King Charles vs. Diana's Brother, Harry's Big Fail, and Chazz Palminteri on De Niro and Woody Allen

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like to call him, because that's what. Princess Diana liked to call him. And it. just gets confusing because in his book, he's taking aim at then Prince, now King. Charles, and he's also Charles. So, he's. Carlos to us. Spencer issuing an apology. today as he kicks off his book. This is. turning into a nightmare. First, the. thing got stolen, four copies off the. back of a bus uh by some paparazzo and. it hit all the headlines hit everywhere.

long before its launch, which was. officially this past Tuesday, yesterday. I believe. And um. then already we had the palace push back. on some of the claims in there saying, you know, it was kind of the. recollections may vary. King Charles. version saying like the grief of a. brother may taint one's remembrances. Something along those lines because he's. claiming that then Prince Charles was. giddy upon hearing that Diana died and.

um that then at the funeral said to the. effect of she'll be forgotten very soon. Um so he doesn't like Charles. That's. very clear. But there are real questions. about whose memory is correct, right? Because the king is saying he's off and. the Earl is saying the king is off and. it's a mono immano situation. Well, enter Piers Morgan who is the Waldo of.

every great British royals story. He's. just somehow related to almost all of. them. I don't He's just been in media. over there so long and fearless that you. see him a lot in the background of these. stories, especially when it comes to. Diana because he knew her. They were. friends and she used him when he because. Piers came from like British tabloids. and she used him often to get stories. planted and to um bone up on what was. being reported and in some cases to.

change the copy. Piers has reported all. of that. Well, in any event, Piers. appears in the Earl's Earl Carlos's book. and not in a very flattering way. And uh. here's I'll let PICE tell you earlier. this week laying out what he says is. absolutely false in this brand new newly. minted book. Watch. >> because I can exclusively reveal on.

uncensored that. Spencer's book contains. fabricated inaccuracies which will. strike to the heart of his credibility. Spencer recounts how he personally. called round the tabloid newspaper. editors to uninvite them from Princess. Diana's funeral after they had all been. invited. The only one who sounded sirly. as opposed to merely confused or. embarrassed was Piers Morgan of the. Mirror who snarled with annoyance before. he hung up. Well, Spencer uh then. explains why I may have been sirly with.

him. I assumed Morgan must be feeling. particular guilt. He writes, "Because. four years earlier, he and his Sunday. Mirror counterpart had published. photographs taken with hidden cameras by. a gym owner. They were of Diana working. out in a leotard. This was such an. intolerable invasion of her privacy that. Diana instructed lawyers to sue the. mirror group. Well, this is all pretty. extraordinary stuff, isn't it? Very. damning, particularly about me. I come. across in the most despicable manner.

imaginable. There's just one problem. It's all and very, very easy. for me to prove it. The. photographs which he says that I. published were printed by the Sunday. Mirror on November the 7th, 1993. I joined the Daily Mirror in October. 1995. If Spencer can be so incredibly. defamatorily wrong about such basic.

facts involving me, well, why should we. believe anything else that he puts in. this book? Very. good question. Piers then threatened. legal action. He's hired a very. well-known defamation law firm in the UK. where the defamation laws are much. stricter than they are here in America. And um Earl Spencer. through a spokesperson first put out a. written statement and then went on a. show called Lorraine this morning or.

involving someone named Lorraine. I. don't know the UK morning TV. And I'll. play you his soundbite in a second, but. his written statement read as follows. Earl Spencer's account of his. conversation with Piers Morgan is. accurate. Mr. Morgan was thoroughly and. annoyed when Earl Spencer called. personally to tell him that he was not. welcome at his sister's funeral. The. book then records Earl Spencer's. assumption that Mr. Morgan's response. was because he was editor of the Daily.

Mirror when the Mirror Group had. published highly intrusive photographs. of Princess Diana at the gym. The. photographs were published by the Sunday. Mirror on 7 November 1993. Mr. Morgan has pointed out that he did. not join the Daily Mail Mirror until. October of 1995, two years later. As an historian, accuracy is important to Earl Spencer. He therefore wishes to clarify that his. assumption was incorrect. Earl Spencer.

apologizes to Mr. Morgan for this error. Okay. So then Earl Spencer Carlos goes. on morning television today in the UK. and here's what he said. the allegations. from Piers Morgan. He's going to pursue. legal action because there were some. inaccuracies in the Would you apologize? Will you've apologized for it and it's. going to be changed? >> Absolutely. I mean, unlike some. journalists who we know we know of, I'm.

very happy to acknowledge I made a a a. small error and I've apologized and it. will be put right in the in the second. edition, but that's it. What he said is. though, if you get that wrong, what you. know, it's given people an opportunity. to have another go at you to say, well, if you got that wrong, what about other. inaccuracies in in the book? What would. you say to them? >> Well, I stand by the book. >> Okay. But this is a deep deep problem. for him because as Piers has pointed.

out, he is writing about an alleged. exchange that happened the same week as. his alleged exchange with then Prince. Charles. And obviously he is way off. base on his facts. I mean that is th I. let me just explain to you what a. massive fall down this is there. Not. only do you as the author check your. dates and your facts when you write a. book. I've written one but I happen to. be married to somebody who writes a lot. of them. And the factchecking is.

extensive. If you know, my husband. actually is a historian and checks all. of his own facts and is very meticulous. about it. It's not to say you can never. make a mistake, but the factchecking is. meticulous. And then the publishing. house checks all of the the factchecking. is a massive pain in the ass piece of. writing a book. And the the notion that. something as basic as this was wrong. does undermine the entire credibility of.

this book. He was off by two years and. when Piers was at the Daily Mirror like. that's that's literally just a Google. search. That is the easiest fact check. you could possibly do. There was utter. apathy in checking the facts on this. book. That's what this tells me. And. obviously the Earl has a bone to pick. with Pierce. He doesn't like him. That's. very clear because he says this was his. assumption that the reason he was.

thoroughly, which Pierce denies, but the. the Earl is trying to tell us he was. thoroughly because he had basically. blood on his hands. He's trying to tell. you in this book that the paparazzi. killed Diana and that Piers was. basically one of them because he was. running a tabloid that had paparazzi. like figures out there taking pictures. of Diana. Except Piers didn't even join. the publication until 2 years after the. allegedly offensive pictures and story. about Diana at the gym.

So even that is defamatory. That. suggesting that Piers was running the. show there and had made those editorial. decisions is defamatory. And then to say. that when you disinvited him because I. guess some lord over there who oversaw. the media had invited all of the heads. of these British tabloids to Princess. Diana's funeral. Not because I mean it. does sound weird to those of us because. we would never like god forbid there was.

a you know a death of somebody you know. who was the head of state or the wife. etc. We would never be calling like the. national inquirer and inviting them to. the funeral. But over there and you got. to understand this the term tabloid is. it's not as lowbrow as they are over. here. like tabloid over here. You. understand? You're probably going to see. an alien on the front of one, you know, like and learn about how it's having a. baby possibly with Jennifer Aniston. Okay, that's that's how we understand.

tabloid over there. It's a little bit. more elevated. I'd say it's more like a. US Weekly type publication, although. even more credible than that. So anyway, my point is simply they did get invited. over there because the the practice over. there, I guess, is whenever there's a. prominent death involving the royal. family or head of state, they do invite. the heads of these media organizations. Piers was explaining this um this week. Anyway, so this lord had invited peers. and others, but then Carlos, Diana's.

brother, was mad because he blamed her. death on the paparazzi and he wanted. them all disinvited and apparently took. great pleasure in calling around to them. saying, "You're not coming." And he. included Piers on that list. He called. Pierce and he he told him, "You're not. invited." And you heard Pierce. describing his reaction there that he. wasn't and Pierce explained that he. actually when he received the invitation. said, "Oh, I don't, you know, are you. sure they want that?" Like, "Are you.

sure?" Uh, Earl Spencer wants that. And. the Lord said, "Yes, it's fine." The. Lord. And, uh, so when Earl Spencer. called him to say, "I actually don't. want you to come." Pierce says he wasn't. surprised at all. And in fact, given the. circumstances, he was extremely. respectful. and had nothing but, you know, kindness. for Ro Spencer in that moment because he. understood what a massive loss he was. suffering. So now, Mr. Swagger, Carlos. Danger,

the new Carlos Danger in this book is. all about how basically I told him to. off. I called Pierce. I disinvited. him. He was thoroughly. I managed to. piss him off because he was disgusting. and he he knew what he had done and none. of it is true. Piers says absolutely not one word of it. is true. The Earl is holding on to well. you were surirly. I mean this is not. good. So Piers after receiving this like.

sad little apology that I read to you is. not satisfied. He wrote on X, quote, "Ear Earl Spencer has apologized to me. for his defamatory lies published in his. new book, Swansong, but I am pursuing. legal action against him and his. publisher, Penguin, to have the lies. removed and damages paid to the King's. Trust." In a follow-up expost, Piers. writing, quote, Earl Spencer's account. of our phone call is also deeply. misleading. I was neither sirly nor. annoyed, but instead very respectful to.

him and his family, as I wrote in my. diaries, The Insider. That was a. bestselling book he wrote back in 2006. It would seem that Spencer's. recollection of phone calls is very. suspect. And now we get news today that. the book, it's been on the shelves for. 48 hours. Uh the book, wait, not even. 24, entitled Swan Song, Diana, My. Sister, will now be edited and reprinted. without the stories about Piers Morgan.

in them. Or at least this one. this is. no way no way to to kick off uh your. your your book launch. Um so PICE is, you know, upset and had predicted that. they would have to pull the books off. the shelves here in Satu. Listen listen. here. This is him on TV's Chris Ship. September 22nd. >> In his apology to me today in which he. admits that he got it completely wrong. In my view, it's defamatorily wrong and. will be taking legal action against him.

and his publishers to have this removed. from the book and therefore probably. have the book removed because he's. admitted that it's completely. inaccurate. And that's exactly what's happening. Now, I don't think they're removing the. edition one books that are on the. shelves right now, but they're going to. print an edition two without this story. But that, you know, Purus is out for. blood. I mean, he's like, "That doesn't. clear up the defamatory books that are.

all over the world right now." You know, millions of people presumably are going. to read these stories about me, which. are obviously inaccurate. So, this guy's. been, you know, humiliated before the. book even really gets going. And here's. Pier saying a little bit more about that. business about whether he was surirly. Um, he happens to have a contemporaneous. record of that phone call. Piers does. He kept diaries, especially that week.

Can you imagine what that was? He he. knew Diana, as I said, and he turned. those diaries into a book. So, here he. is explaining that piece of it. Saw. three. He says, "I was sirly and annoyed. in this conversation," which is the week. when he claims, of course, to have had. the conversation with then Prince. Charles, which was so incendury about. him being giddy like a lottery winner. >> You're not you weren't sirly on that. phone call as he's down on today. >> It's an absolute lie to say that I was. Sir. I could not have been more. respectful. In fact, it's not just a.

case of you having to take my word for. it. Go back and read my own best-selling. volume of diaries, The Insider, and. check the diary entry about this phone. call, and you will see how respectful I. was to him and to his family, and asking. him to pass on my specific condolences. to his mother, who I spoke to on a. regular basis, as I did his sister, Princess Diana. So, he's lied about the. tone of our conversation, and he knows. he has. And that to me begs the.

question, well, if he's got that so. egregiously wrong, then is he to be. believed about his recollection of the. tone of the conversations he had with. then Prince Charles? I would argue he's. not. Well, we can also report to you here. from the Megan Kelly show that we have. spoken with a source who knows Earl. Spencer. And this source has informed us. that Earl Spencer has been long known to. have a faulty memory when it comes to.

retelling the stories that he loves to. tell. That each one retold will have new. fabulous details. Something gets. enhanced, something gets left out. But. the same story that should ring the same. way with the same basic facts over the. years in fact changes depending on the. audience that he's in front of um the. amount of time that's gone by his mood. etc. And you know if that's and look. there's one there obviously everybody.

tells a story a little differently each. time you tell it but to actually change. basic facts about it is a different. thing entirely. And we're when you're. talking about potentially defamatory. statements, things that would embarrass. someone or make them look bad, and then. also you vary so much in the telling. that you're no longer being truthful, which is what both the king and Piers. Morgan are alleging happened here. Now. you're in some trouble. Now you are in. potential legal trouble. Now there's no. way King Charles is going to sue Earl.

Spencer over this book. Um, we all know. that. that would only cause more call. more attention to it. But all the. reporting we've seen since this book was. leaked, you know, the alleged theft of. the books um shows that Earl Spencer. cannot stand King Charles. Cannot stand. him. Hates his guts. And by the way, my. source tells me that is the case that. he's hated Charles from the beginning. Um he can't stand him for a whole host. of reasons. So you got to factor that in.

to his reporting about the king. And now. what we see in these British papers is. dueling narratives. You know, the one. side is saying that King Charles, yes, he was divorced from Diana as Moren and. I were discussing on Friday. So, is it. possible when he found out that and it. was an ugly divorce and it was very. public and you know, is it possible when. he found out that she had passed, there. was a piece of him that felt relieved in. the way like nobody really wants to. share custody of their children. Well,

maybe not nobody, but a lot of people. and this was a problem sort of that was. solved for him. That's possible. But. there is a lot of reporting out there. that it's actually not true that King. Charles was devastated to hear that she. had died. He didn't want that. and that. most especially he was devastated that. he was going to have to tell those boys. their mother was dead and that he. decided to wait until they woke up that. they were asleep and he didn't see any. reason to wake them up in in the middle. of the night and break this news to them.

and uh that he personally sat on their. bedside and gave them the news which is. you know much to his credit I'm sure a. less thoughtful monarch or wouldbe. monarch could have delegated that to. somebody. And to if I'm honest, it seems. like Queen Elizabeth was so distant as a. mother. It's the kind of thing she might. have delegated. I know like everybody. loves how she was on the throne. I'm. just going to say like really glad that. wasn't my mom. All the stories about her. mothering make her I mean it seems like.

you could freeze ice on her ass. Um, it's not exactly the warmest, most. loving environment to be raised in, but. it really genuinely seems like Prince. Charles did better with his boys. By the way, I also have it on good. authority that Earl Spencer has been. telling that story about Prince Charles, again, then prince, now king, allegedly. having some sort of an affair with the. Vallet, you know, his like personal.

butler or possibly being gay for a long. time, too. So, he doesn't like Charles. Charles and Carlos don't get along. And. for some reason, now Carlos has decided. to write a tell- all. Is it because he. needs money? Is it because Al Thorp, that massive estate that belongs to the. Spencer family, is a lot to keep up? I. mean, who didn't watch Downtown Abbey, right? Lord Granthm, you know, he needed. to have Kora's inheritance because. otherwise he couldn't maintain the. estate. That's why they couldn't.

separate the estate from the endale. her estate, her inheritance. Anyway, yeah, these manners cost a ton of money. to maintain. So, there is a possibility. the guy needs the dough. Maybe he saw. the success of Harry's book spare and. decided might be an opportunity for him. Don't know. But this is this is not. good. So, as I mentioned, the king put. out a statement gentle, a little long. for my preference, you know, like it was.

basically a longer version of. recollections may vary, but they were. pinning it on Earl Spencer's grief at. the loss of Diana that has clouded his. judgment. Um, so Spencer came out and. responded to that with the BBC. and this is what he said. S four. >> You know. that Buckingham Palace has already said. with a degree of fury. that that didn't happen. >> They haven't actually, Laura, they've.

sort of smudged that one, haven't they? They've said that recollections may. vary. The king is plainly furious. Buckingham Palace almost never issues. any kind of statement. >> Well, is he furious or is he. embarrassed? Because I can tell you here. and now, those are exactly the words he. said. >> Did you. write it down? Did you keep a diary? Do. you have evidence that that is what he. said at the time? Because to be fair, this was a time of massive shock and. emotion for for both of you.

I told friends and family straight away, close friends and family about what had. been said because it was so monstrous. Which Charles or the public meant to. believe? Are they to believe you? Or are. they to believe the king, the head of. state of this country who's giving the. impression very forcefully. that this didn't happen? Who are we to. believe? >> Well, I'm telling the truth. I'm into that girl's accent and her.

manner. She's she's interesting to me. Um, I like it. But I I can back up. Again, a source in a position to know. has told me that he has been telling. that story for years about Charles. allegedly saying she'll be forgotten. soon enough about Diana. I mean, I am I. the only one who doesn't find that. monstrous? I'm like, uh, you know, maybe. he did think that. I'm sure he was. hoping he wasn't divorced. Have you ever.

gotten a divorce? Like a Well, I had a. friendly divorce with my first husband, so I don't feel like that. But I know a. lot of people who have been through very. ugly divorces, and they're not sitting. around wishing, you know, sweet nothings. to their ex, especially when there are. kids of kids involved. And like, she was. all over the press ripping him to. shreds. So, is it so hard to think that, you know, then Prince Charles thought. that Diana would be forgotten? I don't. know. Even so, what we see with this guy.

is he's emotional. Like, he's obviously. quite emotional. And um that can cloud. judgment, as Charles said. It can. And. you'd have to think like, is Charles. dumb enough? was like, okay, yes, he he. was getting an acrimonious divorce, but. you'd have to be kind of dumb to think. that Diana would be forgotten, especially that week. Do you remember? I. mean, I remember where I was when I. found out that Prince Princess Diana had. died. It was August of 1997. I had been. out and I could not believe my ears when.

I got home. I'd been out with a bunch of. lawyers having drinks and we were at a. club in Chicago and I couldn't I I had. gotten home in the middle of the night. all the TV uh stations were tuned in to. Buckingham Palace and the flower. bouquets were starting to stack up. No. one could believe it. I mean, she was. literally the most famous woman on. earth. One of the most famous people really. I. mean, there were very few men who were.

more famous than Princess Diana and. beloved, too, because the public had. taken her side. They knew that Charles. had been cheating on her with Camila and. she did a very good job of working the. press and she seemed more like a woman. of the people. She had been stripped of. her HR, you know, her royal highness. title. When they got a divorce, people. didn't like that. That's when they. started calling her the People's. Princess. And she seemed like a good mom. She she. worked that media like nobody's. business. And her ex-husband Charles did. not. He wasn't very good with it. So,

the people were on her side. And it just. it does seem unlikely that he would have. been so dense. He would have thought. that her premature death at age 36 would. have tamped down interest in her. So I. don't know what the truth is, but I do. find it all quite interesting because. the royal family is in a very precarious. spot right now thanks to those two. losers from Monteceto. Um they've really damaged the royal. family. Their their only real hope is.

Wills and Kate, by the way. Wait until I. get to what they did last night. Stunning, stunning developments with. them. But these two have done their. level best to bring down the monarchy. because they couldn't have what they. wanted. The half-in halfout approach and. they basically got kicked out. Like you. can't do that, you know? It's like. either you work here or you don't, you. know? It's like you're in or you're out. Pick a lane. And they didn't want that.

They didn't want to do the tedious work. of ribbon cutting, civic center stuff, that boring charitable work. They only. wanted to be seen with celebrities at. gallas. And they were pissed because, let's face it, Harry has never worked a. day in his life. He went to the. military. For that, I give him credit. Outside of that, has never worked a day. in his life. And Megan Markle is the. suits girl. Okay? She's the deal or no. deal girl. I'm sure that was very fun. and a good assignment, but this is not. exactly like hard labor. Um, so they.

didn't want to do it. You heard that. famous line that was she was reportedly. uh quoted as saying, "I can't believe. I'm not getting paid for this." When she. was standing out there being celebrated. by thousands, she's annoyed. So, okay, they I do believe have. threatened the monarchy. They've now. moved back to the UK and are trying to. cause trouble yet again um by showing it. up at all these events. People don't.

know whether they're supposed to be. treated like royals or not. The king. said not. They're private citizens. Then. they objected saying we want to be. called public figures, not private. citizens. You heard that. And now, can I. tell you something? Now, there is a. report in the Daily Mail um by uh. Allison Boschoff, who's an excellent. reporter, and she's got solid solid. sources on the royals, who reports as. follows. I am told by well-placed. sources, the extraordinary news that a. return to Monteceto, California for good.

has not been ruled out by these two. I. can't what? They just got there. Actually, she writes, "It could come. within weeks.". It's unreal. Indeed, it is apparently quote likely. that the family will quit the UK again. if Harry doesn't get the improved. taxpayer funded security which he has. been demanding for years.

This is incredible stuff. Those close to. the Duke say that the royal and VIP. executive committee, it's called Ravc. for short, uh that its decision on. security for him, his wife Megan, and. their children is expected within days. According to the Duke's friend, quote, "If he does not get security, then I. believe he will go back to Monteceto for. good, and that could be as soon as half. term." I don't know what that means. I.

don't speak British, but soon. She's. reporting very soon. Could come within. weeks. They knew. They knew that they were not. going to get this security. They'd. already been denied. And all the reports. that he wanted us to believe endangered. him. All the terrorist stuff, whatever, they said that the threat is greatest in. the UK. So, knowing he'd been denied and. that his alleged threats, which I don't. believe, were in the UK, he moved back. there anyway with his wife and his.

children. And he was so so worried about. security, he didn't bother checking out. the school route that he was going to. have to take his kids on every morning. or speak to some local parents, call a. local mom, go to the coffee shop or the. playground or the UK equivalent of the. town pool and ask some of the moms how. long the morning commute is because. apparently it's not just famous, it's. infamously bad. and they did no due.

diligence. Um, by the way, if they had just let the. security take the kids and like kept it. on the down low without making such a. big deal out of it, they probably would. have been fine. Nobody would have known. they even lived there. But his wife was. posting all the Easter eggs of their. location. People figured out exactly. where it was. Then they figured out the. school and then those two were h. horrified that their car got separated. from their securities in the in the. morning traffic. Okay. And by the way, you can put a guard in your card with. you, in your car with you. It's done all.

the time, trust me. And you can also get. a bulletproof car. That's another thing. you can do even as a lay person, which. you know, you want us to know you're. not. So, sure, you could pay to upgrade. the windows on your car, but he didn't. He wants you, the British taxpayer, to. pay for it or he's going to leave in a. huff, which really no one cares. On the. business about I mean, we care because. we don't want to inherit them again. We. we did our time. They're the UK's. problems now. But, um, on the subject of.

them coming back to the United States, Steve tells me halftterm means end of. October. Uh, Harry's already back in New York City. Like, they literally just moved. They've. been there, I think, less than 30 days. and he's already back here states side. He appeared for an event at the Clinton. Global Initiative and gave a speech. about AI being very very dangerous and. you know we all have to be very very.

scared. I mean the thing it's like we as. you know have had segments on the show. asking whether that is true and I think. any open mind should probe is that true? These are extraordinary claims that are. being made by people on the inside of. the industry. Let's discuss them. There. is a certain safetyist set that goes. right to. like an 11. actual fear. They love it. They like. they enjoy to be fear being fearful. They enjoy having a disorder. You know.

those people and of course he's among. them. So they ask him to give a speech. Well, here's what's interesting. Not not. of course the speech, but watch this. His teleprompter failed. It did not go. well. >> Social media learned how to capture our. attention. AI is learning how to enter our. relationships. It doesn't just want your attention. It. wants your attachment. It wants to be the thing you confide in,

the thing that remembers you. The thing. that tells you it understands you. the. ultimate sickant. Now, the damage was already done to a. generation of children and parents. We. do not have years for what comes next. >> And that's it.

>> How humiliating. I mean, honestly, you're a prince of. England and you can't ad liib like a. paragraph worth of summary, summation, and goodbye. I'm embarrassed for you. Genuinely embarrassed for you. Like, you went to eaten, right? Didn't he go. to Oxford or Cambridge, too? Like, come. on. You can't ad liib a paragraph. summation and goodbye. Get it together.

He hasn't been having a good week. um he recently went into a school and. you know tried to be like completely. charming and interact with the children. and look at me I'm so relatable you know. just like my mother was the people's. princess now I'm the people's prince. well the children didn't seem to much. appreciate that he was there with of. course just like his wife god forbid. they ever do one of these things without. being flanked by TV cameras because it's. all about showing you what a good person.

they are Um, listen to how the student. reacted in SA 12. >> It was faint, but what you could hear is. the students saying, "There are six. cameras in my face." And the overall. reaction of the children on that visit. was seemed to be like, "What is he doing. here?" that was in the UK before he came.

back and had his teleprompter meltdown. Now, his wife, neither one of these people seems to. have real friends. You know, we showed. you when Harry went to that NBA game, who did he show up with? Adam Silver, the commissioner. Like, what what. 40-year-old man wants to go to a. basketball game with? Like Adam Silver. is like an elderly guy. Like, not. elderly, but he's he's an older man. Um, why would you go with your buds? Like. doesn't he have any friends at all? Any.

doesn't she? I mean I think we know the. answer to this. So what happened over. there in the UK is she made sure made. sure that she was caught on camera with. the one celebrity friend she appears to. have over in England. And it is the. person who is arguably as nasty as she. is. Ellen Degenerous. I mean, the the. absolute irony of picking to show.

everybody like I have friends. I'm a I'm. a girls girl the one of the nastiest. people in showbiz. It's just perfect. It's on point. So, oh. Oh, surprise. They just happen to be caught on camera. while she's out with Ellen DeGeneres, neither of whom treats their staff well. Ellen DeGeneres won't let her staff look. her in the eye. It's why she got. cancelled for being a bully. It finally. came out. We all knew. Those of us who.

were in the TV industry knew she was a. nasty For years, we just kept our. mouths shut. But we understood all that. dancing is a fake. She's a And it. was just a matter of time before it came. out, which it did. And then her show got. cancelled. So now she fled to the UK. She hates President Trump. Really, it's. because everyone hates her and she's. been outed. Nobody wants to hire her. anymore. Once you're outed as that much. of a nasty person, they they don't want. anything to do with you. And by the way, like they'll know I if eventually it.

does come out, you know, I will tell you. this. Um, somebody, gee, I don't know who it could. have been, had a very nasty article. planted about me allegedly being this. kind of a boss when I was at NBC and, let's just say, not getting along with. the management there. And um I laughed. when that report got planted because I. knew I knew such a thing could never be. sustained. I knew I treat my employees. well. I'm tough for sure. I have. exacting standards and everybody knows. that. But my staff loves me. That's why.

they've all been with me for 10, 15, 20. years. That I knew it wouldn't stick. When you are actually this way, it will. stick. That's why Ellen had to flee to. the UK. That's why Meghan Markle. probably had to flee. that and many. other reasons. But no one wants to work. for her. How many publicists have she. and Harry been through? So I'm I wonder. what they talk about. The little people. they can't stand. How glad they. are to be away from their stupid staffs. who never understood them.

I don't know. But here's what's so great. about it. She is over there trying to. show us that she's an A-lister because. she's with an A-lister. I don't think we. can call Ellen Degenerous an A-list. celebrity at all. Uh I think she is. sealist at best. And um that's what. she's doing this week. Guess what Wills. and Kate were doing last night. They.

were with Tom Cruz and David Beckham at. the opening of Tom Cruz's latest movie, Digger. Kate looked respplendant. It's not a. word you say every day, but she looked. respplendant in this stunning gown, which was a little low cut for the. princess that she doesn't normally wear. that low cut, but she had on one of the. crown jewels. It looks like the heart of. the ocean, ladies. Does it not look like.

the heart of the ocean? It's in the the. shape of a heart. It's as big as the. heart of the ocean from Titanic. Um, it's a different color stone, but it's. stunning. It's got to be an amethyst. Um, and she is glowing. She looks. amazing. Tom Cruz is looking up to these two. He's, you know, it's it's tough, I'm. sure, to impress Tom Cruz, but uh, they. must have done it because they both look. stunning. They're with actual A-list.

celebrities. And these two losers are worrying about. failed teleprompterss, the fears against. the end of the world, and trying to make. ourselves look important by hanging out. with fellow bullies. How low can you go? Now, at the same. time, Harry is reportedly telling his. friends he's going to leave unless he. gets this taxpayer funded security. His. uncle, Earl Spencer, is still pushing.

the lies about Diana having been killed. by the paparazzi. Diana was killed by her driver who was. drunk. Um, but in any event, he's got. some advice for Harry and Megan in Stop. Five. Do you think Diana would identify. with the attention, the focus that has. been put on them and with with Megan who. said she felt like she was the most. trolled person in the world? If you look. at an article in a tabloid about.

Diana or the couple that you're. mentioning, Harry and Megan, you know, it's it's they they can be really really. unpleasant. And I think it would be. really beholden on people to learn from. Diana's example. I'm not here to speak. for Harry and Megan, but for anyone. who's being destroyed in this way daily, it must be such a cancerous influence in. their life. You've got to be kidding me. She wants nothing more than to be.

covered in every newspaper and tabloid. magazine here and in the UK. She just. wants to dictate what's actually in the. print copy. That's it. No, it's not. devastating. It's not hard. It's not. torture. And your sister didn't think. that either. They love it. She loves it. She absolutely needs it to feel relevant. and like she matters. It's why she too. has been trying to get herself and her. coverage out there since she connected.

with the Duke and before the Duke of. Sussex. That's Harry. Uh so that's. pathetic and I don't think Earl Spencer. understands what's happening with that. nephew at all. Or he does and he's being. willfully obtuse. All right, I have to. move on. There is an update today in. connection with the death of Presley. Gerber. TMZ is reporting that a doctor. was prescribing him ketamine, which is a. very serious drug, despite his known.

history, they write, of problems with. ketamine, according to people close to. him. His friends reportedly believe the. doctor should face consequences. I mean, this is pretty pretty. remarkable. They report sources with direct. knowledge say a doctor continued giving. Gerber ketamine even though he had a. documented history of issues with it. Um. while ketamine is sometimes used off. label in addiction treatment that is not. its primary FDA approved purpose. It's.

still unknown what drugs might have been. in Presley's system when he died. Just. that he opened up about the issues with. ketamine to close friends before he. passed away. Sources who had contact. with Presley in his final few hours told. TMZ he looked like he was under the. influence at the rehab center. The. source of the alleged drugs is still. being investigated and police have. interviewed other rehab patients. So. that confirms that there is a police. investigation underway now into the. death of Presley Gerber. Who gave him.

the drugs? Who what doctor was giving. him ketamine? We saw that in connection. with the Matthew Perry death. We TMZ is. also reporting that the situation has. drawn comparisons to Matthew Perry's. 2023 death in which prescribed ketamine. played a role. Um the doctor in that. case who prescribed that drug was. charged and found guilty and punished. And so this absolutely is on the table.

There could be a criminal charge in. connection with Presley Gerber's death. if they find this ketamine played a role. and that this doctor was inappropriately. prescribing this drug to somebody who. had had an addiction to it or addictive. problems around it. We know he was an. addict and he said opioids were his. thing. He also had a DUI and had a. problem with alcohol. in that update he did from the sauna in.

November 2025, he said he hadn't had a. drink since his birthday, which was July. 2nd. So, I don't know that alcoholic is. the case, but generally with a drug. addict, you can't do either. Same for an. alcoholic, like you can't do. intoxicating substances. So, what doctor. was giving him like prescribing him. ketamine? And by the way, like ketamine, in my understanding, is one of those. drugs you do like one time under the. care of a psychiatrist who will give it.

to you. You'll have kind of a trip. that's supposed to be life-changing. Psilocybin is another one. And then. you're supposed to kind of go on your. merry way. I don't think this is. something you're supposed to be doing. regularly, especially if you're if. you've got substance abuse issues with. this drug as TMZ is reporting. They say. his known history of problems with the. substance according to people close to. him. So, this is this is just terrible. There's a report in People magazine. I. mean, it doesn't really feel like news,

but Cindy Crawford is quote heartbroken. and completely in shock over the death. of her son. I completely believe that. Who who wouldn't be? Uh they described. the Cindy and her husband Randy. Presley's parents as saddened beyond. words. Kaia loved that Presley was so. open about his struggles. His family was. so proud that he was finding strength. and helping others. I believe that too. Then a source said this was never a. situation involving two absent Hollywood.

parents. Cindy and Randy could not have. been more supportive of Presley. Okay. I believe that I they seem like a. close family. Like there's tons of. pictures on the social media of them at. this lake house that they used to go to. and she's on record with um Vogue. magazine as that's that was like kind of. their go-to getaway. Their home in. Malibu which is on the ocean was. stunning and you could see some of his. videos from were from there. Uh Kaia. Gerber said that Cindy was the glue that.

helped the family together. she pointed. out because they had Sunday night. dinners together, pizza. That's I mean, I'm not sure what the story is there, but like, you know, ideally, we'd be. talking about more than just one night a. week, but that that could have been a. reference to once the kids became older, in which case it would be a total win. When my kids are 25 and 27, though this. is a few years ago, so let's call it 22. and 24. I'll be thrilled if they're. still coming over once a week for. dinner. So, I don't know what the. context was, but I don't think most.

people and certainly not I have. criticized the parents as not being. loving. I think they they are loving. They at least it seems. It's the fact. that he was living a good life that was. seemingly making him happy according to. his own statements and then at age 14. was thrust into the modeling world and. his parents allowed allowed him at age. 14 and then full boore at 15 to walk the. runways all around the world and to. become a full-time model. according to.

him that he was traveling non-stop and. he was all over the world as the face of. major brands and he was no longer. surfing and he was no longer doing water. polo and he was no longer doing the. things that made him happy and that that. is what he said. I'm not gleaning. anything. This is what came from his. mouth. Um and I'm sure nobody's having. more recriminations over that than Cindy. Crawford and Randy Gerber. It's. incredibly sad. My only hope is that.

they'll speak about it when they can. Okay, before we turn the page, we've got. to talk about Sunonny Host. She's. decided to out herself as having been. the hold out juror in a case involving a. cannibal. She, like the holdout juror in. Clancy, wanted she she was the one hold out, but. she wanted not guilty by reason of. insanity. And she turned it. She got it. She got that verdict. She turned all the.

11 jurors so that this cannibal could go. to a mental institution in New York. She's just outing this about herself for. the first time. Look at this. >> I thought absolutely that she was not. criminally responsible uh by reason of. of insanity. And the reason I felt that. I I I feel so strongly about this hold. out jurors because I was a hold out. juror in a case in the Daniel Rackowitz. case. I don't know if people remember. it. The butcher of Tomkins Square Park. It was in 19. >> the guy who ate the victims. >> Yes, he was.

>> You were on that jury and. >> I brought it up at the Hot Topics. meeting. I don't think everyone believed. me and then my producer looked it up and. I'm in the New York Times and apparently. several jurors questioned afterwards. said one hold out juror was principally. responsible. preventing them from returning a guilty. verdict. That was me. And it was because. I saw clearly that he was psychotic. was. >> he was in a psycho psychosis. He did not. mean to kill her. And once he killed.

her, he panicked. He he chopped up her. body parts. Yes. Boiled her body parts. Tried to commit the perfect crime and. then fed her. >> He got this guy off. >> And No. And but but he fed he that's how much I. believe in the insanity defense. And he. fed her body parts to the unhoused. >> Excuse me. Can I move over? >> I don't need to be around. But but all. that being said, it was so clear to me. in the jury room and we were sequestered. for nine days. One juror threw a chair. at me. They were so angry with me. But.

one by one, I picked them off and said, "What about this? What about that?" And. we ended up all 12 um unanimously voting. that he was not criminally responsible. That's my issue of insanity. But he is. still in a mental institution being. treated. OMG. And you're proud of this. You got. this cannibal who fed body parts to. homeless people into a nicer next 50.

years. And you feel really good about. that. I don't Jeffrey Dmer did not get a. not guilty by reason of insanity. Jeffrey Dmer had to go into a jail and. serve time. Didn't end well for him. there. How are we proud of this? That. she believed he was in psychosis. Even. the guy didn't want to argue that he was. in psychosis, the the defendant in that. case, but she decided he he belonged in. a mental institution. Well, good for. you. Yet another terrible thing Sunonny. Host has done for society. Um, okay, enough about her. There's there's a lot.

more to get to, and we're going to do. that when first time guest of the MK. show, Chaz Palter, joins us. I cannot. wait to talk to him. There are so many. things to go over. You're going to love. him. Stay tuned. Hey, thanks for watching today's full. episode. If you're new here, throw us a. subscribe. See what you think. Stay in. touch. There's plenty more goodness. where this one came from. As always, we. really do value your feedback, so email. me, too. Megan megnancelly.com.

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huge fan of. Chaz Palment is an actor, writer, director with a fascinating life. story. We're going to get into all of. it. Chaz, welcome to the show. >> It's good to be here, man. >> It's wonderful to have you. Okay. There's so much I want to go over. >> Sure. >> So, you actually were raised in the. Bronx. The A Bronx Tale is absolutely. genius. This is your movie and play, but. there there's a reason you were able to. write it so well. You lived it. >> I lived it. Yeah. Well, well, my real. name is Collro Lorenzo Palter. I grew up.

in the Bronx. You know, >> you're Sicilian. >> I was all Sicilian. 100%. As my father. would say, you're 100% Sicilian. Always. tell people that. >> I go, "All right, Dad. I'll tell people. that you know uh yeah I was born and. raised there and it really Megan it. started from when I was 9 years old. I. was sitting on the stoop and the you. know I'm just and this guy I saw these. two cars trying to fight over a parking. space and one guy got out with a. baseball bat and smashed the window and. the other guy and then his friend came. over to help the guy got hit with the.

bat and and killed the guy with the bat, you know, right in front of me from here. to the end of the table and I kind of. looked at him and he looked at me and. next minute I knew my father dragged me. up the steps. cops came. They because. people kept saying the little boy was on. the stoop. He saw it and um I didn't. rat. I just said no. I I didn't see. anything. >> How did you know not to rat even at that. tender age? >> Even at that age, >> you knew. >> there was a code. >> There's a code. Yeah. >> You say you grew up in a tough. neighborhood, but a great neighborhood.

>> Great neighborhood. Oh, I wouldn't trade. my childhood for nothing. >> What was it that was great? What why did. you love a tough neighborhood? It was a tough neighborhood because. there was a you see and know people. always accuse these Italian. neighborhoods of being racist. And were there racist guys there? Yes. Were there racist parents there? Yes. But basically a lot of the people there, this is all we had. It was our our. neighborhood. It was our town. It was. our turf. And we don't want anybody like.

coming in it for whatever reason. It was. like some of it was racist, but some of. it was more, hey, this is ours. We want. to keep it this way, >> you know. And I was never racist. My. dad, he was a bus driver, but he was. also a professional fight trainer. He. trained fighters and and a bunch of his. fighters were black at the time. This. and this is in the 60s. And my father. would have black fighters come to my. house, my apartment, and the neighbors. would say, "What you know, Lorenzo, what.

are you doing? who are these guys here? And he said, "No, they're good guys. I. trained them, you know." So, I grew up. really not being prejudiced at all. >> where some of my friends were. And I and. I wasn't. >> And I was just I was an artist. I was. this guy who was tra I was this like, >> for a better word, I was this street. tough guy, but I was trapped in this. artist body where I I wrote poetry. I I. wrote, you know, I I I wanted to be an. actor. I wanted to be a writer.

So I was like, you know, different than. a lot of my friends. >> There was a romantic streak to you. >> Yes. Yes. >> So you grew up in this neighborhood and. the mob is there for sure. And this. character Sunny Yes. that's become. becomes so famous in a Bronx tale that. everybody falls in love with. He's a. mobster with a heart with like an. ethical code, >> which is something about the mafia that. is has been portrayed in other movies. This ethical code that they follow, right? >> You know, as strange as it may seem. Yes. There. But like these tough guys. with hearts are they're icons of.

American film for a reason. People. >> like seeing that. >> Yes. >> And Sunny would become in fact this. mobster who was involved in that that. murder that you just talked about. >> Exactly. >> A mentor to you in real life. >> Yes. See the thing that made a Bronx so. you know a classic and so many people. talk about it and write about it is. because Sunny and my father told me the. same thing. They were just different. people. If you think it's not black.

against evil, good against it's it's. it's gray against gray. My father was. saying, "You got to stay in school. Make. you know the saddest thing in life is. wasted talent." That was my dad. Don't. waste your talent. Don't waste your. talent. And Sunny's going, "Hey, get out. of this neighborhood. Do something with. your life. If you stay here, you hang. out with those guys, you're going to get. hurt." So, he said the same thing. But. what makes the story so unique is my. father my father said it doesn't matter. what Sunny says by hanging around them.

you will be drawn to that life or you. will get hurt just being in their. vicinity. >> and I couldn't understand that. >> the mobsters it's like Sunny didn't want. you hanging around with your derelch. friends and your dad didn't want you. hanging around with Sunny Exactly and. his derelch colleagues. >> Yes. Oh, he just said you will get. in the in a jackpot they called it by. being with those people. And you know. it's true sometimes. Look,

>> by just being there and if you remember. the biker fight. >> This is the greatest scene known to man, right? >> We actually have it queued up because. it's my husband's and my favorite scene. It's the greatest and people tried to. imitate it. >> I know. >> Did you see they imitated it on um. Yellowstone? >> I see that a lot. >> The Yellowstone uh you know Dutton. Ranch, whatever. Yeah, >> they they've been cribbing off of your. work, but that's all right. It's. cribable. I take that as a compliment. It doesn't bother me. No, because I. could have got hurt there. >> I could have got hurt when there was a. another thing that happened where.

somebody shot the windows in in the club. and I was in there. I could have died. So, my father was correct about all of. this. It doesn't matter. He says sometimes. sometimes you can't see what when you he. used this famous line which was when you. get older you'll understand. Mhm. >> When I was young, I didn't understand. that sometimes. evil, I don't want to say the word evil, but it's not so recognizable. >> That you have to get older to.

understand. Well, wait a minute. Gee, I. could have got hurt. And now, now that. I'm old, I go, "Wow.". >> Your dad used to say, "The saddest thing. in life is wasted talent." And my mom. used to say, she's also Italian. Stop. crying or I'll give you something to cry. about. >> Right. Oh, my father said that, too. >> Not as inspirational though. >> No, my father said that and my mother. said that. We were from Kitri, which is. by Naples, on my mom's family. Yeah, >> my wife is from My wife is from uh right. near Naples. It's called a town called. Santa. We have a house there now and. it's it's beautiful.

>> Oh, sounds awesome. Well, okay. So, back. to your up because I want to get into a. Bronx tail, too, but just I want to set. that foundation for you. >> before we get there. So, you're a kid in. the Bronx with a romantic streak. You're. you're into like your English lit class. and you're writing poetry. >> My best subject. >> And you're not thinking that you're very. smart because you would later realize. that you were dyslexic. >> Very dyslexic. >> Until that one teacher saw something in. you. >> Yes. >> So who was that and what what did that. do for you? >> That was my English lit class. And u.

when I was in college and. >> in Bronx Community College like we're. not at Harvard. >> Oh, we're not at Harvard at all. I mean. I no I I no I I didn't because my high. my grades in high school were like just. passing. >> Yeah. >> Because I I didn't I it was hard for me. I couldn't understand why. >> I thought I could speak to people. intellectually but I it was hard for me. to do work and I never realized it till. I got diagnosed with dyslexic. Then I. went who hold on wait a minute.

>> I said could you tell me that again? I. said that was me. And she goes you're. dyslexic. And when she test, I said, "You're. dyslexic." She said, "OMG.". >> And I was like, >> because back then they called you dumb. >> They weren't doing this testing. >> No, they they thought I was dumb, you. know, but there was something about the. English lit class and it was a I'll. never forget it. It was a short I got. the chills every time I think of it. It. was a short uh story written by DH. Lawrence called The Rocking Horse. And I.

read it and then they said, "We want you. to do a a paper on the whole thing." And. I just read it and I just. I was able to see the metaphors in the. whole thing. and I wrote it out and then he said he. got up and he said uh Mr. Palteri I want. to read read it and I read it and he. said that's that was the best metaphor. that and I'm like. I I am a little smart. >> Yeah, maybe I'm not dumb. >> Maybe I'm not dumb. And all while you.

had been going through this upbringing. in the neighborhood and Sunny and your. dad, the bus driver and all that, your. mom. >> Yeah. >> who was very loving. >> Yes. >> And your parents loved each other. >> Um was taking you to the movies. >> Yes. My mom used to take me to the. movies when I was very young. I remember. seeing around the world in 80 days and I. remember the colors, the technicolor and. I would then I would I would constantly. go to movies and I and I I used to watch. the wise guys on the street and I would.

imitate them like I was a very good. mimic. I could imitate the wise guys and. that was. >> I wanted to be an actor, you know. I. wanted to write. >> When did when did you first have that. thought? >> I probably about 101. >> Oh wow. Okay. 101. >> Was that an acceptable thing to say in. the Bronx? Well, you know, you just said like a. guy, yeah, I want to be an actor. You. know, okay, guys would say that, but I. really wanted to be an actor and I. wanted to write. >> and I wrote poetry in high school and I. found some of them recently and some of.

them were not bad. someone not good. But. you know, but I always had this like I. could always see. beyond it was I I always felt like there. I was looking through a lens and. watching people. >> Is it hard to memorize lines if you have. dyslexia? >> Uh that I had to work very hard at it. Yeah. >> And the way I worked at it was I would. say the line in tape recorder. I would.

say I would say that person's line in a. tape recorder, then leave a space, then. read my line, say that person's line in. in a cassette player, what I had. >> Wow. >> And then wait, and then say So then I. would learn lines by hitting the tape. recorder, and then the person would say. their line. So order or I would memorize. it auto. They would say the line to me, and then I say my line, and then I wait. till the actual line came out if I had. it right or correct. Oh god, that's And. I still learn it that way. >> Really? >> Yes. So, well, so you majored in drama.

in college. Okay. So, you definitely did. want to be an actor and now you're. realizing I I may have a talent in. writing and in storytelling. >> Yes. >> And then you graduate and it's like it's. not that dissimilar from when I decided. I wanted to break into news where you're. like, >> but I have no connections. It's a. competitive industry. >> Yes. >> I don't know anybody, >> right? >> How am I? And so, you decided. >> maybe to pay the bills, I'm a tall guy. Yeah. >> From the Bronx. >> and not a fight. >> Yeah.

>> My father taught me how to box, you. know. >> Okay. So, you decided to do and that. actually. >> that was fine. It paid the bills for a. while. >> Yeah. >> But it was your utter failure at that. job that eventually gave us the Bronx. >> tail. That's correct. I mean, I I went. to Hollywood. I was actor, you know. I. got on Broadway as an understudy, which is a funny story. I got on. Broadway as an understudy and uh uh I I. mean I mean I was a good I mean I. remember st I got into Lee Straber. I. studied with Lee Straber.

>> That's like. >> himself. Him. >> Wow. >> You know first I mean I right away not. right away Dustin Hoffman. >> I got Yeah. I was old I'm younger than. Yeah. No, I know. But I got. >> But Dustin Hoffman used to be a janitor. there. A lot of people got in by doing. whatever they could just to get. notified. But I studied with Mitch Nester and. Ernie Ernie Kov Ernie uh Cavix and then. I got to study with Lee as a young but I. I was good you know I was just good. talented I knew it I had that. >> I just knew it. I have my father my son.

always goes Dad you know you got to easy. on the ego that you know I go it's not. an ego I'm just telling you how I feel. >> Yes. When you when you're in your zone. of genius you know it. >> You know it. You know, if I'm in my. wrong way and I'll say it. I'm going, "Ah, this is not really me.". >> Yeah. It was like those cooking segments. they made me do on NBC, >> right? >> Not the zone of genius. >> Oh, you know, when I No, never mind. But. when I saw you when I was like, "Come. on, Megan.". >> Yeah. >> Be back to where you were, Megan. >> You were not alone. >> I was like, "Megan, come on. >> You like Fox, Megan.". >> I said, "All right, you made a lot of.

money. Stop doing this now. Go back to. Fox, Megan.". >> We we wound up going a different route. >> Yeah. Anyway, but uh so I I I I. >> You're with Lee Strasburg. >> Yeah. So anyway, to make. >> the actor studio and also. >> and then I got a then I got an. understudy part which is really and I'll. tell you a quick story which I think. it's amusing. Your fans might like it. So I finally get my break somewhat. break. I'm an understudy on Broadway. understudying this big.

>> the lead guy you know and I go wow man. this is great you know. So, and and my. all when the wise guys when I go back to. the neighborhood and I the wise guys. here I'm telling about I'm going to be. on Broadway. They say to me, Chaz, we. want to come and see you. And this these are the guys that took. over after Sunny passed on and his crew. Oh man, Sunny would have been proud but. we want to come and see you. I go, great. When could we come? I said, well, you can't really come now. They said,

why? I said, 'Well, because I'm an. understudy.' They said, 'What's an. understudy? They don't know. They don't. know these guys, right? They're. hoodlers. What do they know? I go, "Well, if something happens to the guy, then I go on not realizing what I just. said." Uhoh. >> You know, and I and I kind of walked. away and saw some of my other friends. And then one of the guys walks over to. me, the one guy who took over and he. goes, "Hey, Chad, can I talk to you?" I. went, "Yeah, what's up?" He goes, "Uh,

you want to go on?". >> Oh, God. >> So, I said, I didn't know what he meant. I said, "Excuse me." He goes, "You know, you want to go on?" And then I realized. what he was saying to me. I said, "No, no, >> no, not that. >> No, you can't do that. No, I I No, don't. ever do that." He goes, "Don't worry. We'll make it look like a mugging. Nobody will know. He'll be in the. hospital two, three weeks. Don't worry. about I said, I'm begging to get Please. don't do this. Please." Oh. >> And I talked him out of it. But that. night when I went to see the show, cuz.

as an understood, you have to watch the. show. >> Yeah. >> And this guy treated me terrible to. star. >> Uhoh. >> He treated me really bad. He never he. was always very dismissive of me. >> Would I know the name? >> I Yeah, >> but you don't have to tell me. But would. I know it? Is it a household name? >> No, it's not a household name, but he's. a he's an actor. He's known. And I. looked at him and I said, "Man, you. don't know how lucky you are, >> right? You should be thanking me right. now.". >> Thanking me. But anyway, but I I always. felt that, you know, but my big break. came. I went to LA. I got on I was on I.

got a part right away on Hill Street. Blues. I was doing that for like four. episodes, then on on Madlock, then on. Dallas and then, you know, you do all. the guest star shows, you run out of. guest star show. And then about a year. after that, I went through the money. that I made from that. And then I said, "Well, I got to go back to running doors. again." So I went to as a door man and I. was really good as being a door man. because I was personable. >> and the Bronx accent it's good.

>> the Bronx accent but I was I could talk. my way out of thing, you know, I was. always like, "Hey man, just take it. easy. Let's re Why? Come on, stop. What. are you going to fight over this?". >> Yeah. >> And people always liked me without the. bosses. But then. one night this guy walks over and just. gets in my face right where the rope is. and goes, "Hey, hey, I'm late. just open. the rope and let me in. I said, "Screwy, take it easy. Are you on the list?" And. he looks at me and says, "Do you know.

who I am?". >> Obviously not. >> So, and when people ever say that, when. somebody ever goes, "Do you know who I. am?". >> That was awful. >> I mean, can I I can curse, right? >> Yes, you can. >> They can I can say they're an. When you say that to me, do you know who. I am? So, I looked at him. I said, "Yeah, I know who you are. You're the. guy that's not getting in tonight." So. he got really mad at that and he said, "You'll be fired in 10 minutes." So I. said, "Really?" Yeah, right. Everybody. says that. But 10 minutes later, the.

boss called me in. And he said, "Do you know who that was. that you just didn't let him?" He goes, "This is his party tonight." I go, "It's. his party?" He goes, "Yeah." I go, "Who. is it?" He goes, "That was Swifty. Lazar.". >> Oh gosh. >> He goes, "Swifty Lazar is the biggest. agent in the world." Chaz is aware of. Mars. >> Yeah. who I'm with now. So I go, "Wow, I didn't know who it was." He. goes, "Look," he goes, "He throws these. big parties there. He wants you out.".

I said, "Hey, you know what, Ferno? You. always been good to me.". >> I shook it was like the It was like The. godfather when Dairo gets fired. >> Yeah. >> I shook his hand. I said, "You know. what? You always been good to me. You. helped me out a lot past four months. Don't worry about it." And I left. I. went home. I sat in my I I went home. I got in my. 1972, this is 40 years ago, 40. something. I got in my 1972. Honda Civic. used to have a leak in it. The water, you know, used to overheat a lot. And I.

got home and I sat down. I was I was had. this kind of dumpy apartment in West in. West Hollywood. And I just said, "What. the hell am I going to do?" And on the. on the on the. uh refrigerator was the saddest thing in. life is waste of talent. I had one of. those magnets to hold the card up. I. looked at that. I said, "You know, if. they won't give me a great part, I'll. write one myself." I got back in the. car. I went to Thrifty Drugstore. I got. five tabs of legal paper and I said,

"What am I going to write?" I said, "I'm. going to write about Sunny, the. Killing." I said, "I'm going to write a. oneman show. I'm going to play all the. parts. I'm going to show people how. great I am." So I started writing and. each week I would perform it at at the. studio at where I was studying and I. would do 10 minutes, 15 minutes, throw. out five minutes, add five more, edit. this, put it that at the end of 10. months I had 90 minutes of this one man. show. I borrowed money off my friend.

a legitimate guy who owned the Limelight. where I used to work in Manhattan. And he lent me money. I I found a a. young producer. I put the money into the. thing. All I had was a chair as a as a. as a set and I did the show. and I got a fiveminute standing ovation. and I was like, "Holy smokes, what the. hell is this?" I knew it was. >> be on to something, >> right? And then I performed it. I got.

more money and I performed it at a. theater for five weeks and the reviews. came out the time at the LA Times. It was like sh it was like these what. they wrote about me was like insane you. know I'm embarrassed what they said. >> never we I've never seen this it's and. all all the people were coming and every. big every every Hollywood producer. director writer filmmaker. studio head Pacino came Nicholson came.

Bert Reynolds came Redford came they all. wanted to play Sunny. >> oh. >> you see that's why they came. >> okay. >> and the studio came because they wanted. the piece so they could use one of them. And so after like two weeks they offered. me $250,000. and that was the first that was the. hardest offer the 250,000 cuz cuz Megan. that came out of nowhere. >> and that's a fortune. >> It was a fortune. Had $200 in the bank. left. >> Oh. >> So 250,000. I was like.

>> I said, "Well, give me" They said, "You. got 24 hours otherwise this won't be. here." I said, "Okay." I hung up. I. called my mother and father. I said, "Mom, dad, I want to help you, but. I I you know, they they don't want they. want to just take it. They don't want me. in." And and my mother, father said, "Son, you do what you want. Don't worry. about us." I said, "Thanks, Mom." And I. hung up and I called them back and I. said, "No, I I have to play Sunny. I. have to write it." They said, "Forget. it." They hung up. So, I went back and.

did the show. Crowds, lines around the. corner, Megan. Finally, two weeks later, they called back. 500,000. >> Oh gosh. >> Now I don't care. >> Really? >> Now it's numbers. >> That was easy. >> The 250 was the hardest. >> Oh, that the 500 sounds hard too though. >> No, the 250 was the hardest. >> This is in LA. This on LA. Okay. >> I said no. I played No. I Now, right. Finally, I I sign up. Uh I William Mars. is attacking me. They want me ICM Oich.

Uh. >> yeah. Yeah. >> Mike at the time. He wanted me. You. know, everybody wants me. I'll tell you. how bad they wanted me, Megan. I'm I'm not talking to him. I'm not This. is great. I'm fascinating. I'll tell. I'll tell you how bad they wanted me. The three agencies were after me. They. wanted me. Right. Finally, I I was. deciding. I would visit each one of. them. Finally, the one in William Morris. said, "Oh, you got an appointment at. two." I said, "Well, I can't be there.". "Why can't you be there at two?" I said, "Well, because I'm I I I have my car.

It's overheating." I said, "I have to. wait till it went down." cuz my car. overheated. Uh, we'll get right back to you. Hangs up. the phone. I said, "What the hell was. that about?" 45 minutes later, knock on. the door. I open up the doors. This. little guy there in a brown uniform. He. goes, "You transpar?" I go, "Yeah." He. goes, "Come with me." I walk down. I go. in the parking lot where all these. broken down cars are. All I'm with all. these actors. And in the middle of the.

parking lot is a 1989. Cadillac El Dorado, black saddle. interior. He says, "Here, William Morris. got this for you. Don't be late.". >> What? I thought you were going to say he. was your driver. >> He gave me the keys. >> He said, "We Morris said this is for. you. Don't be late for the meeting.". I was like, >> "That's incredible.". >> I I called up Lee Cohen and Fred West. I. go, "What? What's going on?" They said,

"Nah, no. We just don't want you to be. late. We leased it for you for two. years.". >> I said I said, "I know, but I didn't. decide if they said, "That's okay. You. go whatever you want.". >> But you went with them. >> I went with them. >> Yeah. Good call. >> And. >> well, so then eventually they upped the. >> I got with them and then they said, "We. have another offer. Come with us." And I. went to this big meeting with this very. famous. >> I could I guess I could say it now. It. was Rob Briner. >> Oh, yeah. >> It was Castle Rock. God rest his soul.

cuz I love. >> God. >> A great great great director. >> And Allan Allen Horn was a great guy. >> Great great organiz. They were offering me a million dollars. They said if you sign this paper, >> but once again not starring you and you. don't get to write it. >> Well, I said. the first thing I said, "Was there a. men's room here?" And he said, "Yes, it's one right over there." said, "All. right, I'll be right on." I went into. the executive man's room. I I looked in.

the mirror and I. washed my hands, put my hands on my. face, and I put my hand in my car, my. pocket, and I took out my father's card. >> For some reason, I took it. I don't know. why. And I looked at that. I went, "Fuck it." I put my hand back in my. pocket. I went out. I said, "Look," I. said, "I'll sign that paper, but I play. Sunny. I write this screenplay." They. said, "Can't do it, Jazz.". >> Why? >> Well, he he he was I mean, I could.

understand what they said. He was very. honored. They couldn't make a a big. movie like at that time it was a 2530. million movie with me as the star. >> Yeah. That's I mean the Sunny Sunny is. the star of the movie. >> Yeah. So, I do understand what they were. saying. >> They wanted a Redford or. >> they wanted. >> Yeah. Pacino Nicholson. Oh, they all. wanted to do it. So, it makes more. sense. I said, 'Well, but I own it. I. wrote it. No. So, I'm walking out and he. said to me, he goes, "What makes you He. goes, you know, this movie will never. get done, Chaz." I said, "You're right.

It won't with you, but it'll get done.". And he he said, "Why?" I said, "Because. it's too damn good." And I left and two. weeks later, I did the show and I got. off and somebody said, "Robert Diro's in. your dressing room." I said, "Robert. Diro's in my dress." They said, "Yeah, I walked downstairs. I walked in the. dressing room and Bob was sitting there. and he said, "Uh,". he said, "Wow." He said, "That's a great. show." He loved the show. And he was.

very smart. He goes, "If you sell it, they're going to come to me anyway. You. know that, right?". >> Right. >> So, I said, "Yeah, I know, but I'm not. selling it, Bob." He said, "I know." He. said, "But I'll tell you what we'll do.". He said, "You should play Sunny. You'll. be great as Sunny, and you should write. it because it'll be honest and. truthful." He goes, "I'll play your. father and I'll direct it and if you. shake my hands, that's the way it'll. be." I shook his hand and that's how the. movie got made. >> That's incredible. Incredible. >> That's the whole story.

>> The film is thought by some to be a mob. movie. >> Yes, it's not. >> But it's not a mob movie. >> It's a family movie. >> It's a family movie and a coming of age. story. >> Yeah. And it's about I think mentorship. and a man uh you know good men and how. they influence. >> younger men to be. >> right. >> and Sunny was a good man with a very. complicated dark street. >> He was a paradox. I mean. >> yeah he wasn't all good but he wasn't. all bad.

>> I mean I'm not saying that Sunny was. this. >> saint. >> saint. >> Yeah. >> Sunny killed people. He did. And maybe he ordered to kill people. I. don't know that for a fact. I can't say. But his crew were some of the baddest. people you ever seen. But Sunny was a. human being. He was funny. Funny as. hell. And and he had a heart. Now, people have. asked me in interviews that I've done.

years later, Megan, and they said, "Why. do you think Sunny did that with you?". And I don't know. >> That he took you under his wing and he. protected you. He didn't take you under. to make you a mobster. >> No, >> he wanted the opposite for you. >> In fact, he told other people, "You stay. away from this kid. >> Kid's a good kid.". >> Used to say, "He's a good kid. Leave him. alone. >> Just don't bother him. He's a good kid.". I think, and maybe it's me romanticizing. again my mind. That he looked at me like.

I was his penance in life. Like, if I'm. ever going to do anything good in this. world, I'm gonna save this kid and make. him something. >> from this neighborhood. from. >> Yes. Because as great as that. neighborhood was, it was a great. neighborhood and many people came out of. that neighborhood. Some of my closest. friends. >> became, you know, uh, big lawyers and. doctors and everything, but some, a lot. didn't. >> ended up the street got to them, you. know. So, but he said, "No, no, I'm.

going to," and some of my friends were. bad guys. Some of them were great guys, but at any moment you could be with one. of the bad guys and be stuck in a. jackpot. Like, I didn't mean to be here, you know? >> So, the scene we referenced earlier is. many people's favorite scene, as you. point out, and it's unforgettable. It it. involves Sunny played by Chaz, >> right? And there's the young kid in it, uh, Collojiro, who goes by C, that's.

your name, >> but he's in the scene as well, and he's. watching how Sunny handles this gang of. bikers who come in, >> and I'll just let the scene play out. Let's let's watch it. >> A toast to our host. >> In the name of the father, the son, and. the whole. look at all. Hey. >> Oh, you again, huh? That wasn't very. nice. Now you got to leave. I'll tell.

you when the we leave. All right, get the away from me. >> Watch the bites, man. >> This. huh? Now you just can't leave. >> I will never forget the look on their. faces.

>> All eight of them. >> Their faces dropped. >> All their courage and strength was. drained right from their bodies. >> They had a reputation for breaking up. bars, but they knew that instant they. made a fatal mistake. This time they. walked into the wrong bar. >> Come on, Come on. goddamn. >> now you just can't leave once they. disrespect his worker. >> him his establishment but he gave him a.

chance first he. >> he gave them a chance. >> stood up for them first then there's a. second iteration where he comes over and. gives him another chance you need to. leave and they won't. >> they won't. >> and then the last resort is violence and. the other mobsters come out and beat the. hell out of them. >> see the logic of the of wise guys is and. people go gee that's so nice. Why is it. that's so nice? The reason why, Megan, they're so nice, cuz I know the. psychology. is I'm going to be so nice to you that. you're going to have to be nice to me.

And if you're not nice to me, after I'm. so nice to you, I am going to be so. violent that it's going to justify my. violence, what you did to me. >> That is their psychology. Can I say like. when you were saying that without the. violence part, it kind of reminds me of. Trump. >> You know, he's usually very nice when he. first meets you, >> right? >> And if if you then do something to him. he thinks is nasty, right? >> And as a reporter, you always do because. there are some negative things you have.

to do, >> right? >> Then he turns and he's like a dog with a. bone, you know, he can't let go of it. It's the same sort of honor code. >> Yes. >> Without killing people, >> right? If I am what what the what the. wise guy think is if I am so good to you. and you betray that trust, then I'm going to be just equally as. violent to you. >> Mhm. >> And that's and that's what happened. there. I mean, don't forget you're. >> I mean, these guys were tough, these. bikers, uh, back then,

>> but they were no match for these guys. These guys were like, you're talking. about guys been in Attica for 10 years, 20 years. What are you going to do to. them? >> No. What do you either stay away or. apologize? >> What are you going to do? You you you. know, Megan, they're not like you and I. We have We have a family. We have. children. We have We have a life. >> Yeah. >> They can't wait to show Sunny that I'm. worth this money you're paying me. They. can't wait. Oh, they live for stuff like.

this. >> You know, they live for that. >> They're not worried at all about the. fight with the biker gang. Oh, this is. like this is as they would say a. butterflies belch, you know. It's like. it's like nothing. >> Well, so I want I want to point out that. you've now renewed the one-man show. version of A Bronx Tale and I couldn't. figure out how that would look because. I'd never seen you do that. >> I'm going to I pulled a clip. >> Yes. >> Wait, what were you going to say?

>> I'm going to say that I still do it. I. do it all over. >> Yes. And that I should come cuz I I. would love you and your husband and your. children. >> All of us. >> Yes. Because. >> my kids love to Bronx. >> How old are they? >> Now they're 17, 15, and 13. >> Oh, I mean that's perfect ages. >> Yeah. >> To see this because it's really. it's just something that people should. see. People. >> So many good lessons in it. >> People bring their kids. >> Yeah. No, we they've seen the movie so. that I would love to bring them to the. oneman show, but we did I did find you.

doing it on YouTube. Yeah. and told my. team to cut a bit of this so people can. see how it looks as the oneman version. Let's watch. >> Give me those dice. Give me those dice. Come on, baby. You can do it. Let's put. some money down. We put some real money. Real money. Jojo. Jojo, you're breathing. all over me. You want to back up, Jojo? Back up. Come on. Back up. Just back up. over there. Come on, kid. We're going to. do it. Put some money down, baby. Give. me a seven. GIVE ME NO. HEY. NO GOOD. EDDIE MUSH. No good. I don't want your. money touching my money. Eddie Mush, I.

don't want your money in the same. neighborhood as my money. Jimmy, come here. Get Eddie Mush. Lock him in the. bathroom. What? I don't give a He don't want. to go. Put him in. I'm on a win street. case. He's killing me. He'll kill me. He's a scam. He's killing me. Get him. out of here. I don't want him my money. Near my money. Come on, baby. You can do. it. Give me a seven, baby. Give me. seven. Okay, son. Okay. Seven. Look at this kid. to see your.

winner. Pass those dice down. Pass them. down. Come on, baby. Let's put some more. money down. >> Ah, I love that scene is in the movie. >> and it's Sunny getting to meet C, >> right, >> for the first time. Who is rolling the. right dice? >> I do the whole movie like the whole. movie by myself. >> That's incredible. >> Yeah, I I. >> So, do how do you do that? Cuz like how. do you interact? How do the characters? I got to see it. >> You have to see it. For many people, starting a fitness routine, going to the. gym without a clear goal or structure.

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lead role of a John Cusack, who's kind. of the Woody Allen character, uh, play, >> but she's terrible. But the mobster is. going to fund the movie. So John Cusack, unlike you, Chaz, did not hold to his. principles. He takes the money. He casts. the terrible mob girlfriend as the lead. and. >> or one of the lead characters and then. the mobster wants you, the bodyguard, >> to watch her. >> to watch her and make sure you know. everything's okay. >> And the the it's just the funniest twist.

ever. I'm not giving anything away. really, but the mobster. >> loves the theater and doesn't appreciate. this girlfriend's acting at all. >> At all. Right. He realizes it's so close. to me. See what he said. >> You were born to play this chess. He. goes, "You're this guy who's grew up in. the streets.". >> You know what the word he used? Whatever. This genius playright who.

doesn't realize he's a writer, you know. So, and he just says, "Ah, no, say this, say that." And it was, >> and Kusak looks at him, you know, and he. says, "How could you?" He never let. anybody adlib, but he let you adlib. >> He let me adlib. Well, he let me he let. a few people out. Me and uh Jennifer and. a couple other he would only let a few. people adlib. >> Okay. >> But he knew that I knew the millure. So. he said, "Go, go, go.". >> So it's such a clever premise that this. tough mobster is sitting there annoyed. with the character played by Jennifer.

Tilly because she was terrible, right? >> And he's he's like, "She's ruining the. play." I like I And then let's just say. he he realizes he has to do something. about it. But wait, we've got a clip. Let's watch it. >> I'm not making a fool of myself. >> All right. It stinks. >> Oh Jesus. Another party heard from. Look, it's a stupid way of talking and. nobody talks like THAT. I DON'T I DON'T. BELIEVE this is happening. >> Is right. >> When I want your opinion, I will ask for. it. >> Listen, I can't stand to listen to this. garbage. Every day I sit back there and.

I hear the same over and over. again. Then leave because no one asked. you here. >> Oh, David. Please take it easy. >> Where did you Where did you study. playwriting? Was it singing? >> Amaze beset by brutal pitfalls. Hey, Olive. I memorized it and I'm telling. you, it comes to me all the time and it. stinks on hot ice. >> That's it. I quit. I quit. I'm talking. I have a little hangover. >> Okay. Wait, then there's another one we. have cut. By the way, Diane Wuest was. one of the gems of that movie. >> Yeah, she won the Academy Award for.

that. >> She did. Did she win? I forgot. >> She won. Yeah. And we all. >> don't speak. Don't speak. >> Don't speak. >> Don't speak. And I'll tell you something. funny about that movie. We all got n we. all I got nominated. So did Jennifer. It. got about 10 nominations the movie. And. uh for the whole movie Diane keeps. going, "Don't speak. Don't speak." And I. said, I go, "Diane, I love that line. It's so funny." I said, "I'm going to. say that." She goes, "How could you say. it?" She goes, "You're you're a totally. different character. You can't say that. line." I go, "I'll find a spot. I'm.

going to say that line. And if you. remember the movie When I Die at the. very end, I I go I I say the ending. I. go say, uh, Cilia Poston was pregnant. It'll make a great ending. And I die. And Woody went cut. Oh, we got. everybody's applauding. That's a wrap. I. go, "No, no, no. Woody, let me do one. more." And he goes, "No, no, Chaz. We. have it. We I go, just one more, please, Woody. For me, one more." He goes, "All. right, set it up again. Do it again.". Right? So, we do it again. And I lay.

down and I go, "John Cusack's over me. and I go, tell Sylvia Postman she's. pregnant. It'll make a great ending.". And John's just about to open his mouth. I go, "Don't speak.". >> I did not remember that. >> Don't speak. And then I died. >> And he kept it. >> And he went cut. The whole place is. hysterical laughing. And Woody comes. over. He goes, "You. >> left it in." She's so she's this overly. dramatic thesbian and she's she's she's.

having having like an affair with John. Don't speak don't speak. Uh my husband. and I say that to each other all the. time. Ingest. Here's another scene. between you and Jennifer Tilly, also. known as Olive in the flick. >> We can alone. >> Can't you see you're living out the. exact same pattern your mother lived out. with your father? I am. pray tell. >> in some way you're trying to relive it. and in the process of reliving it.

correct it as if that were possible. Ha. >> Don't say ha. >> Oh, don't say hi. Added that. >> What do you mean you added that? Are you. allowed? >> I added it. We're allowed to add things. >> How could you just add something? >> YOU'RE ALLOWED TO ADD THINGS. IT'S. CALLED ADD LIVING. >> You can't do that. >> I can do that. What do you know? You. don't know nothing. Shut up and read. I. think the whole thing stinks. >> I THINK YOU'RE A DEGENERATE ZOMBIE. SHUT. UP AND READ. SHUT UP. YOU SHUT UP AND. READ. >> JUST SHUT UP. >> YOU SHUT UP.

>> You had to be dying laughing at the end. of the scene. >> That was all Adam. That one. >> Really? >> Yeah. That I think I'm pretty sure that. scene was all. >> That's incredible. And so when you. auditioned for Woody Allen for this film. though, he was not telegraphing that he. thought you were a genius. >> Absolutely not. No, I I I just went in. there and I auditioned and. he just said, "Uh, thank you." That was. it. >> So, you must have thought. >> So, I walked out. I went, "Well, that. didn't go too well.". >> Yeah. >> You know, and then they called me back.

and he said, "Uh, they want to see you. again." I said, "Oh, great." And when. you walk in, you don't even see him. He's all the way in the corner with a. little light on him and you're in this. big dark room. And and I read and he. went, "Thank you.". >> The second time. >> Second time. Same thing. >> Same thing. I left. and uh I called my agent. He said, "Woody loves you. You got the part.". >> I was like, "Wow." Okay. >> Yeah. Were you stunned? >> Yeah. I was like, "Wow." Great.

>> What was he like as a director? >> Great director. Great director. Great. writer. I mean, look, he wrote a great. script. Him and Doug McGrath wrote a. great script. And I used to love to say. what he wrote, but once in a while he. would say, "Nah, nah, say what you want. once in a while," you know. So, I said, "All right." I said, "But let me do what. you wrote first and then I'll play. around, >> see how it goes.". >> Because he wrote a great script, >> you know, and he was a great director. He did one thing to me where I went. >> There's a there's a line I have when. John C I I say to uh.

uh Kusak says to me, "You burn your. school down." And I said, "Ah, it was. Lincoln's birthday." You know, there was. nobody there, you know. So when I said. the line, I went, "It was Lincoln's. birthday. There was nobody there. What? He stops and he comes now. He never. talks to you while you He He very rarely. ever says anything. >> And he goes, "Chaz, why are you pausing. for?". >> I said, "It's such a great line. It's a. great joke." I said, "I love the joke,

you know." He goes, "No, no, it's. funnier if you don't pause." And I went, "Okay." And I did the line again. I. said, "It was like his birthday. There. was nobody there." He was right. >> Wow. He was the stand-up comedian for. years. >> Very smart. >> People didn't realize that about what he. I mean, he's still alive, but I. shouldn't speak. >> Very, very smart. >> But he that's how he got his start as a. stand-up comic. >> Knows comedy. >> The timing. >> Timing. >> Mhm. >> Really really very genius. Genius smart. Like genius smart. Well, so what what.

were the differences would you say when. you think of like the way Dairo directed. you in your own film that came from your. heart and your life and the way Woody. Allen directed you in a film that he. wrote? >> Well, Woody doesn't talk to you at all. except for something like that. In fact, they say if Woody talks to you and. continues to talk to you, you're going. to be fired. >> You're going to get replaced. >> Wow. >> Oh, yeah. So, you don't want him to talk. to. >> So, he hires actors he trusts. >> He trusts. Okay. Exactly. He hires.

actors he trusts. Lets them go. Go do. what you got to do. >> Okay. >> Where Bob is different. Bob hires actors. he trusts. But Bob, like Woody, likes to. hire real people. In Bronx Teal, me, Bob, and Joe Peshia are the only actors. in the movie. >> Wow. >> Everybody else is from the street. >> The kid who plays C, the young version. of you, is so authentic. >> So all of them. >> Yeah, >> they're all. >> But things didn't wind up that great for. him. He's had some trouble with the law. >> He had some trouble with the law. He. went away for 10 years which and now I.

hear that he's on recovery and he's. doing great and he's he's helping other. people which is fantastic. >> That's good. Do you ever keep in touch. with like the young actors from that. film? >> Some of the young actors I do. I mean. the sad the thing about Megan that's so. ironic. This kid was in the. quintessential movie about not wasting. your life and that's exactly what he. did. >> Yeah. Well, you know the of course the. truth is Hollywood for young people. >> bad. >> It's bad.

>> Me and Bob even talked about it when he. was 16 and he made that movie. We said, "Bob, I hope we didn't, you know, curse. this kid, you know.". >> Well, I don't think it's your. responsibility. It's the the family, you. know, the parents. >> You know, we were just talking about. this this week in the death of Hayden. Penantier and then now we had the death. of Presley Gerber. He was in modeling. But these are very toxic industries. music too. Very toxic, very damaging and. very bad people in in some pockets of. those industries. Yes.

>> From whom you'd want to protect. You're. a dad. Protect your children. >> Absolutely. >> You know, I don't know. Would you ever. put your one of your children in child. acting? >> They both are. Childing not child. acting. >> Yeah. No, that's a different kettle of. fish. >> No. My No, not child. My son is uh 30. and he's an actor and and a singer. songwriter. My son Dante and my daughter. got But they both had to go to college. and both had to go to good colleges and. graduate. My son went to Berkeley and my. uh my daughter went to uh University of. Michigan and a theater degree and she's.

been you know she's done three movies. she's been on stage. So you got to be I. said you got to do that but it's hard. for them because when your when your. parent is famous it's difficult. >> now it it's like if your child wanted to. be a newscaster. >> I'm I'm sure they could be talented but. they they're always like oh you're. Megan's daughter you're Chaz's son. >> it's always you have to they have to. deal with that you know which is always. >> but they'll find their way they'll find.

their way. >> something to live up to I mean that's. why Nicholas Cage changed his name, right? Cuz he was a. >> copala. Yeah. But look, nobody's going. to hire my child because I said so. They're just not. >> Yeah. >> Could I open a door? Yes. >> Mhm. >> Could I say, "Hey, see my son for this. movie?" Yes. But they're not going to. hire him if he's not good. >> No. If he stinks, forget it. >> In fact, they have to be better. >> Yeah. >> Cuz already when they're walking in, they're like, "Oh, it's his kid. Let's.

>> What have I gotten saddled with? >> What I got to watch this out?" So, they. have to be even better than everybody. >> I mean, Tom Cruz has a son who's making. it. Not Cruz, uh, Hanks. >> Yes. >> On his own. >> A lot of them do. >> Um, Matthew McConna, he's got a boy. He. was on our show this year and his kid is. doing well. >> Yes. >> You know, it can happen. People can get. past it. >> You can get But you have to get past it. in your own head. >> Yeah. >> You see, that's the problem. >> Yeah. >> In your own head, you got to get past. it. I don't I mean I would definitely. not want to want one of my kids to to be.

in one of those industries when they're. in, you know, before the age of 18. Like. just. >> I agree. I agree with you. They need to. cook. I agree with you. >> Need a cook as a normal human being. >> Nobody should be a star before the age. of 30. >> Yeah. >> Nobody. >> I mean, were you surprised when you got. to Hollywood of what it was like as like. a normal person from the Bronx? >> Yeah. because I I I knew I knew what. helped me Megan navigate through that. whole thing with Bronx Taylor is first. of all I was 38 39 when I finally hit.

it. So I was you know I was a seasoned. guy grew up in the street. I was very. you know I was smart you know nobody was. going to pull nothing on me you know. don't give me this you know trust me I. with the eyes. No. >> the Hollywood promise. >> The Hollywood promise. I I didn't go for. >> they were messing with the wrong person. >> They were messing with the wrong guy. I. met with a very big director and he said. he but this is before Dairo he says I. want to do uh and he's a great guy and a. very famous director and he said I want.

to do Bronxdale. Uh so I met with him and and before I. met with him I looked him up on the. internet and I saw what school he went. to because I like to know people before. I meet with them you know what they're. about you know. >> and I and I trust my eyes cuz I got. X-ray eyes. I could read people. So, I. sat down with him. We talked. He told me. how much he loved it. He saw it and he. wanted to make the movie. And I said, "Oh." He says, "But I can't make it with. you." I I'm sorry. I have to use a star, you know. And I went I said, "Oh, yeah.".

I said, "You went to the You went to. NYU, right? Did you go to NYU?" And he. goes, "Yeah." I said, "Oh, yeah. And you. came out here about eight years ago. after you left college?" Went, "Yeah." I. said, ' And you did this movie and it. became a very big success and that's how. you got so big and you have this. incredible office here. He said, 'Yes.'. I said, 'Well, answer me this. Am I am I. allowed the same break that you got? Am.

I any different than you? And he just stared at me. >> Mhm. >> And he said, uh, you're right. >> Good for you. >> He said, I apologize. He goes, >> he says, but I still can't make the. movie. And I said, "That's all right. >> I'll make it without you." All right, stand by. Got to take a break. We'll do. more on the back and don't go anywhere. Uh Chaz Palary, what a great guest. Much. more to go over. Don't leave. >> Everyone's talking about weight loss. injections because the results can be so. dramatic. They work by lowering blood.

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It's on. >> It's out Mondays once a week. >> It's on Mondays at 11 o'clock. >> Okay. Yeah. >> What do you talk about? Uh, I have I'm a. very I I like eclectic guests. I have uh. Tony winners, you know, Grammy winners, Alan Min, Billy Joel. >> Wow. >> I had I had basketball players. I had. Shaq on. >> Oh, wow. >> I had box. >> I don't think I could fit Shaq in this. studio. >> You couldn't come in that door. And I. have Shaq on. And Shaq is a great human. being. Great guy. Larry Holmes, fighters. And then I have neighborhood.

guys just like regular neighborhood. guys. Like the old neighborhood, >> the old neighborhood guys like Bedford. >> My friend Squiggy. No. No. My friend. Squiggy and Sandy Blue Eyes and all. these people. Yeah. >> Squiggy and Sandy Blue. No. You hang out. with Hillary at all in upstate. >> No, I don't. They live near me. Not too. far, but I No, I don't. >> No, you never hang out. >> I never hang out with Hillary. No. >> That would be an interesting dinner I'd. love to zoom in on. >> Yeah. >> Well, we were talking during the break. and I was asking you whether you're.

still friends with Robert Dairo and you. said yes. You guys never talk politics? >> No. No, I don't talk politics with Bob. >> This is This is good for friendships. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm my own. person. Some things I do agree with Bob. Some things that, you know, I have my. own views on. But I never talk politics. about that ever. >> Even before he became so vocal about. Trump, you and he didn't talk politics. >> No, never. I never did. >> Just don't be your base your friendship. on that. >> No, not at all. And I never talk about. my friends. People could ask me uh about.

Bob as an artist and I'd be more than. happy to tell you what a great artist he. is. But when it comes to personal lives, I never talk about Bob's personal life. or anybody's personal life. I just don't. do it. >> Why would you to your friends? >> They're my friends. That's nobody's. business what they do. >> But I like that. I mean, I I. Adam Corolla is a dear friend of mine. and you know, one of his best friends is. Jimmy Kimmel, who I don't like at all. Right. But I respect that these two guys. love each other. Yeah. And they don't.

make politics the stakes of their. relationship. I have a lot of. relationships like that in my life, too. You know, where I don't I couldn't care. less what their politics are. My. friends, it's like I love them for a. bunch of other things. >> You're my friend. I love you. >> That's it. >> That's it, man. You're my friend. I love. you. >> Yes. I love that. So, why do you say. Shaq is a great guy? What's he like? >> Because he's a very giving person. And. he he walks around with this big heart. and he if if there's kids in trouble or. kids need something, he doesn't donate. to a charity. He goes, "What do you.

need? You need a playground? Get them a. playground. Who could you call?" You. know what I mean? >> Yes. >> Oh, you need this. Go to the store. Pick. this up for these kids. You know, he's. like right there. >> That's so sweet. >> Yeah. And he's from the heart. He's a. really good man. I like Shaq a great. deal. In fact, I'm doing he's in this TV. series. I Well, I'm in two TV series. Godfather of Harlem with Forest Whitaker. and I'm in Graves End and Shaq is in it. William Deo is the uh the writer and.

creator of it. So, and it's coming out. now on Amazon Prime. So, but he's just a. great guy. I mean, >> wow. >> He knows who he is. Megan, people who. don't know who they are, they're not. nice people. They have to show you who. they are. >> Yeah. Right. >> If you're really somebody where you're. you're you're safe in your own skin, you're a great guy. You know, I don't. have to like make believe. >> Well, I was asking you about Jennifer. Tilly, who we just saw in the Bullets.

Over Broadway um scene where, you know, she was the terrible actress or so she. purported to be when she played Olive. But I I my my children who have not yet. seen Bullets Over Broadway have seen you. and Jennifer together because we are big. modern family fans. We pulled a little. bit of that. A scene of the two of you. who came in as friends of Jay and Gloria. played by Ed O'Neal and Sophia Vergera. Here's a bit of that. >> I sense that you got a secret that's.

maybe causing you a lot of anguish. You heard something, right? Well, I had. the same situation with my son, Mitchell. >> Really? Yeah. And I didn't handle it too. well either. And uh. I just want you to know that you can. open up to me that I'm going to do all I. can to help you. >> Well, I mean, I. I never said this out loud before to. anyone. Uh but I guess if I did, it. would be you.

It's just that Jay, you see, I'm um. um. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. I'm in debt. Huh? I owe a bookie 20 G's and he's a. serious guy. And you offering to give me. the dough? This is beautiful. Wait a. minute. You're not gay. >> Gay? What are you talking about gay? I'm. not gay. Where did you get gay? >> Come on. I mean, you're always talking. about clothes and everything, right? >> My father was a tailor. I like clothes.

So what? >> So funny. That's funny. >> How much did you enjoy being on that. show? >> I I love working on that show. There was. everybody's so great in it and Steve uh. the creator is a genius to comedy and uh. I love doing the show and Ed is a friend. of mine and just so funny. And Jennifer. played your wife. >> And Jennifer played my wife. And. >> I mean, everybody on that show is great. >> Everybody, there's no weak link.

>> There's no weak link on that show. Everybody's great. Great. >> We love that series. >> And you know what's funny? I have a. whole new thing of fans that young kids. that see me on that show that come to. see me. >> Well, it's funny because when I was. telling the kids you were coming, I'm. like, "It's Chaz Pal and Jerry." And. they said, "From a Bronx Tale." And I. said, "Yes." And I said, "And also. Modern Family.". >> And they're like, "Yeah, yeah, Modern. Family, of course." That's great. That. must have been so fun because that show. is iconic. >> Yes. >> And I while we're doing the acting. career, I got to mention probably the. biggest movie you were ever in. Is Was.

it the biggest? The Usual Suspects. >> Yeah, pretty much. One of the biggest. Yeah. >> I mean, that film was just talk about a. hit. It was one of those movies. >> everybody talked about. It was like. nobody could stop talking about the. ending, the mystery of it, and so on. And if you haven't seen it, I won't ruin. it, but there's a there's a real. question about who is this bad guy, Kaiser So, right? >> And you play the cop. >> I play a cop. Uh, yeah. Agent Kuhan. who's searching for him.

>> Yes. And so here's a bit of that. Uh, this is from the usual suspects 51. >> What do you think he would say if he. found out you dropped his name to the. DA? >> There's nothing in there about Ruby. >> I'll be sure to mention that to him. First thing on the job, you know what I. learned? How to spot a murderer. Let's. say you arrest three guys for the same. killing. You put them all in jail. overnight. The next morning, whoever's. sleeping is your man. You see, if you're. guilty, you know you're caught. You get. some rest. You let your guard down. You. follow me? >> No.

>> Let me get right to the point. I'm smarter than you. And I'm going to. find out what I want to know. And I'm. going to get it from you whether you. like it or not. >> I'm not a rat. So good. >> You've worked with some great Kevin. Spacy too was he crushed it in that. film. >> He crushed it. I always laugh. Him and I. always laugh because I said, "Kevin, I. don't understand something. I've had I. had 10 pages of dialogue, 10 monologues. I go and I go all through this thing and.

then you look at me, you go, I'm not a. rat." And you win the Academy Award. I. said, "Explain this to me. How did this. happen? You just look at me and go, I'm. not a rat. That's it. I got I got ripped. off. >> The key is you must play the invalid. That's the key. >> The invalid. >> You don't want to be the one wheeling. the wheelchair. You want to be the one. in the wheelchair. >> Oh, yeah. Like a a limp or a lisp or. something. You're always too tough. >> You got to be the one in the wheelchair. >> Like in that modern family scene, you.

should have been the gay guy. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Damn. Opportunity miss. >> Opportunity miss. >> When you watch now, so far, I guess I. should point out we've talked about you. working with Woody Allen. We've talked. about you working with Kevin Spacy. Both. these guys have been like. >> painted as these terrible dudes who have. allegedly done terrible things. I've. told my audience repeately I don't. believe that Woody Allen molested his. daughter at all. I've completely I've. done very deep dives on that case as a. lawyer just because I love his films and. I wanted to know whether he did this and.

I don't believe one word of it. >> Um. >> Kevin Spacy has slowly but surely been. exonerated on the most serious charges. against him too. So, what has it been. like for you to watch guys that you. presumably care about go through this? >> Yeah. >> You know, >> well, I you know, it's I I I feel for. Kevin, especially Kevin and Woody, you. know, I mean, I I don't know anything. about the case. And from what I know, people who know Woody very well said, "No, that's not true." And so I I don't.

really know. >> Did anyone ever try to make you There. was a while there where they were trying. to make other actors or actors who'd. been in, for example, Woody's films. condemn him, disavow. >> Yeah, they people I said I don't talk. about that. >> Good for you. >> I won't talk about somebody's personal. life. Megan. >> Sunny would be ashamed of you if you. did. >> That's a rat. >> Don't you think. >> it's a rat? You can't rat on somebody. You don't. >> You just You just don't do that. You. don't do that. >> There's loyalty to friends. >> Yeah. There there's Look, there's. sometimes, you know, you just you just.

got to keep your mouth shut. I mean, wise guys would get shot at. >> Mhm. >> And you when Costello got shot by. Giganti, he saw him and in court they. put Gigante up in front. They said, "Is. this the man?" And he went, "No.". >> Yeah. >> He said, "No, that's not him.". >> There's a code. >> You just don't do it. >> The um Oh gosh, we had Sammy the Bull on. the show one time. Yeah. >> And um Sammy the the bull gravano and. there's this guy who lives across the.

street from me at the at the shore and. he never says much to me. I know he. listens to the show as often as he can. He never really like comes over for a. review, but after I had on Sammy the. Bull, he comes out. This is a big. Italian guy, the bald head, very tan. He. goes, >> "The guy's a rat. >> He's a rat. >> He's a rat. did not appreciate his. appearance on the MK show. He was. fascinating, but there is a code and if. you violate it, you are instantly.

otherized. >> Is a rat. >> Yeah. >> He's not been on the Chaz Pulmonary. >> No, no, >> that's not happening. >> No. No. Um. but but it goes to show you how how. ridiculous it is. He he got off and what. does he do? Gets right back in it again, then goes away for 15 years. M. >> I mean, >> well, you're a braver man person than I. am to criticize Sammy the Bull. I'm not. saying a word. >> No, but I'm just saying. I mean, you you. got off. Go away. Keep your mouth shut.

and go away. You know, you get in. trouble again. I mean, >> well, what about what about you now? So, you you're still with the same woman. that you married. >> Yes. >> And she was in a Bronx. Yes. >> She had a role. She played Sunny's. >> the girlfriend. >> Girlfriend. Yeah. >> Yeah. And I met I knew her before Bronx. A year before. Yeah. So, but you you're. an anomaly in the entertainment business. and in life. Yeah. >> If you married the same woman in what, 1992, and you've stayed with her since. >> Yeah, we've been together 35 years. >> Wow. Yeah. >> How'd you manage that in such a.

competitive industry where I'm sure. you've had a lot of ladies who are very. interested in you, especially as you. made a bunch of money? >> Well, I had a lot of ladies before that. >> Oh. Oh, okay. >> You know what I mean? So, I I had my. I had my thing, you know. Um, >> sewed your oats. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's like you put it, you got to. weigh it, Megan. You got to go for five. for for 20 minutes of this or for a. lifetime of this. What am I doing here? And it's still hard. I mean, I'm still a. work in progress. And me and my wife do,

we still battle sometimes. Sure we do. But, you know, I I always laugh. I go. people, what's people say, "What's the. secret?" I go, "Well, we never wanted to. get a divorce at the same time.". >> Yeah. >> You know, we always just said, "You work. it out. you're going to have the same. problems with someone else. Different, >> but problems, >> you know, and especially if you have. children, >> there's got to be I just think you got. to be a little You can't be so selfish.

with your life, you know. >> Where were you living when you raised. the kids? >> I raised them first. I had a farm out in. uh I lived in the city and I had a farm. out like a farm in uh Colts neck, New. York. I lived right next to Bruce. Springsteen. Oh. >> yeah. >> Speaking of politics, and people have. lost their mind. >> Bruce all the time back then. >> Oh, really? >> Oh, yeah. >> But so you raised him not in Hollywood. >> No. >> No. And then I No, never. And then I. moved to uh we were lived in the city. for a while. And then 911,

a year before 911 happened, we I was. buying this beautiful apartment across. the street from the World Trade Center, right on the same block, >> 73 Murray Street. And uh I was buying. the whole floor and uh it was a. beautiful apartment and the last minute. I'm very psychic. Very oh extremely. >> and I look up and I'm looking at the. World Trade Center and I turn to my wife. and I say. >> this thing is giving me a darkness. >> Oh no.

>> If this this thing ever falls it'll kill. us. She goes fall. She goes are you. stupid? What are you saying? I said they. try to bomb it in 93. Maybe it'll try. again one day. And I talk her out of it. And then we bought all all this land up. in Bedford and we built a big house. A. year later it fell. And that build in. that place gone. >> Oh my. Really? >> Yep. Couldn't live there for like five. years. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. >> What else have you predicted? >> Things with people. >> Yeah. >> What? You just get a sense when you're.

with them. >> I don't predict things with people. I. talk about who they are, but I don't I. don't go into the future with them. We. just we just watched an old 80s film, The Dead Zone, starring Christopher. Walkin. Yeah. >> Where he has a he gets into a car. accident and he has a brain injury and. now if he touches your hand, he can see. your future. >> Yeah. >> And it's always bad. It's terrible. Like, is this a curse or is this a gift. this thing you have? Well, I I work on it, but but I I'll.

meet people I'll go give me but I can. only do it if somebody gives me a piece. of jewelry or really something they held. something they wore for a long time like. a ring watch and then sometimes I get. nothing. There was a guy on a set once. he said this to me. He said I was doing. Michael Lerna and I got him really. pretty good and the guy says I don't. believe it's all I don't. believe in that. I said, "Well, you. know, it's all right." And was everybody. was dec. And he tried to tried to come. off as this like whatever. He goes,

"Here, here's my ring. I never took it. off in 30 years. Do me." And he puts it. in my hand. So I said, "All right." So I sit there. and all of a sudden pictures just start. flowing in my head, right? So I said, "Do you grew up on a farm?" And he goes, "Yeah, all right. Good guess. Go ahead.". And I went, "It's a big farm. A lot of. acres on this farm." He goes, "Yeah, yeah, it's a farm." You know, he's. trying to be a wise ass. I go I go, >> "There was a dirt gra there was a gravel.

road behind your house. It was wide.". And he went, "Yeah." I said, "On that. gravel road, you were like 10, 11 years old. You got. hurt. You got hurt bad.". And he goes, "Yeah.". I said, "A a white. a white car picked you up?" And he went, "Yeah, my uncle's white Chevy picked me. up." And I went, "The letter J. Letter.

J." He goes, "Yeah, my uncle Jim, give. me my ring." And he got scared and he. took his ring back. >> No way. >> Yeah. >> What? >> My hand to God. >> You didn't know any of that before? >> Nothing. >> Got that off of his ring. >> Off his ring. Now it does. Sometimes. I'll I'll take it from somebody and. nothing happens. >> Well, do you ever take it from somebody. and you get something bad like a. foreshadowing? >> No. >> Like that would be awkward. >> No. No. I never get Cuz I'm not thinking.

of the future with them. I'm thinking of. >> something from their past. >> Their past about who they are. >> That's crazy. I don't think I'd like. that. I don't I wouldn't want it. >> Yeah. And I know and people get spooked. Now I don't know how that happened. I. I'm a Christian. I mean I'm I'm. Catholic. I don't believe in that, but. it's just something. But it's happened. >> because I had a friend who was a very. world famous psychic. and he was, you know, he got paid tons. of money and he said, you know, you. should do this more often cuz you you. could be good at it.

>> Oh my goodness. >> So, and I and I said, "You should work. on it, Chaz. You told me that many years. ago." So, when I I meet people, I go, "Yeah, give me a ring." And then. sometimes nothing. Zero. >> And then sometimes something happens. So, I don't know. Oh, I I'm I'm not. going to give you my ring. >> No, no, no, no. I don't want to do that. anymore. No, no. >> Because what if you say something that's. not true? Then I don't want to put you. on the spot. Then then it's. >> Oh, no. I don't care. I go, look, >> what if it's wrong? >> I've hit people that it's wrong and they. go, "No, no, no. Wrong, wrong, wrong.". And I go, "Okay.".

>> And I gave it a shot. >> I gave it a shot. I go, "Well, fine.". >> So, what do you think of what's. happening with the movie industry today? Because it's so different now. Yeah, I. think Hollywood seems like it's emptying. out, filling it up with AI companies. >> Yeah, I but I think it's good because I. I think uh we're in control now. I can. make the movies I want to make. >> And look, I reach. you. You you you're more than I am, but. I I can reach four or five million.

people a week a month. You know, some of. my videos went, you know, 10 million. some, you know, who knows? So, I could. long if I have content, I could get it. out there. >> You know, the the paradigm has changed. You don't have the power no more. >> It's not the big movie studios making. all the calls. >> And I don't even have to go on advert. I. don't have to pay money for advertising, Megan. As a comedian, you used to have. to get on the Tonight Show. >> Yeah. >> Right. I got a big audience in the.

Tonight Show now. >> You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. >> So, it's like, hey, I'm okay with all. this. the democratization of Hollywood. You like it? >> Yeah, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with. it. >> You don't have to still deal with all. like the, you know, alleged slime bags. who make dirty deals and aren't good. >> Look, there's always are there are there. people out there that make bad deals. when there's a lot of money involved? Yes, there's always people like that, Megan. >> Everybody's your friend. No matter what. business, no matter show business, this.

business, you become partners with. somebody else in some airplane business. When the big money comes, now we see who. the real friends are. >> Mhm. >> Now we see. >> But don't you hate that? Like I maybe. I'm still naive. I don't know. I just. feel like now after 20 plus years in the. news business and another 10 in the law, I still have a sense of optimism and. then I still get burned. You know, I I. wish I were a little street more street.

smart. >> Yes. But I I've been burned, too. >> But like, how does it how can you. continue. um meeting people and using discernment? I feel like I can relate to my dog. Strudwick sometimes where I'm just. running over appreciating this person. and forgetting everything I've learned. about humankind. >> Yes. You have I'm a See, I'm both. I'm. I'm like this paradox. I'm I'm I'm a. Catholic. But I also am a student of Machaveli. I.

read Mchaveli all the time and there's a. lot of truth in Mchaveli. If you. remember Bronx Tale, I took a lot of. Machaveli and put it into the movie. Is. it better to be loved or feared? >> Yeah. Right. Right. >> You know, you know what way? People. people will always. in the end if it's them or you they'll. go self-preservation. M. >> they will and I understand that I do. >> There are people there are very few.

people that are go hurt me but don't. hurt him. >> Very few people because they'll make. things up in their head to justify what. they've done. See that's the difference. People will make things up. Well, she. was not good to me in the partnership. She should have been there more. That's. why I took the extra money. You know, they'll they'll justify, you know. Yep. >> But I'm like you. Having a good friend. is like being is like falling in love. The only way you could fall in love is.

to be vulnerable. You cannot fall in. love unless you're vulnerable. >> You cannot. >> You have to say, "Okay, here's my heart. You could hurt me, but it's the only way. I I could do this." And it's like a. friend. You say, "I I love you as a. friend. Let's go partners. Don't hurt me. I just hope you don't. hurt me. >> You have to do it. Otherwise, you become. jaded and you you end up like them, which I don't want to be like them. >> That's so true. That's so well said. I.

know. It's very sad because well, >> I'm sure you've been hurt by people. >> Well, who betrayed you. >> It's f I'm thinking of my assistant. Abby, who I love. She hasn't done. anything wrong at all, but she's been. with me for 17 years, and she's about to. have her third child, and she's leaving. me because there's someone who needs her. more than I do. And I get it, but I'm so. sad. It's what you just said. I love. her. >> My god, I can't believe this. >> And so I'm so sad because I don't want. her to leave me. >> I had a I had a a young lady who worked.

for me and I can say her name. She was. my one of the great assistants I ever. had, Maria Orgo. Great. And she was with. me for a long time. Traveled all over. the world, made me all my movies. And. one day I walk into the office. I had my. office in the city at time. She's. crying, crying. I said, "What happened?". She goes, "Oh my god." I said, "Just. tell me what happened." She goes, "I got. offered this job and they offered me. incredible job three times more than you.

and I don't want to leave you." And I. looked at her. I said, "You don't want. to leave me. You're leaving me. >> What are you crazy? You have to take. this job. >> You must take this job." And she goes, "But I don't want." And I hugged her and. I said, "You're taking this job. Don't you dare. I said this is a move. move where you want to get into this. fashion thing and do this. >> and I it you know it hurt me that she. left. >> but. >> but I loved her.

>> just like you loved you know her. >> I know. >> sometimes they have to grow. >> They have to grow without without you. >> Yeah. But sometimes they outgrow us. >> They outgrow us and and sometimes you. just got to go. >> it's okay. I know. >> cuz in the end. >> Abby don't leave me. >> because in the end. what's it all mean? >> I know. No, it's true. Like I'm when I. think about it from her perspective, I. know it's the right move and I. completely get the logic and I, you.

know, of course want nothing but good. things for her, but when I think about. it for me, I'm just so sad. It's there's. so few people who have been with you. >> that long and so intimately in your. life. >> Yes. And it's such a wonderful thing to. count somebody like that, a friend who's. with you every day, who's been through. all the highs and lows. It's like, you. know, it's almost like a spouse, you. know, who's just been through everything. with you, >> right? But some people are meant to take. the bus ride with you, but they're not. meant to go all the way to the end of. the line. >> They, you know, they learned what they. did and they got off and you'll always.

>> not off in Connecticut. >> You'll always be friends with her the. rest of her life and your life. Yeah. >> But see, this is this is where this is. that moment. This is that critical. moment in people's lives where you could. be who the hell are you? 17 years. I. gave you this. I gave you your start. You were nobody. I mean, that's how. certain people would go. >> No, that's ne hasn't been what happens. >> Yeah. You see what I'm saying? But. certain people would do that. >> She and I have both been in tears about. it ever since you decided to. >> That's the way me and her. You know. what? Me and her, that other woman, me.

and Maria were just as close. And now I. have a great assistant, my assistant. Stacy. She's been with me 20 years and. she's the best. >> Oh, so. >> yes. Well, actually, I should mention we. have found a wonderful gal named Kayla, who so far is crushing it. >> Yes. >> She's my new Abby. Yes. Go, Kayla. >> Yes. And you know what? And it'll be. fine. >> Yeah, I know. And Aby's been great. She's going to be like a big sister to. Kayla. And I'm kind of like a big sister. to her. We're all paying forward. >> And think of what you pass down to her. that she will pass down to the next. girl. >> Yeah. >> It's all about passing down. At the end.

of my show, I always I have this card. about the wasted talent and I call up a. young person and I you know when you. come and see the show, you'll see. >> Okay. >> It's our job and I say our job that we. are where we are in life. We have to. send the elevator back down. >> Yeah. >> You have to. >> Sunny and your dad taught you well, Chaz. >> Yeah. Well, thank you. >> This is such a pleasure. Thanks so much. for coming. >> No, I I I was so looking forward to it. Oh gosh, me too. What a what an honor to.

meet you. This is the beginning of a. beautiful friendship. >> Absolutely. You're terrific and uh I I I. like what you say. You say what you. feel. You mean what you say. >> Oh, thank you. >> And I think that's important. >> Thank you. Yeah. It's one of the. greatest liberties we have. Why not. exercise it? >> Absolutely. >> All right. So, next stop is wherever the. oneman show is. >> I'm going to I'll let call your. assistant and she'll let you know. >> It's done. Thank you. Thanks for. everything. >> Be my guest for the show. Please. I'd. love to be and thank you for all the. laughs and entertainment over the years,

too. I know I speak for my audience when. I say we're all grateful. >> God bless. Thank you. >> Ah, isn't he wonderful? Chaz Palitary, everybody check out his oneman show, which you can just Google. Yes. How do. they How do they. >> chazpitary.net? >> Okay. >> Or go to my Instagram, chazpitary. >> Okay. And it's Paul Mintary. M I N T R. I. Just in case you're you you don't. want to screw that up. So check out the. OneMan Show and check out uh his. podcast, too. That'll be super fun to. listen to. Thanks to all of you for. joining us. We will see you again. tomorrow. Lots of love.