's convincing in some way, none of us. will feel sorry for her because she is. this despicable if she, a real victim, a. real victim would be so would have their. PTSD so stoked up by all of this. becoming public and be so panicked that. their own experience as a child was. going to be pushed out before they were. ready. That's what a real victim, I. think, would comport themselves as. they. wouldn't be like looking for the nearest. camera at that Brussels event. There's a. moment where nobody's talking to her.

Harry is talking to some functionary. there and she's looking around and she. just starts talking to herself to make. it look as though she's involved in a. conversation like she's out of her mind. She's not insane, but she's there. Oh, the my other theory about this whole. thing of like I am I am a purveyor of. and a taste maker. I curate. I am. classy. I'm You want to be like me, right? It's all projection. It's all. It's all major overcompensation. She. comes from this trashy, trashy, trashy.

family. Big time. >> It now makes sense to me why she sat. with Oprah and was slinging mud at the. royals who had done nothing but try to. welcome her. >> I think it was like massive projection. >> If you're going to find out about my. family sooner or later, you are. So, I'm. going to get ahead of this and look over. here. >> Yeah. They're the despicable ones. >> Exactly. Exactly. Well, um I I won't. repeat it because I can't remember. exactly what he's been saying, but Tom. Bower, who's a great royal biographer. and literally wrote the book on her, has. revealed a lot about her mother, Doria.

None of which is flattering. None of. which. Um and like some really shocking. allegations and um so that's the mother. And then obviously the mother wouldn't. be this perfect picture of mental health. and like you know, goodness in the way. that Megan would have her portrayed and. have been married to that man for 10. years. I'm sorry, but like people. attract for a reason. I'm not saying. like every woman who's married to a bad. man is also bad, but 10 years is a long. time. And Doria had her own long list of. problems, which is why Megan's also.

trying to make sure in this People. magazine article, I believe it's Megan. Oh, Doria's cooperating. She's. cooperating. Okay. So, what are the odds. that the first wife, Rosyn Loveless, >> knew, but Doria had no idea? She didn't. know at all. Like I want more questions. asked of her. What what did she know and. when did she know it? And was Megan. really informed about all this by the. Loveless letter or by her own mom at. some point? >> Um because I just find it very tough to.

believe you could be married to a child. molester for 10 years alleged. He denies. it. Or a child porn connoisseur and not. have any inkling. And this stuff was. clearly important to him. Moren, if. there's anything true about these. allegations because he had like a. warehouse of it in the Philippines, in. Rosarto, Mexico, and in LA, where. according to the son in LA, he wouldn't. let anybody get into those storage.

facilities, but he held on to them and. he kept paying the bill. Right. >> He that stuff was important to him. He. knew he was going to go back to it at. some point. >> Agreed. Now, is it possible that he was. smart enough to keep all of that. material off site out of the house? >> Yes, >> that's very possible, right? >> Um, you know, there are often there are. there are women who, you know, we saw. this most recently with the Gilgo Beach. serial killer. They have no idea. They. re they really don't. >> Um, but I just think that's a different. thing. Like I I actually think I I I.

have an easier time believing you could. be married to a serial killer and not. know than married to a child sexual. predator and not know because this guy. he seems like he was downloading hordes. of pictures of prepubescent children. And. how could you live with such a person. for 10 years and not know you share the. same computers? Every wife looks at her. husband's phone. I mean, we all look at. each other's timeline of when they.

divorced. I'm not clear on where. technology was when they divorced, >> you know. Is it crudder then? Right? Like when we all had flip phones and. nobody was texting. >> That could be. >> the other thing that um if now looking. at things through the lens of what we do. know, I recently saw I think it was on. the Daily Mail the wedding photo of. Thomas and Doria. And Doria looks like. she's like 12 years old. Oh, >> she's like 23, but she presents like a. child in much the same way Thomas Markle.

Jr.'s girlfriend in the Philippines. >> presents like a child, even though she's. of age. >> Yeah, but she does. I thought she was a. child when I first saw the pictures. I. mean, I to this moment I I don't know. whether she's. >> like a short adult or a tall. It's but it's it's that it's that. loophole that sexual predators can use. where if they're really attracted to to. prepubescence. if if they find one that that presents. like a child but is of age,

>> you know, >> that's a jackpot because they're legal, >> but they remind you of the illicit. >> Yeah. >> thing that you actually want. It's just. so sick. And it really is amazing if you. think about, you know, there here's the. picture. Look at that. I'm It's just. very strange. Very strange. >> Um though the Philippine police who had. originally, well, not originally, but. like midway through this controversy. said, "We also suspect Thomas Markle Jr. came out and said, "We apologize to him. We're wrong about that." That he and I. think this girlfriend or certainly his.

girlfriend have been hosting a bunch of. children at their house and flashes have. been going off and so on. But the. Philippine police say that they spoke. with the girlfriend and those were her. younger siblings, I think they said, and. she was doing like Facebook, social. media. I don't know, Moren. The whole. thing, the whole family seems extremely. sketchy. >> What grown adults are hosting children, girls, minor girls who they are not. related to into their home? >> Well, it might be her relatives. I don't.

I can't remember what they said in the. clarification. I did read it the other. day, but I think it might might be her. siblings. My team is going to look it. up. But still, the whole like they all. seem sketchy. I mean, and I have a hard. time believing that the son knew nothing. about this. And only when he had the. falling out with the with senior. >> did he suddenly stumble upon the cache. of of photos to reveal it all. Like I. don't know what's And the the daughter. Samantha who's like standing by him, that's sketchy as hell, too. Like what. does she know? There's.

>> Well, he also cut his ankle monitor off. I. >> He cut it off at like 1:45 a.m. >> after like getting the gift of getting. Ro on this charge. >> which was totally compassionate, right? Because you're the worst of the your. society's worst unless you're a family. annihilator. Yes. And they let him go. home. >> Yes. And they they learned the hard way. not to do that. Rose told cops her. younger siblings, aged 11, 14, 16, and. 17 are regular visitors to her, visitors. to her and Markle Jr. at the property,

as well as a young three-year-old niece. Rose also told officers she often uses a. ring light inside the house to film her. own social media content and handed them. at least 10 videos of her siblings. dancing at the house. It's a little. weird. It It's just It is a little. weird. I don't I don't know. It's. Yeah. If you discover that your American. boyfriend's father, who is the father of. one of the most famous women in the.

world, has been arrested for possession. of child sexual abuse material. uh on two continents in three countries. Maybe I would not have my young female. relatives coming over anymore. Maybe I. would be moving out. Yeah, >> I understand it's rough in the. Philippines. I do. But. it's so the whole thing is so creepy and. it's can you imagine like can I just say. where was the vetting by the royal. family. you know like didn't anybody take a.

little bit of a deep dive because I. would I would think you know like I know. some blueb blood families in. Philadelphia that would investigate a. potential bride more than the royal. family seems to have done of Meghan. Markle and these I mean the whole family. is you know that they're definitely not. exactly royal. Let's say that. And on. top of that, this scandal was known by. the first wife. Like if you were really.

going to vet. >> your, you know, son's future wife. >> So true. >> That would be the perfect person to go. You the first thing you do is start. talking to people's exes. This is. another reason why I want to know what. Dorian knew. How did the first wife know. everything, but the second wife didn't. know anything and they were married for. 10 years? Yeah, >> I'm not trying to accuse Dory of being. complicit, but I do have serious. questions for her. I really do. I know. like the headline thanks to Megan is. she's a cooperating. She's cooperating. Okay, you know who really cooperated? Roslin Loveless, who actually wrote a.

letter to you and to the police and. said, "Hey, everybody should know this. guy is this thing 10 years ago almost.". And your mom, Megan, and you seem to. have kept your mouths shut to protect. your brand. You didn't want anything. up the wedding. >> That's exactly right. Megan had to get. over that finish line. It was like a. race against time. She had to lock that. down. >> and get a kid. Pop out a kid or at least.

>> allegedly reportedly. >> get a kid. And then, you know, then then uh with. the passage of time and you know, we're. in the firmament now and you know, it's. harder to get rid of her than to keep. her and all of that. You know, you break. a few eggs, Megan. I guess. >> Wow. >> Break a few eggs. >> Good luck with that, Harry. >> Mhm. >> I mean, there I don't know who's more. mentally unwell. But I will say some of. this does explain how diabolical she is. You know, she she has a very troubled.

background, far more troubled than we. knew. And to to suggest that didn't rub. off on her, I I don't you never hear the. story about the child molester who was. really all totally together and like a a. really great person with no dysfunction. Um so that's what she grew up with. I. mean even in the People magazine article. there the friend the source close to her. is saying this is her dad someone she. grew up trusting and was very close to. for many years. She described herself as. a daddy's girl. I mean, the number of. hours that she spent with this very.

deranged person, if one word of these. allegations are true, um, it just. explains a lot about how she got to be. this very disturbed woman who people. like you and like me, Dan Wooden, many. others, peers have been for like years. now saying there's something seriously. wrong with this person. I trusts us. Like this behavior is nefarious. She. looks very pretty and pulled together,

but it is masking something very dark. And I just feel like now we're starting. to get the explanation. She grew up. around utter darkness. Those were her. influences. They caused something inside. of her that is manifesting in her. behavior daily. I do think she's a psychopath. I do. I. don't think she really cares about those. other children. Hey, she got she she. commissioned a People magazine cover. some substance, right? If you want to. really um get the public on your side,

now is the time to throw yourself on on. the mercy of the crowd and say, "This is. on me.". >> Yes, >> this is on me. Why didn't I do something. I I will never forgive myself? Is there. an iota of that sentiment anywhere? No. >> No. It's all about Megan and how this. affects Megan, but also by her hamper. and her morning coat. Yes, that's exactly right. That's why. it's like if you pay any attention to. this person like we do, you're you're.

like, >> "What's happening? Why is am am I the. crazy one?" Because everything she does. is so patently self-serving and. dishonest. >> and self arandizing and inappropriate. like the Yuvaldi photo op. another. situation where she didn't seem to give. a about the pain of the children. and those mourning the deceased. children. She just wanted to make sure. her face was in the papers and she's.

having that same moment over and over. Moren, so the Yaldi thing is just I. thought she would never be able to come. back from that. The slaughter of small. school children in a mass school. shooting. So this is this is very. interesting because she flies herself to. you all day unbidden unasked for. Nobody. was asking for her. She was in the. middle of shooting her with love Megan. series for Netflix. So she took a bunch. of those cameras and that crew and flew. herself down there and got herself.

photographed laying flowers and then she. went to go give out sandwiches or. whatever. And people were like why is. she here? Like she had no connection to. Yuvalde, no connection to Texas. Nobody. wanted her there. Okay, so she can fly. herself over there with a Netflix camera. crew for the sake of small slaughtered. children, but she can't fly herself back. from the UK to the US to speak to the. FBI for children who have like. psychologically, sexually been. slaughtered. She can't do that. Yeah. Why? Yeah, but one doesn't track with. the other. A and she does have a home in.

the United States. She has a mansion in. Monteceto. She could go I'm sure her. garden needs tending. She could do two. birds. Um yeah, I don't know why uh. other than it's a power move and she. wanted here here she is at Yuvaldi. This. is so despicable. There is a reason she. is on camera seen putting flowers down. and that reason is she wanted you to see. it. That's the reason. Look at this. This is truly until this incident the. most despicable most despicable thing. she's done. Um this was an outrage.

Everyone saw right through it. She's so. stupid. She didn't think we were going. to be able to see through it. And that's. the same thing with the ridiculous. admission she made three weeks ago today. where she was so excited to say, "See, there's a reason I didn't see my dad for. all these years that she was too dumb to. anticipate the backlash to her admitting. she's known. Unlike the rest of us, she's known for eight years." I think. there was also something in her that was.

like she you know you know that you know. how they test kids to see which kids are. going to be really successful later in. life. It's that test. It's that like. short-term long-term gratification like. they'll put kids in a room and they'll. be like okay here's a piece of chocolate. and you can have it now if you want but. if you wait 10 minutes I'll give you. three. >> And the kids who can wait the 10 minutes. they. >> Yes. There was a part of Megan, I think, that was like, "Okay, I I have enough. bandwidth to play a little bit of a long. game, and this will come out someday. It. will, but that that's what I'm gonna say.

to the world. See, you were mean to me. You had no idea what I was carrying, lo. these many years." And instead, we're. like, "Why didn't you open your mouth?". >> Right? >> It was It was incredible. Here she is on. the cover of People with She's. Devastated. I mean, she completely. orchestrated this entire thing. and. People magazine. What a trashy rag that. is. I would believe what I read in Radar. Online before I believe what I read in. People magazine. They have surrendered.

to their worst. It's beyond tabloid. It's just stenographers for whatever. celebrity wants to give them any sort of. spin on his or her story. That's it. No. testing of it. No semblance of. journalistic integrity. It's really it's. it it is trash. It's trash. I mean, those are the two biggest celebrities. they've got aligned to, period. They're. on the cover every other week. You know, People magazine about a week or so ago. fired 195 staffers. >> Oh, I can see why. Yeah.

>> You know, and like this is why they're. circling the drain. This is exactly why. it's like 5 minutes away from being. produced by AI and Megan Mark. >> Yes, that's very true. Now, okay, I want. to keep going because there's more to. discuss today. Um, I want to get to Amy. Griffin in one second, but before we do, let's make a sojourn over to Dakota. Johnson. Okay, Dakota Johnson. So, I. didn't know anything about what is going. on in Dakota Johnson's life, nor do I. particularly care. Um, but I did see. these pictures of her online walking.

from the gym and the headline was like. caught caught on tape or you know. spotted leaving the gym after a workout. session in Los Angeles. Okay, there is. zero chance that Dakota Johnson did not. orchestrate this entire thing. Would you. look at what she's wearing, Morin? Okay, for the listening audience, it's. basically like a purple. purplish mauve bathing suit with.

matching sheer tights underneath it. I. mean, it's channeling my aerobics days. back in the 80s. I'm not going to lie. This is kind of what we would do. Um, and the little crop top and the hair. piled just perfectly on top of her head. as she's just and and the perfect. sunglasses. Merrily walking along. looking at her iPhone. Now, here is what. uh she told Hold on a second.

Okay, this is what she told Vogue. recently. I am obsessed with people not. knowing where I am or what I'm doing. I'm far too porous and sensitive and. present. I don't I can't deal. So Dakota. doesn't want anybody to know where she. is or what she's doing except if it's a. perfectly curated shot on her way home. from the gym. Obviously, this woman is. looking for a little attention. And I. have to say, unlike our dear friend JLo,

won't just own it. You know what I mean? Like, >> yeah, >> JLo's like, "Everyone should wait. I'm. coming out for my for my paparazzi shot. Clear the decks. Here I come. I will be. leading with my ass." This one wants us. to believe she she really just wants. privacy, Moren. She doesn't actually. want to be caught on camera. >> You know, it's so funny because she I. believe she has been leaking to the. Daily Mail all about the hot sex she's. having with Machine Gun Kelly. >> Yes. Because she broke up with Chris. Martin or he broke up with her.

>> Yes. And so now suddenly it's rebound. >> Yeah. And so um we're getting unwanted. details about that. again like this is. in lie of the career that I believe she. had set out with um intentions for. herself. I think she thought she was. going to be like her ex-boyfriend's. ex-wife Gwynneth Paltro. I think she. thought she was going to become a really. big star. Hasn't happened. Remember she. had to she took that role in Fifty. Shades of Gray because no other actress. in Hollywood would take it.

>> That's right. >> And Charlie Hunnam dropped out of it. He. it was like he was like I'm not I'm not. doing this. This is an SNM movie. That's. it. That's true. That's when Jamie. Dornan stepped in. >> But it was nice to be introduced to him. >> Oh, Jamie Dornan. He's great. >> Yes. I have to say I don't think anybody. was missing uh the other guy. Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I love Charlie Hunam, too. But. no, he was great. He's great in the. fall, too. Have you seen The Fall? >> No. >> Oh, you would like it? >> I was just telling me about this. >> Yeah. Serial. He plays a serial killer. and Julian Anderson is. >> Oh, no. I did see The Fall. I did see. The Fall. Yes, I did. What's that, Deb?

She's What? What's going on here? >> She's Where is this? Look at this. It's. all about her underwear. I Are we I. think we're doing red carpets wrong, Moren. I guess we we need to be showing. more snatch. That's That's never been my. goal, but maybe this is our new inspo. But listen to her. Okay, so she Hold on. a second. This is Saute. This is a Vogue. photographer in connection, I assume, with the same interview where she says. she really just doesn't want to be seen.

No, she doesn't want anybody to know. what she's doing. And um the Vogue. photographer asks her what she would be. if she were not an actress. Sat nine. >> Dakota, if you weren't an actor, what do. you think you'd be? >> Copier. Um just kidding. A therapist or a. florist? >> What's the hardest part of your job that. people don't know about? >> The internal torture.

the discipline that it takes, but I. don't I just don't feel like I can say. my I'm so lucky to have this job. The. hours suck. What What is going on there? If you were. not an actress, what would you be. happier? Oh, let me take out my little. violin for you. You have it so rough. The child of Don Johnson and Melanie. Griffin. Griffin or Griffith? Griffith. granddaughter of Tippy Hedrin, the the.

muse for uh Alfred Hitchcock. Oh, poor. girl. She's a movie star dating all. these other movie stars and singers. Not. for nothing, recently there have been. side by sides, befores and afters going. around of Dakota Johnson. She also had a. fair amount of plastic surgery to get. that face to be a movie star. So, this. is like my favorite thing when people. like work that hard to get into a. position that maybe their talents alone. would not have gotten them to.

>> and then they complain and they. and moan about it. Like she's talking. about it. I'm thinking about was the. famous Lawrence Olivier quote to like a. young actor coming up. It was like a. Dustin Hoffman or something who was like. so method and you know and and Lawrence. Olivier turned to him and said, "It's. called acting, dear boy. Just act. That's it." The stories about him are. legendary that like the he was not. afraid of cutting a. >> No, >> you know, male or female, like he would. put you in your place. He was Sir. Lawrence Olivia. Um, yes. Oh, I find.

this very disingenuous and I find the. following clip, which you're going to. enjoy. You in particular with your. fashion sense and your knowledge of. Vogue and all the players around it. Um, I think you'll react the way I did. Watch this. This is Dakota Johnson in. her October interview for Vogue where. she said she doesn't want attention to. Vogue in her spread for Vogue and listen. to what she had to say when being. interviewed by the person who took over. for Candace or for um Anna Winter.

Watch. >> Are you going to the Valentina show in. Paris? >> I'm not. I can't go cuz I'm hosting SNL. >> Oh my god. Right. Which is right around. your birthday. It is literally my. birthday. >> So, this will be your second time. hosting or third? >> Third. >> I'm on my way to the Fiveimer Club. >> I'm on my way. >> That's very exciting. >> Fingers crossed. >> My mother's like one of the only. five-timers who is always available and. so they're always bringing her in and. but they're very protective of those. jackets.

>> They cannot leave the studio. >> I know. It's really sad. >> Yeah. >> Wait, who is your mom? >> Candace Bergen. What the We've t. we talked about this because I have. spent a funeral with your mother. recently. >> Oh yeah. And you guys had like the best. time. >> Yeah, we had a really good time. together. She's wearing like great black. gloves and Yes. >> Wait, we did talk about this. >> Yeah. >> Okay, that all makes sense. But she is. the most.

>> she's also wearing um Dakota a tank top. so pointedly she can at some point put. her arms up so we can all see the tattoo. that she's got on her under bicep. >> just very casually stretching while. she's. >> Exactly. Hands on top of the head. >> and then like the fake NPR voice like. >> I I can't go to the Valentino show cuz. you know I'm hosting SNL. >> five. I'm I'm on my way. I'm on my way. >> Look at it. There. There it is with the. tat. >> Uhhuh. >> Exactly. Right. >> Just casually flashing it.

>> Oh, is there a camera on me? Oh, I. didn't know. Oh, are you the daughter of. Candace Bergen? Oh, who knew? I I don't. know anything about Anna Winter's. successor, Chloe Maul. >> No, I mean, when my office, my publicist. called me to book this appointment with. you, I didn't even know who you were, right? >> I didn't even know where I was going. >> I know. No, exactly. >> Am I a popular mechanics? Where am I? modern tire dealer. These people, you'd think she'd be a. better actor. Honestly, I would I would.

expected more given the given the. lineage. Now, my team told me that we. have to play this soundbite because. quote Moren loves it. I don't I haven't. seen it, but it's Dakota Johnson, your. favorite John Ham, >> and Kaye Spainy in an interview for Bad. Times at the L Royale from 2018. Let's. watch S 11. >> When did you realize, oh, this is. something special? And what are you. going to take with you from the. experience of working with each other? >> What do you think?

>> Um, I'm going to take her whole being. with me from this experience. I don't. see my life without Kayla. Oh my god. So, will you marry me? >> Wait. >> Oh my god. Guys, this is happening. >> Ew. What was that? Well, that that sock. goes on where Dakota then begins looping. her fingers. Kayle's wearing these. larger hoop earrings like your size and. she begins looping her fingers into the. earrings and like like noodling her with.

her fingers like her neck and kind of. like pulling her. It's all very sexual. and at that point John Ham does. intervene and he says stop it to Dakota. It's like stop. And because Kaye is. >> when you've gone too far. >> for John Ham who who set a fat pledge on. fire and visited put put him in the. hospital, almost killed him. Yeah. When. you've gone too far for John Ham, then. you're really up. >> Yeah. >> She's. she's I think she's a product of. Hollywood. I think clearly she was.

interfered with at some point. Just my. opinion. She thinks that that's she's. doing that on camera in a publicity. She's doing publicity for a shitty movie. nobody saw. Like how old was that girl. next to her. >> on theme? Adult presents as a child. >> Oh, yes. My team's saying she's 20, but. she looked 14. >> She looks 12 to 14. Yeah, >> that's a very weird. I mean, look, the. odds of turning out well with two. successful Hollywood actor parents are. slim. They're slim. And it doesn't seem.

like she's beaten them. >> No. And you know, Tippy Hendren, her. grandmother, she was tortured. psychologically by Alfred Hitchcock. You. know, when she did the birds, he he. really cuz she would not have an affair. with him. So he he tortured her with. live birds. >> Yes. That movie, we watched that within. the past two years as a family. Really? >> Yeah. Well, a couple of my kids are into. like Yardley doesn't like my boys like. certain horror movies, so we're like, let's watch that one. You know, I've. seen it when I was a kid. It is. disturbing. And she does look like she's.

getting genuinely attacked by the birds. when she goes into that um at the very. end she goes into that like attic. apartment or whatever it is. >> And it's it's pretty brutal. And they I. remember googling it and they did say. that she was actually attacked. >> Yeah. That was his revenge. Hitchcock. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. So I mean that and then and then. Hendren wound up becoming this this ins. I shouldn't say insane. And I think she. was well-meaning, but like this insane. animal conservationist to the point. where she would have like lions in her.

backyard. >> Oh wow. >> She lived with like wild animals. So. Melanie Griffith grew up thinking like, "Oh, I've got a I've got a lion in the. backyard and like wild predators in the. backyard." Another wild predator. Don. Johnson comes in. Melanie Griffith was. 15 and he was like 22 when they be Yeah. >> It's like an Elvis and Priscilla thing. >> Yeah. >> Oh, wow. I didn't realize that. Yeah. >> You know, it's like all these stories, the backstory, the family backstory. winds up explaining the thing that we.

that catches our attention. >> Yeah. >> To begin with, and then you dig just a. little and things start to become a. little bit more obvious. Excuse me. Um I I just feel like there's. there's going to be more about Dakota. Meer. I don't think it's going well. And. I don't think that Machine Gun Kelly is. the answer to Dakota, not Dakota Meyer. He's a Medal of Honor winner. Dakota Johnson. Sorry, Dakota. We love you. I think. Dakota Johnson was not set up for.

success. And there's a and there's a a. reason that she's dating like Machine. Gun Kelly coming off of the um. what you know, Megan Fox, right? >> Uh yeah. By the way, if she got married. to him, she'd be Megan Kelly, which is. interesting. But anyway, they broke up. >> That's right. >> They broke up. >> Megan Gun Kelly. >> I like that. Yeah, I was thinking about. that one for myself. >> Oh, yeah. >> Was it Didn't Machine Gun Kelly get the. entire torso tattooed in black ink?

>> Oh, yes. >> Every like stitch of skin on his entire. torso. Can you imagine the toxins that. are sinking into your system? >> No. >> From that? >> No. >> I like I don't even want to do one of. those. You ever have to have an MRI with. dye? >> I just had one the other day. >> Yeah. That that freaks me out. Like, oh. my god, how am I going to get the dye. out of me? Never mind if you got the. whole body inked in black ink all over. you. I don't know. Whatever. These. people, they're not living normal lives.

They're not. All right, >> there's much more to do. Moren and I. have to talk about the ladies on the Amy. Griffin update, which we will do. There's It's Melanie Griffith and Amy. Griffin. It's hard to keep up. >> And we're going to do that right after. this. Do not go away. Much more coming. to you. Hey, thanks for watching today's full. episode. If you're new here, throw us a. subscribe. See what you think. Stay in. touch. There's plenty more goodness. where this one came from. As always, we. really do value your feedback, so email.

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podcast platforms. She is killing it. Thanks to all of you. Um, okay. Amy. Griffin. No one cares about Amy Griffin, just to. start off with. Most people have no idea. who this woman is, and your life is. better for that. That's that's to your. benefit. Um, however, we we here at the. MK Media Podcast Network were the ones. who first broke this. Moren broke this. story, and now it's gone completely. viral. You were the first to report on. how this book she wrote, The Tell, she's.

married to a New York City billionaire. He's worth $6 billion. She's decided to. glom on calling herself a founder by. using her husband's money to invest in. businesses that have already succeeded. like Goop with Gwennneth and Happy. Sunshine with Reese and Spanx with Sarah. Blakeley. Uh Hello Sunshine, whatever it. is. But my point is simply, I said this. and I mean it. She she gives some Megan. Markle vibes. Found her. found her girl. boss. >> Yes, >> it's fine. She's well educated. She went.

to University of Virginia. She's. apparently a very accomplished. volleyball player, played sports there. >> Like, that's fine. Just own that. You. married a rich guy, which my information. is was her intent all along. Okay, you. nailed it. Just enjoy your life. That's. great. That's a great life. There's. actually nothing wrong with wanting to. marry somebody with money. Doesn't. necessarily produce happiness, but like. a lot of women have done that. >> Whatever. nobody was going to bother. you. She had she had to have more.

>> And in her case, it appears that more. meant getting attention for being a. victim or an alleged victim. So, she. wrote this book called The Tell in which. she claimed she had recovered memories. in air quotes from an MDMA experience. Just so happens that her husband is. investig investing in an MDMA company. and will make money off of its. promotion. But in any event, he doesn't. really need the money that she would get. him. So, put that to the side. And she. recovers the memory that for years when.

she was like 12 to 14 or so, she was. getting raped by her childhood teacher. who is pseudonized under the name Mr. Mason. But there is a real Mr. Mason who. lives in Amarillo to this day, which is. where she's from. She was not uh a poor. kid from the wrong side of the tracks in. a broken family. She was one of the. richest kids in town. Her dad owned a a. string of successful businesses. She. was, you know, I don't know if she was. actually prom queen, but she was the. equivalent of prom queen. Very popular,

intact family. This is not the profile. of the girl, the teacher, or the pervy. adult typically targets. They typically. target somebody who will not be believed. because the broken family, etc. She. writes this book claiming all of this. and. Moren smelled the rat did a report on it. saying I if you read the Amazon reviews. we we talked about it on this show. together then the New York Times drops. this huge piece on it saying they don't.

say it explicitly but they definitely. imply that they have found somebody to. whom all this happened in am from. Amarillo Texas and it's not Amy Griffin. it's this girl named Jolene and she. since moved to California, but she lived. in a foster care home. She was from a. broken family. She borrowed a dress from. Amy Griffin to go to uh the Satie. Hawkins dance. And at that date, at that. dance was raped by a teacher there, not. Mr. Mason, FYI, a gym teacher there. And.

um return and and came back to the dance. disheveled. She was the talk of the. dance. People knew something had. happened. and returned the dress soiled. to Amy the next day and then went to a. Sunday school uh meeting that Amy and. she attended together and told at least. large portions or some portions of the. story. So that is what the New York. Times lays out in a way that definitely. posits that Amy either intentionally or.

not stole Jolene's story, passed it off. as her own under her recovered memories. under drugs in her book. And instead of. saying, "Oh I can't. This was a. bad mistake. I genuinely thought it was. mine, but it was drugs, so maybe I got. confused. I've got to call this Jolene. and have a talk with her. I do remember. her from Sunday school." whatever in my. in my school. Instead of doing that, Amy. doubles and triples down. She threatens. the New York Times. She's angry.

And then Jolene finds out from the New. York Times what has happened and she. sued Amy Griffin. So this woman who still has nothing. She. is not a well-off person. She spent most. of her adult years helping. uh children who have been sexually. abused or now who are adults and have. the trauma from having been which tracks. with somebody who actually has been. abused. It's not how Amy's been living. her life. I can tell you. Um she is.

upset that this has happened. She sues. Amy. Amy decides she's going to unleash. her billionaire powers on Jolene. She. can hire the best defamation lawyers, the best investigators. She hired. private investigators when she was. writing her book. Jolene believes they. came to visit Jolene and extracted more. details of her story. Amy denies that. whoever visited Jolene, this no name, nobody knows person and said, "I'm a. Hollywood agent. I'd love to get your. story. Please give it to me." Amy denies.

that that was a private investigator she. sign she sent. But it's a little weird. that Jolene led led a private life for. 40 some years without anybody knocking. on her door until all this was underway. That'll be dis disputed and decided in. discovery. And now the latest on the. story is Amy crossclaimed against her. Amy filed her own independent separate. litigation for defamation against her. She's got a good lawyer who was on our. show last Friday who has been doing a.

good job of representing Jolene. Uh, but. now Amy Moren is in some kind of massive. spiral. Okay. in my opinion because. what we had was Billy Bush first. reporting that she confronted him at the. wedding of um. Jennifer Meyer, the daughter of Ron. Meyer who started CIA and. like.

had a meltdown uh that she approached. him, she tripped, she spilled her purse. out, she was shaking. You don't know me. She was saying he was like, "Not the. time or the place, Amy. Happy to talk to. you. We're at a beautiful wedding. Like, let's do this someplace else." And it. took her husband to get like her away. from Billy. And Billy actually said she. threatened him. So, that's one member of. the press who is direct to camera. recounting that he was threatened by Amy. Griffin. Here is that from Billy's.

podcast, um, Hot Mics. Watch. other well-carroborated allegations. Amy. tried to blackball another person's kid. from a nice all girls private school. Got that direct two sources. It. backfired. It got immediately back to me. And she. told people with whom she had lunch the. day before the wedding that she was. going to ruin me. Uh she said she was.

going to sue me into oblivion, bankrupt. me, and make me homeless. These are from. the people sitting at the table. Okay, it all got back. Instead of owning any. of this, she's trying to overpower. everyone with her money, and it turns. people off. so bankrupt him and make him homeless.

And also I can report uh that she. allegedly called him disgusting trash. And so that's a direct report that Billy. himself is saying happened to him by. her. And on top of that, you heard what. he said at the top, that she went after. a reporter for the New York Times's. child, the the woman who broke the story. about Jolene's existence. That woman has. a daughter who's 17 years old trying to.

get into colleges. She goes to school in. New York City. And we have confirmed. this reporting, which was broken by. Semaphore, owned by Ben Smith. And Ben. Smith worked at the Times for 10 years. He broke the story that Amy Griffin had. called at least, but it could be more, at least one university and had the. daughter black ballalled, attempted to. have have the New York Times's daughter. blackalled. We believe it was from the. University of Michigan. Um, but I I.

don't have that nailed down which. university, but John went to the. University of Michigan and she went to. UVA. And that's Semaphor's Ben Smith. reporting that. And we have confirmed. that as well. So is Billy Bush. So that. is at least two reporters who she's. threatened to ruin, to bankrupt, and in. the case of the New York Times reporter. to try to ruin the future of her minor. child. Moren, I don't know for sure what. happened between Amy and Jolene, though. I've certainly got my opinions, but this. is real. what she's doing to the.

reporters, which does not speak well for. her character or whether she's the truth. teller, because I don't think you'd be. behaving this way. If you knew you had. the facts and the law on your side, you'd be irritated by people saying. otherwise, but this is not how you'd. behave. And this woman with all the. gifts in the world, you know, beauty, a. great husband, children, the biggest. home in Manhattan, a private jet that is. like a 747, multiple homes around the.

world, best friends with Gwennneth and. Reese and all the is now in a downward. spiral that she doesn't seem to be able. to get out of because since we did that. piece on Friday, she's had, I believe, yet another attempted rehab piece placed. based on page six where Sarah Nathan. appears to have gone along with whatever. she wanted because this piece is. basically just a rehab of Amy and how.

now the story is. she didn't really remember at all from. the MDMA. She she did have memories that. she was sexually abused prior to that. because Joe one of Jolene's best facts. is that she's told people for years. She. has a sworn affidavit from a friend who. she was working with in 2016 in which. she heard Jolene tell a child sexual. abuse survivor her own story of sexual. abuse in Amarillo which tracks exactly. what would appear nine years later in.

the tell as Amy's story or 10 n Yeah. nine years later. Um, so that's very. much in Jolene's. corner that she was never on drugs. She. remembered it. She's been telling it her. whole life. Amy takes drugs, suddenly. remembers it. There's no childhood or. other witness who can come forward to. say Amy's ever told them about this. And. so now, in the wake of those facts, those dueling fact patterns, Amy is. switching to, "Oh, no. I I did know I. was sexually abused prior to the drugs.".

and she gives this interview talking. about how she's been hunted. It's it's. sourced to a a source close to Amy says. she's been hunted. Um the quote is uh. there's a difference between scrutiny. and a hunt. Scrutiny Amy welcomes. Sure. she does because the record holds up. What she has lived with since the summer. is a hunt. One source in the no told. Page Six this week. And then there's.

other BS about her trying to get a. settlement with Jolene to give Jolene an. offramp, but Jolene wouldn't do it. And. and then Sarah does report that she she. reached out to Zach Rosenblat, who. represents Jolene, and he said there was. there was not a single dollar offered. Instead, the attorneys demanded that. Jolene abandon her litigation and. threatened her if she refused. It was an. attempt to intimidate and bully. So, she's not Amy wouldn't admit anything. She just wanted Jolene to surrender. And. then she tried to spin this as like I. tried to give her an offramp, but I What.

do you make of all the developments in. this story since we last spoke? >> Well, it's fascinating uh because I also. noticed she was the subject of a New. York magazine cover story. >> Yeah. >> And she was on the cover and the. photographs were taken by New York. Magazine and she gave an interview to. New York Magazine. So, it was basically. a version of Megan Markle's commissioned. People magazine piece. >> 100%. And in this piece, the journalist was. very favorably disposed to the point of.

sycophancy. Like, we're not going to ask. >> questions that contradict your version. of events, which now because now Amy's. moving the goalposts, right? We spent. the better part of this is my story. This is my truth. How dare you? How dare. you? I survived the worst thing you. could survive as a child. Wait a second. Maybe I did misremember some may the New. York Mag piece is like maybe I somehow. conflated some of what happened to me. some of what happened to Jolene. Gosh. golly gee.

>> And maybe it happened to both of us. I. I've never tried to say it didn't happen. to Jolene. Hint hint. Don't say it. didn't happen to me Jolene. >> Right. So this is when when the nerve first did. our piece and I prefaced our piece. because I I was just coming at it as a. reader to whom none of this was tracking. and um one of the closest people to me. um survived sexual assault as a teenager. and a young woman um by two different.

perpetrators. And so I take it extremely. seriously. I didn't come at it in any. way as sort of just like a flip. Oh, let's let's look under the hood here. Like because. >> this sort of loops back to Megan Markle. and and why I think she'll never really. fully recover from this at all. >> The question that we put to Amy's people. before we published our piece on the. nerve was, I think, the most simple. elemental one. If Amy um knows, if there's a child.

sexual predator out there who visited. these horrors upon her and still lives. there and is known to everyone, uh you. know, isn't she concerned that he's been. harming other children? >> Wouldn't she with all of her money and. resources want to make sure that this. this person could never harm another. child? >> Crickets. Very good question. Very good. question. Billy believes there's a. possibility and I I can see it that Mr.

Mason has been paid off with an NDA. because he's not complaining. He's not. talking to anyone. He has been totally. tight-lipped and um no one can prove. that. This just pure speculation. Do not. know that Amy did this. But there's no. question somebody with those kinds of. resources and there there we believe. there are some who have been paid off. and and agreed to an NDA. Um so there's. a question about whether she's accused.

an innocent man. >> but bought his silence with an NDA. Again, don't can't prove that. Just a. question. I know you can't prove a. negative, but it would track I mean I. think everybody's been trying to find. Mr. Mason. You know, everybody knows who. he is. It also says to me that that guy. like knows he's innocent, you know, like. and that everybody in his world knows. he's innocent. He's not a child. molester. The other thing about the tell. which is very strange is that she's got. no real dates in there, no real ages at. which these things happen to her. She's.

getting like I'm I'm not trying to be. flipped, but I'm just saying this is the. way the book is written. She's getting. raped in every room in that school. during daylight hours, okay? classrooms, locker rooms, bathrooms, getting the. beat out of her. Then she goes back. to class and nobody sees a black eye or. a missing tooth. Are you kidding me? Are. you kidding? >> Mhm. It's shocking to me that somebody. with all the things she has is engaging. in the retaliation campaign. Like that.

is beyond to have threatened. Billy Bush. Like you're going to. bankrupt him. You're going to ruin his. family. He's disgusting trash. and. you're going to, you know, you're going. to take him down. And a 17-year-old. Morin, I've never seen it before. Like, and I've had a lot of people hate my. guts truly. And I've loathed the. behavior of many people. I I would in in. a million years, I would never hurt. somebody's kid. In fact, if Don Lemon. called me up tomorrow and said, "Will.

you help my kid?" I would say 100% I. will help your kid. >> Like, I don't care. Like, it's it's a. different thing when you're talking. about people's children. M you help you. don't you definitely don't hurt. That's. insane. And the whole crux of this case. is which one of these two women is a. psychotic liar? Because it has to be one. of them. The New York magazine attempt. to split the baby. Maybe they're both. telling the truth. Cannot be true. because one of them is lying about that. Palm Springs meeting.

>> Yeah. In 2019, Jolene alleges in her. lawsuit that in 2019, Amy called her out. of the blue, they hadn't spoken since. Amarillo and said, "I'd like to come see. you. I know you live in Palm Springs. Can I come see you?" And they did. They. met in a coffee shop. They chatted. They. didn't talk about sexual assault. Just. reminisced a bit. And that Amy then gave. her a postcard Amy had and said, "I'll. write my address on it. Please fill it. out and send it to me, and you do the. same for me." and that Jolene did sign. whatever some anodine message on this.

postcard and mailed it to Amy, but that. she never received the return one from. Amy. Interestingly, and. that according to Jolene is basically. the first time Amy made contact and she. was sniffing around Jolene. It was a. couple of years after, it's unclear, Jolene can't remember if it was 21 or 22. that suddenly these Hollywood. investigator or Hollywood producers came. to like find out more about her story. And it turned out they disappeared when.

Jolene was like, "Can I have a contract. to run by a lawyer?" She believes those. are Amy's investigators who are getting. more details for the tell and. potentially we're going to ask her to. give them the rights to her story for. money but flew the coupe before we got. there because she wanted she brought a. lawyer into the situation. Um. uh Amy denies all of that. Says neither. I nor any investigator. She admits. hiring PIs but she says none of them. ever contacted Jolene. So, I do believe. if if it turns out Jolene made up that.

that meeting in 2019, I will I will. disbelieve everything Jolene is saying. I really will. Like I will say Amy is. the truth teller because one of them is. a psychopath lying about the meeting. But I have to say if Jolene's lying. about that meeting, man, she really is a. psychopath. I mean, she's a she's. pathological because you don't have to. make up a meeting between you and Amy. Griffin in order to say that Amy stole. your story. You can just say it's my. story. We went to school together. I. told you in Sunday school, >> but isn't there a part in the tell where.

Amy references that postcard? >> Yes. >> Amy says, "Hey, this is this is the. inciting event, right?" Like, "I got a. postcard out of the blue from Jolene, >> from Claudia, >> from Claudia, who we all know is Jolene, which Amy denies." This this to me the. way Amy is comporting herself when you. think about the wealth she came from the. extreme wealth she married into the. circles in which she runs. Apparently. Roger Federer is a an annual summer. guest at their Hampton's estate.

>> Oh, she fancies herself like a tennis's. number one girl. >> Oh, is she? >> That's what she claims. >> Um, you would think her response would. be much more sophisticated to this. Instead, this looks like a panic. response. This is all ID. This is I'm. unleashing fury. If your book is. predicated on you being a child victim. and your response to a report in the New. York Times that is questioning your. story is to go after the child of one of. those reporters, how could I believe you. were victimized as a child? If you would. so if you would so callously,

heartlessly, viciously go after the. future dreams of a of a child who who. has nothing to do with this. She's a. bystander. She's collateral. >> Yeah. >> Who's And John Griffin? He has to know. he's married to like a real monster. He's got to. >> Well, what's amazing is it appears that. Amy went to this university, >> called in, you know, one of her major. contacts and said, "Don't let this girl. in or the equivalent thereof." And that. person was like, "Fuck off.". >> Good for them.

>> And told I mean, that's I believe how. Semaphore found out. But I mean, the. point is she trusted the wrong person to. be as nefarious as she is. If this story. is true, and our reporting confirms that. she did try to hurt the child of the New. York Times reporter. Here's what that. postcard note to Amy Griffin. supposedly. read. How it read according to the tell. The tell says Claudia sent her a. postcard. Claudia in the book is someone. she suspects another student of having. been molested by Mr. Mason. And she was.

originally the original thought for the. book was she was going to go to. Claudia's door and like knock on it and. and there was going to be this come to. Jesus talk. But it in any event the way. the book winds up spinning it is she. gets a postcard from Claudia that. supposedly reads I didn't have it in me. to tell you the truth. Like when you. whatever I didn't have it in me to tell. you the truth. That's not what Jolene. wrote. Jolene wrote some anodine. whatever. Jolene says I did tell you the. truth. I told you the truth back when we. were kids and then I told your.

investigators the truth when they. contacted me claiming to be Hollywood. agents years later. Something again Amy. denies. The story is so bizarre. It's. got to be a made for television movie. sometime soon. It's just got all the. elements and Amy needs to settle this. like yesterday before she loses what's. left of her reputation. You know what. you were saying at the beginning of this. conversation which is like Amy's got all. of these gifts, right? The one thing she doesn't have is. something that sets her apart and makes.

her feel special. She's married to a. billionaire who must be a genius. She's. busy collecting scalps with all of her. money. Celebrity scalps. Look, I'm. friends with Oprah. I'm friends with. Gwyneth. I'm friends with Reese. >> Savannah. >> Savannah. All of whom most of whom we've. heard have been backing away slowly. because this does not they it stinks to. high heaven. >> They're not even releasing the. paperback. That says everything. >> Yeah, >> that says everything. >> Penguin Random House has said they're.

not releasing it. >> You know what's interesting, too? This. is a little inside baseball of. publishing, but the editor of both the. tell and Belle Burden's Strangers. >> Oh, no. >> Same editor. >> No, >> same editor. Just as Belle Burden. Strangers, you know, the husband is. like, "This is a fairy tale. This is. Yes, I cheated. I could have left the. marriage better, but the rest of it. knowing try to bankrupt her." She had. complete transparency with the finances. >> and she came from a bunch of family. though. >> She came from money. The husband didn't. come from anything. The the same editor.

has Amy Griffin's The Tal. She's still. like very high up in the publishing. world, which is astonishing to me. >> If she would just switch over to. fiction, she'd be great. >> I know, right? >> Switch out of memoirs. >> It's like that thing, I guess, where. it's like um rich white women who have. us a a tale of wo, right? Like these. rich blonde like I think my theory holds. with Belle Burton. She wasn't special. She was born into all this money. She. runs with all these people who maybe. made their money through dent of their. own intellect or talent, whatever. She's.

not. So, she's got some something, right? We h So, Billy used this great. phrase on our show the other day. He. called it status through trauma. >> Yes. >> I love it. That's exactly right. That. seems to me, and I know you're saying it. very clear what Amy wanted. And she got. named to the Time 100, which was a joke. It was a joke. I know because I was. there and extra and Access Hollywood. were sticking mics in my face asking me. like what does it feel like to be here. again because I'd been there once before. and um I was like you know to be part of.

Time's most influential people in the. world and I said and this is you can. find this me I was like these aren't the. 100 most influential people in the world. this is a joke this is an ad opportunity. for most of these people who bought. their way onto the list I did not I. didn't care at all I didn't pay a dime I. was surprised they came back to me again. but I'm like this is And I said, "What's. what is Blake Lively doing here? All she. did was do a fake me too story about. Ryan Reynolds." I mean, yeah, Justin. Baldon. Anyway, Amy Griffin was there.

She was another one I was thinking of. And like I was so embarrassed. I had. secondhand embarrassment for her because. she took it really seriously and she she. did these glamour shots of herself like. looking out the window with the hair. pulled back. I'm like, you know, no one. takes this seriously, right? Like it's. come, please. But that's why she wrote. the book. >> Yeah. >> To like. >> just me, not John. This is not his. honor. I'm in the main role now. I'm. front and center. Not Reese, not.

Gwyneith. This is my thing. And I don't. like it's to me it's sad because I. actually know a lot of very rich women. on the upper east side of Manhattan. I. live there for 14 years and I went to. the New York City private schools. Not. me, but my kids. So, I met tons of these. women. And in my experience, they were. all super fabulous. And the ones who. actually married a rich guy are actually. thrilled with it and cool. Like they. don't rub in your face or anything, but. they don't have a chip on their shoulder. about it. They're just like fabulous and. living a great life. She Something's.

wrong with this one. Like she wasn't. able to just love all the gifts that God. had given her. >> She doesn't have that many gifts, though. That's the problem, Megan. She's. not really beautiful. She's not uh she's. tall and she's blonde and it's all over. the tell where it's like she's always. getting like almost to like the best. part of like being an athlete like. almost to the best part of being the. smartest one in school. Like she's. always like an also ran like it's it's a. through line through the book, right? So. she's got to be the best at something.

Now Megan Markle is going to take this. mantle any moment, but right now she's. number one in maybe having been abused. as a child. We don't know. Oh god, maybe. >> Oh, I mean, she's. This one seems to be number one in. harassing people with less power than. she has and using her husband's money. for ill. I mean, that's really like now. the rubber hits the road. Now Oprah, Gwennneth, Reese, Savannah, etc. all.

need to be asked, do you stand by this. woman? And in some of those cases, the. promotion Yes. of this woman's book. >> I mean, how about you, Oprah? You got. out there and pushed it harder than. anyone. Jenna Bush Hager, you too. >> What do you want to clarify to your. audience that now there have been. repeated reports that this memoir is. nothing of the kind? serious allegations. and legal disputes that alleging that.

she stole this story and multiple. reports now that she is threatening. reporters and the children of reporters. who shed light on the dispute. Do you. stand by? Are you going to update your. audiences? Where is the update? And and. now it's to the point where they're not. releasing the paperback. So, a statement. is in order. NBC, let's have one. You. know what else? If this book is proved. to be.

false, they have to pulp it. >> Yeah, that's right. >> They have to pulp it. It has to be. >> it it has to be as much as it can erased. from the cannon. Like it's it's a false. document. >> She's saying this is all true. This all. happened to me. And all of this stuff, by the way, like using her husband's. money to try to silence people or keep. kids out of like colleges or whatever. To me, that just feels like misplaced. rage. Like she's enra she's enraged by. something larger and much more.

amorphous, which is the bulk of us are. on to her. We know she's a fraud and. she's freaking out cuz in my opinion, she knows she's a fraud. She's been. caught. If this really happened to you. and people were doubting it, >> I know you you would be like, "Doubt me. all you want. It happened. I'm moving. on." Yes. >> You know, that's it. >> Honestly, I truly am like I don't It's I. tweeted it out not long ago. I saw it on. X and I loved it. Don't don't waste time. arguing with people who are determined. to misunderstand you. >> Love that.

>> So, it's like you you know, if you're. telling the truth, you don't you don't. have to run around trying to prove it. >> Exactly. >> Nor does a true like female executive. who actually built her own thing. You. can speak to this. Run around calling. herself a founder or a girl boss. >> Can you think of anything more cringe. inducing? >> No. >> I'm a founder. >> Founder. founder. >> All I can think about is the the AI. apron Jake made me for our with love. Megan. Remember he put that on one of. the promos? >> I forgot about that on my apron. My.

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Metallica with Jack Black at the Sphere. in Las Vegas. And we did get the video. and I have to say I don't understand. You're going to explain it to me, I. guess. Doesn't she have Oh, it's a saut. Okay, let's watch. >> Oh my god, it's.

clean. >> Oh, she's playing air guitar. Air. guitar. She's leaning backward. The. head's going. Yeah, she's feeling it. Doesn't she have something called stiff. person syndrome that like doesn't really. allow rocking out in this way? What's. going on with Selen Deion? So, this has. been one of our newest preoccupations. over at the nerve because she recently. also finished a multi-day residency in.

Paris performing live and um remember. she about around the pandemic uh came. forward in a People magazine cover story. uh NBC exclusive interview an Amazon. Prime documentary devoted to this very. major diagnosis catastrophic she had. been given of stiff person syndrome. which affects one literally one in one. to two million people. Wow. >> It's extremely rare and what it does is. it it it has one trajectory and it turns.

its sufferers into statues. >> So hence stiff person. There is no known. real intervention, no known cure. >> The documentary was harrowing to watch. Um, and now she's not only doing multi-date. back-to-back residences. And one of the. one of the triggers that for a flare if. you have this diagnosis is you're. supposed to avoid loud music. >> No. >> And flashing lights. >> What?

>> But she's on stage. >> She did a residency in Vegas. >> Oh, yeah. Flashing lights and loud. music. And um and then she finished by. exiting her hotel and there was like a. there was a bunch of um media and fans. outside like singing her name and so she. started literally like dancing in the. street and there was a parked car in. front of the the edifice and she's like. flinging herself on the car. She's. climbing on the car. It's like it's like. a jungle gym for her and it's like so we. asked well what happened.

>> you seem very stiff. >> It's a degenerative disease. It goes one. way. Like this is we're 5 years in. Like. have you had some. >> She should be less mobile today than she. was. >> She should be in a wheelchair. >> Oh, >> she should be in a wheelchair. >> We are not sure. Oh, this is her at her. concert series. Oh, yeah. I see. Well, I. see flashing lights right there. She's. rushing out on stage. She's coming down. >> Coming down a bunch of stairs. >> The fans are all lined. There she is. Okay. Oh, all right. Well, she's just swaying gently there.

Arms loft. We're in heavy beaded. costumes. >> So, you got questions about whether the. diagnosis is real. >> I'm a little um perplexed, I would say, for sure. Now, this So, this is my. thing. Okay. These celebrities, they. come forward. This is kind of a through. line. Amy Griffin to Seline, right? >> Disorder. What did Billy call it? Trauma. >> Status through trauma. >> Status through trauma. >> I I have a slightly different theory. about Seline, but they come forward and. they give us this um this trauma dump.

Hey, this thing is happening to me and. I'm gonna monetize it by the way. I'm. gonna get your sympathy and I'm gonna. make money off of it. And then um five. years go by and this happens and there's. zero explanation. So either Selene Dion. with her massive wealth has somehow. made herself. the the recipient of one of the most. breakthrough medical interventions that. we've seen in the past hundred years. Mhm. >> These are orphan diseases. There's like.

really no research and development into. them. They they strike very few people. or she was misdiagnosed. Come forward and say that. But you can't. do this and expect us to forget that you. said you have this syndrome that should. be debilitating. >> Yes. >> Oh my gosh, that's incred. Incredible. I. have noticed like a lot of videos Selene. Dion like out there dancing and so on. had a great time. >> And in the back of your head, you're. like, >> "Didn't she have that? Didn't she say.

she had something that makes you like. stiff and unable to move, >> but I appreciate the forensic. deconstruction of exactly how we got. from A to B." And hopefully, explanation. pending, Seline, seems like. not just your heart has gone on, but. your whole body very liberally for five. years. Okay, speaking of uh singers, huge divas, and I mean that in a. flattering way, um who don't seem all. that well or who seem to be suffering.

from some sort of syndrome. Mariah. Carey. >> So Mariah Carey um recently walked out. She's overseas. Where is she? I don't. remember what where she was for this. Um. okay. Well, in any event, why don't we. have it? Do we not get the video? We'll. get it and we'll drop it in. But Mariah. Carey walked out of her um hotel. And. Moren, she was like, she needed to hold. on to her handler in order to make it to. like five steps over to the cheering.

throngs who were there. Then she they. wanted autographs and she looked like. she was uncomfortable holding the pen. >> And all like the buzz under these videos. online is all about like what's wrong. with her? What's what's wrong? What's. wrong? Now, it could be like strained. her back, but she if you strained your. back, if it hurt your back in a. performance, I don't think you'd be. wearing the 5 inch high heels she was. wearing. Um, I'm not sure what was going. on there. But she also seems like she's.

having some troubles. And to me, she's. like another example of like there's a. level of fame and success that's. unhealthy. >> I agree. I agree. Seline had it. Mariah. had it. In Seline and Mariah's case, they have a commonality. Seline's is is is far uh more traumatic. and worse. You know, Seline was. discovered at the age of 12 by um a. record producer. I'm blanking on his. last name, right? He's very famous. Anyway, he was in his like mid-30s and.

married. >> Wait, uh an Renee. >> Angel. >> Yeah. >> And uh he basically took Selene out of. poverty. She was like one of 14 kids and. uh smash cut to their n she's 19 and. they're dating. >> He was 52 and she was 26 when they got. married. Wow. But he she was 12 when he. when she when he became her manager. >> Oh boy. That's sketchy. That's her. trauma. That I believe is her trauma. She she married her abuser. >> And didn't Mariah with Tommy Matah.

>> Tommy Matah took her at 19. She was this. girl from Long Island. It was she was. going to be famous. It was just who got. a hold of her first with that voice. >> Mhm. Yes. >> And he got a hold of her first and he. left his wife for her. She she again, she's a 19-year-old girl from He locks. her up in this mansion in upstate New. York or in Westchester and she could. never get out. >> Yes. >> And that was a real trauma like he was. he was he felt Tommy Matah kind of felt. like mafia adjacent, you know? And um.

her first solo album was was all about. like her freedom, you know, and um so I. think that's their like they famous way. too early discovered by these. fengali/abusers. never really developed emotionally. >> Possible. >> possible possible um but never really. had that you know you how valuable are. your 20s when you're like an independent. young woman figuring stuff out for. yourself? >> Yes. making mistakes, failing, picking.

yourself up, dusting yourself off, learning. If you're an introspective. person, it's a critical point in a young. woman's life. Critical. >> Figuring out what you want. >> Yes. >> What you want, not what other people. think you or you could do for them. >> Even my mom, who is very strong and a. great mother, you know, when I when I. graduated from Syracuse, she said, "The. financial umbilical cord is cut. You're. on your own. Love you. will be here for. emotional support, you know, on a case-. by case basis. Um, but you're on your.

own and I paid for my own law school and. if I had, you know, big falls. Moren, she was always my first phone call. She's still, God bless her, she's still. here. I just saw her last week. She's 85. now. And she still is a great source of. advice, but she definitely let me fall. many times. And then would give the. phone call I needed, like, you're okay. This is what you should do if if you. want my advice. If you don't, I'll just. be her as a shoulder to cry on. But even. my mom let me have my falls in my 20s. She didn't try to prop me up. She knew. letting me fall down in my face.

>> I mean, who am I kidding? 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. >> Yeah. No, it's resilience is everything. Resilience is everything. And I think. these. >> these such a such a. >> they're like birds in cages. these. women, these Selines and these Mariah. >> You look at Mariah, you can there's a. childlike. >> Yes. >> a effect to her. She never fully. >> That's so true. >> Yes. You can really see that actually in. in this video, too.

>> Here's a third different set of. circumstances, but I don't know if it's. so far a field from where we are. Alanis. Moriceet. has declared herself pansexual. Nobody knows what that means. >> Nobody believes it. I mean, I have no. idea. I was like, what? What is that? Like, you like to do it with a pan. >> So, pansexual, it's probably in urban. dictionary by now. Is like it seems it. seems an extraneous word in the lexicon, but apparently it means you're sexually. attracted to anyone. So, it could be.

somebody who identifies as trans or. someone who identifies as non-binary or. someone who identifies as gender queer. or whatever. I don't know. But. apparently, >> it's by on steroids. She's open to all. comers, whatever. But but I don't think. it's So, >> well done. Well done. But I don't think. it's true because she's historically. dated men. She's married to a man. She's. married to a man right now. >> It's like make me interesting. Make me. interesting. >> Yes. Here we go. Actually, we have a.

sound bite. Let's watch. >> I'm sorry for the men that hurt you, but. I'm not sorry for the songs that came. from it. >> That's kind. >> Those are pretty amazing. >> Did it make you want to be a lesbian at. any point? I'm pansexual. So, yeah. >> I get everything. >> I knew this would come. >> Wait, you're not really pansexual, are. you? >> I am. >> You're supposed to come into the. handsome podcast leading with I'm. pansexual. >> You know, I like to leave it for the. >> epilon, baby. Come on now. >> I like to confuse people on the way out.

>> If I may, this is so beneath her. Like, it really is beneath her. >> She's an incredible talent. Like there's. no disputing Alanis Morsette is just a. badass. >> That's, you know, she's a one-namer too, Alanis. True. >> Like you know exactly her talent. She. doesn't have anything to prove. Why is. she doing this? That's her with her. husband. And in the process, this is her. recently giving an interview to.

Entertainment Weekly. This is on camera. Drops in No. No. What's 22? Yes. Okay, here it is. Like I said, >> freaking anything really about who I. love. I've even had a guy ask me why I. didn't lead with my sexuality. Thank. you, Ben. >> Just so you can understand, she said, "I've even had a guy ask me why I didn't.

lead with my sexuality." Thank you, Ben. Affleck. Ben Affleck. Okay, we don't. know what context that was said in. I. don't like it's Hollywood. Are you so. shocked a man would say I'm sure it was. I'm just going to give him the benefit. of the doubt. You're sexy. You know, you. should lead with that. That's like. you're even sexier than you are. talented. My god. I don't know. Whatever. It's probably some buffoonish. attempt to compliment her. Probably. wasn't expecting her to use it against. him years later on a stage just. gratuitously ripping on him. It's.

unnecessary, right? It's like a moment. they'd start together. I don't like it. either. They had they had starred. together in Dogma. Um, so I don't know. what she's doing, but I I am genuinely. disappointed. Normally, I don't care. about these women, but like her I really. do think she's very talented and just a. damn badass. And I She's belittling. herself. I agree with you completely. These things feel like I'm going to I'm. I'm trying to get some clickbait, right? Like I'm gonna over here she's pansexual. on like Tignot's podcast with like this.

woman suffering from like a serotonin. lack of you know. >> is that a woman? I was I not sure. >> I think so. And then on stage oh Ben. Affleck said this to me and then she's. got a his face behind her on the. jumbotron like exploding which was I. think a scene from Dogma. I think the. context was they were shooting Dogma. together, so a feature film. And he says. to her, "Hey, like it's the early '9s. It's Miramax. It's like. >> this is, you know, the all the star. that's coming up. Hey, interesting. You.

don't lead with your sex. I'd love to. know the intonation, too." Right. Yeah, me too. You don't leave. You could do. it. You don't lead with your sexuality. Why is that? That's a, you know, we. don't know. But like, it's not a. punishable offense in the public square. No, >> that question. Sorry. It's not. >> No. Exactly. It would need to be a. greater sin. And who comes out and says, "I'm pansexual." when they've got not. only a husband at home, but three kids, uh, 15, 10, and seven. So, you really. want your sevenyear-old to know that you. like to do and not just their.

father? Like, what the fies? It's not. anymore. >> What is it now? >> I think it's um it's uh. >> gender binary uh transgender. It's. transgender. Okay. Okay. When you and I. were coming up, Yes, it was that. But. I'm teasing you. I'm teasing you. But I. I actually promised I wasn't gonna use. the term trans anymore. I was just gonna. use gender confused because I don't. believe you can trans yourself. There's. no such thing as trans. You can be. gender confused. And honestly, I have. empathy for you. I'm sorry that you're. going through that. I've had this in my.

own family and I know how difficult it. can be. My extended family. >> Um but I I'm not going to do the trans. lie anymore because it is just that. Okay. Let's stay on the on the do how. much time do I have, Steve? Okay. Let's see if we can get Jane. leaves in of Frasier. Jane leaves. Um, here's just a little look back on what. she's talking about. Uh, this is when. she her character allegedly gained a. bunch of weight on the series Frasier in. 2001 and they wrote it into the plot as.

Daphne was just getting fat. Sot 19. >> Is it my imagination or has she gained. weight since breakfast? >> Which seated? 8 N or 10? Look, darling, you're undone. >> I know. This dress used to fit. perfectly. Now I can't even get it. zipped halfway up. Those bloody cleaners. must have shrunk it. >> Let me give it a try. >> Oh my. >> Maybe if I put a jacket on. Will you.

come and help me pick one out? >> Sure. Sure. You know, you should switch. dry cleaners. That's the third dress. they've shrunk this. >> I haven't seen Daphne in a while. Is it. my imagination? >> No. Six squares a day. That's not like her. Maybe she's. depressed. That's when I eat. You said. anything to her? >> No. Timing is very delicate in something. like this, Roz. I thought I'd wait until. after she gets too big to catch me, but. before she needs the motorized scooter. >> You're going to eat your key? >> Are you kidding? This to be like pulling. the rip cord on my thighs. It's nothing. but cheese and butter and pastry.

>> I'm bacon. Are you sure you don't mind? >> Okay. I loved this show so much. I can't. think of a show that I've enjoyed more. than Frasier. The Niles Crane is one of. the funniest characters ever to Dane to. be on the small box. But now she's. speaking out. She's written a book. >> and she would like to apologize to. everyone for allowing this to happen.

because she feels that she was fat. shaming all fat people by letting them. write in her pregnancy. >> as somebody who is gaining weight. This. is ridiculous. Morin, >> I agree with you on Frasier. Great show. Like unparalleled. The writing was. incredible. Number two, it's it's all. it's everything we've been speaking. about. It's like she's she needs to sell. this book. It's not selling. So now. we've up the ante, right? Like I. committed a crime against the culture, committed a crime against feminism. You. have to take things in the time that. they were made. Yes, you do. And at the.

time that that was made, that was funny. And it was a way of writing an actress's. pregnancy into the plot without making. her pregnant in the show. >> Yes. And it's a way of keeping a. pregnant woman acting on cam without. jarring the audience into being like, why is she so big? Oh, she's pregnant. Oh, wait. Daphne can't be pregnant. There's more to discuss. We'll pick it. up there with Frraasier and then we will. move on to Selma Blair right after this. How often do you give out your personal.

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was sent to a quote fat camp to hide her. real life pregnancy uh during 2001's. season 8 has attracted widespread. criticism. Uh, taking advantage of. previous quips about Daph's weight, producers decided to incorporate Leaves'. pregnancy as excessive weight gain. brought on by the character's extreme. overeating with Leaves dawning a fat. suit to hide her bump. She left. She had. her baby, a daughter named Isabella. She. now apologizes for the storyline in her. memoir Daphne and Me, uh, and told The.

Independent that she was quote part of. the problem by agreeing to quote all. these fat jokes. quote, "I think having. a daughter, she was growing up at a time. where women were on the red carpet and. were told, you were too fat for that, or. she shouldn't be wearing that." Well, I. mean, that is every time. That is still. today as well. Um, it was just. unbelievable. It was like bullying, paid. bullies tearing you down. And I think as. women, we just suddenly went, "Wait a. minute, enough." Did we? I don't know. I.

still think we're still criticizing. women who are enormous on the red carpet. because it's just there are certain. standards of beauty that are universal. Um thinking that my daughter may have to. go through something like that where. she's torn apart for the way she looks. for her body. It hit me hard. Well, welcome to America and life. Uh I feel. like I became a little part of the. problem back then with all these fat. jokes. I was somehow too comfortable. sliding into that and it wasn't right. Again, she should have been grateful. that any Hollywood crew in 2001 was.

willing to put a pregnant woman on the. air all throughout her pregnancy. But. now, wait, listen to this. Speaking to. the Telegraph back in 2004, which was 12. months after the birth of her son, Finn, so she has at least two kids. Leaves, she had the the daughter in 2001, and. here's Finn in 2004, a boy. leaves ruled. out the possibility of having any more. children, citing the impact it had on. her physical appearance as a major. reason. >> Wo, "When you get pregnant, everything.

spreads," she said. "Your pelvis. separates. You get gaps between your. teeth. I went up a shoe size with each. of my kids. My feet just grew. But no. one tells you that, do they?" My hips. and teeth went back together again. Thank God. But look at this. She lifts a. booted foot in the air. It's not small, dainty, it ain't, says the writer. So, I. can't have any more children or I'll. never be able to buy another pair of. shoes again. But this is like what it. pick. Wow. That actually that really. that's dark, right? >> Because her kids I used to give my.

mother a lot of like she she loved to. say this to me every time it was around. my birthday, you know, like uh giving. birth to you was really difficult. You. know, it was 24 hours. 24 hours. you. know, I didn't know if I was going to do. it again after you. And I'm like, I'm. not to blame here. This is not what am I. supposed to do with this information? You know, that this was such a trauma. for you. But like that is like she's. saying she's saying my vanity is more. important than the number of children I.

might like to have. Like my teeth. separated. I've never heard of that. >> I've never heard that. I've had three. children. Nothing happened to the teeth. >> You know, your pelvis separate. Like I'm. not like my feet are too big. Like I. can't do that now. Like if I'm her kid, I'm like, "What? What?" You know, it's. the same thing with who was Lannis. Moriceet. Like her 15-year-old has to go. to school. >> and her seven-year-old. >> and and here that your mom, hey, your. mom came out as pansexual. I'm sure it's. great for them at school right now. Great. >> Right. Honestly, this is and this is.

like to me, this mirrors what Molly. Ringwald did when she came out and was. like, I I have nothing but disdain for. all the movies that I was in. Um, Pretty. and Pink and 16 Candles. Mhm. >> What was the name of that director? Mike. >> John Hughes. >> Oh, John Hughes. John Hughes. Yeah. Thank you. I was thinking Mike Nichols, but no, it was John Hughes. Um, >> he made her a a household name to this. day. People of a certain generation, everybody knows who Molly Ringwald was. And she's angry about the plot lines and.

like 16 candles. My god, it was like. 1986. Lighten up. No, no one with a. brain is looking back at that saying. tisk tisk. And no one needs you to. apologize. You don't hear Amelio Estz. doing that or all the other people from. Breakfast Club like just all all John. Hughes wants to hear from Molly Ringwald. is thank you. >> So she wrote that essay for the New. Yorker. I think she's fancies herself a. New York intellectual these days. Uh she. wrote it uh post George Floyd, you know,

it's very chic to be like everything's. racist, you know, and she was I think. speaking about that character. It was. problematic, but like in the 80s it was. not. Sorry. Today it is. Um the uh the. kid who was in the house for like two. for the weekend. The Asian kid. >> Long duck dong. >> Long duck dong. Right. Even now you're. laughing. Megan, >> it's funny. And I will continue to. laugh. >> It's funny. >> Sorry. I'm not sorry about the. either. >> The greatest tragedy of that movie is. that Michael Schaing, who played Jake,

>> he was so hot. >> Gave it all up and like went to live in. Pennsylvania and be a furniture maker, which tells you a lot about Hollywood. because that guy could have been a major. star. so incredibly good looking. >> We all wanted to sleep with Jake. Even. those of us who were virgins when we. watched the show, >> he w he was like he was presented as. like the perfect boyfriend. I mean, he. was that scene where he's waiting for. her in front of the car. >> Yes. >> I mean, yeah. >> With the music, >> just the right sound. Like, they picked. such great music for the 80s movies. In.

any event, shut up, Molly Ringwald. Like, no one wants to hear it. And shut. up, Jane Leaves. Like, stop. Don't ruin. Frasier for me because I got a real. problem with that. I loved that show. Um, so we were we were talking in the. break. It's a funny story about BB. Neworth. >> You were making the point about how. genius it was that they never showed. Maris Niles's wife. >> Ex-wife. Yeah. >> Yeah. Who they was wife and then became. >> Right. Right. And then wound up with. Daphne.

They just talked to her about her like. she had no pigment, you know, like she. was this vampirus type of character and. it was very funny. And then we got on to. BB Neworth who was Lilith Frraasier's. wife and the ex-wife and how talented. she really is in real life and I saw her. in Chicago and then I was telling you. that my friend John O'Hurly was in. Chicago and you said how to he's from. he's Mr. Peterman from uh Seinfeld. Elaine among many other things. And um. he and his wife Lisa have become dear. friends of ours over the years. And we.

Doug and I Doug and I tried to cook them. Thanksgiving dinner one year in an. episode that would genuinely scar all. four of us for the rest of our lives. >> I just want to say I see what you're. doing here. >> You brought Doug in very prominently. Doug. Doug and I. Okay. So, he has. slightly more cooking skills than I do, but only slightly more. >> I will say Doug, he always thinks I'm. saying this just to get him to do it, but Doug does have like the thing in the. kitchen where like you got to eyeball it.

to figure out what level of salt should. be in there or like like he actually. does have some innate talent. He only. has like three dishes he can cook, but. they're all very good and he does have. that talent. I don't I'm like recipe by. the book. If I do anything, doesn't. matter how many times I've made the. meal, I have to follow the recipe or. things go badly. So, like an like a. couple of idiots, we invited John and. Lisa O'Hurly over to our New York City. apartment to make not just any dinner, Thanksgiving dinner for them. We only.

had Yates at the time. We had he was our. first child. He was a baby. They only. had Will. um they they would continue. only having Will. But so we only had uh. two children and they were there. It was. a disaster of epic proportion. proportions. I started I've told the. story, but. the where I started going wrong was I. went to Whole Foods. I did the shopping. I bought five bags of groceries and I. left two at the Whole Foods. And I.

didn't realize it until. like Thanksgiving morning. I It was only. the day before that I had bought the. groceries, but I left them and Whole. Foods was closed. It was closed the day. that Thanksgiving. >> What were you missing? >> Like everything. All I had was the. turkey. >> Oh my god. >> And I did have the stuffing and that was. it. That's all. We didn't have gravy. We. didn't have mashed potatoes. We did not. have any greens, no no appetizers, nothing. Just the turkey and stuffing. So that Okay. I mean, those are the two.

most important things. But. okay, those were a challenge for a. non-chef. Anyway, the problem was you do. need gravy. Like, you got to have gravy. with turkey and stuffing. So, I'm like, Doug, we didn't want to tell them cuz. they were already taking a risk coming. over. Like, you got to get out to the um. Christis, which is like a you know, you. know what it is, but it's like the CVS. Like, you got to get to Christis and uh. they they have some groceries. And I'm. like, see if you can get some gravy. Christis was closed, so he had he wound.

up going to like the equivalent of CVS. Anyway, long story short, all he could. get was one packet of the gravy. flavoring. That's it. One little. >> powdered. >> Yes. Powder. One. That's all that was. left. I'm like, "Oh my god." So, you put. it in and it starts off promisingly. enough where you add the water and it's. like it fills up the big pot, you know? I'm like, "Oh, this we're going to be. fine." So, I start stirring it and it's. shrinking, moren. It's shrinking and.

it's getting smaller and smaller. I'm. like, "Well, I I don't need gravy." And. I'm stirring. I'm like, "Well, Lisa is. so skinny. She doesn't need gravy. She'll be fine without gravy." And like, "Well, Doug doesn't need gravy." It. wound up being literally like a teaspoon. full of gravy. Like, John, John, here's. your dollop of gravy. So then the bird. was in the oven and it we put it in one. of those big silver trays that's like. disposable, you know, and uh we didn't. have anything. We didn't have a proper.

tray, what have you. >> And smoke started billowing out of the. oven and we didn't understand it because. we were watching it very carefully. We. knew we were at risk of burning things. and it wasn't time to take it out. So we. run in there and um the smoke's. billowing. So, we open up the oven and. we pull out the tray and it's now. leaking. It's leaking all these juices. Something's happened and those juices. had caused a fire in the oven. Meanwhile, our two Shih Tzus, this is.

how long ago this was, are running. around the kitchen. Thank god they had a. bunch of fur because they probably would. have been burned. But the the drippings. are getting on them and now they are in. a non-stop lickfest of each other. They they taste like turkey. But now the the turkey is now a. Christmas vacation Clark Griswald level. dry. >> My god, >> it has no juices. And I only have one. thimble full of gravy. So that's not.

going to save me. And when this smoke started billowing. out of the kitchen and Doug and I had. already been in a panic and he had left. to go to the Christis and come back and. what you hear John O'Hurly yell from the. next room, I've got Jean Gor on speed. dial. That's a great guest. That's a great. guest. >> No. Would you believe? They are such. good friends. They ate it. >> They did. >> They're the dearest, nicest people. But.

they did not volunteer to come by the. next year. They said, "Why don't we go. out? Why don't we why don't we go to. Jeanjour?" And we have spent. Thanksgiving with them a couple of. times. Never again did we try to cook. >> So, uh, what do you do on your. Thanksgiving? Who takes care of the. food? >> We had our Thanksgiving. Um, last. weekend it was wonderful where my family. comes and we pretend it's Thanksgiving. we sort of do it before the actual. holiday where everyone can come and it's. just a lot easier on especially my. sister's kids who are young and making. their careers and like they they don't.

always get the day. Um. we Oh, of course we have a catered. Yeah. >> Oh, you have a cater. >> No, I would I mean I would never try to. cook for like a group of people. Thanksgiving dinner. Oh my god, it was. that I mean I'd be endangering them. Uh. so no, we do have a catered and that and. everything was delicious. It was very. juicy turkey. There was plenty of gravy. To this day, when I see the gravy, like. I appreciate it like nobody else on. earth. I'm like, you don't you don't. know what a difference this makes. Everyone here is taking it for granted. I just love the image of you like with.

the powdered gravy and the saucepan with. the W and like your vanishing prospects. for a good Thanksgiving dinner. It's. evaporating. It's evaporating. >> The only ones who won were the dogs. They were so happy. >> Dogs. Yeah, they're easy to make happy. Anyway, so happy Thanksgiving to all of. you. On the actual Thanksgiving day, we. will be going out to eat at this sweet. little restaurant that does its own. Thanksgiving dinner. So, we will enjoy. that, but I will not have to cook and I. will not have to clean up and I will be.

thrilled. And you're you're doing. something fun. You're. >> I'm going to Rhode Island. I'm going to. see family, friends, and I'm very, very. excited. Um I've they they got a new. home and um one of their children is one. of my goddaughters. I'm very excited. I. can't wait. Now, do you do you bring do. you you like make a meal or do you bring. something? >> No, no, no. I go to the farm stand uh. out on Long Island where I'm at, which. is like they do like you get like. they're brilliant. They're brilliant. They're so brilliant that like they have. been offered like like people who work.

at major publishing houses like we like. we'll give you a huge contract for a. cookbook. Like they could. >> be. >> whatever. And they're like, "No, this is. it. This is what we do. It's like. generations old family farm. You know. who they are. They know exactly who they. are and they're like salt of the earth. and their stuff is so. >> Dakota Johnson claims she is. >> Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. >> Genuinely don't want publicity. >> They genuinely don't want publicity. So. um. >> so what do you when when you go to the. Thanksgiving dinner? Can I just ask this. is like a thing.

>> What is the plate like? Is there. something you have to have and something. you chew? And also when it comes to the. desserts, what's your fave? I love um I. love the dark meat and I love a leg, >> which I I love a leg. I find it's juicy. A little bit of crispiness to it. >> I love a potato like the Irish person I. am. I love a potato. >> Um I love a nice martini with that meal. And um I like a I like a very wholesome. American dessert like like some apple.

crumble, apple pie, a little tiny scoop. of like cold vanilla ice cream. Like. that's that's like hits the spot. That's. it. >> It sounds delicious. >> What about you? >> I go my kids love dark meat. I like the. white meat breast. I mean, yeah. Vanillay, I guess, but that's what I go. for. I do put the gravy on it. I. >> used to eat the mashed potatoes all the. time. I don't I don't know. I kind of. limit the carbs a little and I prefer. the stuffing. So, if I'm going to do. one, >> I go for the stuffing even though the.

mashed potatoes are definitely healthier. for you. But I'm I think I'm try I have. childhood trauma over the mashed. potatoes because every year growing up. we would all go to my nana's we get our. mashed potatoes and you know you make. the little moat in the middle for the. gravy and my brother would always take. his fork and ruin everybody's moat so it. would come flowing out. So I don't do the mashed potatoes. anymore. I like a green bean. I I would. definitely put a green bean on there or. salad. And I do love cranberry sauce.

And I know people have strong feelings. on this. I love it all. I would take the. actual berries. That's what the caterer. made. Like the the kind that you spoon. on from like a bowl that's got like. actual cranberries in there. We always. growing up had the sliced, you know, you. from the can. Yeah. From the can. >> Same. >> Delicious. Okay. I've never been a. cranberry person. And every Thanksgiving. my mother, she would have she would have. the canned cranberry. It was like her. joy. >> I love that. >> And and she would, you know, and then.

put it out. It's like, "Okay, everybody, who wants the cranberry?" And everyone. was like, "We nobody wants cranberry.". >> You should add me. The the trick, I. think, with the cranberry is you got to. get a couple more things on the fork. You got to get a turkey with gravy, maybe a dollop of stuffing, and then you. added like a taste of the cranberry for. just like Thanksgiving goodness. My. mother treated it as like um a a like a. vegetable or something like it was a. whole serving of something else. But I'm. with you. I love a good stuffing. And so.

this is the Long Islander in me. This is. really the true Long Islander in me. I. love um. >> nothing more than stove top stuffing. >> I find it very satisfying on. Thanksgiving. I love um the kind of. brownies that are that come from a box. like Duncan Brown. And actually the so. the the friend I'm going to the family. friends I'm going to go see um. >> the wife said to me, uh so what do you. want for dessert? And I said, "What's. what's your favorite?" I said, "I really. love Duncan Hines in a, you know, brownies in a box." And she was like, "Um, yeah, I'm not doing that anymore.

I'm not doing boxed food anymore." She's. on a whole like nature kick. She's like, >> and I said, "What about Oh, you'll love. this. I did get me, by the way, your. recommendation of Katherine Heppern's. me." Oh, good. >> The book, right? I got it. >> And um but she went through this phase. where she she was in love with Katherine. Heppern's brownie recipe. >> Oh. Katherine Heppern had like this. famous brownie recipe and she I was. like, "Can you just make me Katherine. Heburn's brown?" No, they come from a. box. >> Oh, come on. >> I know. I'm get what I get. >> It's too much work. On the dessert.

front, I this year I went for pumpkin. pie and it it is delicious with like a. little whipped cream or a little vanilla. ice cream on the side of that. That. stuff I was like, it's so good. Um but. you said apple crumble. >> Yeah. >> I would take that over anything. >> Oh, so good. It's It's not in the It's. It's above apple pie. >> I think so, too. >> The apple crumble is particularly. delicious. Um, and yes, I do eat that on. Thanksgiving. I will say our neighbors, who I absolutely adore, we have the best.

neighbors. One year they brought over. the most delicious smelling peach. cobbler. >> as like a gift to us. It was the nicest. gift. He had made it with his own hands. and we knew that we could not keep this. in the kitchen because of. >> Strudwick. >> So, we moved it out to the bar area. which is outside of Strudwick's domain. Like he's he has to stay in the family. room, kitchen, mudroom area of the. house, and he is not allowed to roam.

And uh. we went to eat it later that evening or. the next day, I can't remember. But we. went to eat it. We did not see it in the. bar. We're like, "That's so weird." But. like, if Strewick has gotten to it in. the bar, like he's somehow managed to. escape. You'll see the remnants of like. the plate, you know? Like, but there was. nothing. So, I was like, >> maybe somebody moved it. Like, maybe. somebody thought it was going to spoil. and put it in the refrigerator. I don't. know. Like, what happened? >> And everybody was looking forward to it.

I mean, it smelled delicious. It looked. delicious. It was handmade by our. neighbor with love. I'm like, it's got. it's got to be here. Like, I'm I'm going. crazy. And we're looking, the whole. family is now in there looking for it. because everybody wants this damn peach. cobbler. And then I see something on the. floor, Moren. I'm like, what's that? It's like tucked underneath the sort of. rim of where the cabinetry ends. And it. is the outer edge of the glass pie.

plate. >> Stop it. >> We pull it. I mean, not a crumb, not a. single speck of cinnamon was left. That. dog ate the whole thing. >> What's But are you saying that Strudwick. had the presence of mind to hide it or. do you think it was just a lock of. >> Streick is not that smart? No. Strudwick. got out of his area. He got in that bar. He got up on his hind legs. He got that.

pie tin. What do you call it? the glass, you know, the pie round that was holding. the cobbler. He got it down on the. floor. He devoured it, >> every single morsel of it. >> And then I think just in the licking of. it, maybe he had to shove it against the. wall for like leverage to get every. single morsel that it kind of slid under. to where we could. And it wasn't even. broken. It was there intact 100% without. one little crumble left. >> So, he didn't really leave a paw print. really. It's like a very clean crime.

scene. >> It was very impressive. He was inches. away from a clean getaway. But we wanted. that cobbler so badly. And then I never. had the heart to tell my neighbors. They're probably learning about it for. the first time right now because it was. such a generous gift. They were so sweet. to make it. I didn't have the heart to. tell them. It was terrible. >> Oh, >> I know. So, >> so is he locked up for uh do you lock. him up for fix Thanksgiving? >> You know what we do now? We give him to. the dog walker for the day. >> Very smart. and Thunder too because the. caterers are there like they cannot be.

trusted. So we we set out the appetizers. in like a living room where she again. he's not allowed to go in there. He's. special needs. You have to live. defensively when you live with. Spreadwick. Um but we I she made among. other appetizers like chicken wings and. they were sitting like on a low coffee. table and I was having PTSD just like. seeing them there. I'm like, "Oh my. god." Like if he came in and Doug and I. were laughing. Like what would he do if. we actually tried saying strut? No. And.

we both laughed. We had such a good. belly laugh. That would not s He He said. what I believe, which is it would just. make him go faster. Like they're going. to take me away from these in a second. How many can I get down? So, no, he has. to be out of the house for that. particular day. Thank God for our our. dog walker. She's a miracle worker and. she's great with our dogs. Anyway, so. this is a long diversion, but here's to. all of you in Thanksgiving. Send us your. Thanksgiving traditions and debacles. Uh. the emails meant Kelly.com. All right,

let's back get back to some of these. stories because I definitely want to. hear your take on Selma Blair. I know. you covered the meltdown on the plane. brilliantly. She's apologizing. again. She had to do this after her last. on air or on inair meltdown. Now it. happened again where she just to refresh. listener she had some sort of a massive. meltdown where she reportedly tried to. open up the plane door in flight. She. denied that later but there were. witnesses and then she attacked a flight. attendant or two and then she got taken.

away by an ambulance when she landed and. she attacked a cop and a nurse and she's. been charged um and is facing at least. state charges now and they they could be. added to. So now finally took took her. long enough she decided to go on cam and. post an apology to Instagram. Here it is. 12. >> Hi it's me. and I know I've been quiet for a couple. weeks since October 11th and you deserve.

to hear from me directly and I'm sorry. that it's taken this long. there is a legal matter going on and my. lawyers have asked me to not say. anything about that day and I'm. listening to them. and. I take this very seriously. What I can tell you though is. very simple and the truest thing I know.

about myself and that not one day ever. have I intended to hurt or frighten. anyone. a day in my life. And so to the people that I. disappointed, that I hurt, that I. frightened, alarmed, I am so sorry. This is very odd to me. Like the people.

that she hurt are individuals. >> like the cop and the nurse and the. flight attendant who deserve a personal. apology, not some Instagram post. Um, so this seems to me to just be PR. >> Yeah. You know, she um repeatedly kicked. a police officer in the head in that. ambulance. Um, she hospitalized, I. believe, one of the people she. assaulted. Um, you know, the the kind of. language that a People magazine uses is.

not the proper language. They'll say. that that one of them like sustained a. laceration. No, she bit somebody and. broke skin, which means you have to go. to the hospital and at least get a. tetanis shot. At least probably all the. biting. >> she loves to bite. She that that that um. statement that video statement goes on. in which she she then says, um, so yeah, I'm sorry. And she claps her hands and. she puts them down here like this. And. it's almost like, I'm sorry. Okay, I'm. sorry. >> That's it. >> Are you satisfied now? It's over. Can I.

get on with my life, please? You know, I've been a menace in the skies twice. now. twice. This may be felony because. the FBI it's like multi-state cuz you're. in the air. >> Yes. >> Um and. >> yeah, the charges relate to who she. heard on the ground. >> Ah, okay. Okay. >> And what could be coming are federal. charges based on what she did in the. air. >> Yes. And um you know, she she begins by. saying, you know, my lawyers are are. asking me not to discuss this, so I. can't discuss it. Well, what are you. doing here, lady? >> Yeah. >> What are you doing here? We are, you. know, and um her people have been.

planning these these stories that, you. know, everybody's terrified for Selma. Who who's terrified? I'm not terrified. for I'm terrified for myself if I ever. find myself in an airport lounge with. her, let alone on the same flight, >> right? You know, >> don't give her the emergency exit seat, whatever you do. >> Seriously, like strap her in. She should. be on a no fly list by now. >> She should be. She should. She I think. both incidents were on Delta. Like Delta. at at a minimum should say you're no. longer welcome to fly Delta Airlines. I. mean, I think it's time. One incident. would do it for any normal person. Yeah.

>> And then the nerve, her lawyer went in. there and was like, given all the good. she's done for society, she shouldn't. have the book thrown at her. And the. judge, to the judge's credit, was like, you're not pulling that in here. Don't don't try to get special right. >> treatment for her. And so, it's like I. don't I don't know what's going on with. Selma Blair. I just think like they. should throw the book at her. She is a. repeat offender. She should there should. be absolutely no break cut for her. because she's claimed like four. different illnesses. I don't know which. one she's claiming did this, but like.

whatever it is, you're not controlling. it and you become a menace to society. You hurt a lot of people. You endangered. a whole planeload of people. Like I'm. kind of over the nonsense around her. I. kind of want her to just skull off and. go deal with whatever whatever the hell. the issues are. >> You know, prison is um is great because. it's a great deterrent, right? Like I. doubt if Selma Blair does even a year, she'll come out and like ever think that. uh publicly assaulting people, assaulting people in general is in any.

way like appropriate. She's her You're. so right about the lawyer who had the. like unbel like you're in a New York. City courtroom. You're in Queens, New. York. You're going to say to a judge. there at like midnight uh after she's. cut loose from Jamaica hospital, which. means that there was nothing. psychologically wrong with her. She was. fine. Oh. Uh, you should treat my. client. You should give her special. treatment. You know why? She's a. Hollywood actress. Yeah. All the good. she's done. And he didn't cite, oh, she's helping abused children or she's. helping dogs who can't be housed or.

whatever. Like, it was like acting. She's. >> She was in Legally Blonde. >> She acted in a couple of movies. Um, I'm. not sure that gets you special. treatment. Uh, sir, what' you say, Deb? Oh, we do. We have some of it. Let's. watch it. Stop 14. She want to be make a. record that what she's done for people, what she's done as a as a human being. should be at least acknowledged. >> Council, thank you for your arguments. My ruling still stands. >> I just wanted you to know I didn't ask. for special treatment. Just an.

acknowledgement at the same time of har. action and conduct that has a body. >> I've made my ruling. >> I understand, but I asked you for a. discretionary ruling, not under the. statute you you quoted. >> Okay. If my my discretion is used and um. it's the implication, council, I'm not. going to go through this on the record. that um you're trying to use her status. to have the court in its discretion. change the bail. >> She knew what she's done for the people.

like being a Hollywood actress. Does. that get her something more than like. the people who go in there every day? an. undermployed one at that, you know, the. the talk about like merching something. The thing that a lot of people I've. spoken to about that video that she did. and I would love to know too who makes. that shirt that she's wearing that. blouse. >> in the video apology video. Can we run. that again now? I need to pay better. attention. Hold on. Let's see this. again.

>> Hi, it's me. >> She got the white cuffs. Yeah, the cuffs. and the collar white and it's like it's. got this like stiffness to it, but you. can tell it's soft. >> Okay, I can find out. I'm going to find. out. Uh Sarah, you know, you know, you. think she can find out? >> She's very good at finding out things. like that. She's got she's got the. internet wired. >> And the pant, too, is like really It's. like this like as we've said, yellow's. hard to pull off. >> Look at her hair, Moren. >> Oh, the hair is awful. The hair is. awful. >> It looks like a bad 70s wig on a boy,

you know? Like maybe like remember. Nicholas from Eight is Enough? Oh, that's a that's a great reference. You. know, >> that is like the Nicholas bowl cut some. frizz. Like it looks like she hasn't. washed it in like a week. >> But look at the skin. The skin looks. great. This that's like a no makeup. makeup. >> Yeah. Yes. >> Glowy. Like she looks healthy. Does she. look like someone who would rip open a. plane door? >> She trying to tell us she's not healthy. Shouldn't she have gone with the like. homeless look if she wanted us to. believe she's got. >> a brain disorder? Right. I don't know.

She wasn't blaming this on her MS. It. was like something else. She was blaming. that. >> She's bl she she originally, I think, blamed it on skipping her MS medication, which we heard from a lot of people who. have MS and they're like, "That's not. how that works.". >> No, it doesn't cause you to try to open. up a plane door and bite people and kick. people in the head. No, it's not how. that works. >> But then she switched it to some other. ailment. I can't remember. It was long. and hard to pronounce, I think. Um, some. sort of neurolog. She claimed she has MS. and plus something else. >> Oh, I know what it is. It's um Eller's.

Danlo syndrome. >> Oh, is that what it was? was also. claimed by Lena Dunham. >> I can't keep up. >> I know. >> I can't like honestly trauma again. More. trauma. Trauma status. >> Status through trauma. Exactly. >> Billy Bush. He's He's. >> credit Billy Bush with that addition to. the lexicon. >> and so much more. Great to see you, my. friend. Always great. Have a wonderful. Thanksgiving. Enjoy your time out east. And I will enjoy my time at the. restaurant. >> Enjoy. Enjoy. I know you will. >> All right. Lots of love to be continued.

Thanks to all of you for tuning in. Have. a great weekend and we'll be back on. Monday.