DSA Candidate Slams "Proximity To Whiteness," and Tennis Star SUPPORTS Women, w/ Taibbi and Orzabal

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Because they continue to have serious. trouble over on the Democrats side in. finding their nominee to take on Susan. Collins. This is a seat that they felt. really good about about 2 months ago, not so much anymore. So, Grant Plathner. was forced out of the race when multiple. women came forward against him and. ultimately a woman with whom he had a. relationship came forward to accuse him. of rape. Um, he dropped out. Now they've settled. on Troy Jackson to replace him.

And um. Troy Jackson, as it turns out. Matt, is married to his second cousin. >> [laughter]. >> Um. That's extremely weird. Okay, that's. like you and your first cousin. have children, they're not married, but. they're lifelong partners and they have. children together. Um, you and your first cousin. have children and those children get. well, life partners, become life.

partners and have have children of their. own. So, you picture your first cousin. out there. you have a child, he has a child your. children get together and have a family. including biological children of their. own. I'm sorry, it's too much. having relations and children together. and now he's commenting on it. This. report hit uh a couple of days ago. Now. he's speaking out. His campaign called.

the reporting by the um the Maine Wire, it's a local outlet, politically. motivated blaming Susan Collins. Quote, Susan Collins will do anything to. distract from the fact that she votes. with Trump 96% of the time and has sold. out the working people of Maine. Um, personal attacks on Troy's family. are shameful. and desperate. But they don't add untrue. Matt Taibbi, they seem to be admitting he is having.

sex with his second cousin and. reproducing with her, which I'm sorry is. just creepy. Your thoughts? >> Yeah, um this is something that oddly. enough even. it's legal to marry even first cousins. in a lot of countries in in the world. Um I. I actually know somebody know a couple. of second cousins who are married. Um but uh it's it's an odd thing. And. the And the thing that's really.

interesting about this is the reflexive. answer. That this has become the go-to. answer to everything. The almost. everything is either butt Trump. or why are you talking about that now? Um and it's it's sort of the standard. way to non-debate an issue or non-answer. a question. in this day and age. So uh but May Maine. is a fiasco. I think it's sort of the. poster child for all the problems that. the Democratic Party's facing right now.

>> And here's what's interesting, too. So. his response is to say Trump Trump Trump. Trump. And also, you know, in the same I. mean that's what he's saying by saying. Susan Collins. You know, this is all. Susan Collins and her her affinity for. Trump, which is laughable. Most. Republicans would say they wish Susan. Collins would have a greater affinity. for Trump. >> Right. >> But in any event, um the the guy at the. Maine Wire, the editor-in-chief, his. name is Steve Robinson, actually came. out and spoke to that allegation. Listen.

here in sought nine. >> I wanted to check in and give a little. update on the. consanguinity story with Troy Jackson. For those who don't know, consanguinity. is the fancy word for banging your. cousin. Now, I'm just a humble blogger. from Dexter. [laughter]. I don't know fancy communication stuff. like all the DC consultants that Troy. Jackson has on his payroll. So, maybe I. don't understand the wisdom of the. statement that they put out. Uh but,

they effectively confirmed all of the. reporting that The Maine Wire has done. Uh they put out a statement saying that. this was Susan Collins' work. But, don't. go around giving other people credit for. my work. This was original investigative. work that came to us from a tip, and we. investigated it, uh pulled together a. little family tree, uh. family wreath on ancestry.com, confirmed. the work, and we're confident in enough. to in it enough to report it out. This. had nothing whatsoever to do with.

Senator Collins. >> I'm into this guy. He's got a sense of. humor, Matt. >> Yeah, no, that's very funny. And, you. know, that the I can see why you would. be upset if, um, you know, if they're. essentially saying this is a plant from. Trump and Susan Collins, and he actually. dug that up himself. Uh. that that's something I've dealt with in. the past before is, uh being accused of. being, uh the conveyer of opposition. research when that's not the case at. all. Uh. and they don't even bother to confirm. that that's the case anymore when they.

when they do that. So, it's it's very. >> That's right. They just want to slander. him. >> Consanguinity. That's great word, yeah. Mhm. >> I know. I haven't heard that one in a. while. But, like, in Troy Jackson's defense, where do you. go with that? Yes, I am banging my. second cousin. Like, [laughter]. that's really. the response. It's true. I'm banging a. blood relative. Ew, I'm sorry, it's. gross. The Republicans of Maine have now. responded with the following. Uh to everyone planning to call our.

office about this Troy Jackson news, we. just had to say, "No, we do not know. what's wrong with Maine Democrats, but. it is only affecting them, {exclamation. point}. The rest of us Mainers are still. quite normal. >> [laughter]. >> This. I don't I don't think this is a kind of. PR you want as as you gear up toward uh. election day, Matt. I'm thinking this. they could they could have better. stories about Troy Jackson out there. than that one. >> Well, there's nothing they can do but.

admit it. I mean, as a PR consultant, what else would you advise them to do? I. think that that's probably the only. move. Um. other than. >> Right. Other than go with your line of. like it's legal. >> Right. >> It's totally legal. >> [laughter]. >> Right. Right. >> Cool. Okay. Doesn't mean I have to vote. for you. I'm sorry, but it's bizarre. They just don't know what they're doing. up there in Maine. They go from one bad. candidate to the next to the next to the. next. And okay, we'll see how that that. works out for them. Um they're not the only ones with, you.

know, some serious issues. Over in. Wisconsin, they have this woman running. for governor who's in the lead. um named Francesca Francesca Hong. And she is. in the news for, among other things, uh. she wants to defund the police, among. other radical positions, but she also. apparently really hates Thanksgiving. Like, she really wanted Thanksgiving to. be canceled. And to her credit, Kaitlan. Collins of CNN asked her about it. And. she uh now realizing that most of us.

love Thanksgiving and don't want to see. it canceled and don't think much of. loons who speak otherwise, is kind of hedging a little. And here's. how she's doing that, sought to. >> Do you still believe that uh. Thanksgiving should be canceled? >> I'm a chef and one of the first meals. that I made uh that was um. for the community when I was 16 was a. Thanksgiving meal. You know, I always. think my hospitality background and.

owning a restaurant for 7 8 years that. bringing folks around the table uh to. share conversation and build community. is always a good thing. But, Thanksgiving is also a time that's. incredibly painful for many people in. our communities. And so, I think there I. wanted to make sure that people. understood that there are multiple. views, but views can evolve. And the. position that I'm running for right now, and I think my background as a chef, will actually help me become a better.

governor that's able to bring more. people to the table. >> She is, according to the latest. Marquette poll, 22 points above her. competitors. Like, she is looking like. she is going to pull out the. the the nomination here. She's a. dues-paying member of the Democratic. Socialists of America, this group that. is growing by the minute within our. country and within the Democrat Party, which has even many Democrats. deeply disturbed. Um The Post Millennial.

also had an article out on Saturday. saying that Francesca Hong admitted to. being diagnosed as mentally ill. That um she was cutting herself, she was. diagnosed with bipolar disease, she was. taking SSRIs, she had overdosed on. lithium. This is years ago, and at age. 18, she had a mental breakdown and was. hospitalized for a week at a psychiatric. hospital. So, this is the woman who is.

in the lead right now for this Wisconsin. governor race. Um. I'm concerned, Matt. I'm concerned with. candidate quality, which traditionally. was more of a Republican issue, where. they kept going for people who are too. extreme. And it's very interesting to. see the foot now or the shoe now on the. other foot. >> It's really incredible, this phenomenon. I mean, the. once upon a time being a. self-flagellating. uh uh, you know, depressive slash.

um, you know, former formerly mentally. ill person who hated the country and. hated its traditions would be. automatically disqualifying. in a general election and it may still. be in the general, but in the primary, uh, being somebody who is. a victim of mental illness and and. thinks of herself as as a victim and. also hates the country, apparently, and. hates the things that most of us love.

about it, um, is the thing that's going to propel you. to the lead in the primary, which is the. phenomenon we're seeing all over the the. country with the DSA and. uh, it's it's really an incredible. thing. It speaks to what's happened. educationally in this country over the. last 20 or 30 years. >> It's it's truly like jarring, you know, because it's it it's really unfortunate. for everyone because just at the moment. when some faction of Republicans are. feeling very disaffected because they're. unhappy with the economy, they don't.

think Trump has lived up to his promises. on bringing down prices and costs and so. on. Many are unhappy with the Iran war. Truly, you look over there at team blue. and you're like, holy. Never mind. I'm not doing that. This. woman hung Again, she's probably going. to win the Democrat primary for governor. in Wisconsin today. Then she'll have to. face off against a Republican for the. actual job, but. this is who the Democrats are likely to.

put up for. for the post. She All these things I. mentioned. she hates Thanksgiving, she um, is apparently bipolar, had a lithium OD, um, and is a cutter or was. That's an. addition to her DSA membership, which. includes she backs the legalization of. marijuana, a state-run development bank, Medicare for all, a 32-hour work week. with no pay cuts, abolishing ICE, restoring voting rights for felons, and.

the eventual elimination, or at least. reduction, of. prisons. and police. So, we need to eliminate the. prisons and the cops. What could. possibly go wrong? >> Well, and the DSA's. platform now additionally has. eliminating, abolishing the Senate and. replacing both the presidency and the. Supreme Court. with a a body that would be subordinate.

to the house. So, essentially, it would. be a one-party, a unicameral. government that would have no no set of. checks and balances at all. This is the. official platform of the DSA. I mean, of. all the other crazy things that are in. you know, their their platform from. prison abolition to no borders, to all. kinds of other. stuff that makes even hardcore liberals. nervous. They want to fundamentally reform.

the entire political system and make it. so that it's effectively mob rule and. that there's no protection of minority. views or minority political rights. This terrifying. And. this point of view is winning all over. the country. And as you say, at a moment. when, you know, there are a lot of. people who are disaffected with Donald. Trump, this is serious cause for. concern. >> Yeah. That's at least the presidency, police, and prison. The three P's she.

wants to get rid of, that the DSA wants. to get rid of. And the Pentagon, that's. a fourth. The presidency, the Pentagon, police, and prisons. How. I'm sure America would be a lot safer. and better if we went along with these. nutcases. And they really are gaining. purchase. I really think it's because of. two things. One, the Democrat Party is. very, very anti-Israel now. And and all. the DSAers very much stand for that. That was the group that was in Times. Square celebrating the day after 10/7, 10/8, while the bodies were still.

bleeding. They were jubilant in Times. Square. We ran the tape. That's this. group. So, that's number one. And the. second is um. prices. You know, they're they're like. all communists and socialists and you. know, used to live in Russia, you know. >> Yeah. >> The it comes with these wonderful. promises of how they're going to take. from the evil rich and give to the. downtrodden poor and everyone's life. will be ready or better without reckon. reckoning with what actually happens, which is we live in a.

federalist society where you can move. from state to state. You don't have to. stay in a state like California or New. York City, for example, where they. oppress you with taxes just because. you've become successful. You leave. And. that's exactly what's happening in. places like Manhattan. >> Uh yeah, it's incredible and you know, the the ignorance about economics is. unbelievable. The ignorance even about. the history of socialism is. unbelievable. And and as you mentioned, I. I I went to school in the Soviet Union.

I had to take scientific communism, uh. believe it or not. I mean, I was just. studying language, but I had to take. that class. Um. and. coming back to the United States and. seeing the difference between how uh. students were taught about the Soviet. era uh when I was in high school and. what happens now, uh they don't teach. them anything uh. about the bad things that happened uh in. the Soviet era, about how that kind of. economics doesn't work, about how even.

the Soviet Union had to abandon, you. know, so-called war communism where they. fixed prices and and go back to the. market as early as. 1921. Uh none of this stuff is known uh here. in the United States. They don't know. about the massacres, the political. prisoners. Um. and so, all of this is just novel. It It. just sounds like a bunch of politicians. promising them free stuff and uh you. know, a pathway to a fairer economy, not. understanding the underlying politics. are are tremendously dangerous.

>> Matt, I got to send you a copy of Doug's. book. It's called uh The Last Empire of. Emanuel Nobel, and it's all about. Russian history and Emanuel Nobel. This. guy is part of the Nobel family who is. really the richest Nobel, the most. successful Nobel who built the oil. industry in Russia. And the reason he's not a household name. like his brother Alfred who started the. prizes is because of another man who was. growing up at the same time named Joseph. Stalin. Anyway, it's a great book. It's not a. novel. It's It's um non-fiction, but. it's great. It reads like a novel and. it's doing very well. So, thank you all.

for buying it. But, I'm going to send. you a copy cuz that's right up your. alley. >> I would love to My son was actually. telling me about it. So, I would love to. love to check it out. >> Oh. >> Mhm. >> Oh, you'll laugh. This past weekend um. we were in Saratoga. We went to the. races. It was super fun. And um we were. in a bookstore, and they had a bunch of. them, and Doug offered to sign them. You. know, it's always nice if the author. will sign it, and then then the. bookstore can sell it saying signed by. the author. And uh. >> [laughter]. >> I go over there as just as he's. starting, and I said, "Would you stop doing that? I'm so.

sorry. He has this habit of going into. bookstores and claiming he's the author. He's not. He just likes to sign books.". >> [laughter]. >> The woman's face. She believed me. >> [laughter]. >> I got such a kick out of my own joke. She looked at the the photo [laughter]. and realized I was joking, but I'm still. amused by my own joke as you can see. Okay. >> Let's talk about that one, yeah. >> Let's keep going in Wisconsin. I I have. a couple more on this Francesca. Francesca Hong. So, we She's against uh.

the Pentagon. She's against the. presidency. She's against the police. She's against prisons, and she is. against proximity. to white men or white women for that. matter, just whiteness is what she. objects and she she knows of what she. speaks and here's how. Listen to South. four. >> I wasn't always aware of of the. struggles of other communities of color. because of for me assimilation always. kind of took over. And so. I I I did marry.

and proximity to whiteness continues, right? I I'm my son is biracial. He's. he's half white and half Korean and I. think navigating. you know what his identity is and then. how people perceive him is is always at. the back of my mind as well. >> Oh my god. Can you imagine using your child's skin. color to make your point about the evils. of whiteness? >> It's it's unbelievable. And you know this this person who is.

clearly. got problems and has no [clears throat]. idea other than to roll out. a bunch of academic gobbledygook phrases. that she was fed at one. one time or another as if. they're real or meaningful. But to to. use your own child like that. and even to publicly denounce. your your your child's heritage I think. that's you know as a parent that does. not sit well with me. I'm a half Asian.

and I've never had a problem. in this country. It doesn't particularly. bother me. and most of the people I know who are. don't seem to have any issue with it. unless your parent makes it an issue on. television, which is what she's doing. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Right. And by the way, Matt, he's only. 10. Can you imagine? She's out there. talking about her experience next to. this half white boy has really given her. the proximity to whiteness experience. What like what's the point? Because if. you're only half white and you're.

walking around half Asian, half white, like do you Do you. do you get the full white experience? I. don't know. Like she seems to want to. say she's getting it through him. Um but I'm not sure. Like. tell us more about your son. Just how. Asian does he look? This is the kind of. conversation she's inviting about her. sweetheart, her child. >> No, it's you should never be as a celebrity. It's it's always an awful thing when you. when you bring your kids into.

some kind of public controversy. You. know, there. there was a. a a moment in the I remember in the '80s. and '90s when people were writing. parenting books that and they were. making celebrities out of their kids who. didn't want to be. Uh and but this is. even worse. This is demonizing part of. their background. and taking a 10-year-old kid who has no. choice in the matter and and thrusting. um. I guess him, right, into the middle of. this picture. It's uh. I think that's horrible. I can't believe.

that people are endorsing it. >> No, it's very disturbing. All right, as. we continue down the lane of candidates. in bizarre uh trouble, let's take a look at the Ohio race for. uh representative, House House of. Representatives. Now, at the. Senate level, US Senate in Ohio, we have. Bernie Moreno. He's a Republican. He's. been great. Um but he has a Republican.

ex-son-in-law. This man was married to Bernie's. daughter, Emily, but is no longer. And. his name is Max Miller. I realize most people don't know who Max. Miller is because if he's not your. congressman, you probably don't know. Even though the, you know, all the aides. to every House of Representatives member. on Capitol Hill think that we all know. who their member is, we don't. No one. has any idea who most of the members of. House of Representatives are unless. they've managed to make an individual. sort of case for themselves like an AOC. Anyhoo, this guy, Max Miller, is in the.

midst of this. ugly, I guess, either divorce proceeding. or the the aftermath of the divorce. proceeding. It seems like they are. divorced and they have custody battles. ongoing perhaps with the daughter. But. now, Bernie Moreno comes out with this. post on X over the weekend saying, "Max. Miller is not fit for office. He belongs. nowhere near the House of. Representatives.". Um when he when I think of how he. treated my daughter, it makes my skin. crawl. I have to hold my breath every.

time he's with my 2-year-old. granddaughter. Um I do not trust him. I'm like the the most scurrilous. allegations you can hurl at a man. Max Miller denies that he's engaged in. any abusive conduct whatsoever. And he. said, "I'm now going to [clears throat]. release all these tapes that are going. to show you how these are lies." Now, I. have no idea whether these are lies or. not. I mean, divorce proceedings can get. very very ugly. They can get really ugly. when you have custody of a child at.

issue, too. So, I have no idea who's. telling the truth, but it is interesting. it's spilling over into the public eye. and. it's all Republican on Republican blood, right? The US Senator versus the House. of Representative guy. And here's Max. Miller. He He released this audio. This. is a June 2024 incident with his then. wife Emily. where they are discussing because one of. her allegations is that he threw. scalding water on her. Um which absolutely would be abusive,

but here they're on tape discussing it, sort of maneuvering for what exactly. happened in the incident. Listen. >> Saturn, it never was done to hurt you. and you know that. You're weaponizing. this because of my previous allegations. >> if you knew it was cuz you went into my. you went into. it when I was crying. >> So, Emily. So, >> So, Emily, I didn't mean to hurt you. I. didn't mean to hurt you. Why are you. scared of me? Why are you. >> Yeah, I didn't mean to hurt you. It. wasn't done with intent. You just said. it yourself. You literally just said it yourself. It.

wasn't done to hurt you. And I told you. before that not to come over to me and. start screwing around with me. >> I wasn't trying to spray you I was. trying to give you a hug. >> You are taking. you're taking a playful incident and. making something nefarious. >> It's not playful when you have hot. water. >> Emily, going out of the faucet, it does. not get to a temperature of boiling. water. It does not. >> I got to get you a home accent so you. can get it. >> I did it and I tested it and I had our. attorneys test it because I figured that. this is where you were going to come at. me with and it's literally what no no.

but literally it's like standing under a. hot shower and we already have someone. to go ahead and combat this if this is. what you're going to do. >> I don't think. it didn't reach the point of boiling. is going to it's not a great defense. >> [laughter]. >> It's not a great defense Matt Taibbi, but what do you think of this whole. mess? >> I mean nobody comes out looking good in. this story. >> [clears throat]. >> I think the thing that's bothersome in.

the current environment is that it's. become almost automatic that you can. just vaporize any politician's career. just by bringing up these accusations. What's unusual about this one is that. there's some evidence involved and and. maybe you know. like a witness. who might be credible but I I I don't. like this whole phenomenon of you know. we we we've just seen Plaitner, Eric. Swalwell and and and a whole raft of. other. members of Congress just wiped up by.

their own party. This can't be the way. that parties exact discipline upon their. own members. I don't know. I don't know how you how. do you how do you feel about it but. it worries me because. >> Well. >> it could be. >> Divorce proceedings are messy. Like I I. feel uncomfortable getting involved in. anybody's divorce because. people say they say things that are. untrue, they have the most negative spin. on actions that may not have been great. Like.

I When I was at when I was at a kid, I. was like 13 and my brother was 18, or. maybe I was 12 and he was 17. We there's. 5-year age difference. He one time had. me in a headlock and used that. sprayer of the sink on me. Now, it. wasn't scalding water, it was it was. it was regular water. Like it was cold. water. But in his defense, he did it because I. had tied the rubber band around the. sprayer and it went off when he when he. turned on the sink. [laughter]. Now, that was not abuse. It was kind of.

sibling, you know, fun and rivalry and. we still laugh about it. But. I So, I don't know in what context he. grabbed the little sprayer. and sprayed her, because he's saying it. was horseplay and you heard her there. being like suggesting it was scalding. and him So, I don't I do. It's a dangerous practice to start to. dissect. the spats. even the big ones in somebody's marriage. where there's not a police report or an. actual finding of some sort of.

misdemeanor or felonious behavior. >> Yeah, I I I don't want to I don't want. to know this. I don't want to be. litigating this in the media. Um. I especially don't want to be. deciding somebody's political career. based on incomplete information that. they leak out. It you know, This doesn't feel right. >> And weirdly, he did leak this. He's the. one to put out that audio. And by the. way, there's one there's one more. there's a bunch. He He put out this. audio to like exonerate himself. I don't. Pro tip, just. it doesn't. Like you were better off,

Max, without any of that. Um but here's another one in which. they're disputing. his use of needles and there's a bit of. an admission in this one, too, which set. the internet ablaze. >> And I've never gone into your cell. phone. And I've never gone into your. computer. And I've never sneaked into. your backpack. And I've never. banged on the bathroom door thinking. that you're masturbating. masturbating when you're just using the. bathroom at 5:30 a.m. >> I have gone into your backpack because I. have gone into your backpack because I.

truly do believe you have a drug. problem. >> Okay. What drugs? >> Uh well, first it was weed and I found. needles next to your bed. >> You found needles? >> Yes, I did and I took a picture of it. So, you can try to deny it to me. >> Okay. >> I don't know why that's funny. It's. actually really scary. >> Okay, you found it. >> And it was a huge impetus for why I. left.

>> [sighs]. >> I will say this, too. One of the reasons why it's in the news. is the Republicans have until tomorrow. if they want to replace him. as their candidate. Uh Wednesday is Ohio's deadline to. trigger a special election to replace. Miller on the ballot. Republicans, reading here from Axios, could still. fill a vacancy through a party committee. but would have to certify a replacement. by August 10th. If he withdraws after. August 10th, Republicans cannot replace.

him. Um the AP reporting Democrats see Miller. could be vulnerable in a district he won. 2 years ago with just over 51% of the. vote. So, it wasn't exactly a runaway. His Democrat opponent is union iron. worker Brian Poindexter. who the Democrats selected. uh as like. a manly man who might be able to win. crossover voters cuz they're realizing.

now that they've gone too effete in. their selection of especially male. candidates. So, there are stakes. involved and the Republican Party has a. decision to make here about how badly. this is going to blow up in their faces. if they stick with this guy, and there's. a lot more either in Emily's, you know, coffers or somebody else's. So, do you stick with the one who's got. the name recognition, who they did vote. for already, or do you replace him and. put yourself in a situation like they're. in the Dems are in Maine, where you.

might pick somebody who married or at. least had sex with and had children with. their second cousin? [laughter]. >> I don't know. I mean. >> [laughter]. >> If you got to pick the guy who thinks it. it looks good to release a tape. of him denying that he had. or not even denying that he had. needles next to his bed. I don't know. I mean. I guess the quality the general quality. or pool of possible candidates must be.

so low out there that they just can't. find somebody. who isn't crazy to run for higher. office. That's the only thing I. conclusion I can draw from that, but. certainly listening to that. >> I think it is. >> about my own. marriage and. >> [laughter]. >> count my blessings, I guess. But I. >> Totally. Totally. And also, I reinforced my own. conclusion, which is the solution to all. of our problems is not in Washington. You know, it's in private industry, it's. in ourselves, it's in our schools, which. does require us to vote in local.

elections especially, but those Nimrods. in DC are not going to get us out of any. of the jams we're in. Sadly, it's up to us. Sorry to break it to us, but it is. You're not Do not rely on any of these. people as the answer. Um okay, let's. keep going because. there's a lot of other news. Now, you've been following the saga of this. Cambridge professor, um. and. every day we get about 20 new pieces of. his alleged bio that are either under.

attack or actually are falling apart. And um. today it's it's not a great update for. him. Um, I I don't think. I don't think you can dispute that. he's he's. like by the day suffering credibility uh. problems. Here's the latest. The UK. Telegraph is reporting that. this charity. WaterAid. is now. throwing water on his uh account of.

volunteering for them. His bio on the. website of his speakers agency, the. Simon & Schuster Speakers Bureau cuz. he's coming out with a book, uh stated until recently that this. professor at Cambridge, again, they. touted him as the youngest black. professor ever at Cambridge. And what. all these allegations, plagiarism and. others that we're going to go through, he has dismissed as racism, racism, racism. This is about and ableism. He. also added that lately too cuz he he. claims that he was autistic and. non-verbal for the first 11 years of his.

life and he had to do sign language and. then miraculously went on to become a. PhD. and and defended his PhD after having. just gotten brain cancer and. and also, I think, some some lung issue. Uh okay, anyway, just want you to know he says it's all. racist. So, here's what um Simon &. Schuster's Speakers Bureau uh his his. bio said until recently that this.

Professor Arday, Jason Arday, has also undertaken and completed relief. work in South America and West Africa. with WaterAid. That's the name of the. charity. Installing water points which. provide drinkable and clean water. This is the UK Telegraph reporting. WaterAid, however, says it never sends. volunteers abroad. Again, he said he's undertaken and. completed relief work in South America. and West Africa with WaterAid. They say. we've ne- we never send volunteers. abroad. The name of WaterAid has now been. removed from his bio on the website.

Then then there's Glasgow University. uh where on the Cambridge Faculty of. Education page. Professor Jason Arday claims that he is. a visiting professor. at Glasgow School of Education. However, this was denied by the university. spokesman. at the University of Glasgow. Quote, "I. can confirm that Professor Arday is not. a visiting professor here and was never.

Now, back in 2021. I believe he was a sociology of. education professor there. But their point is. he left. He moved to Cambridge in 2023. and has no ongoing affiliation with the. university and was never a visiting. professor, which is yet another thing. that's on. his bio. but it's not true. Um one more for you from today. Uh Cambridge, per independent journalist.

Benjamin Ryan who's been doing a good. job on this. Cambridge quietly edited his college bio. sometime between January 1st and August. 2nd of 2026. Uh Arday's title changed from. professorial fellow of education to. fellow of education. They got rid of the. professorial. And. an MA in education studies from. Liverpool John Moores. vanished. from the list of his degrees.

It was up there and now it's gone. And. the sorry Matt, the final thing is. uh we get word today that he was. supposed to sit down with the New York. Times. He canceled. yesterday. Decided he did not want to do. that. Um. query why. but he did state that. there is a well-documented playbook for. discrediting black academics in. high-profile positions and it's been. used to devastating effect in the US.

And now with me in the US, my greatest. hope is that what is happening to me now. will serve to further expose these. actions and forces. Okay. So, anyway, right now Cambridge is standing by him. Simon & Schuster is standing by him. There's an online petition by all these. woke young white women to make sure we. all stand by him. But uh the the bloom. is coming off this rose and fast. >> This is an unbelievable story uh Megan. I mean, this this is so devastating not. just to this.

one professor, but to the all of academia. uh and frankly other. uh. industries as well. I mean, think about that speakers bureau. You have uh we all have. public personas online now. In the. internet age, everybody has to check. what they say and to make sure that it's. true before you put it online. It's just. a reflexive. uh thing nowadays. You don't make a. claim on social media or on Twitter.

without making sure that something's. there. But you see all these. institutions are willing to to put the. their own names behind. uh the claims of a professor like this. without checking first. Uh clearly. someone didn't check with that charity. Uh the the speakers bureau didn't check. with the charity before they put up uh. that up on their site. The university. they Cambridge has all kinds of things. that they're now taking down, which. means that they didn't check them in in. the first place,

uh which is incredible. Uh especially. when you look at the writing of this. person. You know, when I first read. about this. plagiarism scandal, I always try to. check it myself because you never know. what people are calling plagiarism. Sometimes it's language that's close, and sometimes it's only a few instances, and sometimes it's a failure to cite or. something like that. In this case, it's. absolutely clear that there's there's no. doubt whatsoever. His His writing is filled with borrowed.

passages wholesale, so much that there's. an error with a possessive apostrophe. like in the title of one of his papers. that he's you know. >> Many many errors. >> And and that And by the way, that. mistake by itself should be discrediting. for a senior academic. I mean, if you if. you if you put teachers with a an. apostrophe on it. and you. I guess think that that means that it. that it's plural or something like that,

you wouldn't get it past the high school. um. >> Listen to this one, Matt. A Chris Brunet. Brunet, independent journalist who. helped Chris Rufo expose Claudine Gay at. Harvard. Um he he says, "Okay, Jason R. Day has published 34 academic. publications. I'm too lazy to check them. all." He writes, "I picked two at. random. Number one, uh understanding. race and educational leadership in. higher education. Number two, what are. the issues for black and ethnic minority. students?" And you're starting to get a. feeling for why they love him so much at.

places like Cambridge. Okay, here are. some funny mistakes I found. He This is uh quoting R. Day. Increasing. diagonocies. of mental illness. He was attempting to. write diagnosis. Uh will enviably impact attainment. outcomes. Of course, he meant. inevitably, not enviably. Mental illness. supposedly. destabilizes individuals {apostrophe}. mental facilities.

He meant faculties. Heightens feelings of sensibility and. vulnerability. He meant sensitivity. And. there are few opportunities available. for them gain these types of. opportunities. Them gain. Matt, it's that This guy just picked. random two. and they want us to believe this this. guy's there he's up there on his own. merit, he deserves it, the claims of. plagiarism are completely unfounded, this has been investigated, he was.

exonerated, which isn't does not appear. to be true that he was exonerated. It. looks to me like he did commit. plagiarism in multiple instances and. they're willing to overlook it. >> Yeah, and and this is the point that's. really the the central thing. I mean. think about what's happened in. journalism in the last, you know, 15 to. uh to 20 years, really more of the last. 10. We've seen this phenomenon of. really terrible. serious mistakes that are overlooked and.

that the the newspapers don't go back. and either admit it uh or change the. mistakes because. you know, as it turns out, once upon a. time that the most important thing was. getting it right. Now, the most. important thing is is. is the content directionally politically. um in the place that we want it to be. So, all the the wrong Russia Gate. stories, they're they're still out there. because people want that to be true. Even the the the publications do. The. same thing is happening in in academia. As long as the person is preaching the.

right gospel, they're willing to. overlook a complete lack of scholarship, a lack of literacy, an inability to. communicate. This This is a person who's. supposed to be teaching other people how. how to write and think and can't do it. him. >> at Cambridge. >> Cambridge. That that that one of the. great universities of the world. What is. that What message are you sending to. people with this? You're you're telling. them that that it's okay to not uh be. able to write, think, spell, uh. use grammar. What's the point?

>> Yeah, soft bigotry of low expectations. being applied in real time on this guy. Got a couple more for you here. So, first of all. he claimed that he ran 600 miles in 6. days. and then he changed it to 12 days. Took him 12 days to do. Okay. Like this. would make him one of the great runners. in the world, but no one knows his name. Okay. I mean, many people have. questions. But then we hear him um also. talk about how when he got his PhD he.

had to you know, have to defend it. whenever you. um. you have to you have to submit a. dissertation and defend your PhD orally, verbally. And now he claims that he had to do that. while battling a brain tumor and some. sort of lung issue. Um it's in this. soundbite. Take a listen to this I'm. sorry, but patently ridiculous claim. He. makes it in a 2022 interview with. Welcome Sanger Institute STAT 29.

>> I would say. the most defining moment or something. really fun was when I got my PhD. So, I completed my PhD in 2 and 1/2. years working full-time. So, like I I killed myself to do it, but. the reason why it was really significant. and which which I've I've said I've said. publicly now, so I might as well say it. But like at the time I had a brain. tumor. Um uh. and I had my brain tumor removed 2 weeks.

2 weeks before I had my viva. So, I. didn't remember anything. So, I had a. stroke straight after. So, um. like um passing that was really really. significant. >> Okay. So, he had a brain tumor and there. was some other lung issue that he's. claiming he had as well. 2 weeks before he had to defend his. dissertation, but it went swimmingly, Matt. I got like 600 miles and brain. tumors and lung issues and defending. your dissertation which you completed. your PhD in 2 and 1/2 years which is.

extraordinary after being non-verbal for. you know, until age 11 um and you've. also been doing this all alleged work. overseas with this group water whatever. which now maybe you did maybe you didn't. unclear. And and what we get instead of like. you know. condemnation like what let's get off. this lily pad. Okay, there's plenty of. lily pads we can jump on where we. support. black or in some way. challenged individuals who had autism.

but this is instead what we get from. places like the good law project 28. >> You might have not heard who Jason or. day is. Jason is the youngest black. professor in Cambridge's history and to. the surprise of literally no one from. the start newspapers like the telegraph. and the times have been calling him a. diversity poster boy and just overall. annoying him. But now they're taking it a step further. and they're trying to smear him with. accusations of plagiarism. A baseless. smear campaign against a distinguished.

black academic isn't just a personal. attack. It's an attempt to shut down a. black person who has a platform and they. keep doing this again and again. If you. want to join us comment Jason we'll send. you a link to add your name to our open. letter to send it to Jason or day with. Jason and to help us tell right-wing. newspapers that again they can't say and. do whatever they want. Not on our watch. >> So. >> Your thoughts on it Matt. >> So. look if you want to be progressive and I.

and I certainly think of myself as. you know wanting to be racially. progressive. you're hurting the cause. by defending. a person like this and standing on wrong. facts and saying a person is not guilty. of plagiarism when they are. Anybody is. going to be able to go and check for. themselves and they are going to find it. out and they're going to conclude that. you're lying not a just about this but. about everything. They're going to. question every person that you support. So this does tremendous damage to their.

own movement. And that's why I don't. understand that. I mean, for all these institutions to stand. behind this person, you know, I think. about what I was taught. I was taught. that if a source tells you a story and. you find that they've lied about. anything ever, never to use anything. that that source tells you because. that's the only way to protect yourself. Here they have a person who's lied about. all sorts of things and they're not and. they're lifting him up to one of the. most prestigious positions in in in.

academia. It It. >> Yes. >> It's just not worth propping up the lie. I don't understand what they have to. gain from it. >> I. New lily pad, new lily pad. A couple. more for you. Um the UK Times uh did an. in-depth. article and one of the one of the points. that they raised I thought was. interested interesting. They said um. He gave a webinar in July 2020 about an. upcoming paper on mental health issues. for black and minority ethnic staff in. higher education. In that webinar, he referred to a.

participant who took their own life and. read out their quote detailing the quote. violence of these racialized cultures in. the academic world. Very powerful. example. You'd think that, you know, he. would stay on that. They write, "Although Arday's paper. accepted in September 2020, which is. after July of 2020, and published in. January 2021, used near identical quotes. attributed to a male mixed heritage. academic,

there was no reference to this person. taking their own life. Certainly seems like that would have. been a relevant detail to include in. your paper. that was written about this. He later. told the paper, 'I have no reason to. fabricate or exaggerate black people's. suffering in academia. Um all research. within recent reason tend to be. selective. It's not possible to use. every single bit of information. That's. one thing. Okay, I want to keep going.

Um. Then there was the business of running. all those miles allegedly for char-. charity. They point out he claimed that. doing these runs raised 5 million pounds. for charity. When asked if that figure was accurate, Arday clarified to the Guardian that the. money was raised now it's with the help. of many fundraising collectives over a. two-decade period. Oh, so now it's not. the runs, it's two decades with a lot of. people, not just him. When asked to identify other people who. took part in these efforts, he said he. had signed NDAs preventing him from.

disclosing. that information cuz you know how they. all want to keep quiet their charitable. works. The Guardian also asked Arday. about his claim to have run 600 miles in. 6 days as an achievement that would make. him one of the world's most gifted. endurance runners. Um they he said that because of the. cumulative wear and tear of training. from his previous running challenges, he. had to put rest days in between the. running days just to finish the 600-mile. challenge, which was actually completed. over a 12-day period. Again, not not.

six. Then finally, Matt, this. Now he's claiming he's been the victim. of all these alleged racist attacks. because of mean mean people like the. Telegraph and the Guardian. The. Guardian? Is that Pretty sure that's not. a left-wing publication. Saying he's been threatened with a. knife, physically assaulted, and spat. on. He's had rape and death threats. being made to him and his family. Bananas and bullets being posted uh to. him via the university campus. Poison. and mutilated animals sent to his family. home. When asked what What was the.

mutilated the mutilated animal? He told the Guardian it was a severed. pig's head. delivered in a large cardboard box to. his parents' home. Um they immediately threw it away. He. couldn't produce it. Said he told the police several months. later and there was an investigation. Then the Guardian checked with all the. butchers and the cops, none of whom knew. anything about this and ardently denied. having done an investigation into this. So, you tell me, Matt Taibbi, where does. this story go now?

>> Well, look, for first of all, this is a. pattern. Um if you've ever. uh. you know, done any kind of stories about. people who are fabulous, uh once you. find the first thing that they've lied. about, you'll suddenly discover that. there are all kinds of other stories out. there and and this kind of person just. can't They can't help themselves. Uh. they they always they if they told the. story one way the first time, they want. to add something the next time. Uh oddly. enough, Joe Biden is a little bit like.

this. If you go back and look at his. speeches and his explanations about his. speeches, he he always seems to want to. add something to it. He's not nearly. this bad, uh but that's the pattern with this kind. of person. But, you know, all of these institutional defenders, it's a little bit like the Anthony Fauci. story. You cannot penetrate a myth for. people who are determined to believe. And no matter how much evidence you. throw at them, they they will they will. still believe it. Uh and that's amazing. >> Yeah. That's that's the trap they're stuck in.

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um, clean [music] house cleaning after. yesterday. We talked all about the trans issue. yesterday on this show, as you know, that's going on in the WNBA and beyond. and beyond, and the usual suspects ran. to their corners and started calling the. the usual names. Whatever. I don't I. don't have time for it. Um, but I did. want to take this on, okay? This is just one example. I mean, this. woman's in. She's a nobody. I've never heard of her. before, neither have you. Her name is. Stephanie Kaloy, k a l o i, and she.

writes for an industry publication. called Mediaite, where they do little. write-ups of what's in the news, whether. it's podcast or a TV show, what have. you. And she did a write-up of my, uh, talking about how I wish Caitlin Clark. had come out and said something in. Sophie Cunningham's defense as she. twists in the wind. She's always got. Caitlin's back, but Caitlin didn't have. hers. And how she really whiffed on an. opportunity to lead in her league. Not like Colin Kaepernick who injected. whether police are racist into NFL.

football games, but on an issue that. directly affects. little girls and younger women in her. sport, of which she's the queen. Right? Why wouldn't you? It's become an. issue. It's not It's not her fault it became an. issue. It's not Sophie Cunningham's. fault, either. She was asked about the men and women's. sports thing in if I'm not mistaken an. ESPN written article. She answered it. honestly, and then it came up a week.

later in a podcast she was doing where. they followed up on what she had said to. ESPN, and she stuck by what she said. And then it burst out into all of the. NBA or WNBA arenas where they're now. having protests at all these games. The. activists are outside protesting her. She's getting booed nonstop whenever. she's on the court. So, look, I'm not. Megan Kelly did not make this an issue. in the WNBA. And frankly, Sophie. Cunningham didn't, either. ESPN did. So, that's how we got here.

Caitlin Clark may not like it, but it's. there. Uh and she punted on it. She chose not. to comment even though it's raining down. all around her, and there are young. girls in. basketball at the high school level, ages 13 to. across this country who I'm sure would. have loved to seen her to have seen her. speak out on it, but she didn't have the. guts. Unfortunate. In any event, this nobody. who I mentioned in. this Mediaite publication, Stephanie,

would took issue with my commentary. yesterday that there are, quote, little. girls who are getting the kicked. out of them in their sport, meaning. basketball. Uh she writes, "There are none.". There are none. Not due to transgender. women playing the same sport. In 2022, Lia Thomas became the first openly. transgender female athlete to win a. Division 1 title. Thomas was later stripped of her awards. in 2025. I'm sure that was a big comfort. to all the women whose medals she took.

and records she took. This person's just. wiping it away. It got It got taken away. because Trump won, Trump raised the. issue, Trump crammed this down the. throats of places like the University of. Pennsylvania, threatening all of them. He lived up 100% to his campaign promise. on this, and then they bent the knee. because they were forced to. So, let's. not pretend, Stephanie, that somehow the. University of Pennsylvania just did the. right thing by Riley Gaines and the. others who were devastated by Lia. Thomas's participation in their sport, walking around with his penis out while.

they had to change. completely nude in front of him. Not to. mention the taking of their medals and. their places on the podium. So, just. stop, okay? Now, as for whether it is true that. girls are getting the kicked out of. them by trans athletes playing in their. sports, I'm sorry to inform you, Stephanie, that's true, too. Okay? And. you might want to do just a little bit. of research before you mouth off on this. subject rather than getting your talking. points from John Oliver. That never.

steered anyone right. Um and we're going to go through a few. of them since I get the feeling you're. not You're not big on research, sweetheart. I got you. I'm I'm here for. you. All right, let's go through a few. of them. Massachusetts. We mentioned this. yesterday because it's the case we were. talking about when I talked about the. young girls getting the kicked out. of them. You didn't really have to look. hard, Stephanie. You should have just. watched the segment you were ripping on. because we played this video yesterday. And here you see a high school player. someplace between the ages of 13 and 17.

writhing in pain on the ground after the. 6-ft-tall trans player. yanks the ball away from her so hard. that he caused, obviously, a back injury. that kept her on the floor unable to get. up. This is at This happened in 2024. It. is the Collegiate Charter School of. Lowell. It's the girls' basketball team. It happened in February of 2024, and the. injuries were so severe and. multiplied that the team decided to.

forfeit because the other players were. terrified. Okay? It's not ancient. history, 2024. Um so, yeah, that's what I'm referring. to, but that's not all. Of course, our audience is very familiar. with Payton McNabb, who was in a North. Carolina um. volleyball match, at which a male player. spiked the ball so hard into her face. that she suffered permanent damage. Um.

her injuries include included. significant long-term physical and. mental effects, impaired vision, partial. paralysis on her right side, balance. issues, anxiety, and depression. She was knocked unconscious by the ball. because what happens in volleyball is. the net is, I think, 7 and 1/2 in. short shorter lower in women's. volleyball than it is in men's. volleyball because men have a natural. height advantage. I think the average height for an. American male is like 5'9" or 5'8" and.

1/2, believe it or not. And for women, it's 5'3". Uh so, that's accounted for. And obviously, volleyball players on in. both sexes tend to be taller. That's one. of the things that makes you great at. volleyball, but they're both taller. They lower the net for women's. volleyball. And when you have a. biological male there, you see, uh he has a natural inborn advantage, not to mention what the testosterone. does to his muscles. And it endangers. the girls, and it endangered Payton. McNabb. And for what it's worth, this.

guy had zero zero regrets or apologies. to her for hurting her. Um Payton's been on our show a few. times. Here she is describing the impact. of her injury to Alliance Defending. Freedom, which represented her and so. many others who have been hurt by these. players in SA 24. >> I had to wear sunglasses everywhere I. went. The The lights were all really. harsh, and.

um I couldn't really understand or. comprehend my work as well at school, so. I had to get. >> [music]. >> extra help and accommodations. to help with testing and tutoring and. stuff, and that's never been the case. for me. >> [music]. >> And uh of course the headaches, and I. was having to have someone with me at. all times. I couldn't drive for a few. months. It was really bad at first, but. thankfully I've grown a lot since then. I still have to get help now that I'm in.

college. And my body is just in shock, and it's [music] still trying to. recover. There are still things that I'm having. to deal with today, and it's just. completely aggravating because it was. 100% avoidable. if only my rights as a female athlete. had been more important than a man's. feelings. >> I honestly, where Where's her story? All. All these activists out there saying, "How big of an issue is this? This. doesn't even matter. It was only Lia.

Thomas.". Where. Do your homework. Do your homework. I'm not here to teach remedial reporting. to you. When you're going to make a sweeping. comment like that without doing a. modicum of research to find out whether. there are any claims, shame on you. Let's keep going. Kally Killer. She was a sophomore at Rogers High. School in Puyallup, Washington. Forgive. me on the pronunciation. Not sure how. you say that. She alleges that her. transgender opponent jammed his fingers.

through her spandex and penetrated her. According to the 74-page lawsuit filed. this week. This happened a couple like a. month ago by her and her mother. who filmed the December bout. This is a. boy pretending to be a girl. She did not. realize she was wrestling against a. biological boy. Keeler was only 15. Is. that young enough? Sorry, Stephanie. Is. that young enough for you? I'm not not. sure if Does that qualify to.

get back to me? She [snorts] shouted to. her mother on the sideline that her. opponent's fingers were in my coochie, she yelled. She let herself be pinned. just so that it would stop. It was only later she learned she had. been assaulted by a biological male. Her. complaints were ignored by the school. and that lawsuit is ongoing. Let's go. to field hockey. Mentioned this. yesterday, too. Do your homework. Mentioned it yesterday. Back to. Massachusetts where a high school. student-athlete had her teeth knocked. out and suffered This is November 2023.

Significant facial injuries when an. opposing male player shot a field hockey. ball at her face during a playoff game. Watch the sound bite.

You hear the screaming? Do you hear the screaming? Go F yourselves. People who are denying this girl's. existence and this problem's existence. and asking questions about yeah, how. many are there? off. Enough. There's this girl screaming. after all her teeth were knocked out by.

a male player posing as female in. Massachusetts in 2023. Watch it again.

I It's infuriating. It's infuriating to see this denialism. by these absolute know-nothings. If you know nothing, then you should at least. look into. these sweeping claims of nonexistence of. any of these players. Okay? You. disrespect every young woman and girl. who has been hurt and endangered by. doing that. Shame on you. Shame on you. You call yourself a.

journalist. The players on the field were visibly. distraught. over the injury. It happened during a. playoff match. The The male player was seen winding. back his stick to take the shot, but instead he drills the opposing. female defender directly in the face. Swampscott Public Schools Athletic. Director Kelly Wolf confirmed the player. who took the shot was a male four-year. varsity student and co-captain. Imagine.

Imagine. Um let's keep going. This is um. a Dutch story happened in 2025. Elena. King's knee. She was 20, not. not a young girl, but a young woman. Her knee was torn from its socket when. she was tackled by a male player. identifying as a woman in a Dutch. Premiership rugby match. She was [snorts] told that she will have. lifelong knee pain and needs to endure. months of physiotherapy before she can. run again. She told the Sunday Times that a woman, quote, could not have pulled my leg out.

of its socket, adding this could have. been prevented. Last year, the year. prior, the same man who hurt her knocked. unconscious another female rugby rugby. player in a match. That person was still. undergoing tests for suspected brain. injury and could no longer use a helmet. due to migraines. So now we have two. with brain. um damage. Um and these are rugby players. Last I checked, that's a that's a very. tough sport.

Those women are not easy to hurt. They. are not pushovers. They do not complain. a lot, okay? But brain damage is kind of a a bridge. too far. Your leg being ripped out of. its socket, that can upset a woman. That. can that can radicalize other women. who actually do pay attention to these. issues, unlike some of the know-nothings. out there, into speaking out against this issue. Okay? So, that's just a few. I want to keep going. This isn't all. This is just stuff I. pulled together this morning.

Let's go to Canada. Uh this is via Rebel News. One of three. women injured by Ash Davis last month. has said, I've never been hit like that. before. This is rugby. Again, look, here. we have video. You don't have to imagine. it. You're going to get to see Ash. Davis, who is not trying to look like a. woman. He has male pattern baldness. uh baldness setting in. He has an Adam's. apple. uh and look at his legs. This is a man.

not even posing as a woman, just. participating on the women's team and. they allow it. Uh. Rebel News reporting he tackles hard. Just the three women players who suited. up for the Stoney Creek Camels last. month who had to be removed from the. game thanks to Ash's debilitating. tackles. Again, one of the women said, "I'd never. been hit like that before even at the. competitive women's level. There was so. much more brute force. There are women. who are bigger than him, but no girl. hits like that. This is a strong human.". That is almost verbatim what the women.

who are forced to box against Imane. Khalif said in the Olympics when they. allowed that biologically male boxer to. participate in the women's competition. and he walked away with the gold. That's almost verbatim what they said. That no woman could hit like that. That. they These women can take a punch. They. are Olympic-level boxers. There is a difference when you get. punched by a woman versus a man.

Let's keep going. While we're up in Canada, mention Melody Wisehart yesterday. Now, I wonder whether this would count. Does. this count for the the naysayers because. the 12-year-olds in the swim league up. there, they weren't physically uh they. didn't have their legs ripped out of the. socket so that maybe it doesn't rise to. your level. I mean, you'll have to get. back to me on whether you consider this. injury, but they were quote. "terrified.". Terrified according to one of the.

parents of the teenagers, uh 12- and. 13-year-olds. But girls as young as eight were forced. to be in a locker room with Melody. Wisehart who once competed under the. name Nicholas Cepeda. um and decided to compete as a girl in. Ontario, Canada, uh and in particular a. league. with these very young girls. Uh at one point it as I said, he was in. the locker room against girl with girls. as young as eight.

Um Wisehart who was a professor is a. professor, I believe, up there at York. University, partici- participated in. several events. uh over the first 3 days of December in. 2023, including the women's 1500 meter. freestyle for athletes 16 and older. Melody placed second. Melody has reportedly been competing. against girls since 2019. Rebel News. caught up with Melody after one of. Melody's big accomplishments, beating. the young 12 and 13-year-olds, and. here's how that went.

>> In the meantime, we're going to watch. him swim. Just will you see the. perverse visuals of a 50-year-old man. lining up against 13. and 17-year-old girls. We finally have a definitive answer to.

where Nicholas Cepeda changes and. showers. It is in the girls' dressing room. I saw. it myself with my own eyes. He didn't go. into the male dressing room. He didn't. go into the family dressing room. Mr. Cepeda, what what is your deal? Why are you. swimming with 13-year-olds? Why are you breaking World Aquatics. rules? Why are you a coward?

Do you have a. Do you have a record of sexual. perversion? >> Protect me from these people. >> Pro- protect us from what? Where are you going? >> Protect me. from these people. The nerve. Protect me. By the way, Melody, if you identify as a. 13-year-old girl, why are you driving a.

car? Truly, you should be asking the alleged furries. in your school communities the same. question, by the way, people. If If they. identify as a cat or some animal, why. are they sitting in the cafeteria eating. a peanut butter and jelly? Sipping out of a juice box. Why aren't they licking milk out of a. saucer? Truly, if you actually identify. as this thing, why aren't you behaving. like this thing? 12-year-old, 13-year-old girls cannot. drive, Melody. Sorry.

So, I don't know. May Does. psychological injury. of terror. qualify as injury to you naysayers about. where's the injury? How many people are. doing this? This is not a thing. Okay. Um I For me, it qualifies. I Maybe I'm. an outlier. I don't know. My My audience. will let me know. Um here's another one. This is. This one actually happened out of. Stand by. This is via this. This is out of Australia, 2023. A male.

soccer player who identifies as. transgender injured a female player. during a semi-professional women's. league. The trans Look, we have video. The transgender player's aggressive. shoulder check sent the female player to. the ground where she lay unmoving. She. was unable to train until later in the. week. When she did, it was only very. lightly. Maybe that doesn't count, right? Cuz it's semi-professional. Well, she must have been about like 20. I guess Do we Do we count them? Do the. 20-year-olds get to complain or they. just have to take it? You take.

it. Too bad if your if your career is on. the line. Just shut up in the name of. tolerance. God, you whining ladies, sick. and tired of your bitching. That's really what these people are. saying. STFU. because we need to be inclusive. No, we don't. You want your daughter's leg ripped out. of the socket? You want your daughter getting fingers. up her vagina while she's doing a. wrestling match? What in the actual.

Speak up. Don't let these know-nothings silent. you, male or female, trying to jump into this debate because. they they want to defend Caitlyn Clark. or they want to rip on Sophie. Cunningham. Shame on all of you. Shame. on you. Do your damn homework. There have been countless males. participating against females, stealing. medals and scholarships and joy and a. feeling of safety and security for years.

now, for years. We. This is just a few, okay? Just a few, literally. We could be here all day. There's Lia Thomas. There's. uh Terry Miller and Andrea Yearwood. Those are the ones who ran in the. Connecticut uh track meets without doing. any thing. to lower their testosterone. At the state level, Terry Miller was the. high school state title state title. winner in Connecticut with fellow trans. girl Andrea Yearwood finishing second.

and also were the regional New York. champions. Uh there was a player the player against. Payton McNabb, as I mentioned, who. wasn't sorry at all. There was Veronica. Garcia who won back-to-back state high. school championships in Washington in. the 400 meter run. She told the. anti-trans detractors after the state. meet, "Get a life.". There's AB Hernandez who's still. competing in girls track and field in. California, blew away the competition at. the Ontario relays and invitational, beating the second place finisher by 8. feet, a shocking margin, just this past.

May. The long jump jump result Hernandez. posted 20 feet 4 and 1/2 inches. The. next closest finishers reached 19 feet 1. and 1/2 inch. More than a foot separated. first from second. Aiden Gallagher, May of 2024, won a high. school girls track and field state. championship in Oregon in the 200 meter. JC Cooper won the women's 2019 national. championship for bench press in the. super heavyweight division. Laurel. Hubbard, the Olympic weightlifter, won. two Oceania championships and two. Commonwealth championships against many.

gold medals amongst many gold medals. that she won during her competition. years. I I I mean, they go it goes on. for pages and pages and pages and pages. All right. I can't help Caitlyn Clark if she can't. find the courage to speak out against. this. Um. maybe she wants another girl to get. injured in high school basketball just. like those three girls. in Lowell, Massachusetts. Okay, I guess she doesn't care. Sophie. Cunningham does, good for her. You know.

who else cares? Sabalenka. Who's number one? Uh she's the number one women's player. in women's tennis where thanks to. Martina Navratilova. and some other outspoken advocates, they. have now passed a rule for US women's. tennis that they will only accept. biological females. God bless you. God bless you for doing that. And. Sabalenka. who is a current player with a lot to. lose, which is what we've been waiting. for. Sophie Cunningham, yes, but again,

with with respect, she's not a household. name like Caitlyn. But Sabalenka is, if. you know anything about tennis. And she did it. God bless her. And I applaud her. Here it is. >> Hi, the WTA recently announced that, you. know, the players will take a one-time. gender test. How do you How do you feel. about that? The first pro league to go. in that direction? >> I think it's really important to keep. the fairness in our tour and. it's obvious that biologically right, the men are way stronger than women, so.

I feel like it would be not really fair. for the women to compete against. biological men. So. it's I believe it took them a little. while to make the decision and um. I I support it. But for me, I'm focusing on myself, on. my goals, you know, whatever it takes. If they want to test of us all, I'm. happy to do that. It's pretty fair and. let's keep it that way.

>> Look how simple that is. It. she's just saying what we all know is. true. It's not that hard. It's It's honestly, it's not even. political. It's just acknowledging. biological reality. and the reality of sport. It is not fair. I mean, truly, will. Caitlin Clark say something if LeBron. James or somebody like him joins the. WNBA? I wonder. Would she be okay competing against such. a person? What if somebody that size joins high.

school basketball? With the up-and-comers into college. athletics or college basketball, the. up-and-comers into the WNBA. Will she. speak up then? What what will it take? Does somebody need to have permanent. brain damage? Will that do it? I guess. not cuz that's already happened. And she doesn't want to talk about it. She said that the league should work it. out with their players. So you're one. But it's not even about Caitlin Clark. It's It's about everyone. who is on the notion that this. is a danger. Okay, that. there's something wrong with you people.

You have. ideological blinders on. Girls are being hurt in multiple ways. That's beyond dispute at this point. Um. and last but not least, I've got to get. to Seth Moulton. Seth Moulton, remember this guy? Democrat out of. Massachusetts, congressman. After the last election, 2024, he decided, since the Democrats got. their asses handed to them on this. issue, it was the number one issue in. the swing states, according to a large. survey done by a Democrat firm trying to.

figure out what the hell happened, why. they lost so badly. And he decided in the wake of that to. come out and try to speak sense. And he. said, "You know what? I have two daughters. I wouldn't want. them competing against males on the. soccer field. It's not fair.". It's a question of fairness, I think he. said, and and maybe he mentioned safety. And. we said, "Oh my gosh, that's that's. wonderful. That's great. Okay." First. you think, "Good for him.". And then shortly thereafter we had a. vote on the Save Girls Sports Act, and.

he voted against it. And he was called out here, among other. places. And now he is. in a political debate. um for his political future in. Massachusetts and was asked about those. comments. um in the debate. And this is how he answered it here in. sound 22. >> Congressman Moulton, in your last. debate, you said when you were asked. about student athletes who are. transgender, "To anyone out there. listening tonight, anyone in the LGBTQ.

community, or anyone else, I stand with. you because I've always stood with you.". "But after the last presidential. election, you said, 'I have two little. girls. I don't want them getting run. over on a playing field by a male or. formerly male athlete.'" Congressman. Moulton, which is it? >> To the trans community feeling the. weight and the pain of the Trump. administration policies, I deeply recognize your trauma. And I'm sorry if my comments hurt you.

>> Do you still fear that. >> fear that your daughters could be run. over on a playing field. >> made biological male or formerly uh male. athlete. >> Uh. my kid my kids are young, they play coed. sports, but the point I made is as. Democrats we can have that debate. That. was my full quote. And I think we should. have the And we I think we should be. willing to talk about these issues, but. I stand 100% with the trans community. >> Coward. Utter coward. Dishonest, feckless,

coward. That's I mean, forget it, right? He's. running he wants to. he wants a promotion. He's running to get the Democratic. nomination for Senate. He wants his. opponent's seat. Um Ed Markey, who's no better. I mean, he was out there openly saying, "Oh no, we got to trans the kids." Not not. exactly, but he's in favor of the trans. athletes in girl sports. Um so, those. are It's your choices. And it's not lost. on me that both these guys are running. for the US Senate seat in Massachusetts.

That's where those girls got hurt. Playing basketball. Writhing in pain. That's where we heard this. from the field hockey player. who got smashed in the face. by a trans athlete. Tell it to her.

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Joining me now is one [music] half of. one of the biggest bands of the 1980s. and beyond. Here's a hint. >> [music]. >> I. need you tonight. >> [music]. >> Ah, one of the greatest ever. Yes, Tears.

for Fears gave us Mad World, Shout, Head. Over Heels, and the iconic everlasting. Everybody Wants to Rule the World. Now, Roland Orzabal is telling the story. behind the music, and he does not hold. back. He writes about the band's. extraordinary rise, his painful split, and eventual reunion with his partner, Curt Smith, surviving an addiction that. nearly killed him, and much, much more. His new memoir is called Welcome to Your.

Life, Love, Death, and Tears for Fears. Roland, welcome to the show. >> Thank you. Thank you for having me. >> Oh, it's an honor to meet you. I'm a. huge fan, uh as a child of the '80s, of. course, I know all of your music, and. I've. >> kind. Very kind. >> from. or from for many, many years. Um so, why. now? Why You're You're still a. relatively young man. Why the memoir at. this point? >> Well, I happen I list with the agent in. uh New York called Mark Gottlieb,

and he was taking uh a book of fiction. I'd written. um or truthful around to various. publishers, and um every one of them was saying, "What about a memoir? What about a. memoir?" And And Mark said to me, "How do you feel about it?" Uh I I. wasn't particularly interested at all, cuz I didn't think that the story was. finished. Um. but I'd had a hankering of. writing a book on astrology, which might.

sound a bit strange to people. Um so, I I wondered if I could but. combine the two, so I could write about. my life, which and Tears for Fears, which are intimately connected, and that might have been enough, but I wanted to sew in an extra thread. of understanding, which I think I've done. So, hopefully, it's an interesting story, but you will. you you might might learn something. about this subject, which um.

a lot of people do not understand. >> A lot A lot about this subject, actually. About multiple subjects. I. mean, astrology, I actually I admit I'm. into it. Um I don't know that much about. it, but whenever I talk to somebody who. knows what they're talking about, I'm. completely gripped. Um by the way, you're 64. So, as I said, you're really. not that old. Um so, but it's fine. I. wrote a memoir at age, I think, 46. So, it can happen. Um if if you've. had an interesting life, and you. certainly have. So, before I want to.

talk a little bit about the band, and I. want to get your personal story as well, but. let's just start with you and your. partnership with Curt Smith, your your. partner in crime in Tears for Fears. How. did you two find each other, and what. was your background in music that made. you consider, you know, being in a band. professionally? >> We had a mutual friend, and um. I was staying with this guy, his name. was Paul Noble in Bath. I was living in. Keynsham, just outside. And he said to me one morning,

um let's go and meet my friend Curt. And um. so, we went across to what they call the. Snow Hill Flats in Bath. It's a big. Bath stone tower of council flats, state. housing, or like the projects you would. have here. And. we knocked on Curt's door. His mother answered and said, you know, uh shouted to the Curt. He came to the. door, but he wasn't allowed out. because he'd been he'd thrown someone.

down the stairs. Now, I. >> Oh. >> Yeah. I was. I was um. relatively. conservative kid. doing all the school work, and being trying to be a good boy and. get on. at school and he was a what I considered. to be a ruffian. And um. but what eventually happened was um I. was in a band with Paul. It was only. guitar, bass, and drums and we heard.

Curt singing along to a Blue Oyster Cult. song. in his bedroom. and I was I thought wow this guy can. sing. He was certainly um. conveyed all the emotions that the song. had. And so we asked Curt to be our lead. singer and then we were a four-piece all. of a sudden. So that's how we started but then we. were in. it didn't last very long then we then we. were in in another band when we were 18. and that was when we formed the Tears. for Fears at at the.

the skeleton of that band. >> Um I am happy to call Richie Sambora of. Bon Jovi a friend. >> Oh. >> He was there of course lead guitarist. and he wrote a lot of there he wrote. most of their songs. Um not all but a lot of them. How did it. work in Tears for Fears? Was one of you. the main songwriter? Did you Was it a. collaborative effort? >> No I I wrote I wrote all the first album. on my own. And The Hurting and.

Songs from the Big Chair I wrote with um. our producer and keyboard player Chris. Hughes. and Ian Stanley. But I still most wrote most of the songs. all the lyrics and melodies have been. mine, yeah. >> Are you one of those guys who now cannot. stand to hear songs like Tears like. Everybody Wants to Rule the World. because you've played it so many times? >> mind that song. at all. I mean there are others I can't. listen to, you know. You know like um.

>> What like which one like Shout? I love. Shout too. >> Yeah I'm tired of playing that song. because it's so. it's so repetitive. You know it's so. loud. We At the end of the show we can't. We have never managed to fit it in. at the beginning or middle, you know? Um. >> What on on the. on the on the subject of Everybody Wants. the Rule to Rule the World, I know that. it had a different name when it first. started, but I have to say the lyrics. they're so beautiful. They really are beautiful. It's It's.

kind of a haunting song. And. you knew that when you were writing it. Can you tell us what the original title. was and what you were trying to say with. it? >> The the original Well, there there was a. lot of, you know, war talk. at that time. Um. Russia and America and all nuclear. weapons proliferation. mutually a store. mutually [clears throat] assured. destruction. And um. the original title was Everybody Wants.

to Go to War, which I. struggled with. very much. And that was one of the reasons why I. didn't like the song. But um our producer Chris Hughes had us. play it um every day. and it came to get to came together very. naturally. And it was a eureka moment for me where. I changed the title to Everybody Wants. to Rule the World. Then all of a sudden. we were off.

>> We're looking at video of you and Curt. playing and singing and rocking out and. I wonder if you look back at that period. when you were. touring and in huge demand with all the. screaming girls. and miss it or are glad you survived it. or both? >> I didn't really notice, to be honest. with you. I mean, hysteria. is something that you can. manufacture. by the way you behave to an audience. So, I'll I you an example. In 1985.

we were doing a TV program and there. were. a lot of screaming girls outside. And um. I frozen. I There were a lot of. screaming girls outside and I. thought it was a bit strange and so I. went out the door and spoke to them all. and then the hysteria died. You know? That's a. >> Just by showing them that you're a. normal person. >> Just by showing them that you're making. them a normal person, exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. >> Does that get extremely heady? You know, you hear a lot of stories from bands who. make it big about how. they lost their connection with reality. and they they got drunk on their own. wine, started to think that they were. god-like figures. What happened to you? >> Well, as you read in the book, I. we started Tears for Fears. to get rich, get famous and get therapy. We were inspired by the writings of. Arthur Janov.

And um. all I cared about was doing this thing. called primal therapy to. go into myself and understand myself and. try and exercise some of the demons from. my childhood. So, when we made it really big, um. that's all I had in the back of my mind. I knew that what was going on with all. the success was lovely. It was. beautiful, but that wasn't. exactly.

what I had intended. So, after all that um. you know, the incredible period of of. Big Chair and the success, I then. started. primal therapy. on my own. in London. Yeah. >> Mhm. Eventually, as happens with so many. great bands, you and Curt broke up. Uh and this is. you know, every every fan's nightmare. that one of their favorite bands is. going to break up. And we saw it happen.

you know, with another great duo. I'm I. realize that it wasn't just the two of. you, but uh Hall & Oates at each other's. throats. What happened between you and. Curt? >> Well, it was quite simple. I mean, I think. Seeds of Love. maybe was. um sort of my. my child. Maybe a bit more than it was a the pair. of us. And I got him uh Alisha Adams involved.

Uh suddenly there were three singers. The stage show completely changed from. what it was when we were. at our commercial peak. And um. our manager at the time, Paul King, um. I didn't realize, but he he was also a. promoter and he made he had. made huge punt on a Genesis show which. lost money. So, he was financially in.

peril. We also took 4 years to make Seeds of. Love which made him even more in peril. And then, when we were touring, I found out by the swimming pool via our. um. lawyer. that Paul King had. taken all the profits from the tour and. put them into his own bank account. so he wouldn't go bankrupt more than a. more than a million pounds. If he had, he would have not been able.

to. do busi- business ever again. So, that for me. was more than a red flag. Uh I never liked the guy. And I thought I don't want him to be our. manager. And the problem is. problem was. Curt was his friend. So, we really split up because of our. manager. >> Mhm. >> It's a tale as old as time. >> Oh, yeah. >> But, you did find your way back to one.

another. >> Oh, yeah. >> And released another album. And now you. guys are on you're on good terms, which. we're happy to hear. >> Very much. >> You know, from afar you always want to. see that, especially given everything. that you've been through together. >> Yeah. >> But, all of that drama would pale in. comparison to what was happening in your. personal life. You. you were married to a woman named. Caroline. >> Yeah. >> And while you were touring and a a big. success, she was struggling mightily. >> She was ill for a long time. >> And she met with an with an early death.

So, explain the effect that arc had on. you because watching a loved one suffer. is not easy. And then there was a level. of guilt because you would meet your. next wife. while Caroline was still alive. >> Yeah. Well, yeah, she had. alcoholism. and um. stage four cirrhosis of the liver.

So, whatever happened, that was going to be the cause of her. death. And for the last. six, seven years of her life, I became her carer. And um. which wasn't easy. because. she was very good at using. the menopause. as a smoke screen for her alcoholism.

And we saw a lot of doctors, neurologists, hepatologists, psychiatrists, and that kind of stuff. Um. but it got really bad. And. to the point where. it was a form of. a form of dementia, a form of. alcohol-induced. dementia. And um. you know, our whole circle of friends. was shrinking rapidly. Incredible. And.

um. she was antagonistic. to them. She was at one point sectioned. She went into a a psych ward for the. elderly, not that she was el- elderly, it's just that she was so fragile. >> young 50s. >> Yeah. And um. I spent almost every day visiting her in. the psych ward, which was 3 months. And um.

once we we had to postpone a tour. because we almost lost Caroline. We I. was told she might die that very weekend. cuz she wasn't eating. She was very, very light and and she. didn't know what was going on. And um. it was. it was when the tour. um. began again. in October that year, Caroline was out. of uh. the psych ward. And.

for a little while was recovering. And I was in Denver. Um. leaving a restaurant with with Tears for. Fears and the whole crew. And I looked behind me. I saw a young woman. And I've seen a lot of beautiful women. on tour, but this one. this coincided with a voice in my head. saying. that's my wife. And um. >> Wow. >> Yeah, and I I didn't understand it.

because I'm not a very psychic person. Um. but there was just something about her. and the chemistry. And yeah, I there's no no doubt about it. that well, it was right actually. That. voice in. my head was right because, you know, when Caroline died many years later. Emily became my wife. >> Emily became your wife. >> Yeah. >> It's It's actually. it.

you write about it very honestly in the. book. >> Mhm. >> Um. about had the choice I'd made in order. to be with Emily, to not go to be with. Caroline. >> Yeah. >> determined the outcome of Caroline's. life. >> That's right. >> Or was it just a coincidence or. synchronicity? Perhaps I had simply let. her go so she could leave this earthly. plane of. loneliness, addiction, and degradation. >> Yeah. >> Very honest. I know you you struggled. yourself. You eventually.

went into a rehab program on your own. >> Yeah. >> And the the astrological journey piece. of it has also been. big for you and people can hear all. about it. Uh read all about it by buying. the book. It's called Welcome to Your. Life, Love, Death, and Tears for Fears. Uh Roland, that's his astrological. memoir. And uh honestly, if you have any. affinity for. Roland's music, you will enjoy this. I. thought you were extremely raw in it, Roland, and I. >> Thank you.

>> am happy to hear that you're happily. married now. You have a little girl. >> Yep. >> and still making music, and I'll be. there at the next concert. >> Good. >> Hopefully Kurt will be there, too. >> I'm sure he will. >> Good luck with it all. >> You take care. >> You as well. Again, Welcome to Your. Life, Love, Death, and Tears for Fears. Check it out, and before we go, um want. to make a programming note. You can go. to youtube.com/megynkelly. and you can hit join, okay? There's a. little button there that says join, and.

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