KEY Election Day Storylines That Matter, with VDH & Halperin, & new Details About the Plane Crash

Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome. to the Megyn Kelly's Show. It's finally. here. Election Day 2026, where control. of Congress for the last 2 years of. Trump's presidency will be decided. The. general consensus is that the. Republicans are in for a thumpin'. uh to use George W. Bush's word after a. blue wave in 2006, but as we all know, the conventional wisdom is not always. correct. And the Democrats have serious. popularity issues of their own, not to.

mention the Republicans have all the. money, and they did a bunch of. redistricting, which could come back to. help them. Joining me, and a I hope you. will join me and a whole bunch of our. friends tonight on The MK Show. We will. be live beginning at 7:00 p.m. Eastern. on youtube.com/megynkelly and on The MK. Channel on SiriusXM Channel 111, so you. can hear us and watch us in either. place, or you can watch us on YouTube. We're going to have perspectives from.

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covered. President Trump's closing. message yesterday, meantime, what did he do? He wanted to speak in. Washington. Okay, people thought that's. fine, and then for some reason he wanted. to go in front of the reflecting pool, which was second-guessed by a bunch of. Republican insiders who don't think. that's a great story for Trump or for. the GOP. And. here's a preview of his closing message. Watch. >> As you know, this is the last day before.

the midterm elections, the most. important midterm, I believe, in our. lifetime. The Democrat Party has. nominated the most extreme and dangerous. slate of candidates in American history. These are the most dangerous. candidates ever put up. There's never. been anything like what we're seeing, jihadists and. uh. Muslim Brotherhood members and people. that nobody can even believe what we're. looking at. And all committed to the same radical.

agenda: open borders, raising your taxes. by trillions of dollars, taking away. your guns, transgender mutilation of your children, abolishing oil and natural gas, sending. energy costs skyrocketing, and opening. the floodgates to millions of migrants. from all over the world, hoping to get them to be able to vote. That's the only reason they're letting. them in there. So, we'll defend our. country, our culture, and our heritage. for generations to come. We're going to.

keep it the way it is. We're going to. make it better. and just. >> Okay, this was not a bad closing. Um if. that's all it had been. But, the. president seemed to really want to talk. more about the reflecting pool itself. than the election. Here he is uh talking. about how poorly Presidents Obama and. Biden managed. algae problems. >> Tremendous algae problems, and you have. that. >> picture with the algae. >> Yeah, let me see that.

This is uh. This was a picture taken. when it was they just before they closed. it down. Do we have. great equipment in there? That That just. doesn't happen. But, the green, that's. not grass. That's algae that that took. over the entire pool. And then they closed it down, but they. didn't remove any of the dirt and the. filth, and it looked like that for. Not like this. They took out the water. So, all you saw was dirt and filth and. paper and everything else for years.

under the Biden and. and uh Obama administrations. Pretty. pretty bad. >> Mr. President, let's stay on message here. You need Republicans to get to the polls. in droves to overcome the early voting. advantage that the Democrats reportedly. have. We do not need today to be about. the algae. But the problem is Trump is a. builder and he loves projects like this.

and he really does believe that they've. solved a major beauty issue in. Washington, D.C. that has been annoying. for several administrations and no one's. done anything about it. But it's almost. like just don't. do not take the doggie to the dog park. with the liver snaps, okay? Like it's he. is not going to be able to resist the. liver snaps if you put them right in. front of him. Um. listen, that. that's President Trump and he's not.

technically on the ballot tonight, but. in many ways he is entirely on the. ballot tonight and will probably be the. driving force pro. or against, you know, that's what we're. going to find out in a matter of hours. But. there's no ignoring the 800-lb gorilla. Trump is going to drive the votes. tonight pro and anti. and we'll be left to figure out what. exactly the message is when we get the. final results. Now tonight, um.

in just a bit with a preview, we're. going to be joined by Mark Halperin and. kicking off our show today is the great. Victor Davis Hanson. He's senior fellow. at the Hoover Institution and author of. The Counter-Revolution, The Fall and. Rise of Donald Trump and the MAGA. movement. Don't miss a moment. Subscribe to this. show on YouTube and follow me on Insta, Facebook, and X. Our sponsor, the. Electronic Payments Coalition, says. Washington politicians are always. getting in your wallet and that now.

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and Alaska in terms of the GOP having a. shot on the Senate race. All the others. they say are going to go down. The Atlas Polling, which was Atlas. Intel, which was. the most accurate polling, Nate Silver. said this was the top performer of 2024. in actually predicting all the states. that Trump won and so on. They moved. their the Atlas Intel's rating from an A. to an A+. I mean, it's an utter.

blood bath what they're. predicting. They're predicting the GOP. loses. everything. All the Senate seats that. the New York Times Siena Poll projected. as well as Iowa and Alaska. And on and on I mean, just looks. absolutely devastating. They've got. like Tallarico. they've got him up six points. They have. got Troy Jackson up nine points. over Susan Collins. They they've got the.

the the the Democrat Adam Hamilton, one-time Republican, up seven points. over Roger Marshall in Kansas. and so on. So, how. It's very hard to know, right? Given how bad. the polling mistakes have been in every. election since Trump came on the. national scene in 2016. You know, my. bottom line on most of this is nobody. knows nothing about nothing. But where. do you stand? >> Well, I I think that's right. I mean, I'm a historian, so in the last 126.

years, the in party in the White House has lost. seats. I think about 22, 25 in the House, and. one to three in the Senate, except for. three occasions, and that was FDR, George W. Bush in 2002, but earlier it. Bill Clinton. So, the odds are on that, especially when the president. is 40%, but I also remember the same. mood in 2022,

where everybody said there was going to. be a red wave because Joe Biden was. polling 42%. About not that much worse. not that much better than Trump. And the oil price. was high. Remember, gas got up to $5, much higher than it is now in July of. 2022, and when the election was taking. place, it was gyrating right around $4. I think. it's 4:30 now. And people were. >> That's a good point, Victor, cuz.

remember Victor. Remember that Joe Biden then tried to. blame the Ukraine war, even though those. prices had been skyrocketing long before. Russia invaded Ukraine. >> because he said that he was going to. subsidize green energy, and they put a. hold on federal leases, they put a hold. on Keystone. But in addition to that, the people were very angry still. That. was a turning point the year before. Wasn't even, you know, a little bit more. than a year, August of 2021, that. skedaddle from Afghanistan. That really.

turned off people. And then people were. saying, "Well, you told you you said you were. going to react to the invasion depending. on whether it was a minor or major. invasion and you put a hold on up. But, so there was a war that was unpopular. that was affecting gas. Gas was at one. point higher than it is now. The inflation rate was 9.1 for. cumulative in 2022, not 3.2. So, what. I'm getting at is when I hear. that the election's going to hinge this.

midterm on affordability as defined by. inflation and gas prices and a war, I. look back to 2022 when. the inflation was worse, the gas was not that much different, and. while we weren't indirectly involved, there was a lot of angst about. Afghanistan and especially Ukraine. So, and Biden was as unpopular as Trump is. right now. So, I don't know. The only difference is.

that. >> And there was only a red trickle. >> Yes. The difference was Yeah, they only. picked up nine seats. They did take the. house squeak by. And they only they they lost one seat in. the Senate. People I couldn't believe. that. And I thought it would be based on. the polls and the hype from the demo-. from the Republicans, but the only. difference that I can see that might not. make the analogy valid is. when that was happening, nobody was. talking about affordability and war.

Jan-Janet Yellen was telling the people, "Oh, don't worry about the 9%. It's only. temporary."The media kicked in,"Gas is. not that high or it's not that bad if it. is high."And. uh we're going to drain the petroleum. reserve, which he did that 40%. We're. going to go talk to the Saudis. But, it wasn't a drumbeat,"Oh, things. are terrible."Because. I mean, if you look at the GDP, it's. been revised to 3.4. That was higher. than the third quarter under Biden. His. was I think 3.1.

The inflation rate was 1/3 of Biden's. I said gas, we have a record high per. capita family income, record low poverty. rate. The Atlanta Fed, I think it says. that's going to grow 5%. So, if you just look at and we had. manufacturing good news, if you look at everything across the. board and you compare it to 2022, it's. much better. But, and Trump is not much more Once I. said earlier, not much more unpopular. about as unpopular as Biden and Biden.

survived. uh that he he survived the Senate um he. picked up a a seat in the Senate. The other thing very quickly is. when you look at these midterms. and we all say doom and gloom, but. historically, if I just take two recent. examples, Obama and Clinton. So, Clinton, they both came in with huge. uh majorities in the House and Senate. And by the time of their sixth year in. office, the the second midterm, they.

were out they had lost both. And they had the biggest seat, I think. the first midterm, Clinton lost 53. seats. Uh Obama was worse, 60. He lost nine. Senate seats as well. And he lost another he lost another. three the second midterms. 12. But, my. point is. what happened to their last 2 years of. their presidency? Well, Barack Obama. said,"I have a pen and a phone and I'm. going to execute away executive order my. domestic policy."And then he said,

"I'm going to cut a deal with Iran, the. Iran deal. I don't care if the public is. against it. I don't care. I'm not going. to call it a treaty. I'm not going to go. to the Senate."And oh, by the way, I'm. going to enter the Paris Climate Accord. And they said,"Well, you have to have a. treaty."No, I'm not going to go. It's. not a treaty. It's executive action. And. then he said,"Very controversial, I'm. going to recognize Cuba in full. diplomatic And everybody said, "You. can't do that." He did it. In the case. of Clinton, his last 2 years, they tried to impeach.

him, which was a big mistake because the. economy was very good. He said, "Everybody like 2 years of balanced. budget, I'm going to get 2 more years. executive orders. He worked with. Gingrich." He did. And then he said, "I'm going to bomb Serbia.". And they said, "You Well, I'm going to. help the European." They said, "It's not. our war." They said, "The Republicans, of all people, said you have to get. congressional authority for that." He. said, "I'm not going to do it." It's. very unpopular. He bombed for 77 days. Unlike the Iran war, he he hit dual-use.

targeting. He hit bridges. He hit. electrical grids. Um. and it worked. 77 days, they collapsed. And then you think, "Well, what was. their ratings?" Well, they had At one. point, Obama was 37%was his low, and. Clinton was 38. Kind of like what Trump. is. And when they left office after these 2. years of being wiped out in two midterms. and losing these huge majorities, and.

Obama, by the way, would lose 1,400. offices. Bill Clinton left with the. highest ratings in the modern period, about 71%when he left. And Obama was. about 60%. And it was almost like. well, when the president in the last 2. years gets loses his congressional. uh mandate, the only thing it really. affects him are two things. He can't. make appointments in the Senate for. cabinet or.

uh judicial appointments. And he had it he has to have an ironclad. control over the minority in the Senate. so they don't join the Democrats and. override a veto. Other than that, he can. pretty much do what he wants, and this. is what the the irony is. He can become more popular, as Obama and. Biden did, because two things happen. The out party gets full of itself, like. the Republicans did, and they say, "We're going to impeach Clinton," which.

they did, which was a big mistake, and. gave him a lot of popularity. And they. talk about all the things they're going. to do. They get more and more radical. They get an echo chamber. And the. president's kind of. well, uh I'm above the fray. I'm for the. American people. I don't get engaged. And then the second thing that happens. in his last 2 years, the campaign heats. up. So, basically Clinton said, "Well, Al Gore doesn't want me on the. campaigns.". I You remember that? It was a really bad. mistake. Clinton was very popular.

But, he didn't go out and campaign for. Gore. And Gore was off-putting, and Bush. and they were at each other's throats. And the same thing happened with Hillary. and Trump. And Obama basically checked. out. He didn't get involved. He was. presidential. He went and played golf. every day. And it was almost as if the. more you did not hear Obama, and the. more you did not see him, the more you. liked the abstract reality of him being. president. First black president kind of.

But, we don't want to hear him cuz he. lectures, says we don't want to see him. cuz he's obnoxious. And it's It went up. So, what I'm getting at is. there's some known unknowns about this. election given 2022, given the polls. were pretty much wrong on the Israeli. election. They were wrong on the British. Columbia provincial really wrong on. that, where the conservatives swept into. power for the first time. And then on the opposite way, they were. wrong even about Brazil. That was a I. think a a flawed election balloting. process, but they were wrong on that.

And so, they could be off two or three. points. And 22 gives us some pause. And. if you're going to have a blue wave as. everybody predicts, then you wouldn't. have. close Senate I don't think you'd have. close Senate races in Michigan, Minnesota, and Maine. And they are close. within three or four points. according to most polls. And then even. if it happens, and he loses the Senate. and the House. And by the way, he has.

the Senate and the House in his second. second half of his first half of his. second term in a way that Obama and. Clinton did not. They had lost earlier. Um. he can still do a lot of stuff. He can. just like they did. All he has to do is. say, "I'm going to follow the model of. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama in foreign. policy. And by the way, everybody's. talking about illegal He kept up the. drone assassinations. They had 500 of. them. Nobody talks about that. They.

killed five US citizens. They killed. 2,500 people, which probably deserved it. if they were terrorists, but he also. killed 800 citizens. collect. >> Obama. >> Yes, Obama did. Nobody talked about. that. And he kept Everybody said,"Well, he only bombed Libya in 2011. for 7 months."No, he kept doing the last. day in office he bombed Libya with no. congressional authority. He hit dual-use. targets. Donald Trump has not used. dual-use targeting at all. Maybe one or.

two bridges. And he did it and he was. very popular and no one said a word. And. so I think. I What I'm getting at is historically. the presidency has assumed enormous. powers that we I don't know if the the. cons the founders envisioned that, but they can conduct treaties without. Senate approval, unfortunately, as we. saw with Clinton. Uh and I I should say Obama. They can go. and bomb without congressional.

authority. And I think it's it won't affect his. foreign policy. Trump, if he were to. lose at all, and if he can keep One of. the weird things about it is maybe he. made unwise choices in endorsing. MAGA candidates, especially in Texas. But. his Senate that survives will be far. more MAGA than the Senate before, because they have kind of weeded out. people like Tillis and Cornyn. So I I. don't think that you're going to get. apostates and he will keep at least a 40.

40-seat minority that's loyal that will. support him when he vetoes. They. The Senate will not overturn his vetoes. So this Senate will be They will They. won't impeach him. They won't. investigate all of those people in the. Trump family, Don Jr., all those people. who reportedly are grifting or involved. in that It'll be a circus. But at some. point it's going to be like if they. continue it'll be like the five criminal. and civil suits, it'll be like the raid. on Mar-a-Lago, it'll be like getting.

them off the ballot. It will it it it. you know, it will be impeaching him. twice, trying him as a it'll get tiring. is what I'm saying. And but the only and. then I'll just finish and shut up. The. big news will be in 2028 if they get a. big margin, the left. And if you get 20 or so people. who are pretty sympathetic, uh, to the Palestinian cause or. Islamicism, and if you get LC Said wins the first.

really, uh, he and Tallarico if they win on a. statewide, no one's ever won except for. crazy Bernie but if they win a statewide. race. and they take control of the Senate and. House, and then you go into 2028 and you. get a Democratic president of that ilk, then they can do things that are going. to be pretty amazing in this country. They're going to open the border. I. think they've said that. and they're not going to deport anybody.

>> Pack the Supreme Court. >> Yes, they will pack the Supreme Court. the first thing and I that's 169 years. we've had nine justices. They will let. in two states. I don't know how they'll. do it. You need Constitution 20 75%of. the states plus 2/3 of the Senate. They. will try that. They will get rid of the. Electoral College illegally not through. an amendment but by the national voters. compact. And. uh they will end the first thing they'll. do is end the filibuster right away. I.

think they'll do that uh in January if. they win the Senate. So everybody should. be aware that. this is not Bill Clinton's Democratic. Party. They have a revolutionary agenda. not just in their agenda topics but. they're fundamentally changing the. system. There will be no effort for voter ID. none of that. DEI will come raging back. It really will if you in 2028 and uh. we'll we'll see and they'll we'll know. we won't be.

we won't be pumping 14 million barrels. of oil and pretty much immune from the. worst crises that could happen in the. Middle East. We we've survived that. pretty well. We're the biggest. >> Oh, and we're going to see massive tax. hikes, too. >> Massive tax hikes and going after the. billionaires that'll be very popular, but and here in California if that thing. passes. that'll be a model. And uh 1%of the. California population pays 50%of the. income tax which in turn pays about 30%.

of all the revenue. You lose that tax. base and we're losing 300,000 people a. year. It's basically the billionaires are. paying for the and the a dwindling. number of people make over 200,000. So. it's it's going to be a socialist agenda. and I don't have any problem saying that. as a term of disparagement because they. say it. They're happy. They really it's. not a term of opprobrium anymore.

>> Let me ask you about this Peggy Noonan. piece in the Wall Street Journal. um from. Thursday. She entitles it that or the the journal. did the case for a historic wave. The. president should be dealt a rebuke, a. rebellion, and a route. Only then can. the Republican Party be rebuilt. And she goes on she makes a bunch of. points in here, but the two I want to. run by you are what she thinks should. happen to the Republican Party and what.

she thinks the the new ruling Democrats, which we are likely to get, should do. First she says the Republican Party has. to get healthy again. Healthy doesn't. mean the establishment returns. It will. never return. The GOP establishment of. 1990 to 2016 ran things into the ground, is discredited, and over. Also, they're. 80. They destroyed the party by detaching. from the legitimate needs and pleas of. its base and by secretly regarding that.

base as stupid nobodies. The new Republican Party, the one that. will have a chance at being born, will. keep the good of MAGA. man is not only an economic animal but. has a soul, the base is not full of. fools who know nothing of policy. and the good of the old establishment. Professionalism, integrity, and. understanding of the economic facts that. fueled America's 20th century greatness. Party intellectuals are at least trying. to return meaning to Pat Moynihan's wry.

46-year-old observation of a sudden, the. GOP has become a party of ideas. She wants a remaking of the Republican. Party that discards the more brutal. aspects of Trump and MAGA. And then she says the following. to the Democrats. It is likely true. that if they get a big historic outcome. Tuesday, they will misread their mandate. and go off on various toots. They'll think that change by definition. must be extreme or won't be noticed. A.

growing number will continue their grim. plotting toward socialist revolution. What they should do is be sober and. serious as one would be in a national. emergency and we're in an emergency. They should admit that they could go in. many directions now but what they choose. is to govern wisely, to make things. work. They should establish competency. Will they do this? Probably not. But. they need to get healthy again, too. And.

their misunderstanding of their mandate. just may start to set the stage. Okay, so you're the perfect person to. ask about both of those takes, Victor, on how she thinks. >> Where. >> current Republican Party needs the. rebuke. >> Yeah, where. >> and the and the current Democrat Party, if it wins tonight, will misjudge its. mandate and the best thing it could do. is to reject the temptation at excess. and simply govern. >> Well, if she's talking about Trump's. tweets or his crudity, is that what. she's talking about? Then.

>> She talks about She says Mr. Trump's. problem is that everyone on both sides. of the issue knows he's out of his out. of his depth in running a major war. So, that's one thing. >> I want to I want to stop right there. >> Yeah. So, I As a historian, I just look. at wars that we've been in. So, we bombed for 7 months in Libya and. we destroyed the reform second. generation of Gaddafi. I didn't remember. her saying a thing. We didn't get any. congressional authority at all. I I was operated in Libya. I almost died.

from a ruptured appendix by a wonderful. doctor and we bombed his clinic and I. was trying to write with him to come to. the United States. Okay. We just were. indiscriminate. We We didn't. refrain from doing We hit ports. We hit. the TV station. We went into Serbia. We didn't get We. did the same thing. And we have lost tragically 23 people, but we went into Afghanistan and we went. into Iraq on the ground and we lost.

7,500 people and over 60,000 wounded for. nothing and we left under Joe Biden. about $50 and a billion-dollar embassy, a base, and equipment, and infrastructure. Much. of it went on to the terrorist. international terrorist market. >> But, you know the Iran war is not. popular. >> popular. It's not popular and people are. blaming it and him for high gas prices. >> Yes. Yes, it's not popular, but it's a. >> historical to say that you go into the.

Middle East and you try to denuclearize. and I think you're pretty much have done. that. Uh 93 million people, the biggest bully. in the entire Middle East who's been. threatening the Gulf, threatening. Israel, threatening everybody for 50. years, who's funded Hezbollah, who has. killed more Americans than any other. terrorist organization. >> I know. We know all that, but I think. what the voters think based on the polls. is that Trump did that in June of 2025.

>> Yes. >> They believed in those strikes that he. unleashed and they were not in favor. >> Yes. >> aren't now of the second go-round in. Iran. They're much more worried about. what they're paying at the pump. >> Yes, but we haven't we haven't used. ground troops and we're not going to be. in there for a forever war. One way or. or other it's going to end very soon, maybe two or three months and that. government is. >> I mean, he's been saying that since the. beginning. His His chief defenders have. said there was no way it would be going. on when we got to the midterms. >> I didn't say that. I.

>> Yet, here we are. I don't want to. relitigate the Iran war. I'll give you. that. >> what I'm saying is that she needs. >> But I do want to talk about the Peggy. Noonan point, which is. she basically she's hated the entire. Trump presidency. This This piece. mentions the Iran war, but she doesn't. like him. She I think she thinks he is. too rude. He's He's. >> my point, Megan. So, what is he. >> the way he deals with people. >> he just say then that I think that the. MAGA. movement was an improvement over what.

she said was I guess she means the. callous Republicans that talked about. privatizing Social Security or capital. gains capital gains capital gains tax. didn't worry about tax on tips or things. like that. So, taxes on Social Security. of working people. She could have given. examples and then said here's what a. newly reformed MAGA that wasn't going. back to the Bob Dole Romney McCain. paradigm would look like. That's all she. had to say and give us an example. Is it.

Marco Rubio ahead of it? Maybe he. wouldn't be as contentious. Is it J.D. Vance? Maybe they would be wiser and they would. not be as eccentric. She could have said. that. But she didn't because she she. thinks that she has a despotic I I can. understand people get very critical of. Trump, but then just tell us. >> Well, she worked for Reagan, too and it. was a different time. It was a different. country. It was you know, Trump came in. like a wrecking ball cuz that's what the. country and the party.

>> They wanted that. >> And look, it's people get tired of. thinking about Trump all the time. Trump. loves it. Attention is his oxygen. But. the people get tired of it cuz they want. to think about themselves. But I do I do. think her second point is an interesting. one because in my experience in this. anchor chair, never underestimate the. Democrats' ability to screw up their own. storyline. Like they will they will. overreach, they will over impeach, they. will harass every member of the Trump. family, they will investigate,

investigate, investigate as opposed to. doing the people's business. >> They won't just investigate. >> they'll do it are number one, they want. to. And number two, they believe that's why. they're. I you know, possibly going to be put. back into power that they like they're. in the same way Trump's base wanted him. to go after the people who were behind. the targeting of Trump supporters and. Trump himself and try to steal the. election, all this stuff. And got mad when they didn't think Trump. did enough of that, the Democrats think.

their base want investigation rama for. the next two years. >> But. >> And I think they're wrong. They're dead. wrong. She if they if the Republicans. are unlucky, the Dems will listen to. Peggy Noonan. and they'll focus on governing and not. all this retribution type stuff. >> not going to happen. And I said that. earlier when I said in the case of. Clinton and Obama, the Republicans. overplayed their hand. They always do. the party will overplay and the.

Democrats especially and they'll do. three things. They won't just go after. the Trump family. Slotkin said they're going to go after. younger people who joined the Trump. administration. And Susan Rice said the. same thing. She said we're going to go. after CEOs and people that supported it. So and the reason. >> And Kara Swisher just said that. You. know, she's a big leftist mouthpiece who. said she wants the guy affectionately. called big balls who worked on Dodge. who's only 20 years old to potentially. get dragged in front and criminally. charged.

>> going to do that. is that unlike the first term which. which I thought was pretty successful, but the second term whether whatever you. like it or not, they went after the. symptoms, not the causes of the. progressive progressive project. And. they said,"How does the progressives. become so influential and powerful when. they don't have the Supreme Court, they. don't have the Congress, and they don't. have the presidency?"Answer, they. control the institution. So, let's cut. 270,000 bureaucrats, which they did.

Let's close the border. Let's deport. 500,000 criminals. Let's deport another. self-deport a million, and deport. another. Let's look at DEI and then. indoctrination in the universities that. creates that power they have. Let's go. after PBS, NPR, and the biased media. You can call it what you want. It might. have been excessive, but the left at. least is smart enough to say that. counterrevolution was addressing how we. have power. We have power through the.

foundations, through the media, through. sports, through DEI, through higher. education, through the schools of educa-. And this guy is at the first Republican. that's woke up and said he wasn't going. to play by the Marquess of Queensberry. rule. And Dole did, and McCain did, and Romney. did, and the Bushes did. But they never stopped it. They got more. and more powerful. Our. >> Most of those people never won a. presidential election. >> Yes. And so, there it's more powerful. And that's why they understand correctly.

that if they want to maintain their. current level of influence, it. transcends politics. They have to keep control of higher. education, K through 12, foundations, entertainment, Hollywood, media. And this. with a wrecking ball, Trump comes in and. says,"I'm going to do what somebody. never tried. I'm going to take them all. on at once."And that was very. controversial. But if she thinks no sacred cows. >> Yeah. And if she thinks that.

um. the left won't do all this, or they they. won't try to to change the country, they. are going to change the Electoral. College, the Supreme Court, as we just. said. They They don't want to just be in. power. They want structural changes that. make them always in power because they. think they're morally. >> Yes, that's so well said. >> They feel morally superior. And then if. she says she doesn't tell me what are.

you or anybody what a reform mega. She. says,"Well, I'm maybe she's a big Rubio. supporter. Maybe she said Marco Rubio. doesn't do these things like Trump. He. stays on message."Or maybe she says, "J.D. Vance is more successful in. combating. in debates. He was wonderful in the 2000. 24 campaign on the Saturday talk shows. There's other people. DeSantis is a kind. of a technocrat. He would be very. They're all mega people."But she can. just tell us Would she then vote for. them? I don't think she would.

necessarily. Or maybe she would if Trump Trump's all. the. >> totally credit her's assertion that she. believes the old establishment party is. dead. I think that's the one she's still. pining for. >> No, I think she is too. I don't think it's dead. >> of the party is. Listen, I know you got to go. I love. talking to you, VDH. Thank you for being. here and uh we'll do it again soon, post. results. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right, see you soon. Coming up next, Mark Halperin joins us with his. predictions or at least take on where we.

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You know, it was launched. He He. obviously ran saying he wasn't going to. do a Middle East war. He did. So, we had. some of our voters who have checked out. because they're like, I didn't want any. more Middle East wars and now we're. doing it. Had that been wrapped up in. like a week, like Venezuela was very. quick, people it probably wouldn't have. been an issue right now, right? But. what's happened is it's kind of an. open-ended conflict and it's having a. direct impact on people's finances. because they're going to the gas pump. They're saying energy prices have gone. up and you know, I made a comment this. weekend when I was campaigning for our.

attorney general candidate and some of. these Republicans are saying,"Oh, well, the gas don't worry. You know, it's not. a big deal."Like they're trying to blame. Biden for it. No, no, listen. We just. got to be honest. Gas is higher. It hurts people, working-class people, and And higher because of this conflict. That's just a fact. If you can't admit. that to voters, then you're gaslighting. them and they're not going to listen to. you on other things. >> There you have it, the straight-talking. Ron DeSantis. America's relationship. with Israel has become a major point of.

contention as well. Attitudes in America. with respect to Israel and its. government have changed dramatically. across all three parties, Republican, Democrat, and independent. Less in the. Republican party, they remain overall. supportive of Israel and its government, but less far far less than they were. right after 10/7 in 2023. And perhaps. changes are already afoot because. President Trump this morning on Fox and. Friends on Election Day suddenly broke.

the news that the United States is. ending its yearly aid of billions of. dollars to Israel. He said it casually. during an answer about foreign policy. and shocked the hosts so much so that. Brian Kilmeade had to make sure he had. understood the president correctly. Watch. >> Is it We understand we've cutting off. aid to Israel? We were giving them 4. billion and you're no longer going to be. giving them 4 billion. >> giving them 4 billion. We are, but it. gets cut off at the end of the year.

>> Why? >> Why? Because they don't need it, Brian. I mean, I asked them. Because they don't. need it and because why should we. suffer the slings from. lunatics like an anti-Semite when they. don't need it. It's a bad It's a bad. talking point because when you say why. don't we give everybody 4 billion. dollars? Israel's our number one, we. give them more than anybody else. And. they no longer need it. We've been doing. it for years. I've been doing it, but. Israel is a very thriving country. They. don't need it. If they did need it, I.

would say keep it going. But Bibi Netanyahu, we we reached an. agreement on that. And can I be honest. with you? He brought it up. He brought. it up. He said, "I think it would be appropriate if we. do not receive. aid."Because he understands it. This is. one of their points of contention. >> Join me now to tell us what's going to. happen today is Mark Halperin. He is. host of next up with Mark Halperin on. the MK Media Podcast Network, which you. can find on YouTube and all podcast.

platforms. Mark, I know you don't make. predictions, but give us a sense of. where things appear to be trending or is. it true that nobody knows? >> Well, first of all, having me on after. Victor Davis Hanson is like having me on. after Frank Sinatra. It's just not. really fair. So, I'll do my I'll do my. best, but um. you know, going into today, things. looked a little better for Republicans. despite two public sets of data that. showed Democrats way ahead in the. battleground Senate races. Republicans. were feeling a little better going into.

today, Democrats a little worse, but the. early vote. uh in places like Texas and Florida and. um hands us has has alarmed Republicans, Georgia as well. So, um I would say if. you don't see a very robust same-day. turnout today, you can lean in towards. the notion of a blue tsunami. But, right. now, with the exception of North. Carolina, I can't tell you a single. red-to-blue flip that I that I'd be. confident saying is going to happen. They might all happen if there's a big.

blue tsunami, but I'm but based on. people I talked to, Ohio could stay red, Kansas could stay red, Iowa, Texas, Maine, they all could stay red. And and. so, the short answer is: I don't know. anybody who's sure about what's going to. happen. But I do know it's still. possible, as I've been saying for. several weeks, possible that there would. be a major blue tsunami that wipes out a. lot of Republican seats at all levels. >> And you know, for lack of a better way of phrasing it,

why? Like why? What is it? We'll all be. looking at the exit polls tonight to get. real answers to that, but what's your. sense right now? >> Well, I think political analyst Ron. DeSantis was onto something saying the. loud part even louder. Nothing he said. there is the least bit controversial, but it was stunning including to some in. the White House to hear their ostensible. ally Ron DeSantis enunciated that. clearly. If there's if if it happens, Megan, I don't think it's going to be a. mystery. In fact, I think some people. are going to say,"Well, of course it. happened. Uh the president's unpopular for actions.

he took that voters connect to the. biggest issue uh in their lives for. which they blame him. It's pretty simple. Uh that that's how. presidents get shellacked in midterms. And then from a demographic level, uh we've talked about this before, you. just turn four knobs. More Democrats are. going to vote today probably in these. red places than usual. Many more independents are going to vote. Democrat than Republican than usual. More Republicans will not vote than. usual in rural areas and other places. And and more will vote Democrat by a.

little bit than usual. If you turn those. four knobs, it's not hard to go from. someplace like Kansas where a Democrat. hasn't won a Senate race in almost 100. years to winning. They also may fall. just short. I don't think you're going. to see Republicans blow out Democrats in. any of these contested races, but they. might win them all narrowly, or a lot of. them narrowly, because we're still. talking about that red wall about the. historical changes Democrats would have. to make to go from 2 years ago, when. Donald Trump won these congressional. districts and states by 10 points or. more, to Democrats somehow winning them.

this year. >> The um prediction by Hillary Clinton. for what it's worth is that Trump is. going to be getting angrier and even. more out of control if the Democrats win. back control of the House and Senate. And then she added this in um Slot 11. where she appeared on The View. >> Where are we in American politics and. can it get worse? >> Well, I hope it doesn't get worse.

because we are truly at the bottom. And. the kinds of things that have been said. and done in this campaign, you mentioned. a bunch of them, um are really outside the pale of any. kind of political discourse. And what it. does is coarsen, you know, people's. feelings, desensitizes them. You know, that ad in Ohio against, you know, Amy. Acton whom I know, and is just a. incredible person. And to see what she. overcame, the way her family treated.

her, the way her mother betrayed her, and how she's gone on to help people. I. mean, the Republican governor, Mike. DeWine, put her in charge of the COVID. response in the state. That shows you. what kind of person she is and how she. was valued beyond partisanship and. politics. And for Ramaswamy to do that, and for Vance to defend it, and Trump to. defend it, it it is not just a financial. corruption we're dealing with. We're. dealing with a moral corruption. And the. moral corruption is deep.

>> Mark, I'm just wondering what which is. worse, a nasty campaign ad or creating a. whole war room devoted to destroying any. of your husband's affair partners who. want to come forward and talk openly. about what he did to them. Just I mean, on the moral scale, if we're going to go. to moral corruption, what do you think? >> Well, I tell you who shouldn't decide. The audience of The View should not be. in charge of making that decision. Uh. >> And with the nerve of Hillary Clinton to. be talking to us about moral corruption,

please. >> Yeah. I mean, the Clintons have what we. call in Arkansas chutzpah. >> Yeah, they do. I'm not sure it's the greatest move for. the Dems to trot Hillary Clinton out. along with Kara Swisher. They're. promoting their new podcast together. Just to put people in in you know, into. their minds, Republicans, as you point. out, who might actually be thinking. about voting Dem just to send the GOP a. message who the standard bearers are of. the other team. >> Yeah, I mean, really,

Kara Swisher and Hillary Clinton. on The View and on Anderson Cooper is. designed for a certain demographic that. as you say necessarily where Democrats. want to be playing right now, but like. most Americans, they have a podcast to. promote and nothing will stop them. >> So, what do you make you know, you're. you're saying wouldn't surprise you if. if all the swing states remained red. But and I was talking with Victor about. the fact that this. Atlas Intel poll, which was, according.

to Nate Silver, the top-rated performer. in 2024, obviously it did not miss the. Trump wave that was coming then. So, it. doesn't seem like we can write them off. as a biased pollster. Is predicting. all of these Senate seats. Not like the. crazy ones like South Carolina or. Mississippi, but I mean all the rest. Alaska, New Hampshire, Maine, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina, and Texas are all going to go blue. >> Yeah. You know, if you compare their. results to New York Times numbers,

they're actually in some races more. favorable to the Democrats than the. Times and vice versa, but both of them. have the the Democrats either even or. ahead in all seven races. They're very. good pollsters. I've met with them and. and and they have an innovative. methodology. They're not biased. They. just they want to be the best. Um so, those numbers could be right, but and. and and significantly in both the New. York Times polls and the Atlas polls, uh. the the frontrunner, in this case the. Democrat, the leader, is is at or near. 50, and that's significant this close to.

election day. At the same time, uh. we we know that it's possible that. they're simply not able to accurately. model the electorate or turn out. Republicans. I will say, again, I'm not. a I'm not a predictor and I'm not. someone who favors either side, but. although polls in the past have at times. underestimated Republican support, they. may actually be underestimating or. they may actually be underestimating. Democratic support here. And so, uh just. as I wouldn't be surprised if if the. Republicans saved all their seats but. North Carolina, they may not save any of.

them. And and if if those two national. or those two polls by national. organizations are correct, it it it they won't be particularly. close, either. >> Because I was listening to the New York. Times podcast yesterday and they were. talking about how they know that they. have had trouble getting MAGA. Republicans to respond to pollsters, and. therefore they have started all the. pollsters kind of oversampling or. extrapolating bigger numbers from the. MAGA Republicans that they do get. Um.

they weight them more in their polls to. try to not make the same mistakes that. they've made. But they were openly. discussing that risk that. it in an election like this one where. there is negative sentiment on the GOP. side about Republicans, not to mention. on the Dem side about Republicans. They're not sure if that is the correct. thing to be doing this time around or. whether they're doing they're overdoing. it. >> You know, if you look at some of the. main issues that are firing up Democrats.

to vote and causing independents to turn. towards Democrats in some numbers. Most of those or at least many of those. are issues that MAGA doesn't like. Trump's position on. They don't like his. position on data centers. They don't. like his position on the war. They don't. like the high price of diesel. They don't like how he handled Epstein. All these things make it confusing to. poll because when you're polling if you. want to make sure you get the right. number of Republicans, but you want to. make sure you get the right number of. MAGA Republicans versus Romney. Republicans.

But in this case the additional. complication is we talk on two-way all. the time to MAGA Republicans who maybe. they're not going to vote Democrat, but. they're going to sit it out because of. the the issues basket I just said. They. don't like the war. They don't like the. price of diesel. They don't like the way. Epstein was handled. They don't like. data centers. So this I've said for. months this is the hardest midterm I've. ever covered, the most complicated, the. most difficult to understand and that. extends to the polling. I don't control. a polling budget anymore, but if I did. I'd probably be doing fewer polls and.

spending a lot more in the individual. polls to try to figure out the right way. to model this electorate. >> Mhm. I don't think I'd be doing polling. I I've been saying to the audience all. week that either the Democrats are going. to take you know, the the blue tsunami's. coming and they're going to take control. of the House and the Senate or polling. is dead. It's dead. Move on without it. It's one of those two things. We'll. know, well we hope, within a matter of. 12 hours. Um if things drag, it may take. to my birthday, November 18th, we're.

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way was just a couple of days ago. Now. traders have GOP incumbent Robert Roger. Marshall down to 38%and Adam Hamilton, the Democrat, up to 62%. What What. happened? Then there's the Iowa Senate race. For. the first time ever, Josh Turck, the. Democrat, has passed Ashley Hinson, the. GOP candidate competing for Joni Ernst's. seat. Turck went up to 52%this morning. What did he have, like a better. Halloween costume than she did? But traders now have that one 50/50, so. who the hell knows. In Michigan, the.

Senate race there, all eyes are on it. Abdul El-Sayed's now at 77%, 77 I say, compared to Mike Rogers who's at 23. That's a seven-point swing in Elsayed's. direction in just two days. Apparently, regular people do not think much of the. Haley Stevens endorsement of Mike Rogers. since the Cal-شی uh prediction market is. going in Elsayed's favor. By the way, our sponsor Cal-شی reflects. what traders actually believe. It's. real-time odds on the midterms. Give it.

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voting for Mike Rogers. Um. I wasn't moved by it. Remain unmoved by. it. All the odds around Elsayed have. only gone up. Like, in other words, in. his favor. And um I I could be wrong, but I just. feel like that one. is slipping away quickly from the. Republican. What do you make of it? >> Well, you and I agree on on many points. here including, you know, there's a way to take a. principled stand in the national. spotlight and enunciate with with vivid. explanation why you're doing what you're.

doing. That's not what she did. She made. a a kind of a weak a weak stab at it at. her press conference, but then on TV and. on Twitter, it's just a mess. I mean, I. I'm pretty good at following non-linear. arguments. I'm paid to do it for a. living. I can't even really understand. like what her argument is. I think if. you fed it on to chat GPT and said, "What is this woman saying?" you'd stump. the band. I don't know that even chat. GPT could summarize it. >> He's nasty. >> Yeah, he's nasty. You know, Anderson, I. feel like they were disrespecting me.

That's my imitation. Um so. >> No, he No, he he he was he he ejected. He was for ejection. That's really what. that was the tell. And then she cleaned. it up to I I meant injected hatred, Anderson. >> So, um. again, I'd like to see a parallel. universe where this happened earlier and. where where she enunciated. And for all. I know, somewhere inside of her there is. a principled explanation for this, but. she's not done it; and therefore, you. know, the whole theory of this is other. people are given what they call in.

politics "permission structure" to say, "Well, if a Democratic congresswoman. will do this, then I can. do it, too." I don't think she's pulled. that off. And I I'm a little still a. little skeptical as I hear keep hearing. on MS now that this is helping Elsayed, but it certainly helped him raise 2. million bucks. I don't know how quickly. he can spend it here in the last few. days. I may just buy pizza for all the. volunteers, but a lot of pizza. But, um. but. >> I keep I keep looking at her trying to. understand her explanation. I see it. about as clearly as her fiance sees her.

>> Yeah. >> He's legally blind. >> Yeah. I I got it. I got that joke. >> saying. >> I got that joke. >> Very Murray. >> I I I I would say that that. I misjudged the impact it would have. because I when I first heard about it. because I thought it would create a kind. of a focus. One of the things about the Rogers. campaign, and he's a very able guy and. his team's very good. I've known them a. long time. They haven't really decided what they. want to say about Elsayed to run against. him, right? Is he too liberal? Is he too. close to the Muslim Brotherhood? Is he.

too inexperienced? Is he too angry? Is he too hostile to Israel? Like, they. haven't really settled on on what they. want to say. So, they sort of say it. all. And um and and I think I think what. she did didn't help because she didn't. clarify in her public presentation why. should a Democrat be against this guy? I. still don't really even know why she is. >> Mhm. I agree with you completely. I I. don't think the Muslim Brotherhood hits. landed. >> Yeah. >> Just think the people who are offended. by that, you know, those connections are.

already voting for Mike Rogers. It's not. really moving the needle for them. They. needed to come up with something else. about I don't know, his inexperience, dishonesty, he's a hothead. A lot of hot. heads running this year on on team blue. Like that Mary Peltola. Who's she. screaming at the staff and throwing the. papers at them. Oh, no, I wasn't. throwing. They were I was whooshing them. off the desk. Well, she was whooshing. them off. And also, she was just mad that they. weren't finding more Dan Sullivans to. run than the one they found. >> Yeah, they needed they needed a coven of.

Dan Sullivans. You know, I've whooshed. things off of desks that have caused. extraordinary damage even though that. wasn't my intention. So, I get it. I've. done my share of whooshing. >> She's an angry angry lady. And then. there's apparently a drunk lady about to. become governor potentially in Ohio. Why. does that Amy Acton sound completely. hammered in every clip you see of her? >> Maybe just her style and way of. speaking, but I have to say just just. subjectively in my own space, I would. not want to live in Ohio if she wins and.

and I hear her state of the state. address and listen to her give press. conferences. I just don't find it a. soothing a soothing way to spend my. time. >> Well, I think it, you know, at a minimum. we can be comforted if she wins by the. thought that she'll have a designated. driver taking her around and will no. longer be behind the wheel. Here's the. latest example. This is thought five. from uh November 1st, Sunday. >> Over 125 million dollars and counting. Full of lies, sticks less than they're.

lying and buying their way through this. election. But all that money, it never moved the. needle even a 1 inch. >> No, no. >> What? >> fair, to be fair, I've talked like that. too after a three martini lunch. I have. I have. Um I don't know. I. >> That's my favorite version of you. >> I don't know. With a with olive olive. juice on the side, thank you. I don't. know if that's her normal way of. speaking. I whenever I hear her speak, she speaks like that. Well, but that.

means maybe she can't be drunk all the. time. I don't know. I don't know why she. speaks like that. >> can't? >> I don't know. It's hard to be from. >> Have you ever known an alcoholic? They. can be drunk all the time. >> They usually take a few hours break on. occasion. I don't know. >> All right, we need to see but not not. like going out in front of a crowd. You're nervous. That might be the time. where you'd be tapping in a little. extra. Let's we got to listen to it. again. >> Okay. >> Over a hundred and twenty-five million. dollars and counting. Full lies, sticks. lesson. They're lying and buying their. way through the selection.

With all that money. >> Lying and buying. Lying and buying. Lying and buying. Lying and buying. >> Oh. >> Waiter, I will I will not have the. fourth fortune cookie. Can I have a. bill, please? >> Also for Also for I swear. >> I was. >> She's She's going to be fun to cover. I'll say that if she wins. >> I just I don't I don't like listening to. her. >> So let me ask you this. What would be. the biggest surprise to you tonight? Like if if the following happens, you'll.

be slack-jawed. What? >> Uh Florida and Louisiana Senate races go. Democrat. >> Oh my lord. >> Well, I I said I'd be slack-jawed. >> start with like baby steps. Like South. Dakota or Mississippi. >> Uh do you mean South Carolina? South. Carolina? >> South Carolina. >> I thought for a while ever since. Dr. Andrews was on next up several. months ago, I thought for a while she. was going to win or had a good chance to. win, I should say. And um. >> Wow. >> And I I wouldn't be surprised if. Mississippi You know, we spend all this. time talking about national trends and. inflation and price of diesel.

Who the candidates are matter a ton. And. And although there are some Democratic. candidates like Val Demings and El Sayed. who I think have been overrated by the. press, some of their candidates are. excellent. They've They've made almost. no mistakes. It's not just that the. liberal media likes them, loves them. They've done a really good job of. defining the race, of not letting. themselves be defined by the Democratic. Party. Adam Hamilton's done that. Colin. Allred has done that in Mississippi. He. has done that. And And he Andrews has. done that. I mean, again, I'm not.

covering them day-to-day. I'm sure. they're making mistakes along the way. But as filtered through the national. coverage, they've run nearly perfect. campaigns. And that's what it takes, right? It's not It's a necessary but not. sufficient condition, but it It. necessary. You're not going to be a. Democrat who wins in a red state if. you're constantly making errors and they. just haven't and. again not true not true of El Sayed not. true of Talarico but the others have. have done a really good job and and. their teams have done a very good job.

>> On the subject of Talarico. we've devoted countless time to that. race as I'm sure you have as well. It's is it the most expensive race in. the country? Is that the most expensive. race in the country? Is that. >> Okay, and. I keep thinking about my friend Jesse. Kelly, who's also on the MK Channel. And. he's from Texas, he's from Houston, he's. run for office before, he served our. country honorably, and he just. early on, when Paxton got the nomination.

over Cornyn, was like, "There's just no. way, this always happens where people. say, oh'the, the Democrats going to do. it,' you know, like with Beto, it's too. close for comfort, but they don't do. it.". And he, you know, he felt. as I felt that there was just no way the. state of Texas. would elect. "God is non-binary, I'm a vegan, you. know, Mary was pro-choice" candidate for. office. And yet here we are, with him apparently.

leading Paxton by significant margins in. virtually every poll that's come out. recently. And I just wonder, what if he wins. tonight, Mark? What will be the. explanation for that? >> Well I thought he'd be knocked out in. August I really did think they once the. primary was over they'd run two weeks of. negative ads or talking about. a hundred things he said in the past. that would have knocked out any previous. candidate. And so once that didn't. happen once he was still standing I. thought okay we need to think anew. I've. said for two decades I didn't think a. Democrat could win statewide in Texas.

anytime soon and so this is not I'm not. one of those people who thought Beto. would win or any of these other people. would win. It's it is for for Texas Republicans. just a horrible confluence of factors. like someone who's prone to use cliches. would call a perfect storm. Talarico's raised a lot of money. He. He's pumped up the Democratic base and. he's running against a guy who a lot of. Republicans hate. They just have no use. for Paxton. If it weren't for Elon's checkbook, I. think the race would be over. But Elon.

has kept the kept the race there. and. and and I'm not sure what's going to. happen. I talked to people in both. parties there all the time and I'm just. not sure what's going to happen, but but. I know Cal Ricos can win. The fact that. the governor's race is improved for. Governor Abbott helps Paxton, but it's. not dispositive because I know because. I've talked to many Texans. There are a. lot of people who will vote for the. governor for Abbott, but won't vote for. Paxton. They'll leave it blank or. they'll vote for Cal Ricos.

>> The ticket splitting. The The latest. poll though that Atlas Intel poll had. had Governor Abbott losing. to. >> He could He could absolutely He could. absolutely lose. It'll take a blue. tsunami as big as Connecticut. It'll. take something massive, but he could. absolutely lose and and and again. it's it's hard to have fathom these. things. Like hasn't been a Texas. Democrat statewide in 30 years. Hasn't. been a Kansas senator in in almost 100. years. We're all We're all subject to. just thinking as are the political.

strategists in the states. We're all. subject to thinking of the historical. models. It's just the numbers aren't. there because they haven't been there in. decades. Well, the numbers can be there. The numbers can be there if you get into. a realm of saying. you know, black votes going to swell, Hispanic votes going to swell and switch. to Democrats. Young people are somehow. going to turn out. Independents are. going to switch. Then it's understandable because these. are states are not 70-30 under normal. circumstances. They're like 55-45.

>> Let me read you what Alex Berenson. posted on X yesterday. I really respect. him. He's. I I don't I don't think I'd call him a. conservative. I don't really know what. his partisan stripes are. To his credit, he worked for the New York Times, but. then he was like one of the chief COVID. skeptics who got targeted by the Biden. administration and sued and won. So, you know, he's gone through what. we've all gone through and being gaslit. by our government on things that matter. when it comes to public health, etc. This is what he posted. Clearly, a reference here to Trump. The. old man was treated unfairly in 2016.

when they tried to crown Hillary. 2018, when they pretended he was a Russian. spy. 2020, when they pretended COVID was. the plague. 2024, when they prosecuted. him for the crime of beating Hillary. But, there's nothing unfair about the. ass whipping he is about to take. He. deserves every inch of it and more. This. time around, he has become the grifting, incompetent, doddering fool they said he. was. He has leaned into the caricatures. so far, he's fallen over and taken the. Republican Party with him. I take no joy.

in writing this. I voted for him in '24. and hoped for better, but the next 2. years will be brutal and he has only. himself and the thieving courtiers he. installed around him to blame. Wow. That's some harsh stuff there, but. does he have a point? At least, is he. speaking for some disaffected group of. Trump 2024 voters there, Mike? >> is. And and when I did my my list my. litany before of things that liberals. don't like about Trump that many MAGA. people don't, I should have included the.

thieving courtiers. I mean, I hear this. all the time from folks. Like. they don't mind Donald Trump being rich, but they do mind Donald Trump and his. family and their friends getting rich. while he's in the White House. >> Mhm. >> I hear it all the time. You know, you. can add the ballroom to that, too. >> Me, too. >> You know, and so and so if we see. defections tonight from people. three-time Trump voters who either don't. vote in some of these races or who vote. Democratic, it's not going to be there's. it's not going to be like a search for. the answer. The only search will be for.

every individual voter, which. combination of data centers, Epstein, inflation, diesel, the war, and bock. raking, which combination will it be in. the heart and soul of these individual. defectors? But, it's a long list. >> It's a long list and if and if you took. Trump's name out of it, if you just did. a focus group with MAGA folks right. after the '24 election and said, "What. would you think of a president who got. us into an internet a foreign war in the. Middle East?". Hate him. What would you think of a. president where these under his watch or.

her watch the diesel went to $6 six. bucks? What would you think of a president who. protected Jeffrey Epstein? What would. you think of a president who made who. along with his family made billions. while they were in office? And these things would all be What would. you think of a president who stood with. the billionaires who were making a. fortune over data centers and said, "These guys should just be able to do. whatever they want?". I mean, a maggot would say, "Well, no, I. would never support somebody like that.". Even though it's the patron saint saint. saint and the leader of the maggot.

movement. And and I'm not I'm not making. his positions cartoonish or his record. cartoonish. Those things with the. possible exception of Epstein, those. things are all factual. You know, they're not they're not spin or. whatever. Those are all true. And on. Epstein, at a minimum, you can say they. mishandled it in a way that allowed. people to feel like they were covering. something up. So, >> I mean, Epstein, that the bite that's. going to be it will live in infamy. And I see it all the time in my comment. sections is Epstein. Are people still.

talking about Epstein? Who wants to. >> People couldn't they couldn't believe. what they were seeing in that. >> 100%. >> 100%. >> It was shocking. >> tone of that is the same tone where he. says, one of my favorite Trump lines. now, "Affordability affordability.". They say it's affordability. You know, um again, like I want to see the exit. polls. I'm curious. But if there's a. blue tsunami, you know, it's just going to be. laughably obvious what happened. And and. and and as uh Berenson said, he has no.

one to blame but himself. All those. things were initiated by him, controlled. by him, decisions that he made. He. didn't make the decision to raise the. price of diesel, but it's a direct. derivative of a decision he did make. regarding Iran. >> Mhm. >> And it's the same It's the same with. Israel. It's the same with Israel. >> I know. What do you make of that? Like. today on election day. >> Yeah. I. >> on Fox and Friends. >> know how new. >> Okay, we're going to cancel the aid. Like I feel like the people who wanted.

the aid canceled maybe that should have. happened a couple months ago. Giving these some of these embattled. Republicans like Mike Rogers the chance. to run on it. >> think that happened months ago. I. actually I may be wrong, but I think. that's already been announced. I think. he was just repeating it. I may be. wrong, but that's my recollection. >> Well, they've been saying it's going to. happen. But I mean he kind of said it's. done like the decision's been made. >> he certainly kind of emphasized it. But. you know, the president sometimes has a. great sense of timing and sometimes he. has no sense at all. And I and anything.

he thinks he's going to do today or even. yesterday that's going to have some big. impact on the election, I think he's. probably a little bit off. And again, I. have said after Bill Clinton, he's the. second greatest political athlete I've. seen in my career. So I'm not someone. who's a critical of his general. fingertip feel for things, but he's he's. definitely messed this up even if. there's not a blue tsunami. You won't. find anybody, including people who are. friends of his and supporters of his and. staff of his who who won't say he messed. he messed up a lot of stuff in this. election. >> So let's say we awake tomorrow to the.

blue tsunami. Let's just say it happens. We don't know. What are we in for for the next 2. months, 2 years, not 2 months, 2 years? >> I wrote a column about this yesterday. and I'm amazed at how little it's been. discussed because it has huge. implications for a ton of stuff. First. of all, if you're this is kind of micro, but if you're a Democratic strategist or. advisor or or staffer you can have a lot. of jobs to choose from, cuz every one of. those new members of Congress and every. one of those new governors is going to. have to hire like 30 people. And then. all the lobbying firms in DC are going. to have to hire more Democrats cuz.

they're going to have to deal with the. majority. I think Schumer and Jeffries. are going to have a lot of decisions to. make. Everybody talks about how they're. going to be captive to the left wing. But if there is a blue tsunami, we're. going to have. Democratic senators from places like. Iowa and South Carolina and Kansas who. if they want to get reelected, they. can't vote with AOC and Chris Murphy and. you know, other liberals. They're going. to have to They're going to have to. figure out their own path. So Schumer. and Jeffries are going to have a very. complicated set of decisions to make. about how they manage the process. And. of course, the president's going to have.

to decide if he even tries to work with. the Democrats. The Democrats are going. to have to decide if they confirm. anybody, or they just refuse to confirm. any Trump judges even for 2 years. And. then and then obviously, you know, on. the government gubernatorial level, but. also in Congress, what what are the. policies? What are the policies on. health care? What are the policies on. AI? What are the policies on data. centers? Like, there's going to be a lot. of policy implications of this. It's not. just about the politics, of course. It's. also about how how the country's going. to be governed in the wake of. will not be it will not be as you well.

know, it will not be a a validation of. the Democratic brand or any Democratic. ideas cuz they they offered none. It's just going to be a repudiation of. the president. And now from that. wreckage, both sides are going to have. to decide what the terms of the battle. are and what what policies they want to. pursue. But the Democrats have no. mandate for nothing. >> Mhm. It's uh I think it will be investigation. drama. You know, I mean, every other day. we're going to get a new person from. dragged in there, and that will be a. side show that doesn't improve anyone's. life. It'll be very satisfactory to.

some Democrats. Satisfying. They'll be. very happy to see, you know, the the. Trump's sons and. Alina Habba. >> Yeah. >> dragged in there to figure out. >> Yeah, Elon, exactly. They're going to. want to see all of that happen. But. eventually, you know, people are going. to want to see that they're doing. something for them. I don't know. Like, I I suppose you can make the argument. that Trump will be relegated to his pen. and his phone. Uh but that's kind of the way it's been. since he was elected in 2004 because.

>> 60 votes. >> threshold. >> Look, I think the Democrats want some. stuff, right? They want the Obamacare. subsidies back. They want the Medicaid. cuts restored. They want money for. hospitals restored. Um and and so the. question's going to be is the president. going to give them any of that in. exchange for something, or is it just. going to be a face-off until we have a. presidential election? And and if you. booked Jeffrey Schumer and Trump, I. don't think you could get the answer to. that. Because it's just not knowable. it's just It's knowable right now.

>> It's very interesting to me that you set. up your Zoom shot with like a another. chair in the background there. But the. asymmetry of it is you must not have any. OCD at all. I don't think my OCD could. have handled that. >> Yeah, we're in a temporary apartment so. you should be lucky that I'm sitting. down. You should be lucky I have Wi-Fi. But yeah, I have the same I have the. same view of the shot and every every so. often I think I need to move that and. then I sit down and plug myself into my. headphones and I haven't moved it. I. don't know I find it kind of solves the. >> Or you need another one on the other.

shoulder. Either one. >> it kind of Salvador Dali. It's it's just. like you can't you can't you can't look. away from it and then people are paying. less attention to how tired I look. So. it's got its ups it's got its upside. >> It's it's been. it's going to start to make me tick. >> I know. Next time next time I'm on next. time I'm on I'll throw a I'll throw a. bubble cuddle blanket over it or. something. >> Thank you for that. Thanks for. everything Mark. >> Okay, good to see you. Thank you. >> Okay, we'll be right back.

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went down that we spoke uh. about yesterday. Now we know the names of the victims who. were on board the doomed flight. Um they include Adam Robinson, his wife. Helen Sharp, their two young children, um. and uh. their friends as well. There was um. let's see. Hold on a second. I want to get get my. facts in front of me cuz I've got a. bunch of information.

Uh his wife was Adam Robinson's wife was. Helen Sharp. He was 44. He was an Austin. tech entrepreneur. His wife was 40. She. ran a communications firm called. Influential PR and also owned a. successful Aspen-based pottery studio. called Helen Sharp Ceramics. They had their two children on board. with them. Little Bella was four, Charlie was two. It's too awful to think about. the fear those children must have been. feeling. Anita Maria Apolito Satina was the.

family's nanny. She was with them, said. to be like a member of their family, traveling with them. And another couple. who was clearly friends with. uh Adam and Helen. Their names were. Rachel Reed and Charmi Fair. Uh Rachel worked in Austin at a. salon. She was a nurse. And she worked. at a salon where they do cosmetic. procedures and she was said to be uh a. quote permanent makeup artist, like the.

kind of makeup artist that could give. you like permanently great eyebrows, that kind of thing. And the people who. went to her said she was amazing at it. and she was always so pleasant to deal. with. And um. just kind and loving and was apparently. very, very much in love with Charmi. Uh. that together they owned uh a boutique. hotel in Honduras. So that's another fact about the two of. them. Their um. representatives, their family members. put out a joint statement after they.

died, basically acknowledging that they were. gone saying with broken hearts our. family share that Adam, Helen, their. children Emma and Charlie, Rachel Reed, Charmaine. and Anita were among those lost. Adam and Helen were devoted parents. Emma and Charlie were the light of their. lives. Uh Helen and Adam were the love affair. that will last forever. Their warmth, generosity and gift for.

making people feel welcome touched so. many lives. Charmaine and Rachel were. full of love of joy and adventure. They. loved their people fiercely, fully and. without hesitation. From the moment they met, they were all. in on each other and the life they were. building. They are deeply loved and we. will miss them endlessly. Anita Maria cared for Emma and Charlie. with tenderness and devotion. She was. truly part of the family. Um they said we ask for privacy as we. grieve. Details about the memorial. services will be shared once the. arrangements are made.

I don't know if they just called Emma. Bella as a nickname because I have seen. her name listed Emma's name listed as. Bella, so that's unclear to me. We are learning more about the pilot of. the aircraft as well. His name was Jeff. Gregory. He was 55 years old. His wife Cheryl survives him. She's 53. They have three children. According to a long-time friend and. former neighbor named David Peters, Jeff. grew up attending Limerick Chapel in.

Pennsylvania. Uh says their parents. worked at the church and the two of them. attended a small Christian school. together. Jeff loved wearing his leather bomber. jacket. He eventually pursued that childhood. dream of becoming a pilot. He remembered. Jeff as very diligent and dependable. Uh his church emailed congregants to. break the harrowing news. reports the US Sun. that the pilot was among the nine. confirmed dead in Sunday's crash. He. went home to be with the Lord, they.

wrote when the plane he was flying. crashed. He was an experienced pilot. He um had been flying since at least. 2016. Uh, it may have been longer than. that, but that's certainly one of the. dates on which he received, uh, one of. his licenses and certifications. Um, he was licensed to fly the Learjet. 60. and had no pilot in command restriction. on the Learjet 60. There was a. unconfirmed report yesterday that he did.

have a restriction, but it appears. to have been untrue. This guy, Adam, who's. who appears to be the main force behind. the renting of the jet, Adam Robinson, was much beloved in the tech field. And what's really. bittersweet about his story. is he seems to be one of those. Silicon Valley guys or Wall Street guys, I guess in his case, who actually did have a perspective on. what matters. and had come around to the realization.

that it wasn't necessarily the almighty. dollar. Uh, he made an X post back in April. And listen to what it how how it read. In my 20s, I used to work on Wall Street. People my. age now, 45, said they were working 70, 80, 90 hours a week for their families. But all their families actually wanted. was their presence. They didn't understand why their. families resented how much they worked.

when they lived in a nice house and. their kids went to private schools. It. was just the world we all lived in. We. knew nothing else. I decided early in my startup journey. that wasn't going to be me. My co-founders and I have always had a. policy of quitting at 5:00 or 5:30. By that, I mean shut off my laptop. No. more work talk. Go home to my family. Frequently, I'm out even earlier, between 3:00 and 5:00, depending on. whether I want to do something with the.

kids. I rarely travel for work and don't. entertain for work. My family life gives. me energy for my work. My work gives me. energy for my family life. I'm trying to. stay not burnt out and excited about. this for several decades. Can every founder choose this? Maybe not everybody, but more people. have the choice than realize they do. There is great reward that comes from. designing a business around the life you. want. A friend of his named Jesse Ouellette.

told TMZ that. Adam had recently shared how happy he. was with his life. Saying things were. going too well. as the businesses continued to grow and. his family was loving life in Aspen, Colorado. He remembered Adam as an incredible. person telling TMZ his loss will be. deeply felt by the software founders who. knew him as a friend and colleague. Another friend of his was online on X. yesterday talking about how.

he always made time for you. If when on the birth of. your children, this guy said he would. have this enormous, like an enormous. stuffed animal from overseas that he got. in some foreign country sent to you for. your child that if you mentioned an idea. to him. he would do it. Just to sort of pay you. the honor of taking you seriously. Like. he pointed out that he suggested to Adam. he should have that Adam should have his. own face put on little like. three-quarter zips to promote his.

company and Adam has sent him a picture. of Adam wearing it. Like he did it and. he sent his friend the picture showing. him he had done it. And it did strike me that this was a. very thoughtful man. He was he was thinking about his. children and how to spend more time with. them. He was thinking about the value of. life and how many decades one. could potentially get. and how to spend that time. He was. thinking about valuing friends and. taking the time out of one's busy day to. send them both explicit and implicit. messages letting them know he cared.

I mean it's extraordinary. And his wife I know less about having. read about these couples, but it seems. seems she was a creative sort. Loved beauty. The pottery that I I've. seen of hers online was absolutely. stunning. Can see why she was a success, and it's interesting to see that sort of. beauty and commitment to creativity. paired with communications, which tends. to be a very toxic field. Trust me on. that. Um but they seemed by all accounts. written up about those two and the other.

couple on board very much in love. Trying to go to the Bahamas for a family. vacation. Uh it was. something that Adam apparently felt. pride about, the fact that. he could fly private. You know, having. worked on Wall Street for 10 years, and. then he launched this company that had. to do with. allowing businesses to unearth. emails of that were associated with. anonymous website visitors. So, it would help you potentially. increase your mailing list, I guess. I.

don't totally understand it, but. apparently he was. a tech entrepreneur and was very clever. about his businesses. But listen to this. Um in a video that. shows him talking about. um. his thoughts on flying private. This was. posted by someone who goes by Pulsey, p. u l c y, on X. Um the details of what show this was and. when it was recorded are unknown. Watch. >> Some of my very rich friends were like. using it, and I just assumed that it was.

inaccessible to me. And then, you know, cuz they were almost like using it as. like the status symbol. And then I. remember when I found out it was only. like a couple thousand dollars a month. and I could fly for free from New York. to Miami or like Chicago. And I was It. was at a time where I was like single. and traveling a lot. And it was like. this feeling that I got of like, "Wow, I. can actually fly private, too.". You know, it was.

like like and I I I I like understand. and the status that I I got, you know, it's like it like it became part of my. identity, you know? I mean, that is just chilling when you. think about how he died. And it does sound almost out of. character. from what we've learned about him. You. know, that he didn't seem. all that focused on status.

Seemed more like he was a family man who. happened to be very successful. But. maybe you never know. I mean, people are. multi-layered. They have lots of. motivations. But I have to tell you, you know, I grew up middle class and we didn't. have any money. I always joke with Doug because his. family was members they were members of. a cricket club and we just always went. to the town pool. His dad grew up with nothing. He was. just he was a doctor and he kind of made. it and he wanted them to join a nice. club. He did not have a silver spoon. But my point is simply, you know, I came.

from really no money and zero. connections. And then I became a journalist and you. know, had access to more money and so. on. And so in my professional life over. the past 15 years, that was the first. time I I'd ever been in a private jet. I. mean, really, I I I remember with I was with. Doug in 2008 and we were meeting a. family friend of his who had billions. And she was telling me about how they. had traveled down from New York to Palm.

Beach with their dogs on the plane, their golden retrievers on the plane, and I was like she tell me they were. running up and down the aisle and I was. like, "Oh, what airline lets your dog. run up and down the aisle?". And she said, "We have the privilege of. flying private.". I was like, "Oh. Oh, that makes sense.". I It wasn't even like a thought in my. head that people flew private jets even. though of course I knew by 2008 indeed. they did. It just was so unfamiliar to. me. But since then I have been on many. private planes just because you start to.

read meet people who have them and then. they offer you a ride or you have to. take a business trip where it can be a. business write-off. and whatever. And I will tell you that like the first. time you're on one you're like, "Oh, wow, look at this. Yeah, I'm fancy. I. have arrived." Like he was kind of. explaining there. And then soon thereafter. my experience is you learn the hard way. that it's a bus in the sky, man. Like. the the standards around these private. jets and the pilots who fly them very.

widely, vastly. And you may get a plane that doesn't. have to meet anywhere near the same. safety standards as your American. Airlines jet does pulling out of JFK. And you certainly may get a pilot or two. who do not measure up to the pilots that. would be flying your commercial. jetliner. And you learn this the hard. way. I I've got to be honest, Abby and. I, in all these years, if if I had to. take one, she would book it for me. And.

what you do is you go through a broker. And the broker knows exactly what you. want, which is basically the cheapest. you can find cuz, you know, at least in. our case, we're just using it for. business purposes to get someplace very. fast, they'll get back on the air in. time to do the show, a remote location. You're not really doing it for luxury, you're doing it because it's the most. convenient, fastest way to get in and. out, and you have other obligations. So. you you don't know what you're getting. The lot of these brokers just like give. you like some jet and some. pilot, and you have no idea what their.

qualifications are. And we had so many scary plane rides. I. mean, truly, way too many scary plane. rides that I just I do it as. infrequently as humanly possible now. I'm I'm afraid of them. I am. I'm afraid. of these small private jets now. I used. to think they were luxurious, like Adam. said. And now I am afraid of them. Unless you go through one of these. companies, you know, that you know, like. a NetJets that will only hire pilots. that have the same qualifications as the.

big airlines or and use planes. that have the same or similar safety. standards, you are taking serious risks. And I don't know for sure, but it. certainly looks like. he was not on. one of those services. And I I don't mean to disparage the. pilot, but it sounds like there really may have. been serious pilot error errors made. here. Based on our discussion yesterday. where. you know. what we were told.

is. it's ultimately up to the pilot to avoid. the weather. Air traffic control has some. responsibility, of course, and that's. all going to be looked at by the NTSB. But it's the responsibility of the pilot. to keep the plane out of severe. thunderstorms like they had. It was. once-in-a-generation storm, they said. Over Palm Beach that day. And I know, okay, hindsight's 20/20, but no, because. many of the commercial jetliners had. canceled their flights through and to.

Palm Beach that day. So. you know, it's just that's one of the. big questions. Is why? Why wasn't this flight canceled. or rerouted. to avoid these bad thunderstorms. that the Learjet was clearly not. equipped for. The icing on the wings, the attempt to get out of what was. obviously severe turbulence by going up. a few thousand feet. And what we heard. yesterday was that.

clearly. the ice. not clearly. We did we don't know this. It was speculation by our guest. Um, that the ice on the wings was already. loading down the plane and risking a. stall. because they were at, you know, minus. 54° Fahrenheit up at 37,000 ft or so, and stuck in a bad storm, and had been. in it for a while, and were experiencing. severe turbulence, which. is dangerous and causes additional. challenges to the plane.

And then asked for the permission to go. up some. to get out of the bad air. And that the. belief is that when they did that, this. is again speculation at this point it. was just too much on the plane and it. caused a stall. And the airplane started to go down. So. these are the questions that are going. to going to be looked into. And one other word on the co-pilot, the. young woman. uh Fulgatis. Natalie Fulgatis. She, um, her sister has spoken out.

saying that. she. her sister fought until the last moment. she could. saying this is Julia Fulgatis saying, uh, she's 21 calling her sister a brave. amazing girl. Her sister Natalie was only 20. She said she wanted to be a pilot since. she was 12 and she showed any girl could. do what it takes. Um. you know, what. the the the young the the age of the. co-pilot caused a lot of people. yesterday to say, you know, is this a.

DEI? It's a young girl. This is a DEI hire. But I have to say. and as I as I said on the air yesterday. if you listen to that audio of this. young woman. she was remarkably composed, remarkably. composed. What would you sound like. if you were placed in this position with. these responsibilities when you knew. certain death was approaching? When you knew the lives of others were. about to end on your watch.

as you were in the co-pilot seat. I mean. the fact yes, there were minor moments. where she screamed. but she held it together and she. provided a ton of information that the. NTSB will use and this woman saved lives. by providing that information and. explaining what they were going through. It'll be used by the NTSB, it'll be used. by other pilots to try to avoid similar. mistakes and situations.

So, I really think that she is is a hero. for what she did. She wasn't the main pilot charged with. flying the plane. That was the 55-year-old man next to. her. This was a 20-year-old who had had. 1,300 flying hours already at just 20. who under the most trying of. circumstances managed to almost entirely. keep her cool. stay communicating. and I do believe. though she couldn't save the people on. board her own aircraft, probably saved.

others. by. relaying that information. For those of you who didn't hear it, and. with that in mind, we will play the. audio again. Here is. how the audio sounded as this flight. went down in Palm Beach yesterday. >> November 722 Bravo Delta, roger. >> Negative 47° C. We're managing the ice, but it is moderate turbulence where. we're directly flying. >> Okay, November 722 Bravo Delta, roger. Let me know if you need anything else.

I'm just watching you in my airspace. right now. >> Thank you. If you have any better rides, uh let us know. 722 Bravo Delta. >> November 722 Bravo Delta, the ride. should improve in my airspace. You're. kind of far outside of it right now, and. you can expect that a ride ahead. >> Roger, 722 Bravo Delta. Now we're. picking up precipitation. We need to. climb uh 370. 722 Bravo Delta. >> November 722 Bravo Delta, roger. Climb. and maintain flight level 370. No. further right in your present heading. for traffic. >> Climb 370, 722 Bravo Delta.

722 Bravo Delta, we're descending 8,000. Mayday, mayday, we're descending 10,000. ft per minute. >> November 722 Bravo Delta, roger. >> Declare an emergency, 722 Bravo Delta. We are in an overspeed condition, descending 20,000 ft per minute. >> November 722 Bravo Delta, roger out. Use. your discretion. Let me know what you. need. >> We're going to crash into the ground, 722 Bravo Delta. >> November 722 Bravo Delta, I'm here with.

you. Talk to me. >> We are descending at 22,000 ft and we. are banking 60. degrees. >> November 722 Bravo Delta, roger. >> Oh my god, look outside! Holy crap, it's an. >> November 722 Bravo Delta. November 722 Bravo Delta, how do you. hear?

>> Mhm. >> That poor young woman. and the families of those. lost are grieving today. Our thoughts. are with them, and we hope we hope the. NTSB comes up with answers. They will be. having another presser. today in. about an hour or so. It's supposed to be. 3:00 p.m. Eastern. So, if we get. meaningful update, we'll bring that to. you tomorrow in the midst of what will. surely be a politics heavy show. Um by the way, yesterday on the show we.

had Captain Steve Scheiber, and he was. just wonderful. You guys may know. Captain Steve from his YouTube show. He. he was just wonderful. And he he was the. one who really set us straight on the. young female co-pilot saying, "1,300 hours at age 20 is a lot." And he. said she only, you know, he said, "I I. only started two or three years after. that. It's really not that young, and. she was pretty experienced." And he. said, "What I hear in like the TV news. coverage that had been done of her when. she was a 17-year-old pilot, what I hear.

is a pilot. That's what I hear. That's. what you want to hear, the enthusiasm. for flying.". And um. he also thought she was very. professional, all things considered, as. that plane went down. And this young. girl who had her whole life in front of. her knew, she had to have known it was. ending. As her co-pilot said the Our the Our. Father. as the pilot in command, a religious. man, a Christian, had the wisdom to know it was over,

and that there was no saving the plane. I feel so bad for all of them. It is a minor miracle that no one on the. ground. was killed. Uh one man hurt his leg, uh but that is. it. And there are some gruesome reports. which we are not going to get into about. the wreckage scene today, but it is one. of the many things that the first. responders and the NTSB will have to go. through, and so prayers are in order for. them as well. Okay, before we close out the show, just. want to give you a quick update on the. Russell Brand trial.

Today, the jury came back. You recall. that the defense. issued its closing statement yesterday. The prosecution had gone Friday. And. this morning, the basically all of. today, they spent the day. in a bizarre practice that I wasn't. familiar with in Great Britain, where. the judge basically summarized all of. the closing arguments and evidence for. the jury. Like the prosecution had its. final bite at the apple, the defense had. its final bite at the apple, and then.

the judge. reiterated all of what he thought were. the salient points for the jury. I mean, it was actually kind of bizarre. He said. he was going to be pulling together the. threads of the case. Uh that that during his own summing up, he said he will miss out on some. witnesses altogether and pick out the. witnesses who seem to be the most. significant. I mean, like. I mean, it's kind of extraordinary that. the judge is making these calls. And having read the whole thing, I mean,

just the excerpts that I quickly got to. before we came to air, it seemed like he. was mostly fair. He tried to give. Russell some points, you know, he didn't. say like, "Oh, that was a good point.". But he said, "The defense raised this. issue about this testimonial." And then. the prosecution tried to rehabilitate. that witness with the following. And he. went through one after the other. And honestly, it was like. it was pretty it was pretty well done. I. mean, maybe the jury. will find this helpful. I I don't know,

but he went over each individual not. each, but most of the individual women's. claims, um. whether they said that they consented, whether they didn't, um and then he gave the case to the. jury. And they have been released now. They're. no longer in court because they went. back home for the day. And they will be back tomorrow to start. deliberating Russell's fate. Again, this. is. a really disturbing trial because all of.

these events happened 20 years ago. And how any man supposed to reconstruct. what they did 20 years ago? I mean. truly, if I. if you said 20 years ago, my god. I mean, that's 2006. So, we would have been in November of. 2006. I know that I was covering the midterms. for Fox News. That's about all I could tell you. I. I know where I was in my personal life. I would meet Doug in July of that year.

But, that's about it. Honestly, like can. you imagine having to go back and pick a. specific date? And especially if you're Russell Brand. and you're like sleeping with hundreds. of women like and you have to remember. the one interlude? It's an impossibility. But, if you had to do it for, you know, maybe a year ago, different story. So, it's just he's been placed in an. impossible situation. I'm sure he's extremely stressed out. I.

My prayers are with him. And my my. prayers are with the women to the extent. they've been telling the truth and. genuinely feel that there was no consent. given. This whole thing though has. I'm just going to say it, witch hunt. written all over it. It does. They didn't say anything about him until. his politics changed. They saw the. documentary, which was so one-sided and. unfair. Fingers crossed this comes out the right. way. Okay. Uh in a few minutes, folks, we are. going to join live our YouTube.

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