ALARMING Comments From Female Lindsay Clancy Jurors, and Frank Turek on One Year Since Charlie Kirk

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the side of the prosecution and the one. is on Lindsey Clancy's side? Jonas. Bilbbor and I kept hope alive on that. front. Phil Holloway was saying I don't. think so. No, I I think it's 11 for. Lindsay. And um boy was he right. Were. Janna and I so off. We gave this jury. way too much credit. Way too much. credit. I in my defense in Jonas too, we.

weren't able to see the jurors. Like if. if I had seen even just these three, I. think I would have known from the start. where this was going as as would you. Um. it's incredible. Three of them sat down. with this woke Boston journalist who's. got her pronouns in her bio and was on. the governor's board of the Human Rights. Campaign, which of course is the. far-left LGBTQ brigade that's been.

shaming corporations for how woke they. aren't and trying to get them to be even. more wokeified for the past several. years. In any event, um, this woman from. NBC Boston, she sat down with these. three female jurors, and the these. female jurors are straight out of your. nightmares for what kind of juror might. wind up at the Lindsey Clansy or any. other trial to be honest. I I mean, I. think most of us thinking people were.

horrified when we heard them speak. I. mean, genuinely horrified. one sound. bite was worse than the next, including. the four person. Um, and they all went. after the one male hold out juror. They. were disgusted with this guy. I mean, they didn't even wait until Lindsey. Clansancy was wheeled back into the. mental facility before they started. attacking this guy publicly. And wait until you hear why. Like, there.

are reasons. Okay, watch this one. He. was very arrogant. He really did not. take anything that anybody said. The. nurses, he he tried to ask a question. about the medications. And we went back. to the report from Southshore Hospital. We had the toxicology report. We could. see exactly the amounts. The nurses in. the room spoke to that. And.

>> nurses on the jury. There were nurses on. the jury. >> Yes. they spoke to that that specific. thing. That was a question that he had. and he just completely disregarded the. information that they gave him. I mean, he had reasonable doubt. He admitted he. had reasonable doubt after we watched. that video of the interview. I think. that's when it was. >> He admitted he had reasonable doubt. And. I started filling out the forms. I was. so excited. I actually there were three.

forms I had to fill out and I started. filling them out. I wrote my signature. on each one and then he said, "But I'm. still not going to say that she's not. guilty with by reason of insanity.". >> Okay, they're mad because he was. arrogant, unlike you ladies who seem. very humble and and open-minded to. differences of opinion. Um, by the way, just that was jury four person Ronnie. Clark there at the end. Retired fifth.

grade special needs teacher appearing to. try to complete the jury verdict for him. without taking a final vote. She was. already she was so excited to to find. her not guilty. What do you mean? He. rained on her parade. He pissed all over. her pen as she was excitedly writing. down not guilty and now she's mad. Also, we had juror Paula Develin there who. worked for government contractors, saying the jury was using analysis. by the nurses on the jury that was. calling on their own expertise.

and it was not part of the evidence or. testimony presented at the trial. Well, this is a potential problem, madam. This. is not something you should be boasting. about to some journalist. As the. Federalists Shawn Davis pointed out on. X, this may have been in violation of. Judge William Sullivan's jury. instructions. Here is what the judge. told them before they started. deliberating. Watch. >> You are not to decide this case based on. anything you may have read or heard. outside of this courtroom. So, if.

somebody has a question in that jury. room, you are not allowed to try and. answer it by anything other than through. the exhibits and evidence you've heard. All right. Um, we said, so I just kind. of want to make that real clear. >> Okay. So, going in there and pretending. you are a mini expert as a nurse is. really not in the spirit of those jury. instructions. Now, everybody brings in.

their life experience and that's normal. But acting as a little mini expert to. interpret the toxicology report for the. lone hold out juror and then to get. pissed off that he's not listening, that's really what that was. Okay. So, you could argue about whether it was. appropriate for them to be trying to be. the little mini experts in there. Um, you know, conducting their own little. experiments on the toxicology report. based on whatever knowledge they have. But this hold out juror's decision to.

reject that as not the expertise he was. going to base a life or death decision. on was entirely appropriate. And these two these people are too. clueless to understand that they're. actually openly bitching about it saying. like he was arrogant because he didn't. ex accept our expertise. No one called. you as experts. You were there as lay. people citizen jurors. And and there was more there was more. about this woman was the worst. I mean,

it's tough to pick, but I think this. woman, Kelly Fina, a retired chef, was. the worst of the three. She everything. she said was annoying. And and in. particular, just listen. This thing went. viral yesterday for obvious reasons, but. think how stupid you'd have to be to say. this on camera and not think it was. going to cause a stir. Listen. We read to him on numerous occasions the. definition of reasonable doubt from.

Judge Sullivan's instruction. He. actually said one day in the end, "Well, why don't we have the judge come in and. read it again?" And we were like, "No, we have it in front of us." But he had. the hardest time getting off the fact. that Lindsay viciously killed our. children. Did he? Was that difficult for him? Why. wasn't it difficult for you? She actually thinks we're going to hear.

that sentence and be on her side, not. his, and we're going to say, "Oh, this. unreasonable prick. He He had a really. difficult time getting off the fact that. she viciously killed her children.". Yeah. Yeah. Same. that like I guess there's some woke. liberal annoying contingent that is. listening to this saying, "Yeah, that's. that pisses me off." I think the vast. majority of normies out there is on the.

side of the man. Yes, we also had a. really difficult time getting past the. fact that she viciously killed her. children. Yes, that's a normal human. reaction to what she did. The jurors, they they also were very. critical of the prosecution. And you got. to hear why. All right? It wasn't like. they didn't persuade me that she knew. what she was doing. It wasn't that. You'll hear what it was. Let's listen to.

a few sound bites here. >> I just found it to be harsh, Sue. Very, very harsh. >> We weren't trying to figure out she. murdered the children. She did. >> and she's admitting that. We're trying. to figure out did she know right from. wrong at that time and with everybody. saying she loved her children so much. and everything proved she loved her. children from her journals to um her. mother-in-law. everything proved that she loved her.

children so she had to have snapped. >> okay that snapped doesn't it doesn't. advance the discussion at all that was. the four person Ronnie Carlson. Um, and. then back to Kelly Fina, our favorite, who had this to say about the. prosecution. The fact that. they had no character witnesses. to in regard to Lindsay of being a bad. mother. I mean, right out of the gate,

it's like. you're presenting all these medical. professionals, but nobody's presenting. for the prosecution a woman and a mother. of three children. So, I found it to be. biased right out of the gate. I I found. them also to be kind of unprofessional. and um just without a heart. And and for. me that right away I was like, okay, where is this going? right from. statement one.

>> There is no compassion in this courtroom. right now, which I guess is is expected. of a prosecution, but I thought it was very cold. >> Oh my god. I mean, you failed prosecution. You. failed on jury selection. That's what. we've seen here. You utterly fa Forget. what forget that nonsense about no. compassion and no heart. The prosecutor. sprag had compassion for the babies who. were murdered. She had a lot of.

compassion for the three children and. was there to represent them. She was not supposed to be Oprah. Winfrey. You idiots. Like what? They were they were biased. because they didn't call character. witnesses. to tell us that Lindsay Clansancy is a a. bad mom. I think they thought the. corpses of her children would be proof. enough. You idiot.

I like this is unbelievable. The. prosecution failed so terribly on jury. instruction. That's where this case was. clearly lost. Clearly lost. I mean I. don't know how these people made it on. I like there were questions. A lot of us. had questions about the fact that there. were nine women on the jury. You know I. mean the women they tend to be tender. hearts. their empathy gets exploited. their entire lives so that it stays. super alive and they can be super woke. um when they grow into full-grown women. except when it comes to the unborn. You're not allowed to allowed to have.

any empathy for them. And as it turns. out in Massachusetts for the born but. not yet adult children. Um. th this is the most absurd. She was. unprofessional. and biased because she didn't call a. character witness telling everybody that. Lindsay Clansancy was a bad mom. I mean, you figure that out. I I can't figure it. out. She didn't have compassion for. Lindsay Clancy, the murderer, who she. was trying to convince the jury should. be locked up behind bars. I um sister,

uh this is a McDonald's. What are you. What are you talking about? You are not. on the set of Oprah. The three jurors who spoke to NBC. Boston, you're not going to be surprised to. learn, had a much more favorable view. I. mean, honestly, I think they had the. hots for Lindseay Clancy's defense. lawyer, Kevin Readington. Watch. >> just his whole. demeanor. Yeah. >> Is um was funny. And there was one time, whatever he said, I don't know, but I.

went. [laughter]. >> he was entertaining, which was good. because we needed some of that. >> and arrogant at the same time. >> Yes. >> Like arrogant and entertaining. He would. go back and forth between that. >> Yeah. But compassionate. >> Yes. >> Through his with his arrogance. I. >> his compassion towards Lindsay was. amazing. >> Entertaining. That's his job. Sure. And.

the one woman the long blonde hair says. and and arrogant. Arrogant. Arrogant. through his compassion. What? Yeah. We. have a bunch of no nothings sitting in. this jury on this jury, but compa so. compassionate toward Lindsay. I mean, Kevin Readington played them like a like. a a fiddle. Like, good for him. Total. win for him in that way. Just completely. had them eating out of his hand. You are. so stupid. You don't realize how you've.

been so manipulated. You're so dumb. You. didn't even realize this was all a. manipulation of you no nothings. But. okay, you feel good about yourself. Uh, great. CBS Boston also spoke, this is. CBS, that was NBC. Um, CBS also spoke to. a juror, juror number five, a female who. wanted to remain anonymous, who had a. different take on what happened with the. hold out juror. Listen, >> I will say a majority of um the people. on it doesn't matter what side it was.

on, was very firm in their like stance. and their their beliefs kind of from the. beginning. um you know, this standalone juror was. not the only one that was unwilling to. to see things from the other side. Um so. I'm going to kind of defend that. individual in a sense. Um there were. some big personalities in that room, but. at the end of the day, I feel like. it just came down to.

an inability to kind of move past your. convictions. And you know, even after. that dynamite charge to. be unable to, you know, selfanalyze. yourself and be like, "Okay, am I. missing something? Am I failing to. acknowledge or give this a weight or. something like this doubt weight that it. needs?" That person, majority of the. room was trying to kind of sway that. person from the very beginning. >> And he wasn't swayable. Tough.

That's what it means to be on a jury. that he had an inability to move past. his convictions. Why should you move. past your convictions when you hold a. person's freedom in your hands? Uh, isn't that the moment that you really. should hold on to your convictions? I. mean, this is so absurd. If the shoe. were on the other foot, we would see. this so clearly. If the hold out had. been for a a not-uilty verdict and. everybody else had been for guilty, he.

should have just moves moved past his. convictions to convict somebody. No, we. would all see how absurd that is. Well, the same holds when the shoe was on the. other foot. So, like grow up. This jury. need to grow up. And by the way, it's. very interesting there. She talks about. his doubt and [snorts] she just talks. about doubt, right? When you heard the. other three ninnies, they were over. there talking about it was reasonable. He had reasonable doubt and he refused. to refused to apply it. Well, that's not. what the four person, the short-haired. lady there, said in her juror note to.

the judge. She didn't say he has. reasonable doubt. Even Kevin Readington. didn't say that and he would have said. that if he thought it would have helped. him in his papers or before the judge. He just said this hold out juror is. saying he has doubt but won't apply the. standard of reasonable doubt to it. And. that now when she sat down with the NBC. reporter, she changed it to he had. reasonable doubt. Oh, really? You didn't. write that in your note. Now you write. that because you want to upend what he. did. You want to challenge him. You want. to say somehow he was so unreasonable.

That's not what you wrote. Why didn't. you write that? That would have actually. really got gotten people's eyebrows up. The judge probably would have felt an. obligation to voad the juror, but that's. not what you wrote. And juror five. there, you just heard her. She referred. to the fact that he had doubt. Again, you're allowed to have doubt. The. standard is not must be found guilty. behi beyond any doubt on earth and. therefore you can hold it's beyond any. reasonable doubt. So if you have a.

reasonable doubt, you you may not vote. to exonerate the person. This guy. clearly had a doubt but he didn't think. it rose to the level of a reasonable one. and therefore was ready to vote guilty. That's his prerogative. He wanted to find her guilty because. while he had some doubt unexplained. about some element of the case and we. have no idea whether there was even a. material element, he was persuaded. beyond a reasonable doubt that she knew.

what she was doing. He's entitled to. that POV. This is this post verdict. pylon by these hens is just so. repugnant. This same juror number five here. speaking to CBS also said she originally. was ready to vote guilty. >> So where did you come down from the very. beginning? Like what was your vote? >> So. originally I felt as though she was. guilty and she was criminally. responsible for it. Um.

and maybe I still believe that in a in a. certain way. Um, I I think that this was. a woman who, you know, she was not mentally healthy. She was someone that was in the throws. of a significant mental health crisis. So, I really just felt like she was so. deep in it that she couldn't see her way. out. >> and. >> and this was the only option.

>> Okay. So, she's allowed to want to vote. guilty, but this other guy is not. She was ready to vote guilty and so was. he and he held on to that position, but. she didn't and therefore he's bad. He he. he needed to be browbeating. um that what she said there tracks with. NBC Boston's reporting that four jurors. four did did not want to go for the not.

guilty by reason of insanity at when. they began the deliberations before. three of them were eventually persuaded. to join the majority but this last juror. was not. So you had four who were like, I think she's guilty. I'm not ready to. go with the not reason, not guilty by. reason of insanity. They managed to get. three out of the four over to their. side, but not the fourth. And now. they're just, I guess, going to spend. the next few weeks and months trying to.

paint him like he was some rogue dude. who wouldn't apply the law. They. clearly, by the way, it was very clear, and I. said this to you guys last week, what. happened was they got the dynamite. charge from the judge that basically. said, "There will never be two 12 jurors. who know this case better than you, who. have, um, more sensitivity toward the. facts than you, uh, who could be more. fair than you. So, please, please, please try to come to a verdict." Okay? And I said on the air last week, obviously they took that and they.

decided we're just going to turn on the. hold out juror and try to find a way to. either kick him off or strongarm him. into our side. And I said I believe this. argument that he had a doubt, but it's. not he's not applying the reasonable. doubt standard properly was just their. attempt to browbeat this guy or eject. him. And that seems very clear. I mean, you heard in that one woman's soundbite, you know, sure, well, we had the. dynamite charge and so like, we had to. decide what to do. I mean, that's. exactly what happened. That's really not.

what the dynamite charge is supposed to. be used for. He wasn't persuaded. You. you shouldn't be bullied into changing. your verdict when you actually don't. believe a change of verdict is. necessary. Everybody has to live with. their conscience. I've served on a jury. I know what I'm talking about. Served on. a whole trial for a week. I was hosting. America's Newsroom with Bill Hemer at. the time. We talked all about it. Uh, juror number five, just like her. other fellow three female jurors, had. some criticism for the prosecution.

Watch this. >> Just tell me a little more about like. the the the evolution for you. cuz I'm. I'm interested because you mentioned how. there were so many strong personalities. in there, but then tell me how you kind. of, you know, you you changed a little. bit. >> because at the end of the day there's. there was so much doubt. You know, the. prosecution didn't have a figurative, you know, smoking gun. There was not a. single moment throughout that. presentation, that case that you could. say, "Oh, yep. 100% I'm certain she did.

it or that she didn't do it." there's. there's too much gray area. Um, and. eventually I just felt like the only way. to get justice were for Kora Dawson and. Ken and Patrick and her parents and. anyone else that was closest was to get. her the help that she desperately. needed. And there's no way she's getting. that help. >> Okay. There's no smoking gun. What? Like.

I I [laughter] don't I don't really even. know what to say about that. Like this. is why trial lawyers don't like. interviewing jurors after the fact is. you find out just how clueless they. were. They say bizarre things, dumb. things. Remember Iglar was telling us. some stories last week. This is why. In. in both interviews, the jurors described. how disturbing it was to hear Lindsay's. husband, Patrick Clancy, call 911. That. that means they're human. That's good.

because like the Daily Mail reporter who. was in the courtroom said it was. life-changing. Everybody who listened to. that 911 call seemed deeply deeply. disturbed by it. And this is something. that the public has still not had access. to. They have not released the audio, but the jurors did hear it and they were. affected. Watch. >> How did you react to the 911 call? It's. something that I will never not hear if. I think about it. Um it was the most.

horrific thing. And when we we heard it again in in the. um jury room, we were we were crying. again. We were just like, my god, the. desperation, the despair in his voice. was. >> again, it's it's something I I that will. stick with me. >> And I felt that it was it was genuine. It was absolutely genuine. There's no. doubt about that. >> There were jurors that had to put in. their earpods and just could not hear it.

again. >> Um they had to turn up their music and. put it in because it it just it was too. much. once was enough. >> I will never be the same after a 911. call. Um, after we learned, like after the trial, I saw all the conspiracy theories about. how Patrick did it and that he somehow. convinced Lindsay that she had done it. when it was really him. And all I could. think was that. if some if these people could have heard.

that like visceral. like her lane scream, >> you I I don't think I could name a. single actor or actress that could have. performed performed that the way he did. And not that he performed it, but. like. I I will never be a singer for that. Yeah, it was it was horrifying. >> It was horrifying. >> I have no doubt. And I'm sure it was.

even more horrifying. to be one of the three children, Kora, Dawson, or Callum, and having your. mother snuff the life right out of you, strangle you to death with an exercise. cord while you struggle to breathe. Blood vessels breaking in your eyes, struggling to get any air in your lungs, and having your mother who's so much. bigger than you. and the one person. you've depended on your entire life for.

sustenance, love, and existence. turn on you. and try to successfully end your life. I'm sure just as difficult as it was for. those jurors to hear that 911 call, it. was far more difficult for the children. to have their lives snuffed out by their. mother. And I don't want to hear any more. nonsense from these idiots about where. was the prosecution's compassion. They had compassion for the children.

That's who deserved it. Go back to your cooking and stay there. I hope they never serve again. Not not. on a case with real victims. Um this was. an abomination, these women. I I'm I'm. horrified. Not surprised, but I'm. horrified. Um, and I'm sure the. prosecutor is looking at this thinking, "Good God, I don't know how this affects. Tim Cruz's decision about whether to go. forward." I mean, is if this is the. Massachusetts jury pool, he's effed.

What's he going to do? Going to get 12. more like that. Uh, good luck to you. I. I don't know what he's going to do. I. like if he if they cut a deal, it needs. to be for a significant like a. guaranteed amount of time behind bars. like maybe, okay, voluntary. manslaughter, but it's gonna have to be. a hefty, hefty sentence. And I just. don't know that Kevin Readington is. going to agree to that. I'm sure he. wants Tim Cruz to agree to put her in a. mental facility, arguing that's where.

she belonged. I convinced 11 jurors, and. I really hope Tim Cruz holds the line. and says, "No, she's going behind bars. She's going behind jail bars. That's the. only deal we strike or we go back to. trial." I I hope that's what he does. He. seems like a strong man. He knows his. jurisdiction better than I do. So, if he. decides not to do it, you know, we're. going to have to realize that this was a. man who tried to do what was right and. maybe came to a reality that we may have. to accept that there's just no r not. enough rational jurors in his town for.

him to get a conviction on that. I don't. I don't know. I'm horrified. I want to. keep going. Um, there is now a copycat. case, Corey Walsh out of Illinois. And I. don't want to get into the details. As I. told you yesterday, she she hanged her. two-year-old, forgive me, a little boy, and he died. She had three other. children, a baby and two ch school-aged. children above, you know, him in age. And.

uh then she got into the bathtub, had. superficial wounds to her wrists and. thighs, nothing life-threatening, and. was found by the neighbor because the. the other the other children, obviously. the school-aged ones, had I didn't know. this yesterday, walked in on the crime. They either saw the mother killing their. little brother or they saw him hanging. I'm sorry to just be talking about this. in a way that feels casual. Um, these.

are the facts. And they ran to the. neighbors. The neighbor came over and the neighbor. found the mother in the bathtub with. bloody water. So, clearly she had cut. herself, but again, they're saying. non-life-threatening. I think the. mother's fine physically. And um it's an obvious copycat there. The the prosecutors alleged that she had. been extremely interested in the Lindsay. Clancy case and had been speaking about. it on a text thread with friends just. hours before this. She decided her.

2-year-old was the antichrist and the. devil and killed him. And reportedly now. when she came to or I don't know if she. was even passed out, but she the. prosecutors alleged that she also. believed she had killed her other three. children. Um, that was a new fact that. emerged as well. And the the defense lawyer, who by the. way was on the Casey Anthony defense. team, which disturbingly won that case,

as you know, Casey Anthony is free and. not in jail for murdering her her child, which she clearly did. Um, comes out and. um she has a couple of things to say to. us, including this about the Lindsay. Clansancy relations. S 18. They are not. correlated at all. It's just accidental. Um, and. >> I'll be the judge, not you. >> We We have to be conscious of what the. judge has told us we can talk about and. not talk about. Um, but that speculation.

that this has anything to do that it's a. copycat or anything like that is. baseless. and cruel. >> Cruel. I I'm not going to be taking any. lectures from you on cruel. Madam, you're the reason Casey Anthony is. running around free and you are. defending yet another mother who's. murdered her child. So, off. The we. will be the deci the we will be the. final say and arbiters on whether this.

had anything to do with Lindsay Clancy. And I for one am persuaded by her. extreme interest in the case as. expressed within hours of her doing this. that it did play a role. Call me crazy. That's where I am. She went on to play the psychosis card. because it's working so well for juries. out there. Uh especially in blue states. from Massachusetts to she hopes.

Illinois. Sat 16. As you probably know, the judge denied pre-trial uh release to. a locked situation in a hospital, which. is what we had hoped would happen given. her psychological condition and the. wounds that she is still recovering. from. We're disappointed with the ruling, but. we were going to continue to work really. hard to investigate this case and. present the defenses correct, which is.

that she was psychotic. and this is not a first-degree murder. Again, disagree. Um, here we go again. We're going to. start this whole thing all over again. where these nutcases are going to be. arguing that Corey Walsh isn't to be. held responsible for this crime because. she was psychotic. And now we learn she. also per NBC Chicago had drinks at home.

and a number of prescription bottles. Um, defense attorneys argued she was in. a state of psychosis when she attempted. to take her own life and when she made. statements to law enforcement and to. hospital staff. What? Like that her son. was the devil. The friends in the group. chat say that they noticed a shift in. her texts hours before her son's death. Prosecutors citing witnesses had. previously said that Walsh had quote. recently become very interested in the.

Lindsey Clansancy murder trial. Um, according to court documents, Walsh, quote, had been actively discussing the. case via group text message with her. friends up until just hours before the. tragic discovery was made inside her. home. But on Tuesday, defense attorneys. said those witnesses noted some unusual. behavior from Walsh hours before. Members of the group chat described her. messages as confusing and out of. character. They said she believed. Clancy's husband killed his children, Patrick Clancy. Uh, writing, quote, "It.

was manslaughter. Please help. I'm. really freaking out." The neighbor who. found Walsh also acknowledged she was. unlike herself, saying she had dilated. eyes with a weird giggle. A firefighter. and first responder told detectives she. was incoherent in the ambulance as well. Defense attorneys noted that Walsh Walsh. saw a counselor recently and had never. previously displayed any signs of abuse. toward the children. Here we go. Here we. go. They also said, according to. prosecutors,

uh that she made statements intending to. harm her husband. She said when he. arrived home, saying she would poison. him with a drink, noting that again, she. also believed she had killed her other. children as well. And yes, confirming. here in the court documents that two. other children who live in the home came. back from school, quote, saw the. situation unfolding and ran to a. neighbor for help. That is just so. awful. They they again, forgive me, the.

neighbor quickly pulled Barrett, the. 2-year-old, down. She had him in a noose and attempted. CPR, but he had no pulse. These two. other children saw that. Is anyone going. to account for the trauma to them? Anyone? And that this woman's lawyer is. lecturing us on cruelty. She's representing an expert in it. Here we go again. There were drugs.

there. Her pupils were dilated. She'd. been drinking. She sounded weird on the. text message. They're setting it up. again. Going to do it again. Um. her attorney says she was quote severely. mentally ill at the time of the. incident. Requires treatment. Told a. judge she was diagnosed with grief. psychotic disorder. According to the. National Library of Medicine, bereiement.

may lead to heterogeneous psychological. responses including prolonged grief. disorder, depression, and psychotic. experiences. just, you know, I'm sorry, but a certain. male gesture comes to mind. Just stop. Who died? I don't know who died. What's. What's the grief psychotic disorder she. has? Everything's a psychotic disorder. Just Just slap slap a postpartum. psychotic disorder. Grief psychotic. disorder. Pretty soon, we're going to. have Trump derangement psychotic. disorder. H how many ways can we find to.

get mothers out of jail for murdering. their children? Let's Let's find out. together. That's what these nutcases are. asking us to do. To accept this as a new. normal, a new phenomenon in which we're. supposed to have empathy and compassion. for the poor mothers who are the real. victims here. Stop it. Just stop it. These jurors are an absolute nightmare. who we saw in Lindseay Clancy. And God. only knows in Illinois in the Corey.

Walsh case, we're probably likely to. look at a panel just like that. At least. Illinois has a large farming community. You will find normies there. I I know. because I was born among them and I. tried a case not far from there when I. was a young lawyer. There are a lot of. normal farmers in the Midwest, including. in Illinois. And so there's at least a. shot. I don't know this suburb that she. is living in, but it's not far, I'm. told, outside of Chicago. Um, and unfortunately this woman, Andrea.

Lion, who represents uh her now, Corey. Walsh, is very, very good. She's been. dubbed the angel of death row because of. her record, this is per the New York. Post, of wins and death penalty cases. Uh, she was a former law is a former law. school dean and she was a member of. Casey Anony's legal team. As I. mentioned, she um she quit the team in. July of 2010 with Anony's lead attorney, Jose Bayas, citing financial issues, but. she's no joke. So, unfortunately,

this woman has lawyered up. Corey Walsh, I mean, she's got money. She's living in. a million-doll home. Do we have the. pictures of it, Deb? Like, this is a. woman with means quite clearly. And um she's probably got the best. lawyers money can buy. Look at this. It's a beautiful home. Stunning green lawn. Looks like could be. on an acre or more. And inside that home, a horror took.

place. Thank God for the schoolage. children who ran. Or this could have. been much, much worse. They said that. they found the baby upstairs on the. floor of one of the rooms just like left. there. So, thank God this did not follow the. exact pattern of the Lindsy Clansancy. trial where the children appear to be. running for their lives, at least. Dawson. And she caught them because she was. bigger and stronger and faster.

And she used all of that to kill him. This is a dark week, you guys. You know, I sent out a tweet earlier. today or yesterday, and I I just just I just was on with. Piers Morgan and he asked me about it, and I'm just going to read it because I. I don't know that I can repeat it. exactly without reading it. Um, but I. don't know, maybe you're feeling this. way, too. What I wrote was the.

combination of the Lindsey Clansancy. story, the one-year mark for Charlie's. murder, and the 25th for 9/11 is a lot. of darkness for one week. Hug your kids, go outside, hold hands, thank God for. the privilege of being alive, and say a. prayer for the lost and grieving. You can get mired in it. You know, you. can get mired in the darkness if you. spend too much time with it. And we've been thinking about it as we. outline our coverage for this week.

because there's no way we are ignoring. these nut cases in Lindsay Clancy or the. Corey Walsh case. None whatsoever. Or. you you're complicit. The Charlie anniversary one year mark is. tomorrow. I've been dreading it all. week. I. like I can't quite talk about it, but. Frank Turk will be here in our second. hour and we'll give it a shot there. We. try to discuss Charlie and Turning Point. and where we all are right now. Um, and.

I should tell you that we do have a. Charlie special put together. It was the. fourth episode of our tour documentary. and we posted it on members only today. and I said to my team, let's let's pull. that one and make it public. So, we're. going to air it tomorrow. Don't don't. want that behind any sort of a payw. wall. Uh, so you'll see it, but there's the Charlie one-year mark.

and then there's the 25th anniversary of. 911 on Friday the 25th. And I don't know. about you, but my timeline all over X is. disturbing videos, 911 calls, and. emergency responder calls and so on. And. it's important. It is very important. I. support it because the the younger. generation doesn't have any memory of. this and they they don't seem to. understand what went down that day. They. really don't. And so it's up to us, those of us who were and remember to. remind them they they need to This is.

what this would be like if our. generation moved right past Pearl Harbor. and stop talking about that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't just move past. it because the next gen wasn't there. when it happened. Th this. contemporaries. of ours died that day. If you don't know. somebody who died on 911, I you probably. know someone who knew someone or know. somebody who was there or know somebody. who was directly affected by it. You know, poor Shawn Newman was with a.

fire company in New York City that day. and wasn't supposed to be working. He. commandeered an emergency responder. truck to get down there, but his entire. fire company died. And there, by the grace of God, he would. have died, too. had he been on duty, he's had to live. with that and the aftermath of digging. out in ground zero. forever more. And he's got ongoing. health issues as a result of all of. that. I mean, there is just so many so.

many Americans who suffered that day and. thereafter. And we will not be ignoring. it. No. No. The answer is no. So, we'll. deal with the darkness and the grief and. the the feelings of melancholy and. suffering that it brings on. And then we. will turn the page as we always do. as Americans, as humans, right down to the microcosm of those who. work on the MK show. And we will find. some measure of light to shine because.

our world is not all darkness and. awfulness and murderous mothers and. others. It's it's it tends to be. wonderful human beings. It tends to be a. world guided by created by inspired by. Christ. And there are billions of human beings. right now trying to live in his model. with his guidance with him as their. guiding light. One of the reasons again. we have Frank on today. But there's. plenty of cause for hope. And it's in.

the second part of that tweet. Are your. kids starting school right now? Mine. are. You see them in their little. uniforms or with their backpacks. They. come home with the energy of a new day. New friends, new teachers, the funny. stories, the good, the bad, the other, the the blureyed mornings where. everybody's getting used to that alarm. clock again. you know, the scarfing down of the. breakfast as you run out to make it on. time and all the fun things that happen, you know, around it, like the, you know,

getting lost in in your school and. getting closer to graduation depending. on the kid. All of that is part of the. spice of life. It's such a privilege if you have kids. in your home. Again, it's why Michelle. Obama's a sociopath. I don't miss them. at all. I'm glad they're gone. You know, it's all about me. I think most normal. humans really enjoy their children. [laughter] Not not necessarily like 100%. of the time that we're we're all normal, but like we love having them at home.

And if you don't have kids, and I know I. have audience members who don't have. kids because I I hear from them. They. write to me and I I write back. sometimes. And that's fine, too. I know. I know that there are people listening. right now who don't have kids but have. family members who they love their. families of origin who have pets they. freaking adore who make life work living. worth living who depend on them for. their existence. and don't underestimate the power of. that you know the animal kingdom is such. a wonder and they are such wonderful.

pets and additions to our lives even. Strudwick. [laughter]. and there's a lot of blessings that you. can find in your own life if you pause. and look for them. So, try not to get. too mired in it. Try not to get too. mired in the darkness. It, you know, it's just it's it's too depressing and. you don't need to do it. You don't need. to live your life like that. Um, I do. want to tell you about a couple of other. things that have happened. There's the. most fascinating Elizabeth Holmes clip.

on the internet. Now, this woman, you. know, what she did at Theronos is such a. great story. I mean, it's just I mean, it's horrifying, of course, but like the. fraud that was committed is jaw-dropping. and riveting. And she apparently in the. 3 months before she went off to prison, allowed herself to be filmed by this. documentary filmmaker. And he has just. released the promo of his film with her. He's pretty well known, this guy, and.

he's working with another guy who just. made the film on um Chris Hansen. remember Chris Chris Hansen of To Catch. a Predator was on the show. We talked. about how they were making a movie about. him uh starring Robert Robert Patson. So, this other guy, the other filmmaker, Oppenheim, um produced that. But anyway, these two get access to Elizabeth Holmes. and the one lived with her for the two. to three months before she went off to. prison. And look at the tease. Look at. the preview, the trailer. Watch. >> I'm not that person. I can promise you. that.

I [music] don't have anything to deceive. you on. Of course, I'm not deceiving. you. I'm engaging with you as a human. being. Why would I deceive you? >> There's no. there's no reason for me to do that. [music]. Okay. All right. Okay. Good shot.

You're being real right now. >> I'm always being real. >> Wow. [music]. It's called You Can See Everything. It. premiered at the Telluride Film Festival.

in Colorado and apparently it is. jaw-dropping. I can't wait to see this. They're. releasing it in theaters but not until. October which seems like too far away. Vanity Fair wrote up what was in the. movie. I'm not going to give it. They. don't give spoilers and I'm not going to. either because I don't know any. But. listen to this tease. The 174minute. documentary was indeed worth the wait. It's full of unexpected twists and turns.

and shocking reveals with Nathan. Fielder, that's the guy you just saw. there, uh, and Oppenheim having. incredible access to homes and her. husband Billy Evans in the weeks leading. up to her prison sentence. Um, they it. says, uh, let's see, raising their two. children in San Diego, blah, blah, blah. Fielder lived at home with them. It. takes After Holmes begins her sentence, the documentary continues, but takes an. extremely unexpected twist that involves. the appearance of a notable Hollywood. actress. The audience was asked by the.

producers to not reveal the person who. appears in the dock because of the. overwhelming shock of that twist. I. can't wait to find out what it is. I. don't want to Google it. I want it to be. a surprise. From there, the documentary. offers many surprising revelations, especially when it pertains to Holmes's. husband, whom she married in 2019. Fielder discovers that Evans seems to be. very involved in or perhaps even. controlling over many aspects of. Holmes's image, including her Twitter. But apparently there's more to that. story. I am riveted. I'm all in. I want.

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happened with Wheel of Fortune. Have you. seen this story? I mean, this is crazy. So, Wheel of Fortune has an announcer. had an announcer named Jim Thornton. And. you know, he's the guy who does like and. you get a trip to Tahiti when you hit. the right thing on the wheel. And he. like two weeks ago was unceremoniously. suspended from the show without. explanation. They said it was because of. something that happened on a flight, but. they didn't tell us what it was, but it.

seemed clear he was out of a job. So, we're all waiting. And they said that. the police were waiting for him when the. flight landed. So my own bet was like, did he fill somebody up? Did he like. what was it? Something sexual related? Well, last week it comes out what it. was. He was allegedly. looking at child sexual abuse material, in particular, like a an online chat. forum about child sexual abuse on the.

plane while wearing a Wheel of Fortune. jacket. And the person next to him, #hero, took a picture and told the pilot, which. is like amazing. God bless that person. I don't know if it was a male or a. female, but that was very ballsy, right? To like, can you imagine like sneaking. your phone up like, "Oh my god." Taking. the picture so you have the evidence and. then also telling the pilots so that the. authorities could be waiting when the. plane landed.

Now, the police have not yet arrested. him, so I'm not sure what's happening. there. and his lawyer is denying the. specifics of the charges in particular. that he was looking at child sexual. abuse material. The lawyer has what to. me sounds like a cockami. defense suggesting uh his lawyer is. Allison Hart told TMZ that the actor. clicked on the site by mistake.

by mistake. She said that he had become. active in suicide prevention advocacy. and that he spent time visiting chat. rooms offering support to individuals. suffering from suicidal ideiation. Uh. that he often viewed visited a suicide. prevention website. whatever that was supposed to before. that and that he claims he was sent a. link to a different chat room by an. acquaintance from the suicide prevention.

group. this site is intended for people. experiencing pedophilic thoughts. He. claims he thought he claims that he left. the chat room after realizing what it. was and that he did not engage in any. illegal conduct and again he was not. arrested. But the images published by. the Daily Mail, which broke this story, are shocking and do appear to have um. some some images that are rather.

disturbing. Okay, it's got Hold on. Do I. have it in front of me? I'm trying to. find my uh the the packet from. yesterday. Can you find that, Kayla? I. think I might. You might have that. Um. but in any event, they it goes line by. line. She's got the actual chat screen. grabbed and it goes line by line and and. in one of the lines the the user who we. are told is this guy Thornton is saying. that he's on an airplane. Can you. believe I'm in an airplane and in a chat.

room like this and somebody's oh just. don't be like the guy who got caught. showing child sexual abuse material on. his phone as his screen saver when he. was exiting the London tube. like, "Oh, yeah, that would be wouldn't that be. terrible? Do you have it? Thank you.". Okay, so I had my team pull the actual. screen grabs that the Daily Mail. published. And they report um Okay, it. looks like he was going under the user. Nicholas B77. This hasn't yet been. confirmed by the Daily Mail or others.

It just looks like it's him. If you tie. the circumstances together, um you see. those messages in the send part of the. chat. though it looks like this is the. person whose screen we are spying on. Um, in this one, Nicholas B77 writes, "Saw a couple of cute boys and a hot. little girl at um some venue he had just. gone to and then writes the word boy. fest." Uh, in another one you see him.

writing, "Well, it's crazy lifeline from. the sky. What if someone sees a random. sequence of lines on a screen?" I love. it because somebody wrote writes to him. like, "What are you doing? What, you. know, like it's very bold to be writing. this on a plane.". Um, and he seems to be all for it. Okay, let me keep going. He writes, "I hide. the part that says, we think when I say. he, Nicholas B77, who we think is him. I. hide the part that says lifeline." So, it's just a few lines. It's a big middle. finger to the man who takes away every.

other enjoyable activity. We see L's. And then I can't see the rest of the. sentence. I don't know what CL stands. for, but certainly could be something. like child lover. I don't know. Forgive. me. I'm filling in the blanks. Then he. writes or Nicholas B77 writes, I fire up. the boy moment and start looking at the. galleries. He he. And somebody else. wrote, just don't be the guy that got. arrested getting off the two because he. had child porn as his phone wallpaper.

Red CP, which I think is child porn. Um, and then there's a response. I mean, truly, the fact that I don't do any of. that stuff makes me say, "Fuck it. Free. speech, baby." And then I remember there. was a guy on the plane who was actually. looking at CP on his laptop on the. flight. Yeah, he didn't fair so well. either. Someone else wrote, "How are. people so addicted? They can't go a few. hours without looking at something. illegal." Then a response is probably. more common than we like to pretend. I. mean, all kinds of people get addicted. to porn, although they expect us not to. look at it. There's no help if we wanted. it. Then there is um Nicholas B77.

writing saunters to the bathroom for a. quick wank on a 737. Quote, "I wonder if. you were really horny how fast you could. jack off in flight. Bet it's happened. under a lot of blankets.". Uh Nicholas B77. writes, "Well, somebody writes, "Well, you're on a plane, right? What if. someone sees?" And Nicholas B77 writes, "Yes, exactly. What if someone sees a. random sequence of lines on a screen? I. love it." And then that's where he says, "Uh, I hide the part that says. lifeline." So, it's just a few lines.

Ba, wait till I fire up boy moment and start. looking at the galleries. He he. Um, somebody writes, "Don't be that guy who. got arrested going off the tube because. he had CP as his phone wallpaper.". Nicholas B77 responds, "Yeah, right. I. mean, truly, the fact that I don't do. any of that stuff makes me say it, free speech, baby." On the tube, someone. asks. Maybe on a personal desktop, but. on the tube. Nicholas B77. Wow. That. takes a little balls. Uh, then Nicholas. B77 writes, "I remember there was a guy.

on a plane who was actually looking at. CP on his laptop on the flight." Yeah, he didn't fare so well either. Nicholas. B77 writes, "Man arrested for CP on the. tube." Sending the the tweet out. Nicholas B77 writes, "Yeah." Oh, somebody writes, "I how are people so. addicted they can't go a few hours. without looking at somebody illegal?". Somebody writes, "I know. I know my porn. habits aren't great, but damn." Nicholas. B77 writes, "Yeah, can you imagine? But. it's probably more common than we like. to pretend. I mean, all kinds of people. get addicted to porn. Somebody writes, "But it'll ruin your life." Porn though,

Nicholas B77, "And although they expect. us not to look at it, there's no help if. we wanted it." And on and on it goes. from there. Then there's one Nicholas. B77 with the sauntering to the bathroom. What he allegedly did there. I mean, this is like deeply disturbing stuff. You can see why Wheel of Fortune, America's, you know, family program, turfed this guy. It doesn't look like. he's in here by accident. If he is. Nicholas B77, he's actively. participating and writing things about.

hot young girls. This is very, very. dark. So, I genuinely hope it's not. true. I don't know why the police didn't. arrest him if it is true. Um, one of the. messages that's on the computer screen. talks about an all you can eat boy Fay. Um, this is all very very dark and it is. a reminder if if this is true about him. that these child predators are lurking. everywhere. Everywhere. You can't assume.

that just because somebody's a nice guy. or associated with a product you like, etc. that they're squeaky clean. And. this is just a good reminder for. parents. Do not leave your minor child. alone with any stranger. Ever. Ever. I. mean, you have to be extremely vigilant. as a parent. And I know it's dark, but you know, this. is why some parents don't let their kids. go on sleepovers because they don't know.

who's going to be there. We we were. never quite that radical. uh we get to. know our kids friends parents and. there's you develop a level of trust but. I understand the instinct it's very very. scary okay moving on I have a word to. say about the US Open um first of all. congratulations to Blake Shelton in an. epic mass mass match against Carlos. Alcarez last night went 5 hours it ended. at 3:33 in the morning people who were. there were asking we had a friend who.

said I'm I'm waiting for them to start. serving breakfast the US Open so far has. been really entertaining have to say. And um that match between Thafo and the. young guy Mikkelson. um who is only 22 years old. Mikkelson. um who was unranked and Tafo I think is. number nine in the world who was beating. Thafo. Tafo's down I think two zero. It. was crazy. this this you know relative. no-name unranked at 22 years old comes.

on the scene and was beating him and it. was a match to the finish. I mean five. sets could have gone either way and in. the moment when Tafo did win. the poor kid they had their you know. sort of greeting at the net and he broke. down in tears. 22 is young, you know, in. the grand scheme, and I'm sure the. emotions were overwhelming. And the two. of them shared a an emotional hug at.

Center Court that was really moving, and. I've got to hand it to the announcers. Um the one guy said. sports you know let's watch. >> game matcho. a comeback. >> that is extra special for Francis Tho.

>> [cheering]. [applause]. [applause]. >> And it's a big brother moment. Nicholson. in tears in Francis's arms. Sports, man. I love that sports, man. It was such a.

great moment. Such a feel-good moment, you know, like Thafo, who has a great. backstory of his own. He manages to pull. it out and he's about to celebrate and. then he remembers he should go to the. center court and have a moment with his. competitor. And clearly that competitor. needed him. He looked up to Thafo, we. were told by the sports reporters, and. of course he did. I mean, Thafo is like. very well known. He's been in the sport. in a long time. And um clearly was.

overcome with emotion. I tennis is like. my whole family plays tennis. I don't. play tennis, but it really is. It's two. gladiators going at it against each. other. There's no other teammate to. blame. There is no place to hide. It is. just the two of you on that court. you. know, win, lose or draw. And. you your fortunes rise and fall so. quickly. You know, the emotional swings. are huge. It builds so much character.

This is one of the things I see in my. own kids being out there fighting for it. against all odds and at times losing, you know, in sometimes in humiliating. fashion builds character. Winning, trying to be a gentleman or, you know, a. lady in the case [snorts] builds. character. But that poor guy that I mean. he has nothing to hang his head over. this Mickelson. He was I think going to. the University of Georgia to play tennis. there and then decided to try his hand. at the pro circuit and what a run it's.

been. He's been doing amazing. and almost beat Thafo to move on to the. semis and uh couldn't quite hold it. together which I thought was very sweet. and an emotional moment that really. moved me. So good for both of those. guys. will be rooting for them both. though. Um. I don't think I don't think Tafa was. favored to get into the the final. against Blake Shelton. Um here's Ben. Shelton, not Blake. Ben um here's one.

other thing I wanted to mention. Naomi. Osaka. All right. She and I have gone. round and round. Couple years ago, she. chastised a reporter for having the. nerve to ask her about the fact that she. doesn't perform as well on Clay. She had. some meltdown on him like he was doing. something inappropriate. Then she said. she wasn't going to do press anymore. She doesn't want to do the press because. she's sick and tired of being asked. about things that aren't good for her, things that, you know, bring down the. room. Well, that's sorry, but that's. they're there on behalf of us. The. reporters are in the room to ask.

questions that their news organizations. think the general public might have some. interest in. And why you don't perform. as well on clay as you're going to the. French Open would be a relevant. question. But unlike all the other. players, she refused to engage. She had. a meltdown that she said it was about. her mental health and she shouldn't have. to answer the questions. Every other. player has mental health, too. They have. to worry about it. They have to manage. it. They It goes up, it goes down. They. They're under tense circumstances. They. get asked annoying questions. They do. it. They do it because it's part of the.

price of admission. The access by the. fans to the players generates interest. and puts butts in the seats at the. stadiums, which generates ticket sales, which is what pays you the big prize. money when you win. And when you win, you get endorsement deals, and you. become a multi-millionaire like Naomi. Osaka has. And then you repay it by. giving a few questions to what can be. sometimes annoying questions, I'm sure. Um, a few answers to those. and you deal.

with your very pesky public. Instead, she through her agent called this one. reporter for I think it was the. Cincinnati Inquirer a bully simply. because he said, "How do you balance the. two things? You want sort of privacy on. these press conferences, but you work. with the press and you use the press to. build your brand." It was a very gentle. question. She she later through her. agent called him a bully. This guy. probably makes $60,000 a year. You can.

add two or three zeros to that for what. Naomi Osaka has made. She plays for. Japan, by the way, not us. Um, so she. now comes out. All right. So, she hasn't. been a good sport since then. Just last. summer, we played video of her. Um, she. pulled out of the French Open after she. refused to do those interviews. She. wanted us to know she has anxiety and. depression. I mean, welcome to the club. A lot of people do and they still do. their jobs. Um, then the following June, she skipped out on Wimbledon. Okay, but. let's flash for flash flash forward to.

last August of 2025 where she was at the. National Bank Open in Montreal. She was. fighting against a gal from Canada, uh, Victoria Embokco, and Victoria beat her. It was an upset and it was surprising. And this gal looked up to Naomi and. Naomi didn't congratulate her after the. losing match. remember this. [applause].

>> Thanks. I guess um I don't really want. to take up too much time, so I'll just. say thank you to everyone. Um thank you. to my team, thank you to the ball kids, thank you to the organizers, um and all. the volunteers. And I hope you guys had. a good night. [applause]. >> JV, >> not a word about her opponent, not a.

congratulatory word, nothing. Nothing. Even Koko Goff's former coach Brad. Gilbert acknowledged it and laid into. her saying, "Look, she may s suffer with. uh social anxiety, but gosh, congratulate your opponent, especially. one that looked up to you." Um, so this. this is not somebody who's handled her. time in the spotlight well. I believe if. memory serves, she later came out and. said, "Oh, sorry. I forgot to thank. her." Um, so now we get to this year's open.

Her thing this year is to walk out onto. the tennis court. And by the way, notwithstanding how she she really. doesn't want to deal with the press. during the Black Lives Matter protest of. 2020. Oh, she was all about BLM. She. made that very clear on the tennis court. and off. So, she's fine using the media. for that messaging, but when we have to. talk about why she's not a great clay. player, it's intrusive and bullying. Um, so now we get to this year's US Open and. she's had a comeback after having a. child. Good for her. Applaud it. Respect. it. Um, and she's decided that she is an.

Anna Winter protetéé. Look at her. walking out um in the round one entrance. wearing who decides war. That's the name. of the designer in this match here. Watch this. This is on August 31st, South 36. [cheering]. >> And from Japan, former world number one, >> she's got her sour puss with what looks. like a bride of Frankenstein wedding.

dress on. [cheering]. She looks like someone ran over her cat, but she's in what she considers to be. high fashion. >> It's a tennis game. Madam. >> New York. >> New York. This one she chose. >> She's now on the middle of the court. bouncing, holding her racket. The other. player looks like an athlete. >> having to deal with this nonsense.

[music] Exhibitionism. I thought we struggle with social. anxiety. I thought we couldn't deal with. cameras or attention because of this. woman. They had to create some special. like anxiety room at all the Grand Slams. where the tournament players could go. and like be along with their alone with. their shrinks. This is okay. But now. we're going to be a fashionista. All right. Now suddenly we're Linda. Linda Evangelista. Naomi Campbell. Uh I don't know. Then.

here she is. Look at this. Rounds two, three, and four. And she did it again on. all of them. Stop 37. >> and today returns as a fourtime major. champion. >> from Japan, Naomi Osaka. >> Naomi Osaka. Each one is more ridiculous than two. time US Open champion [cheering].

Naomi Osaka. Well, and guess what happened? She lost. because eventually she came up against. the world's number two player who was. focused on tennis instead of herself. and she was beaten roundly. It was it. was a decisive victory and she's now out. of the US Open. So I am just curious.

about whether we are now at a place. where we're allowed to comment on Naomi. Osaka again. Is she courting the press. again? because when she said she wasn't, she was on four magazine covers and um. when some of us remarked on it, she. snapped back saying, "I did those before. before I spoke out against media. coverage." But I I sense that she wants. attention again. So, I'm willing to give.

it to her. And I want her to know that I. think just based on what I've seen from. other pro tennis players, the best thing. to do when performing at a Grand Slam. tournament is to focus on the tennis, to dress like a professional tennis. player and to focus on one's game. because you were a disaster in that last. match that you lost. You looked like an. amateur, especially in that first set. And it was no surprise to any of us. watching that you failed to make it. you.

failed to advance. Um, so goodbye Naomi. Good luck to you. Um, I really hope. you're working out your issues and that. you've moved beyond the petty behavior. we saw from you last year and the year. before that and the one before that and. one before that. Um, anyway, go team. America. That's who I'm rooting for. Uh, we do still have some players out there. and it's going to be [music] fun to. watch the remaining matches. We got to. bring in Frank Turk. We're going to do. that right after this break. Don't go.

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ago tomorrow and came on this program. later to talk about his experience and. I'm honored to say since then he and I. have become friends, too. He's back. today to honor Charlie's legacy and talk. about his new book which is called The. War on Reality: Recovering Truth in a. World That Celebrates Lies. And it's out. this week. Frank, great to see you. Welcome back to the show. >> Megan, it's always great seeing you and. being back to talk about a tough issue. It's been a long year on one hand and.

then on the other hand, I look at it and. I go, I can't believe it's been a year. I don't know. You kind of feel the same. way, I think, don't you? It's crazy. >> Yeah. But very much very much so. But. unlike you, I wasn't there. I wasn't at. Utah Valley University. And I've been. thinking about that so much for you, Frank, and for others too, Mikey, and. others who were on site that the trauma. was at least twofold because you lost. Charlie. I guess three-fold. You saw. Charlie die and you yourself were.

exposed to a very dangerous traumatic. situation. So, how how have you wrestled. with that over these past 12 months? >> Well, the first person I think of when I. wake up in the morning is Charlie, and. the last person I think about before I. go to bed is Charlie. And I'm thinking. about Charlie a lot during the day, as. you can imagine, Megan. And people call. this PTSD, but I I think that's a. misnomer. It's not. There's no disorder. I mean, that's normal. That's who I. ought to be thinking about because I.

I've never seen anything like that, Megan. I've never seen anybody. I was in. the Navy and I never saw anybody shot. Uh but to see your friend murdered right. in front of you and to see the fact that. he was gone the second the bullet hit. him. I mean when we had him in the car, Megan, he wasn't looking at me. He was. looking right past me into eternity. His. eyes were fixed. That's the only good. news we got that day that he didn't. suffer at all. And uh but I think the. way around it I I've had a lot of people. say they're praying for me and you know.

praying for everybody involved. I think. that has helped. But the second thing I. think that's really important there's a. passage that the Apostle Paul who by the. way was beaten and whipped so many times. himself and experienced hardships and. shipwrecks and everything trying to sort. of do what Charlie was doing going out. and telling people about the truth of. Christianity. the truth that Jesus rose. from the dead and by trusting in him you. can be forgiven and given his. righteousness. Um the apostle Paul says. in in his second letter to the. Corinthians that God comforts us so we.

can comfort other people and whenever I. start feeling bad I just think of Erica. and I try and do whatever I can to help. Erica because this has been such a. brutal year for her. not just. personally, obviously the tragedy, but. there's been so much slander thrown. about about her that none of it is true. She is such an amazing woman. Um, Megan, that I I I texted her the other day and. I said to her, I said, "Erica, if the.

roles were reversed, if you were the one. who had been murdered, I don't really. think Charlie would have done as well. over the first year as you have because. she has never lashed out. She's always. been full of grace and truth. She's. always been concerned about her family. and concerned about the Lord and. concerned about keeping TPUSA on. Charlie's legacy track that he had it. on. Um, she hasn't been distracted and I. think she really has the Holy Spirit.

She is directed by God and and she's. yielded to that. She's taken so much abuse, Frank, and. it's been, you know, part of it. I mean, I think a large part of it is people are. frustrated. She's not Charlie. >> You know, there's a there's like an. anger outside of whatever. We've got the. conspiracy theories and all that. I I. really have no time for them. I think. it's despicable. But the there's been.

like a a little cottage industry that's. popped up of detractors of Erica's. Yes. >> And my own take on it is. >> there's a frustration. She's not. Charlie. >> She she stepped into Charlie's role. She. did that to save his organization that. he built from the time he was 19. She. felt she had to do it. I think there was. a strong case that she was right. But. there's, you know, whoever took over. that role was going to suffer from not. being Charlie. And the fact that it's.

Erica who's this beautiful, you know, faithbased woman who, you know, people. have strong opinions about, she's got. strong thoughts. She's obviously. political, which also makes her a. target. Um, has just brought out this. visceral reaction in some. And in my own. reaction to it has been twofold. Number. one, I desperately want Erica to not be. the CEO of Turning Point just because I. I just want to save her from this. It's. not that she hasn't done a great job. It's just I just want to say like if I. feel like if she would just stop that a. lot of this would go away and I I would.

like to see her spared it and you can't. stop people on the internet from saying. what they're going to say. >> But my second thought on it, Frank, is. that. >> with every attack that's launched on. her, she becomes a greater superhero. >> because she she doesn't bow to it. No. >> You know, she. >> she's kept going. She just with her head. held high, mothering her children, trying to run the organization, doing. what she can at the public events they. have. And with every step forward, she. develops another superhero muscle. because she she hasn't fallen in the.

face of these attacks. >> Can I read something that she wrote in. the new book? Um, she wrote she wrote. the forward to it and I just want to. read three sentences that when I read. these, I went, "This woman is. exceptional." Here's what uh here's what. she said. This is right in the middle. And by the way, you don't need to buy. the book to read the forward. If you. just go to Amazon, look for the war on. reality and click on editorial comments, we put the whole forward uh on that. website. Here's what she says. Since.

September 10th, 2025, I have been faced. with my own new reality, one that I. still wrestle with as I attempt to grasp. its earthly permanence. Quite honestly, it'll probably be like that for the rest. of my life. Yet, what I've realized is. that redefining my reality isn't what. gives me peace. Surrendering to it does. Surrendering to it does. She just summed. up the entire book. 400page book. She.

sums it up in one sentence. I'm like, we. didn't even need to write the book. Erica came along and wrote the full. word. [laughter]. >> This could have been a tweet. >> That's right. That's right, Megan. I. mean, she's so insightful. There's many. other insights right there in that two. and a half page forward uh that I said. this woman understands she's moving. forward. You know there's a philosopher. by the name of Peter KF who uh just uh a. number of years ago wrote a a book on.

suffering and I'm paraphrasing what he. said in here but his this is what what. his insight was about suffering taking. it from the totality of scripture. He. said that this life is not about. fulfillment. It's not about happiness. It's not about security. He said the. purpose of this life is training. He. said this world makes a lousy home, but.

it makes a wonderful gymnasium. And I went, >> "Wow." Because as you just pointed out, she becomes more and more of a. superhero. The more difficulty that she. goes through scripturally, this is when. you go through difficulty, you become. more and more like Jesus if you choose. to be to be conformed to the image of. his son. That's from Romans chapter 8, Paul's letter to the Romans. And that's. what's happening. In fact, you know how. she ends this? She ends this whole.

forward in here, Megan, with this. phrase. She says, I'm just going to read. the last couple sentences. Although my. husband is now absent from this world, but present with the Lord he loved, he. lived his life in such an inspiring way, knowing that his faith rested on the. confidence that reality belonged to no. one and nothing else but God. And I pray. you can find freedom in that as well. Count it all joy, Erica Kirk. Count it. all joy. She's quoting from the apostle.

James who by the way himself was martyed. for his faith in Jesus because in the. first chapter of his book that he wrote. he says count it all joy when you fall. into various trials because uh the. testing of your faith produces patience. In other words, she's saying that going. through all this suffering, I'm going to. count it joy because I know it's going. to make me better and more like Jesus in. the long term. >> Yes. I I I believe she means that. because she's shown a very high ability.

to withstand bullying. Yes. You know, I. mean, she she has and um. >> I don't I don't it's not exactly what. she signed up for. You know, she wanted. to marry Charlie. She loved Charlie. She. wanted to be a mom. She wanted to be a a. good wife. She was both of those things. And she was thrust in the national. spotlight, not by her own desire. You. know, that's the thing. People treat her. like she was some sort of fame seeker. She wasn't. She wasn't at all. This. happened to her and she's been managing.

it as best as she can with the support. of a lot of people who love her. Megan, the the. >> No, I was just going to say a lot of. people don't realize that Erica was a. CEO of two companies before she ever met. Charlie. >> I mean, she had her own clothing line. I. think she still does. She had her own. Bible 365. business uh which is really a ministry. not a business but she was the head of. it to read through the Bible in a year. Um Charlie did not marry her just for.

her beauty. I mean she is. >> Oh yeah. No he knew what he had. >> She is Charlie was exceptional. He. married an exceptional woman. I mean, >> and he knew he knew he knew even when he. was alive and and you know, thinking. that they would grow old together that. he had a wife who who could represent. his organization as he would want. God. forbid anything ever happened to him. He. understood that Erica had those gifts. even though they were being used in.

different ways. But he I want to get. back to you because she writes in in the. book something that wasn't surprising in. the forward about you that the following. quote I'll never forget the moment. several years ago. This is January 2020. she's referring to when Charlie told me. he had reached out to Frank Turk via. email. He was so excited but realistic. in his expectations. Quote I'm not sure. if he'll respond but it's worth a try. I. hugged him and said I'm so glad you did. If it's God, if it's God's will, he'll.

respond. If not, at least you tried. Sure enough, Frank responded, and our. friendship grew from there. He was so. thrilled to have you in his life, Frank. But unlike most of us, unlike 99% of the. world, Charlie reached out to the people. he admired and tried to have. relationships with them. And you didn't. know him from Adam in the beginning, but. you two would become like family. >> Yeah. He was like a son to me. I was. twice his age, Megan, and he wanted me.

to mentor him in what we call Christian. apologetics, evidence for the faith that. God exists, that Jesus rose from the. dead, that the Bible's telling the. truth. And you know, it can be hard to. mentor someone smarter than you. But not. with Charlie, because the only thing. that exceeded his intellect was his. humility. And I can say honestly, Megan, I learned more from him than he learned. from me. And by the way, you were one of. the mentors in his life, too. He had so. many mentors. In fact, I may have. mentioned this to you before, but your. audience may not have heard this.

Probably a couple months before he was. murdered, we went on one of our walks, and he said to me, cuz we'd walk at. night after he put the kids down, and he. said to me, "Hey, I got to I got we got. to go quickly because I got to get back. I got to get to bed because I'm on. Megan's show tomorrow." And I looked at. him and I said, "Charlie, if there's any. person in the world I would rather not. to debate on a legal issue, it's Megan. Kelly." And he looked at me and he said, "Totally." [laughter] Right? So, he.

relied on you, Megan. He really did. because you, as I've told you before, I'm not just saying this, you are the. clearest legal mind on the internet. Like when I when I want to know like, you know, the Clancy thing or the or the. even the Tyler Robinson thing, like. what's what procedurally is going on, what's happening, I tune in to you. because I you just cut right through it. and you get right to the point. That's a. great gift that you have, >> Frank.

You're you're so nice to compliment me. You're you are the one who I've been. turning to this year as I've as I delve. into for the first time Christian. apologetics as I've been looking for. something to hold on to in the wake of. Charlie's death as I deal I'm past it. now but as I was dealing with what I. felt was anger toward God. [clears throat]. >> and I remember asking Erica about. >> if whether she was angry whether she. felt angry with God. >> after Charlie's death and her response.

was the enemy would love for me to be. angry. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh my god, that's so good. And she but. she so she's she was e even then able to. master her emotion, you know, and accept. this is real. This is my reality and how. I respond is up to me, which was. actually a very strong and insightful. way to deal with it. It's and it's kind. of one of the themes of your book like. the reality is reality. There's no your.

reality. There's no my reality. There's. only reality and the rest of us are. going to have to deal with that. >> Um although there is a war on it. >> Yes. And reality is undefeated. I mean. you can deny reality, you can fight. against it, but ultimately reality is. going to win. And so what we try and do. in the book, and by the way, this book. was being written nine months before. Charlie was murdered. It was really. having nothing to do with Charlie. But. when he was murdered, Megan, both my my. co-author and I, Phoenix Hayes, who's a.

brilliant writer by the way, very witty, uh she said, and I said, we both agreed. this has book has to be dedicated to. Charlie because Charlie was fighting for. reality while many people were fighting. against reality. So the book is. dedicated to him. The first chapter is. called Murder on Campus. It tells what. happened up to that day because Charlie. and I were with one another for the. three days prior to the to the murder. what happened that day and then what has. happened since. And then we get into so. many other issues related to the denial.

of reality, whether it's that men can. have babies or there are an infinite. number of genders or that there is no. truth. That just when people say that, Megan, I always say, "Is that true? Is. it true there's no truth?" I mean, it's. just crazy. >> I love that. >> And [laughter] I mean there's it. >> it's how you deal with the atheist. >> Yes. Yes. It's so self-contradictory. The war on reality is. self-contradictory. I mean, some of. these people are saying that, you know, reason is a tool of oppression as they. try and reason us to that conclusion. You know, me Megan, it's it's it's.

bizarre and it's gone completely away. from the Bible and completely away from. Martin Luther King who said, "Let's not. judge people on the color of their skin, but the content of their character.". Now, we're judging people according to. cultural Marxism based on what. particular identity groups they're in. You know, if you're a white heterosexual. Christian male who's a citizen of the. United States, you're automatically. considered an oppressor. And guess what? Charlie Kirk had all of those qualities. That's why. >> Yes. Yes.

>> Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> No, I was going to say it's one of the. reasons why we're seeing these just. demonic people out there even this week. celebrating the one-year mark of his. assassination. a father, a a a husband, a a business leader that celebrating it. still, even with a year to reflect and. understand and do a little searching on. the internet to figure out who he was, they don't care. He already started with. an L because of those things you just. listen. >> Yes. Yes. And on on the by contrast, if. you're on the other side, if you're a.

person of color, if you're LGBTQ, if. you're a non-citizen, uh you're automatically considered, and. bonus points, by the way, if you're an. illegal immigrant, you're automatically. considered oppressed. So, you should be. heard and uh the so-called oppressor. group should not be heard. And it got to. the point where it seems like Tyler. Robinson was so radicalized that he. thought that Charlie was a fascist that. needed to be murdered because Megan, we. all know a typical fascist tactic, as.

Mussolini taught us, was hand your. opponent the microphone and let him make. his case while you quietly listen and. then you have a discussion. No, the guy. that shot him is a fascist. It's not. Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was a. Christian man who wanted to bring the. truth to people and he was willing to. put himself in harm's way to do so. Um. thankfully all they were able to do is. change his address. The rest of us. >> have to move on and keep moving forward.

And that's why good logical thinking. that you provide here on this program is. so important because in the book we talk. about the illogic of of of what so many. on the left are engaged in. I mean from. self-contradictory statements like there. is no truth to saying that um if you. have certain qualities you're an. oppressor and if not you're oppressed. and claiming that there is no God but. then they claim they have rights. Well. there are no rights if there is no God.

Everything's just a matter of opinion. It's just your opinion against somebody. else's opinion. And so what we're trying. to. >> Well, that that's what I was gonna ask. you. How how much of this what we're. seeing this war on reality is is the. result of people pushing faith out of. their lives, religion out of the public. square, references to God must be. snuffed out, etc. How much is rooted in. that? I think a lot of it is because uh. the apostle Paul wrote in again his. letter to the Romans chapter 1 that when. you suppress the truth long enough, God.

will give you over to a depraved mind to. the point where you're not only doing. evil yourself, you're cheering on other. people who are doing evil. Megan, what. what do we have three weeks ago? The. governor of Massachusetts signed the. bill where you could actually execute. your child up to the moment of birth. >> And they're applauding this. They're. applauding it. And everybody knows, OBGYNS, all doctors know that if there's. a problem in the third trimester of. pregnancy, if you have to take the baby,

you don't have to kill the baby. You can. do a C-section, save the baby, and then. give health care to the mother. There is. never a reason in the third trimester to. have a baby die in order to save a. mother. And yet, that's what the law was. that they passed. It's a sacrament to. them. In fact, think about it this way. Um, the Lord said in John chapter 6, "This is my body." Do you He's talking. about the Eucharist.

That is the same terminology the. proabortion side uses. This is my body. They're actually. >> God, you're right. >> They're actually mocking it like it's a. sacrament to them. I I I mean this when. when when when you suppress your. conscience, when you suppress the truth. long enough, you're given over to a. depraved mind because God pulls back. He. says, "I know you don't want me, so I'm. going to pull back." And then you have. so so much of these evil acts that have.

been committed, whether it's the murder. of Charlie or the murder at the murders. of the kids at the Annunciation School. in Minneapolis or I mean or the Clancy. murders. I mean, >> yes, >> it they're hearing voices. Megan, this. is demonic activity. I'm sorry. It just. is. It's demonic activity. >> That's what I wanted to talk about. Can. you please expand on that? >> Yes. Jesus and the apostles called Satan. a murderer, liar, accuser, and slanderer. who seeks to steal, kill, and destroy. Well, let's just take Charlie's. situation. We had a murder one year ago.

What have we had since then? We've had. lies, accusations, and slander seeking. to steal, kill, and destroy. And people. don't believe in the demonic. I'm going, "How could it be more obvious? This is. exactly what's going on. They're running. down a widow. A widow who has two. fatherless children now. And they don't. have facts. All they have is. speculation. They don't have evidence. I. mean, look, anything's possible, Megan.

Charlie could have been killed by an. alien. That's possible. But do we have. any evidence for that? No. And you of. all people know this better than anyone. When you go into a courtroom, you better. have evidence, not just speculation. And. that's all we've had. We've slander. >> That is what I have felt is the antidote. to all of that. Frank, as you know, you. and I have talked about it privately and. I've talked about it with my audience. I. really feel the antidote. >> to those kinds of messages are just to. is just to stick within provable facts. And in this case, that that would be.

admissible into evidence. That's the. playing field that we are on. >> Yeah. You know, this is a court case. that we're dealing with here. And if you. just follow those simple rules, you will. get to the right result. You will you. will not be misled. You will not run. down roads that you should not be taken. down. And I spend no time chasing them. because I just think it's almost. >> it's worse for the audience to have all. of that entertained at all. Ju just. we're going to stick with facts and you. will not be misled on this program.

>> Can I I feel like I I can live up to. Can I ask you a legal question, Megan, on this? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> In my experience, from the people that I. know in this field, they will say that. um eyewitnesses always agree on the. major event, but they disagree on. details. You know, I saw the guy shoot. him, but was it an orange jacket? Oh, I. thought it was a red jacket. Right. So, they they always agree on the central. fact, but they disagree on the details. Yet, I see some of the conspiracy. theorists saying that inconsistencies.

between the eyewitnesses on details some. somehow proves they're in collusion. I. think it's the opposite. What's your. view? >> Here's my view. You and I would do. better to stare at our navls and just. look at them for the next hour than to. have that convers like it's this is. pointless. You're playing the wrong. game. I I I've I mean, I've talked to. everybody at Turning Point about this. from Erica on down. I just don't think. it serves anybody to start picking. little pieces of what these people think.

happened to Charlie up and combating it. I really don't frank conspiracy. theorists or people who buy into. conspira whatever. I don't mean to sound. porative about you know if that this a. free country you can believe what you. want to believe. >> but. >> they they will not be disabused of their. beliefs. they wi not by facts, not by. eyewitness testimony, not by a court. verdict, not by any of it. So truly, it. is pointless to to spend time over that. target. Our target should be reality. It.

should be what is real, not what is not. real. It should be what is real. What do. we know? >> Starting with God and coming right down. to the evidence in this case, which is. overwhelming against Tyler Robinson. And. honest to my my own point of view is. while I don't support these narratives. Obviously Eric had had nothing to do. with Charlie's murder. It's despicable. to say otherwise. It's the internet like it's going to do. what it's going to do. It it's it's done. it in so many different cases. Right now. they're blaming Patrick Clansancy.

instead of Lindsay. >> It's not controllable. And the more time. we spend trying to chase down that. theory this that the less time we spend. in what what you want us to spend on. which is reality. Right? >> Spend time there. That's what's. uplifting. That's what's godlike. That's. what's infusing with positivity in your. life as opposed to this dark force which. can take you just down so many rabbit. holes where nothing good will will come. to you. >> Yeah. Well said. And uh that's what our. legal system is designed to do as well.

You have to bring the facts. >> I'm going to write the epilogue to your. book. I'm going to write that I'll write. the I'll write the epilogue on the on. the online version. >> Frank, I love talking to you. I wish we. had longer time. I want everybody to buy. the book. It's called The War on. Reality. And while you're at it, buy, listen to, and read whatever Frank Turk. puts puts out if you want to enhance. your life and your wellness. Thank you. so much for everything you've done uh. for all of us. >> Megan, one of the benefits of an awful.

event was me getting to know you. So, thank you for your friendship. Thank you. for having me on. Um, >> it's it's one of the positives out of a. very awful event. I appreciate knowing. you. Appreciate talking with you. Thank. you. >> I feel the same. Feel the same. Uh, again, it's Frank Frank Turk. The book. is The War on Reality. It's available. now. You can get it. Sure. Charlie would. love for you to read it. We're back. tomorrow with more as we continue to. honor [music] Charlie Kirk. We'll see. you then.

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