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Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show. Afterparty host. Emily Jashinsky will be here today, but. we've got to break down the big. controversy about Mmore being dropped. from the Ed Sheeran tour. Okay, so we're. going to go through that. This has. turned into such a show. My god, it's like everybody's stepping on. quicksand and they all the usual. suspects are behaving exactly as you. would predict. But first, yesterday we. told you that the hold out juror in the.

Lindseay Clancy trial who reportedly had. a 1-hour phone call with Ray Marcel, uh. the host of Fugitive TV, was speaking. out. And Marcel reported that the. holdout, uh, a black man whose first. name is Michael. He's named him first. and last name. We've chosen just to. stick with Michael for now, is still. being harassed over his decision to. refuse to join the 11 the other 11. jurors. and uh that he would not vote to. find Lindseay Clancy not guilty by. reason of insanity. He thought she was.

guilty. Heaven forbid. Marcel also. reported that the juror, brace. yourselves, is a Republican. He is a. conservative Republican black man, which. as you know, you're not allowed to be. That's just a liberal dogma. It's not. allowed. you say that automatically. you've made enemies of some very strange. but considerable portion of the far left. who just will not allow that. Uh and. that he believed the eight jurors who. wanted to find Lindseay Glans Lindseay. Clancy not guilty from the very.

beginning eventually they got you know. another three on their side uh that they. were activists. Um, he also reported. that Michael did not lie on his juror. questionnaire about past allegations of. domestic violence. Well, we had some. follow-up questions about all of that. And joining me now to discuss it all is. Ray Marcel. He's the host of Fugitive. TV. Don't miss a moment. Subscribe to this. show on YouTube and follow me on Insta, Facebook, and X. The pet food industry.

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for you and I found it very. illuminating. So, just walk us through a. little bit about how it came about, how. you satisfied yourself that you were. talking to the actual hold out juror as. opposed to an impersonator. >> Yes. So, um, when his name was brought. up, well, when NBC Boston did what they. did and brought up his background, and they didn't say his name, but I knew. it was a matter of time, and I knew that. NBC Boston pretty much knew what they.

were doing. Somebody's going to find out. who this guy is. So, I was waiting to. find out, too. Um, once some people. doxed his name, I uh found out his uh. email, phone number. So, I sent messages. everywhere I can. Um, after that, I was. curious what what brought my attent what. brought to my attention, what made me. really investigate was when NBC Boston. did the interview with the ex-wife. And. when the ex-wife had that line of, "I.

chose not to testify because I did not. want to lose custody of my children.". I kind of found that just a little funny. because I'm thinking like, well, he is. the big bad guy. she's the victim. Um I. don't see why she would lose cussy. Let. me investigate this further. So, I went. and found. >> and just just to jump in, I think the. audience knows this, but just for those. who haven't been paying that close. attention, the allegation outed by NBC. Boston about this hold out juror that. decided to give this guy a legal uh.

colonoscopy was that uh six years ago he. and his wife had an altercation in which. he allegedly assaulted her and then. shoved her into a wall and then they got. a divorce. And this was the allegation. that then the charge was dropped against. him because she she didn't want to lose. custody of her kids. So you're you see. this and some alarm bells are going off. for you. This was meant obviously by NBC. to smear the juror as a terrible person. Um and then there was an allegation. about him having an altercation with his.

nephew 6 years later. So keep going. >> Yeah. And yeah, you're totally correct. I agree with you. And when I saw that, it just it set off the alarm bell. I I. needed I said, "Let me investigate. further." I found his uh divorce. records, went into those, and I saw that. he divorced, he filed for divorce first. So then I was like, "Hold on, if he's. this big bad guy, why is he filing for. divor uh divorce first?" And then I saw. she did a counter claim. And during that. counter claim, she was actually awarded. temporary custody with child support. So.

I was thinking, she already has child. support. So I went and did a video on. that. And for me doing that video and. reporting on further what if NBC was. going to do it, they should have did the. whole story. So because I did the due. diligence and reported further, he saw. that video and reached out to me um. through um actually called me the next. morning. >> Wow. That must have been a shocker when. you picked up and realized you were. speaking to the holdout juror. Yeah, I.

saw a Massachusetts number and I was. driving at the time and I look at it and. I see the number I'm thinking like, "Oh, this is probably somebody trying to sell. me a car warranty, you know." So, and I. pick up the phone and I and when I. answer the I feel really bad for him. He. didn't ask for this. He was really He. was nervous. >> He's skeptical about everybody. He. doesn't trust I wouldn't trust nobody. either. Um, he wanted to make sure it. was me. So, we had to settle on a code.

and then I did a YouTube short with that. code so he can see it was me and then he. called me right back. >> Ah. >> Mhm. >> Oh, very clever. That's very clever. And. then did he send you his juror summons. because you posted that on your YouTube. channel which was obvious proof to me. that you had been in touch with the real. >> Yes. He sent me multiple things that I. did not put online to make sure it was. him. Um because at you know I was. skeptical too. I'm thinking like am I. talking to the real um and I can we can.

say his name Michael if um like am I. talking to the real Michael. >> and um he sends me everything like all. kind of identification all that so I'm. like okay I'm obviously talking to him. and then once we start talking he just. you can tell he needed to release. everything like he just needed to talk. to somebody and while we were talking. >> he stops and he goes hold on one minute. and he has a a ring doorbell or a. camera. There's a guy creeping around. his house while I'm on the phone with.

him. Um, acting like he's doing service. work. And Michael goes, "This guy's not. doing service work. I've had this is. 24/7. He's looking for me." And I'm. while I'm on the phone with him. >> Wow. What What do we know about Michael. that you can share? Like what what do we. know? What his job is, what his life was. like before all this, and also then what. it's been like since. Well, I can share. that he is he um well, he does his he's. working and his job has been very nice.

They've actually gave him extended time. off because of everything. Um they say. he's a you know really good employee. That's why they gave him the extended. time off. Um very well spoken um. intelligent. He also takes his time. I. realize he analyzes things. He doesn't. answer right away. He will analyze it. before he answers or makes a makes a. decision. So I do realize he is very. patient too.

>> Was he shocked to see these other jurors. coming out and attacking him? >> Yes, he was because to his knowledge um. or you know when he was there well one. juror he wasn't shocked about and let's. just call it out. Paula. >> He said Paula, what he told me, Paula. was the alpha pretty much of the whole. room. >> And so he was not shocked by how she's. going on the media and talking and. talking and you know and uh uh they're.

they're saying, you know, this will help. women's rights because this is what they. were saying when they were inside uh the. jury panel as well. She was the one, just for the listening. audience, who was on with Gail King. revealing for the first time that it was. the black male juror who was the hold. out. That that's Paula, who I've been. calling JLo because she loves the camera. so much. She can't get enough of it. Um. he so he wasn't surprised by her, but. the others have really been taking aim.

at him. I don't know if you got the. chance, Rey, to see and or ask him about. Kevin Readington. accusing him of violating the law, of. committing a felony during the whole. proceedings over whether they should. have a mistrial. He stood up in open. court and said to the judge, "I believe. that juror lied to you under oath. This. poor guy gets accused of a felony. Kevin. Readington doesn't think his client who. strangled her three children committed a. felony, but he thinks the hold out juror.

did by telling the judge he could be. fair. >> I can tell you exactly what he said. about Kevin Renon because we all know. he's the one that started all this. He. called Kevin a scumbag. So that was. words from him because if it wasn't. Kevin is the pe uh the first piece of. the puzzle that started this whole thing. and went from Kevin to NBC Boston who. reported on his background for I don't. know what for. If they did his. background, why not report on everybody. else's background? Why single him out?

>> Um they didn't report on Fina's. background. I looked myself and saw what. she had. >> Um they didn't report on the other. jurors. So why just do his background? Why are why is everybody just singling. him out now? He has a reason why he. thinks so, but. >> and is it is it it's because he wouldn't. go along with the rest of the group, right? I mean, obviously. >> wouldn't go along with the rest of the. group. Black Republican on top of that. >> Um yeah, >> everybody.

>> Did they know that, Ry? Did anybody on. the jury know he was a Republican? >> Um that is a great question that he can. ask. But I do know he said that he felt. um from day one that it almost seemed. like the the eight there was eight. jurors in there from day one who was you. know Lindsay Clancy needs to be set free. pretty much. Um this can be great for. women and everything else. And there was. two that was um voting guilty that she. did it and two that you know didn't make.

up their mind. That was from day one. And he said from day one, those eight. were pretty much, you know, pretty much. um trying to convince the other ones, hey, you guys need to do this because. this is what needs to be done, you know, I guess for future rights. So, he felt. like they were activists and not looking. at the actual evidence. >> that Paula is out there today. Hey, I. mean, there was a a sound bite that. circulated of her late yesterday talking. about how cuz now Massachusetts is. looking at providing more care for women.

who claim they have postpartum. depression. And she was practically. tearing up saying, "Oh, you know, we did. that and thank goodness, you know, for. us because we really did want to change. things in this case." I mean, there's no. question that she and probably the. others had an activist agenda, which is. so ironic because that's exactly what. they're accusing Michael of having. Yeah. And I could tell you exactly um he. sent me a text and this is exactly from. him. He said he didn't have any doubts.

As I tried to explain different possible. theories during deliberation, I kept. getting cut off as if I had doubts based. on the evidence present. Based on all. the physical evidence, key witnesses and. what the prosecution presents. I thought. it was enough proof that she knew. exactly what she was doing and it was. planned. So that speaks to the allegation made by. the jurors when he wouldn't go along. with them. Yes. To the judge that we. have a juror who has expressed doubt,

but he won't apply the legal standard of. reasonable doubt. And that's when the. judge called everybody in and asked. everybody, here's my instruction again. on reasonable doubt. And then asked. everybody, can you be fair? Can you. follow the law? And they all said yes. So now that's that's Michael telling you. I actually didn't have a doubt that's. not true. >> Yes. Yes. And he said that the start. when I when I first started talking to. him. That was the first thing he said. >> Wow. >> Um and he said it was just he felt. everybody was just pressuring and then.

he said no he's not going to he's not. going to get pressured in. He's going to. stand on what he believes in. And at. that time he didn't expect for all this. to happen. I mean who would if you're. doing your civic duty. Even if you don't. agree with Michael's decision, it. doesn't make it right for you to go out. and dox his name. Put everything out. there like that. No matter what your. your side you're on, this is not right. It's a civic duty. This can jeopardize. what if Lindsay Clancy has another. trial. Now, a future juror is going to. be scared to say anything or stand up.

>> Very true. And especially to find her. guilty because look at what's happening. to the one guy who said, "I think she's. guilty." They're trying to ruin his. life. And so, um, you asked him. something important, which was one of. the ways they're trying to come after. him is he had this criminal allegation. The charges were dropped. You mentioned. Kelly Fina. She's another one of the. outspoken jurors. She's the chef who. said, "This guy just couldn't get over. the fact that she viciously killed her. children." She also had a criminal.

charge brought against her. It also was. dropped. that's not making headlines. anywhere to the extent that this is. making headlines about Michael. But um. so there's there's a question about. whether he lied on the jury. questionnaire. And just today, the judge. in the case who already said, "Oh, hell. no. I am not releasing the names of. these jurors uh 10 days after the. verdict or the mistrial as I originally. planned because I see what you people. are doing to them and I'm not game for. that." And then just today he um also.

said and I'm not releasing the juror. questionnaires because I'm not not. playing. We are not going to play with. this is basically what the. judge said. So they do have the jury. questionnaires and presumably the. lawyers at least are going through them. But he did speak to you about how he. handled the question because they always. get asked, have you committed a crime in. the past or have you been charged or. arrested with uh with with respect to a. crime? um do you have an active legal. case against you? That kind of thing.

And tell us about that conversation, Ray. >> Yeah, that was one of the first things I. actually um asked him because I I saw. people go coming online and saying he. must have lied. Um he had to have lied. How could he make it on the juror? So, that was the first question, one of the. first questions I actually asked him. And he said that um he checked the box. And he says he knows he checked the box. because he had to describe underneath. the box what happened. So he had to. describe that hey I was arrested um I.

was not convicted and describe in detail. what happened and then he said after. that the prosecution he doesn't remember. which one though he doesn't remember the. name of which one it was but question. him on the stand and then after that he. was chosen. Do we know whether because there was. that incident with the ex-wife six years. ago that did not ultimately resolve in a. in any sort of a trial against him. They. dropped the charges. But then the the. report was that more recently the nephew.

who allegedly was the one who called the. police when he was accused of of. roughing up his wife. that the nephew. and he had a physical altercation more. recently and that he allegedly assaulted. the nephew and that there's an active. restraining order against him right now. And I don't even know if the juror. questionnaire would cover that to be. honest. I have no idea, Ray, whether it. would have or it wouldn't have, but do. you know if that specifically came up? >> Um, I don't know if that came up. Now,

when it comes to the nephew, um, we. didn't get into too much details. I left. that up for him so when he decides to. come out and speak publicly so he can. give those details since he was, you. know, involved with that. But he did. tell me that when it comes to that side. of the story, it's just one-sided. That's not the full truth. Um he said. they're making it look like yes, you're. not supposed to hit people, but the. nephew is 6'2 and Michael's only 5 foot. seven. So um I guess you could take it. from there of how you want to imagine. that.

>> Okay. And and again, it's really unclear. to me right now whether the restraining. order would have been encompassed in the. questions that were asked of the jury, but that could be something we learn. more about. Okay. There is another. juror, there were only three men. One of. the other men, a guy named Nick Darle, sat down with ABC and attacked Michael. So, it's not just the, as I've been. calling them, the hens on the jury who. have been going after him, but this this. male juror also went after him and said.

the following. And I know you asked. Michael about this. Listen here to S. three. >> RG told us one time he confronted the. hold out after the man picked up what. Clancy used to strangle her kids. He. took the exercise band out of the bag, grabbed an empty water bottle and and. tied the band around the water bottle. and pulled it. Did he explain why he did. that? >> No. Um he might have. I'm I'm not. entirely I think I was just so shocked.

that he did that. Like. >> is that a mimic of how. she killed the children? >> Yeah, I I assume so. Yeah. >> What' you think when he did that? >> I was shocked. It didn't make any sense. to me. Like we're not in here to play. detective or it's not a game of clue. Like this is serious. I asked him why. why was why why are you doing that? >> That's a band that was used to strangle. a child. It's disgusting. Nick Dargy. Correcting myself. Dargy.

Um, so again, trying to make him look. heartless and like he was just a weirdo. in there. You did ask Michael about it. >> Yes, I did. And I don't know if it was. just me, but even before I even asked. Michael, I when he when I saw that. interview, I looked at that and I said, "Of course, he's trying to set an. example of what happened to the kid's. throats." That's the first thing I. thought of. Um, when I asked Michael. that, that's pretty much what he told. me. He was trying to set an example, get. a a vi a visual picture for everybody to.

say, "Hey, this is what Lindsay did with. this string, and this is their throats.". Um, the one thing we were talking about, and. this is the part I don't get. Um, let's. let's say instead of three kids, let's. just say Lindsay Clancy strangled three. puppies. Let's just say she strangled. three puppies. Would anybody have her. back and be an activist for that? Would. would Peta come to and say no, she. wasn't, you know, insane?

>> So, we start actually we're talking. about that like we come to the part. where or I should say where we are in. this nation to where it's almost okay to. do this to children and if somebody. wants to send her to jail over it, they're the ones getting crucified. That's not right. Mhm. Yes, I know. It does he have any. idea like how did ABC sorry NBC Boston.

get on to him? because there was um an. exchange posted by a guy who goes by. Turtle Boy on X yesterday who was very. active in the Karen Reed trial and then. he posted an alleged text exchange. between himself as this sort of activist. shitster outside of the courthouse. during Karen Reed and Kevin Readington. in this case and the Kevin was full of. praise for this guy and actually. encouraged him to do to get involved in.

the Lindsey Clansancy case and the guy. was appeasing him saying, "Oh, I have I. I'm doing some stuff already." This is. from the summer of 2023. And I don't. know what this guy did thereafter in. Lindsey Clancy or did not. But a lot of. people are wondering whether there. possibly was a Kevin Readington leak to. this guy cuz he outed Michael's name. >> Yes. >> Uh of the name, etc. What What is Does. Michael have any theories on how he got. his name got outed? Well, that was how I. found Michael's name was aka Turtle Boy,

whatever his name is. You know, I saw an. X and he posted it and I was like, "Wow, this is unshocking." Um, but he does not. know. He thought that he was protected, you know, because of he he saw the other. jurors doing um the interviews and he. wasn't coming out to do any interviews. or anything that he was never coming. out. He did not want to come forefront. He didn't he just wanted to live his. life and you know and do what he does. >> And once they the other jurors started.

outing him out and then once NBC start. putting his background information out. there, he did realize that they were. talking to not his family, but a um he. has a brother. It's a brother has a. ex-wife. So I guess they've been talking. to the ex-wife's family member is what. they're thinking. So, his brother's. ex-wife is who he thinks they've been. talking to. He's not sure, but he thinks. that due to some of the information. that's been leaked out and yeah, but.

he's not really sure. He thought he was. protected. >> All of which should be disclosed. If. you're speaking to, for lack of a better. word, a disgruntled ex-f family member. of his, right? There's an ex involved. and all the drama that comes with that. as a news organization, you are required. to disclose that as opposed to just. saying, "Oh, family." Like, it's it's. his kid saying all these terrible things. about him. I mean, they haven't they. they have no interest in being fair to.

Michael. Now, does did he when he told. you he thought those eight, the original. eight, who were immediately in favor of. not guilty by reason of mental defect, that they had an agenda, did he expand. on what led him to believe that? He just. what he told me was it was just how they. were talking as in um and when you look. at some of their interviews they're. saying the same thing as what what he. told me. You know this is this could be. done good for you know future women's.

rights and he's thinking like what does. the rights of women have to do with. Lindsay Clancy you know um killing her. kids you know uh so he I and I told you. earlier he's the type of guy he sits. back and analyzes. I'm I'm realizing. that talking to him, he doesn't rush. He'll analyze. So, I can just picture. him in that jury room sitting back and. just analyzing, looking at these people. and thinking like, "Yeah, uh, these. people look like they just got picked. out the summit line outside the. courtroom, you know?".

>> Yeah. Right. So, he like I mean, this. poor guy, what's his life like now? You're telling me there's people. prowling around his property? There was. a report that someone had spoken with. someone I think cla is he maybe he's. currently remarried but someone I think. who said she was his wife saying we. we've had to like get out of there. We. they've been following us like they're. not living they're on they're basically. living in hiding. It was the report. >> Well I can tell you this Megan and. you're the first person to hear this. Um.

he is safe now and he actually has legal. representation. I just can't disclose. who it is yet or tell anybody. But yeah, he is safe and he has somebody. representing him now. >> Good. Good. Because he's he's getting. defamed left and right, including by. Kevin Readington. Yes. >> Who had absolutely no business to stand. up in court when he wasn't there. Michael was back in the jury. deliberation room and basically call him. a felon to suggest he had committed a. felony just because he was a hold out.

juror and told the court, "Yes, I can be. fair. Yes, I can follow the law.". >> Yeah. And why not out the other? If. you're going to do that to one, why do. it to all? You interview Fina first, but. you don't mention her background. I just. find that very odd. Mhm. Mhm. So when. when you spoke with him overall, Rey, you thought this was this guy sounded. intelligent. He sounded I mean like you. describe like your impressions of him as. a person.

>> Yeah, very he was intelligent. Um. um Haitian background, conservative, um. um Christian views, reads the Bible. every day. Um he he he sounds like he's. actually a good guy just trying to make. it by in life. That's what it sounds. like. He sounds like he's just a good. guy trying to make it by in life. I. mean, you go to his background. I looked. up his background. He doesn't have any. Only incident you you see is what NBC. brought up. And he was never even. charged with it. So,

>> he was just trying to do his duty. >> How did he get stuck on this jury? Was. this something he wanted to do? Did he. speak to that at all? >> You know, I never I never asked him if. he wanted to do that. Um he just got the. summons and you know hey dudy called and. w you know and walked in like you know. and started answering questions and. filled out the forms to correct the way. he's supposed to and and like you said. they he was picked after the prosecution. questioned him. >> Yeah. Well this is just I mean what's.

being done to him is I it's. unprecedented. I don't remember this. ever happening to another juror after a. big case with a controversial ending or. not. It's very deeply wrong. Um, and I. know last but not least, Rey, you you. have some sophistication when it comes. to the criminal justice system, and this. probably that that spoke to you for this. reason as well, I would imagine. >> Uh, yes. Yes, it does. Um, so just a. quick rundown, Fugitive TV is my YouTube.

channel. It's called Fugitive TV because. I actually was a fugitive for 15 years. I figured out how to change my name. after I committed some white collar. crime. Uh lived in a couple different. countries under different names. Uh then. turned myself in and and because of what. I did, I I learned um pretty much how to. see through I learned how to. read in between the lines. I know when. somebody's conning me. Um and when I saw. this, this was a big con and I just saw.

it. I peeped it out. You're not fooling. me. the lies about Michael or the defense in. the lif. all of it. All of it. Um especially when. I saw the NBC report. I saw that and I. was like this is so one-sided. I I I. just looked at the details when they. said family member. They're not saying. which family member, who side of the. family. It was just certain wording that.

I picked up on that I was like, I got to. look into this further. Well, uh, if we have a Kla Harris. administration next and I get arrested. for something, I'm calling you first. I'm going to use all of your tips. >> Oh, >> I really appreciate your your good work, Rey. Thank you for this great interview. and thanks for coming on and telling our. audience about it. >> Thank you so much. All right. You have a. wonderful day and thank you for having. me on. >> Oh, our pleasure. We'll we'll continue. to follow it if you talk to him again. I.

will. >> What a guy. Gosh, can you can you. believe this case has spun into this? Like this poor juror sitting at home. worried about his safety, having to peer. out his windows to make sure he's still. safe. People lying about why they're on. his property, you know, paranoid to the. point where like he wanted to make sure. he was talking to the real the real Ry. Marcel when he was trying to get in. touch with him. Like this poor guy, he. he was drafted into jury service. We've. all been there. Usually the greatest.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. No, that's. Don't put it that way. It's fair. It's. fair. >> And you too can have a night with. Afterparty Emily just by subscribing on. YouTube or podcast. U before we get to. Malcolm, can you believe that story that. Ray was just telling us about this poor. juror? Like the way this guy's having to. live. Can you imagine this. >> No. No. And actually, I thought your. coverage the last couple of days has. been really helpful because the media is. justifying their coverage of this juror. by saying, well, maybe there was.

dishonesty on the juror form and. everything now points to that not being. the fact. And so, I'm curious if they. did they bother to check with him with. the juror about whether there was. another side of the story that could. kill I mean, that's the type of thing as. an editor that could kill the story. You'd say, "All right, well, lay off the. story because it looks like this isn't. justified. He didn't lie." If he didn't. lie, there's no justification for. blowing up his life this way. >> Yeah. Or or possibly they've been led. down that road by one of the lawyers in.

the case. Who knows? Um I mean, I think. at this point we're going to need to. have if if we get a hearing involving. this juror, we're going to need uh. lawyers to take the stand about who in. the press they've talked to, which would. not be privileged. There's no privilege. that protects a lawyer calling a. journalist. The journalist might have a. privilege uh or might just refuse on. ethical grounds to disclose, but the. lawyer calling the journalist and trying. to use the press to bring a storm. upon a juror would certainly have to.

answer that honestly and truly might be. in trouble. Like this could qualify as. juror intimidation. I actually thought. that the statute stopped applying once. the case was over. you know, that that. you couldn't be found guilty of that. once the case was over. And my cracked. team pointed out to me that's actually. not the case in Massachusetts. You can. you can get in trouble for juror. intimidation after a case is wrapped. So, everybody here better be very damn. careful about the harassment they're. trying to do to this guy.

>> Yeah. And the other thing I've been. thinking too is just like as a. journalist, this is if someone brings. this to you, it looks like, oh, maybe. this is a big story. And I don't. necessarily begrudge journalists for. wanting to interview the jurors. But on. the other side, the jurors have been so. classless. Like there was a way to. handle this where if you're one of. these, you call them the hens. I think. that's a great description of them. But. if you're one of the hens and you come. out and you say, you know, it was. frustrating. It's true there was one. hold out, but we couldn't you, we just. couldn't convince him in the end. That's. how the system worked. But no, that's. not what they did. They actually made it.

so if he wanted to defend his honor. knowing that his name was probably going. to be revealed sooner rather than later, then he is going to like face these. accusations of being one of they've said. everything that he was arrogant that he. was putting his AirPods in, that he was. playing with the exercise bands as you. covered today. It's just like that's so. classless. Like there was a universe in. which they and the journalists could. have handled the story either by. smothering the story in the crib because. it wasn't that was a really bad use of. my language. I'm apologizing for it, but. especially in this case, >> you can't mean it that way. But you just.

that's in journalism. That's what you. do. If a story is not a story at the end. of the day, you just say we're done with. it. But that's not what happened. They. all have been classless about it. >> The he's been accused now by my account. of at least two crimes in the course of. the deliberations and thereafter and. then raising the other crime that he was. accused of where no charges resulted as. well. So, we had Kevin Readington openly. accuse him of a crime in court when he. wasn't there, suggesting with zero basis. that he lied under oath to the judge. Then we had NBC point out very helpfully.

that if he didn't fill out that jury. questionnaire accurately, something for. which they had zero basis to even. intimate that that would be illegal, that he'd be committing a crime there. And then of course we had the dredging. up of the six-year-old allegations. between Michael and his wife when they. were getting a divorce just for good. measure just to now if if this had been. done you know like it picture the. reverse Emily after party Emily where.

the hold out juror is a black man in a. case against a black woman and the. entire white jury wants her convicted. but the one black man says I'm not going. to go for it. And then you have white. NBC, cuz everybody over there at the. Boston NBC that I can see is white. involved in this, dredging up his. alleged criminal past and calling him. twice a felon, right? Like open in court. with the defense attorney and then. opining in their piece about him that he.

probably lied on this juror questioner. and that would be a crime. Can you. imagine what the what the people like. Gail King would be saying about the. coverage then? Well, I was just going to. say, yeah, we know because Gail King. came out and said basically that she had. racially profiled this man. She racially. profiled him because it gave her pause. She had to take a beat when she heard. that he was a black man, which means. that she was racially profiling him as a. obviously a white man or a non-black. man. And that is such a disgusting thing. to do, but it reveals the mentality of a.

lot of people in the media who cover. these stories. It's exactly the uh. indication that, as you say, it would be. totally different if you were on the. other side of the case. And that's the. problem with racially profiling people. You don't know them. You don't know. them. You have no idea what their. backstory is. Their race doesn't. actually give you a good indication of. that. So, just shut up and treat things. on the merits, >> right? It's like Gail King has never met. a black male conservative, which, you. know, I'm sure she has in her many. travels. Um, but you know, they they're.

they're just like, news flash, Gail, blacks are just like the rest of us. They have heterodox opinions. They have. opinions that go along with the group. sometime. Uh, you know, just like stars. They're just like us. It's just. ridiculous her her racial profiling and. truly like racism there. It really was. Um, okay, I want to keep going. So, this. Mmore situation I've been trying to. ignore just because it's like so. annoying. The whole thing is annoying. Um, Ed Sheeran, who is like possibly the. least controversial person in the world,

all he wants to do is sing his songs. His biggest controversy before this was. when he said he wanted to be bigger than. Beyonce and the Beehive rained down a. whole storm on him. I loved this. guy. I interviewed him at NBC and he was. so charming and um just earnest and like. just absolutely warm and delightful. So. he has Mmore, but the ceiling can't hold. us. That Mmore open up for him on this.

tour that he's on. And I guess twice, but it's the second time that made all. the news. Mmore decided to talk about. Palestine in his opening before he did. his like opening number. Well, all hell breaks loose after he does it. at um it was Giant Stadium basically, Meadows, right? Um, and here we cut the. whole thing because I've only seen. snippets here and there. We cut the. whole thing. Here is soup to nuts. What. he said.

>> I've been trying to figure out a way to. say this all day. One of the reasons why. I wanted to come on this tour was. because I wanted to stand up here. on stages and stadiums across America. and say two words that are very near and. dear to my heart. Free Palestine. I said free Palestine.

I want those words to be loud and clear. so the people from Gaza all the way to. the occupied West Bank know that we have. not forgotten them. And this next song. was inspired. by the bravery of Columbia University. students who led an encampment movement. that mobilized the entire world, open up.

hearts, myself included. So, thank you. to those students that risked their. diplomas, that risked their tuition, that risked their scholarships, that. stood up and said no. CUAD students, Students for Justice and Palestine and. Jewish Voices for Peace. Thank you guys. to all of my Jewish brothers and. sisters. Criticism of Israel, criticism. of apartheid, being against genocide in. no way is a criticism of you.

My message is for peace, love, for all. human beings to be treated with dignity, respect, and equality. So I say free. Palestine. I say free Lebanon. I say. free Cuba. I say free Congo. Free Sudan. Free all people in America living in. fear over this terrorist organization. ICE.

None of us will be free until we are all. free. This song is called Hensall. >> Okay. It's your garden variety leftist, right? like none of that surprises me. Um, but it did surprise people. associated with the Ed Sheeran concert. The the audience wasn't openly against. it, but for sure others around the world. were because now he's been cancelled. So.

Ed Sheeran's people say it took like two. weeks, but basically we all knew he was. going to get cancelled because, you. know, the voices were popping up saying, "Oh my god, what did he do? This is. awful." And while Ed Sheran doesn't seem. to have made the decision, the the. promotion company, like the the tour. promoters who actually put the whole. tour together and organized the opening. acts and all that, said he's got to go. because all these stadium owners, Robert. Craft was the next one at Gillette. State, who owns Gillette Stadium, the. Patriots owner, um got together and they.

were all reportedly saying, "You got to. cancel him. Like, we we're not going to. have Mmore say that here." And I got to. be honest, Emily, like, I don't want. politics in my concerts. I hate. Bruce Bruce Springsteen now because he's. injected his anti-Trump mania into all. like I I'm sick of the Just. sing is how I feel. Um, and so I. think the tour promotion company. probably did the right thing because. it's like the people don't want a. political lecture. They just want to.

hear you sing the the ceiling can't hold. a song. They're going to have they're. probably drunk. They want to dance. >> That's the only way you could want to. hear that song. You would have to be so. hammered fun. >> They don't want to be reminded of the. awfulness in Gaza while they're at a. concert. So, I get all that, but I will. say what he said they when I first heard. that he got like cancelled, there was. all this blowback against him. And then. I Googled and I saw what was clearly an.

anti-semitic costume he wore back in. 2014. I mean, it was like he said he. didn't mean to be dressed like like some. sort of a Jewish person, but it looked. like this awful caricature of a Jewish. person. I mean, this is just so. offensive. I thought he was wearing this. at the Ed Sheeran concert, and I was. like, "Oh, well, of course, I get it.". But I thought it was pretty garden. variety he said up there, like for. leftist, >> you know, or even just Israel skeptical. people in America. So help me understand.

how this blew up into such a bigger. thing. >> Yeah, I mean it's it's really. unfortunate because they've now created. a martyr out of Mmore who is as annoying. as they get. To your point, Megan, I. actually don't mind like artists mixing. politics when it's sincere and when it's. smart. And this is not any of that to. be. I mean, it's clearly sincere, but. it's not particularly clever. It's just. kind of normal advocacy activism type. stuff. um which it it is annoying unless.

I think it's built into the art and into. the song doesn't mean he doesn't have a. right to do it. And now he's been turned. into a martyr. So while he was cancelled. by the Robert Craftled effort to cancel. him, he has now become uncancled with a. huge swath of the population who is. rushing to his defense. So you could be. the most viciferous defender of Israel, of America's alliance with Israel. In. fact, there was a piece in the Free. Press, which is one of the most. defensive publications in Israel uh of. Israel in America right now, and they.

said they created a martyr out of. Mlemore and that it was an error. So, two of these things can be true at once. that you can be very supportive of. Israel and think that this was a massive. mistake because McLemore has now been. elevated to hero status because Israel. has become very unpopular in the United. States and nobody wants to see this type. of normal speech where he even went out. of his way to say to his Jewish brothers. and sisters this isn't about you it's. about you know that's another place. where two things can be true at once. Uh.

there are actually a lot of Jews in. Israel who have disagreed with. Netanyahu's prosecution of the war. And. so if you are conflating that with. anti-semitism and treating it as. objective an objective exercise in. anti-semitism, you're going to create a. martyr out of someone and honestly hurt. your own cause. I think that's exactly. what happened here. >> Yeah. Because you can absolutely have. nothing in your heart but love for. Jewish people, including your fellow. Americans, and be critical of the. Israeli government in the same way that. you can have love for your fellow.

Americans, but be critical of the. American government, and as many of us. are. Apparently, there was also an. objection to the imagery. He played this. song that was pro Palestine and he. played imagery on the screen that showed. like children hurting in Gaza and so on. And you know, people said, "Well, that. was upsetting." Okay, like I get it. I. get it. But it wasn't he wasn't showing. like anti-semitic images. He was showing. images of Gaza. I mean, this is. controversial for the reasons we.

discussed, but it wasn't like a bunch of. anti-semitic imagery. Um, so Robert. Craft, here's what's interesting to me. Robert Craft decides that he can't come. to Gillette Stadium that he owns, right? Because he's richer than God thanks to. the Patriots. So, I love the fact that. Robert Craft gets to play Mortal Arbiter. to anyone. >> Yes. Now, first of all, he Okay, so. first of all, he he's allowed Bruce. Springsteen to come through like, okay, so you can be I guess it depends on what. your politics are that he's going to. object to, right? He's very very very.

active in the pro-Israeli cause. And he. came out, the Wall Street Journal had a. piece today uh and where he said the. real problem is Hamas. This is why he. objected to uh Mammore's comments. because he said the real problem is. Hamas. Okay. In other words, he. disagrees with him. Like, >> what are you what are you doing? Like, many people believe the real problem is. Hamas, but that's not why you cancel. somebody and say you can never appear at. my stadium or get a bunch of other.

billionaire stadium owners and say, "Let's bar this guy." Um, again, if he. had worn that costume while doing it, now we're in business. Because to me, that was obviously openly anti-Semitic, but it was years ago and he wasn't doing. it here. Um, and then he said, "This. isn't about freedom of speech. It's. about hate speech." Which of course is. such a sophomoric thing to say. The the. whole purpose behind the First. Amendment, I hate to break it to you, is. not to protect speech you do like, it's.

to protect speech you cannot stand. And. hate speech is protected. Now, this is. not a government actor. So, the First. Amendment doesn't really apply here. So, it's spun off into a debate about. principles of free speech. you know, principles, which is fair because. outside of government censorship, we. have a general principle in this country. of like, do we want to censor speech or. don't we? Um, and then the other side. is, well, you have to be responsible for. your comments, you know, like you can't. just say things that are super. controversial and expect zero blowback.

on you. That's not real. So, I'm I'm. sympathetic to that, too. But just to. say on Robert Craft, I pulled the. article, okay, because I remember. covering this. Um, 2019, New England Patriots owner Robert Craft. paid for sex, reading here, off of WCVB. at a Florida day spa twice in two days. Twice in two days, including just a few. hours before his team won the AFC. Championship in Kansas City. How do I. know this? Affidavits from the case,

reports WCVB, were released on Monday. after the Palm Beach County State. Attorney, who's that our pal Dave. Arinburgg, he was at the time, decided. to file two misdemeanor charges against. Craft. In addition to containing graphic. details about the alleged crime, the. documents revealed that police stopped. Craft and checked his identification. after both of his visits. So what they. alleg Emily is he went into the spa at. the time he was 77 Orchids of Asia day. spa.

>> Oh my god. >> It's like the quality ling. >> quality massage. >> Orchids of Asia. Try explaining that to. the wife. Okay. First time he went in at. 4:45 p.m. on Saturday and he stayed for. about 40 minutes. Now I could be like. the fast massage. Generally they come. in, you know, 45 to 60 to 90 minute. intervals, but whatever. >> You do what in 45 to 60 minute. intervals.

>> Well, we don't really have to guess. about what happened in there because. there was a camera placed by law. enforcement who suspected something was. going on at the Orchid Day Spa, Asian. Spa or Orchids of Asia, day spa. And uh. reportedly, according to the affidavit, they saw him lie on his back on the. massage table and get pleasured by an. Orchids of Asia worker. So when he.

leaves, he gets pulled over by the cops. They like he's caught red-handed and he. still goes back the next day. The next. day, they say, "All right, >> you got to respect it." Unfortunately, I. have to take a break, but I've got to. tell you, I'm up against a hard break. here on SiriusXM, but I'm going to tell. you what happened when he went back the. next day, which is even more graphic. And just a quick quick a quick, you. know, spoiler, the reason these charges. were ultimately dropped is because the.

video was deemed like it was improper. it was a violation of his privacy and. other people's privacy because they. didn't know they were being videotaped, you know, naked in the Orchids of Asia. day spa. So, his crafty lawyers, crafty, uh, got the case dismissed, but that. doesn't mean he didn't do it. It got. dismissed on a technicality about the. video, which he then begged them to. delete. I'll tell you what was in the. second video when we come right back. Don't go away. Let's talk about something that isn't.

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in, I'm all for it. Join us for the. tardy, which is what I was doing in. college when Mackmore was relevant. Better better to be an abuser of the. booze than of the sex traffic Asians at. the Orchids of Asia taste. >> That's why they pay you the big bucks. Megan transitions like those. >> Which leads me back to Robert Craft. I'm. sorry, but this whole thing like I love. that you're not allowed to talk about. it. Like if you ask Tom Brady, he's.

like, "Oh no, I can't talk about it.". Remember at his roast it was the one. thing you couldn't touch. It's like, "Okay, uh let's just get real. This guy. was according to the affid the police. affidavit on tape getting jerked off and. then fellated by Asian orchids and who. were trafficked. This whole thing was a. trafficking investigation. And the only. reason he didn't get found guilty etc. even though he denied doing it and. maintained his innocence is because he. found a good lawyer to object uh.

fruitfully to the fact that he was. videotaped without his knowledge. So. they had to throw out the video tape and. without the videotape they had no. evidence. So here's what happened on day. two. By the way, the first one he he uh. Okay, so he was in there for 40 minutes. He left in a white Bentley. They pulled. over the vehicle and identified Craft by. his license, but then he went back to. the spa the next morning at 10:59 a.m. The AFC Championship game started at.

6:40. He had precious little time. So. this visit was only less than 15. minutes. They said Emily squeeze it in. There's so much. >> you you make time for selfcare. >> They reported at WCBB having read the. affidavit that the woman escorted him to. a room where the two hugged. Law. enforcement surveillance cameras then. captured the man disroing lying face up. on a massage table between or before the.

woman hugged him again and began. touching his genitals and performing. oral sex. After the sex act, the man got. dressed, gave the woman a $100 bill and. at least one other ident unidentifiable. bill according to the documents. Again, after leaving, he was pulled over in his. Bentley and officers identified him. again with his Massachusetts driver's. license, uh, etc., etc., et, etc. So, he. wound up, you know, he denied it, but he. wound up issuing a public apology to his. family. And look, you can make the. argument, who cares? You know, it's like.

sex workers, that's what the left calls. these people now, um, are trying to make. a living and no, there's a victimless. crime, but that's not true with sex. trafficking. There absolutely are. multiple victims engaged. And it is very. uncool that he was paying for sex at a. at a facility known for using trafficked. women. Um they're not there because. they're loving the work. Uh so he's just. gotten away with this And I. like it's fine. I don't pick on Robert.

Craft. I didn't make a huge deal when. this happened, but like just seeing him. play the morality card of like I will be. the arbiter of who is good and who is. bad is a little much. >> Well, listen. I mean this is a man who. leads by example, Megan. This is a man. who demonstrates the tenacity of the New. England Patriots on the field. Not only. did he go the day before, he went the. next day. He didn't have to do that, but. he was prioritizing his own self-care. And if. >> you think you scared me with this, you. we'll just see about that. >> And if you were driving around like a.

strip mall with an orchid, Asian orchid. uh sex parlor in a white Bentley, I. mean, again, just the courage to do. that. Everyone assumes you see that. happening, you're like, "Oh, this guy's. going to get a a happy ending." And he. did it openly. That's courageous. So I will tell you this whole thing I. think became a problem because of the. the costume that he dawned Mackmore in. 2014 because there have been other. artists like Coleplay has said some.

things uh you know Chris Martin along. the lines of I don't know if it was. exactly free Palestine but he's made. some pro Palestinian comments. There. have been some other artists who have. done it who have not gotten this level. of blowback. I think it's because. understandably, you know, like that. costume was beyond he did apologize for. it after he wore it, but it's once. you've seen it, it's un unseeable. You. know what I mean? Like you you know you. you you have a feeling at least of how.

this guy sees Jewish people and. therefore you have zero room for a. repeat offense. >> And so everything he said was taken in. the least favorable light and I have to. say I understand that. So, I think I. understand the Mammore blowback. Ed. Sheeran did nothing wrong. Get off of. his case. And I do still wish that these. stars would keep their politics to. theirelves to themselves. Like. Mackammore, I don't know. You You say he. has been, so maybe he doesn't have a. bunch of money, but he got a million.

bucks for this performance. So, he. doesn't have to worry about the illegals. who are trampling people's lives and. neighborhoods and call ICE a terrorist. organization. You know, it's like, you. I like that's just that gets no no. no playback. Nobody's actually giving. him any blowback whatsoever for that. It's only the comments about Israel. >> Well, I was going to say Robert Craft's. not mad about that. Robert Craft allowed. him to be booked at Gillette Stadium all. of those years after the costume. controversy, which I agree with you. I. mean, that is it it doesn't give you a. lot of room for a repeat offense. But.

saying free Palestine and then directly. directly saying that had nothing to do. with anti-semitism, like that's you. don't always hear that. But he also even. made the point of saying that to his. Jewish brothers and sisters. it wasn't. about anti-semitism. Uh, and so for. Robert Craft to make that move after. allowing him to be booked. I don't know. I mean, I think it it's just him your. your example is a good one actually. This whole massage parlor thing I think. is relevant because what you see is. somebody who very firmly believes that. his view of the world uh should be.

imposed via billionaires with all of. this control money. uh when there are. decent human beings who don't go to sex. parlors and disagree with them on this. issue because they take issue with the. way that American blood and treasure has. been spilled in the conflict. They take. issue reasonably so with the women and. children who were killed in Gaza. And. you can agree or disagree with that. But. uh Robert Craft is very convinced of his. own self-righteousness. So much so that. he is willing to say that this is hate. speech that concerts must be cancelled.

over. And I think it just speaks to a a. demented billionaire mindset where uh. they have the entitlement to do this and. they know what's right and the American. people who disagree with them are either. bigots or dumb. And your point about the. commercial incentives here I think is. there are a lot of concert growers who. might not want to be bombarded with. these awful images coming out of Gaza. and the West Bank. And so I can. understand the Sharan perspective that. hey you know maybe don't do that right. like say what you want free Palestine.

maybe don't do that if that's what was. happening behind scene behind the scenes. I think it's more defensible than. certainly what Robert Craft uh has has. now determined is the correct path. forward. >> Oh and getting all his other billionaire. buddies to make sure that he couldn't be. booked at any future stadium and really. leaving Ed Sheran with no choice. And. now Malcolm Moore has said he's going to. donate his million dollars to um a free. Gaza type organization and he invited. Robert Craft to match it. And then Craft.

said, well, Ed Sheeran already asked me. to match his donation of 2 million and. so I'm going to make a donation to help. people in the region, which is like, well, what does that mean? I like. whatever. If you It's fine to be pro-. Israel. Just say you're pro Israel and. you're going to donate it to help. Israelis. That's that's fine, too. Like. there's obviously very strong feelings. on both sides of this one. And as the. war has gone on and as the devastation. in Gaza has climbed to astronomical. numbers with you know I mean just tens. of thousands of dead innocents including.

children. Um and that's from the. Israelis. You don't have to take like I. I'm very cautious about reporting. numbers out of this region because the. pal the the Hamas is like the world king. of propaganda but the Israelis are not. bad at it either. And so everyone's. trying to manipulate us into saying. their numbers or their facts and it's. it's just like a pointless exercise at. this point. But the Israelis will tell. you tens of thousands have died in Gaza.

and they're not all Hamas. The vast. majority of them are not Hamas. And they. say it's Hamas's fault because Hamas. hides amidst civilians. But they admit. to the civilian deaths. This is why. people say genocide also because of the. starvation that's been happening there, which people believe has turned into. effectively a tactic. The Israelis deny. it. Oh, we could be here all day. Anyway, this is why I wouldn't want it. at my concert. You know, it's like I I. don't want to think about that. I don't. want to think about anything dark. You. go to the movies, you go to the. concerts, you go to a comedian to like.

have a laugh, have a distraction from. all this stuff and or at least maybe if. it's if it's a comedian to make light of. it, you know, to like be able to laugh. that we're all going to be dead in three. years if this AI dumerism is true. Whatever. Okay, let's keep going. Uh, oh, by the way, all of Ed Sheeran's. additional warm-up acts canceled on him. now because they're all mad at Ed. Sheeran because they're on the Malcolm. Morris side and his band his band quit. So, like reportedly he has no backup. band now. So, it's just going to be I.

guess an acoustic engine, >> which is what most people want anyway to. be honest. >> He'll be fine. Yeah, my my team reminds. me that it was Adele he said he wanted. to be better than they could have sworn. it was Beyonce. Either way, same thing. That was his last biggest controversy. All right, I want to keep going. Sunonny. Host is in the news today. She is very, very upset, Emily, because unbeknownst. to everyone, she's been writing books on. the side of her day gig over at The.

View. And and not just any books, romance novels. >> Oh, no. >> Romance novels. and she is convinced. that the reason her trust me smash hit. romance novels have not been made into. movies. Can you guess what the reason. might be? >> Oh, I can guess and I think it has. something to do with skin color. Ding ding ding. Let's watch 24. And one. of the reasons I partnered with this.

company is because I've written a. trilogy and for six years I've tried to. get my films or my stories made into. series and films. And the gatekeeping in. Hollywood around black and brown. creative content is insane. I cannot get. New York Times bestselling books onto. the screen to tell diverse stories to. diverse communities. >> So what does that have to do with AI? With AI, it cuts out the gatekeeping. You get to film director.

>> No, they're they're generated. I've. licensed. my image and so I I I may appear. Where's Waldo? >> Robot now. >> I may I may appear, but but in all. seriousness, it's a way to go then to a. streamer and say, "Here's the product. Will you license it? Will you show it?". It's a way, I think, to get black and. brown stories told. There are a lot of I. and they're not those stories are not. being told.

>> So she's having it made into a movie. with an AI company with AI actors etc. and an AI Sunny and even like she's. getting blowback on this even from some. left-wing publications saying so wait a. minute you could have like self-funded. for the tune of a couple million bucks. at most some small production with. actual black and brown people playing. the parts but instead just you will make. money as you are depicted in the films.

and since there are no live people. nobody else gets the spoils how's How is. that empowering black and brown people? But can we just start with the absurd. notion that Hollywood is antilack and. brown films and TV projects? Did anybody. turn on a television anytime after June. of 2020. >> before too? I mean this is there are. quotas at the Oscars. They implemented. quotas at the Oscars. Like this is a. multi-millionaire.

wealthy woman complaining that what is. almost certainly her mediocre work is. not being turned into racism, right? Like she's leveraging obviously she's. leveraging racism, impuging the motives, calling people in the industry bigots. when they have been bending over. backwards in ways that I actually think. verge on bigotry, just a different type. of bigotry from what Sunny Host is. accusing them of, but actually profiling. people based on their race for the. purposes of filling quotas. She's asking. for more of that in the name of stopping.

racism. And it's fascinating. Joy. Behar's not even buying it. That was. hilarious. But on top of that, it's for. me. I'm the victim. And you hear it like. it's not her saying, "I'm doing this.". She could she could in that con in that. clip, she could have been making the. argument, "I'm doing this for all of the. other black and brown creators who are. being gay cap." No, that was just Sunny. Hos being like, "My books are good and. nobody will make them into movies. because I'm brown.". >> right? No one will say they're good. It's like, this is so absurd. You know.

how hard it is to get your book made. into a movie? I will vouch for this. I. am married to a very talented author who. writes actual non-fiction stories that. read like novels. Um, but the one about. Rudolph Diesel, that was his first. non-fiction. Now he's got one about. Emanuel Nobel and Joseph Stalin. They're. so good. The one about Diesel though in. particular has big motion picture. written all over it. I mean, like the. team that did Oppenheimer should totally. be optioning this book and then making. it a movie, but they didn't because it's.

very hard to get your book, even a New. York Times bestseller, which both of his. non-fiction books have been and most of. his fiction books were too. Um, it's. very hard to get them made into movies. There's just limited dollars running. around Hollywood and, you know, has to. strike somebody's fancy, but she's got. to play the race card. Why do you have. to play the race card at every turn? Even the skeptical view ladies were. like, I don't know. So maybe Emily, maybe. maybe they really are good. Okay, there.

we're going to go through it. All right, we're going to tell you. >> Yes, there are three books. Summer on. the Bluffs, Summer on Sag Harbor, and. Summer on Highland Beach. Um, and we. have an excerpt from Summer on Highland. Beach. And Emily, you you may know that. this is something we do at the MK show. from time to time is we take you into. dramatic reading territory. I've done. this before. We did it during the. Stormmy Daniels testimony at the Trump.

>> The hair is going up. The hair's going. up. >> Going sexy librarian. Or really just. kind of looks like drunk anchor. But. okay, there the the hair is up. >> Let's go. >> OH, WE GOT THE. >> AFTER party Megan. >> Got the we got the candle light. background just for the listening. audience. And I am going to re Oh, I. need my my glasses on. My sexy. librarian. Oh, there's the music. Feel like I'm at the Orchid Day spa.

Orchids of Asia. Okay, here we go. Here's the excerpt. Undeterred by her wave, Garrett pulled. her close to his side. "Now Garrett, sorry, I'm starving," he said. Once they. were inside the door, he kicked it shut, cuped her face, and kissed her deeply. Desire hit her hard and fast. She was. burning up, sparked by fire, lit by joy. She'd forgotten how delicious spearmint.

tasted on his lips. As if a gun had gone off at the start of. a race, they hurriedly pulled off each. other's clothes. "I miss you," Olivia. gasped between kisses. Me, too. You were. gone for too long. It had only been a. week, but she didn't have time to tease. him. He lifted her and moved them to his. bedroom, then tossed her down on his. soft king-sized bed. Put me in, he.

growled. Mr. Craft, isn't there an AFC. Championship game? Oh, no. Wrong story. She shivered at his demand. Sometimes. Garrett could be so incredibly gentle. she felt like crying. But today he was in a mood, a mood to. dominate. "Do it, Olivia," he demanded. in a dangerous whisper. "Oh, let me redo. it. Do it, Olivia.". >> Oh, that was a dangerous whisper.

>> Do it. Pulling pulling her legs apart. Okay, my trucker friends are now paying. attention. He nudged at the opening. Oh, here we go. daring her to give in. "Sunnies, get some." She stared at him, a living work of art, raking her fingers. across the sprinkling of hair that. covered his broad chest. "Do it," he. said between soft kisses. along her collar bone. Her fingers. dragged down his long muscled back to.

his thick thighs. "Olivia, now" she. finally honored his demand. Cuffed his. ass. Oh. and guided him inside. He hissed as if she burned. "Well, you. should see a doctor for that, Sunny." He. paused for a moment and then thrust. deeper. She squeezed, gasping, overwhelmed by his strength. He groaned. in her ear, rocking back and forth with.

ferocity. "Garrett, I. miss your smile, your taste.". This is sex talk. I miss your smile. That's the worst sex talk ever. He was. brea breathing heavily as though he'd. run a marathon like my son who I helped. avoid criminal charges. Miss you. Miss. you. I had lived. Olivia kissed his.

throat until the first wave of her. orgasm hit. Locking her legs around his. waist, she clenched his shoulders and. held on until they crashed in bliss. "Wow!" she gasped between breaths. "Wow, that's it. I'm so glad that's over.". >> What? Whose sexy Whose sexy action talk. is? I miss your smile. >> THINKING ABOUT that spearmint. Thinking.

about that spearmint. That is not how it's done. >> I mean that no. >> this is No, actually Megan I think we. might be missing something. Sunny Hson. is an expert at an expert at providing. daily pornography for liberal housewives. board minds. And I think that's what. she's doing. This is the she's in the. same business as she is in the view. This is just pornography for the board. housewives of America. And I I mean this.

when I was a when I was a young. reporter, uh I took it upon myself to. read every Stacy Abrams romance novel, every single one of them. And it's. exactly like this. And you can tell I. think there was a a point where I. counted how many times she described the. men's thighs as corded corded the corded. thighs. It was like a dozen times. throughout these books. But it's. terrible writing. And Sunonny Host. should know this is why it's not being. made into a movie. So clearly this is the whole point of.

reading it is I think we all know now. why it has not been optioned for a. movie. This is absurd pabum. Who would. want to make this into a movie? What? Like so you you want to see a sex scene. with black and brown bodies? I mean. there's plenty of them. Plenty. Pick. your random series on Netflix. You're. going to see a whole lot of it. Thankfully she avoided the corded That. was a Stacy Abrams thing. Corded thighs. What's a corded thigh? >> I think it's like muscle. But she kept. using the word corded. Yeah, it does.

sound medical. >> Isn't this what Bridgetgerton is, by the. way? Like this is exactly what she's. complaining about is that there's. gatekeeping. This is like the point of. Bridgetgerton. >> I I just like I the hubris in being. like, it's got to be my skin color. There's just no other reason why people. wouldn't want me. Okay. All right. Keep. telling yourself that. Now, speaking of. sexy women, Sydney Sweeney, we've got to hit this. ad. We're hitting the ad. Um, Sydney. Sweeney is back in trouble again. This.

too, I got to say, I don't get it. So, there's, you know, how there's like Cali. and like these betting markets. There's. a new one that's out and it's called. Nordig, Novig, sorry, Novig. N O VI. And. they're they're not like Kshi and the. other one. They um only take bets on. sports, like prediction markets, predictions on sports, and they're. looking to get some attention. And. indeed, they did a good thing because.

I'm talking about them here for free on. the MK show, and that I wasn't doing. that before the Sydney Sweeney ad. But. there's been a predictable. leftist feminist meltdown, I guess. I'm. not sure if they're all leftist. feminists. I'm just assuming. someone. just like some female athletes are. pissed, >> but I again I don't get it and I'm all. for the female athletes, but like I. Since the dawn of time, we've been. selling sports to men by using sexy. women in ads that air during the.

sporting events, in the bars where they. watch the sporting events, you know, in. products around the sporting events. because men tend to like sports and beer. and sexy women. And this is not. particularly controversial. until now, until this year, until Sydney. Sweeney is the woman, I guess, uh, who. is a registered Republican and did the. controversial jeans ad, so she must be. punished. So, here is the ad where she. is nude. You can't see actual like. genitals, but you know, you see the.

outlines of breasts and so on. That's um. leading to the backlash. Here it is. >> Think you know sports? Prove it. Novig. is just sports. So they wanted to show just sports. You can trade this sport. and this sport. How about this? This sport too.

or this. sports sports sports sports sports. sports sports sports sports. You can't trade this. I just look at. here. No betting on wars or deaths and. no politics. Just you, your takes on sports. Okay. Not exactly an orchid of Asia, but. she is hot.

>> She's doing it willingly. At least we. know that. >> she is doing it willingly. Totally. different situation. But now we've got. like female athletes. Um Amy Hunt who is. a British sprinter. Uh she's got some. posts which I think what do we have. video of them? What is it? Let's watch. 16. sweetie. This is what women in sport. look like. 214. muscles hard work sweat blood tears. This is a beautiful beautiful evening.

>> Okay Sydney Sweeney. This is what women. in sports look like. Then there's Gracie. Kramer, an American gymnast who went to. Instagram with a highlight reel. Let's. watch some of that. So, it's no sound. It's her doing her. gymnasts and it said it reads, "I don't. know what Sydney Sweeney was doing, but. this is what a woman in sports looks. like." Now, you tell me, Emily. I don't.

She never purported to be a woman in. sports. She never said, "This is what a. woman in sports looks like." She just. said, "Sports, sports. This is sports. Sports." Like, and she was promoting for. the most parts that are dominated by. men, like football and basketball. Like, I don't explain what's happening. >> I don't know. I mean, so many female. athletes want to see themselves as. victims. Sorry, I'm with you, Megan. supporting all of these female athletes.

who have gone through uh some legitimate. cases of just ridiculous politics. entering into their sports. But but uh. you can just tell by the fact that this. makes no sense. As you outlined, Sydney. Sweeney wasn't holding herself up as an. example of a real female athlete. If the. ad had said, "This is what a real female. athlete looks like and it's Sydney. Sweeney like airbrushed looking. beautiful like she hasn't sweat at all,". that's different. But that's not. actually even what the ad said. Like. there was no implication. There was no. argument in the ad at all. I mean, it's.

an incredible stretch to get to that. point. So, the reflex to say that this. is somehow victimizing women. I mean, if. if anything, uh, this is using soft. pornography to get young men addicted to. sports betting, which we have already, you know, there all kinds of. disagreements with this. Obviously, I'm. on very firmly on one side of it, but. there are all kinds of bad outcomes. statistically that you can see happening. with sports betting. So, if anything, they should be upset about Sydney. Sweeney exploiting her body and her fame. to help get poor men uh many like.

economically disadvantaged and desperate. men, men across the income spectrum, but. particularly economically disadvantaged. and desperate men addicted to a sports. betting app. But no, it has to be about. us, the female athletes who work hard. and sweat and look disheveled. It's. like, great. Everybody knows that. Nobody's saying that doesn't happen. Of course, nobody's taking a shot at. female athletes or saying that they have. to look like Sydney Sweeney. It's like. it's truly like a madeup insult that. they're purporting to be feeling. The. Athletic, which is the New York Times's.

sports offshoot, they had an opinion. piece headline, "The Sydney Sweeney. advertisement ignores decades of. progress. It is time warp stuff that. hurts me so much." By Megan Finga, uh. their their woman's UK-based woman's. football writer. She argues that. Sweeny's campaign undermines female. athletes work to be recognized for their. ability, reinforcing the idea that. women's greatest value is their sex. appeal. What. >> what how does it say that's our greatest.

value? And by the way, you know what. that really bothers me about these. leftist women? They never acknowledge. that it is one of our values. >> And like there's nothing wrong with that. either. You know, like Sydney Sweeney, it would it would like be a tragedy if. that woman didn't occasionally show off. that body. Like I don't I if I look like. that, I'd be doing nude ads, too. Why is. it They're They're so judgy about a. gorgeous woman who wants to show it, even though they were supposed to be.

like the foremothers of the sexual. revolution and we were supposed to be. leaning into that, not being apologetic. for it. But when you have that person. emerge in 2026, almost 2027 America, she. has to be shamed. Why? Again, because. she's a Republican. >> And barely any of them object to. pornography anymore at all. I mean, this. was a huge part of the feminist battles. in the late 80s, early 90s, Andrew. Dwerkin and the like. But that has been. totally totally bulldozed by the. feminists who are entirely supportive of. pornography. So, it's not even like. that's how you can tell that this is not.

coherent feminism at all because they're. literally just it's a victim complex. they don't make as much money as men and. that has as the male athletes and that. has I think created this culture of. victimhood inside female sports which is. again so so unnecessary like own how. strong and uh like talented you are and. stop blaming sexualization and men and. all of these different boogeymen and. accept that people prefer watching men's. sports like it's so unnecessary.

>> I know honestly just and And Sydney. Sweener must have been feeling the heat. because she posted something pointing. out that uh like many many well-known. women from uh. Serena Williams to Ronda Rousey to Megan. Rapino. God remind me not to buy this. episode or this magazine of ESPN's Body. Issue have posted have posed nude. Who. the hell wants to see Megan Rapino nude? Um, but they've like a lot of these very.

successful female athletes have have. celebrated their bodies in the nude in a. sporting magazine like ESPN. It's like. just calm down. Calm down, you. Puritans. And if you want us to. celebrate your athletic accomplishments, then post them. Say crushed the 500. I. don't know what they they do, but like. don't don't start like trying to advance. your own feminism by cutting down. another woman's version of what makes. her feel good about herself. And by the.

way, if you care about women's sports. and if you care about the integrity of. sports in general, again, maybe take. issue, not with Sydney Sweeney looking. hot in an ad, but take issue with the. fact that sports betting is has the. potential to corrupt the integrity of. the game. They're not mad about any of. that. They're just looking to latch on. to an excuse that is all superficial. identity politics and with very little. substance because you can't even make. the coherent argument that they are. they're arguing against the phantom of. what they think the ad was. >> Here's the other gling thing. None of.

these women has stood up for actual. women. >> protecting their sports from men, >> right? Like they're very upset that men. want to look at a sexy woman to get. excited about sports betting. that. that's that somehow is a denigration of. all womankind. But they'll say nothing. when actual men want to come into. women's sports like basketball where. they're actively hurting teenage women. as we speak. No, they won't say a word.

about that. So spare me the you are the. champions of women speak. It's. right? It's like if Jennifer say or. Riley Gaines or Sage Steel want to come. out and say I'm offended by this, they. might have a platform because they've. stood up for women across the board in. sports on these issues that matter. But. they're not saying that because they're. normal and they understand offering a. little, you know, dangling a little sexy. lingerie situation over here to get a. man to watch a sports game or bet on a.

sports game has nothing to do with. female athletes who crush it every day. on the field and on the court. >> when they're not actually brave. If they. if they were actually brave and they. wanted to take a political stance, yeah, they have an opportunity to do that, which they have not taken. >> Yeah. All right. Now, last but not. least, Tom Cruz is on the cover of GQ. And while I respect the fact that Tom. Cruz is truly the world's biggest movie. star and has been for a long time and. he's incredibly talented, he is posing.

with his shirt open, his he's got like. low rider jeans on. They're way below. the belly button and he's kind of. pulling them down. He's 64 years old. now. And I'm just gonna say, Emily, I. I've given Holly Berry a hard time for. like revealing too much for too long. You know, I do think that there's a. point at which women should lean into. their wisdom, the fact that they still. look great, but they don't have to be a. sex pot. It's just very kind of weird in.

the mid60s. And it's the weird It's. weird for Tom Cruz, too. It's too much. Like I don't I didn't want to see that. I Tom Cruz of all people does not have. to unbutton. the shirt. He's Tom Cruz. Why do they. all feel like they have to try so hard? >> Yeah. I don't know. Um and I'm looking. at this image like he looks good for 64. as is often the case, but he's looks. old. You know, he's not at his peak. sexuality. There's obviously no question.

about it. So, is the point he's trying. to make that you can is is it that you. can still look sexy at 64? I mean, I. guess I guess like good for you. Like, yeah, you look good for a 64 year old. Uh, but for a 64 year old, I mean, you. don't have to be showing almost your. crotch. It just it is unnecess I think. it's undignified. I feel like that's. what it is. It's undignified. Like, you've had a fantastic career. You're a. talented actor. Totally. Yeah. have many. issues with his Scientology associations. and all of that, but without even.

getting into it, just his public. persona, uh, he's pretty well-liked. He's seen as a very serious actor who. has had a very successful career. People. generally accept his talent. So, it does. seem undignified of all things to be. selling yourself sexually when you're 64. years old and you have that career. behind you. >> And it's like Tom Tom Cruz takes off his. shirt in a lot of movies. We saw him. with the shirt off in Top Gun Maverick. Fine. Like, he can show off his fit body. if he's proud of it. That's fine. But. like here, what would have been so wrong. with seeing Tom Cruz in like an.

amazingly cut Tom Ford suit, something. that fit him perfectly, and he looked. like a boss, like leaning into who he's. become now at this point in his career, which is like a Hollywood boss, a an. employer of others, a guy with a string. of hits. You know, Yashar Ali is very. upset that the writer didn't ask him a. single question about some of the. Scientology controversies, and I get. that, too. But GQ, like it's been 20. years since he sat down with them, and. I'm sure they were like,

>> "You can say whatever you want. We'll. agree to not touch whatever you want. just to get Tom Cruz." I'm just more. like I I don't get it. I didn't I didn't. understand why like some of these more. mature women, Madonna's another one, can't like lean into their badass phase. that doesn't revolve around nudity. I I. think they are under the impression that. the novelty of looking good when you're. old hasn't worn off because it actually. has. Like there are you obviously I. think part of what's questionable to me. about Tom Cruz choosing to do this is.

you can tell that he has had some. interventions to make himself look. younger and keep looking good. Totally. And that's a novelty that's totally worn. off. Like we all understand that you can. do that now. We understand that you can. look good at 64 in a way that you. couldn't 30 years ago because we didn't. have certain technologies that we have. now that are especially available to the. ultra ultra wealthy. And it's like if. you did this in 1990, I guess maybe. there would be something different. But. doing it in 2026, everyone's like, "Yeah, okay. We get it, dude. You have. tons of money. You can pump your face.

with all of the best compressor pres.". But so the novelty I think has worn off. and I don't know that they fully. understand that or have grappled with it. yet. >> And I there's also the other element of. like the closer you get to genuinely old. you know which he's not 64 is not. genuinely old but like god god rest her. you know Dolly. >> she showed like that the the Dallas. Cowboys thing. It was amazing. It was a. feat of nature. Well, not nature, but. like it was incredible that she was in.

that out. But it's also like. it's tough to sell 80 as like your super. sexy phase. And I know they're trying to. revolutionize. I just feel like when I. am 80, I really hope to have that. pressure entirely gone from my life. I. really am looking forward to being like, I have so much I want to tell you as. opposed to show you. You know, that's. that's my own hope. Anyway, all right. Um, you can hear what Emily Jazinski has. to tell us now coming soon 4 pm during.

the Dardy Mondays and Wednesdays. And we. will see you in just a bit on the. wrap-up show, my friend. Thank you for. everything. >> Thanks, Megan. >> All right, we're coming back next on the. details of that tragic helicopter crash, which we're going to get into. specifically what went wrong as an NBC. News helicopter went down, killing three. people. We are still a couple of months out, but. the midterms are fast approaching. And. make no mistake, if the house flips, and.

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well as some very solid information. The. midterms are going to be here before you. know it, so don't wait. Text MK to. 989898. We told you about this story on AM. update, but we've got to get some more. analysis on the stunning NBC4 Los. Angeles helicopter crash on Tuesday. It. killed pilot George Marseno and reporter. Elelliana Moreno as well as a man on the. ground. And our condolences to the. entire NBC family. That is just. absolutely awful. And to the families of.

those killed, it's something that we see. all the time. You know, in news, obviously, we rely heavily on these very. brave helicopter pilots and reporters to. bring us news in places that we can't. get to necessarily. And as civilians who. want to know what's happening, you know, especially an incident like this where. what happened was a woman in an SUV. crossed into the wrong lane, the. oncoming traffic, and hit uh a bus, a. city bus, and people were dead, and they.

were just trying to deliver the news. So, civilians depend on them. News. people obviously do too. And it's it's. understood, of course, that helicopters. can be dangerous. And even NBC had lost. a crew back in the late 70s in a similar. helicopter, but it's it's never not. stunning. I mean, it's just. such a tragedy. Here to discuss more. with us is Alan C. Mack. He's a former. special ops helicopter pilot. So Alan, I'm just going to play a bit of the.

reporting as the NBC on the street. reporter, the guy who was reporting on. the bus accident started to realize that. there had been an explosion and did not. yet totally understand in the beginning. of this longer clip that it was a. helicopter, much less that it was his. channels helicopter with people he. presumably knew. But here's a bit of the. scene. >> Robert, we need you to move. Robert, we're going to need you to move towards. that smoke and and and. get closer to that scene immediately.

Okay? We're still working to get. information on exactly what happened, but we're going to ask right now as best. you can that you and your crew move in. that direction immediately. >> Stay with us, please. We're trying to. get we're trying to get information on. this. This happened just as we went on. the air just a couple of minutes ago, and um we can tell you it's still in. Chadzsworth. Those are pictures from. Robert Kvassic. His crew had just. arrived on scene in Chad. >> We may have Robert and Land.

I trust me, I know it's I'm putting my. own life in my hands. Are you rolling? >> Robert, we are with you. If you can hear. us, Robert, >> go. Trust me. Stop, >> dude. THAT'S THE CREW RIGHT THERE. I'M. taking care of my own. >> What are you hearing? >> It's It's a media chopper, man. I don't. know. >> It's a chopper. >> Yeah, it's a media chopper. Came down. Are you okay? Can you tell me anything? >> A news helicopter went down. >> The news helicopter went down and uh. that I don't know about I don't know. about the injuries, but um we're just.

clearing everybody out. >> How bad is it? I have no idea. You can. see them. You can see the. >> Hi, my dear. Okay, so we're we're. understanding. Don't mention the name of. the network because we don't know and we. don't want to sort of alarm people. And it turns out it was his own network. The anchors were stunned as well. I. mean, the loss of life is going to be. very painful for everybody in the. newsroom. Again, just such a tragedy. So, do we have any idea, Alan, how this.

could happen? Because, you know, we see. these news helicopters at scenes like. this all the time without incident. >> Uh, no. I mean uh from what I've seen on. the video uh that you can find on social. media is that they had some type of. engine failure and you know it's a. single engine aircraft so you lose that. you have essentially think of Sully on. the Hudson right you've got one chance. to land that thing if you can't restart. the engine and they were in a altitude. and um air speed profile that really.

wasn't favorable to successfully landing. >> there. Can I ask you because the um. there's a helicopter pilot um well known. um. I know the last name's Tur and I can't. forgive me I don't remember the first. name but Turr um who's more than 10,000. flight hours and has owned two. helicopters I think similar to this one. has given an interview with the New York. Post and said I think there was Zoey uh.

I think there was a good chance the. aircraft could have been brought down. safely if the pilot reacted quickly. enough. I'm going to get a lot of heat. over this, but I'm a reporter. This is. my experience and I'm seldom wrong when. it comes to these situations. Um, now. suggesting that there was something that. that uh the video and audio according to. TUR point to low rotor RPM rather than a. hydraulic failure. And Tur suggests that. low rotor RPM is survivable. like you.

could have gotten out of it but not not. the way this helicopter was positioned. Does that do you understand what Tur is. saying there? >> Yeah, exactly. Uh technically he's. correct. If you have a antiseptic. uh scene, you with no wires, no. obstacles on the ground, uh depends on. exactly how high they are flying in the. airspeed, which I I can't tell from the. video, but you know, there's what we. call the height velocity diagram, otherwise known as the dead man's curve, which is for a helicopter, especially a.

single engine helicopter. uh your height. above the ground and your air speed fall. with an envelope where the aircraft is. capable of maintaining rotor RPM to do. what's called an auto rotation and you. know land success successfully on the. ground. In this case it looked like they. were. >> just just to be clear and our audience. should know I mean you you are like a. storied helicopter pilot. You've flown. these most dangerous missions for our US. military. We've talked to you about it. on Memorial Day of this past year and um. you've talked about some of the very.

hairy landings you've had to do. But if. you're having an RPM problem with the. with the rotor with the blades and there. what I guess that means that they start. to slow down. >> The way to get out of it at least. according to what I'm reading is. potentially to go what to go up or to go. down. >> Down. >> So you bring the helicopter down lower. You descend quickly in what's called the. auto rotational aerodynamic phase which. the air blows up through the rotor spins. it keeps it within the operating RPM. When you get to the very bottom you.

depending on the aircraft type could be. 50 ft 25 ft 75 ft. Uh you you apply. cushion you know you apply collective. and that cushions the landing and you. land. So you got one shot at that and. you know it's if you wait too long in. the diagnosis which you know it takes. you know a brief half second or so to. realize that you have indeed lost an. engine and look for a landing area which. you know they were focused on their job. you know doing the the electronic news.

gathering. So you know the pilot you. know had his his attention mostly on uh. focusing the the camera on the scene. So. then what you hear is the audio of the. rotor system starting to decay as the. engine fails and then the alarm the. alarm goes off. You know, it lets him. know what he's got to do. But now he's. still got to look outside the window, find a landing area, and successfully. put the aircraft in that position, which. at that altitude, you know, it's you got.

to be really good in a lot a lot of luck. really. So they needed to be higher in your. judgment in order to. >> and it's hard to tell because the images. that I've seen come from their camera. which is zoomed in. So you know they're. probably between 500 and 800 feet which. is right at the edge of that aircraft's. uh height velocity diagram. So you know. >> they um the there's as you point out. there's video online. We don't have the. rights to it so we we're not showing it. but there is that tells us more. and the.

the live or the sound from the. helicopter suddenly changes in the live. feed. The engine can be heard winding. down. An alarm begins sounding and. Mareno, the reporter, quietly says, "Uh-oh." The picture begins dropping as. the helicopter loses altitude and then. Mareno asks the pilot, "You can't pull. up." Seconds later, the feed ends. Mhm. >> Um there's there was also um at least. one report in the LA Times that you can. hear sounds consistent with the engine.

changing speed as well as cockpit. advisory tones, though the NTSB has not. yet determined precisely what failed. So. from the sounds that you heard on that. video, Alan, do you think are you in. agreement with Tur that this this looks. like um an RPM of the rotor problem? >> Yeah. So it's an engine problem which is. so the engine drives the rotor and by. spinning that's how you get air flowing. over the the rotary wings right so an. airplane you go forward as fast as you. need to to get lift and in a helicopter.

you spin the rotors to get that lift so. you lose the engine it drags down very. very fast you know and you don't have a. lot of time you know the only the only. thing they could do in that case had. they had enough altitude or nothing in. front of them no obstacles is to. essentially. nose the aircraft over to gain some. speed, which you know will increase your. rate of descent, which also brings the. air up through the rotor system to try. to get that ro, you know, operating RPM. back. But, you know, it's tough, you.

know, when when somebody makes a. successful landing like that, you know, it's like, "Oh my god, that guy is. amazing." Because it's not that easy to. do. >> Yeah. Yeah. uh and especially when. you're right on top of an emergency. response where they've got already. ambulances and fire trucks and there's. probably no clear place that you would. put the aircraft down. Um so and and you. don't have time to think, right? That's. the other thing. There is no time to. >> There's no time. It, you know, it. reminds me, you know, you get all kinds.

of people, you know, with ideas on how. they could have done it. I take you back. to the Sully situation where you know. the uh in the investigation they told. pilots you know they were going to turn. to Tito or Laguardia or whatever they're. going to do but they knew it ahead of. time and you know eventually they had to. say look you have to have time to. diagnose the problem and once they did. nobody could make those airfields. >> It's just so disturbing. I'm sure the. the their families are just devastated. She was recently engaged. He was heading. toward retirement. He was a very.

experienced uh pilot. So there was not. an inexperienced problem there, but. clearly they're going to be looking into. this helicopter and whether anything was. wrong with it. And we will wait for the. NTSB report on that. Allan, thank you. for your service. Great to see you. again. Thanks for coming on in a pinch. >> And thanks to all of you for listening. and watching. We're going to be back. tomorrow with our pal Moren Callahan. That's always a good time. Thanks for. being here. See you then.