Dems Celebrate George Floyd on Memorial Day, and AOC 2028 Rumblings, with Rich Lowry & Charles Cooke

Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome. to the Megan Kelly show and happy. Monday. I hope you had a great Memorial. Day and had a moment to pay tribute to. our troops who have given the ultimate. sacrifice and their families too. Forget. about the families, but when you meet. them, boy oh boy, you you are reminded. of how much the entire family gives when. they have a man or woman in service uh. in the armed forces who ultimately is. killed. I mean, it's just we move on. with our merry lives and we forget about. them and we shouldn't. And one way of.

remembering them would be to check out. our Memorial Day special featuring Army. Master Aviator Alan C. Mack. It was an. amazing conversation about why it's so. important to honor our men and women in. uniform who have fallen in service. Um, so you're not going to hear much of that. from top Democrats. That's for sure. As. yesterday, liberal politicians in. Minnesota seem to only care about one. thing, the death of one man. and one man. only, George Floyd. It was really. unbelievable. Their public messages. around.

death and dying yesterday on Memorial. Day were they were not about our fallen. troops. They were about George. Floyd. He died six years ago on Sunday. after being arrested in Minneapolis on. Memorial Day 2020. The video showed. officer Derek Schovin appearing to put. his knee on Floyd's neck as Mr. Floyd. shouted out, "I can't breathe." There. are still, however, major questions. about his actual cause of death and. exactly where Chovin's knee was and. virtually everything around this case. because we've been lied to about it for.

quite some time. The incident sparked days of protests. and riots and supercharged the DEI. movement that continues. to infect our children in schools across. this country in the government in all. sorts of institutions in America that. are only now in some cases being rolled. back thanks to the Trump administration. I mean it's wonderful. You get these. little updates like DEI, they've gotten. rid of DEI here or there, this company. that this university. Great. Where's the.

apology for all of the people you. tortured for six years? All the students. you didn't let in because they let in. because they happen to be white or, god. forbid, Asian, right? Like, where's your. where's your accountability for going so. insane you violated federal civil rights. laws for six years. You thought the. discrimination was better if it were. just against whites. Then it would be. fine. Then you would be noble. It took Donald Trump to come in and.

strongarm these people off of these. positions. Not all of them. Some are. holding on. And yesterday's tributes to. George Floyd like he was Jesus. underscore that the problem is not yet. fully solved. To many on the left, that one death was. apparently more important than the. hundreds of thousands of soldiers who. have died for our country. Exhibit A, the Minnesota governor and Kla Harris's. failed VP running mate, Tim Walls. Governor Walls posting on X yesterday,

quote, "Six years ago today, George. Floyd's murder started a global movement. for change. Let us continue working to. build a society that lives up to its. democratic ideals of liberty and justice. for all." Walls also paid a visit to. George Floyd Square in Minneapolis. yesterday, dancing. Watch this. Not bad for an old white.

>> All righty. Thank you. I appreciate you. >> I don't know what that is, but it looks. like somebody wearing handcuffs trying. to chug a beer. That's I'm sure that's. not the proper. tribute to anyone. I don't know. Um, he's so happy. He's in his glory. Just like Kla Harris, his old running.

mate. Whenever he's talking about race. and how bad white he is, that that. really gives him a Jones. He did relief. release a brief Memorial Day message on. X. Remembering, you know, our fallen. troops. This guy wanted to be their. commander. Remember when he told us that. he had made it all the way to the top of. his unit and was a command sergeant. major? Those were lies. Remember, we. were the ones who interviewed his former. platoon mates who were disgusted at his. stolen valor. Maybe there's a reason his. mind is not so much on the troops, but.

on George Floyd. He also happened to have blown off the. nearby Fort Snelling Memorial Day. program despite reportedly appearing on. the program as someone who had agreed to. speak. But hey, he was busy. He was. with, you know, his buds in George Floyd. Square, which there is such a thing. Look, look all all you want. Okay, look. all you want at that video of the event. You will not find the governor at the. place where nearly 200,000 veterans and.

their family members are buried. The old. white guy was too busy busting a move in. George Floyd Square. Yeah. Is anyone. surprised? Mr. Stolen Valor didn't have. time to go where the actual troops who. have served showed up to pay tribute to. the fallen. He was too busy for that. He. went to the place where he actually. feels like a hero. George Floyd Square. tracks. Let's check in with Minneapolis. Mayor Jacob Fry. Remember back in 2020.

when he was run out of a protest for not. being sufficiently anti- police. Remember this? Shame. Shame. SHAME. SHAME. SHAME. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME. >> And he left. [laughter]. >> I mean, who cares watching him get. humiliated? Can you imagine somebody. doing that to you? Imagine Trump in that.

scenario [laughter]. where they tried to do that to him. I'd. like to see it, actually. I kind of. would. Mayor Fry, he basically was. leaving on figurative bended knee. I. mean, he was like, "Okay, got it. Super. woke, but not woke enough. have to go. even hardcore woker. And he was sure to. make up for his failings just a few days. later when he literally bent the knee. and sobbed before George Floyd's coffin.

Remember him in his COVID mask? Sobbing. in front of George Floyd's Oh my god, what an idiot. He's sobbing. He is. sobbing the way you'd sobb if this were. a family member. Like the heaving. shoulders. Think about the number of. people in your life who could evoke that. reaction. from you by saying anything. I mean, it. would absolutely be a blood relative or. a lifelong best friend. But what is this. performance art? So, Mayor Fry yesterday put out a. thread. This is his big opportunity. I.

mean, this is like this actually is his. national holiday. He put out a lot a. thread of five posts on X about Floyd, reading in part that Floyd's murder. quote forced Minneapolis to confront. painful truths about race, policing, inequity, and trust, and demanded hard. conversations and accountability. The. weight of what happened is still with. our city six years later, and the. responsibility to keep moving forward. together is too. He's really the Justin. Trudeau of America.

Two and a half hours later, Fry Frey, whatever, I don't care, put out one post. from Memorial Day. Just one, I say. One. post, not a five post tweet thread, but. one. And the official account for his. city was no better. Putting out a post. at 11:00 a.m. calling on everyone, quote, to gather, be with community, and. honor George's life. Got that out nice. and early. Let's get together and.

celebrate George. 5 hours later at 400. p.m. came the most generic Memorial Day. post imaginable. It just says Memorial. Day with a flag. Not even like let's. remember in honor of they couldn't even. manage those like setup words like they. did for their George Floyd post. It's. ridiculous. All of it shows you where. their actual heart is. the they the. they're appealing to the same. I don't know radical insane people we.

watched for 2 months in Minneapolis. harass and terrorize ICE agents and. there's news on that front today as well. joining me now to react to this and much. more it is an NR day here at the MK show. national review editor Rich Lowry and. National Review senior editor Charles. [music] CW Cook uh go become an NR plus. subscriber now to get all of their. content. Don't miss a moment. Subscribe to this. show on YouTube and follow me on Insta, Facebook, and X. When there are supply.

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Great to have you. >> How's it going? >> Thanks for having us. >> It's going. This is like it shows you. their true feelings, right? I mean, we're not surprised to see it, Rich, but. it's the fervor. The fervor is still. alive and well. >> Six years later, and I distinctly. remember I remember this so well. I was. I remember where I was listening to you. guys on the editors in the wake of like. the wokeification of America that. happened after Floyd. And you one of. your exit questions, Rich, was, you. know, something to the effect of, will.

we will we still be dealing with this. craziness in a couple of years or is. this just temporary post George Floyd? And I think most people thought it was. temporary, but little did we know, like. I I think you're right. I think it. actually is temporary, but the. temporariness of it has been sustained. much longer than I think any of us. anticipated. And it's just absurd. >> Yeah. Tim Waltz is the most painful, cringe-worthy politician in America. There's nothing that he does that.

doesn't make you embarrassed for him, including this. And of course, they made. George Floyd a sec secular saint a long. time ago. If you know anything about his. background or what happened in this. case, he's a very unlikely candidate for. such saintthood. But it it drove this. insanity in American life where he woke. up the next day and every elite. institution in America was woke. suddenly. Now that tide has receded but. not entirely so. And then we also had. this depolicing movement in cities. across the country. That was an utter. debacle and not for privileged people.

so-called or most white people was a. disaster for vulnerable minority. communities. Now, that al that trend has. also receded with, thank God, are really. seeing a a major wave of declines in. murder and violent crime throughout. America, including in some places that. you wouldn't really expect. San. Francisco's gotten the message. They've. cracked down on car thefts that they. they were accepting as inevitable a year. or two ago. Baltimore in April, I think, just had four homicides, the lowest. since the current tracking began in.

1970. So all that's good, but this mind. virus still exists. It's somewhat in. remission, but if these people take. power again, you're going to see it. making a comeback. >> Charlie, your your take on it because we. saw this in multiple blue cities as. though George Floyd were George. Washington. I mean, the absolutely. ignoring who this guy actually was, the. way he actually lived his life, and even.

the lies we've been told about the. condition he was in on the day of the. actual encounter with Derek Schovin, where he he said he couldn't breathe. multiple times before the officer even. laid a finger on him. We knew that he. was he had enough fentanyl in him to. kill a horse prior to encountering Derek. Schovin. all this stuff which has been. whitewashed by people like Mayor Fry. >> Well, I think there was a mass panic and. even if George Floyd had been the.

greatest man who'd ever lived and had. been killed, the consequences of that. death would still not have been. justified. The insistence that unarmed. African-American men are constantly. being killed by police. That's not true. And then the rejection of the 14th. amendment and the Civil Rights Act and. the words of the Declaration of. Independence, which is really what. wokeness is, would have been unjustified. as well. You know, that clip you showed. of Mayor Fry being booed and having to.

leave reminded me when I covered Occupy. Wall Street and uh I was I was down. there and they had John Lewis, the civil. rights hero, as their guest. and John. Lewis was going to make a speech and. someone started saying, "Hang on a. minute. He's not better than us. Why. should he be able to speak? There's a. long line of people who want to speak.". And so John Lewis after about 30 minutes. had to leave. They didn't let him speak. You can watch the video on YouTube. It's.

absolutely hilarious. I mean they have. this guy who really did go through. actual um state violence [laughter]. actual apartheite you know an actual. state that was rejecting the words of. the declaration who was violently. attacked and he's there to talk and they. say no no no no we're far too. egalitarian to let him speak because. that would imply that we're elevating. him uh above us and I think looking at. uh Jacob F first off you see how silly. crowds can be but second and the same is. true of Tim Walts what I see in those.

videos, Megan, is is Selma envy. Um I I. see people who did not have to go. through the things that the actual civil. rights heroes in this country's history. had to endure, but kind of wished they. had. And and it is their moment. Um they. wish that they'd been there. And so. they're going to try and inflict it on. the rest of us when thankfully, mercifully, uh we don't live in that. country anymore. You've got Sunonny Host over at The.

View, Rich. >> She brings this up in the context of the. fund that Todd Blanch is forming over at. DOJ uh to compensate people who have. been the victim of lawfare. And um the. the big the left's big reaction to it. has been, "Are you telling me that some. people arrested on January 6th might get. compensation out of this fund that. hasn't been approved of Congress?" Will. we object? I mean, it's not unusual for. the DOJ to create funds and to.

compensate people who have been injured. by the DOJ. That's how Peter Struck and. Lisa Page got $2 million without. congressional approval. The size of the. Trump fund is unusual. It's over a. billion dollars. Um, and so therefore, people on the left and the right think. that we should have congressional. approval of that. But in any event, that. was the issue being discussed on the. view. And would you listen to where she. took it in the context of this George. Floyd debate? >> Put it into terms that I would hope that. folks on the right would understand is I.

remember in 2020 Republicans were big. mad that Kla Harris tweeted out that. people should give money to the. Minnesota Freedom Fund which essentially. offered cash bail for people who. participated in the Black Lives Matter. protest. People were saying that's. bailing out people who destroyed. property who may have assaulted police. officers. It was a big very very limited. destruction of it was a very significant. rallying call on the right and I do. think it hurt Kla Harris's chances in. 2020 in that election. We saw with our. own eyes what happened at the capital.

but now they're going to get financial. compensation. Like make that make sense. to me. >> I just think we need to make it clear. that there can be no comparison between. uh the Black Lives Matter movement and. what we saw on January 6. So I just want. to make that clear. And that's not the. suggestion. One, >> I know that wasn't your suggestion, but. you know, people that watch our show. take away different things. So, I just. want to make that part clear. Um there. there were very u limited um destruction. of property and and and violence during.

during the uprising, the Black Lives. Matter uprising. >> That's a lie. Such a lie. Look, all. three of us are wideeyed. We all agree. there should be no comparison between. those BLM riots and January 6th. None. whatsoever. But not because for the. reason that she would state. It's. because the BLM riots dwarfed what. happened on January 6th in size and. scale and injuries and property damage. on every front. Every front. We I had my. team just pull some stats. BLM, the. insurance industry, estimates it.

exceeded $1 billion in damage. nationally, making it among the. costliest civil unrest periods in US. history. Damage to the capital on. January 6th was in the millions. Not a. billion, not over a billion, in the. millions. arrests. Roughly 14,000 plus. arrests were tied to the riots, the BLM. riots. January 6th, more than 1,400. people charged federally. And we know. that so many of those was a nothing. They walked into the capital being waved. in by a security officer only to then. just walk out and they wound up on a. watch list and arrested. But that's.

literally onetenth the size of what the. BLM arrests were. Law enforcement, hundreds of officers injured during the. unrest on the BLM riots. 2,000 was the. official estimate by the uh police. union. 2,000 cops were hurt in those BLM. riots. About 140 Capital and DC officers. were injured during the January 6th. riot. Okay, so it's not to excuse what. happened to those cops, but there's just. no comparison. There were thousands of. cops and at least one killed in the BLM.

riots. Uh the the left will tell you. people died uh on January 6th, but it's. not true. Only Ashley Babbot was killed. on January 6th. uh and at least 25. deaths outside of cops were linked to. the unrest and violence during the BLM. riots. Rich, there is no comparison. She. this revisionist history of we need to. remember them as peaceful and just this, you know, beautiful civil rights protest. that was enacted by lovers of George. Floyd and freedom. It's a lie. >> Yeah. Well, and it's also not. revisionist in her terms, right? This is.

what they said all along. Things were. burning down and they're saying they're. mostly peaceful and don't worry, it's. limited property damage. Riots are. always terrible, right? Sometimes you. you hit the targets just you you mean to. hit, you know, you burn down the police. station or destroy a cop car. That's bad. enough, but almost always you're burning. down other things and hurting other. people and killing innocents, right? You're burning down a convenience store. or a gas station that had nothing to do. with anything you're supposedly. protesting. And if you look at the much. bigger riots in the 60s and the 70s,

there's some cities, Detroit, Washington. DC, who never really recovered, right? And it's not not the people in the. suburbs who are suffering from that. It. was the most vulnerable people again, which is a common theme to these wel. sort of policies. They end up hurting. the people they're supposedly in favor. of and trying to support. And then she. also calls it an uprising, which I think. is actually a a correct characterization. if you get into technically get in get. into it technically, but she means it as. a positive connotation. It's it's a a.

justified revolution against an. illegitimate authority, the United the. law enforcement system of the United. States because it's inherently racist. And that that's the lie that that. undergurs all of this. >> very very limited destruction of. property. She says just as one example, Charlie, we pulled this is from Alpha. News in its documentary, very good. right-leaning uh news outlet in. Minnesota. Um they did a very good. documentary on the death of George Floyd.

and Derek Schovin. Very good. If you. haven't seen it, highly recommend. Um. but here's just one sound bite from the. documentary on the burning of the police. station. This is just one city in one. night of the ongoing riots we saw. >> So I get a command over the radio that. we need to evacuate the third precinct. >> Evacuate now. Evacuate now. I said like. right now. one we have to evacuate right now. >> And they said yes immediately we run.

We run with our belts on and 50ome. people and three SWAT [music] teams and. we get to the fence. We can't get out. >> We got it going. We are sitting here. >> There was only one way in and one way. out and the way out was locked. >> 1283. They've reached the northwest left. corner of the front. >> Northwest corner of the front has been. breached. >> They're coming in. They're coming in the. back. We need to move. We need to move. >> Need to move now. >> One of the squads rams through the fence. to get it open.

>> I remember looking through the rearview. mirror as we left. [screaming]. >> It looked like a zombie movie. They all. just rushed to the fence and started. climbing the fence and they caused the. fences to collapse and then they just. all rushed to the precinct. But as I got. a maybe a quarter block away, I realized. that not everyone was in vehicles. They. were running basically for their lives. at that point.

just, you know, I I'm going to show. another video, Charlie, but you know, just minimum just and and this is from. the crowd that lectures us at every turn. about how history is real. History's. important. We need to teach it in the. schools so that the children understand. slavery and Jim Crow, but I guess they. don't need to understand what actually. went down in the BLM summer of 2020. >> No, I mean, look, I don't want to. downplay January 6. It was a disaster. and I think Trump should have been. impeached and convicted and I'm quite.

happy going after the people who did it. but it was uh a small relative to 2020. and b it was actually unusual for the. right uh conservatives normally they did. there but conservatives normally don't. do that sort of thing whereas if you go. back to what happened in 2020 this is. where I find it the most annoying uh. they they really have it both ways on. the one hand they now say, "Well, it. wasn't much damage or well, it was just.

limited violence. It was a peaceful. uprising." On the other hand, if you go. back, they were saying, you know, violence is the the language of the. unheard. And they would say, well, it. doesn't matter. This was a big argument. at the time. They would say it doesn't. matter because all of those stores they. were looting and burning have insurance. Um and they would say uh in some cases. why are you so opposed to it when you. love the American Revolution there's a. very very big gap between this is like.

the American Revolution and there wasn't. much violence and I think this is a a. progressive advantage in our politics is. they never ever stop litigating things. that have happened. Uh, you want to see. a progressive do this, ask them about. the 2000 election, Bush v. Gore. They're. still adamant that Gore won that. election, which he didn't, but they do. [snorts] it more than we do. Uh, and. that line is going to be said over and. over and over and over again. And. unfortunately, a lot of people are going. to believe it.

>> Uh, [snorts] it's not true. I I think. there was the most damage ever done in. any riots in American history. Uh it. wasn't that it was the single uh riot. that caused the most damage because as. Rich says there were big city riots in. the 60s, but I think collectively the. what you might call George Floyd riots I. think did more damage uh than any other. um sort of moment uh or political season. in the history of the United States. So. to say that on television, >> so not very limited very limited. destruction of property as Sunonny Host.

would say. >> No, it wasn't. Um, and and I I it's it's. again it's you said this at the. beginning. Um, there's never been any. accounting for what happened. Uh, you. know, I I I wasn't involved in January. 6. I was appalled by it. But I'm quite. happy to sit here and say, "Yeah, that. was really bad. I think there should. have been more consequences.". They will not apologize. They won't. apologize for trying to defund the. police. They've forgotten that they did. that. Which, by the way, mostly affects. African-Americans and poor people. uh. they won't apologize for trying to. destroy uh our national creed, which.

they really did try to do uh by. insisting that uh discrimination is good. if it runs in one direction, by. insisting there's been no change in. America since the 1860s. Um by. pretending that the average cop is going. out there with the hope of killing or. hurting minorities. Uh they won't. apologize um for egging on and they did. that as well uh the riers and they won't. apologize for destroying faith in public. health uh which they did if you remember.

by saying stay in your home, stay in. your home, stay in your home, stay in. your homes. Oh, but actually if you want. to go out and riot that's fine because. it's more of a public health public. health emergency. >> Um and and I just it it makes me crazy. because I I feel as if they want to just. move on from it as if it never happened. or even rewrite it. And and it was. actually a huge moment in American. history. >> And it could easily happen again. You. know, at least on January 6, we know. that there was some some amount of feds. present. There was some instigation. We.

I've talked to reporters who were there. covering it myself by some of those. people toward the January 6 protesters. I'm not saying all of them were insensed. by that. Some of them just behaved. terribly. Um but at least we know that. like the BLM riots that was organic. That was that was like well it was. George Soros funded and all that but I. mean leftist planned and organic rage as. opposed to you know right-wingers who. were there trying to make left-wingers. look bad. That's not what happened. And. it went beyond it was property damage.

It was murder. It was injuries to cops. actually throwing bricks at cops heads. We saw that down in Baltimore. You know. mentioned the the murder rate in. Baltimore right now. They those cops got. completely harassed down there. I. remember that one that night. Not to. mention the absurd raise your fist. We. pulled some video of uh one couple. getting harassed in Pittsburgh as BLM. terrorized a white couple. Watch this. >> Your authentic self. You're an embarrassment.

This is how you're treated. Put the. glasses on. I build a set against my you. >> They're confronting a white couple at. the table. >> They're drinking their drinks.

>> They knocked the drink over and put a. fist in the air. We all saw the videos. too of them making people say BLM. Say. it, say it. You know, the harassment. I. I know we're spending a lot of time on. Sunny Host, Rich, but it this is a. leftist narrative that we we cannot let. stand. The the BLM riots were terror. It. was domestic terror that was unleashed. on the streets of America for months.

Not in all cases. I personally watched a. BLM demonstration on the Upper West Side. that it was that was totally peaceful. I. did. It was fine. It was normal. Americans who were upset about what. they'd seen on that tape and they got. together and protested. That's fine. That's their right. That's as American. as apple pie. But you and I both know. that the vast majority of what we saw in. summer of George Floyd of Palooa was. anti-American. It was riotous. It was. criminal. It was illegal. It was. harassing. It was burning. It was. looting. And it was setting black people. up for more death and murder, which has.

been documented. Spend two minutes. talking to Heather McDonald. She can. walk you through precinct by precinct. what happened with policing and what. happened in in poor black neighborhoods. as a result of the drawback. We've. interviewed people on this show, black. members of these communities who saw. crime skyrocket as a result of the cops. pulling back and she Sunonny Austin who. might be whiter than I am in attitude. and etc. And she's mil got millions. Her. son went to Harvard. She's still.

bitching about how hard he has it and. how like everybody in their white. neighborhood wants to kill him. Sure. they do. Sure. Wants to go out there and. minimize it down to a nothing cuz she. didn't feel anything in Westchester. Rich, you know, she it was fine. You. know, she was like me on the Upper West. Side where we saw like a nice protest. She didn't have to deal with it because. she's not actually living the black. experience of the people I've put on. this show, you guys have interviewed at. National Review, who had a loved one. killed or endangered as a result of the. insanity she helped unleash.

>> Yeah. So, that harassing behavior that. you're showing, that's classic. revolutionary totalitarian fervor. You. you see the same thing in the French. Revolution or in the cultural revolution. in China. It's not enough for you just. to walk away or mind your own business. or eat your brunch. you have to become a. believer. Now, because this in the. scheme of things is a relatively. small-scale movement and we live in a. lawful and liberal society, they weren't. guilloting or stoning people afterwards. if they didn't go along. But that's the.

logic that we've seen in other parts of. the world over and over again. And this. the depolicing, you had cops quitting, you had jurisdictions reducing the. number of cops, and you had cops not. going to the hotspots, which they need. to do. Cops need to go and interact with. dangerous people. And in most cities in. the country, the vast majority of. violent crime is driven by a small. number of offenders who've already. committed crimes and already known to. the authorities. You need to go and get. them and arrest them and deter them. And.

you do that, you have a much safer. place. If you don't, you have a debacle. And the years after this, we had a. debacle that was a deliberate and. foreseeable outcome of these moronic. policies. We had all these newspaper headlines. defending looting. There was a book in. defense of looting. Like looting was. good. Property destruction was great. Burning down cop stations was fine. Hurting cops, no problem. It's just it's.

absolutely absurd. That George Floyd's. death should not be marked at all. It. shouldn't be a touch point for anything. other than a reminder of how badly we. allowed certain groups to behave in this. country without throwing the book at all. of them. It was a revolving door through. the police stations that remained. standing as they got away with slaps on. the wrist and would start an era in. earnest of policing that allowed. revolving doors. You know, it was really. the Ferguson effect that started that.

Ferguson uh Missouri back years earlier. But but this this took it you know times. 10. So no we will not be doing. revisionist history on George Floyd and. what happened with BLM and the riots. The um a related I don't know it's kind. of related. It feels related uh story in. the news today is what's happening in. Minneapolis and Minnesota. Um. sorry no in uh New Jersey. In New Jersey. with Well, there's a couple now. I'm I'm.

kind of confusing my stories because. they're both reminding me of it. In New. Jersey, we had lawmakers at an ICE. facility trying to storm it, trying to. get their moment on camera, and. you know, the the nonsense is starting. up again. Let me let me stay there and. then I'll go back to Minnesota on what's. happening. But um it was at a place. called Delaney Hall where we had ICE. protests and it seems like to me, this. is my headline, you guys tell me what. you think, the Democrats are looking for. another Minneapolis. They want, you. know, the unrest of February and March.

that we saw there when we were cracking. down on illegal immigrants. They're. itching to make it start back up again. because they know it's good for them. And um I mean I think there's some. sincerity to their outrage over the fact. that we've got some of these illegal. migrants locked up. So what happened. yesterday was at this ICE detention. facility in Newark, New Jersey, the new. governor, female Mikey Mikey Cheryl was. denied access to the complex. All right. So now, why does the governor go to an.

ice complex? She's looking for her. moment. You know, she wants her moment. on cam, her AOC moment in the white. pants suit, maybe Charlie. >> And they don't they don't just open the. doors and let her in. Um, so then we. start to get a bunch of protesters there. because word has gotten out that the the. prisoners inside are having a hunger. strike in response to allegedly terrible. conditions. They claim that there are. absolutely disgusting things happening. inside like worms in their meals,

crowded in non-airconditioned rooms and. so on. Um, the Department of Homeland. Security Mark Wayne Mullen chief says. there is no hunger strike happening. there is nothing more than a political. stunt by the New Jersey sanctuary. politicians for fundraising clicks and. there are no subprime conditions. whatsoever that these are all lies for. attention either by leftists or the. inmates or both. Uh, so she went and. then we had protesters outside and then.

we had Senator Andy Kim, who's a. Democrat from New Jersey, show up there. and the left is going nuts with this. imagery because he tried to put himself. in between law enforcement and the. protesters. and tried to deescalate. He says he was. trying to deescalate the tactical teams. versus the immigrant advocates. Um, and. they weren't having it and he wound up. getting some crossfire from some pepper. spray. And there's video now of them.

spraying his eyes with water to try to. relieve him. He's he's outraged. They're. all outraged. You tell me what you make. of whether this is happening organically. or whether the Democrats have decided. they're kind of tired of being quiet and. letting the Republicans hurt themselves. and engage in the circular firing squad. we've all been in for the past six. months. and they'd really like some. headlines of their own again. >> Well, I think it's organic. There's. probably a large element of organic. nature to it because they they hate ICE.

and they believe the lies about ICE that. ICE is an American Gustapo. Now, it's. often asked we we'll see these stories. about people picked up and detained by. ICE and they end up at facility in Texas. and or Louisiana, even if they're picked. up in the Northeast and people this is. so terrible, why are you transporting. them, [snorts] you know, across several. states? It's because those states one. actually don't obstruct the these kind. of facilities and two you typically. don't see these kind of protests outside. these sort of facilities. So maybe bad. things are happening there. I don't. know. Maybe there are worms in the the.

>> Andy's in that video in the soup by the. way. Sorry. >> Maybe something bad's happening there. But the the ICE has very specific. standards for detention. They are. extensively o o overseen by all sorts of. house and senate committees five or six. and the GAO. So it's very unlikely that. these horror stories are happening but. they want to believe these protesters. that these are goolog type facilities. and they do not deserve to exist and.

they should be shut down. And if you're. a senator and you become part of the. mob, I didn't we don't haven't seen. video of the actual tear gasing. But if. you're getting in in the way there. between a mob and law enforcement. officials who want to move people out, you might get teargassed, right? That's. on you. It's not on them. And what do. you think is going to happen? >> Yeah. It's kind of a classic op where. you become part of the mob and then. you're shoved or they yell at you or you. get tear gas. You're like, "Oh my god, look what they did to me as a sitting US.

senator." Seems a classic play, but. you're right, Megan. >> Right. You're you're. >> Yeah, we're no longer I is no longer. picking them up in in Minnesota, but the. fight has has moved to this different. realm now. >> It's also It's. >> They clearly wanted the headline. I. don't know. Like to me, this would make. more sense, Charlie, if it were like. Abigail Spamberger, who has ruined. Virginia in just a matter of a couple of. months and has already terrible poll. numbers as a result of going far left, which she's far more radical than she. led the Commonwealth voters to believe.

But like New Jersey, Mikey Cheryl was. part of that same little, you know, trio. that got elected in the state house. races uh last election cycle. And she. also promised to be more moderate. that. you remember she was in a very tight. race there with the Republican. So, I. don't totally understand what she's. doing. Let me just give you a little. sound bite of her along with Senator. Andy Kim um together on site there. before the alleged pepper spray. incident.

>> This type of facility shows exactly why. we should not have private mass. detention facilities. They were raising. not just concerns about the conditions. but about how they are intentionally not. being uh given access to the courts uh. that this is a farce of a system. >> Your thoughts on it? >> I have a lot of thoughts on it. Um the. distinction that I have drawn right from. the beginning of this is between people. who have specific criticisms which is. fine. this is a free country and people. who don't believe in the enforcement of.

law at all and or are trying to block it. which is I think what we saw in. Minnesota. Um I'm happy to talk to. people about uh what our immigration. policy should be or how ICE should. behave. But if you are of the view that. ICE is per se illegitimate because all. immigration enforcement is illegitimate. and you're going to try to kick out ICE. from your locality, then we don't have. much to talk about because you are. repudiating our constitutional order.

Now I don't think that Andy Kim is doing. that. I do think that he went down there. to get pepper-sprayed and I think this. is a growing problem and this is true on. the right as well. This is not purely a. democrat problem. >> [snorts]. >> uh of politicians behaving more like. activists uh preferring to be activists. forgetting that they are lawmakers uh. and they are part of the machinery and. ought to use their influence um within. it. Uh so I I think that distinction has.

to be drawn. Um you know Rich mentioned. these complaints that people are moved. around across the country. That's a. perfect It sounds a bit specific, but. that's a perfect example. >> [snorts]. >> um of how silly some of these objections. have become. It might sound to people as. if that's somehow sinister. ICE is a. federal organization. Immigration is a. federal question. Of course, people are. moved around the country. I live in. Florida. I filed my business taxes in. Utah. Where was Timothy McVey sent after.

he was Colorado? This [snorts] is how. the federal government works. It moves. people around. There's nothing sinister. about that. And the reason I bring that. up is just because it's another good. example. They did it with Kyle. Writtenhouse as well, by the way. He. crossed state lines as if people aren't. allowed to do that. This is another good. example um of how what should be quite a. straightforward policy debate, which. again I'm open to, uh is is elevated up. into something that it's simply not. And. then you end up with ICE being cast as. as the Nazis when they're a federal law.

enforcement agency that is enforcing a. federal law that's been on the books for. a very long time and that by all. accounts was ratified pretty. emphatically in 2024 where immigration. was a huge issue. [snorts] Um so I I I. just find it so difficult to talk uh to. people in the Andy Kim mode about this. topic because they're not really. complaining about the specifics. They're. rejecting the very notion of immigration. enforcement, per se. And once they do.

that, I just don't have much to say. back. >> Yeah. So, >> and and the irony is Rich, they kind of. won this fight. They kind unfortunately. they they already won this. I had Greg. Bovino on the program um just a couple. weeks ago and he was he's the ousted uh. top one of the top dogs at Customs and. Border uh patrol and he pro protection. and he was saying there's really no. question that the Homeman and I love Tom. Hman but he's definitely representing. more of the worst not just first but.

kind of worstonly policy that the Trump. administration has retreated to in the. wake of the PR debacle in Minneapolis. Those crazy blue herhaired ladies got. their way. You know, Trump did take his. foot off the accelerator. I get why his. poll numbers were precipitously falling. The public did not approve of what they. were seeing. The death of Alex Prey and. the other woman and an enabling media. and so on. All just created a political. firestorm for the president and um we've.

eased up. So like I'm not sure what the. Democrats are doing other than they need. another hit off the needle. It felt so. good. >> Yeah. I think there are two things. one, the homeman approach, as I understand. it, in theory would be you you let up on. the very visible presence in in cities. and picking people up in a in a public. way, which is kind of what Bovino was. involved in. Let's kind of scare. everyone and get a lot of legal. immigrants to to go home. There's. something to be said for that approach. as well. But Homeman also wanted work. site enforcement, major workplace.

enforcement. He's been telling people at. events and privately, "This is coming. It hasn't come yet." So, I think his. approach would be a sounder one if. you're actually doing it. But we haven't. seen that in part because Trump's. ambiguous at best about work site. enforcement. And then two, what. Democrats are up to, the end of the day, they just consider immigration. enforcement illegitimate. So, you see. this this cascade where they they oppose. the public operation in Minneapolis that. ends. Then they oppose the detention. We. know nothing about how these people were.

picked up. It doesn't matter to them. They're just being detained. And that's. wrong. And then if they could again. they'd work their their way all the way. down to let's not enforce the border and. they'd protest that as well because they. don't consider it illegitimate. I think. this is they don't consider it. legitimate and this is an under. underestimated aspect of politics. People do things by and large shockingly. because they think it's the right thing. and they think it is moral to let anyone. who comes in the country and claims. asylum into the country. They think it's. the right thing to do at the end of the.

day. That's why Joe Biden did it. if he. didn't think it was the right thing to. do, the groups pushing him to do it. thought it was the right thing to do. because they they have this righteous. belief that borders end of the day, they. shouldn't exist or if they do exist, they should basically be a line in the. in the map and a suggestion not to come. into the country, not a barrier to. coming in the country. And that's that's. still driving them. So, they've been. pushed back on all this stuff, Megan. This is a connection to the George. Floyd. It's not at the extreme high tide. it was any of this, but you can see it's.

still there. And if they get unified. control in Washington in 2028, they're. going to try to bring it back with a. vengeance. >> Well, speaking of Democrats making dumb. moves, Kla Harris is back in the news. Charlie's favorite. This is who he. loves. He misses her desperately, and. I'm happy to tell you, you might be. getting a whole lot more of her. There. was an in-depth piece in Vanity Fair. Uh, and the title of it is, "Who wants. Kla Harris to run?" In response to which. I thought, I do. I definitely do. I do.

not speak for Charlie, but I definitely. do. Um, it starts with a great quote by. James Carville. Uh, it's written by. Aiden McGlaclin, who writes, "Qitting. the endless campaign is easier said than. done." When Al Gore was in the same. position as Kla Harris, James Carville. quipped that running for president is. like sex. You don't do it once and. forget about it. They uh he writes that. she drew 75 million votes in 2024. This. is why she might have a case for. running. the most of any runner up in. history. She holds a double-digit lead.

in some early primary polls. Her book. was a smashing success, selling half a. million copies in its first week. The. extension of her book tour was not. forced either. She's drawing soldout. crowds. And she's proven a popular voice. on social media, he writes, where a. recent Tik Tok video excoriating the. Supreme Court decision on voting rights. drew more than 19 million views. According to multiple sources close to. the former vice president, she remains. undecided, but is strongly considering. another run. quote, "People around her. are pushing her to run," says a person. who spoken with her. She seemed inclined.

to seriously entertain it. "I'll get you. to weigh in before I get to part two of. his piece, which begins as follows." "I. spoke with more than two dozen Harris. campaign staffers, former White House. aids, elected officials, political ops, and big dollar donors for this piece. Aside from her own close advisers, none. spoke enthusiastically about a Harris. 2028 campaign. Some after praising. Harris on the record asked to speak on. background to give more candid opinions. about her political future. So there's.

what they're saying on the record of. Vanity Fair and then there's what. they're saying in order to try to guide. the piece to get her not to do it, Charles, which tells us what. >> Uh well, which tells us that they think. she might lose. I mean, if she were to. run again and become the nominee, we. really would be in a new era. One of the. things that is so interesting about. American history before about the 1950s. is you do get a lot of characters who. lose a general election and then come. back. You know, [snorts] Adley Stevenson.

ran twice in the 50s. Um, William James. Bryant run three times uh in the late. 19th century. Um, and that just stops at. some point, you know, 60 or 70 years. ago. But if she were to come back and be. the nominee, then we'd have had Trump. who lost an election in 2020 and then. came back and and won in his case. Um, and then, uh, we'd have Kamala Harris. So, I think the last person who did that. was Richard Nixon, who lost in 1960 and. won in 1968, [snorts]. but that was uncommon. Um, I don't think.

it's going to happen. As you can hear, I'm quite interested. Uh, I think she's. going to run, but I don't think she's. going to win the nomination. And I'm, as. you can hear, I'm quite interested by. this sort of history side of it. Uh, but. I I just don't think that that's going. to happen. Um, I think once again she is. incapable of seeing how she comes. across. I think that's been a problem. for her her entire career. I I'm. slightly also incapable, Megan, of. judging her uh fairly because I hate her. and uh think she's the worst person in.

American life. [laughter] Um but uh if. you look at the last election um she she. really did fall on her face and the new. narrative is that she was let down by. Joe Biden. In fact, there was a piece. >> uh that used the said uh Biden effed. her. I think this was twice in the piece. Biden. And I'll be perfectly honest when. I first read that I thought now well. that is a scandal until I realized the. context and they meant politically. I'm. serious. I was I was completely shocked.

by this. I've been away for a week and I. [laughter] thought, "Wow, I've missed. I've missed a scandal." Um, I'm not sure. that's true. I mean, I I think that. Biden didn't do her any favors. I think. it was very difficult for a vice. president running uh uh [snorts] you. know, to to to uh separate herself out. from from Joe Biden. I also just think. that she's not particularly good at it. And it wasn't the case that, oh, she had. to to to throw in at the last minute and. she didn't have enough time. She was. doing much better at the beginning. the. more time went on, uh, people began to,

uh, to shift from her and realize what. she was. So, I I do think she's going to. try and run again. I think she thinks. she should be president. Uh, I don't. think she's going to get the nomination. >> I love this. I love it so much and I. want it very badly. Here is that piece. uh, quoting again from the Vanity Fair. piece. President Biden's disastrous. decision to run for a second term and. his late parachute pull to exit the race. did her no favors. Quote, "Joe Biden. her," says the third White House. aid. "He effed her." And according to.

her book, he called her the morning of. the debate to be like, "I heard your. donors are talking about me." Back. to this source, he was the. worst. He's a prick. So, this is. probably the aid to Kamla who's speaking. to Aiden McGlaughlin here, Rich, because. of course, team Harris completely blames. team Biden for the loss. But it goes on. to say just a couple of the the other. quotes. Um, I've spoken to maybe one.

person out of a hundred who thinks she. should run, says another source. Whether. it's former campaign colleagues, people. around DC, or just people around the. country who are like, "Oh god, she's not. going to run again. I've been all over. the country for these midterms. I've not. encountered anyone anyone who said, "Boy, I really hope Kamla runs," says. one veteran Democratic operative. "Will. she run?" Most likely yes. Should she? Absolutely not, says a former White. House aid. there is no appetite for the. former VP to return to the campaign. trail. I can't really name one person. who's excited about the prospect of her. running. I am uh or thinks that it would.

wind up being a successful endeavor, nor. are donors particularly enthusiastic. So. those realities are going to be heard by. the Kla Harris team. It's not like. whatever they're saying publicly, they're aware of this. >> Yeah, she's going to run. I think she. should run. What else is she going to. do? and she'd have some chance of. winning the nomination. The chance. wouldn't be zero. Now, Biden did screw. her in that he was in unpopular. president, right? [laughter] And and she.

couldn't escape it. So, that was bad. But she also he also handed a nomination. to her that she got by calling some. people on the phone one afternoon. How. often does that happen? So, but I I've. been completely dismissive of another. Kla Harris campaign. But it doesn't see. one reaction when a candidate loses is. we never want to see you again. For. forget it, you know, thank you. Goodbye. I don't think that's the reaction of. Democrats to her. She's leading in the. polling very early. A lot of that's. probably name ID. But then you run down. the other possibilities. You're like, uh, are any of these people giant.

killers themselves? No. So, I I think. it's it's the chance for winning. nomination is not zero. I'd bet on the. field rather than her, but she's going. to give it a college try and for her. purposes, she should. >> Uh, there's news about AOC today, which. we'll talk about in a minute. [music]. But first, we take a break. more with. Rich and Charlie who are here for the. show on this NR day. Don't go away. Hey, thanks for watching today's full. episode. If you're new here, throw us a. subscribe. See what you think. Stay in. touch. There's plenty more goodness.

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breaking into a laugh as she looked out. into the audience. "We don't either." An. attendee in the audience shouted back, "Move along, lady. You are the loser. You got to come to. terms with that fact and keep going.". Okay. AOC. The last we heard from AOC on any sort. of national basis was just a couple of. months ago in Munich where she was asked. some foreign policy questions that were.

very, very basic. The three of us. understand, most of my audience. understands that the basic policy of the. United States with respect to Taiwan is. something we call strategic ambiguity, where we really don't want the Chinese. reclaiming Taiwan and taking it back. over. And we may or may not be prepared. to defend Taiwan from such an attempt, but we don't talk about it. We don't. want to provoke the Chinese. We don't. want to provoke the Taiwanese on whom we.

rely for our computer chips and so on. So, we've just kind of maintained the. shoulder shrug policy when it when that. subject comes up. It's kind of basic. It's kind of interesting really. Um, this is not something that the three of. us should know. An AOC who is she's been. in Congress since 2018, right? We're. going on eight years now. Should not. know. She should know, especially. because she continues to get mentioned. as a possible presidential candidate and. she doesn't tamp down that talk. But.

here's how it went for her in Taiwan. before I get to what is happening today, not in Taiwan, in Munich about Taiwan. SB. would and should the US actually commit. US troops to defend Taiwan if China were. to move. Um, you know, I think that uh. this is such a uh you know, I I think. that this is a um this is of course a a. very long-standing um policy of the.

United States. Uh and I think what we. are hoping for is that we want to make. sure that we never get to that point and. we want to make sure that we are moving. in all of our economic research and our. global positions to avoid any such. confrontation and for that question to. even arise. [snorts]. >> Okay, so she was mocked universally. We. cut out the long pauses just to keep.

that sound bite going, but it sounds. even worse when you hear her long. pauses. Um, and now we get uh this from. Axios. AOC takes more steps toward a. 2028 run. Democratic operatives expect. that she would easily raise $100 million. or more just from small dollar donors, mobilize many supporters of Vermont. Senator Bernie Sanders past campaigns, and command attention as few other. candidates could. She has launched a. national tour in recent weeks without.

calling it that. Just in May, she's. rallied voters in Philadelphia for a. left-wing congressional candidate in a. competitive primary. She's spoken at a. rally in Montgomery, Alabama about. voting rights. She's addressed the. historic Ebenezer Baptist Church in. Atlanta with Georgia Senator Raphael. Waro. Uh she met with Reverend Martin. Luther King's Junior's daughter at the. King Center in Atlanta to talk about. data center and voting rights. She's. visited the Morehouse School of Medicine. to discuss black maternal health. She's. rolled out several endorsements and.

races across the country. None of this I. don't hear, you know what? I don't hear. in here Queens. I don't hear anything about her. district, which includes Queens and part. of Westchester. Nothing. Nothing. Okay. Um, here is what I did hear from her when. she went to Ebenezer Baptist Church. where she seems to be taking on some of. the character characteristics of Kala. Harris. See if you can guess why I say. that. Listen. >> I'm here today, brothers and sisters,

with a simple message. We stand together. >> and we are not going back. WHAT HAPPENS TO FLORIDA HAPPENS TO NEW. YORK. What happens to Tennessee happens. to California. What happens to Louisiana. happens to all of us. Ebenezer. [cheering] Because this is America. We are not divided by state. We are.

united by our humanity and common. citizenship. Because no man can grant us our. humanity. No law can erase it. No king, no system, and no president can strip it. away. Ebenezer, because it is not given by man. IT IS. ORDAINED BY GOD. THANK YOU, Ebenezer. Church. And happy Mother's Day. Praise. God.

[laughter]. Oh, they're both smiling. Rich, you want to start on that one? >> We always talk about this and mock the. people that do this. I just wonder. whether it just seems like inevitable. anyone who speaks in a black church. feels the need to talk that way. I. wonder if if I if I stood at Abene or. the podium there, I'd do it too. Maybe. it's just a such a powerful rhetorical. American style. I would or I wouldn't. >> No, you wouldn't. It's ridiculous. You're not a ridiculous person. I can.

seriously can you actually manage. yourself standing in front of a mostly. black crowd in a church and be like. brothers and sisters oh in front of God. No you no you would not have but I'm I'm. the same way on AOC as Kamla. I think. she should run. I think she is going to. run. She's so light though. So light. I. think Kamla kind of. >> so light states person compared to to. AOC. >> It so. >> yes I I mean sadly you're right. She's.

all white suit and it's an empty one, Charlie. But she is popular with the. progressive wing of her party. >> Yeah. Well, and in her defense, in her. answer in Munich, she had the ambiguity. down, just not necessarily the strategy. [laughter]. >> She's halfway there. Uh, you know, I. just spent a week in the deep south and, uh, I will agree with Rich to some. extent. It it's quite it's quite. tempting to start talking like the. people around you because it's such a.

llting way of communicating, but it is. also ridiculous. And to that extent, I. really think that people who aren't. African-Americans in church should try. and avoid slipping into sounding like. African-Americans in church. And she. couldn't do it and Hillary couldn't do. it. [snorts] Uh I don't know what it is. that infects um Democrats when they when. they enter a church that they suddenly. become.

uh that I think she's going to run too. I I actually think that perhaps one. reason she did do this is because it. might be her biggest problem gaining. African-American voters. And if you look. at the last few years of Democratic. primaries, um Democrats have been dispositive. They're the ones who've decided who the. nominee is. Sorry, African-American. Democrats who've decided who the nominee. is. Um, but they've also been more. moderate. >> They saved the party from Bernie Sanders.

uh in 2020 and they revivified Joe Biden. who looked as if he was done. >> Um, the wing of the party that AOC. represents is the Bernie Sanders wing. Um, that's who she is. And, uh, I would. be surprised if there was a mass. uprising, to use a word we used earlier, uh, of African-American Democrats in her. favor. Perhaps she knows that. Perhaps. she's trying to change that by going,

uh, to their church. Um the the last. thing is it was quite funny, wasn't it, when she was just speaking because she. she got some parts of the tone and the. intonation and the pattern right, but. she couldn't say ebeneer right. >> So she sort of ended up s she kept. adding the r on the end. So she ended up. sounding almost Irish or something where. she sort of say ebene and [laughter]. then she'd go uh like a pirate. Um so. she hasn't she hasn't quite got it. She's she's not quite there yet, but.

she's she's going to run. It's not the. first time she's tried it. We have. actually have an AOC montage of her. trying to sound like a preacher. Here's. a little bit. Watch. >> I'm proud to be a bartender. Ain't nothing wrong with that. [laughter]. >> There's nothing wrong with working. retail, folding clothes for other PEOPLE. TO BUY. AND I FOR one am tired about of. hearing about how a twobit union buster. thinks of himself as more of a patriot.

than THE WOMAN WHO FIGHTS EVERY SINGLE. DAY to lift WORKING PEOPLE OUT FROM. UNDER THE BOOTS OF breeze wrestling on. our way of life. [laughter]. >> That's that's way worse. I mean that. that that's that's bordering on parody. You know, we've talked about this. One. of the reasons is that it's such a great. it's the black preacher sort of tone is. so great. >> I just could listen to it all day. >> You just I just of course she wants to.

sound like that. >> Yes. Yes. If you had the actual Raphael. War doing it, [laughter]. >> fine. That's cool. But here she is. Um. remember she was she was campaigning was. it Jamal Bowman when he was in trouble. and she went she campaigned for him and. she looked like a lunatic. This is when. she whipped her hair out of the bun. here. much. [music]. running [singing].

before the weight. [music]. jumping jumping jumping. This reminds me. of my aerobic phase. [music and singing]. >> Here comes down the hair. I can't hear you. >> Are you ready?

>> Are you ready to take this back? >> Are you ready? Are you ready to win this country? >> Charlie, are you feeling that special. tingle that you feel when you watch. Jasmine Crockett or No. >> No. I love Jasmine Crockett. I love. Jasmine Crockett. >> I know you do. >> But no, and in fact the opposite. I've I. I actually think that that's lowered my. opinion of AOC quite seriously. Um. because I don't think she's particularly. good at that. [snorts].

>> Um I've always thought that that. although she's a lightweight and I. didn't think she's going to be the. nominee. I've always thought she had. something. She's [snorts] good on social. media. Um she she's savvy, but those. those three videos have lowered my. opinion of her. You ruined AOC for Charlotte. But she's. just Yeah. Yeah. >> They the Republicans should consult me. before they run their campaign ads. against her. I think I've found the. magic sauce. >> She's not particularly good at that. Um. but again, I don't think that's her.

lane, as they say. I think if if she has. a lane, it's not going to be that one. I. >> to me that looks like a a caricature of. what like Hollywood might prod produce. in a movie of what like a really hot. young leftist politician looks and. sounds like, but in real life, no one's. voting for that other than like some. tiny percentage of far-left young. progressives with multiple piercing. stretch. >> Yeah. So, I thought the case for her. running is that she could pick up the. Bernie Sanders coalition and that that's.

a lot in the Democratic party. But the. thing with Bernie, absolutely authentic, like him or hate him, and always knew. his brief. You never have a se a sense. when he gets any question thrown at him. that he doesn't know the answer and he. hasn't thought it through sincerely. Not the case with AOC. >> No. Well, uh, over on team blue, we have. some interesting news out of the state. of Maine. Uh, Graham Platner is running. He's a former US Marine Corps uh member.

and he served four combat tours in Iraq. and Afghanistan and is taking on Susan. Collins who's this sort of more moderate. to put it mildly um Republican who's. been in office for a long time and he's. up over her by eight points right now. and you can see why because Maine is not. particularly rightle leaning anymore and. though she's been there for a long time. She's been there for a long time. And I. think on both sides, there's sort of.

like a do we have any fresh blood. feeling coming into the parties and. she's definitely not fresh blood. She's. older. She sounds older. She's got the. shaky voice thing, which I think is a is. a health thing as opposed to an age. thing, but whatever. She just doesn't. seem all that robust. And he's coming. for her. He's up eight um for and this. is a Senate seat that, you know, the the. Republicans would like to defend now. it comes out and I don't know why now. it's interesting but it comes out that.

he on this Reddit account that's caused. him so much trouble you know he's made a. lot of controversial comments over there. and it was deleted but it's all archived. so everybody has it that he saw a video. posted by PFC Ted Daniels. um from Afghanistan and it's of Daniels. fighting with his brethren over there. he's an American in 2012 and Daniels in. this video gets shot. This is an. American. This is one of ours. Gets shot.

four times. Now you see him sort of at. the top looks like at the top of a hill. and then he goes down under the face of. the hill putting himself much more in. the front in the in the line of fire. because the Taliban fighters are. shooting already when they're at the top. of the hill. Never mind if if you're. going to crawl down the front of it and. continue shooting at them. He would. later say he did that to draw the fire. away from his comrades. Um, but. whatever. Uh, he got shot four times and. lived to tell about it. Thank goodness. Here's here's the video before I tell.

you. >> I'M see from his helmet cam hit. [gasps]. >> I'm hit. I'm hit. [screaming]. [panting]. >> [snorts].

No. Help me. I'M HIT. I'M HIT. [panting]. [sighs]. I'M HIT. UH, the great Jim Gity has a column at. National Review up about this right now.

I believe it was broken by Fox News. Digital late last week. And the headline. is that Graham Platner has sparked. outrage again as he appears to mock this. wounded soldier, saying he's a dumb. who didn't deserve to live. quoting here, "At least his stupidity. and fat ass wheezing are available for. all future infantry men to witness and. hold in contempt. Poor marksmanship on. the Taliban's part is the only reason.

this mouth breather made it home. He. managed to make every possible. decision when it comes to small unit. combat." Uh so the headline is he didn't. deserve to live and then um it appears. that he Graham Platner did not respond. at first when asked outside of a market. near his home whether he regrets making. the post. Uh, let's see. did not respond. and.

doesn't look like he is feeling too. remorseful about it because he's still. as far as I can tell has not responded, has not apologized and is just sort of. standing by saying that a fellow uh. serviceman who risked his life or us in. Afghanistan honorably and received a. Purple Heart for his four bullet wounds. deserved it and actually didn't deserve. to live and that he's a dumb. your thoughts on it, Charlie? >> Well, I think Graham Platton is a creep.

and I think that that is obvious across. pretty much everything I know about the. guy. Uh, he has or sorry, had a a Nazi. tattoo on his chest, which is something. I in my 41 years have somehow managed to. avoid doing by accident. And from that. [laughter] moment on, uh, he has got. worse and worse and worse. And I think. it's absolutely astonishing. uh that he's up eight in Maine. And I. hope he loses. I It's not even as if.

that there's much of an excuse. Uh Susan. Collins is a moderate establishment. figure, a very nice lady, uh who seems. to be unimpeachable in her personal. life. She's less conservative than I am, but she's also a senator in Maine. So. [snorts] this idea that you know anyone. but Susan Collins has to be elected to. that seat I think is ridiculous. Uh once. again Graham Platner in that Reddit post. is saying words that I you couldn't. waterboard out of me. I mean we we've.

seen him talk about women in absolutely. appalling ways. U we've seen him profess. himself to be a communist. Um and now. he's pleased when he sees American. soldiers being shot. I I I I I almost. can't believe this is a real person. I. can't believe this is a real race. And. after the last 10 years of American. politics, that's saying something. >> It's true. Wait. Uh correcting myself. here, G's post goes on to say that after.

he originally tried not to respond, he. he did pull the indignation card, Rich, by saying, um, I did four tours in the infantry. Any. attempt to say that I disrespect. veterans is slanderous and offensive. when asked the follow-up question. Slanderous and offensive. I mean, is it? Because like he didn't deserve to live. seems pretty black and white to me. And. it seems pretty simple to just say, you. know, I was behaving like a knucklehead.

I shouldn't have said that. I'm I was. being an idiot because, you know, I I I. thought his decision on the battlefield. was really dumb and I wasn't articulate. about saying that. Yes, clear this guy. is a poisonous toad. We have extensive. record online of him being a po. poisonous toad and no evidence that he's. stopped being a poisonous toad. But what. they're going to argue is that this a. product of his service and he was in a. bad place when he came back. So that's. why he was such an a-hole online. I hate. to say it. I I I think you got to favor. him in this race. It's going to be a.

very tough year for Republicans. Now. Susan Collins is a survivor. She's. survived with the polling was against. her before. Maybe she will this time. I. kind of think the other Democrat would. have been easier for Susan Collins. because he's an 80year-old white woman. with a real poor record as governor and. quite a left-wing record as governor. Whereas Platner is anti-establishment. He's something fresh and new in lots of. bad ways, I would argue, but different. than than Susan Collins. So he he's got. a real puncher chance in in this race. I.

hate saying it because he he deserves to. be a streamer, you know, like Hassan. and not anywhere near the Senate, but he's got a real chance to be there. next year. >> He's I mean, he's he's. for expanding the Supreme Court. >> He's for making Puerto Rico and DC a. state. So, before our friends up in. Maine fall in love with his anti-war. stance, which I know a lot of. Republicans are feeling, yours truly. included, um, let's not get so blind on.

the his radical leftist nature, as to. fall in love with him. I'm sure there's. a lot of positions that our friends. across the aisle may share with us on. one issue or another. Certainly if. you're an independent like I am, but. good God, he he you know, there's no. expanding the Supreme Court and there's. definitely no making Puerto Rico and DC. states or the Republicans will never win. an election ever again. Um that blog has. had a lot of things on it. One of the. most offensive was somebody posted white. people aren't as racist or stupid as.

Trump thinks and his response was living. in white rural America. I'm afraid to. tell you they actually are. And I mean, there's tons of really offensive stuff. on here. He's ripping on black people. and whatever. It's like it goes on and. on, but that's Graham Platner who's. again up eight. And um speaking of. Democrats who have stepped in it over. the weekend, intentionally or not, Tommy. Styer is running for LA mayor next to uh. Spencer Pratt who should be winning. and.

um sorry, Governor and uh next to next. to our friend um. >> Steve Hilton who should be winning and. uh he decided to weigh in on the. transgender debate on the podcast of the. very angry lady with the blonde hair. I. can never remember her name but she he. went on her podcast and the subject of. trans athletes comes up. He's from. California. Keep in mind just this past. weekend there was one of the most. infamous trans athletes. competed in track and field. This is a a.

boy who looks like a girl now because. he's, you know, posing as one with the. long blonde hair. It's a boy and he's. crushing all these women in the high. jump and the long jump and the triple. jump by like several inches and several. feet depending on the event and no. female is keeping up with him. Now the. the accommodation that Gavin Newsome has. come up with for these female athletes, the actual female athletes, is that if. they're, you know, first but for the. presence of this boy, they get to stand. on the podium with him. They can stand.

up there next to the boy posing as the. girl and they both get a first place. medal. It's ridiculous. Get off of my. riser. Go to the boys event. See if you. can get yourself on the riser there. Get. off of my riser. That's what the these. girls are clearly thinking, looking at. him like, "What are you doing up here?". So Tommy Styer from California, a. billionaire, decides to weigh in on this. debate. And uh this is what he said. Stop 14. I'm totally in favor of trans.

athletes in high school. I I I think. when you understand the vulnerability, the stress, the danger. of being a trans kid, and you understand. that almost half of them try to commit. suicide. >> Yeah. >> And then you think we're going to punish. those kids. We're going to cut them off. from team sports. We're going to cut. them off from participating in the. community. We're going to cut them off. from fun. It's like, no, we're not. No, we're not. And you know, as someone who played.

sports my whole life and love sports and. love playing sports, [sighs]. they're more important things than. whether you start on your high school. basketball team. And that is standing up. for people who are under a threat of. death. >> Oh my god. Shame on you, Tommy Styer. Shame on you. Rich's head is like in his. chest right now. This is so outrageous. that these young girls have to endanger. themselves. I mean like literally I. refer to the girl in Lel Massachusetts. on the field hockey field who got all of.

her teeth knocked out. The the other. girls were so horrified some of them. could barely go on by a boy wielding a. field hockey stick and inadvertently. smashing it in her face with the force. that a boy who's in full boy puberty. with all of his testosterone coming in. can do. That that has to happen because. it's the boy who is in danger according. to Tom St. the boy who who is. experiencing stress and vulnerability. How dare he? I issued him an invitation.

to come on this program to have a debate. with somebody who actually will. challenge him respectfully. We can have. it. No response because he's super. tough, Rich, while he's sitting across. from the angry lady who's a far-left. But he wouldn't dare come on this. program and say that to me. He doesn't. have the balls. I don't care how many. billions he has. He's so wrong. He's a. coward and he's a failure. That. soundbite is so wrong on every level, including, as you guys at National Review know, because you've been reporting on it. And. um was it Audrey Falberg? Uh but I think.

I can't remember. Yeah, I she hasn't. been there in a while, but you know who. I mean. She did a great report on. putting the lie to this nonsense about. half of trans youth attempt. [clears throat] suicide. That is. >> total Everything he said is. >> Yeah. >> Uh hold on a sec. I have in front of me. Oh, it's Matt Matty Karns. It was it was. Mattie Karns who said um the only. long-term study done on transsexuals. like post surgery. So like they've done. the crossover to see if like did having.

the procedures make them less suicidal, you know, more well. It was a 2011. Swedish study and it found overall. mortality for these people was higher. was higher than for those who remain in. their biological sex. Your thoughts? Well, Styer is a class enemy because. he's a billionaire. So, he's pandering. and and desperate clawing to get in to. one of the top slots in that. gubanatorial primary. But, you're right. This answer has everything terrible in.

it, beginning with this go-to argument. for everything that if you don't bend to. the trans agenda, you are causing trans. people to die because they're going to. commit suicide. Now, we've heard it. mostly with regard to so-called gender. reassignment surgery, but here we are. If if this guy is not on the podium with. the girls, he's going to commit suicide. It's insane. And yeah, it's not the most. important thing if you're a girl, whether you're starting on a high school. basketball team or not, varsity. basketball team, but it is pretty.

important when you spent years, you. know, on a travel team, probably. practicing, playing, and it's one of. your aspirations. Why should a guy take. your spot on the basketball team or. anything else? It's crazy. And then also. the idea that trans people won't have. fun. Fun will be banned. and prohibited. for them if they they aren't competing. against girls in competitive sports. It's just everything about it so vomit. inducing. >> They they also. >> you know what's fun? It's fun to win. It's really fun to win. And I'm sure. that this AB Hernandez in California is.

having a grand old time. Less so the. girls coming in behind him. Go ahead, Charles. >> Well, they always play both sides of it. On the one hand, they say it's so. important that people who say they're of. the opposite sex need to play in sports. that we need to upend all of our. institutions to accommodate it. And then. they say when it happens, well, it's. only sports. It's not like sports. matter. You know, I like sports, but. it's not like sports are important. You. got to pick a lane. They're either. important or they're not. The reason. they do that is that they know that they. are actually very important to people.

Um, and they know that Congress. recognized that they're important to. people, which is why we have Title N. uh. and Congress did not intend Title 9 uh. to be hacked by men who by dent of their. biological. um virtues I suppose they are bigger and. stronger on average than women um can. can win. Uh the the second thing is Rich. talks about the you know the threat of. suicide. Um that is a fundamentally. undemocratic position. I mean to to say. I have to get my way or I'll kill myself.

in any other circumstance would be. rejected out of hand. If I said I think. taxes are too high, so unless you lower. taxes, I'm going to kill myself. Or to. pick something that is far more. important in the grand scheme of things, abortion. I'm pro-life. I think abortion. is killing. In most states, abortion is. legal. Uh in some states, abortion is. legal almost to the point of birth. So, am I allowed to say you have to enforce. my particular abortion preferences or. I'll kill myself? And then what? Everyone just has to follow it. It is. completely ridiculous that that's become.

currency within our political system. And and in addition to Mattie Karns's. reporting on that study at 2011 from. Sweden, remember when that trans lawyer went. before the Supreme Court in Scaretti, which was looking at whether you could. stop uh the preub the puberty blockers. and cross- sex hormones for trans youth. And this this lawyer who I think is a. woman posing as a man who goes by the.

name Chase Strangio. got up there and made a stunning. admission when Alito pressed. her. Again, she's posing as a he pressed. her on this ridiculous claim because she. tried to argue that these trans youth, if they didn't get access to all these. puberty blockers, etc., were going to kill themselves. And. finally, somebody in the form of Justice. Alto, who is entitled to honesty from a.

member of the Supreme Court bar, no. matter what her issues, pressed her on what is that true? Like, what is the data for that? And she gave. it up. Listen, >> on page 195 of the cast report, it says. there is no evidence that gender. affirmative treatments uh reduce. suicide. >> What I think that is referring to is. there is no evidence in some in the.

studies that this treatment reduces. completed suicide. And the reason for. that is completed suicide thankfully and. admittedly is rare. and we're talking. about a very small population of. individuals with studies that don't. necessarily have completed suicides. within them. However, there are multiple. studies, long-term longitudinal studies. that do show that there is a reduction. in in suicidality, which I I I think is. a is a positive outcome to this. treatment.

>> Suicidality. So, she's saying it'll. reduce the amount that they want to kill. themselves. Okay. there there's actually. not data to support that either. Like. this is this is a lie that continues to. be pushed on us. But as you point out, Charlie, even if it were true, and by. the way, if it's if the suicidality is. caused by the fact that they're not. allowed to transition, then why do why. do we have an increased at to some level. uh thoughts of suicide by L's and and. G's, the lesbian and gay crowd, right?

Like they're not looking at transition. Could it be that just being in the LGBTQ. rainbow, you know, coalition raises. additional challenges that, you know, you may find stressful and there's no. surgery that's going to solve it for. you? You might need actual therapy to. address your issues. But you know, as. you point out, this cannot be a trump. card on the sacrifice of girls and. women's rights or children's safety and. the protection by those of us who are. over the age of 18 of their fertility,

their right to sexual enjoyment when. they get old enough to understand what. that is, which is taken away from them. when we castrate them at age 11 and 12. as loving but well-meaning parents. When. it comes to the medicalization, none of. this none of this should be a matter of. choice for the parents or anybody else. It's the child's choice that he or she. can hold on to and must make only only. when they reach the age of majority. >> Yeah. Sorry, I'm I'm I'm still. struggling to get over that voice coming. out of someone who has a mustache. Um.

that was really quite disconcerting. >> It never fools anybody. >> It's really bizarre. Uh so what we. talked earlier about the summer of 2020. and uh the moment at which uh the. medical authorities uh decided that. having told us not to go outside for. months taking our kids out of school and. so forth that it was okay to riot. I. think that was sort of the moment at. which people said so is this all just. made up which of course it wasn't but. their guidance uh was. The same thing. happened around the same time uh with.

the trans issue. This is one reason why. there is such low trust now um in. government health organizations uh and. academics um because from the United. States all the way across Europe, people. who had previously been trusted, people. who had uh doctor before their name or. PhD after it just started making things. up and you would see people say with a. straight face that there was no.

difference between the average strength. of a man and the average strength of a. woman. There's no difference in the. height between the average man and. women. There's no difference uh in. stamina or athletic ability. And the. thing is, you don't have to have uh a. medical degree or a doctorate to know. that that is just absolute nonsense. And. it wasn't just those sort of bold-faced. lies. It was when you dug down into it, they started lying in papers and in. government guidance as well. And this.

suicide uh 50% number was just one of. those. But there are tons of them. Um. they just proliferated and they've. slowly been pulled back and especially. uh in Europe which has been a little. faster than the United States. A lot of. that guidance has been rescinded and a. lot of the indulgence has been reversed. Um, but people still remember uh that. there was all of that lying. And I think. as you say, what was great about that. moment uh was that there was an.

immediate consequence for Chase. Strangio. Had Chaseed Stranger lied to. Justice Alita. It's a bit bit like being. put under oath or subpoenaed or put in. the in a box in a courtroom. You. suddenly can't do it anymore. Whereas if. you're the British National Health. Service or you're a politician or you. work for, you know, a state level public. health organization, you can say. whatever you want to to follow the. trend, but but Chase Strangio couldn't. uh because the court has rules. Um and.

that was that was really a terrific um. moment by Justice Alito where he got uh. he got Chase Strangio to uh to to admit. that. >> Yeah, you have a duty of cander to the. court as an officer of the court. And I. mean, especially when it's the Supreme. Court and you're part of the Supreme. Court bar where the behavior bar is up. here as well. Uh, and so she was caught. She had to give it up and she did. Um, it's not just, you know, streamers and. so on. Uh, the Hollywood crowd too still.

pushing this messaging. Rich, this went. unnoticed because nobody really cares. about these two people, but it is. indicative of left-wing thinking that. still dominates the Democrat party. I. mean that that leaked DNC autopsy report. that came out. Well, it's not leaked. because they actually finally made the. decision to release it after a lot of. pressure, but it said, oh, that Kla. Harris they them ad that Trump unleashed. was very, very effective. But then they. were quick to say, but it's not going to. change any of our behaviors. We're. totally we're on board with the trans. thing. Like notwithstanding that, you.

know, that was a good ad, but nothing's. going to change. Um, here's a little. microcosm of really truly this is how. the the average leftist, not like the. more moderate Dems who still linger in. some pockets of the country, but the. leftists have taken over the party, how. they think. And this is Lena Dunham. talking about Monica Lewinsky. Forgive. me. Here you go. What's interesting now. is these conversations about now we have. more conversations than ever about what. gender is. >> but also this sort of to use a very. internet word gatekeeping of what being.

female is which is this kind of. >> you know we know the word turf like what. it is to kind of say. >> if you haven't been female in this. extremely specific way that in is. involves biology then you are not. welcome at this party. I had I had Dylan. Mulvaney on recently and you know it's. it's an amazing her story is amazing. I. have multiple. nuclear trans family members. It's a big. >> it's been a big education for me to see. >> to be around that. I think you know I.

got to go speak at um at Trans Day of. Visibility in DC last year with this. amazing group called the Christopher. Street Project. And the thing I. expressed was just how having a trans. sibling, having trans people in my life. has really opened up in this most. expansive way. >> So there she's complaining of the. gatekeeping of what female is. And of. course, Rich, the irony of saying if. you're not female in the exact specific.

way they want, you're not female. That's. >> biology. It's biology. That's a specific. thing. That's too constraining. >> She means she means not having a penis. >> It's the left. >> Yes. Exactly. But it's the left that's. saying if you're a tomboy and probably. gay, like a female who's probably. lesbian, you're No, you're a boy. That's. that's not being female in exactly the. specific way that's demanded by.

leftists. They're the ones who have. reimposed these gender norms. We on team. sanity, which is right-wingers and their. the [snorts] independents who lean. right, we're fine. We have a big tent. We love our butch lesbians. We're not. trying to make them into boys, okay? And. we love our fem boys. We're not trying. to make them into girls. It's fine. It's. her. That's the irony. She's the one. doing all that. Rich. >> first, by the way, when she said nuclear. trans, I was like, is this a new gender? [laughter]. >> Don't tell Trump he'll invade. >> Yeah.

Look, this is why, you know, a. traditional gay guy like the journalist. Andrew Sullivan hates this stuff because. because it would mean like everyone. would be trying to convince him that. he's really a girl or he's like, "No, I'm a guy." Y. >> I'm just I'm just a gay guy. So So this. is this is crazy. And and again, these. aren't hugely um no disrespect to Monica. Lewinsky or Lena Dunham, you did have a. write a hit show, not the the most. thoughtful original people. So these are. just the the beliefs that come they're.

received that come down to them and they. they're reflecting right and thinking. they're being extremely original and. thoughtful when they're saying it. But. again as theme of this whole episode is. this stuff is still working hasn't gone. away. I believe we've reached peak woke. because I don't think they're going to. get every institution in American life. to go along the way they did in in 2020. But but they they will do as as much as. they can to to push and reimpose this. stuff as possible if if they're they're. in power again.

>> Once AOC took the pronouns out of her ex. bio, it was a very good sign. We were. off to the races on the end of Peak. woke. It was just, you know, she was as. woke as they come. She lectured us on. all the things and she did take those. pronouns down and it's over. I mean, it's it it's it's lingering, but the war. on that issue has been won. We just have. a few more legal battles to put to rest. Thank God. Thank God. But so that we. have to we have to, you know, obviously.

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to settle the Iran war or at least to. engage in a phase one settlement of the. Iran war that would be followed by a. phase two which would take us closer to. like a more encompassing peace deal. Um. they are saying precious little about. it. So I'll tell you what we've cobbled. together based on all the reporting. First of all, uh, President Trump has. said that. it's going to be a good and proper deal. if he makes it. Not like the one made by.

Obama, which gave Iran massive amounts. of cash. Our deal is exactly the. opposite, he said. But nobody has seen. it or knows what it is. It isn't even. fully negotiated yet. So, don't listen. to the losers who are critical about. something they know nothing about. I. don't make bad deals. Um then we did. find out from a truth social that he. thinks it quote should be mandatory that. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt and Jordan. uh should have to join the Abraham.

Accords where they recognize Israel's. right to exist and engage in diplomatic. relations with Israel. Apparently, that. call didn't go over very well. As. Axios's Barack Ravid, who's gotten scoop. after scoop from the administration, reported that when Trump said it on the. call with these people, quote, there was. silence on the line and Trump joked and. asked if they were still there. So, I. don't think they want these our Middle. East Arab allies joining the Abraham. Accords to be part of the settlement of.

this deal. He also said Iran should. join. Okay, good luck with I mean, good. luck with that. Wow. So. we this is what I think is happening. Uh. treat parsy who's done a great job in. reporting on this war from the. beginning. He posted to his substack uh. the following that the agreement. includes a comprehensive cessation of. hostilities. So we're going to stop. bombing them and they're going to stop. hitting us over there. Including in. Lebanon, which was originally what we. were supposed to have with this.

ceasefire, but it didn't go through. through. Israel kept bombing Lebanon. And in fairness to Israel, Lebanon kept. attacking Israel, too. So, we're. supposed to have a comprehensive. sessation of hostilities, including in. in Lebanon. The gradual release of. Iran's frozen assets. So, we've got a. bunch of their cash around the world. that we're freezing that they can't get. access to, and we're going to ease that. And an end to America's blockade of the. blockade in the Straight of Hormuz. So, we'll pull to some extent our war. fighters from the straight and allow. Iranian ports to to come back open and.

online. And then the maritime traffic. through the strait which has been under. Iranian control quote would would resume. under joint Iranian and Omani oversight. Oman is the other country that has. access you know is the border of. straight of Hormuz those two. So I don't. know what that means. They'll work. together to allow ship traffic. Will. they be charging? I don't know. Um and. then that would give them an additional. 30 days to negotiate a final agreement. the second stage would address the.

nuclear issue and the long-term status. of the street of Hormuz. I'm just going. to give you a little flavor of the. reaction from the more hawkish. Republican and Democrat thought leaders, politicians, and so on. Here, watch. >> I remember when we never used to. negotiate with terrorists. Here, we. negotiate with terrorists repeatedly, constantly. So when they're quote. unquote negotiating, they have no intention of living up to. any aspect of any deal.

>> that I really prefer not making a deal. and going back to combat operation. They. will be empowered here as a result of a. deal and they will continue. >> where we're going to unfreeze Iranian. assets and give them billions of dollars. to be able to control proxies again. Giving Iran more money, as he has said, will allow them to do things like fuel. their proxy, terrorist proxies. If the. result of all of this is to be an. Iranian regime still run by Islamists.

who chant death to America, now. receiving billions of dollars, being. able to enrich uranium and develop. nuclear weapons, and having effective. control over the straight of Hormuz. That outcome would be a disastrous. mistake. The details are still coming. out and I pray that the early reports. are wrong. Rich, your thoughts. >> So, I think what's going on here? Clearly, [snorts].

President Trump is high, highly. reluctant to start bombing Iran again. I. think for a number of reasons, right? One, obviously, the politics. Two, we're. running low on precision munitions. Three, the Gulf States aren't so sure we. can protect them from Iranian. retaliation. Now, I also think the. Iranians don't particularly want to get. bombed again either. So I think both. sides are ready for a deal and then both. sides are trying to avoid over bidding. for a deal. I think we'll get a basic.

trade of the blockade our blockade for. an opening of the straight of form moves. in some form or another and then and. then you'll see what you can get on on. the nuclear. The problem Trump has is I. think at the moment he seems more eager. for a deal than the Iranians are and the. Iranians see that and sense that and two. once the Iranians at the outset of the. conflict claimed de facto control of the. strait and we couldn't or didn't or. whatever take it back then they have. this enormous strategic chit that you.

have to negotiate over to get back. before you even get to the nuclear stuff. which you consider most important. So, I. think there'll be a deal and the devil. will be in the details, espec especially. on the the nuclear side of it. >> I I'm not surprised to hear them. objecting to our loosening the spigot on. Iranian assets and funds, Charlie, because that's something that people who. can't stand Iran, don't trust Iran and. think Iran is going to, you know, launch.

some sort of nuke against Israel, etc., really don't want for them to be flushed. with cash. And if they if they do have. control over this trade at all and we're. loosening our, you know, restrictions on. their cash, they're not going to like. that. So, does it go through? >> Well, I I don't think that any of the. people that you played clips from are. going to persuade Trump. I think Trump's. going to make his own decision as he did. going in. I do wonder if it was a.

mistake. As you know, I've been unsure. as to what I've thought throughout. Uh. I'm. not as educated in this area as riches. Uh and I'm also not as sure of my views. on foreign policy. Um I mean to me it. seems that that the sort of solid. argument if if we end up with that being. the deal is that you've got broadly what. we had under Obama except that we also. have bombed their nuclear sites. But we.

did that before we went in the second. time. Uh, so I I do think it's going to. be quite difficult to spin. The argument. is going to have to be, well, look, gas. prices are coming down again. Well, yeah, but they went up because we went. in. Um, so, uh, I think Trump might want. out, but um, I'm not sure we're in a. particularly good position uh, now. And. I think that a lot of the criticisms. having gone in that we just heard are. correct. >> Out would be good. I'm in favor of out.

I don't think it's going to be pretty or. perfect, but out is better than in. And. at this point, you know, given the poll. numbers on this war, it's like, how much. are we going to lose? We we can't lose. much more. It was like the Grand. Platiner's up by eight. We could lose. control of the Senate. Untamed sanity. We're definitely looks like going to. lose control of the House, though. The. redistricting offers one shed of light. Uh I'm rooting for out and I hope the. president withstands this pressure. Guys, a pleasure. As always, check out. National Review. Go and subscribe.

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