Karmelo's Parents' Lies, UK's Righteous Anger, and LA Mayor Cheating, w/ Laurence Fox & Mike Solana

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show. There's a lot. to get to today. Carmemelllo Anony's. parents in a new interview calling his. murder conviction a setup. His. grandmother outside of the courthouse. calling the jury racist and biased and. his legal team filing a notice of. appeal. Good luck. We're going to get to. all of it in our second hour. But we. begin today with the attempted beheading. in Belfast, Northern Ireland, and the. aftershocks still underway. After news. spread of the heinous attack, Tommy.

Robinson posted on ex quote, "Politicians and legacy media have. clearly learned nothing. Reverse the. races and they'd be falling all over. themselves to shout about this." Yet, they are purposely downplaying and. miswording. White people are under. attack. Some in the media and political. world then demanding that Robinson and. Elon Musk for that matter be held. accountable and jailed jailed for the. protests that broke out. All because. people were able to see with their own.

eyes the video that showed what happened. during the attack. You see, but now it's. the fault of the people who wanted you. to see the video, not the fault of the. man who's trying to behead another man. in the video. showing the video here. A. man pinned down being straddled by. another man with a knife who kept. plunging it into him over and over and. over. And of course, we now know the man. on top is a Sudin immigrant who was. granted asylum. We'll get to that in a. minute. Witnesses can be heard on the.

tape saying he's trying to cut his head. off. The victim lost an eye. The other. eye was severely damaged. He's. reportedly. likely going to be blind and is. currently fighting for his life. But. take a look at this reporting from the. Australian News Corporation. Quote, "Elon Musk and far-right activist Tommy. Robinson have seized upon the alleged. stabbing of a man in Belfast." Alleged.

Alleged. Tbby Robinson, by the way, is a. larger than-l life figure in the UK. He's got, I think, one Irish parent and. one uh English parent and has been. pushing for change, especially on issues. like this immigration in the UK for. quite some time. He's a lightning rod. because of it. And um he has been. unabashed in the wake of this news in. calling out the open borders that have. endangered citizens of the UK and. beyond.

We're also learning more today about the. man accused of attempting to behead this. victim, the victim named Steven Ogulvie. Uh the perpetrator was granted asylum as. I mentioned after filling out a 10-page. questionnaire. The Daily Mail reports. his name is 30 year olds 30-year-old. Hadid Aladid. Hadi Aladid, a Sudin national who was. given permission to stay in the UK in. 2023 after completing the questionnaire.

rather than undergoing a far more. rigorous face-to-face interview process. as was typically required prior to Rishi. Shunac, the previous prime minister, putting in place fasttrack asylum. process. es to clear the backlog. I think they'd rather have the backlog, the citizens that you were governing. The questions included, what is the name. of the person or group of people or.

organization that you fear back home? Did these events take place in your. country of origin or after you arrived. in the UK? These are tough. This is. tough stuff. Did this happen in one. place in your country of origin or does. your fear extend to all parts of the. country? Duh. What kind of an idiot. wouldn't know how to answer those in. order to advance his asylum claim? We. don't know how Alladed responded to. these questions, but whatever his.

answers were, he was granted the right. to stay. And it's no wonder they didn't. foresee that he was a lunatic who not. only nearly beheaded a man, a citizen, uh but also then apparently when he got. to the hospital threatened to kill a. radiologist. because they never actually met with him. before they gave him a five-year. permission to stay based on his asylum. claims. No one actually interacted with.

him. They just read his paper statement. This is unbelievable. This is no way to. screen for lunacy into your country and. that's how we wound up here. Joining me. now is Lawrence Fox. He's an actor. He's. an activist. Don't miss a moment. Subscribe to this. show on YouTube and follow me on Insta, Facebook, and X. Let me tell you. something. When you sign your insurance. policy, for some brokers, that's the. finish line. Handshake, commission, done. See you. then you may never hear.

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in the show yesterday seems near. universal now amongst the media in the. UK, which is they are very very focused. on why people showed the video and why. they're talking so meanly about. immigrants now in the wake of this. Your. thoughts? >> It's very interesting, isn't it, that. that instead of being upset about the. person who um tried to cut someone's. head off, the they're more upset about. the fact that we've seen a video of the.

person that they tried to cut their head. off. We've had the Irish first minister. today saying that it's terrible that. we've seen the video. Uh Europe is very. much further down the road of um this. idea of multiculturalism, this. disgusting idea of multiculturalism. actually, which is that we can all. coexist together in happy harmony. We. can't. And um we've witnessed. with this attempted uh beheading. Beheading, you know, it's a big thing in. in the West. We we didn't talk about.

beheadings when I was a kid. Um it's the. the attempted beheading of a man on the. street, Ste Steven Ogleby um by a Sudin. migrant who has absolutely. unrelentingly the British people have. voted for this not to happen. And um. we're now being told that we have to be. quiet for the sake of diversity. It it's. um the rage that you will see in the. British people which is which is rising.

uh in in a way which I've never. witnessed before is going to be um. displayed uh this strange bi-election. that we're getting next week in a place. called Mayfield in Britain. So you're. going to see a very very very severely. right-wing party do extremely extremely. well. It's it's an absolute appalling. tragedy especially after what happened. to Henry Novak. You know, we're not. allowed to be upset in our country. We're told that we're not allowed to be. upset that someone is trying to cut. someone's head off who was never asked.

to be here in the first place. It's it's. sort of it's gad levels of suicidal. empathy. >> Mhm. Yes. Yes. Our friend Gad wrote a. book called that. Um that headline is. just one example, but we could be here. all day going through similar ones. This. one was from the Australian Broadcasting. Corporation that I mentioned in the. intro, and it really does say so much. Okay, it's the the the. um summary of the article on the. outlet's website now entitled Keyboard. Warriors, Northern Ireland Leader hits.

out at Musk and Robinson. Billionaire. Elon Musk and far-right activist Tommy. Robinson have seized upon the alleged. stabbing of a man in Belfast by a. Sudanese immigrant to push an. anti-immigration agenda. Lawrence, this. is such massive like we joke about this, right? Republicans pounce. We joke about. this all the time over here. And here it. is that these two is I guess it's Elon's. fault and Tommy Robinson's fault because. they seized upon the alleged. And that's.

really the headline here on Day Two. >> Well, without Elon Musk, this story. would not be in the national media. It. wouldn't be in the international media. It wouldn't be anywhere without Elon. Musk. So you you can have your own views. on Elon Musk of which people do. But. without Elon Musk, Henry Novak's murder. uh and avoidable death actually I think. which will come to pass will find out. that it was an avoidable death because. it was 60 minutes before the police. called uh the ambulance arrived. We.

wouldn't know about any of this stuff. So these politicians and and I always. pick up on this term our when they talk. about our they go our democracy. You get. a lot in the US with uh Ilan Omar and. stuff like that. Go our democracy can. only be protected in this way. It's like. no hang on a minute. Two people have. been needlessly massacred. at at the hands of diversity, you know, and we're told that diversity is our. greatest strength and all of this stuff. and it's not our greatest strength. And.

Britain, I suppose, is is is further. along the road than America is. We are. going to you're going to see absolute. uncontrollable, ungovernable rage from. the people of our country. Quite rightly. so. >> Look at this. We're seeing it right now. The tape that we're rolling right now. shows that these people and the streets. are just. >> I rateate. >> I was there. I was there at that thing. And and also it's not the best thing for. for Britain. I was right there at that.

as well. And I what I find so sad is. that these government employees, they. work for us. They are they are our. employees. They we we hire them to serve. us. But it seems like the only thing. that they want to serve is somebody else. is is the the sacred immigrant, which is. a really strange idea in a country, especially in Britain. America obviously. a country is bu a country built on. immigration, but the UK is not a country. built on immigration. So to be forced to.

um and you see the two tier justice. system in the United Kingdom to be. forced to worship at the altar of. diversity isn't is is insane. You're. getting to the point where your average. British person will would rather be. called a racist and protect their family. than they would put up with this. rubbish. Mhm. And and you're suffering from the. same wokeminded liberal politician. policies that we are where you I was. looking at the numbers the.

Richishi Shunac promised when he was. prime minister to clear a backlog of. 92,000. asylum cases. 92,000. It was privately. described within the home office as the. quote grant factory in reference to the. huge numbers of asylum seekers granted. refugee status. It was dubbed by critics. dangerous folly, asylum amnesty in all. but name. Um, and yet he did it and he. was proud of it. And they reduced the.

screening process to just 10 pages of. paper with asinine questions like. describe the group that you're afraid of. in your home country. Did it apply to. the whole country or just parts of the. country? And then you got your. permission slip to stay in which this. guy was sicked on the UK people for five. years and there are tens of thousands. there hundreds of thousands just like. him. So, where's the accountability for. Rich Rishi Sunnac? All I saw in the in.

the paper yesterday, Lawrence, was um. the most like fervent anti-immigration. group saying, "We're going to stop Sudin. asylum claims for now." Like, that. doesn't even begin to cover it. >> If if you if you come from where I where. I live, I live in a place where uh a lot. of Polish people uh came to Britain and. offered their great and wonderful skills. to the United Kingdom. those people were. complained about in the United Kingdom.

So they they changed the policy and they. they brought in people from other parts. of the world, Sudan and all this sort of. stuff. And it and it's ended up in a in. a position where we're going absolutely. not a single person wants this guy here. trying to behead someone. That's. absolutely awful. And we need to we we. have to get to a place where we go this. is completely completely wrong. And um I. listened to your introduction and I I. thought it it sort of like made me. giggle because I was like you're trying.

to pronounce all these British names and. it's Rishi Sunnak and it's this and it's. that the these people are not these are. first, second and third generation. immigrants that are are taking over the. policies of a country and the country is. Britain which is we the Magna Carta was. signed in 1215 I think which gave us our. basic fundamental common law rights in. the United Kingdom and it whole thing's. being turned on its head in in in. moments. We're we're we're heading for. for I would say we're probably heading.

for civil war. I can't see another way. I think there'll be a I I think we're. looking at we're an Someone said today I. was watching today and I was listening. to say that we we've become ungovernable. because the judicial system won't do it. You and I have spoken before about what. um the persecution I am under. They're. trying to put me in prison for many. years. And Tommy, who is trying to get. online at the moment, they're trying to. lock up the people that were just. pointed out. Tommy, for example, who. they call a far-right person, is.

actually an ultra libertarian. He's not. right-wing in any way at all. Like, you. couldn't even He's I. >> I don't even know what the term farright. means anymore. I have no idea. >> Far too right is what it means. >> Then then that's all of us in their. view, right? >> Any amount of right is far too. Yeah. And it and it's we we just we're going. to see these are people. These are. ordinary people. I go and spend time. with these people all the time. They are. ordinary people and they would rather be. called a racist and protect their.

children from being murdered than they. would be called a racist. And that's an. awful thing because Western society. revolves and and it circulates around. this idea that certain smears and slants. are important. Like cowardice was always. very important back in the day and. racism was important. But now these. words mean nothing. They mean absolutely. nothing. >> at all. And and and you you have it in. America and and we've seen with the. awful trial of Kamalo Anthony. It's like. oh my goodness. You you sit there and.

you go this is what happens when you. entitle people. It's a very negative. thing to do is to entitle someone to to. My wife is not white for example. I. would never turn around to my wife and. say, "Right, well, you know, you're a. victim and therefore you're entitled to. be upset if you get put in jail because. you stabbed someone." It's insane. These. policies are insane. They're insane. >> And what will happen is there will be a. correction. We will correct it. And it. will be horrible to correct it. And I'm. very sad about it, actually.

>> Yeah. If the government won't, the. people will. That's what we're seeing. Like the the people have gone along for. years now. I mean, I was on Fox News in. in the mid2010s. It was around 2015, right, when Angela. Merkel was letting them in by the. million uh into Germany. Uh you know, refugees from Syria and elsewhere and. changing the face of Europe. The UK was. almost as guilty. Like this has been.

going on now for more than a decade. Just open borders and we are seeing the. effects. You talk about Elon Musk and. his role in calling attention to some of. this. Let's not forget what he did on. the rape scandal that happened in the UK. with, you know, Muslim men who were. raping young white girls and there was. no accountability for far too long. because of the races because they were. sensitive to pointing the finger at a. bunch of brownskinned men who were. Muslim who happen to be raping young. white girls. I mean, that sounds made.

up. That sounds like something some. lunatic would accuse the government of. doing, but it was real, Lawrence. And. and on the and then just on the heels of. this in the in the paper right now is a. story about uh three or four men who. raped a young white teenage girl in the. UK. They had her in a in a hotel room. for a day. They drugged her. Like you. Then there were three young uh children. who were stabbed viciously outside of. their school by another guy. Uh, it's.

like the crimes are so dastardly you can. hardly believe it. And yet over and over. it seems to me that the UK government. has either ignored it or wanted to shove. it under the rug or at a minimum will. not talk about the bigger picture. What's happening to the culture here? Well, there's something about the fact. that every, you know, there's something. wonderful in the biblical aspect of. every single human life is sacred and. that that we're all really really. important. All of us, black, white, and.

all the other colors in between. And. that used to be a paradigm that we we. took as a as a as a as a progress. genuinely progressive western. civilization. We we would think that, you know, you are amazing and you're. wonderful and I I hope you succeed. But. this woke racism of turning around to. black people specifically and certainly. uh what we call ethnic minorities in the. UK or migrant populations or whatever we. call them is to say that in some way you. are less than the person that you are.

trying to we want you to replace. It's. it's it's insane. We we we have to live. in a world and I'm afraid it has to be a. Christian world where we say that all. every single one of your lives is. sacred. you can achieve well beyond the. barriers of your class and your. financial um situations. You know that. that's actually where the where the. inequality really lies in life. It's not. about skin color. So you find. entitlement. What happens is you create.

entitlement. So I mean I can't begin to. guess what the government are going to. tell us that this Sudanese lunatic. savage did. But they will blame it on. mental health. That's what they will do. But if a white person did it, they would. blame it on political extremism. So we're left in this world where white. people have absolutely no defense to. poor behavior in their own community. But if someone of any different. ethnicity or color can turn around and. say, "Well, I'm a victim. I'm the. oppressed." And it's just a global.

communist hell hole. And I don't un. really understand other than in Britain. I can't see any way out of it other than. extreme. civil disobedience because. >> white people in this country are treated. like secondass citizens and the people. who pay the taxes in this country are. the white people. >> with all due respect to everyone who's. not white who pays taxes in Great. Britain. It is the indigenous white. population of Britain that pays the. taxes that pays for the hotels of the.

man who m our good friend Mr. Aladed. who sounds like a you know a cast member. from you know Sasha Baron Cohen film the. dictator we are we are paying to be. destroyed and I just find it insane. >> I just find it very very sad. You know, I mean, here in America, we Who's paying. for all those Somalians in Minnesota to. sit around and commit fraud? We are. We're paying for their we're subsidizing.

their housing, their healthcare as they. built the system for millions and. millions of dollars on fake daycarees. that they claim they've set up. And so, we're seeing a very similar dynamic. Can. I ask you a question? Um, and. >> can I ask you a question? What role do. you think feminism has to play in this? Oh, it's big. It's big. It's it is. suicidal empathy. I mean, I think. feminists find their own empowerment in. somehow in in part allowing themselves.

to be taken advantage of, allowing. themselves to sort of li lay down at the. altar of some of these woke gods without. a care for who will be affected. you. know, even if it's even if it's another. woman, even if it's like a a young girl. who is on her way up and is going to be. the next wave of feminists. Like, you. can understand the the radical feminists. not really giving two shits about men, but like they don't care who the victims. are. It's about themselves making. themselves feel good. They're they're.

good people. They're standing for the. right things, which includes against men. and their toxicity. And that means we. have to have open borders. We have to. welcome the less than. and that makes us. somehow better people. I mean, it's. about small egos that need to feed. So, I think yeah, they're they definitely. have dirty hands in this. >> It's it's very interesting because. there's been lots of polling done in the. UK as people because we're trying to dig. into this and find out what's what's. actually going on. Why are people. behaving this entirely irrational upside. down type of way? And there's been a lot.

of polling of what would happen if only. women were allowed to vote uh if only. women were allowed to vote. and the. women would vote in these insane Green. Party people in the UK who on the one. hand believe that quiz for Palestine and. on the other hand believe that um you. know we need to integrate lots of Muslim. people into the UK. So you're sort of. left with this strange dichotomy which. is to include everyone which I think is. quite quite a feminine trait to be fair.

but I I I do wonder whether you know. looking back over the history of the. great of Great Britain back to 1200 you. know and the Magna Carta why they. insisted on passing down the the the. legacy and the inheritance to the to the. male was because we would have if women. were only allowed to vote in the United. Kingdom we would have we would have. lunatics in charge of this country. And. >> well, and it's not just women, though. It's also It's also feminized men.

>> Yeah. Cocked men 100%. They're the. worst. They're much worse than women. >> Yeah. >> Right. I mean, they're right. Like a. Rishi Sunnak, frankly. Yeah. I mean, they're they're everywhere and they tend. to get elected on over here on the. Democrat ticket. It's one of the reasons. people recoil now when they see some of. the offerings coming off of that ticket. I think we're starting to get it. I. mean, we've had big bold leadership over. here in the form of Donald Trump, who is. a walking middle finger. Um, he's not. perfect, but he he's a huge start for us.

in winning this war. That guy on the. Sunnac numbers that I was offering. earlier. So, they have uh, you know, as. I said, tens of thousands of claims that. he said he would he would make sure got. cleared. 92,000. 95% of Sudin asylum claims were granted. 95%. And no wonder because here's what Sunnak. said in 2022. He acknowledged claims. need to be processed quote in days or. weeks, not months or years, and pledged.

to radically re-engineer asylum. processing quote with shorter guidance, fewer interviews, less paperwork, and. introducing specialist case workers by. nationality. By implementing these. changes, the government apparently. expects to abolish the backlog of. initial asylum decisions by the end of. 2023. What was wrong with having a. backlog? Who cares that? So, they have. to wait. >> Keep the backlog. Here's an interesting. one for you. So, the the new emerging.

supposedly right-wing party, but it's. not. It's a replacement for the Labor. Party, the trade uniondriven Labor. Party, which called reform led by Nigel. Farage, who is very famous obviously. um. this the people that are in his cabinet, shadow cabinet or whatever, you know, you know, his cabinet in um exile are um. these are the people that let these. people in. So in England we have this. strange conundrum whereby the insurgent. political party is run by an.

establishment stoogge as well who has. been proven to have been paid lots of. money to implement things that the. establishment want to have done. And. then what we have is this new political. party run by uh a guy called Rupert Low. who I would thoroughly encourage all of. your followers to to anyone who watches. the show to to follow because he does. not take any SH1T from anybody that. Britain is in need of this in incredible. common sense deep love of our of our of.

our very severe cultural heritage and. very deep and and meaningful cultural. heritage. But Nigel Farage has decided. to pop back into politics to create um. actually really to take revenge and. become powerful. But we have this other. party and it's a brilliant political. party called Restore Britain. And um. Robert Low is coming in to to say I'm. going to deport all of these people. They're gone and I'm going to get rid of. DEI. He's Trump. He's basically the. British Trump. And um Elon has been very.

very um solid with him. And and Elon. actually to be fair to Elon, Elon called. out Farage a couple of years ago I think. or maybe a year ago he turned around and. went Farage is not the answer. And Elon. is right. And the British government sit. there and go we got to shut up Elon. We. got to shut up Elon. It's like well why. do you have to why do you have to shut. up Elon? Why don't you just stop the guy. getting bedded in the street? That would. be a start seeing as we pay the taxes. for your police forces. >> Listen, we we we played this woman. yesterday. This she's she's quite a be. this Kathy Newman of Sky News. And.

here's what she had to say about Elon. here in SAP 5. >> What we're seeing here is is quite. frankly Elon Musk deliberately working. with the far right to stir up an. incitement to to violence and we should. be taking real action. >> And he's a trillionaire. So I don't. think the government's going to go after. him that aggressively after all. But. he's not in this country either. They. should they should put Elon Musk in. jail. >> They should put Elon Musk in jail. I mean come on. Also, Kathy Newman was a.

w woman that um Jordan Peterson put down. in one thing. He went he was talking. about does my right to offend Trump your. right to be offended, you know, with. Kathy Newman. And it was what made. Jordan Peterson famous. >> I forgotten that she was involved in. that. >> That was her. So she the fact that this. woman still not that it's a woman, but. the fact that this person still has a. has any public platform at all is. insane. And so what the British media. are trying to do is to turn around and.

say. >> this is why you're great, right? I. listen to your show every night. I. listen to you. I listen to others. But. the reason why we listen to you and. actually you got me into trouble because. because I listen to you. I say things. out loud that I probably shouldn't have. done on. on English TV. But. >> it's a badge of honor. >> You know the this thing of going like. we're going to listen to you Kathy. Newman about anything like put him in. jail. What? What? What does that mean? Challenge his idea,

please. >> Yes, exactly. Interrogate it. >> Challenge the challenge what you think. is so wrong with free speech. Express to. me in a way which I can understand why. it's important to suppress every normal. human being's right to express. themselves freely. And if someone can. explain that to me, then I will I'll. listen. But so far, all I hear is the. words our democracy, our freedoms. And. it's like they're not ours, they're. yours and we're going to take them back. And you're about to see it in Britain. and it's going to be mass civil unrest.

That's what's going to happen. >> We've been quiet for long enough. That's. how I I don't we haven't had quite the. uprising on immigration that you guys. are having right now. We we elected. Trump and Trump closed the border. Thank. God. And that's a huge start. But I do. think we had that uprising on the race. essentialism and the trans thing. you. know that we did get to the point where. it was hard. No. And I don't think the. UK's gotten there yet. I think you guys. are hitting the immigration thing a.

little before we are where just you're. at the end of your rope. We kind of got. there with some terrible, brutal crimes. that we saw with Lake and Riley and so. on, but we haven't seen people rush to. the streets over immigration the way. we're seeing right now and the anger. after Henry Novak. that I do think. that's important and it's the reason why. it's not just this lunatic um who we. talked about Kathy Newman, but the. here's the the minister of Northern. Ireland, Michelle O'Neal. She's also got. ideas about who's to blame and what.

could have prevented all of this. Um I. speak not of the beheading. She doesn't. seem so worried about preventing that. I. speak of the protests and the outcries. Listen to this seven. Monday night was. horrific and so many people saw that. image. I wish people didn't see that. image but unfortunately uh many people. did but it was absolutely horrific. But. there are bad actors that are jumping on. this and actually using it to stir up. hate and tension and people who don't. even know who we are. We're not a racist. people here. People who don't even know.

where we are on a map. But yet all we. see the likes of the Elon Musks of this. world or we see the Tommy Robinsons of. this world. the keyboard warriors who. are sitting very comfy in their homes. orchestrating hate and tension and. bringing this onto our streets and. encouraging this onto our streets. So, I. don't think I think people need to be. alert to that. Who's behind this? Like. these protests that have been organized? If they're that smart about their. protests, why can they not put their. face to it? Cuz they can't because these. protests are being organized by faceless. thugs in my opinion.

>> All Elon did was call for people to. protest. That's it. Which is a right. And and did you hear? She she wishes. people hadn't seen the video. Of course, that's the problem, Lawrence. They saw. the attempted beheading. It's so pesky, this actual proof of which we speak. >> No one wants to see the beheading. We. want to talk about why the beheading is. a good thing, you know, and why. integration and diversity is so. wonderful. But I mean anyone who's had. any level of education in this country.

or or any western country, their belief. is that the only diversity we we're. interested in at all is of opinion. So. it's okay to turn around. It's also. ironic that the the minister is flanked. by what look like babysitters and she's. sitting there saying it's just awful. But the worst part of it is she's. speaking out of the most sectarianly. violent country that uh has ever existed. really. I mean it's Britain's Rwanda,

Northern Ireland, the way that the these. people have um have murdered, you know, and killed each other just because one. is Catholic and one is Protestant. So. for them to suddenly develop a. conscience is absolutely reprehensible. And and the problem is that they don't. realize that people are not consuming. legacy media anymore. They're consuming. you. They're consuming Dan Wharton. They're consuming They're not consuming. regulated government media, which is why. the British government are trying to add. new statutes onto the uh online online.

I mean, it's you it does make you want. to laugh. It's like, you know, to stop. people accessing the truth. We have in. the United Kingdom, we have a Labor. government which is turning around and. saying we're going to ban children from. any form of media which isn't state. approved until they're 16 and then we're. going to give them the vote. I mean, Chairman Mau would be excited about. this. He'd be like, "Great plan, chaps. >> We We are living in a dystopian hellhold. in the United Kingdom." And what I love.

about my fellow countrymen and I love. about Tommy, tech Tommy, who's useless. at getting on getting on a Zoom. What I. love about um. >> We'll get him at some point. >> What I love about um Tommy is Tommy is a. mainstream person, right? And Elon made. him mainstream. He Elon said, "Listen to. Tommy. He's got a voice. And if you. decide that he's a thug and a racist, then you make your own mind up about it. But don't let the government tell you. he's a thug and a racist because the. government are not to be trusted. And.

it's why Trump in his his hyperbolic. Trump's brilliance is the fact that he. doesn't play by the rules. He doesn't. play by the well, I'm going to be very. sober and judicious in this and that and. this. Uh he and and Tommy is that and I. I I I genuinely pray that Tommy gets a. gets a gets a mission behind him to go. look I could lead these people. I could. people will follow me because we would. we absolutely would. He's the Robin Hood. of our generation.

>> Trump would be out there right now if. this happened in America calling this. guy an animal. I mean, he would not be. holding back. >> He far from chastising anybody about. their severe reaction to watching an. attempted beheading of one of their. countrymen. He would be joining them in. in expressing the horror. And that's. what these politicians don't get. They. don't even give lip service. They can't. they they they'll say like, "Oh, it was. terrible." But but the reaction is too. much and Elon and Tommy are to blame for. it. And that's what's really they don't. get it. And unless they feel it the way.

you feel it, the way Tommy Robinson. feels it, the way even I feel it over. here, they can't sell it. And and the. public knows they don't give a. They they'll if given the chance, they. would give another 92,000 from Sudan. asylum tomorrow. We know it. The only. answer is to ou these people and to. rouse the hearts and minds who feel the. same way into getting out on the streets. and saying no more. That's it. >> Believe it. >> This poor guy who almost lost his head.

was a special needs guy. He already, it. comes out, was attacked brutally back in. 2002 by a drug dealer that was a. roommate of his who set him on fire. This poor guy's been through a lot. living in assisted housing now for. people who are special needs. And he. gets targeted by this low life. We got. enough low lives in our country. You got. enough in your country. You don't need. to in in incorporate the the. ones from Sudan to unleash hell on our. citizens. That's what I can't stand. They're like, "Oh, you know, Americans.

commit crime." So, yes, but we have to. deal with them. We don't have to deal. with Sudin. You shouldn't have to. either. But what happened to what. happened to believing in ourselves, you. know, to to saying the west we we we. bought we bought the cannon of common. law across the world. We stopped SATI. We stopped we we we bought free speech. to the to to the world. We ended. slavery. We did all this stuff that. still exists today. By the way, what is. going on and what is actually going on. is in education. I you know you and.

trends which you had a you've had an. epiphany on which is great. you know, they start focusing on things that just. don't matter at all. And what they do is. the constant unending demoralization of. our society and our people. And when I. say our people, I don't mean white. people. I mean people that adhere to the. British value system, the civic. nationalist people of the West, of any. color. They have demoralized us so much. that you can be racist to white people. to the point where a man who has stabbed.

someone in the heart, his parents can. feel agrieved and his mother can feel. agreed to turn around and say you kind. of deserved it. >> I mean, what on earth does that lead to? That's what I want to know. What does it. lead to? it what positive. question. >> and and that that same dynamic is. underlying all the cases that we are. discussing the Henry Novak murder the uh. attempted beheading of this white man by. a black man from Sudan and then the.

Carmemelllo Anthony case it's because. what we know in all of those cases in. all three of those cases is that if the. races were reversed there there would be. no chastising of the protests that. followed in the streets. There'd be no. tisk tisking about those who thought. protest was appropriate and felt really. really angry that this goes on. None. whatsoever. In fact, these Kier Star. Dmer took a knee after George Floyd and.

would made it a huge deal. George Floyd, he's not even British. That wasn't even. a UK case. So, we just we know that. they'd be acting differently. And it. truly gets back to honestly, do white. lives matter? Do they matter at all? >> No, they don't. And until white people, which is so sad about identity politics. as well, because no one wants to play. identity politics, um I think Martin. Luther King was right to say it's. content of character, not color of skin.

But identity politics to to assume that. just because you happen to have one. color of skin ahead of another makes you. not a wonderful person. I think it's a. stupid idea, but for but at the same. time once you start playing it when Kama. gets down on his knee for a convicted. armed robbing fentinel man who stuck a. sort of shotgun into a pregnant lady's. stomach. Um that we have to get on the. knee for him, but you won't get on the. knee for the person who actually paid. taxes for you to protect them. Where. does that lead? And and also more.

broadly, which is actually this is a. really harrowing thought and I don't. like it at all, but it's true. If you. think about the way the the western. cannon is spoken about these days, you. know, the damage, the horribleness of. the British Empire and white people and. America and what white people did to. America and Britain and all this sort of. stuff. Essentially, you're looking, you're talking about 7% of the global. population would be identified as white. What's the end result of that? Revenge.

So, I I think that your average. working-class white person in in. certainly in the UK is starting to think. they're going to take revenge on me for. something I didn't do wrong. So, at that. point, you're looking at something truly. truly tragic. And you see it, it's. perfectly exemplified in the in the way. that they say, "I wish you hadn't seen. the video of the person trying to chop. his head off.". >> Yeah. Because it's like actually. what they should be saying, what any.

sensible person would be saying was this. is horrendous and we are going to deal. with this. So come up with a policy to. say right okay even if it's not a what. they would call a racist or far-right. policy say anyone who is being granted. indefinite leave to remain in the United. Kingdom for no reason whatsoever after. filling in a questionnaire perhaps we. should remove them and return them to. where they are. We have 40,000. Islamic extremists on the British terror. watch list. And one of those people is. going to do the same thing to someone.

else very soon. And what and and I I. mean I really hope I'm wrong, but part. of me just feels like we're being goded. into we're being goded into allowing the. government to impose yet further awful. restrictions on the nature of how we can. express ourselves freely via speech and. then if we can't express ourselves via. speech via other methods. And it's just. appalling and it's inevitable in the. same way as Tommy. So Nigel Farage who. who leads this um Ponzi scheme political.

party, the Reform Party in the United. Kingdom, um he wouldn't have anything to. do with Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson. was talking about what Nigel Farage's. main policy platform issues are 20 years. ago as a teenager with no education from. Luton. >> Wow. and that and and people need to. know in America that these people are. they don't this establishment is not the. British establishment is not coming to. save you. Tommy Robinson is the person. who actually has the ear of the people.

in this country and I'm very proud to. put my um my support behind him even. though it's in Congress because you know. he's a working-class dad from Luton and. I'm a posh bloke from poshland you know. but it's um it's uh we're in dire. trouble. >> So Tommy gets it. Tom Tommy's been. channeling the rage appropriately after. Henry and now in this I mean he you hear. him and and you know he gets it. We. actually pulled a sound of him leading. that protest you said you were at after.

Henry Novak was murdered and here's a. little bit from that um that protest and. this is a week ago. It's it's amazing. this this just happened you know that. the trial of Henry it's been going on it. wrapped up what a week two weeks ago. Um, here it is. That one. >> We know, everyone of you watching this. know if Henry wasn't white, he wouldn't. have been handcuffed. So, although that. heard someone say this isn't about race, THIS IS ABOUT RACE. >> HE WAS MURDERED because he was white, HE. WAS HANDCUFFED. DO YOU KNOW THE.

MURDERER, HE DIDN'T GET HANDCUFFED. EVEN. AFTER THEY FOUND OUT HE'D STABBED him. five times, he still didn't get. handcuffed. >> They helped him. HE STILL WASN'T. HE. WASN'T HANDCUFFED. He wasn't handcuffed. in THE POLICE CAR. HE WASN'T HANDCUFFED. IN THE POLICE STATION. THEY TOOK HIM IN. THE POLICE STATION to choose what bloody. MEAL HE WANTED. >> EXACTLY. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY DONE. >> That is the executive treatment given to. non-whites. The white boy who' done. nothing was handcuffed. The murderer IN.

POSSESSION OF A KNIFE WHO STABBED. SOMEONE five times wasn't even. handcuffed. >> He's there for the entire world to see. >> Not one word is untrue. Everything you. said is exactly right. And on the heels. of that, we now see this in Northern. Ireland. I don't It's It is a It's a. powder keg over there, Lawrence. I don't. know how much more the British people. are going to take. >> What's he talking about, Tommy? He's. talking about fairness. Literally, that's all he's talking. about. And I I'm makes me emotional.

this. It's like he's asking for. fairness. That's it. Nothing else. None of the. woke racism, none of this. He's asking. for fairness. And the the response of. the establishment and the media turn. around and call them a racist farright. extremist. It's like my goodness. Do you. know the level of anger that's coming. your way? They don't know. They have. they have no understanding these people. of what is coming their way. They have. no understanding. To the point where I. have stood and sat and spoken with and. been around normal average families who.

have come and said, "I will die for. this." You know, it's that's where we're. at. and the establishment will just sit. and go, "Well, we'll we'll impose. harsher remedies." You know, we we had a. case in Britain uh two weeks ago where. three gypsy boys and they're protected. because of their uh Romany ancestry. They're protected and they raped three. of them raped a uh young child and the. judge decided that the um victim of the. rap, you know, that they were too young.

to really understand the consequences of. what they did. So, he he spared them a. jail sentence. Right. But someone who. threw a bin like a, you know, a trash. can at a police officer is now in jail. for 24 months in the United Kingdom. Do. do the do do the United Kingdom does the. United Kingdom government understand. what is going to happen if they continue. to do that? They don't understand. >> Um, they're going to get decimated. And. Britain has a proud history of. revolution. actually not in the French.

way like revolutioning o over an idea. but revolution over over something that. really really matters and I think we're. heading there. I really do. I I I see it. as an inevitable consequences of the. government um actions that are being. taken. That's what I see. I can't see it. any other way. >> There's one more uh of Tommy and Elon at. a rally in London. This is last. September right after Charlie was. killed. Sat too.

All right, congratulations. >> Congratulations, Tony, on uh putting. together an amazing event and really. rallying for the people of Britain. >> Elon, none of this could have happened. without you giving the British public. access to the truth and giving us free. speech and fighting for our free speech. So, on behalf of Great Britain and the. British public, we're incredibly. grateful. Elon, >> Elon, you spend an incredible lot of. money on X. Why is free speech so.

important to you? >> Well, I I believe you you can't get to. the truth of things without freedom of. speech, without active debate. Um and uh. there's so many on the left that want to. just crush debate. In fact, this is a. government against the people. and not for the people. And then you see. how much violence there's on the left uh. with our our friend Charlie Cook getting. murdered in cold blood. this week and. people on the left celebrating it. openly.

The left is the party of murder. and celebrating murder. >> Oh man. Oh man. Oh man. >> Powerful. >> He's right. He's right. I. >> It's just I mean and that's why but that. that's why they say Elon is a Nazi. That. in his fake salute. That's why they say. Tommy Robinson is too you can't have him. in polite conversation because they'll. say these things. I mean, it's why it's. why you got fired from GB News and we.

talked about that at length when you. happened for making a what? Okay, fine. An offcolor joke about a woman who was. dismissing the concerns of suicidal. males in the UK. You You're She's. allowed to say that. You're not allowed. to call her out on it. The The guy on. the street, he can do the beheading. we're not allowed to show it or condemn. it or protest over it. These are the. rules of polite society. Or you get the. far whatever label or you get bounced. out of Oxford from having a real debate,

which I know you have an update on, but. that's that's what's causing the the. anger. Like we're allowed to be angry. over this stuff. We're allowed to. protest and argue and call out our. governments. >> What what is Elon saying? He's saying. again, which it makes me emotional. Elon. is saying, "I defend the right to free. speech for people I don't agree with.". He's not defending the right to free. speech for people he does agree with. because free speech doesn't matter that. way. In the same way as Tommy is not, you know, people get very upset in.

England with Tommy for for not being. racist enough. So, they just sit and. call him a racist. But these are. fundamentals. to a um to you know, I'd say secular. liberal democracy, which is possibly. where we're at. But, you know, in the. West, we're probably more driven by by. biblical um values. You have to kind of. have a play a benchmark where you can. go, I defend your right to disagree with. me because if I don't defend your right. to disagree with me, then you're going.

to attack me. It's so simple. It's not. even complicated. So, it becomes a kind. of luxury belief delusion world that we. live in. And it's so unhealthy. And I. have a child. I have two children and I. have two stepchildren. And those kids, I. tell you, you will not meet more. radicalized people on earth. >> These guys, that next generation that's. coming through, they don't put up with. it anymore. They are done with it. To. the point where they they, you know, the. next generation will be a golden one.

because we need one, right? >> Yep. I agree. I feel so hopeful whenever. I talk to young people because they have. they've had it. Um, can you tell the. audience because I told the audience. that you and Tommy had been cancelled. from speaking at Oxford. There was a. Palestinian Muslim woman who proposed. the debate, wanted the debate. You guys. said, "Sure, let's have the debate about. basically whether Islam is consistent. with Western democracies." And so the a. Muslim woman wanted to have it. She. believed it. It's fine. You guys have a.

different opinion. And and Oxford shut. it down. Then we told everybody we were. going to host it for you over here and I. understand Oxford has since had a change. of heart. Lawrence, >> I just want to do a huge shout out to. Awa who is the president of the Oxford. Union who is a Palestinian Muslim woman. Um and I admire her so so much. um she. wants to have the big debates and one of.

the debates that she put forward was um. is the West right to be suspicious of. Islam and I thought yeah that's that's. that's a good debate I'll take part in. that and she they tried to cancel her. they tried to destroy her this is this. is the diversity is our strength person. right you know she's a Palestinian. Muslim woman you know I disagree with. her about a lot I imagine but we have. this human connection which is so. important with everybody you disagree. with, which is to go, I don't care what.

you think. I care about you and I want. you to express it. And she's an she's an. incredible, wonderful, wonderful woman. And um this debate is apparently taking. place. I fully expect them to come to it. next on um I can't even say the date. because that's how mad it is. But um. >> they announced it. They said it's. Tuesday. >> All right. Okay. It is on Tuesday. Yeah. So, the debate is on Tuesday and we're. going to go and I'm going to go and I'm. going to go and be charming about Islam. and free speech and that's what I want. to do. I don't want to go I don't want.

to go in and say I hate Muslims. I. don't. I love Muslims. I hate Islam and. I will always hate Islam because I. understand Islam and I know what it is. and I don't want it in the same way as I. hate national socialism. I don't like. it. But I don't hate individual Muslims. And it's very difficult for for people. to understand the difference between. that in, you know, unless they read a. Bible. >> Well, I think it's going to be a very. powerful exchange. I'm looking forward. to it. If they do cancel on you, we're. here. We've got you, Lawrence. It's a.

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That's quo.com/mk. Mike Salana is coming up, but I want to. start with the latest on the fallout. from the Carmelo Anthony trial as Austin. Metaf, the victim's father, is speaking. out in a new exclusive interview with. journalist Sarah Fields, who was a guest. on our show yesterday. Not only that, but Carmemelllo Anthony, the defendant. who's been found guilty of Austin's. murder and sentenced to 35 years in. prison, uh his parents are speaking out. too, playing the victims. It's.

unbelievable. the that is coming out of the. Carmelo Anthony supporters team is rank. I I I honestly can't believe my eyes. Like they're acting like they're the. victims. They're acting like Carmelo. Anthony was stabbed by Austin Metaf who. got off. That's exactly how they're. acting. That's not what Carmemelllo. Anthony stabbed Austin Metaf, taking. this 17-year-old's life in an instant.

over nothing. He went into Austin's. track and field tent during a a track. meet. They told him to leave because he. wasn't part of their school. Each school. had their own tent. though Anthony. Carmemelllo Anony's school apparently. didn't have a tent for some reason, but. that's not why he was there. It it did. begin to rain, but he was there. intentionally provoking people. That he. obviously went into that tent looking. for a fight because he went armed with a. knife that was not a little Swiss Army.

knife like Jasmine Crockett and her. ridiculous crowd of woke warriors were. suggesting in their Zoom call the other. day. and he then dared Austin to lay. hands on him to make him leave the tent. Austin did lay hands on him in a way. that was not violent in any way. It. barely moved him at all. And as soon as. he touched Carmemelllo Anthony, Anthony. plunged that knife into Austin's heart, killing him. That's what happened. The.

jury saw autopsy photos that were so. gruesome they were recoiled in horror. their jaws dropped that showed a two and. a half inch gaping wound where his heart. was. He stabbed him so severely and. deeply. Forgive me, but it went through. the heart, testified the medical. examiner, and punctured the bone behind. like he this wasn't an accident. He. didn't accidentally hit the heart. instead of something else. He didn't.

nick him. He plunged that knife deep. into Austin's heart and it is obvious. meant to kill him. No, no one's that. much of an idiot walking around that. they wouldn't understand that would. cause instant death. And now his family. and their supporters are playing the. victim and the race card as if there's. some doubt in this. We know he did it.

We know he did it. And can I tell you, it's not just like I'm going to show you. the soundbite of some lunatic guy who's. run for city council out there four. times, never getting more than 6% of the. vote. Uh his name is Devonte Peters. You're an idiot. Um it's also people. like Jasmine Crockett who of I mean we. all have strong feelings about her. I'm. sorry that I keep saying she's. representing Houston. She she's. representing the Dallas area. All my. Houstononian fans are like, "For the.

love of God, please stop doing that. MK, I apologize. You're I don't know why I. have such a mental block on it." She's. from Houston. That's why she was like. born there or when she was young, she. was there. In any event, she doesn't. represent Houston and she's not going to. represent Dallas long either. She's been. redistricted out of her seat. She ran. for Senate. She failed. And so now she's. trying to make it, I guess, as a social. media commentator. I'm not sure what the. she's doing. Sorry. Forgive me. She. is just vile, but she's not a complete. idiot. She went to law school. She went.

to a very Tony private school before law. school, something much better and nice. and and more uh expensive and fancy than. probably what you or I went to for sure. where I what I went to. And uh then she. decided to get all street. You know, we've walked you through it. The Benny. Johnson tape is amazing. And uh but. she's not she's not a dope. She she was. a practicing lawyer, so she's got some. legal education, too. This woman is out. there trying to pretend, like I said, that it was like a Swiss Army knife. Well, if you've seen a Swiss Army knife,

it doesn't have a real knife to it. It's. like a It's almost like a nail clipper. That's not We just put the knife on the. board that Carmemelllo Anthony used. It's a dagger. It's a dag. It would It. would You could gut a fish or a human. with this in seconds. And that's what. Carmemelllo Anthony did for nothing. here. I want to play. I'll guess I'll. kick it off with her, but I got to get. to the parents, but I'm I'm since I'm on. Jasmine Crockett 25B. Listen to her. >> If a 300 pound man is beating me like on.

top of me and beating me down, I I'm not. limited to to fist. You know, I would argue that even the. only time we go into things like. people's hands being um considered. deadly weapons is typically like if. they're a professional boxer or that. kind of stuff. But I think by the time. you start getting to like football. player, good argument, good freaking argument. We're not talking about like the. golfers, we're talking about football. players, right? Like this is what they.

are trained to do is to inflict like. serious physical contact. Um, and it's. my understanding the deedent was. they they weren't 300 lb. Austin wasn't. 300 lb. Devonte was a large man. He. wasn't some shrinking violet and he. provoked the entire encounter. How dare. she tried to analogize this? Carmelo, sorry, Devonte's I'm going to get to him.

in a second. Um, Carmela, how dare she. try to pretend that this is a situation. in which a man was beating a woman, a a. huge football player was beating a woman. who fel felt no choice was available but. to defend herself with a knife. What? This is like utter nonsense what she's. saying. And she's intentionally stoking. the fires which don't need any more. stoking. Jasmine, leave the national stage. We've We're. tired of your two minutes and your. stupid street a effect. You don't talk.

like that. Even here, she was playing it. up. She doesn't talk like this. She's. just leaning in because she thinks it's. going to give her cred. You're It's. going to give her some sort of cred with. some faction who's out there listening. Okay, great. Good luck reinventing. yourself. You have no career in front of. you. Go back to practicing law. Maybe. seems like they need some lawyers down. in your hometown. Um, here's this guy, Devonte Peters, who I. mentioned never received over 6% of the. vote, but amazingly did get some.

percentage the four times he ran for. city council in Dallas. This is Vile. This guy, of course, has a holistic. health store that he runs in his spare. time because he's all about wellness and. like bringing the mind body together. Sure. Sure. Devonte, he left the. courthouse and posted on social media. Just left and any white person. can get it. Uh, I don't give a. Then he goes on to say, "Fuck it. Dig.

Austin Metaf up and stab his ass again.". Where is your soul? Like, what's what's wrong with him? seriously like and it's not just him. Okay. The parents the parents of Carmelo. Anthony go on their own little media. tour last night. You was there message. We're so sorry for the Metaf family. This is a tragedy all around because of.

course we're sad that we've lost our son. too, but we know what he did was wrong. You know, he's sorry. No, no, they had a. very, very different message. Take a. listen here. Uh they sat down with Front. Page News and Mimi Brown ST 27. >> So do you believe your son received a. fair trial? >> Absolutely not. >> Absolutely not. >> Absolutely not. And we going to keep. fighting. >> Mhm. >> WE WILL NOT STOP FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE. FOR MY SON. >> And as parents, have you all struggled.

with guilt? You know, asking yourselves, is there anything differently? I know. Kayla, you said you wish you had gone to. that track meet. Is there anything that. you both wish you could have done. differently? >> I wish I would. just being rebellious. I was told, "Don't talk to this person. Don't talk. to this person." I feel like it was just. a setup now. So, they told us, "Go get. white attorneys." Every black person I. went to white attorney. No, white. attorney. They set them up. Push them. Hey, here you go. I mean, no objections. It It was things like cuz as a father of.

me being who I am, I got to make sure. she's straight. This mama, I got to make. sure she's straight mentally because if. she's not straight, my house ain't. straight. I'm not straight then. So, cuz. I got the kids other kids to worry. about. >> Okay. Now, so what he's upset about is. that he wasn't more rebellious when. friends of his told him to get a white. attorney. He's mad. He's mad they didn't. play the race card. That's what he's mad. about. I said it yesterday. I stand by. it. This guy's a race hustler. He's a.

race hustler. He would not have hired. the Dominique Alexander character who's. been pushing the race buttons from the. beginning on this case if he weren't. And the mother, we are going to fight. for justice for my son. What do you say? Justice was administered against your. son as the perpetrator of this crime. Who do you think you're fooling? The the the outrage of this? They're. they're turning the entire narrative on.

its head. You're the defendants. Austin is the victim, not the other way. around. What the hell is this? This is. Can you imagine? Imagined for one second. if a white teenager, if Austin Metaf had. plunged that knife for no reason into. the heart of Carmelo Anthony and then. was found guilty of murder. appropriately. Imagine the backlash to white parents.

coming out there saying, "I WILL FIGHT. FOR JUSTICE FOR MY SON. WE WERE TOLD. THAT WE SHOULD GET BLACK LAWYERS, and I. wish we'd been more rebellious." And. then all these white people coming out. and being like, "That boy should be dug. up and we should stick a knife in him. again." What? Can you imagine the. societal backlash to that messaging and. and the number of papers it would be in? We'd have deep examinations and how. wrong we've gone as a society. What.

school did he go to? Who taught him this. nonsense? Who are the family. spokespeople? These are all white. supremacists. That's what we'd be hearing. Nothing. Nothing is being said about this family. Oh, polite, you know, politely looking. the other way. Let's just ignore. Ignore. Which is also soft bigotry of. low expectations. Oh, they're too like. what? Low life. They're too stupid. We. have to ignore their ignore their. blatant racism. They.

should be held to the same standard as. the rest of us. And what they're saying. and doing is vile and disgusting and. racist. This is so gross. Th this family's had enough to deal. with. The metavs, they're the victims. They're the only victims. You're not victims. You raised a boy who. has zero empathy and apparently is a. sociopath. You have yourselves to blame. for that. Yourselves, not society, not.

whites, not your friends who told you to. get a white lawyer. you. They They were. so. without character. They abandoned their son when the. sentencing came down. They were like, "Guilty. We're out." They didn't stand. there in the courtroom. They didn't. return to the courtroom when the. sentencing came down. The mother took. the stand. She said, "Boohoo.

Please have mercy on my boy." And then. they asked the one question, does he. regret what he did? Yeah, he regrets. That's it. That's all she was able to. come up with. Not even like a story. about how he regrets the number of tears. he shed, what he's said about Austin and. how bad he feels. Nothing. Nothing. The. prefuncter. Yeah. Regrets. Check. And then she was out of there. He had to. stand alone for the actual sentencing. that came down. That's who they are. As. they've been pimping the race thing from. the beginning. There's zero evidence. that race played any role in this case.

Although if it did, it was on Car. Carmelo Anony's part. Nothing nothing. about Austin Metaf. And their supporters. from the beginning have been trying to. say that the Metafs and that Austin was. a white supremacist. Nothing nothing has. come out suggesting that. By the way, even if he were, he wasn't. No evidence. But even if he were, it would be. irrelevant. He didn't do anything to. Carmelo Anthony. He literally placed. hands on him. That was it. At Carmelo. Anony's insistence that he do it if he. wanted Anthony to leave. And no sooner.

had he done it than a knife was in his. heart and his life was over at age 17. These are the race hustlers. I'm sick of. this I'm sorry. There was a. time where I was feeling kind of bad for. them. They blew it. Not only that, but. they took their $600,000 that they got. in the GoFundMe or giveo. They rented. this mansion. They've been living the. high life, driving around in the nice. car, and now you're mad. Now you're mad. at the justice you received. You know. you're mad at the legal services you. received. You hired a shitty lawyer. He. wasn't good. I admit white, black, could.

have been either way. You decided to go. with a white guy. He wasn't bad because. he's white. He was bad because he's bad. You could have you be a great lawyer as. a black man. You could be a great lawyer. as a white man. And vice versa. Look at. Johnny Cochran. One of the best ever. But this is outrageous. Like this behavior is. it's beyond disrespectful. I kind of. can't get my arms around like the. gaslighting that these people are doing. Um, and then there's poor Jeff Metaf, the sweet father who has to deal with.

the loss of his boy for the rest of his. life, who looks at his his boy's twin, Hunter. And can you imagine what that's. like? The the living image of your your dead. child walking around your house, but. it's not him. It's so close to him, but. it's not him. I wonder if it's a comfort. or a curse. Oh, and poor Hunter.

that his brother he was with in Udero. and every moment thereafter. And he will. never share his wedding, his the birth. of his children, his professional. accomplishments, his graduation from. college, even from high school with him. It's just devastating. So Jeff Jeff Metave. sat down with Sarah who was on the. program yesterday, Sarah Fields, who's. been very very very good covering this.

case from the beginning. And here's some. of what he said. S 21. >> That very first night, our church. held an impromptu. It was overflowing. There was over 1,700. people that showed up that night. Very touching. An outpouring from the.

community, friends, family, even people who didn't. know us. showed up in support. And I spoke that night about who Austin. was. He was a leader. on and off the field. He touched people's hearts in ways. others couldn't. He was loved by so many and so many.

loved him. Okay, I I just want to give you the. juxosition. That's Jeff Medaf, father of the victim. Here's Carmelo Anony's grandmother. outside the church. Sorry, outside the. courthouse as she left two days ago. S. 24.

racist bias. RACIST. said a white person can hit a black car. and get away that message that they can. do whatever. they SEND A MESSAGE. It ain't the end of the road. >> This is.

the truth. >> That's racist. Y'ALL DIDN'T TOO. Y'ALL SUPPORT US. WE. DID A GOOD JOB. We seen everything. get it getting the message. She made it. quite clear.

And I'm sure it was comments like that. over and over, not to mention the nasty. jabs that these supporters have had for. the Metcaf family, like, "Let's dig up. Austin and stab him again." And by the. way, there's also a push now uh. change.org or petition to charge Hunter. with assault, saying it's really. important for accountability from these. same cretins. Hunter did nothing. Hunter held his. dying brother in his arms. That's what. Hunter did. He was there when he came.

into this world and he was there when he. went out. That's what Hunter's been. through. They want to charge him. So, I'm sure Jeff Metave has had about. enough from the Anthony family and their. supporters, which leads me to SAT 22. Back to Jeff. So you can live with your. lie if you want to, but my truth is. forever. Just like the fact your son is a convict. and a killer.

Forever. Forever is a long time. What's your master plan, Mr. Anthony to. use your son as income and soak up as. much money playing victim to line your. pockets and then abandon him when he's. at sentencing or victim impact. You just. left him up there by himself.

Amazing. Amazing. This poor man, he's been given a life. sentence, too. There's nothing nothing that can be said. or done. A life sentence without parole, a death sentence for Carmelo Anthony. would not heal this guy's pain. We all. know that. nothing nothing can be undone for him. All we can do is express our deep deep.

sympathy and try to help him. I want to. I want to introduce him to my friends. Allison and Tom Barkage. You guys may. remember their son Blake died in October. of 2021. um during COVID. He had taken two doses. of the vaccine. We still don't know. exactly what caused it, but he died of. myocarditis. at age 17. And they have become an. example to me and to the world in how to.

handle grief. They've been so wonderful. They they found a way to hold each other. through it, to hold their friends. through it, to find where they could. moments of laughter and connection, to. remember Blake at every turn. I try to. mention him, Blake Barkage at every turn. because that that comforts them. Just. hearing his name and knowing that people. are thinking about him in some way at. some level comforts them. Tom works at. Johnson and Johnson. He worked. tirelessly to change the bereavement. policy there, which they did. used to be.

you only get like a couple of days. You. lose a son. You lose a child. You can't. can't go back to work after two days, you know, and Johnson and Johnson did. it. They were great. And now they're. working actually with Congress to pass a. bill that would allow bereavement leave. that's extended for parents who lose a. child. My point is simply they I know. it's a trait st saying but they did turn. their pain into purpose and they they. have a blueprint of sorts on how a. grieving set of parents can get through.

the worst possible thing. They also lost. their son at age 17 and they're okay. like they're they'll never be. whole again but they're okay. They're. doing all right. Their daughter Alexis. as well is thriving. So, I just I I have. such prayers for the Metaf family and. the Carmelo Anthony family. I just I'm. so disappointed in them. I'm I'm. horrified by their behavior. Um I'm. going to give you a few more from them.

They went on with this Breakfast Club. interviewer and here's them taking issue. with the narrative of Austin dying in. his twin brother's arms because that's. that seems like something we should be. debating, right? Listen, >> the other family, they go paint this lie. that's nobody exposed that he died in. his brother arms and it was all. >> that's not true cuz that is a narrative. Yeah. >> No, no, you never heard it no more. That. that was a lie. You heard about a bag.

You never heard about a bag since child. That's why I was telling people. a lie is temporary, but the truth lasts. forever. It's just now it's like harder. now. I got to fight to get the truth. out. Okay. There was testimony that Austin. did hold Hunter. Sorry, reverse that. Hunter held Austin screaming, "I can't. do this.". But I guess that's uncomfortable. I. don't We need to reject that. It's. important to go revise the pain that the. twin brother was in. Is it Is it better.

if he didn't? I mean, great. Okay, let's. say he he wasn't holding him. Is it. better? Is that Is what Carmelo did less. bad? Because I'm not feeling that. You're not like in any way lowering my. sympathy for the Medcaf family or for. his twin brother Hunter. What are you. doing? What are you doing, Mimi? You the. anchor doing this? What are you What are. you Why. don't you ask a question like would it. matter? Are you disputing that that.

Hunter was in incredible pain? What's. your message to Hunter? Do you want to. apologize to him right here and now? Where's that question? Here's. Okay, here's the parents on why Carmelo. didn't take the stand. >> And did Carmelo want to testify in his. own uh on his own behalf and and was.

>> it was based on everything. He didn't. need nothing because everything they. said on his self-defense, they have to. prove it. They never prove. Okay. >> So, that was never that was cuz I know. there was this pause and a lot of people. thought that, you know, uh we were going. to come back and he was going to take. the stand and he didn't. So, that was. never an option. That had never been. discussed of him taking the stand. >> That's why we just need a a new we need. we need somebody who's going to fight. >> That's what I can only say right now. We.

just need somebody going to u fight. >> Okay. So, he's saying that the. prosecution didn't make its case and. that's why he That's a lie. That's a. lie. A firstear law student knew that. the prosecution had made its case. And. by the way, then the judge said. explicitly they've made a case because. you move for a directed verdict arguing. that they hadn't made their case. And. the judge said, "No, they've put up. enough that you know it should go to the. jury." And you had the opportunity right. then and there to say, "Do we The reason.

they didn't put him on the stand is. because I guarantee you he was not a. sympathetic witness. He would not have. made a good witness very clearly. Look. what the mother was able to muster. Yeah, I regret. Check. Bye. What do you. think? You think Carmemelllo would have. been way better. And so instead, they. let her be the face of it. No. If. Carmemelllo could have mustered one tear. for anyone other than himself. When did. he cry? When he was found guilty. Oh, that's the first we saw any emotion out. of him. He wouldn't look the Metaf.

family in the eye. He wasn't man enough. That's why he pulled a knife and stabbed. Austin Metaf because only someone who. had to prove how tough he was would ever. even consider such a thing as an option. He's such a small, pathetic little man. That's the truth about Carmelo Anthony. That's why he did what he did. He. appears to have been raised by a couple. of race hustlers and therefore he looked. for insult at every turn and almost.

certainly understood the please leave. our tent directive as some sort of. racist looking down upon you message as. opposed to you're on an opposing team. For today's purposes, we're in battle. That's how every athlete looks at these. things. What are you saying? Even in. tennis, my kids are in tennis, which is, you know, it's not like hand-to-hand. combat the way football or some of these. other sports are. You don't really. fratronize with the opponent during the.

breaks. After, yes, totally. But like. during while it's going on, you're quote. enemies. Not the kind that Carmemelllo Anthony. thought they were where you actually. kill the other person, but enemies in. that don't hang in my tent for the next. four hours. Our only mission is to beat. you, not to befriend you, not to hang. out with you. And not to mention, you. talk strategy when you're on the. sidelines with the team and you don't.

definitely don't want a competitor in. the pin tent with you. Why didn't. Carmemelllo Anthony know any of that? Like any athlete or someone like me. who's not an athlete know that like like. we would all know that because he'd been. raised by two grievancy race hustlers. Why else would they hire Dominique. Alexander as the spokesperson and why. else would they be arguing the way they. are with the grandmother? Racist. Racist. Biased. That's you created this situation. You. created what happened to your son and.

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relief. >> Ain't no judicial justice for. black people. How many. decades and decades have to go by where. you don't receive that? Your justice is. frontier justice. They kill one. of y'all. You kill one of them. Our toughest soldiers. ain't going to do. I'm talking to you.

You ain't going to do. but kill up on your own. I don't like What does that mean? You. kill one of ours, we kill kill. one of quote ours was killed. What is. What is that? What are you? The. narrative is being completely. turned on its head. A white man was. killed by a black man here. That doesn't. make it the fault of all black people.

It certainly doesn't make it the fault. of all white people. What is this? Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show. Uh. we're going to bring in Mike Salana. He's the founder of media company Pirate. Wires as well as the chief marketing. officer of the venture capital firm. Founders Fund. and we have found him to. have a lot of wisdom on a lot of. subjects. Mike, welcome back. Great to. see you. >> Great seeing you. Thanks for having me. >> This is kind of crazy. >> Oh man, it's it's. >> right. This is kind of crazy. >> It's so nuts. I was obviously was. listening to your segment. Um I think. maybe one of the most striking things. about this to me is we're actually we're.

not even inside of a one of these crazy. moments of racial tension. Like this is. uh this is actually we're not in the. middle of BLM, you know? We're not This. is This is I mean, so much about this. reaction reminds me of the OJ stuff. Uh. you have these famous pictures of of um. uh mixed race college dorms. There's. this one in particular where you see all. of the white people watching this. clearly guilty person get off um in. horror and all of the black people. cheering. Uh there was a lot going on in.

the country at that time. I don't it's. totally inexcusable and important and. honestly horrifying to watch but like it. was still like you could almost. understand that things were really tense. at that time and this is the reaction or. something. This is not even that. It's. just uh the whole thing is a reminder to. me that there is this really frightening. racial hatred sort of bubbling under the. surface even now. And I'm just going to. say it. I think the thing that a lot of. people are dancing around is like I. think there's a there's a racism problem. among black Americans in particular. It.

seems it seems disproportionate. >> some of them. >> it seems disproportionate right of. course on all I'm saying by the numbers. you see polling there's polling data on. this where you talk about uh you know. how do you feel about this or that race. and and and black Americans h have. disproportionately higher degrees of. racism against other groups and. especially white people um and I think. we want to not talk about that uh but. but it does come up in moments like this. this whole thing feels super racially. charged you can't look at the reaction. to this and think anything other than. like this obviously hopefully a minority.

of black people, but sizable minority of. black people believe that a a white. person being killed doesn't matter. It. just doesn't matter. >> It's so crazy to me. I mean, honestly, like, we have dear black friends. They're Christian. They're god-fearing. They would look at this case exactly as. you and I do. They're not represented by. these lunatics, but there's a fair. amount of these lunatics running around. um in in Texas, obviously, or and. online. We we've seen so many postings. Look, look at the harassment.

that the Carmemelllo Anthony supporters. unleashed on the Metaf family as they. left the courthouse. You're going to. hear these this yelling, everybody. By. the way, that first shot we just played. from that man was from Endwokeness. online. This one's from uh Tik Tok Chief. Malo who captured this moment here in. sot 26. They're yelling at Austin's. family here. >> I'm Austin. He's a big ass. >> You guys knew he WAS A YOU GUYS KNEW HE.

WAS A. >> YOU GUYS KNEW. >> I want you guys to know that I am 6'. The phone is that my phone is at my. head. >> The guy in the BACK IS HIS BROTHER. >> YOU GUYS KNEW THAT. >> Carmelo Anthony was was 5' 9, 5' 8, something like that. So, you had two of those people standing. over him.

>> That's unbelievable. You knew he was a. bully. They're they're yelling, "Um, we're glad Austin's dead." That's what. she said right at the beginning. And and. for the listening audience, they get. right in front of their car. They follow. them, including including Hunter, to the. car and get right in front. And physical. intimidation again, like here too, >> you have to dehumanize. I think that the. thing is like it's you know that someone. was murdered. you know that it was a kid. who was murdered. To justify that, you. have to dehumanize them in some way. And. that's what I think a lot of people are.

doing here. Um I do say so the internet. kind of gives and it takes. I think a. lot of this was probably amplified via, you know, disinformation um among a lot. of these kind of racehustling people. They've activated a lot of people who. now believe kind of inaccurate things. about the case and they really do think. for example Austin was a white. supremacist and he attacked Carmelo and. all of this kind of stuff. Um, on the. other side of that, I will say, you. know, I was just saying I think we have. quite a bit of a of a race problem on. our hands. Uh, it's kind of always. bubbling under the surface. I did see. last night I was kind of doom scrolling.

on this. Um, and for whatever reason, the algorithm maybe it knew I was in a. bad place and it started sending me uh. lots of black influencers who who were. like, "This is crazy and you people are. crazy and you are making this, you know, really bad." And so there was a good. amount of that as as well. Um, I just. though I I just I keep coming back to it. just I'm the next time we and it is. inevitable. I mean, you look at what's. happening in Europe. We have a long. history of this in this country, there's. going to be a moment where where racial. tension flares again. Um, and and it.

this kind of thing will be much worse. It'll be much more pervasive. You know, if this had happened in the BLM era, it. it would be uh you Carmela might have. gotten off. Like that's the thing. I. have a question for you about the. juries, though. How do you when you get. people like this, if you get someone. like this on the jury, um like how could. this have played out and then how do you. maintain any kind of fair legal system. in in a world where people feel this. way? >> You got I mean the number one thing you. got to figure out as a prosecutor is how.

is there a respect for authority by this. potential juror? And there are questions. that can get to whether they respect. authority slash the law slash police. officers, you know, and and any of those. can can be a standin for could you. believe the the prosecution's case. because if you're totally anti-. authority, you're not going to vote to. convict. You're going to sound like. these people where you're you're. motivated by something else like. ideology or skin color. We saw a little. bit of this in because I've seen jurors.

from the OJ case kind of sort of admit. that they knew this guy killed. >> this woman. >> two people. >> two people. >> two people. >> and they didn't care I just if I I am. worried about yes I think this reaction. is a minority reaction I think it's a. large minority I am I am worried if it. grows like I kind of especially in a. world of like mass migration if people. start identifying tribalistically rather. than you identifying with classic. American principles like fairness in a.

trial. Um, I don't know how we maintain. this. I don't know how we maintain fair. trials in the future. That that's the. thing that really worries me about this. case is is like I see the future through. it. >> And it comes on the heels of us watching. Henry Novak. >> Yes. >> Be stabbed multiple times by a Brown man. who seek who claimed he was the victim, which was a lie. and a police force. automatically uh trust the brown guy. with the knives instead of the white guy.

dying at their feet. And now we have. this beheading which is also, you know, you've got a black man from Sudan is an. immigrant. trying to behead a disabled white guy. from Northern Ireland and the immediate. reaction from all the politicians is. stop showing the video and stop talking. about it. Stop. Stop. Just stop. So, it's just there's been a series of. events where I think people are like, "What?". >> We're being gas lit. Yeah. And it and. we're also seeing a true like again it.

feels like uh it feels time for Candace. Owens and um. what who is it? Uh what's his name? The one who was married to Kim. Kardashian. Why am I not Oh, Kanye. >> Kanye. Thank you. Yes. Kanye and Candace. Owens to bust out their White Lives. Matter t-shirts again or sweatshirts. >> I mean, thank God though, it's not quite. as bad as Europe really feels like it's. just this bizarre world version of. America where things are just slightly.

worse. It's like the vibe shift went in. the opposite direction. And I I think I. mean when I see what's happening in. England and what's happening in Ireland. with dis like uh sort of uh uh you have. policing I guess here it was always. implicitly different. It's like oh. there's there's a two-tier justice but. it's not actually official. It's not. actually systemic over there. It it. seems much more systemic. And certainly. the speech laws are much worse. Um and. maybe they're just this constant. warning. You know, it's like that is it. can get worse. It can be as bad as what.

we're looking at over there if we're not. careful. >> Good point. Yes, a ve very good point. Oh, wait. Stand by one second. Well, my. team's telling me that u Oh, Carmemelllo's parents went on CBS this. morning and that's apparently what. happened. Do we have a sound bite that. we're playing? >> Okay, I guess we'll just play it. We'll. watch it together. I don't know what's. in it, Mike, but we'll find out. together. >> Take us inside that courtroom. What. stuck out to you? >> What stuck out to me number one was the. all-white jury, but I was trying to be,

you know, like, all right, it's not that. big of a deal. I mean, the truth is on. our side. >> What did you tell the jury? >> To have mercy on my son. >> What do you say to his grieving family? It's unfortunate to where nobody wins. We've. all been hurt by this. Everybody. >> Oh my god. >> Outrageous. It's unfortunate. And we've all been. hurt by this. It's like It's like. absolutely outrageous. It's sociopathic.

behavior. They don't see this person as. a person is the thing. They They do not. They see him They see the the boy who. was murdered by their son as an obstacle. to what they want rather than a a. victim. It is. It is. Yeah. That's. really outrageous. >> And the lie that it was an all-white. jury. >> There were no blacks on the jury, but it. was not an all-white jury. There were. Hispanics. There were Asians. There were. multiple minorities. This is Texas. There are a lot of minorities in Texas, and the jury reflected that. Um, that's. also a lie. There there were plenty of.

minorities on that jury. Shame on him. Unbelievable. The the the lies. All. right. Speaking of lies, they're telling us Spencer Pratt lost. fair and square. >> Oh, man. this I mean I have so much more. to say about this. I know it's sad like. the other one is obviously this tragic. issue but I mean I could go huff on LA. for for days. So where do you want to. start? >> No I I do want to hear it but first I. want to start with this. Um this is um. video was posted on the exac account.

Wall Street Apes uh who showed a skid. row woman claiming she was paid to vote. for Karen Bass by a bunch of activists. Stop 32. >> Did you vote? >> Yeah. >> Oh, you did for Karen Bass. >> Yeah. Karen Bas. >> That's her last name. Basic. >> Karen Bass. Yeah. Or Nithia Ramen. >> Uh Karen. >> Karen. They told you to vote for Karen. >> Yeah. They had to sign a little thing. >> And And how much they pay you? It. >> was like two bucks.

>> Two bucks. Had to sign off on a on a. thing to vote for her? >> Yeah. >> So they do this for everybody out here? >> Yeah. They come out here all the time. Okay. So, it's starting to explain where. the magical votes were found in the. mail-in vote. Mike, >> I mean, I have this is I don't think. that a democracy is healthier um if you. happen to have a a really really high. turnout among methaddicted hobos who. live under the bridge like like this. ground floor. I don't think that makes.

for a better system. Uh, I do also I. would I would love to be comparing. though the the turnout of meth addictive. hobos who live under the bridge in LA. versus other cities because it seems. from what I'm looking at by the numbers. like very very very high. Um, you have. hundreds of ballots coming in uh going. into homeless shelters with no beds uh. all all turning up. you have uh the post. was reporting something like 7,500. associated um like like homeless. homeless uh ballots being turned in. I.

don't to these sort of centers, right? That's how you kind of get at the. question of are these people homeless? If they're addresses a homeless shelter, then probably they're homeless or that. is what that is what you know we're. thinking here. Um this is just all. obviously a recipe for fraud. I mean I. don't I live in San Francisco. There are. lots of drug addicted homeless people. here. If you've ever had a conversation. with one, these are not people who are. like, "Oh, I better turn in my mailin. ballot. It's uh it's election season. I.

I really find Nthia Ramen's housing. policy compelling. Can't wait to vote.". Like, that's just not happening. And the fact that we're expected to. believe it's happening is absolutely. maddening. And so now what you have in. the New York Times just this morning, um. you had this thing on like what did we. learn from the the Pratt loss or. whatever. And it opens up with this. really frustrating thing that I've seen. Matt Eiglacius began it on the center. left. Uh this is their position. Their. position is um man, all of these dumb.

Pratt voters on Twitter really truly. believed that Pratt was going to win as. a Republican in like a 90% Democrat. city. And they're just going off about. uh this sort of lie that people were. delusional and believed Spencer was. going to win outright. And they're doing. this to make a cartoon character out of. his supporters to obiscate the real. issues which are like mail-in ballots. are out of control. Registering homeless. people to vote and then ballot. harvesting drug addicted homeless people. to push someone like Nithia over the.

edge is outrageous. I mean 7500 is just. the number that we know. She only won by. like 30,000 votes. I think she's up at. this point. Like that's the one piece of. reporting that we have on this. like we. have no idea what is going on in that. city other than it seems like more. people voted in this election than the. last and there are less people in LA. than the last election. Um there's just. nothing but smoke here and uh and we're. going to and we're not going to talk. about it because this is America and in. America when a a far-left person wins, we just pretend everything is fine. And. it's it's extremely frustrating.

>> Yes. Exactly right. That's I mean this. is giving me the vibes of what happened. between Kristen Welker and Trump where. he was like it stinks you know it's it's. crooked and she just that's how they. count the votes in California. There's. zero interest in the so-called. mainstream media to actually investigate. whether this actually does smell and. might be fraudulent. >> I mean it's like someone said online you. know we don't know that it's fraudulent. I I you know I haven't seen I myself.

have not seen hard evidence of fraud. It. seems like a lot of crazy things are. just the law in California and in and. and in Los Angeles. Uh and so what we. certainly know is that it's it's rigged. Like I think the word rigged makes a. little more sense. Like it is stacked. against anyone who is not in bed with. the hard left in Los Angeles. I mean, >> but I but I do think it's I I used the. word cheating the other day because I. and I think that's that's different from. fraud, too. But I do think it's. cheating. If the law is set up to say.

you can mark your ballot with an X or a. slash, they are thinking about an. elderly person who suffered a stroke. That's what they they are not thinking. about Skid Row junkies who get coralled. by Democrat groups who then are the. witnesses who can sign to say, "I attest. that, you know, Skidro's Mike Salana was. truly the one who marked that X." Right? Like that's didn't know ballot. harvesting was a real thing until this. election. I genuinely believed it was a.

right-wing conspiracy. I thought it was. like a thing that Fox News talking heads. talked about just to like, you know, throw smoke out there. I I there was no. way in my mind I thought that this was a. real thing that existed in Los Angeles. and that is now. I mean, we are seconds. away from it being defended as like. sacrian. Like there there is if we got. rid of ballot harvesting, if we couldn't. have a Democratic operative rounding up. 7,500 drug addicted homeless people to. vote for Nitia Ramen, we would not have. democracy. It would have died in. darkness at that point. And it's just. like I don't know. And I'm at the point.

now it's like if that's if that is what. we're talking about with democracy, like. >> I'm well I I'm not in favor of that. system. Whatever that system is, that's. not what I want. >> You're so right though. We are a couple. minutes away from that cuz it's it's. always like no it's not happening and. then it's like oh it's happening but. it's old newsgan. You don't want meth. addicts to. >> and then it's it's it's old news and. it's good for you. >> You don't think methathetics have a have. a right to democracy Megan? That hobo. living under the bridge. You don't think.

that you you don't you don't want to. hear what they have to say about you. know giving more homeless people under. the bridge money. Why not? You must be. you're such a terrible person Megan. Like of course that's. >> elitist abbleist snob. >> Yes. Abbleist. Abbleist. You you don't. think they can't control it Megan. they. have a disease. You have to listen to. what they think about police brutality. Um, like maybe. But also, here's a. practical question. If they're living. under a bridge, like what is their. address? I know people in Los Angeles. who are in Los Angeles, but they're just. a little too far south or a little too. far north. They couldn't they could not.

vote in this election? Where where does. this person live? Like, I don't. understand h how I don't understand that. piece of the puzzle. Like, there are. practical questions. There are moral. questions. Um, we're not gonna get. answers to any of those questions, though. >> Yeah. And and I read one report that. said even if you're going to go with, okay, every single homeless person at. this shelter went through this ruse of. the slashy mark witnessed by some. Democrat operative who then clearly. filled in the name Nithia Ramen. Even.

even we're going to go with that is like. that's that's how it was done and. technically it's within the letter of. the law. There I read a report I can't. remember the paper, but it was a. credible paper. It was either the the. the times or um the journal. I'm trying. to remember. Anyway, they reported that. there there the numbers were too big for. the homeless shelter. Like they didn't. have this number of homeless. >> at these particular shelters. So there's. reason to believe even the the. >> what fraud, cheating, whatever as set up. is being explosed. And of course we know.

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gold from Birch Gold. The petitioner Brenda Brown hands cash. money to the homeless person. Not only. for signing the California ballot. initiative, but also as payment for them. to register to vote. >> Now, because you haven't registered, I. need to register you so I can get paid, too. >> Okay, you guys. I need to get paid. That is a federal felony. And it didn't. just happen once. It happened over and. over and over again. We personally.

witnessed and covertly filmed this. happening at least 28 times over the. span of our investigation, and that is. just in Los Angeles. Many of the. homeless have zero understanding of what. it is that they're actually signing. >> Amazing. That's James O'Keefee, the. intrepid, getting firsthand evidence of. what happens in California in order to. make those votes magically go Democrat. Welcome back to the MK show. Mike Salan. is back with me. He's the editor of the.

must-read fearless publication Pirate. Wires. Go and subscribe now. Mike, um, that's the thing is like the. dismissiveness of the Kirsten Welkers of. the world and all of the media. And so. now we're stuck with the results. Like. >> how is she not even tough? Go ahead. Sorry. >> No, I was just going to say he's not. he's not going to move on. There's. nothing we can do about it. There's not. going to be a court challenge in time. that's going to change any of this. And. it leads to disillusionment. It leads.

to, you know, people feeling. disaffected. >> Yeah. Not to this. He's done. I I. Pratt's. >> I I was I I was early to Pratt. Uh, for. what it's worth, I the moment so the. fires happened, Pratt came out of the. gate, I was like, but before he was even. running, I I said, "This man's a. journalist. This is a star is born." I. followed his career before the fires. Um, I thought he was a smart guy before. all that. I followed him during the. Hummingbird Crystal Saga and I followed. him during the fire uh aftermath. He is.

talented. I think that he kind of rose. to the occasion and he'll probably run. I think he's going to run again and that. will be a different campaign perhaps if. we can get the election stuff under. control in the state of California. You. know, the world of mail and ballots is. so new. That's the thing that we also. aren't thinking about like this mass. mail and ballot. >> moment. >> New and awful. >> It's just it took them and I think it. took I think it took the activists a. minute to learn how to game the system. and we are now in the gaming the system. moment and uh if we don't do something.

about it, it's just going to get a lot. worse. There are a lot of really. important ballots props coming up in. California uh during this next general. general election. Um this kind of stuff, this kind of behavior could be really. bad. It's important that clip that you. showed is really important. I think that. I'm pretty sure that woman uh is being. um I think she is is she not being she's. being investigated by the federal. government. Like that's not going to. just nothing. It's not like nothing's. going to come of that at least. I think. that law will be followed. >> Yeah. >> I'm concerned about all of the stuff. that's technically legal. um that should.

not be legal and uh and these really. crazy negative outliers that we're. seeing for the first time because it. just the system is new. >> It's new and it's awful. Uh on the. subject of Spencer Pratt, all right, so. he's like he hasn't conceded exactly. I. guess technically we have till July that. these votes are going to be counted. It's kind of crazy, but we know he lost. and however he lost, he lost. Um a lot. of LA residents were excited by Spencer. Pratt. A lot of the people in the.

Palisades were very excited to see. somebody who felt their pain caused by. Karen Bass and her lieutenants. They didn't light the fires, but they. might as well have. Um, they were. excited by him. Does Jimmy Kimmel, who's. a California resident, tap into that at. all or at least stay away from it just. out of respect? I'll do that sometimes. Sometimes I'll be very fired up on an. issue and just like out of respect for. people. I just won't go there because. it's like I don't whatever. I don't. always feel the need to rub people's.

noses in a political loss or what have. you. Well, let's check in. Stop 39. >> So, now we wait to hear from Spencer. Pratt. You know, he clearly promised. that if Karen Bass or Nithia Ramen were. elected mayor, he was going to move out. of LA. He said he was done with LA. And. Spencer, if you're watching, we are so. so sorry to see you go. What we do know, we're going to miss the hell out of you. You're a man of your word and you've got. to go. You said you were going to go and.

I know things might be tight right now, especially out of state donation money. is running out. Moving is expensive. So, to help you out, um, we rented you a. U-Haul. This is It has plenty of room. It's got so two beds, tables, chairs, all your crystals, whatever you want. Our staff spent the whole day decorating. it for you. and everybody that will. notice you and wave goodbye as you. leave. And I hope that you and Heidi are. happy wherever it is you go.

>> Honestly, like like what did he do. that's so abhorent? He really wasn't. even incendiary the way Trump is. I. mean, he was honest. He was straight. straight talker, but I just I I. genuinely don't think that's warranted. >> He was succeeding. That's what he did. That's that was so so important. Anyone. who is successful at getting a message. out that is contrary the state message. is going to be punished by the state. sock puppet uh sock puppets such as. Jimmy Kimmel. That's his whole job is to. get up there and terrify people into.

holding the party line. And it's just. like the Democratic party line um has. become increasingly untethered to. reality. And so it looks like extra. shocking to see someone up there making. fun of someone who lost literally. everything that he owned. uh and that. his mother owned in in a fire. Like, yeah, that seems that seems shocking to. us because we're still, you know, relatively based in reality. Um and he's. just not. He's not. And he can't. His. job is to defend the crazy things.

>> And meanwhile, like Jimmy Kimmel is. sitting fat and pretty in some I'm sure. Brentwood or Beverly Hills or Bair. mansion, undoubtedly with coastline. views and multiple other homes. And it's. like, who are you? You're you're going. to mock the fact that money's tight now. that the donations are drying up and he. has no home to go home to. Like, that's. sick. There's like again like the lack. of any sort of consideration for. somebody who probably is hurting right.

now who and who really just wanted to. help people. Like, yeah, >> he didn't have to throw his hat into the. political ring, >> right? I saw some people I mean a lot of. another popular thing that I'm seeing on. the center left is this idea that uh I. well Republicans need to learn from. this. They're running these crazy social. media people who don't know anything for. for mayor. There was nobody else running. for mayor in Los Angeles. Spencer had. the nomination or not the nomination. There was no nomin Spencer was running. uh and succeeding as the Republican. because there were no other people. stepping up and and that's a problem.

that we have across the country. >> Wait, can can I just say something? If. if that's how they feel, why do I have. to look at Jack Jack Schllober for two. minutes? He's done nothing at Caroline. Kennedy's son. That's all he's done. He. went to Harvard. He went to Yale. And. literally all he accomplished after that. was like a couple week stint for I think. it was Vanity Fair writing about the. Democratic National Convention. That's. it. He did another two weeks for John.

Kerry um at the State Department, which. was obviously disastrous because it did. not lead to a full-time job. And now. he's running for office in New York. If. you really feel that like social media. game isn't enough, why did Nancy Pelosi. endorse that loser? >> Well, right. I mean, the other funny. thing about it is we don't have to even. go outside of LA. The other people in. Spencer's race didn't have much. experience. What was Karen Bass's. experience? She was a community. organizer before she got into politics. and then she burned the city down. Is. that okay? I mean, she's experienced, I'll give you that, at something. It was.

just doing something terrible. Like, she. was experienced at at massive damage. The worst fire in the history of the. city. And Nithia Ramen moved there in. what, 2015? I think she married some. rich Hollywood guy. Uh, and she's on. city council. That's okay. Like, that's. that's a nothing position. Um, that has. nothing to do with actually being the. executive of a city. She doesn't have. the experience either. None of these. people do. The experience thing is only. thrown at people who you don't agree. with with what what they're saying. What. was Spencer doing? He was getting up. there and saying um the this woman in in.

charge who represents the machine. Democrats is the reason all of our. houses burned down and we can't rebuild. them. One. Number two, this these are. the people who are responsible for the. homeless drug addicts in front of the. school where you were trying to take. your kids. Uh this is wrong. Um those. are the things that they don't want. people to face because they're real. things that really resonate with voters. and uh and to face them is to face in a. one party state the failure of the. Democrats. Uh they can't do that. They'll do anything to not face that.

>> Jack Schlashberg wrote for Vogue even. worse for a couple of months. Um and. that's it. That's all he's accomplished. And for that you get endorsed by Nancy. Pelosi because you're the son of a. Kennedy. And um that's enough for them. I do want to round back to something we. said during our Carmelo Anthony. discussion. It again. they were they were gaslighting us. There was I knew there there was. testimony that Hunter held his dying. twin brother Austin in his arms as as.

Hunter as Austin was dying. And I got. that from their father who testified to. it during the penalty phase of the. trial. He got up there and said that. that was the case. And there was another. witness. There was a witness named. Joshua Redmond. This is during the. course of the actual trial who's an Army. veteran and current defensive. coordinator at Liberty High School who. testified that he had to physically move. Hunter off of Austin, whom he was. holding so that he could treat Austin's.

wound. Um, and he described Hunter as. having been freaking out when it was. happening. Of course, how dare they get. up there? I mean, like, what is the. point? And how dare that so-called. journalist, I don't know what she. considers herself, fail in not following. up on that matter and and actually just. pinning them down. A, it is true. There. was testimony to the fact. And B, who. cares? What point are you trying to. make? Okay, back to this other news that. we're discussing. Um, I want to ask you.

about this because I find this very. interesting. I'm very worried about AI. I'm worried about AI for sure. And um I. went on Shawn Ryan two weeks ago and I. said to him, "If if we're doing this, if. we're really going like balls to the. walls with with uh all this AI and the. hundreds of billions of dollars that are. being invested in all these tech. companies now to develop it and develop. it fast and before China, the American. public should have a piece of it. They. should have a piece of it. Their kids. are not going to have jobs. A lot of the.

adults are going to have their. livelihoods wiped out. um why why shouldn't they participate as. opposed to just making Sam Alman a. trillionaire and all the others like. him? And I've been thinking about this. for a while. I'm not a socialist, but. like when it comes to this particular. thing that's going to wipe out some huge. share of jobs in America, yeah, I'm I'm. I am in favor of doing something. Enter. Bernie Sanders. I like starting to. believe in a lot of what Bernie Sanders. am I? I don't I just this one thing. actually, but listen what he's saying.

Stop 38. >> The foundation of AI is our collective. human intelligence. Our books, songs, artwork, journalism, computer code, scientific research, videos, conversations, images, and ideas. spanning generations. As Sam Olman himself acknowledged, AI. models were trained on our quote. collective experience, knowledge, and. learnings of humanity. End quote. The.

reality is that big tech oligarchs have. fed this knowledge into their AI models. without permission, acknowledgment, or. compensation. In other words, the creative work of. millions and hundreds of millions of. people has been stolen by the wealthiest. people in the world. The time has come. to reclaim what was stolen from us.

>> What do you make of it? >> Um, I hate to disagree with you. Love to. be on the same side. >> No, go for it. >> I think. >> No, no, I love. >> I think Bernie is a genuinely evil. person. I think this is the face of. communism. I think it's really. dangerous. I I want to lay out though. first of all like what I where I see you. all coming from. Um if what has been. said about AI is accurate and we're. looking at the obliteration of all human. jobs and then it's like a giant question.

mark about how that's supposed to work. out for us. Of course people are going. to be upset and of course that's a. problem. Um that I that completely. resonates with me. I think the messaging. around AI is really bad. I think the. reason it's bad is complex, but maybe. just the big two reasons are one, genuinely no one knows what's going to. happen anytime there's an authentic. paradigm shift, technological paradigm. shift happening. It's just like really. confusing to be able to to predict to. predict what it means to have um. artificial intelligence in the world. But then two, I think the big model labs. are incentivized to be like this is the.

most powerful thing in the world. Um I. think it's really good. I or really. powerful. I think a lot of things are. going to change. I think it's not yet. clear what that looks like. I think a. lot has been made of the job loss in. tech that's not actually accurate. Um I. see a lot of evidence that uh those. numbers are kind of hyperinflated. Um I. I think when it comes to you know like. let's say this is as powerful it's like. more decisive more important than uh the. development of the atom bomb or. something which is another thing that.

these people a lot of the people working. on this stuff have said. Um, I I maybe. would understand the idea of like, okay, well, let's get the government involved. somehow. Let's get the public involved. somehow. At that point, what I would. want is for the government to purchase. um this the stake uh not just seize it. like this is Joseph Stalin going after a. miracle invention that has been invented. by. >> my husband's got a book out on this. right now. Honestly, I wasn't even. thinking of it, but my my husband just. wrote a book called The Lost Empire of. Emanuel Nobel, who is the guy who.

created the Russian oil fortune, which. was his his his family's company until a. man named Joseph Stalin came along and. uh decided that needed to end and it. needed to belong to the federal. government. My idea on Sean Ryan was we. should use it to pay down the national. debt. Whatever huge portion of it we're. going to take, it wouldn't be like a. check to people at home. it would be. something to pay down that 30 trillion. plus. >> Well, so of course this is the reason. that it's being used by people like. Bernie Sanders at this point. It's like. this is the same reason we're talking. about a wealth tax in California. It's.

always how do we demonize these random. nerds with a lot of money uh in any way. that we can that's going to take blame. off of the government for us in. a million different ways. We start with. the national debt. We could talk about. the cost of housing. Um it's like why. isn't Bernie Sanders talking about mass. migration? We know that the it's like. why does the law of supply and demand. always matter in any other case other. than you know millions of people moving. to a country that can't build housing? You know when are we going to address. that? It's like we're not going to do. that. They they they need they need a.

scapegoat to talk about. Now that's. unfortunate. I think that the model labs. themselves are talking about you know. how do we get the public involved? I. think they've talked about I think I. think they might even want. nationalization themselves. I think all. of these things are potentially in the. future. But in a world where we it's. like a question mark and we don't yet. know how everything is going to shape. out with the technology itself. Um there. is no way there's no reason at all to. have language so I incredible as like. you stole this from us and we are going. to hurt you now um because of it. We're.

going to we're going to take it. Like it. just nothing has justified that. And uh. and what I want is to just ask Bernie. Sanders like what has he done? How has. he made the world better? when you take. the money, let's just say that you take. it. Let's get communism. Fine. Here's. all the money. What are you going to do. to help me? Because I've had tax. increases my entire life. Everyone in my. family has. I come from a super middle. class uh to to even lower middle class, I would say, when I was very very young. family. No one in my family has ever. been benefited from a tax increase.

Like, we've never gotten any of the good. Okay? It's like only the tax. increases. I've never seen anything. Anytime they want to raise money to help. us, it's like it's never actually. helped. So, how is this theft going to. help? Um, that's the wealth tax in. California. It's the same exact. question. It's like, how is this. actually going to fix anything for the. average person? And I think that their. answer is like it's not. And the real. reason Bernie Sanders and is going after. these companies and the real reason the. people in California are the unions in. California are going after billionaires.

is because they see tech people as a. counterpoint to. uh to machineleft power. It is. completely a game of power. They see a. threat to their power. Elon Musk bought. Twitter and people lost their minds. They said, "Holy if you have. enough money in this country, the. machine can't the the machine can't have. a monopoly anymore." Now, it is worth. being like, "Well, who are these tech. elite and what do they believe? And are. they going to make the world better?". Maybe not. But the Democrats, I don't. think like Bernie are even looking at it.

that way. The way they're looking at it. is just like this is a threat to my. power. They don't care about you. They. don't care about your children. They. care about power. And so, you might be. aligned on the question of like AI makes. me nervous. And I think you would be. right to be. It's it's a new thing. We. should all be nervous a little bit. I. think there's reason to be hopeful as. well. I mean, there are all potential, you know, manner of opportunities. >> during pancreatic cancer in drug. Yes. Drug discovery and medicine. How can you. not get in a self-driving car in San. Francisco and and and not be like, "Holy.

I'm in a this is a this is like. the Jetsons, right?" Like, there are. things that are coming that are cool. Uh. but there are also like every technology. um everything's a trade-off. And yes, there are unlimited dangers there that. we should discuss, but people like. Bernie should should just like. absolutely be run out of politics. They're I think they're really a cancer. and a scary cancer. And you want people. on your side who can resist these these. guys. I know in California it's like. once the billionaire tech people are. gone. There's no one standing up against. the hard left anymore. They're the last.

ones. They're the reason we have a. modicum of of of reason right now in San. Francisco. A modicum. our mayor is a. more moderate guy now and things are a. little bit better. It has nothing to do. with anyone other than those guys that. Bernie wants to eliminate. And I I think. that that's actually what's happening. here and what this conversation is. really about. >> I I take your point. I'm like I do see a. distinction between the billionaire tax. in California and what are we going to. do about these tech oligarchs who are. going to be trillionaires while they. take away our kids' jobs. Like that.

seems really unfair and wrong and. morally morally evil. But, you know, we'll get there when we get there. I we. got to start thinking about I will say. the other thing in in in the tech. company's defense. You gave those two. points. I think number three is. >> they are not natural spokespeople. We've. seen that like. >> love Elon, but he I wouldn't compare him. to like Reagan when it comes to the. great communicator. >> Mark Zuckerberg admittedly is the same. He always mentions it when he testifies. at these trials about how inept he is at.

communicating. Sam Alman, total. disaster. So, like I'd be much more. worried if it was like the American. Conference of Trial Lawyers who's. building this thing because they could. get out there and actually spin us. They. could sell, they could argue, they could. linearly, you know, logical reasoning on. us uh as as long as the day is long. And. but these guys, they're not that great. at it. Mike, you're a better. spokesperson. >> Well, thank you. I mean, I I think. you're right. They're disasters at this.

stuff. This is like I mean the very. first thing is why would you be. messaging these dystopian scenarios at. all and it's because a lot of these are. just nerdy people who read a lot of. science fiction. They think this is. possible. It is pos I mean of course. everything is possible. Um but I mean. yeah the messaging has been a complete. disaster. Uh and it's being capitalized. I mean Democrats want to talk about job. loss now. You want to talk about kids. not having jobs? What is mass migration. doing? Are you joking? What? Like in the. world of tech? We could start just with. tech and we could talk about the H-1B. fiasco. Like there is nothing but.

evidence that the Democrats don't care. about Americans having jobs. Like. nothing. And then now they want what. they they they they want they want. they're going to say they care about. jobs, but but also we need mass. migration. It's like of course they. don't care about these things. Um I. think it's possible. I think it's such a. hard thing to talk about because again. um you're building something genuinely. new. I think there's that always comes. with opportunity, tremendous opportunity. that is difficult to see. Whereas we're. humans and we're wired to identify.

danger and that and that's good. You. know, that keeps us alive, but it it it. can also mean sometimes that we're at. risk of destroying something that could. really be beneficial. Now, I think it's. good to be vigilant. I'm glad that you. are and I'm glad that uh Ryan is and all. of these people are. I mean, again, people in tech are as well. It's like a. huge topic of conversation. Um maybe the. defining topic of conversation in tech. right now. Um, but I think you don't. ever want to take the side of someone. who would only want to destroy something. to destroy it, not to help anyone else.

>> Yeah. And if and who has a pattern of. trying to destroy just successful. Americans just just out of I don't know, bitterness, envy, greed, or more. communist Yeah. >> type philosophy. >> A pleasure to see you again, Mike. It's. just made me miss you all the more. Please come back again. >> Thank you for having me. Mike Salana. Everybody check out Pirate. Wires. You will be glad you did. We are. back tomorrow. We'll see you then.