Karmelo Anthony Supporters Cry Racism, and UK Leaders Downplay Near-Beheading By Migrant

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show. You're going to. want to tune into the whole show today. because in our second hour we have an. important update, many of them, about. what's going on in Northern Ireland. after an attempted beheading by a. Sudanese migrant. You need to hear. what's going on with his important story. and what it means for Western. civilization. We have that covered, but. first we were live on YouTube yesterday. when a jury in Collin County, Texas. convicted Carmelo Anthony of murder for. his April 2nd, 2025 stabbing of.

17-year-old Austin Metcalfe at a track. meet in Frisco, Texas. Carmelo was also. 17 at the time. He's now 19 at the time. of trial. And last night that same jury. sentenced Carmelo Anthony to 35 years in. prison, rejecting the defense argument. that he acted with {quote} sudden. passion, which could have reduced his. sentence to just two years. Two years. The sentence would have allowed it to be. knocked way down, and 35 years is.

outside the range that would have been. acceptable had they accepted sudden. passion as a mitigating factor. Clearly, the jury said no. Carmelo now in the. custody of the state, as you can see on. the screen, this is his post-conviction. mugshot. I mean, you can't help but see. how young he is. He's This is so sad. He's so young. He's. a good-looking kid. He had his whole. life ahead of him. And as I said on the air yesterday, this.

was like a murder-suicide. He murdered Austin Metcalfe and he. suicided himself in a way. His whole. life is gone. Gone. I mean, he's going to be eligible for. parole in 17 and a half years, about the. same amount of time that Hunter. um. that that Austin Metcalfe was on this. earth. But this is a tragedy all around. He. ruined his own life and he took Austin's. life.

Austin's father, Jeff, his mother, Megan, and his twin brother, Hunter, giving victim impact statements. after the sentencing. It's very weird. how they do things in Texas. I like. after the sentencing? Um. by the way, Carmelo's parents reportedly. failing to stick around to hear from the. Metcalfs. and Carmelo refusing to look his. victim's family in their eyes despite. their request that they do so. Parents. did not stick around. for the son's sentencing proceeding. I.

mean, this is just. obviously, this is how this kid got this. way. There's something wrong with the. parents, okay? There is. According to the Daily Mail's Mary Ann. Martinez, Austin's father. just went off on Carmelo saying, quote, "You failed your parents. You failed. yourself. You failed society, and you. don't belong in this community.". Continuing, quote, "You're going to. prison. You can't even look me in the. eyes right now, but you can stab my. son in the heart." Oh my god,

the anguish. This poor father. I would just you can't even. you can't even understand it, right? The family not speaking to reporters. after the sentencing, but they did. appear with Collin County DA Greg. Willis, the Metcalf family, as he. praised the verdict. Watch. >> Today, justice was served. A year ago, when this senseless murder. unfolded, I said that it had struck a deep nerve. in Collin County and far beyond.

I asked our community to ignore all the. noise. and instead be level-headed and patient. as the process worked. And today, the process delivered. accountability. I'm especially honored to be joined here. today by. Jeff and Megan Metcalf and their son, Hunter. Their strength and grace through this. has been unremit- Their strength and. grace throughout this unimaginable. journey.

has been inspiring. They won't be taking questions at this. time, but their presence here speaks. volumes. about their commitment to seeking. justice for Austin. >> Here for reaction are attorney and. co-host of MK True Crime Show, the MK. True Crime Show Positively Legal, Mark. Eiglarsh, former litigator and Rumble. creator Viva Fry, and for her first. appearance on the MK Show independent. journalist Sarah Fields, who [music] has. been covering this case soup to nuts and. was in the courtroom throughout.

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>> Great to have you all. Sarah, let me. start with you. Um can [music] you just describe the. atmosphere as we went off the air before. they came back? They took a break after. the jury verdict of guilty was handed. down and then they came back for the. sentencing. hearing. We heard the mother's. testimony. We didn't hear it. We weren't. in the courtroom. But then then things. got very emotional as I understand it. from when things resumed, when we got. the sentence handed down, and then when. Austin's family started taking the. stand. Can you walk us through it?

>> Yes. Um so during sentencing, you could. visibly see Carmelo, uh. he was visibly shaking. Um Mike Howard had his hand on his. shoulder and he was crying. Um. Of course, the the judge entered, the. jury entered, and they determined that. there was no sudden passion, and he was. given the 35-years sentencing. Um and I have I I wrote everything down. in my notes. I had I was literally in. the courtroom with just notepad and pen.

um cuz I wasn't allowed anything else. So everything is going off my notes. Um I wrote here that he should have. gotten life and I 100% believe he should. have. Um you just showed the press. conference that they had um and I. believe it was with Greg Willis and he. said justice has been served here today. and I don't personally I don't believe. that justice can ever really truly be. served here on this earth. Um. but I I would also like to point out. that during sentencing, the actual. sentencing of 35-years, um I did not I.

was not able to see Carmelo's parents in. the court in the courtroom at all. They were they were not inside the. courtroom during sentencing. Um so that was it. >> It is. It is unbelievable. It's also. unbelievable that um when he was given. the actual guilty verdict before. sentencing, there was a very large. amount of Carmelo Anthony supporters in. the courtroom. And right after he was. given the sentencing of or excuse me, right after he was given the verdict of. guilty, they all immediately left the.

courtroom before it was even before the. courtroom was even dismissed. They. turned in their badges and they all. left, which I thought was interesting. considering they all consider themselves. advocates of the Anthony family, but. they abandoned them probably during the. most difficult time of the entire trial. Um. >> Mhm. And then the parents have banned in. their son. >> Correct. Yes, and so during the during. the sentencing um. you could feel the tension in the room. Um you could feel the pain and the anger.

and the anguish. I was sitting directly. behind the Metcalf family. Um and you. could tell that they felt like it was. not enough because it's never going to. be enough. Um I mean Megan Metcalf said. that you've been given a sentence of 35. years behind bars and you should feel. lucky because I've been sentenced to a. lifetime without my son. >> Mhm. >> It was it was it was hard. It was hard for everybody in that room. >> brother Hunter took the stand. I can't.

imagine because they are identical. I. mean he he looks exactly like his. deceased twin brother. >> He does. Um when Hunter took the stand and gave. his victim impact statement, honestly, he was. very soft-spoken. He was very. respectful. He but he was very. straightforward. Honestly, I very. honorable young man. Um and the first. thing he did and you could tell that. this was kind of off um off his script,

but he asked Carmelo to look him in the. eye. He said, "Man, I just out of. respect, can you at least look up? Can. you at least look me in the eye while. I'm talking to you?". Um and Carmelo did look up for about 15. seconds, and then. that was he looked right back down and. did not look at Hunter for the remainder. of Hunter's victim impact statement. Um he just asked him to respect that, please, and he he refused to respect. that. He looked down for the majority of.

the. actually for all of the victim impact. statements. He was looking down. The. only time he looked up was when um. Hunter asked him to to look him in the. eye. And so but Hunter continued. He didn't. you know, after after he he decided to. look down, he didn't bring it up again, but. it basically just showed everybody where. uh Carmelo's heart is. Um but he just he. told him, he said, "You took someone. away who was supposed to be an uncle to. my children and a godfather to my. children." And he said, "Eventually,

your name will be forgotten, but my. brother's legacy will live forever.". And Carmelo still refused to look him in. the eye. >> Wow, that's so emotional. The. the mom and the dad, can you describe. them and how they were on the stand and. the the the impact you think they had in. that courtroom? >> Um. yes. Megan Metcalf, um. you you can you can feel anger. Uh I would definitely say that one of. the number one emotions that you could.

feel was anger, um and rightfully so. Megan Metcalf, um was very clear-spoken. It was. she definitely wanted every single word. to burn in the brain of Carmelo for the. rest of his life. But she said that um. that morning, which she's speaking of. the morning of April 2nd, she got her. morning hug and an I love you. She said. that uh. Austin was a really good hugger. And she said, "I did not know that it. would be the last time that I would feel. his arms around me.".

And then like I said before, she said. that you've you know, you've been given. a sentence of 35 years and you should. feel lucky. Because not none of them all of them. have been sentenced, you know, a. lifetime without Austin. Carmelo's head was still down during. that time. Jeff was quite a bit more. colorful and he definitely went off. script and I don't I don't blame him. I. kind of had a feeling he would um. because that's that's who Jeff is. um and he was very passionate and he was.

very angry. During his um victim impact. statement he shared a video with. everybody that was in the courtroom and. he let it play while he spoke and during. that video he basically played a series. of pictures and video footage of Austin. and Hunter together just uh living their. lives from the time that they were. babies all the way up until they were. teenagers. um and it definitely made it. so much even more impactful than it had.

already was cuz we got to watch that. while we listened to Jeff and um. he he said he they were robbed. and he begged Carmelo to not look down. He said, "Don't look down.". But Carmelo continued to look down. He. would never look at Jeff. Um. and he said that if you asked me what my. son's death did to me, it destroyed a. part of me. And he meant that when he said it. destroyed a part of me, it it was a part.

of him that he was never going to get. back. He also said that people think. that grief is trauma and he said it's. not, it's rage. And when he screamed, he. screamed rage and he slammed his fist on. the table in front of him. Um. everybody was very quiet and um. everybody was. sobbing. He said a piece of him died with his son. but he's still expected to keep living. It was it was hard. >> When when he was finished, when he was. done with his victim impact statement,

because he was getting because you could. definitely tell that he was very angry. A deputy walked up to him and escorted. him. around the courtroom and as he walked. around the courtroom, he stared a hole. into Carmelo. He just stared at him the. entire time he walked past him. Um. but he controlled himself and he was. able to sit back down and I'm glad that. he I'm honestly glad that he went off. script script because it felt so much. more raw and it needed to be.

>> Was it just the three family members and. then and then that concluded and then. was that the end of the proceedings? >> Uh there was one other victim impact. statement that was given by Austin's. aunt. She's was She was the first ones. There were actually four. It was. Austin's aunt, then Megan Metcalf, then. Jeff Metcalf, then Hunter. Um. >> [clears throat]. >> Austin's aunt is was like I said the. first and she. said that she received the phone call. from Megan and she said that on the on.

the morning of April 2nd and she said. that her sister's screams on the phone. will always haunt her and the one. question that will always remain with. her is why. And it was right around this time that I. noticed that Carmelo's mom and dad was. not in the courtroom. >> Mhm. And then we don't we don't have an. answer to why all these months later. without them you know having put the. defendant on the stand. even the mother in her attempt to plead. for a lesser sentence. wasn't able to provide a why. We have no.

idea why. I mean, we have speculation. We have my own speculation. In fact, I'd. like to ask you about it because. my own speculation yesterday on the air, Sarah, and you've been a lot closer to. this case than anybody really not not. representing somebody um. is that this family is they they've. leaned into racial grievance. That why what else explains the hiring. of this Dominique Alexander who's a race. hustler. not to mention. a baby beater.

>> Mhm. >> as their family spokesperson who is. injecting race into this calling the. family the racist. um suggesting this is some sort of white. supremacist. zero evidence of that. Um so he decides to smear this hurting. innocent family after his client's son. took their son's life and the family. stood there. The mother and dad stood. there and let him do it trying to look. like victims like they were the victims. holding each other. They're not the. victims. They're not the victims. Their.

son is the victimizer. The victim was. Austin and his entire family. So I don't I mean what is the story with. this Dominique Alexander who continues. not only to go after the Metcalfs but. you too has taken aim at you. I. understand the father of Carmelo Anthony. has taken aim at you. You're a reporter. who's been covering this. What can you. expand on that? >> Yes. Dominique Alexander became was was very. angry last year because I not only.

exposed him as a felon which anyone. could have exposed him for that but I. also thoroughly investigated his. organization called Next Generation. Action Network and determined. through documentation which you can look. at all of it. I shared all the receipts. on my platforms. He is what is known as. 501c3 hopping which means that he. bounces from 501c3 to 501c3 without. submitting appropriate documents to the. IRS.

His organization has also not revealed. their financial statements in years. Um and so the one of the ways I was able. to determine where they get some of. their money from is by going to other. organizations that are similar and. looking at their financial documents and. then discovering through there that they. that. >> [clears throat]. >> Next Generation Action Network was. receiving donations in the amount of six. figures from other organizations that.

were funded by George Soros. So, a lot. of that. reporting definitely got a lot of. attention. as well as of course his his background. of shaking a two-year-old to the point. of brain damage, family violence, getting into violent. fights and his participation in the some. of the Dallas riots years ago. And. he got very angry that that got millions. of views and he made that clear at his. press conference. when he honestly very stupidly show.

excuse me. pulled up a printout of one of my. um. one of my ex ex posts that actually was. revealing a threat towards me where they. said that they were going to rape me and. he printed that out and held it up at. his press conference and said, "This is. Sarah Fields. Never heard of this woman. and she's getting millions of views.". And he was clearly angry and definitely. put a target on my back from all of the.

racists that definitely follow him and. pay attention to him. Um it. yeah. And so. there was also individuals who consider. themselves and call themselves the. advocates for the Carmelo Anthony. family. There's one individual by the. name of Tiffany Billions aka Tiffany. Mcadoo. who says that she is the chosen advocate. for the Anthony family and when she said. this it was on a live stream and Drew. Anthony was on the live stream with her.

and did not deny that she was a chosen. advocate for the family and they. proceeded to spread rumors that I had. sent people to his job to get him fired. which is 100% not true that I had. arranged with groups from Jeff. Metcalfe's church to. go harass him at his job, which was not. true, and he participated in all of. these lies. So, I'm actually in the in. the process of a civil suit against Drew. Anthony Tiffany McAdoo and Charleston. White right now.

>> Wow. I mean, I don't blame you one bit. That. that just just for being. a great reporter, they seem to have. targeted you, which says a lot. I'm. sorry about the Anthony family. None of. it good. That that they're participating in this, that their chosen spokesperson is. leading this, and that their chosen. spokesperson is again a baby abuser. >> Right. >> Um who, as you point out, brutally. abused a 2-year-old baby. It's awful. Um so, we don't know the why, but it. doesn't seem like the most outstanding.

family. Meanwhile, Viva and Mark stand. by Sarah. So happy to have you here, and. thank you for that gripping description. yesterday. >> Thank you. >> Um. meanwhile, this is this is what we're. hearing. Okay, this is I'm just I have a. lot of sound I want to get through. because I want to show you guys we were. all together yesterday. The the reaction that we're getting now. in the wake of the verdict and the. 35-year-old sentence for 35-year. sentence. Here is attorney Thelma. Anderson. She went on Roland Martin's. YouTube show.

and said the following She's an. attorney. I don't know where she went to. law school or what her credentials are, but she's a disgrace. And here's what. she said in Top 21. >> First and foremost, um the one thing. that I would ask for people to do at. this moment is pray for. the Anthony family because they have. been legally lynched for the last year. And. more so by this slaughterhouse of a. courthouse as well as the family of the.

Metcalfes. So, the energy right now is very white. supremacy. They have shown up to be the pigs that. they display with hate. They are celebrating. the loss of life and the loss of. freedom. So, that's the energy. We have a devastated family. who didn't know that they was going to. have to let their son go back into a.

hold, though. Because we have an overzealous. prosecutor. who lied throughout this trial, who put. on liars as witnesses. in order to be. a saving grace for the white community. so that they can win an election. >> This is unbelievable. I I don't know. Viva, do you want to take that one? >> No, I'll just quote from Billy Madison. What we just heard is the most insanely. idiotic thing I've ever heard. At no.

point in that rambling nonsense. This is. what the major issue is in terms of. I see aggravating factors to the murder. is the total lack of contrition. Like, there was not 1 oz of remorse, one. moment of expressed regret. There's some. things that are irreversible and you. can't take them back, but you can. certainly. beg for forgiveness. But, to to to. mobilize and to weaponize manufactured. racism to victimize the victim again in.

death and to have I don't know who the. hell that woman is, but it's it's not. just insanely idiotic, it's it's wildly. dangerous to say that they're. celebrating the loss of life in the wake. of a murder and to suggest that any form. of justice is. white supremacy racism as opposed to. taking responsibility for that which is. unforgivable and irreversible, but maybe. if there was the slightest degree of. contrition from anyone involved in that. family, there might be some form of of.

or or openness to forgiveness from the. family. They they make everything worse. That family, everyone representing them, has made everything worse. And the. idiots on the bandwagon jumping behind. this manufactured garbage of racism and. white supremacy in order to justify what. Carmelo Anthony did, it it it adds. insult to the injury and you know. >> Yeah. >> the punishment is not harsh enough. Had. he been a child, you know, a 17-year-old. child, had he come out, begged for. forgiveness, said I don't know why I did. what I did, there was no reason for it, as opposed to a.

an organized orchestrated demonizing of. the victim's family, it's absurd and. it's unforgivable. >> We we have never heard him throughout. this process say the words I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I killed your son. Never. The closest we got was his mother on the. stand yesterday after he'd been found. guilty saying being asked, does he. regret what he did? Yes, he regrets. That's it with no color, you know, not.

not able to really explain how this is. deeply affected him as a man, he. understands that he's taken the life of. another man, a young man with his life. ahead of him and the pain that he's. inflicted on the Metcalfe family. None. of that, none of that. Instead, we have. the family out there through their. spokesperson again with these race lies. and now their supporters like Thelma. Anderson out there calling the Metcalfes. white supremacists pigs with hate. Pigs with hate. Honestly, that.

I it's like. I'm going to I'm going to be nice and. move on from her because she's too. stupid to spend a lot of time on. She's. not the only one, Mark. Yesterday, we. heard. this from a Carmelo Anthony supporter on. Austin's brother, Hunter, outside of the. courthouse. This is via Nick Sorder, sat. 22. >> I forgot that HIS TWIN HIS WOULD have. been with him. you, see? >> They should have both been arrested. >> That's not my fault.

>> Okay, you can't really understand her, but what she's saying is both of them. should be dead. Both of them. And and honestly, it's like we're. hearing a lot about that as though. somehow the twin brother for being the. same size as Austin and being there no.

he has he didn't do anything but somehow. he's culpable too. It's like they need. to find a demon here other than Carmelo. Anthony and they seem to have settled on. if not Sarah in the case of the dad and. the spokesperson the Metcalfe family, the victims, Mark. >> Yeah, all right. So, let's break this. down non-emotionally. Here's what I ask everyone, especially. that woman who doesn't deserve the 5. seconds on your show. Let's just say that the victim. was black.

and let's say the perpetrator was white. Same facts here. So, they'd go, "Yeah, it's okay. I mean, justifiable, you know, no no problem. We're not going to protest.". That would be intellectually dishonest, right? So, those who are claiming that. the jury got it wrong, that the. prosecutor shouldn't have been bringing. this case, that somehow this was. self-defense. they're not to be taken seriously. Makes. no sense. The 35 years, I'll go on record and say.

that that's fair. I think that if you to to Sarah's point, I appreciate the emotion because as a. father of three, you know, nothing is is is harsh enough. I I get that. I understand why Sarah. says it should be more, but let's just. take it to the extreme. Let's say there. was no due process in this country and. the laws allowed the twin brother to. stand in open court. and sentence him to plunging that same. knife that killed his brother into the. chest of the defendant. That still.

wouldn't be enough. It wouldn't take. away the pain that this caused. It still. wouldn't serve as the deterrent that we. want the sentence to to be. So then we. have to get level-headed because that's. what justice is about. And we say as. Aristotle said, you're supposed to. sentence people with like cases being. treated alike. So the question is what. do you do you factor in the fact that he. was 17 year old at the time? Okay, so. maybe he doesn't deserve a life sentence. because of that with no prior record. The facts and circumstances Yeah, all of.

that, but those are what we call, if. we're if we're being intellectual about. this, those are mitigators. And he then. is being compared with other people who. are charged and convicted under the same. statute who said, "I'm going to go over. there for some no reason whatsoever, and. I'm going to kill someone." And I'm 40. years old and I have a record dating. back to the disco crisis, if that's even. mathematically possible. Um and and that. person should be given life, and those.

who are like this. 35 years absolutely I think is a fair. sentence under the circumstances. He. will serve a minimum of 17 and a half. years, cannot get out earlier, and. likely he will not get parole. He will. likely not get parole. >> Hey, thanks for watching today's full. episode. If you're new here, throw us a. subscribe. See what you think. Stay in. touch. There's plenty more goodness. where this one came from. As always, we. really do value your feedback. So email.

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doesn't feel like a just sentence to me, either. >> It does not. Um can can I also bring up the fact that. when Kayla Hayes took the stand, it was. very brief. And pretty much one of the. only things that she. asked the jury was to please take mercy. on. Kayla Hayes, which is the mother of. Carmelo, when she took the stand. regarding the sentencing. Yes, she she. kept her maiden name. So, her name is Kayla Hayes. But, she just said asked the jury please. take mercy on my son.

Please take mercy on my baby is what I. think I believe I remember her saying. And when Bill Werskey, who is the. prosecutor, when he stood up and asked. her, are you still going to be able to. see your son even in prison? And she. said, yes. Will your son still be able. to spend time with his family even, you. know, during visits from prison? And she. said, yes. And then that was it. He had. no no further questions for her because. he already he already proved his point. I'd also like to say that.

it was brought up, you know, all the. lying. all the rumors and everything about. Hunter. It's it's absolutely ludicrous, but. they've been doing this from the very. beginning. Literally, the first week. that the murder occurred, they've been. going after Hunter. They've been. spreading rumors that Hunter, >> [clears throat]. >> along with two other boys, actually. attacked Carmelo. They purposely went to. go view the footage at Frisco ISD and. then have their names put on a list as. if a way as if that would add. credibility to them when they said, see.

here I went to go see the video and this. is what the video shows. And they. started rumors from the from about the. video from the very beginning. I saw the. video. I did not I did not see clearly. the same video that they saw because. they claimed that in the video he was. attacked by four boys and that all these. all these crazy things. Carmelo was. attacked, he crab walked backwards, and they literally were starting. campaigns and petitions to have Hunter. arrested and charged with the murder of. his own brother. And those petitions are still up online,

by the way. And the rumors that were. spread by these by these people who. claimed who said that they saw the. video, they're still those lies are. still being spread today that he was. attacked. Um Dominique Alexander uh went. live right after the sentencing and lied. and said it was an all white jury. It's. not an all white jury. Um he's just. angry because there were no black people. on the jury. That's that and that's the. truth. Um they've they've literally been. lying from the very beginning and. spreading disgusting rumors about the. Metcalfe family from the very beginning.

And they're all very easily proven to be. lies, but even if you show them 100% the. facts and the evidence of what is. actually going on and what went on in. this case, they would still never. believe it because they're going to. stand by Carmelo because he's black. >> There was no support for these. allegations about a group piling onto. Carmelo Anthony at all at trial. One. witness tried to say, "Oh, from afar I. saw a group around him." And the. prosecutor disproved it by getting him. to admit that the group he saw in the. tent and the commotion was after Carmelo. stabbed Austin in the heart, which yeah,

did cause a commotion. And they I'm sure. they didn't want Carmelo Anthony leaving. at that point, but nothing nothing. prior. All of the witness testified that. Carmelo went in that tent. They asked. him to leave. He wouldn't leave. He. said, "Make me." And Austin placed hands. on him in a way that wasn't aggressive, wasn't violent, and he got stabbed in. the heart before. he could even remove the hands. I mean, it was instantaneous that he was dead. That's how this went down. There was no. ganging up on Carmelo Anthony of any.

kind. But that that messaging, those. lies, Viva, are why you get things like. this. This is on Twitter today. It's. making the rounds. Um. he he appears to be from Texas, and. here's his warning in Sat21A. >> Collin County, Dallas, Texas, Arlington, Grand Prairie, Irving, Dalworthington, Plano, Denton, Keller, IT AIN'T SAFE FOR. NONE OF YOU WHITE FOLKS TO COME OUT THIS. WEEKEND. I'M GIVING Y'ALL A FAIR WARNING. RIGHT NOW. And guess what? It's going TO.

BE A BUNCH OF OUTSIDE THAT LOOK. LIKE ME AND WE AIN'T OUT THERE WITH NO. POCKET KNIVES. WE OUT THERE WITH THESE. I guarantee Y'ALL Y'ALL GOING TO PAY FOR. WHAT THAT JUDGE just did to Carmelo. IF. YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, BRING Y'ALL BOLD. ASS OUT THIS WEEKEND AND PUT ON YOUR. AUSTIN-EAST HIGH SCHOOL SHIRTS AND SEE. WHAT HAPPEN TO YOU. >> OKAY, I'm sorry, but Viva, that's that. kind of nonsense is a direct result of. the lies put out there by Dominique. Alexander, the lies that were just put. out by Roland Martin who didn't.

challenge his lunatic guest, Thelma. Anderson who is making things up about. the family being white supremacist pigs. That like the the reporting around this. has been so irresponsible in some. corners and indeed we've seen some of it. on social media that you've got people. incensed believing some of the lies that. have been put out there that Sarah just. documented for us. >> I I I said like I refuse to believe that. these are real people and I refuse to. believe that these are genuine sincere. people expressing their genuine and.

sincere beliefs, but and I'm not trying. to be glib when you realize like not. everybody is equally as intelligent or. has a IQ or an EQ above a certain point. and when they're relying on the. misinformation and disinformation out. there above and beyond being, you know, there's a lot of dumb people out there. who are now having access to social. media, having access to a bullhorn and. having access to news that they don't. know how to interpret if accurate and. disinformation that they don't know how. to distinguish when presented with it. and then coming out and like thinking. that they're the righteous ones in doing.

this. The the the craziest uh statement. that people don't appreciate how just. how stupid it is is if Carmelo were. white, he would have gotten away with. the atrocity and this is an indication. that it's racially motivated. To which I. say like, do you not implicitly. understand that what you just. acknowledge is that it was an injustice, but you're not prepared to let Carmelo. off or grant him innocence on the basis. that you perceive that there would have. been had the races been reversed an. injustice by letting the white kid go. And so. you're dealing with people who are. illogical, ill-informed, and I'm not.

talking any race base or anything. This. is just like the aggregate knowledge of. the internet and the people that reach. it. You're dealing with people who are. uneducated, ill-informed, and very. highly motivated when core identity. issues like race become the pivotal. factor in their mind. So it it's the. result of. >> Yes. >> journalism. It's the result of people. who think that they are the heroes in. their own story. And I also dare say I'm. not convinced all of it is organic. stupidity. I think there is some. inorganic funding to this and you get. paid actors, paid agitators.

Sarah, I'm not sure if it was you who. said it, but someone said Oh, it was it. was Brandon Morrello who said it's tough. to believe, but this guy that was. flipping out when the cameras were on. was totally normal when the cameras were. off. And you know, my first reaction is, oh, it's almost like it's a paid. performance for the purposes of. destabilizing society and now fine, you. know, appreciating that there's a George. Soros connection to the funding of. >> Mhm. >> of of societal breakdown, it it makes. sense. But there's a lot of people that. just they they don't understand what. they don't even know and they're very, very proud of what they don't know.

>> Wow. Did you see any of that yourself, Sarah? Like the guy that who was acting. nuts yesterday being totally calm one. second, then when the cameras were on. freaking out? >> Um it's actually interesting that you. bring that up. So like I said, for the. majority of the time I was in the. courtroom. However, um my good friend that I refer to as. Sippy Cup um and you can follow him on. social media. He um he was up here with. me every single day the entire time and. he was in the parking lot the entire. time waiting for me to come out because. he wanted to make sure that I was safe.

um from these people because they have. threatened my life for a year and it's. definitely increased uh throughout the. trial. Um but he actually noted um and. told me the first couple of days that he. noticed whenever he would turn on the. camera or whenever they were aware that. they were on camera, they definitely. imme- immediately began to act uh uh. crazier. Um they would be a little bit. more calm beforehand. I mean, they're. all acting kind of crazy, but he said as. soon as that camera was turned on to. them, it's like they were getting any. form of attention whatsoever, they began.

to just act psychotic. Um and he noticed. it every single time. So, it may not. just be, you know, actors who are being. funded, it also is just because they are. simply receiving a little bit of fame, a. little bit of attention online, and that. excites them. Um this case is is not. serious to them. They They don't. understand that there's been a loss of. life. They don't understand that a. family is grieving. They don't care. about the family. They don't They only. care about um Carmelo Anthony and making.

sure that they get their few minutes of. fame on the camera um in order to get uh. you know, spread viral, even if all they. get is negative attention. Um I also. just wanted to uh make note of this as. well, and I'm sorry Mark and Vinnie, but. I'm going to I'm about to talk crap. about an attorney. Um but I I have I. take serious issue. >> don't mind. >> Okay, I take serious issue with Mike. Howard. Um I don't believe that there. was any. >> The defense lawyer. >> Correct. I do not believe that there was. a single fact um that was ever produced. by him that could have ever warranted.

self-defense in this case whatsoever. Instead, I think that he stated things. that actually made this worse and made. uh and actually encouraged the behavior. of some of these Carmelo Anthony. supporters that were in the parking lot. and that are all throughout Texas right. now. For example, during uh. sentencing, when he was giving his. argument, um he was asking everyone to consider. both sides. Um during the entire time, let me just make it clear, Bill. Wersquie, every time he spoke, he spoke. passionately, and he never spoke from a.

script. >> Correct. Um he never He never spoke from. a script. Mike Howard always spoke from. a script every time that he talked. Like. he Like it was all written out for him, and he was not saying anything. organically. He also, during uh his. argument for sentencing, he said that. it's not the fault of at this point he. said it's it's not Austin and Hunter's. fault, but he was asking them to. consider sudden passion due to Carmelo. being terrorized. So, which one is it? Is it Is it not the.

fault of of Austin and Hunter? Or or is it because he said that they. were being. it was a an. issue of terror. Is that that's why he. wanted them to consider sudden passion, which real quick I wanted also say when. he said that it sudden passion need to. be considered, I thought that was. interesting because I've been here since. day one and I was here during jury. selection and during jury selection the. jury pool was told that sudden passion. had to be off the table because sudden. passion more applied and they were.

talking about Texas law and they were. told that sudden passion could only be. considered and they gave an example of a. ranch hand walking into a barn and. watching his daughter being molested or. raped by someone and then taking the. life of that person. They described that. as sudden passion, but there is no fact. or evidence to support that this was. sudden passion, which made me grateful. that the jury rejected the. the notion of sudden passion for this. sentencing.

>> So, let me respond. Let me first I I. agree with Sarah. I think that the. defense lawyer did a horrible job in. certain areas. First and foremost by calling a witness. that he barely got to speak with that. went up there and said like you said. Megan earlier that there was a crowd. during the stabbing and and there. clearly wasn't. And when you do that, you lose credibility with the jury. That. should never have taken place. Additionally, additionally to call no. one other than his mother at sentencing,

man, there's people lining up who will. say he's a great kid, whether it's true. or not. Write out a script for the damn kid that. he pretends that he wrote himself and. get like to me that if there is. malpractice at sentencing, which there's. not, he committed it. So, I'm no huge. fan of his, and Sarah was there. If he's. reading from things, and he's not. speaking passionately to the jury like. the prosecution did, he was. out-lawyered. Shame on him. Bad, bad, bad. However,

if you want the sentence to stick, he. needs to be represented. We're talking. about due process. So, what's in it for. you guys? You need a lawyer. If that. lawyer gets up there and says, "They're. not going to get you. I am." and they. pointed their finger at their own. client, said he's bad and he's wrong, then that would come back on appeal. So, you need a lawyer who's up there. delivering effective assistance of. counsel, which means that they're making. arguments that are in the best interest. of the defendant. It wasn't a who done. it. He needed to argue the only legal.

argument that he could make is. self-defense. It doesn't mean that it. rose to the level of one that the jury. would embrace, but that's the only. argument he can make. And if he didn't, the case would come. back on appeal because someone would. say, correctly, that he failed to. provide him an adequate defense. >> Mhm. Fair enough. >> Arguing the sudden pa-. >> words like terrorize. I get it. I get. >> Sudden passion. >> It was It was offered as we discussed. yesterday. It did come back in a charge. of manslaughter.

>> Yeah. >> And they rejected it. Well, no, he was. terrible. He was terrible. I'm I'm not. mad at him because I'm happy that. there's a conviction. >> But he had to do his job. >> I'd be mad if I were the defendant. I I. do want to show you this. So, it's not. just like the we we were discussing. whether these people are misinformed by. Dominique Alexander, you know, the. family, social media, whatever it is. I. actually think that a fair amount of. them they're not misinformed at all. It's just a race thing. It's just like. that black woman said outside of the. courthouse 2 days ago. We're going to.

protect our own. Going to protect our. own. She said it outright. It's what. happened in O.J. for some some jurors. And I think that's how a lot of the. people outside of this courthouse. clearly feel. Then there's Jasmine Crockett. So, she's. a lawyer. I know it's shocking, but she. actually is a lawyer. She She gets out there on the internet. and actually has the following to say. about the size of the knife, start 25. Watch this. >> Was it a switch? I don't know what he. had. >> It was like a it was it seemed like it. was a multi-tool, almost like a Swiss.

Army knife. >> the Yeah, like with the little scissors. and everything and whatever. So, it was. small. >> Mhm. >> Well, I would have argued the size of it. alone, you wouldn't even think it's a. deadly weapon. And this is a. >> he had it in the bag. >> If If that's If it was one of the little. Like I I don't know. Like I I do think. >> why he went to his coach and was like, "But I don't think I hurt him that bad.". >> She's an idiot. That that was a. ridiculous statement to be made on so.

many fronts. It did the trick, Congresswoman Crockett. So, you know. it's a deadly weapon, okay? That was. insane. >> She was Yeah, she was so. >> for her? >> of disinformation. Yes, at a Houston, many people. Here's But she's her career. is over. Here's the second one. Listen. to this while she's trying to argue. that there was a deadly weapon there. other than the knife, and I'll let her. explain. Start 26. >> If a 300-lb man is beating me like on.

top of me and beating me down, I I'm not limited to to fist. You know, I would argue that even The. only time we go into things like. people's hands being considered deadly. weapons is typically like if they're a. professional boxer or that kind of. stuff, but I think By the time you start. getting to like football player, good argument. Good freaking argument. We're not talking about like the.

golfers. We're talking about football. players, right? Like this is what they. are trained to do is to inflict like. serious physical contact. Um and it's my understanding that the. decedent was. >> That is so dangerous. Assumes facts not. in evidence. I mean, he pushed him. That's it. To suggest to anyone watching. her, you'd erroneously think this 300-lb. person is pounding him, which would. change the facts. Would beat him. That's.

what she's erroneously suggesting. That. is. dangerous what she's doing. >> I I have to. >> If you wanted to create a race riot, would you talk differently than that, Viva? I mean, that's That's why I'm. saying she's not confused. She is just. going with the race thing and pandering. Her career's over. She's got She's got. to serve out her term, but she's in, you. know, redistricting has done her in. She's bitter. She's decided to lean into. this persona, and apparently it it. includes pandering to this panel of. other black women and one guy.

about how it's all Austin Metcalfe's. fault because of his hands. >> It is political and legal retardation, and there there's no other way to. explain it. It's It's like saying, "If" and I posit. a number of facts which are not the. facts at issue, well, if my grandmother. had testicles, she'd be my grandfather. She She She She posits facts that were. not only not in evidence, but. demonstrably false from the evidence, but she knows her base is riled up, racially motivated, and ill-informed.

because they're relying on her political. and legal retardation. And she comes up. with a with a factual pattern which, if. true, would have been entirely. different. Remember when. I think it's Raja Jackson Rampage. Jackson's son is wailing on that guy in. the in the wrestling match, just. pounding. Yeah. In a circumstance like. that, a knife or a gun, and you would be. totally totally justified. In a high. school shove, if it was that, which. there's a. that it wasn't, you want the immediate. now legally justified response to a high.

school shove to be stabbing in the. heart. And coming to the size of the. knife, it's as dumb as saying, "Well, it. was a low-caliber gun that he shot him. with. He didn't use a cannon or a. bazooka. He just used a Beretta or a. pistol." I mean, she she's she's an. idiot. I'm convinced also she is. actually just stupid, but she's. maliciously motivated. And the only. grift that they can get out of this, other than demonizing and dehumanizing. the victim, is to stir up a base that. they know is stupid, that they know is. ready for action, and willing to gobble.

down their lies because it makes them. feel good, and it gives them something. to feel good about themselves about. >> In all cases like this one, there's zero. evidence on the white supremacy on the. part of this family or this victim. Zero. evidence that he beat Carmelo Anthony in. any way, shape, or form. The evidence. that Carmelo went there looking for a. fight. That's what the evidence showed. And Sarah, I believe she's doing this as. a as a racial. tickler, for lack of a better term. She's trying to. incense people based on race because.

listen to how she went on to talk about. race in that same interview, stat 27. >> Black women, especially black women who. have black. male children, live in fear and agony every single day. A fear and agony that I promise you. the Metcalfs probably never spend a day. living that way.

>> And we're going to have to have just. some real conversations about race in. this country. >> Until he was murdered. I mean, it's. >> All right, that's our go ahead. >> To I'm I'm sorry. I just want to say to. them, Austin is not a victim. They are. the victim. They have all painted. themselves as a victim. They are perfect. They are. it's professional victimhood. And. without their professional victimhood, they would have they would have nothing. else. Um even the witnesses that Mike. Howard brought onto the stand agreed. that he was not surrounded and agreed.

that it was nothing but a push. So, it's all professional victimhood. >> it's a group of race hustlers who are. trying to create a race war. And. meanwhile, the the victims who happen to. be white haven't done any of that. They. haven't done any of that. It's the. perpetrators associates and supporters. who are trying to create a race war. here, even though this was a. black-on-white crime. It's totally. outrageous. All I have to say is enjoy. prison. That's where you belong. You are. so lucky you got a 35-year sentence. I.

would have sentenced you to 99 years, which was an option for this jury, and I. wouldn't have felt bad about it for 2. seconds. Good riddance. Panel, thank you. Very good to see all. of you. We appreciate it. Up next, we're. going to be covering the latest in. Belfast [music] after a near beheading. Missed calls and slow follow-ups are. silent killers. That's how businesses. leave money on the table without even. realizing it. That's why today's episode. is brought to you by Quo. It's spelled Q. U O. The business communication system.

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Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show. Several major developments in the. horrifying [music]. attempted beheading of a man in Belfast, Northern Ireland. The attack caught on. camera and shared worldwide. There is no. downplaying the horror of what unfolded. The victim pinned to the ground while. being repeatedly stabbed about his face. and neck. It was witnesses who described it as a. near beheading. The victim, now identified as. 41-year-old Stephen Ogilby, during a. court hearing today, it was revealed he.

lost his left eye and suffered severe. damage to his right eye as well, deep. cuts to his face, and lacerations to his. back. While not confirmed by authorities, locals say Ogilby is special needs and. was already hard of hearing. Neighbors. said the suspect had moved into the. neighborhood recently and that Ogilvie. was initially attacked by two people. Again, unconfirmed, but that is what at. least one eyewitness is reporting. The suspect is 30-year-old Hat Al Odeid,

a Sudanese national. He's now been charged with attempted. murder. He appeared in court today with. an Arabic interpreter. He did not speak. when asked questions by the judge and. appeared without any legal. representation. According to GB News, after he was arrested, he threatened. medical staff telling them, quote, "I'll. kill you.". The online news outlet Visegrad 24. releasing this photo of the suspect. All. smiles here.

Al Odeid entered the country through. what's described as an asylum loophole. Per the UK Telegraph, the so-called. Irish route involves migrants flying to. Dublin. from Europe, sometimes on false papers. That's in the Republic of Ireland. And then they travel unchecked up to. Northern Ireland, which is part of the. UK, by land to only then claim they fear. for their life and need asylum. So, this. guy went through Paris, France and then.

was in the Republic of Ireland before he. pled for asylum in Northern Ireland, which, as you guys know from our own. immigration problems here, if you've. been through two countries already, you. don't need asylum in Northern Ireland. You had two others. Why didn't we get. our asylum in Paris, France? They love. immigrants. Go there, right? I'm sure. that's how the people of Northern. Ireland are feeling today. But it's. Asylum is like, I just need to get out. of my country, which is war-torn, which. is the Sudanese is,

for safe for safety. Great. How do we. get out of France? How did he get passed. off to Ireland and how did Ireland pass. him off to Northern Ireland? These are. questions that are going to be examined. The incident that happened again in. Northern Ireland in Belfast is. triggering. wave after wave of protests across. Northern Ireland. Houses, buses, cars, and a supermarket were set on fire. yesterday and overnight. At one point a.

group of masked protesters going to. local migrant housing units kicking down. doors. They're just angry. They are They. are They've had it with the mass. migration. Same as we have. UK politicians like Prime Minister Keir. Starmer calling for calm saying any act. of violence is {quote} totally. unjustified. And in an astonishing moment on Sky News. indicative of some of the problem anchor. Cathy Newman uh She was with Channel 4.

for many years. She just recently joined. Sky. Rushed to her newsroom computer to. blame the so-called far right. taking issue with them for describing. what people saw with their own eyes to. saying that they were {quote} whipping. this up for their own ends. Watch this. >> So, let's look at how this story. unfolded on X. The attack happened soon. after 10:30 last night, 11:39 p.m. Tommy. Robinson, real name Stephen. Yaxley-Lennon, posts a video on X saying. horrific scenes in North Belfast tonight.

as an invader was caught trying to. behead a man in the middle of the. street. Now, the Restore MP, Rupert Lowe, uses. similarly strong language at 6:18 this. morning. If a migrant comes to our. country and attempts to saw a man's head. off in the street, a Restore Britain. government will not deport. With the. British people's approval, that savage. will be put to death. That is not. enough. These atrocities will keep. happening. The barbarians are already. inside the gates.

Now, 8:42 a.m. Nigel Farage joins in. What happened in Belfast last night is. horrific. The authorities must reveal. the identity and status of the attacker. immediately. The public are entitled to. the truth. 9:09 a.m. Alex Burghart for the Tories. says, last night there was an appalling. and brutal attack in North Belfast which. was met by extraordinary bravery by some. local people. So, the question is to. what extent far-right accounts on X are.

whipping this up for their own ends. >> Great. It She's got to really get her eye on. the ball. The The strong language being. used by the far right in response to. someone's head almost being chopped off. by an asylum seeker. Okay. Go Way to. have your. eye on the ball, madam. Joining me now, GB News host Will Kingston and Greg. Swanson is here as well. Greg is. chairman of Republicans Overseas UK, an. organization supporting American. Republicans living in the United. Kingdom. He's also the co-founder of the.

Hamilton Society, which is an. organization fighting for free speech, discourse, and debate. Guys, welcome to. the show. Um this is unbelievable. Will, we had you on not long ago. because you were railing about this. exact issue, how it was affecting the UK, and the. public's well, the media and some of. their representatives refusal. to get honest about this and instead. their knee-jerk adherence to like the. proper language so that nobody gets. offended. Now we're seeing attempted. beheadings in the street. It doesn't.

feel like people listen to you. >> No, they didn't listen, Megan. It's good. to see you again. One day I'll be able. to come on this show and chat about a. good news story in the UK, but but that. day is not today. Uh. the violence that you just referred to. was uh was atrocious. You know, no one. sensible is condoning it, but in many. ways. it is understandable, if not if you can't even though you. can't, can't condone it. This is human. nature. If you plead with a government,

if you tell them repeatedly that. there is huge problems in your community. that is being caused by mass migration. If you tell them that the multicultural. project has failed, and they continue to. gaslight you day after day after day. But more than gaslighting you, telling. you it isn't a problem, telling you that. you're the problem for using hurty. words, for sewing division, and for not. going along with their. you know, multicultural project. If you. feel like you're not being listened to,

then your natural instinct is to resort. to extreme measures. Now, that's not the. right thing to do. Absolutely not. If. you light someone's home on fire, you. should go to prison. But at the same. time, the government needs to understand. that they are complicit in this. They. are the ones who have driven people to. these extremes. But instead, once again, they're just going on about hurty words, social division. The lessons are still. not being learned, Megan. >> This is, I think, a tipping point, Greg, where.

it's just. I think the UK has had it. I think the. the citizens of the UK have had it. The. citizens of America have had it. And and. unlike they're kind of the UK's a little. bit woker than we are, and I think. they're drafting behind us when it comes. to our reforms, and the same on. immigration. And over here, it it did. take a couple of key things, unfortunately, like the murder of Laken. Riley is one of the things that comes to. mind before. people who were not of the right, and. not already complaining about this.

problem, realized it's gone too far, we. need to do something about it. Do Do you. think the UK's now at the at that point? >> Yes, definitely. I mean, the the. country's really demoralized right now, and it's it's the incidents like this, it's the it's the two-tiered policing. and two-tiered justice, and not all of. these things we've seen in the in the. US. I mean, I'm thinking about Sheridan. Gorman who was killed in Chicago by an. illegal migrant just a few months ago. And and you know, that's what really. hits home and I think it's hitting home.

in the UK, but it's not new either. It's. been you know, this has been a real. issue and it just you know, I think the. comments from Kathy Newman as well as. from the the government it just shows. the absolute disconnect and Will pointed. out the disconnect between the. government and the people. And the top. two issues not just in the United. Kingdom but but in Ireland where a lot. of time. The top two issues are cost of. living and mass migration. And what are. the top two issues they hear from the. government? Policing misinformation. which is code for censorship and net.

zero. So it's it's really sad and you. know, you understand the frustration of. the people now. >> It's not exactly the same issue Will, but on the heels of what happened with. Henry Novak, this white young man who. was murdered in the street by a Sikh man. uh who was given all the credibility. because of his skin color. He happened. to be brown alleging that he'd been. attacked by Henry which was a lie on. racial grounds, another lie. If if.

anybody was racist in the exchange, it. was the Sikh man, Vikram Digwa and his. family. It So it's already a powder keg over. there because I I do think that there's. a healthy faction of UK residents who. are sick sick and tired of watching. white people get killed in the streets. by in both of these cases, one's a brown. man, one's one's a black man. >> Yeah. >> and having immediately credibility go to. the person who's the perpetrator. And in.

this case, this guy was allowed into the. UK. Obviously, he's mentally disturbed. without any screening whatsoever and. sicked upon the people of ultimately. Northern Ireland. I like They've there's. got to be true outrage as a result of. these pair of incidents. >> Yeah. You're right in saying they are. not the same incident, but but their. roots are grounded in the the same toxic. left-wing ideology, Megan. And that is.

that in both instances there is this. sympathy for what I perceive to be. ethnic minorities in an oppressed class, and as a result of that, special. privileges need to be afforded to them. In one case, a two-tiered policing. system. In the other case, the ability. to get leave to remain, which basically. means that an extended period in the. United Kingdom, despite the fact that. someone has come from a culture. completely alien to the United Kingdom, and despite the fact this person is, as.

we can see, a monster, an unimaginable. monster. So, there is a line that runs. through it. But the other line that runs. through both of both of these cases, Megan, is that for both cases there is. footage. Now, the government in the UK. for decades has just about been able to. control the narrative. They've been able. to suppress the rape gang scandal, which. we've talked about. They've been able to. minimize the threat of illegal migrants. But in the last 2 weeks, the UK has.

woken up to the most horrific footage. you'll ever see. And footage shatters. narratives. You can't unsee what you've. already seen with your own eyes. So, I. think people in the last 2 weeks have. woken up to basically the way that their. government has been gaslighting them and. betraying them. And if there's one good. thing to come out of these two appalling. incidents, it is that people are waking. up because of that visceral feeling in. the pit of your stomach that you can. only get through seeing these sorts of. awful awful footage that that you've. that has now been going around social.

media and around the world. >> These these guys last night out in masks. going after the immigrant communities, Greg, were at the end of their rope. That like here's a picture showing the. for the listening audience a group of. men in Northern Ireland who appear to be. masked. walking down the street and it's you. know it's one of those things like. sorry but to quote Colonel Jessup you. with the wrong Marine. Like this. You're now you're in Northern Ireland.

and you're beheading their fellow. countrymen. What did you think was going. to happen? I don't I'm not blaming all. the immigrants there but their. government's not helping them. Like Kier. Starmer is doing nothing and in fact. this guy was sicked upon them without a. thought for their well-being or for the. well-being of their children. I don't I. don't blame them one bit for feeling. like they had to take a law into their. own hands. >> Yeah, they just haven't been listened to. and and so they've tried I remember the. United Kingdom is is home to the great. phrase keep calm and carry on from from.

World War II and and they they have kept. calm and and they've tried to do this in. a legitimately peaceful way for years. now and the and the government just. won't listen to them. And the other. challenge is this woke ideology this you. know the DEI has really been. institutionalized much like it was here. with with the Biden administration you. know the whole of government on DEI. Well, they have this this program called. the police race action plan the PRAP. that was a direct result of the George.

Floyd and the mostly peaceful protest. back in in the summer of 20 and so you. know they've they've made two-tiered. policing part of the training and so. these police even if you have a rogue. cop here and there they actually are. trained this way and that's what's. really unsettling about it. And then. again you have the media coming out. especially state-owned media and and RTE. in Ireland and and BBC and then. when I was on with with Will over the. weekend you know I saw a headline from.

the CBC the Canadian Broadcasting. Corporation and of course the headline. was. far right hijacks Henry Novak. You know, it's just typical of of trying to. distract. It gives the politicians. these riots give the politicians an. excuse to ignore the actual issue and. that's really a shame. >> Can I Can I add to this, Megan? >> Oh, yeah. The The The Guardian today the. headline politicians try to calm. tensions inflamed by social media after. stabbing in Belfast. Do you think it. might have been the stabbing in Belfast.

as opposed to the social media the BBC. Tuesday night disorder breaks out in. Belfast after man charged over knife. attack. Just man charged over knife. attack. Nothing about his immigration. status, nothing about an attempted. beheading, the blinding of a man. Um and. then the New York Times they did do a. story on it but no coverage on the main. page Tuesday night. Same with the. Washington Post. If If this had been a. white man potentially beheading a black.

man, it would be everywhere. Same as it. would be treated as George Floyd 2.0. >> Yeah, we of course and that was the same. with Henry Novak and it's so blindingly. obvious now. But to go back to the. response to from those Irish protesters. and again it is important to caveat. don't burn down buildings, don't attack. police officers. If you do, you should. go to jail. At the same time. the politicians need to take. accountability for that response.

If I'm sure we've probably all been in. our fair share of domestic arguments. over the years. If when you are arguing. with someone and you resort to stop it, you are being hysterical what happens? You get a hysterical response. You make. people more angry. This is the mega the. the the the meta equivalent of that. The. government is effectively saying to. these people stop it, you're being. hysterical. Stop being angry. They're. attempting to regulate the emotions of. the people. And instead what they need.

to do is they need to say we feel your. anger as well. We empathize with you. The only person who has tried to do that. is Nigel Farage who is the leader of the. Reform Party. >> it. Nigel Farage, of course he gets it, which is why he's become so popular. I. want to play a little bit from him. um sat for. >> The government always appeal for calm. Let's be calm. Don't cause a fuss. Don't. frighten the horses. Unless of course. it's George Floyd somewhere in the. Midwest of America and then we're yeah,

then it's fine to be angry. Uh I have. made it really clear for years anybody. that comes to Britain illegally should. not be allowed to stay. And when it. comes to those who legally come to. Britain, if they come in to work and. contribute and integrate, that's fine. But if they're not, frankly, they. shouldn't be here. >> Now, to us in America, we've been. listening to much sharper rhetoric than. that for years now thanks to Trump. But that's some straight talk for the.

citizens of the UK that they don't hear. from their politicians every day. As you. point out, Will, Nigel Farage stands. out. Um and I wonder, Greg, whether you. think that's going to have any. I don't know. Like it would are the. other politicians, are the Keir. Starmer's of the world who are actually. in power going to have to listen? >> I doubt it. I mean, Keir Starmer is. completely disconnected. He'll just come. out with some woke statement. I mean, it's an amazing skill he has. He can. talk for for 10 minutes and not say. anything. It's It's amazing. And then.

even locally, you know, the Lord Mayor. of of um Belfast, her name is Rosemary. Donnelly, you know, she did a a 2 weeks. ago when she first took office, she did. this rant about diversity. Um you know, she sounded like Sadiq. Khan, the Mayor of London. And And then. of course the Northern Irish Assembly. leader is uh her name is Michelle. O'Neill. In In 2022, she she went on a. on the BBC and argued that the IRA had. every right to use violence and and that. you know because they weren't being.

listened to and they had to resort to. violence. Well, now she's of course. saying that you know all violence is bad. and again I agree with with both of you. that you know that no you should not be. burning houses down. You should not be. attacking policemen. Of course not. But. I think we all agree that the people. just weren't listened to and and and the. government has just ignored the the. arguably the number one issue in both. countries. >> I'd add to that Megan as well. Not only. do I think that you won't get that type. of response from the Labour Party, the.

equivalent of the Democrats in the UK, they will double down because if they. were to admit that a mass migration has. led to the mutilation in this case of of. men on the street, led to the sexual. assault of women, led to the abuse of. children, if they were to concede that. multiculturalism has effectively. destroyed the social fabric of the. United Kingdom, they would effectively. be denouncing their entire worldview, their entire reason for being. It has.

been their religion for 20 to 30 years. now. And you know as well as I do, you. don't renounce your religion overnight. It's fundamental to who you are. So for. these people, they are going to double. down and double down and double down. regardless of how many people die, regardless of how many madmen are on the. streets with weapons, you know, causing. havoc because if they don't, then you. know, effectively their entire reason. for being is is is disintegrates. >> Okay, so Michelle O'Neill is the she's.

an Irish politician. She's been First. Minister of Northern Ireland since. February of 2024. Here she was on GB News. I think this is. yesterday's at 10. >> Quite the monologue there Doug on fake. news and on the day that Senate totally. inappropriate. I don't know any country. that has open borders. I believe in an. immigration system that is fair and. managed and enforceable and. compassionate and human rights. compliant, but that is not the debate. for today. The debate today is about our. society, about our inclusive society,

our welcoming society. Our Our. conversation today is about our thoughts. are very much with that gentleman who. finds himself. as a victim of that violent and horrific. attack last night. Our thoughts today. are about creating calm in our society. So, I think the message from here, from. this platform, is very consistent and I. have no truck with your fake news. >> Unbelievable. >> Okay, so there she was, right? There is. is suggesting that the the reporter who. clearly asked her about open borders was.

off, was misinformed, and then she says. she she knows to say, "Okay, today is. not the day to talk about immigration. policy." Like, as if she's focused on. the crime. She's not. The reason we're. talking about immigration policy is. because this guy's there as an asylum. seeker, and then actually has the nerve. to say, "I believe in an immigration. system that's compassionate and human. rights compliant and in an inclusive. society." I mean, a man's head was. almost cut off. The The The mass rapes. didn't do it. Look, Greg, what What's it. going to take for politicians like that.

to understand she's completely out of. touch with those guys in the masks who. have felt the need to march on Northern. Ireland last night. >> Totally. And And I think, you know, it. it was case here only a few years ago in. the US when, you know, when we had 15. million people coming across the border. And so, in in the UK, this is again not. a new issue. It's There's been so many. incidents and and you can't argue. anymore, like many of the politicians. will, that they're one-off situations or. exceptions. This is pretty consistent in.

the last you know, last few years in the. UK and in Ireland. And that's why the. people are are protesting and and and. act behaving violently because they're. just so frustrated. But you're not. you're not going to hear that from the. the leadership from the progressive. left, that's for sure. Um you'll hear it. from from people like Nigel, of course, and then the media will call him far. right and and divisive, but um but I I. don't see anybody in in Ireland or in. the UK currently that will uh will will.

finally admit that this is a problem. >> Megan, can I add. >> for Nigel Farage who's saying all this. Yeah, go ahead, Will. >> They uh these sorts of politicians are. starting to use a series of repeated. tactics to try and deflect from these. uncomfortable conversations. And it's. really obvious after Henry Novak and now. the atrocity in Belfast, the first is to. hide behind the so-called wishes of the. family. So, we've just received I've. just seen on Twitter just before going. on the family's.

>> it, too. >> Yeah, do you do you want do you have you. got it? You can get it up if you want. Um. >> Yeah, the statement of the um the victim. here, Stephen Ogilvy's family. It's. long, but the the highlights are we're. completely devastated by this. It's been. a massive shock to our whole family. Right now, our priority is being at his. bedside and helping him. We want to say. a profound thank you to the local people. who bravely stepped in during the. attack. We'll never forget what you did. We also. want to thank emergency services, the. doctors, the nurses. We're aware of the. tensions and talk of protests following. this incident. We want to make it.

absolutely clear. that overnight unrest is not welcome and. peaceful protest is the only way. forward. We have many migrants who make. a deeply valuable contribution to our. country including our in our healthcare. system and hospitality sector and we. depend on them to make our country work. We do not want this terrible tragedy to. be used to divide people or fuel. hostility. We're asking the media and. the public to please give us some space. We need privacy to focus on our family. right now. Go ahead, Will. >> Yeah, so do you notice a pattern here? That sounds eerily similar to the final.

part of the statement from Henry Novak's. family. Now, number one, I'm not for a moment. diminishing the pain that these families. are going through. I'm not diminishing. the courage that they have uh had to. show, but it is very, very obvious that. police liaison officers work with. families to put particular narratives. into these statements, which police uh. which politicians then use as smoke. screens. Because they can go when people. say, "Well, maybe we need to talk about. mass migration now." They go, "No, no, no. We need to focus on the wishes of.

the family." As a thought experiment, imagine if that statement said, uh "The. wishes of the family are for an end to. mass migration and to a rejection of. multicultural ideology." Do you think. politicians would be saying, "Well, we. need to defer to their wishes?" Of. course they wouldn't. It's a very. convenient smoke screen. This is all. just a tactic, and that again is. something that people now are starting. to pick up on because people aren't. stupid. >> And I don't know anything about this. Ogilvy. I'm sure we're going to be.

learning a lot more about the victim. here in the days to come, but it it. doesn't. doesn't seem like a man of means. I'm. not sure how sophisticated his family. is, but it's probably not too huge a. task to bully this grieving family. that's very, very concerned about his. living or dying into saying something. that they're now being told by the. authorities will save lives, will tamp. down fires in the streets, and their. their dear neighbors being evicted. It's. like. Okay, great. I mean, in theory, sure, immigrants are fine. We did that in.

America for years. That's how we filled. our country. Eventually, we had a lot of. immigrants who came here over the years, but it's. to pretend that just this like concept. of immigration as like a. a net good is still operable when we you. know, the UK and America and Europe in. general have way more immigrants, illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, and. so on than we can handle, than our our. public services can handle, than our crime services can handle, and.

real actual citizens are getting hurt. It should just belie reality. I want to. stay with you for 1 second, Will, because. I saw you had somebody on named Khai. Wilsch on your show. And. once again, we had nonsense being shoved. on us, and you called this person out. Here, let's watch it. South 3. >> You're saying that we've got a problem. in Northern Ireland and also in this. country with mass automatic immigration. >> Yes, I. >> Right. We can hold two ideas in your heads, though, can't you? You can both say and.

understand that trying to call calling. people savages, talking about alien. cultures at this time, at this present. moment, doesn't get to solutions. You. can be angry, and people are clearly. angry about this. There are also. far-right influences, many not from this. country, who are trying to use this. tragedy as a way to ferment violence. that they have no part in. >> I can see you getting quite annoyed by. that. >> I'm so sick of this equivocating from. the left. This isn't a day to talk. about, well, the influence of far-right,

and then we can talk about the guy being. decapitated after that. >> Why not? >> Because if we don't talk about it No, I'm not I'm going to finish. I'm I'm. going to let I'm going to. No, I'm not finished. I was I'm not. finished. I was just letting that sit in. the air for the audience to make their. own judgment. People are not listening. Our people are not being listened to, and when you have the feeling you're not. being listened to, you feel like you. have no other recourse apart from. violence. To your point, that's not. right, but that is human nature.

>> Good for you. >> Yeah. Now, as a as a. caveat, Khai is a friend of mine. He is. a very good person, but I think those. comments were reflective of this sort of. attitude amongst parts of the leftist. commentariat that basically puts. hurty words on the same level as actual. violence. Uh we saw. the and Megan, the first time we spoke. was. in the wake of the awful death of. Charlie Kirk, and you saw the same.

attitudes coming out where people said. because Charlie had particular opinions, well, therefore in many ways that. justified violence against him. That was. the attitude of a scary amount of people. on the left. And you're seeing the same. thing here. It's well, getting your, you know, a. an illegal mi- well, not a legal migrant. technically sadly, but a third-world. barbarian migrant coming in and almost. chopping someone's head off is bad, but. at the same time far-right opinions are.

also bad. So, we need to put them on the. same level. And if you do that, you're. basically then justifying violence. against those hurty words. That is why. that attitude and that equivocating is. so incredibly dangerous. >> Yes, and and it's completely off point. today. It really is. It's like, what Why. don't you spend some time You can. condemn the violence. You can say they. shouldn't be burning things. You You. must start the discussion with why are. they burning things?

What Let's not go right to it's bad to. burn. Why are they burning things in. Northern Ireland? Could it have anything. to do with the attempted beheading? Like, this is This is so much crazier. like George Floyd was a fentanyl addict. who had enough fentanyl in his body to. kill a horse, who resisted arrest, who. had hurt a lot of people, and found. himself on the wrong side of the cops on. a particular day.

They treated that like it was an. attempted beheading by a police officer. of George Floyd, and it wasn't. In fact, they rail- they railroaded Derek Chauvin. into his prison cell by pressuring the. medical examiner and attorneys in the. DA's office. All of it has come out. since then. But, you know, does that encourage anybody in in the. wake of that tragedy. to actually take an honest look at like. how. how people have gotten to the place. where they're this angry? No, they.

won't. And to your point, Will, and I'll. I'll run this by you, Greg. We're now. seeing like. seconds after the family releases that. statement top of the BBC, family of. Belfast knife victim say unrest is not. welcome as extra police brought on the. streets. Top of Sky News, Belfast. victim's family say riots not welcome. The Guardian, families of Belfast victim. appeals for calm and stresses deeply. valuable contribution of many migrants. I mean, as if on cue.

>> Yeah, it's it's a like a woke mind. trick. And and now they're going to. deflect everybody from the real issue, but then also do do their best to. convince the the people that that the. family actually feels this way. When as. Will points it out, it was clearly. written by some staffer, uh you know, at. the police department. So, you know, look, it's they'll try, but I think, you. know, back to the, you know, live videos. don't lie. And I think they're going to. to try to bury this thing, but I don't. think it will work. And and the other.

thing and we talked about George Floyd, you know, that whole that whole. narrative after George during and after. George Floyd about, you know, unarmed. black men, the epidemic of unarmed black. men being killed by racist police. officers was a complete fabrication. You. know, you I you probably, you know, talked to to Heather MacDonald from the. Manhattan Institute. I mean, the the. number. >> Any time. >> Yeah, the numbers just don't show that. And and so that was a myth and the media.

just ran with it, including the current. leadership of the United Kingdom right. now. >> Can I make one more point. on just the the con-. >> They lied so many times about we white. cops who are on the hunt for black men, total lie. The in the year that George. Floyd died, the Washington Post kept a. running tally of those who are unarmed. who were actually shot and killed by. police. It was 12. It was 12. And in. those 12, they counted men who were. driving at cops in a vehicle. And. sometimes those vehicles had guns in the.

glove box, but notwithstanding the fact. that they were driving, you know, whatever ton car up trying to run over a. cop, they were considered unarmed. That. that was the peak of the year in which. they said the cops had lost, you know, all control and were hunting. black men. 12 in a country of 330. million and where we have 10 million. stops and arrests a year. 12? You've got to be kidding me. So, this is all false narrative. And now. what we're seeing is repeatedly black on.

white or brown on white violence or. murders and a police force that's. paralyzed because of the lies that were. told during George Floyd and thereafter. and that have never stopped being told, Will. >> Yeah, that's right. And uh. they are paralyzed for a couple of. reasons. Number one, that old. go-to that they are afraid of being. called racist, but it's not just the. shame element there. They are worried that if they go to a. crime scene like Henry Novak's uh. uh the Henry Novak crime scene.

and they are perceived to be being. racist, then that's their job. That's. potential inquiries. That is uh public. humiliation. This is the first impulse. that goes through so many police. officers' mind right now. And what has. been written into so many police. guidance manuals in the respective. police forces across the United Kingdom. is that racism is determined. subjectively by the person who. effectively is the uh accuser of the. racism. So, there there's no objective.

test. Um this was the big thing that. came out of what was called the. McPherson report in the late '90s, which. was delivered by the Blair government. who was responsible for so many of the. problems that we see now in this. country. Um but basically the big thing. there is it goes from being an objective. legal test of what could be racist. conduct to subjective. If I feel that. someone is being racist towards me, then. therefore racism has occurred. And so. therefore you have police officers. walking on eggshells to make sure that.

to make sure that they can't be. perceived even subjectively to be in. that position. And to your point that. then paralyzes. >> That's an insane insane legal standard. This just in, the the UK Telegraph is. reporting the following. The Belfast knife attack victim is in a. coma after being repeatedly stabbed in. an unprovoked assault. The victim who is originally from. Rathcoole, Newtonabbey is disabled and. has schizophrenia. So this guy is.

disabled, has schizophrenia, according. to one neighbor was already hearing. impaired, now has lost one eye, reportedly may not be able to see as a. result of this attack out of the other. eye. And if the if the picture I saw. online, which we are not showing, we're. not it's not confirmed to be him, but if. it is him, a picture of him in his. hospital bed, I mean his face is. completely hacked up. It is it's he's. almost unrecognizable, I'm sure to his. loved ones, because there are so many. slashes all over it. Also via the.

Telegraph, Ofcom, Greg, which is the. it's a very. it's a very big brother. like scary organization. Every every. time you hear Ofcom, it's like it's just. a very creepy situation where they're. trying to crack down on free speech. It's what happens on the airwaves in. particular, but it includes social. media. Um. they've written to social media. platforms over online posts that they. believe could have quote incited the.

riots on Tuesday. This is crazy. You. know what incited the riots? This guy from the Sudan who tried to. behead a guy from Northern Ireland. The. the watchdog said it was contacting. specific providers, although it would. not confirm which ones. Quote, "Where we. believe there are specific risks around. the presence of illegal content relating. to the civil unrest." Talk about. not seeing the forest through the trees. >> Yeah, it's it's really Orwellian.

completely. And And Ofcom, I mean, we we. know a lot about Ofcom at GB News, that's for sure. Um it it's really. outrageous what they're doing. And And. they've been at this for years. I mean, the. you know, the same with the the the. Biden administration during the the. COVID crisis, right? You know, that if. you said anything about the Great. Barrington Declaration, you were taken. down on on Twitter at the time. And so, it's the same with Ofcom. They they are. they are definitely thought police and. and are a real a real burden on the on.

the conservative media, for sure. They'll let the BBC do whatever they. want, you know, they'll they'll doctor. videos at the BBC. Um I don't I don't. see Ofcom ever ever ever hassling the. state-owned media, but it's uh it's. really a shame. And I. I I would like to do something about. Ofcom in the UK, that's for sure. >> Well, the other thing is, if you're if. you are on news on the BBC or in the UK. and you say something hateful or racist. about whites, you're good. It's no. problem. We've seen that. We've seen.

commentators um trying to think of the. specific one. It was around I think it. one of the royal events, but she said. something so blatantly racist, they. don't care. That's fine. You can be as. anti-white as you want, Will. It's just. if you say anything, you know, that that. might sound a little insurrectiony. around an attempted beheading of a white. citizen in in Northern Ireland, then. Ofcom may come knocking on your social. media platform. >> Yeah. I think I've said this to you. before, Megan, but I am so incredibly. jealous of your First Amendment, because. that certainly.

is not the case in the UK. And as is the. case with all speech censorship since. the beginning of time, it is inherently. subjective. And that subjectivity comes. from well, what is the establishment. belief and then let's try and. ingrain that belief. So, Greg is right, you know, that there and. I'm not I'm not playing victim here as a. GB News presenter, but it is just a fact. that the GB News is targeted by people. who put in off com complaints to a.

considerably higher degree than the BBC. or Sky News. Uh and the other thing. which needs to be said is that so many. forms of bias, and Megan, you know this. better than anyone, are not necessarily. just what is said on the news or how it. is framed, is what stories are chosen. and what aren't chosen. And in that. respect, organizations like the BBC, like Sky News, are the most biased. organizations of all because they won't. touch some of the stories that really. matter. They were dragged kicking and. screaming to talk about two-tier.

policing. They didn't touch rape gangs. They didn't touch the illegal migrant. crosses. Now, interestingly, they've had. to get there and I think GB News plays a. big role in that, just dragging them to. sensible positions. But the reality is. the bias so often comes in the media. from what is and is not said. And that's. the thing which I think sometimes goes. missed is is is is missed. >> Mhm. Here is the latest now from the BBC, speaking of them. How the rage machine.

on social media inflamed violence in. Belfast. How embarrassed would you be if you. published that as the lead to today's. news out of Northern Ireland? That's I'm. embarrassed for them. They go on. reporting is by someone Mariana Spring. It leads with this line. I've been investigating for the BBC's. Top Comment podcast how what happened in. Belfast is a part of a pattern of. violence inflamed by social media.

algorithms. All these posts are recommended by. algorithms, which run on emotions like. rage, hate online, and then offline is. directed at immigrants, many of whom. have nothing to do with the incident. This happened during the riots after the. murder of three girls in Southport. It. happened after allegations of a gang. rape in Epsom. This is unbelievable, which turned out not to have happened, and it occurred following the murder of. teenager Henry Novak. She She doesn't get it. Uh.

what? The social media, you see, is what. outraged the people after the murder of. all these UK residents. I It's so. outrageous what the social media. platforms are doing after all these. murders of innocents and rapes of other. ants. It's outrageous. Well, just like I. don't I You can't help the BBC. That's. why GB News was born, by the way. It's. like You can't You You just have to move. on without this organization. >> Yeah. The The The It's such an interesting.

insight into the lefty mindset in that. they really just think people are. idiots. They think if you see something, you will then believe something, you. will then do something as a consequence. of that belief. They think that everyone. is lemmings. That may well be because. most lefties are lemmings, and they do. that. But if you're on the right, you. generally are more pragmatic, and you. generally have better critical thinking. skills. But it is their belief that if. you are exposed to something, you. therefore will adopt that view, and. therefore it is our obligation to. suppress information. Like this is total. authoritarianism 101.

Um and and that is why in the wake of. these sorts of tragedies like Henry. Novak and like what we saw in Belfast, I. bet you anything social media censorship. and censorship laws more generally are. never far behind because it is easier. for them to suppress speech than it is. to actually deal with the root cause. problems that we were talking about. earlier. I You know, right now right now I am. working with Lawrence Fox, who got fired.

from GB News. That's another story for. nonsense. Um. but I'm working with him because he was. going to have a debate at Oxford Union. that was proposed by a Palestinian woman. who happens to be Muslim, and she wanted. to have a debate about Islam's role in. the West and whether it's being unfairly. demonized as is her POV or not, or. whether it's not consistent with Western. democracies. They wouldn't allow it to happen.

They shut it down. Like it was it was. too incendiary to discuss. We're trying. to bring it here to America because we. can still talk about things like that. As far as I know, we're still allowed to. talk about that stuff. Um but this is. part of the problem, Greg, is that like. you you can't you you can see them. trying to shut down the discussion of. immigration, trying to shut down any. expression of outrage over the fact that. this was an immigrant. The UK more and. more has decided that to silence the. objections is the way to solve these. problems as opposed to addressing these.

problems in the first place. >> That's exactly right. And and again, it's been it's been happening for years. now, and I think it, you know, possibly peaked in 2021 only until. recently when we've had these these, you. know, tragic events. So they'll they'll. continue to argue that it's social media. or that it's the far right. And and. recall, you know, over the last few. years when they'd always kind of create, you know, a boogeyman of far right. And. you know, 90% of the open cases in, you. know, in the police services or just.

like in the FBI in the US, you know, 90%. are. Islamist terrorism. And yet. leaders like like Biden and Keir Starmer. are running around saying that, you. know, the biggest threat to our. democracy is right-wing, you know, far-right extremists. It's just it's. it's silly that they they try to. basically convince people that of. something that's just isn't there. It's. just not true. So, either leave the the. real news off or fabricate some fake.

news. It's pretty outrageous and and I I. think that, you know, good for. competition because at least the free. market works and that's why, you know, there's there are alternatives now and. in many respects it's social media that. it's provided these alternatives. >> On the bright side, we are. I mean, we do have to spend a minute on. this hero, this guy [clears throat]. Mighty Mag. Taqi Kermani. I don't know if I'm. pronouncing that right, but this is the. guy who took that paddle. It's called a.

hurling stick. This is a sport in. Ireland and beat the hell out of the. assailant and saved the life of the. victim. There's no question that he. would be dead if this guy hadn't stepped. in. Uh they there's um. a report in the Telegraph that he. stepped in quote, he just landed there. by chance and managed to quote, protect. the lad. Um a woman who claims to be his. either wife or just partner was saying. yesterday how proud she was of him. But. I mean.

this is true heroism. And then as soon. as he got in, others came to help too. That is incredibly gutsy because you. guys. the assailant had a knife, was clearly. deranged and this guy Mag did not. I. mean, he had a paddle. but. yeah, you know, and the guy's got a. knife and he's a deranged man. All the. other citizens who were watching this. and some of whom were filming it said. they were keeping their kids indoors, they were staying inside. They were. scared, of course. Uh that's what I. would do. I would never go over to I.

don't think I have it in me. Um but that's a national hero right. there and I think that attitude is. coming out more and more now on the. streets of Northern Ireland where like. he stood up and these others are ready. to stand up right now, too, Will. >> Yeah, so for a for For audience, I guess. the closest equivalent is a lacrosse. stick. Now, I. would not. >> like a like a cricket bat almost, right? Like a cricket bat. >> Yeah, I but I don't. >> Or like an oar. Looks like an oar. >> Yeah, >> that you'd row a canoe with. >> Megan, I think it's a field hockey.

>> Yeah. >> It has that kind of, you know, big the. the the the big knob at the end. It's. it's a weapon. I I have one and I I. always keep it handy in case someone. tries to break into my place when I. don't have a gun. >> Yeah, yeah. Just just don't. >> And this guy, Mag, was not kidding. around with it, either. He went over. there and started wailing on that guy. It's very satisfying to watch. >> Yeah, good. Good in short. But the other. thing, Megan, I would say is that. heroism, I think, is even more noble. given the stories that we have seen in. recent years of the good guy getting.

punished in these situations. Now, I. imagine American audience, their brain. instantly goes to Daniel Penny. Um This wasn't some you know, this is a. more extreme story, of course, but but. in that moment, we have seen examples. where if you are the good guy, you're. going and you're you know, let's say. that that. you know, let's say that that uh. uh stick. got him on the temple, killed him. You. know, I wouldn't be surprised in this day and. age in Western. >> Legal system if he got charged.

>> get charged with with manslaughter. Um. so, in order to to basically put that to one. side, as well as the obvious fear of. going up to a lunatic with a knife, and. to do that, is extraordinary. And and. you're right to actually call that out. because in these such a grim dark days, you need to look for those little bright. sparks of humanity and heroism. >> I know. And look, I don't condone I. don't like riots here, and I don't like. riots there, and I certainly don't like. seeing people's homes get burned down.

But the this has to be the point at. which the UK authorities do something. serious about their borders. Stop. Just. stop. There I don't Even now, what we. see is a report that the Reform Party is. pledging to to. ban visas for Sudanese citizens. Okay, great. But I mean here in our country, it would. be total ban. We're not taking any. That's what Trump would do. We're done. with the with the foreign citizens. We. have enough. Isn't that where Europe is. right now? Not not just the UK. We're. That's where Europe is at this point,

Greg. >> Yeah, it's outrageous. I mean, the UK. plus Europe is 25% of world GDP, and yet. it's 60% of global welfare spending. And. a lot of that is going to both legal. migrants and illegal migrants. It's. really outrageous. And. again, that's why you see the. frustration where taxpayers are funding. illegal migrants. They get hotel rooms, they get free food, they get free. everything. So, it's that's part of the. formula here.

>> There was a caller who phoned in. Was it. Sky News he called into or was it GB? Uh. uh. This person called into uh. one of the local. uh. stations. And it's it's all over um. online. I want to play some of it for. you guys. Here, stand by. Listen. >> On me way to work, as normal, listening to you talk about the thing. that happened in Belfast last night, all. the unrest. Well, yes, rightly, you. shouldn't condone what happened.

What else HAVE PEOPLE GOT TO DO? THEY'RE. NOT LISTENING. The political class ARE. NOT LISTENING. THESE PEOPLE who are. coming over here illegally, they're rapists, TERRORISTS. THEY'RE. THEY'RE COMING OVER HERE. IT'S LITERALLY. LIKE PUTTING A WOLF IN A SHEEP FIELD. YOU ARE GIVING THEM A TARGET-RICH. ENVIRONMENT. You haven't vetted them. YOU'VE DONE NOTHING. ALL YOU'VE DONE IS. DUMP THEM IN A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN. WREAK HAVOC. WHERE THEY COME FROM, GUESS. WHAT? THERE'S NO LAW. IF THEY CAN DO WHAT LITERALLY WHATEVER. THEY LIKE. THEY COME OVER HERE. There's. lawyers, of course, taxpayer-funded.

They get a nice cushy home, running. water, Sky TV, gym memberships, BUS. PASSES. THEY CAN LITERALLY GO WHERE THEY. WANT AND CREATE HAVOC. AND WHEN THEY DO, THE PEOPLE THAT FOISTED THEM UPON US, GUESS WHAT? THEY SAY, "DON'T GET UPSET. DON'T DO ANYTHING. Don't go out and. cause unrest." WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, MATE. STOP REAPING, THEN YOU MIGHT NOT. HAVE TO SOW IT. BECAUSE THIS COUNTRY IS. ABSOLUTELY ON THE EDGE. THEY CANNOT TAKE. MUCH MORE OF PEOPLE GETTING STABBED,

RAPED, BLOWN UP. YOU NAME IT. YOU. FOISTED IT UPON US. >> VERY WELL SAID. MAN, THAT guy's. channeling the anger of a community. right now. Well, Greg, thank you both so. much for joining us today. We appreciate. it and we'll see all of you tomorrow. [music] We'll have much, much more.