Ep 611 - Goblin AKA Nick

The wild wild west. >> All right, what's up Nick? >> What's going on? >> Here with Nick. Um, I would say successful YouTuber, dude. >> Mhm. >> What do you What do you How do you How. do you What do you How do you like to. present yourself to the world? >> I'm a YouTuber, I'm a podcaster. I talk. about, you know, my drug addiction. I. say previous, but yeah, you know, I. still enjoy drugs, you know, but. >> sober guy. >> Yeah, yeah, California sober, you know, shrooms, weed, a little bit of here and. there, you know. Everything in. moderation is the key. >> Well, my Yeah, one of my. Someone I Someone I know put me on to. your content who had been a bit of a.

druggist himself. And he's also on the up and up as well, but he. He was like, "You got to watch this. You. got to get this guy on your pod." You. know, whenever I see that, I'm like, "Yeah, yeah." I watch it, I'm like, "Damn, your [ __ ] is Your [ __ ] is sick.". >> I've gotten comments to get you on my. show, too. I've gotten quite a few, yeah. >> there it is, dude. It was just the. universe. That was the great minds just. working. >> Yeah, came together. I was curious, I I. had asked you before we came down, too, why you got me on the show, cuz I looked. at your other guests and I'm like, "Dude, talking about like Mayan. hieroglyph guys." and then like. here I come walking in. >> Hey, the Mayan hieroglyph guys not out.

just yet. >> Oh, oh, [ __ ]. >> Spoiler. >> No, I don't care. That's fine. >> The I don't know, dude. I feel like. you're a great fit. I don't know what. you're talking about. >> Yeah, well, no, I was just I I more so. meant like. category of person, you know, like. you're having like celebrities on the. show. You know? >> I mean. >> And then I walked in. >> It's the way the cookie crumbles, dude. That's the way the cookie crumbles. You're Here's the thing, you're no small. fry, dude. You've had How many followers. You got a bunch of followers. >> Uh, I have a million on my main YouTube. channel, but. >> come on now. >> YouTube doesn't like me.

>> than me. You're [ __ ] What are you. talking about? >> Well. >> That's an honor to have you on here. >> I appreciate [laughter] it. I'm really. I'm truly honored. I'm truly honored to. be here. Um. >> Cuz that's all that matters. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Counts. Follow A million is sick, though. You. get You get the plaque? >> Uh, no. What? No, they denied me my 100K. plaque, they denied me my million sub. plaque, and I have three channels that. are owed plaques, and they denied all of. them except one. >> Why? Is it cuz of the content matter? >> I mean, bro, if you on my channel right. now and you're not subscribed to my like.

homepage video is like my first time. smoking crack. And like YouTube [laughter]. any It doesn't matter what country the. support agent's in, they're going to. that channel and they're saying no. >> What? >> So, it's yeah, I I got. >> fake crack? >> No, like we really cooked crack when I. was 17 and smoked it, but like. >> so that's how far it goes back. Take me. all the way back. So, what how did you. >> So, how did I what? Just get get started. like [ __ ] around or. >> Well, yeah, but what I want to know is at what. point was that a crack idea to be like, "Let's just YouTube this?".

>> It was a a coke idea. It was after. school. >> [laughter]. >> on a on a Tuesday. >> It's a funny thing to say at a podium. Well, actually it's not a crack idea, it. was a coke idea. >> It a little less, you know. >> take me all the way back. How did How. did you Give me the origin story. >> So, when uh we'd gotten out of school. one day, it was junior year of high. school and I was going to this. alternative school with like all the. degen kids. And I got sent there because. my GPA was below one. >> Whoa. >> And it's 0.8. So, they didn't like that. and they're like, "Dude, you might be. [ __ ] Like you got to go to the.

alternative school." And at the time I. was just like smoking weed and taking. Xanax. So, like it wasn't too bad, you. know? I was still like. kind of doing my thing, you know? Just. not doing too good in school. But after. I got sent to the alternative school, it's like, "Okay, these kids are all. like actually like nodding out in gym. class and shit.". >> Yeah, yeah. >> You're like, "These kids are bad." So, I. I was right in there with them, you. know? I was like, "Fuck it, dude. Let's. have some fun.". >> That's kind of nice. You just got. better. >> got you know, got worse. So, I had a met a friend named Ashton who. was like just a really big cokehead and.

like kind of into everything. He did. coke, heroin, like the whole shebang. And one day he comes over to my house. after school. We got to ride home. together and we're sitting in my kitchen. and we've been doing blow for like every. day for like probably at least a week. straight. >> You're 17. >> Yeah, yeah. And it was like I was very. [clears throat] fortunate to have him as. a friend because he sold a lot of [ __ ]. and I was broke, but he would let me do. everything because I drove him around. >> Yeah. >> So, he's like, like driving to the serve. and like I'll give you two lines." Dude, >> it's the best offer I've ever had. [ __ ]. working at Wendy's, we're driving the. plug around, [laughter] you know? So,

he comes over to my house and he's like, "Dude, I'm really tired of doing blow. Like, this shit's boring, honestly. And like. objectively, blow is kind of a boring. drug, you know? So, I got I got where he. was coming from. And I don't remember. who said it. My other friend Kyle was. also there, but it came up at one point. like, "What if we made crack out of it?". And it was a joke at first, like haha we. could, you know, that's funny, but like. none of us knew what we were doing. We. don't know how to do that. >> guys listen to rap? >> Yeah, of course. Everyone did, dude. I. mean, >> to cook crack so bad, you know? >> up in the like SoundCloud rapper era. So, like when I was in high school, like.

Lil Pump was the biggest thing. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And like, dude, that guy made cocaine. music. Like, that guy's. >> [laughter]. >> like if you've ever heard any of his. songs, it's just straight nose drug. music, you know? So, we were kind of. joking around like, "Haha, that would be. really funny if we made crack." And then. it became more of like a. "How do we even make crack?" You know? We I remember we went on Erowid and we. found this thread post, like really. detailed thread with a YouTube video. link. And it was a step-by-step like old. like dude, this thread was like probably. mid-2000s, you know? And it was like one.

of those old-style YouTube videos with. like the music with the text, like step. one, like you know, the Comic Sans fonts. or whatever. And it was just how to make. crack. And it was how to make a personal. serving in a spoon. And all you I mean, I'm not going to list everything you. need here, but it's pretty. straightforward if you know anything. about it, you know, you could do it. literally with a spoon and a lighter and. the stuff you need for normal crack. >> Really? You don't have to I'm all about. I'm all from the rap songs, whipping. your wrist. >> You can literally do a miniature version. of that to make one bowl worth in a. spoon. >> Whoa. >> Like you don't have to make a like a. whole pot worth. You can take like a.

little bit of blow, yeah. >> block You're not getting the block. party. >> So, and granted like we didn't make good. crack. Like it was not like some [ __ ]. that we would go serve somebody, you. know? But it was like, dude, >> Some grown. >> it looks like crack kind of, you know? >> So, you guys, what did you So, you put. it on a spoon? >> So, Sprinkle stuff in? >> we put blow on a spoon and. I mean, do you want me to go step by. step here? Is this like a okay, yeah. I. don't If you get trouble, it's not my. fault. >> your ears, all right? >> So, >> Well, I feel like Well, you don't have. to go into I think it's baking soda. water and coke and you heat it up and.

stuff. >> essence of it. Yeah, and you. >> If you listen to rap, you know. >> You hold the lighter up under the spoon. and just mix it until it bubbles for. like a certain amount of time. It was. like, if you see like constant bubbles. on the top, stop. It's too hot. >> who made this video is so funny. >> Dude, I wonder where he is today. [laughter] I want to know where he is. I. want to have a I want to meet the guy. But, um we we did the process and then. after you finish mixing it in the spoon. and doing your thing, you pour it on a. tin foil and throw it in the freezer. >> Okay. >> So, he grabbed some tin foil, threw it. in the freezer. I just threw the spoon in like my mom's. sink, like thinking nothing of it, you.

know, whatever. Which she found the. spoon later. That was not good. >> No. >> still talks about it to this day. Like, she's like, "Remember when I found your. crack spoon?" And [laughter] like. I'm like, "Mom, like. >> She was not a fan. >> I don't do that anymore, you know?". >> that was an experiment. That was that. was an experiment for alternative. school. >> it was a one-time thing. >> a science fair. >> It literally, yeah. She should be glad. cuz like I failed all my science. classes. >> [laughter]. >> So, finally I'm being proactive and. experimenting on my own. She should be. happy about that. So, [laughter]. you know, we threw it in the freezer for. like probably 30 minutes or so, pull it. back out and it's like I mean, from my.

understanding, it's not good looking. good. It's very cloudy. It almost looked. gray. Like, it wasn't [clears throat]. good, but we're like, "Fuck it, dude. We. got to smoke crack now, you know? We. don't have a pipe, though. So, like time. for a tin foil pipe, you know?". >> Okay. >> So, we twist up a little tin foil bowl. My friend hits it first and he passes it. to me. Very underwhelming experience. Very like. literally, I think it lasted probably 2. to 3 minutes. >> Really? >> Like, if even. Yeah. We I took a hit. One hit.

Pass it to my friend. I don't know if like it was a placebo. thing of like, "Oh, I just smoked. crack." or what it was, but I got very. like. Sometimes when I do a lot of coke and. I'm pretty drunk, I'll get like ragie, you know? Like I'll get a little angry, you know? And it was like that condensed. into like 2 minutes. I remember I was. like, "Oh, like" my friend kind of. dabbed me up, you know, shook my hand a. little bit. I remember punching my mom's. cabinet like really hard just for no. reason. There was nothing wrong. There. was nothing going on. >> You were just amped. >> Yeah, I was just amped up, you know? I.

punched her cabinet and. my friend hits it and he like he's very. nonchalant about it. He's like, "Oh, yeah, you know, like that was cool." And. I'm like, "Wow, like we really just. wasted a bunch of blow and like hours of. our time and got [ __ ] 2 minutes of. this out of it, you know?". >> Um. and after we smoked the little bowl we. made, it was more of a thing of like we. were riding on the high of like we just. smoked crack. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Like, "Holy [ __ ] this is awesome." And. we drove up. >> [clears throat]. >> we got in my mom's car and I don't know.

why she ever left the keys at home with. me, but she would leave the keys at home. with me. And we drove up to Little. Caesars that my friend worked at. There. was this girl named Selma who worked. there. Shout out to her. And we would. always go and give her [ __ ] for free. pizza. We walked in and we're like, "Selma, we just [ __ ] smoked crack.". Like and she thought we were joking. She's like, "Oh, haha, yeah, like that's. so funny." We're like, "No, like we. really just did it. Like you should come. next time like if you want to." Like. I'm trying to mack her up a little bit, you know? Doing our thing. Trying to You. know, like, "Hey, we're not like these. other guys you do drugs with, dude. We.

cooked crack now. [laughter] Like we're. really different." Um. >> Which By the way, the coke pizza trade. is a real thing. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. >> briefly sold coke when I was younger and. we had a guy who would come in called. Horsehead. >> Okay. >> the delivery guy and. >> tell he's fun. >> Yeah, we would He would [laughter] be. like, "Horsehead." We would call and be. like, "Yo." It was like my friend's. cousin worked there. I'm like, "Tell. Send Horsehead with the pizzas." Then. like he would just bring a back bunch of. extra [ __ ] and we would just give him. blow. >> [ __ ] yeah. >> did look like he had a horse's head. He. had a giant long face. So we would just watch him do blow and.

just be like, "Horsehead.". >> There's a real connection with like. >> pizza employees and just drugs in. general. Like [laughter]. any any staff at a pizza shop, doesn't. matter if you're front end, kitchen, delivery, dude, you're doing good job. >> Yeah, there's stuff going on. So, what. was the lady's name again? >> Selma. >> Selma. So, Selma was she was dubious. about your crack consumption. >> She didn't care as much as we thought. she would, but she hooked us up with the. pizzas either way, you know, we we. hooked her up, a good little trade. And. went home that night and it was a thing. of like. we all agreed like let's never do that.

again. >> Okay. >> Like definitely. >> Gentlemen's agreement? >> Yeah, a real gentlemen's agreement. Like. hey, we're glad we got that out of the. way, but even at that time I still had a. mental barrier of like no meth, no. heroin, that kind of thing. And like the. crack kind of felt like it was starting. to breach the barrier a little bit. And. I was like, "Boys, let's leave that in the past, you know.". You know. >> Yeah. >> Um, so it was it was cool, you know. >> But did you did you YouTube that. experience or something? Or. >> I've talked about it, yeah. I didn't. like film the actual thing in the. moment, but a lot of what I do online is.

like I just kind of recount and tell. stories of what I've done in the. >> Okay, so you they're mad that you just. told that story on YouTube. >> Pretty much, yeah. Well, my channel two. No, actually three years ago now got. fully demonetized. So, I get no ad. revenue off my million sub channel. >> What? >> I basically post for free. And I get no. sponsors cuz, you know, what? >> Well, you know, there are you familiar. with psyched substance? >> Mhm. >> Did you ever follow his arc? >> very familiar with psyched substance, [laughter] of course. >> lost he like kind of lost it, didn't he? >> I he lost his sauce a few times, dude.

He spilled the pot quite a few times. >> Kratom got him. >> Dude. >> In the end. >> Kratom is getting more people than ever. right now. >> The 7-OH. >> 7-OH is bad, bro. >> So, that I was I had read about 7-OH So, I just call it 7-OH, 7-OH. And I was. like I was going to talk about it, but I. just brought it up and then like got. onto something else. I was like, "Yo, did you ever hear about 7-OH?" And then. like we started talking about something. else. I got like 9 million DMs like, "Don't do it. Don't do it.". >> Don't even try it. >> like morphine you can get from the gas. station. >> Honestly, I don't I I think morphine's.

even lowballing it. Like morphine is. probably weaker than what 7-O is. >> That's crazy. >> Like it's it's not stupid. >> And it's just at the gas station. >> It's gas station, every smoke shop in. the whole country, bro. You can pick any. smoke shop in a 2-mi radius of here and. I promise they sell. >> Yeah, that's not good. >> It's really hurt. >> I've heard that they This is just like. people I've talked to. You just hit the. gas station or the smoke shop and. they're just like, "Yo, try this shit.". Like they're pushing it on you. >> So they have sample packs, like these. little like one and two pill packs that. they send out to all the shops and they.

give the shops incentives to give the. samples out. Like they're like, "Hey, we'll give you a discount on your next. like wholesale batch if you give out. these samples." Because they know that. like. all the fiends are coming back. >> Who are the monsters though that are. like, "Yo, you know the Sacklers? >> Uh-huh. >> What if we did that again? Dude, what if. we did that but at gas stations? >> It goes pretty deep, actually. There's a. um. a lot of the like the 7-O, the sketchy. hemp's products and like all the shroom. bars that are in smoke shops, >> Mhm. >> a lot of those are the same people. >> Yeah, I know. >> lot of those different brands are all.

the same like couple parent. conglomerates. And I own a brand in the. hemp space, so like that's I'm pretty. involved with that and I know a lot of. the guys behind the scenes. And like, dude, listen, if you go to an event and. if you see like three Indian guys iced. the [ __ ] out, they're selling 7-O. >> Yeah. >> 7-O. They're selling 7-O. Um. >> What about what what So in terms of like. the the you know, like the hemp, the. farm bill compliance stuff, do you think. a lot of that's just sprayed kind of. cannabinoids or like. >> Like in terms of like the products that.

people are selling in stores? >> Yeah. >> Well, no. So the crazy thing with the. the hemp loophole is like the [ __ ]. they're selling in stores is the same. [ __ ] as the dispo. >> It's just weed, yeah. >> Like the THCA, particularly, THCA is the. same [ __ ] that's in normal dispo weed. >> Yeah, that's right. >> All the other [ __ ] like Delta 8, that's. like synthetic and and [ __ ] But the. loophole right now, like there's [ __ ] if. you go to a dispensary in California and. you go buy [clears throat] a product off. a shelf and you get it tested right now. There's probably a good like 40 to 50%. of those products that by definition.

would be legally hemp and like you can. ship. >> Yeah, and that's because the THCA isn't. heat activated become THC. >> It's cuz all the laws were made by like. 90-year-olds, you know, that have never. hit a joint. So. >> It's it's like kind of like laughable. though cuz you can just grow it and be. like it's 30% THCA, but it's just. >> And there's no oversight. There's not. even like a. >> There's the ag department of. agriculture. >> Yeah. >> They're not exactly top notch. >> [laughter]. >> But well. >> Which is good for them. I think it's a. nice loophole. I as far as loophole. that's a great loophole. >> Dude. You're talking to a guy who's made.

plenty of money off it, dude. It's a. great loophole. But with that being. said, I still am not like that against. it getting closed cuz like it's pretty. bad out there, bro. >> When you say bad, you mean like there's. a lot of dirty shitty weed. >> For every one like solid product you can. buy in the hemp market right now, there's probably five more that are like. borderline poison. >> Yeah, what what what makes them. poisonous? That's what I'm curious. about. >> There's so there's no testing and. oversight in any hemp products. The only. thing you have to do to like prove that. it's hemp is get a lab test done on the.

batch itself. But like there's no like. you know, authority that's coming in and. actually double-checking that. >> So it'd be like mold, heavy metals, pesticides, and all. >> Everything, bro. There's companies that. like have weed that's testing positive. for E. coli. There's company Yeah, like. there's a lot of synthetic like shroom. products in particular where like. they're advertising this is a blend of. lion's mane and it's just research. chemicals, you know. >> that's what So my. my brother put me on to that cuz there's. What is it? It's like It's not 5-MeO. It's like. five It's like MEO.

>> Five MEO-DMT or something. >> But that So that's like the frog stuff. There's another MEO something that is. it's just a powder. You can get it. online. Like a research chemical, but. it's like similar to shrooms. That's. what I think a lot of the shroom. chocolates are. So I've talked to people. like, "Yeah, I had like a one square and. I I was just launched.". >> And it's crazy cuz like that [ __ ] hits, too. Like it works and it feels good. It's not even a bad experience. It's. more. like you just don't know what you're. getting. >> Yeah. >> It's kind of scary. >> Like, I I personally, I think all the. [ __ ] in the smoke shop should still be.

legal to possess and consume, you know? But, like, should they be sold at the smoke shop. with no age restriction? >> Yeah. >> Probably not. >> Now, the Galaxy Gas epidemic was pretty. wild. >> Dude, that [ __ ] was bad. There was a I. remember. I'm not going to air out who it was, but. a few months ago, I invited someone onto. my podcast who came by with all his. homies and I It's going to be pretty. obvious who this was, but. >> Skrillex? >> Probably [laughter] No. No, he's. in the same like league, though.

>> [laughter]. >> But, he brought these like four homies. with him who kept like going out outside. of my door and like very clearly smoking. fent and like. >> Oh. >> Oh, dude, they do that a lot at my [ __ ]. >> What? >> That's actually I've had two people do. that now. >> Are you ever worried to have like guests. and then they come back and like kind of. case your [ __ ] up and. >> Dude, >> they're just smoking fent casually. outside of your. >> I'm not going to lie, bro. We don't have. much to take. >> Okay. >> we are in a living room, my homie's living room, and like. >> Yeah. >> there's just not much to take, you know?

And the cameras we have aren't even. ours, they're loaned to us, you know? Like, >> Good. >> take the couch, you know? >> Yeah, sure. >> [laughter]. >> Take the [ __ ] couch, but. >> So, yeah, that's kind of awkward. >> Yeah. >> So, how did you know they were out there. smoking fent? >> You could smell it. There's a very. specific smell that like smoking like. pills gives off. >> Yeah. >> And like. you can tell. And then they. The dude came back in. He was talking to. me totally normally. He's like, "Can I. go smoke a cigarette?" I'm like, "Yeah.". Comes back in. >> Yeah, he's It's like, all right, >> bro. I know what that smell is, you.

know? You're not fooling me. >> So, okay. So, going back to So, there. was you had the, you know, the the first one was just you. recounting smoking crack. That was your. first YouTube. >> That wasn't my first YouTube video. That. was the first one I'd say that really. like. >> popped off. >> popped off a lot. Like, that's like my. my most notorious probably. >> Okay. >> I think when it really like I started. getting any traction doing what I do is. I got sent to rehab and I was on. probation when I was 17. I got put on. felony probation cuz I would go to. Walmart and like load up a cart full of.

[ __ ] and it like a plastic tote I'd have. inside the cart and I'd leave the lid. open. I'd fill it up with all the. clearance like games and DVDs, put the. lid on, pay for the tote and just leave. And I got away with it like three or. four times. One day I got really brazen. and it was like a Friday at 5:00 p.m. and I was drunk as [ __ ] and I drove to. the Walmart walked in at 5:00 p.m., loaded up my tote, tried to walk out the. door and they stopped me. Like this big. like butch lesbian security guard came. and grabbed me. >> What What's funny is cuz like I I when. they did the self-check and I used to. get like real, you know, I would just.

start taking stuff all the time. >> You go nuts in there, but it's like. not even nine times out of 10, it's like. 99 times out of 100, the person checking. receipts looks like they're dead. They're just like and you just walk. past, but they have I had one hardo one. time who was like, "Why is your receipt. this big and you have a cart full of. stuff?" And I was. What [laughter] I did I just I just went. like. "Wait, what?" I just went full. Alzheimer's and was like. >> Just completely confused. >> not check all this stuff out?". >> [laughter]. >> Did he let you go back and just stay. there? >> was a lady and she was like, "This isn't. on the receipt." And I kept going like,

"But I didn't technically leave the. store.". >> Yeah. >> I don't think you can get in trouble. I. could have been like. >> committed a crime yet. Yeah. >> I was going to the gardening section.". >> Mhm. >> So I I I felt like I had a solid case if. I had to fight, but she she was like she. made me kind of like a a humiliation. ritual. She made me go back and be like, "That's not on there. That's not on. there." And I kept being. >> Did you have a police escort back to the. register? >> Yep. Yeah, I did. And I. >> [laughter]. >> I was like, "Wait, that's not on there. either? Did that not scan?" And I was I. remember being like, "Oh, so it beeps.". And she was like, "Dude, get the [ __ ]. out of here.". >> [laughter]. >> So they they actually prosecuted you?

>> Yeah, they they arrested me and like. took me into the little security room. and like counted the amount of stuff I. had. And I think they did it cuz I'd. been coming back to the same exact. Walmart repeatedly and I would do it all. the time. And this is back when like. Walmart was still 24 hour, too. So, like. I was going all times of day, bro. I'd. go at night. One time I got a 3DS out of. the electronics thing. I asked the lady. to like open it up for me. And then I. kept asking for like [ __ ] in different. directions. Like I'd be like, "Can you. get a game from that end of the thing?". And she got fed the [ __ ] up. And she. just handed the thing to me. And she's.

like, "Bring it up front and pay for. it." And just left. And I was like, "All. right. Well, I'm leaving.". >> Into the toad it goes. >> Yeah, but anyway, so I got arrested um. at Walmart that day. I stole like I. think it was like $900 worth of [ __ ] It. was a good amount. >> Okay. >> Um just under I think larceny What's. larceny? Like 2,000? >> It wasn't larceny. It was under that. It. was just [clears throat] I think retail. theft, but like the felony level by. definition. And like I just had like. some minor, you know, possession charges. and [ __ ] at that point. So, I went to. court for it. And they're like, "All. right." I had a good lawyer and.

everything. They gave me probation for a. year. And I had to go in for random drug. testing like pretty often. Um and I have was not doing well with. that. Like. >> Yeah. >> first month on probation, I was just. dropping a ton of acid and like, you. know, "Oh, well, acid. I won't piss. dirty for that." But then while I was. tripping, I'd like hit the blunt and. like do all the other [ __ ] [laughter]. And you know, that wasn't good. So, I kind of gone through the motions the. first month. Just like, "Well, I'm going. to go to juvenile when they call me, you. know?" And eventually, I bought a couple. tabs off a friend that turned out to be.

fake. And I overdosed on them. >> What were they? >> 25i, I'm pretty sure. >> What is that? >> So, it's um I don't think it's like as. popular to do anymore. But when I was. younger, uh. the like most common fake acid cut was. this chemical called 25i NBOMe. And it's. this like. a similar psychedelic. It's like a clear. liquid that you drop on blotter. But. like the only way you can tell you're. taking it is if the tab tastes bitter. >> That's why yeah. Okay. >> And I tasted something when I took the. tabs. But like I it wasn't like bitter.

to me. I didn't think anything of it. And this was like a good friend that I'd. known for a while. So, I was like, "Well, [ __ ] dude. This shit's not hitting me. I only took one. I need another one. So, I get to my friend's house, take my. second tab, and then I like started. freaking the [ __ ] out. >> Yikes. >> And my parents ended up when I went back. home, my friend dropped me off cuz I was. tweaking. Parents called the cops cuz. like they called an ambulance cuz I was. tweaking out. Went to the hospital, went to rehab, and I spent 2 months in a. residential facility out of state, like. with all the real tweakers and [ __ ] you.

know? I'm in there like, damn, dude, shit's [ __ ] And I got out. And I made. a series where I just documented like. everything I went through in rehab. And. that was the first thing that like. popped off on my YouTube channel. That. was really the like, oh [ __ ]. >> Yeah, you really You really made. lemonade out of lemons, man. That's. >> I did what I could, you know? >> yeah. >> I mean, it also like when I was a kid, I. still made YouTube videos. I would just. do like Call of Duty gameplay stuff. >> Yeah. Cuz I play the [ __ ] out of that. >> still do that cuz I. >> Yeah, I still do that, you know? >> Which is kind of nice.

>> It's It's like how it's morphed because. when I started I would do the gameplay, but I just like talk about Monday and. [ __ ] Like, here's the best gun. [clears throat] in Call of Duty right. now. And eventually like when I started. smoking weed, I was like, [ __ ] that. [ __ ] dude. No one cares about the best. gun in COD. [laughter] Like, I want to. talk about smoking weed and [ __ ]. chicks, you know? So, like it's kind of. just what I ended up doing. >> Got you. >> So. >> Made the switch. I mean, that is pretty. I've seen some of your stuff and when. it's just like call pretty good Call of. Duty gameplay, too. Pretty nasty. >> Thanks. I try. >> And then it's just like then one time. you and your friend smoked crack. I'm. like, this is might be the best.

combination of [ __ ] [laughter] ever. Just a guy like checking the corners. >> Yeah, I um. I think honestly the only reason my. channel exists is just like a product of. the time. I feel like if you tried to. make this channel today, you'd get. banned. >> Yeah. >> You know? So. >> claim educate Well, it is kind of. educational, honestly. >> Oh, oh, I I have a disclaimer in all my. videos that's like, this is [ __ ]. Like, this story's not even real. >> not true. Yeah. >> dude. These are fake names, you know? >> The drug ranking is one of is one of my. favorite. I know you said that before. >> The annual drug ranking.

>> them every year. >> It's so funny. Cuz I notice you have it. out for uh robotripping. >> I mean. >> That's the bottom of the barrel. >> I have I have a two-tiered problem with. DXM. Yeah. First off is like it's by. definition a struggle drug. It's a. poverty drug. Like you're an adult with. money and like options on plugs is not. going to buy DXM. Sure. You know, so. it's a poverty drug. And DXM users when. you tell them it's a struggle drug they.

don't like it. >> Is Is there like for real about DXM. users? >> Dude. You're going to see them in the. comments of this video just for talking. about [laughter] this, dude. Post a clip. of this on shorts and see how fast they. they appear. They're coming, dude. Yeah, they come in. my comments all the time. Every year. they're like, "God, I really wish Goblin. wouldn't be so narrow-minded about DXM. Like it's really opened my mind to all. these possibilities." And I'm like, "Dude, like I'm just I'm not tripping off. Delsym anymore. I'm sorry. Like. >> Yeah, you're saying it's bottom of the. barrel only when you It's like survival. mode. >> sucks too.

>> What is it like? >> It's like. imagine if like. you had a like every acid trip you had. was kind of scary and didn't last as. long and your stomach hurt the whole. time. >> Ah, that's rough. >> That's like pretty much what a DXM trip. is. >> That stinks. >> Yeah, it's not fun. And I never liked. it, but like. I guess I don't know, dude. Poor people. do. >> Yeah. So it's struggle it's struggle. drug. >> It's a great yeah, it's a good drug you. go steal at the store. Nothing better, but. >> Right. So you you rank that bottom. >> That's the very bottom. >> You're saying that's the bottom of the. barrel.

>> That is the bottom. I don't think. >> above that in your opinion? >> I mean okay. Reminder that it's all personal. preference. You know, cuz objectively. speaking we can be like, "Oh, fent. actually the bottom." But like no, it. isn't, dude. People don't do that [ __ ]. cuz it sucks. Like people don't do fent. cuz it feels like [ __ ] Like that's not. true, you know? >> So you can't put that. >> You can't put that at the bottom. >> Objectively, yeah. >> DXM feels like [ __ ] and is not a good. look, you know? And it's just I can go. on about that. But I'd say next up. probably like.

[ __ ] man. >> [snorts]. >> Oh, [ __ ]. It gets kind of weird in the D tier cuz. like. >> D the D tier. >> Yeah, I mean if we're if we're saying F. is is DXM, then the D tier is kind of a. weird place to be cuz it's like well, it's hard to find a drug that sucks but. doesn't suck enough to be really suck. >> True, yeah. >> You know, it's kind of tough. But I. would say like. [ __ ] man. I I personally don't like. opiates that much. >> Yeah, yeah. >> So like I'd say like specifically opiate. pills like percs, narcos, like oxy's,

that kind of thing. Just cuz like. you still get the grimy like opiate feel. and day after and the cloudiness, but. like you're not going all the way. Like. just do the [ __ ] heroin at that. point, you know, like. >> it's I would say. >> Opiates suck to begin with. Just do the. good ones at least, the ones that. actually feel good cuz you're going to. be a fiend either way. Like. >> And and if like [clears throat] with the. percs you're taking like a near liver. canceling dose of it's like tylenol. >> Yeah. Yeah, your liver's getting. annihilated. >> I I saw a guy one time, the guy I worked. with, we were in like a construction.

trailer. We had like cleaned a house and. we got to like take a break and he just. he was like he was bad on heroin though. He would take anything. But he just. grabbed it was the weirdest thing. He. grabbed tylenols. There was like a first. aid kit and he just dumped like 10. tylenols in his hand and swallowed them. all. And I was it was just like he just. casually did this. No didn't say. >> what though? Like. >> I don't know. I still to this day. I. guess he he probably was like. withdrawing. He probably didn't feel. that good. Just testing his liver So he. just abused tylenol. I remember just. being like what the [ __ ]. >> Yeah, what are you doing? What a strange like. >> D. That's that's D. Uh yeah, percocets.

>> Opiates for me are D. You know, like. I've done them and like sure I've had. enjoyable moments on them, but like I. don't like opiates. >> It's kind of laughable. Not well. it's definitely not very chic right now. to be addicted to like percs. >> No. >> It's kind of you're kind of like. >> went, dude. >> kind of like a throwback, yes. >> went. >> You're it's it's is a dying breed. >> 10 years ago, 2016, that was peak in the. era of these. You want to be a bartard, you want to be an opiate fiend, that's. when I was doing it, you know? Times. have changed, dude. Times have changed. >> Yeah, even the bars aren't popular. The.

Xanny bars, what would you class What. would you class them? >> Oh my god, bro. I mean, I love them. >> Yeah. >> I hate to admit. [laughter] Like, when I. talk about Xanax, I there's a certain. like feeling that comes over me of just. like warmth, you know? Like, oh, you. know? And that's how I know that out of. all the drugs I've ever done, Xanax is. the one that I really can never try. again. Like, I can I will immediately. fiend for that [ __ ]. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Like, it's bad for me with Xanax, and I. have so many friends who got so addicted. to that [ __ ] and the withdrawals are. horrible. It's like.

the the ratio of like how accessible it. is to like how addictive and horrible. the withdrawals are is crazy. Like, it's. literally the most accessible version of. like a. borderline heroin addiction. Like, it's. the same withdrawal process, it's the. same like if you cold turkey Xanax, you'll literally just have seizures. >> Yeah, you can die, can't you? >> Yeah, you can you can full-on die from a. Xanax withdrawal if you like just. completely cold turkey and don't do any. prep. And like, despite all that, it's [ __ ] great. >> Really? >> I I love it. I love Xanax. It's.

literally. a problem-solver pill. Like, any issue. you are concerned about in your life, dude, if you you got court coming up, you behind on your taxes, [ __ ] your. girl just left you, your homie stole. your drugs, take a Xan. >> You can. >> They're they're all gone. >> Find some peace. >> are gone, you know? And they're you. know, they're going to be gone for an. extended period, and like you might even. solve the problems while you're barred. out. You might get the courage to solve. those issues. And it might not be in a. healthy way, but like you're going to. take care of them. >> True. >> You know? >> That's what's shocking to me is that.

like it's not that crazy to be. prescribed Adderall and Xanax. >> No, [ __ ] no. >> average person, it's not like they go, "Oh, yeah, I take a Xanax for anxiety, and I take Adderall to focus." That's a. pretty potent If I took an Adderall and. a Xanax, I'd be trashed. >> fun. >> Yeah. >> It's not fun. >> All right, here we go, guys. Uh does. anyone want to go first by the way? I. don't want to take out. Go ahead, Lamar. Get in there. >> All right. Well, uh. everybody, I'm going to be in Florida uh. May 5th, May 6th, May 7th, May 8th, May. 19th, and then I'll be back home. But,

also on May 5th, there's Optimal Knock. at the Creek and the Cave. So, please. check that out. Lamar Lee dot fun and. everywhere else. All right. Thank you. >> always. >> Uh May 16th is all I got right now. Toronto would be nice, but I believe. it's full. May 16th, then the very next. >> Wait. You're in Toronto on May 15th? >> May 15th, yeah. What's up? >> It's a good time to be in the 6. >> Is it really? What, in May? >> May 15th. >> Why? I'm in there May 15th. >> The new Drake release. >> What? >> Are you going to be there May 15th? >> going to be going nuts.

>> Yeah, that's going to be awesome. Well, hell yeah, dude. We got to look. forward to that. And guys, the next day, there are some tickets. left for the. Riviera Theatre in Chicago, Illinois. And yeah, that's May we we got time, but. I'll be honest that that one I wouldn't. lie to you. That one's going to sell. out. So, come celebrate the end of this part of. the tour in Chicago, May 16th. That's it. >> May 4th, I'm at the Hollywood Bowl in. Los Angeles. May 7th, there's still tickets available.

for the May 7th Thursday show at the at. TD Garden in Boston. And then, that's it. Obviously, July. 17th, come watch me have a heart attack. in front of the entire city of. Philadelphia. [ __ ] it. >> [laughter]. >> Sean. >> Albuquerque, Phoenix, San Diego, Los. Angeles, Seattle, Portland, Chicago, New. York, Boston, Pittsburgh, Orlando, Naples, and Tampa, and San Francisco. I'm coming to you this month. It's going. to be a big month. >> Yeah. >> jdfmcaan.com.

Oregon Air out now. James Donald Force. McCann Catamaran Plan. >> Oh, yeah. >> Big times. >> Yeah, get in there, Sean. >> Hello, everybody. I'll be in. >> in front of the [ __ ] camera and don't. do this cute [ __ ] Just [ __ ] do. it. >> into. >> Hello everybody. I was saying now, dude, just do it. >> Missouri, uh Tulsa, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma City, and Cincinnati, Ohio in the month of. May. Please come. Sean Gardini.com. >> Why are you so mad at me? >> I'm not. I'm joking, dude.

>> [laughter]. >> Oh. >> What do you What do you think about. abusing sleeping pills? You ever run. into that? >> Like which No, I never really [ __ ]. with. >> I saw I saw these uh when I was younger. there was like this, you know, whatever. apartment complex full of people that I. knew, and uh they're like all knew each. other and lived together. And these. girls would take Ambien and then do as. much coke as possible. >> I've never tried that. >> Dude, well, they say you start tripping. cuz you want to go to sleep, but if you. take the Ambien and then the uh I. literally They were like really trying. to sell me on it all. Like, you got to. try this. And I'd always give it a go.

Had the wherewithal to be like, "Nah, I. don't think I'm going to do that." And. [laughter] uh dude, one day they just. collapsed in front of me. >> Oh. >> Just were fell The one of them fell and. just hit the floor. >> Thank god you didn't try it. >> And I said I [ __ ] told you guys. I. was I was a very I was a very like. nervous Nellie about drugs when I was. younger. >> Really? I would do like like weed and. mushrooms were great, but like. >> avoid like combining stuff or. >> Just pills, coke. I never I never did. coke. I've never done it. >> What? >> Virgin. >> Really? >> Ver- totally virgin. And I I just never. Everything I saw people doing it, I was. always like it never worked out good. I.

don't think of a single person that were. like, "Yeah, that was sick.". >> Oh, coke is very destructive. >> Yeah. >> It's horrible. It costs too much money. It doesn't last long enough for you to. ever make it stretch. And like. it does suck, but also like I feel like. coke is the perfect adult drug. Like, the moment that like you got bills. to pay, it's time to buy a bag. >> It's time to buy the bag. >> It's time to buy a bag. >> So, how's that the adult drug? Oh, that's You're saying when you when. you're. >> It's It's a drug that like you can do on. a regular basis and still function. And. like I personally like although I don't.

do it anymore, I functioned when I was. geeking. Like, it wasn't Until the end, it wasn't ever really a thing where it. was like debilitating me, you know, Until like towards the end of my coke. use and stuff. >> financially? >> Well, that's a different story, you. know? [laughter] I mean, yeah, that's a. different story. But like, I mean, dude, >> function as a person? >> When I first like started so. back in like 2020, I got a DUI and I was. living with my parents still at the. time. I was 20. Um it was 2019 actually and my mom threw. me out of the house. She was like, "Get. the [ __ ] out, you know? You got 7 days.".

Put all my stuff in a trash bag and. there I went, you know? Um and I moved down like 3 hours south. to this town that was like really far. from my hometown and very cheap cost of. living and I had brought like my final. like hurrah bag of blow down with me. >> Mhm. >> I bought like a pretty I don't remember. how much it was, but I brought a. pretty fat bag of blow. I got like a. pile of lean. I got like a bunch of weed. and I just brought it all down and I was. like, "Once I run out of this, I'm. [ __ ] dude. All the blow down here is. fent, you know? So, it's going to be. bad." So,

I started railing a bunch of it and like. kind of trying to pace myself, which. didn't work. And around that time, I had. started doing these like live streams. every day and like I would drink for. donations. I was trying to make money. and it worked and I started making good. money and like. instead of being like, "Oh, finally I. can afford my blow." I just bought more. [ __ ] And like since my plug it lived 3. hours north, I started going on the deep. web and buying everything with like all. my YouTube paychecks. So like I would. have months where I'd get like 7 or 8. grand from YouTube, which was like.

incredible money for me at the time. >> like a YouTube tip basically. >> Yeah, yeah. That was like my That was my. all all my income at that point. I. didn't have sponsors. I didn't have like. business stuff going. It was literally. just whatever YouTube paid me for my. donations and my ad rev was my [ __ ]. net worth, you know? >> Yeah. >> And I remember I would pay my rent, which was 650 a month. It went up to. 1,100 eventually when I moved, but 650 a. month. The entire rest of that was weed, Xanax, ketamine, blow. I would just. order it all and like the more money I. had, the more I just bought.

>> And but then did they keep scaling up? >> Yeah, yeah, it kept scaling up all the. way until like it got really bad, bro. Like. it was. I'm kind of drunk right now, so it's not. going to be a great estimate, you know, I had some drinks at lunch, but probably. like. fall of '21 I'd say is when it got the. worst. And I was like staying up for like two. or three days straight at a time, and I. would just be like sitting at my desk. like cold sweating, railing lines. And I. had this like I developed this really.

extreme like paranoia and anxiety in my. brain from doing so much uppers that. like. I would do uppers to bring me like bring. my heart rate back up cuz I was really. paranoid about my heart. Like I'd be. like, "Oh, my shit's beating too slow. I. need to wake up.". >> Yeah, yeah. >> Do a bunch of lines and I'd be like, "Oh, my shit's beating too fast. I need. to take a Xan. I need to do a line of. K." And I would go through cycles of. that for like two or three days. straight. >> to get it back to just like a sober. heart rate. >> Yeah, [laughter] and the whole time it's. like, "Bro, I'm not [ __ ] dying.". Like, you know, but I my I was just so. paranoid in my brain that I thought I.

was. >> So that's pretty scary though. If you're. doing it by yourself just like. constantly up and down, up and down. >> Bro, I had this big house by myself. I. had no friends in this town. I had no. job. And like the only thing I did all. day was just sit inside and do drugs. like all [ __ ] day. >> And then you're streaming or. >> Pretty much, yeah. I would go live. So. >> That's [ __ ]. >> dude. I'm going to get banned for this. Um when I used to stream like my early. days of streaming on Twitch, uh I got. started because I was trying to see how. fast I could get banned. So like I. played a porn game and like railed a.

bunch of ketamine like during the. stream. And like I didn't point my. camera. >> game like the ad? >> No, I played like a porn game that's. banned on Twitch on stream. >> What is a porn game? Like you're talking. about like the ads on porno or like. >> There's a game No, no, no, it was a game. on Steam called like. >> Oh, okay. >> I don't remember the name of it. >> I know you're I know what you're talking. about. >> People are going to know in the com-. It's like a very notorious like horny. game, you know? And I played it on my. stream with the intent of seeing like, "Let's see how fast Twitch like bans. people for this kind of shit." And then. during the stream I would like. you know, turn my camera up and be like,

"Yo, the [ __ ] vet's calling me, dude. He's My pet horse is sick." And like. lean down, do a bunch of ketamine, lean. back [snorts] up. "I think he's going to. be okay, guys. Like, he's going to be. fine, you know?" And. finally like I got banned, you know, but. it was temporary and then they unbanned. me and like. I don't know how I didn't get in more. trouble for the [ __ ] I used to do. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Like, I would do this and be very. blatant about it on stream and I know. people were reporting me and like. I don't know. >> Twitch is cool, I guess, you know? >> I guess they are pretty chill. >> YouTube might be kind of chill, too, if. they give me my money.

>> chill. They should give you your ad. money. YouTube is not chill about. nudity. Mhm. I showed one one. illustration. It was a. It was like a cartoon like a comic book. series about a a [ __ ] Indian lady. called Savita Bhabhi. And I showed like illustrated nipple and. they just they we still have a strike on. our channel for that. >> Really? >> Yeah, they do not [ __ ] with. >> it expire? >> I don't think ever, dude. I don't Or. we'll find out. It's been there for. at least like 3 years, 2 and 1/2 3 years. now. >> What the [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Do you guys have like a like a contact. at YouTube or anything?

>> Probably, but I don't think they'll take. it off. >> hit that guy up. >> It was like a graphic. I mean, I did do. like full It was like illustrated full. frontal. >> I feel like if cuz now all strikes on. YouTube expire. >> Do they really? >> All of them, yeah. >> That's cool. >> They you get like a warning then strike. one. If you don't get another one for 90. days, it goes. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah, so I would hit up your rep. and just be like, "Hey, bro, this shit's. 3 years old. Like. >> put I'm going to go I'm going to show. the naked Indian lady as soon as I get. my strike off. >> [ __ ] it. >> Dude, run it back. >> [laughter]. >> Run it back. You got wiggle room now. >> So what So.

yeah, so what's what's the plan now? So. now you're still you're still streaming. So I like are you Is it more of like a. I guess your channel's slightly like a. almost like a memoir or like slash like. opinion on things. >> yeah, it's kind of morphed more. recently. When I started, it was just. purely like a I want to tell my stories. kind of thing, you know? And now as I've. gotten older and kind of gotten clean. and cleanish, um. you know, it's a thing of like I want to. share my stories in a way that like. people can learn from it a little bit. And also just make videos talking about.

drugs, you know. >> Yes, what So what is your overall What. is your personal takeaway after doing a. like I would say. Would you say you've done all the drugs? >> All the drugs I want to. >> Yeah, exactly. Fair. >> Yeah, I mean I haven't done meth, haven't done heroin, I haven't done. um you know, DMT. I haven't done that. yet. There's a few things psychedelics. that Like I did molly, shrooms, acid, but none of the like real like. >> Yeah. >> other stuff. >> What what So what is your takeaway on. drug on drugs combined? If it's like if. there's a young man out there. >> [sighs and gasps]. >> Honestly, dude, get it out of your. system while you're young. I mean, I'm.

going to be honest. I I think. a lot of people like it's it's really. easy to just be like, man, you should never do drugs, you know, like drugs are so bad. But like, dude, no one's going to listen to that [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> You know, we're doing drugs, you know, that's just. kind of that's how people are. >> Yeah. >> And for me, I see a lot of my friends. that I partied with when I was young. that I went really hard with and like. did stupid [ __ ] with and got arrested. with and like these guys are doing fine. I have a buddy who's working biotech, travels all over the country and like.

dude, I used to rail bags with this guy. every night, you know. I I have other. friends who are like doing finance stuff. and like working in sales and it's like. a bunch of dudes who like. I think our ACT scores were in the. teens, you know, like we're kind of. [ __ ] So it's like It was really. like. My advice, honestly, like I don't ever. try to tell people like, oh, don't do. >> drugs, don't try this cuz like you're. going to try it either way, you know. [ __ ] aren't going to listen to. me. But. >> I think moderation is key. It's good to. get out of your system when you're young.

and you're never too far gone is really. the most important part. >> Yeah. >> Like you're never too far gone, bro. I've met some crazy [ __ ] who. like were way deeper in than I've ever. been than anyone I've ever seen and like. they're just normal guys now living. life. >> Came out of it. >> Yeah, you know, so that's probably my. take, but like. man, all the all the like curriculum, all the. D.A.R.E. stuff, and all the like drugs. are bad that's been getting pushed since. the '80s is just [ __ ] that's like. resulted in the drug space we have now.

>> Yeah, I don't think anyone like listens. to that. I I remember my brother was. telling me we had D.A.R.E. at our school. or officer friendly, whoever. >> Yep. >> And I remember they would show us like. car antennas used as crack pipes. >> Yeah. >> But they I don't remember this, my. brother was like when he was in seventh. grade they explained LSD to him and he. was like, bro, since that day I was. like, I need to get that. And they just. like told him what like you see cartoons. or whatever and he was like, that sounds. sick, dude. >> It sounds [ __ ] awesome. I remember. seeing the South Park acid episode when. Kenny had the acid trip when I was a. kid, that that made me want to trip. immediately. >> Yeah, yeah.

>> And I was like, I don't know, 10 or some. [ __ ]. >> [laughter]. >> I was like, dude, I got to try that, you. know? >> Yeah, that that is kind of my my thing. cuz I I have two little kids and it's. like yeah, the old like. "Hey, don't ever do any" It's like it's. not realistic, but it's also like. you know, for me it'd be like, here's. certain things that you know, like weed, even drinking I'm kind of like, be. careful with that. But like I my personal advice is like. coke, pills, all that stuff, just. steer clear. Yeah, that's my personal.

thing. Some people are like, no, coke's. fine. I my you have to stop it eventually cuz. that's the thing. Once once you're like. 40, you know, 50, it's kind of like. to me there's just something shitty. about it, especially once especially. once you have kids and it's like are you. definitely testing it? That's like oh, it's like I know so many people where. I'm like, you're not testing your coke. There's no way. You're drunk at a bar. and you're getting a bag of coke and. you're shoving it up your nose. >> Mhm. >> And like, dude, I just people. how how bad is is the fentanyl still. really bad in terms of like. >> so bad, dude.

>> Yeah, it's laced in everything. >> bad. >> That's [ __ ] scary. >> I mean, the problem is like. fent is cheaper than all the other cuts. now. Like it's a lot of people I see. they're like, oh, why would anyone why. would any drug dealer cut something with. fent? Like that doesn't make sense. It's. another drug that cost them money and. then they kill their clients and it's. like, bro, you need a fraction of a. gram, like a hundredth of a gram of fent. to get the job done just for a cut. purpose and like that cost cents, you. know, like that literally cost pennies, like it's it's nothing. So.

it's fent's more common than ever. It's. in Xanax presses, it's in bags of coke, it's in all the opiates you're doing, like all the perks that people are. smoking on the street aren't perks, it's. just fent presses, you know, it's all. fent presses. And now like that's what. people want. Like they want stronger. [ __ ] So. it's ugly, you know, I think like. I don't know. I I think personally it's. just important to like. follow your own rules whenever you're. doing drugs. Like don't bring the bag. home, you know, keep it in a social. setting. As as long as you're able to.

maintain that, like party as much as you. want. >> Yeah, that's your okay, that's fair. >> That's kind of how I view it. I I think. the the always like the moat that I try. to set myself that I'm like, I'm never. going to cross this is like if I'm. partying and I'm out and I'm doing [ __ ]. with friends, it stays out. I'm not. bringing it home. I'm not going to do it. alone all my own at the crib. I'm not. going to wake up the next day and. immediately start railing or do. whatever. I think that's when you cross. a line. >> Yeah, so what what was it that you think. that made you cuz you know, some people. there there's people that claim like,

yeah, I'm just completely powerless. If. I even look at or see it, I'm it's just. like I it's it's the wrap for me. What. kind of clicked in your head to where. you're like, okay, I think I have this. [ __ ] under control or like I'm good on. this? >> I mean, it's rehab never worked for me. Like I technically did rehab twice cuz I. did a outpatient and then I did a. smaller inpatient stay and then a full. residential stay. So like two and a. half, I guess. And rehab never worked. A. lot of people always preach the whole. like 10-step process and like, oh, you. have to be completely bone sober, but I. think like.

telling a like for a lot of drug addicts. being like, hey, you have to be sober. forever is a very scary thing. And like. even hearing that immediately is going. to make someone be like, "What the. fuck?". >> Yeah. >> Like, I'm not sticking with that. Dude, I'm. >> Yeah, I. I think a lot of things that help you. There's some people that I think that do. love that whole like, I'm just. white-knuckling it forever and you know, whatever. It becomes this a whole. >> Mhm. >> you know, your whole thing. It's just. like, yeah, I'm just nothing one day at. a time. And I think it's good for some. people. But then some people, yeah, I. know a lot of people have tried that and. they're like, "Dude, I just can't get.

with this.". >> Mhm. >> I found a lot of people have success. being like, "All right, opiates are my. problem. >> I cannot. >> Yeah. >> I can't be around them." But then the. problem is a lot of those guys will go, "I'll take some Xanax." And they go, "Well, that's kind of sick. Let's take. some Adderall." And they they just end. up They do end up right back on the. opes. But the people I know who are like, you. know, say like, "I'm I'm I'm staying off. of opiates." And then they kind of like. take mushrooms here and there, they. still get that charge and kick, but it's. like. you're not going to do a bunch of. mushrooms and be like, "Yo, I should go. steal my brother's PlayStation.". >> Yeah.

>> It's like So, I I feel like that's To me. at least, I think that helps a lot of. people. >> Yeah, I mean, I think harm reduction's. the key and like, for me, I like towards the end of my addiction, it wasn't fun the last few months. And. like, I realized every day when I was. waking up and getting high and doing all. the [ __ ] I did, like I was not enjoying. it. Like, feeling getting high felt. good, but like. I was starting to have those thoughts in. the back of my head like, "Man, like. this isn't fun." Like, I wake up and I. feel like [ __ ] every day. I feel like. [ __ ] right now while I'm high. And if I. do more, I'm just going to feel more. like [ __ ] And then.

that one day, I remember. I had It was like 5:00 or 6:00 in the. morning. It was rush hour, morning rush. hour. And I had been up for a few days. doing blow and doing ketamine and doing. my whole thing. And I was having I was. having one of those really bad freak. outs. And like, I remember I was having. these really bad heart palpitations. And. my hand on my chest, and I thought I was. like about to have a heart attack. My. heart was going so fast. And I'd railed. a bunch of [ __ ] lines. And like, at. that point, it was just purely an. anxiety thing. And I remember. I'm standing there in a cold sweat. I.

run out onto my porch and I sit down and. I'm in my underwear, broad daylight and. like I live right off a main road at. this point. So like all these people are. driving past looking at me. Didn't give. a [ __ ] I'm sitting there on my porch. like breathing in the fresh air, trying. to do like breathing exercises to make. myself like not die and like in that. that specific like that moment itself. was a pivotal point for me where I was. like, "Dude, I can't do this [ __ ]. anymore. Like this isn't fun." And I've. been having those like panic attacks. more frequently and that was the one.

where I was like, "Bro, I can't do it. anymore.". >> Yeah, your body basically was like, "All. right, man.". >> And it was it was hard at first with. most of the other drugs. Like Xanax was. a [ __ ] for me to get rid of, but coke. was an easy one cuz I viewed coke as the. source of my anxiety and paranoia and. problems and I immediately. after that day, I remember I flushed my. [ __ ] I got rid of it and my strategy. that I tell everyone, I always recommend. this to people if they're able to is. dude, just smoke your way out of it. Like really genuinely smoke yourself so.

stupid every day, eat a bunch of edibles. if you have to that like you can't even. fathom feening for something. >> Yeah. >> Cuz like the real thing that you need is. like you need time for your brain to. reset. Like you need that chemical. connection, that addiction to like reset. and a lot of people like you're not. going to get that time just sitting at. the house. You're not going to choose to. do that. But I found that like when I. was eating a shitload of edibles and. just ripping dabs all day and just. getting violently high as often as I. could that it would knock me out. I'd.

sleep half the day and like enough time. passed where eventually it was a thing. of like. "Hey, I'm not feening so hard I'm about. to punch a hole in the wall cuz I'm out. of blow." It's more of a thing of like. I'm in my head thinking like, "Man, coke. would be nice right now." But I don't. have to act on that. >> Yeah, yeah. >> You know? And once you reach that point, it's kind of smooth sailing from there. in my. >> Got you. So there was like a real almost. physiological kind of withdrawal. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, there was. I I a really. I never had like the the physical mental. or like the physical withdrawals of like. cold sweats and like twitching and.

puking in my bed. I never got that, but. like mentally, yeah. And like to this. day, I still Xanax specifically like. bro, I'll be sitting there sometimes. especially if after I've had a couple. drinks and I'll just be like man. Xanax. >> Isn't that the worst isn't that the. worst time to take it though? >> Oh, yeah. Well, okay worst by medical. definition, [laughter] but like come on. dude. Like [ __ ] no, it's not the worst. time. You know? >> Yeah, I I. well, I'm like kind of split on this cuz. it's like I.

I I do think it's a crazy way to treat. it where it's like don't touch it at. all. And it's like yeah, okay. Like. Louis C.K. has a great joke about it how. like you got to tell your kids not to do. drugs but drugs are literally the. answers to all their problems. And it's like you'll you'll feel awesome. actually. If you're actually being. honest like no, you'll feel great. You'll be confident. But the This is what I found. I I you know, I used to drink when I was. younger. You start drinking super young. And I just drinking smoking weed. whatever and specifically drinking. though. I would I would just get I.

socialized. I pretty much like grew up. socializing drunk. It's always drunk if. I socialize. And then I just the alcohol just started. just not agree with me. I got sick of. being hungover. So then I had to like learn which I'm. still learning how to do it now. I'm 40, but it's like I had to like learn how to. socialize sober. And I was just like damn, I wish I. [ __ ] learned how to do this when I. was younger cuz I got I'm like still bad. at it. >> I still struggle with that too. I I get. drunk before everything. >> Yeah, really? >> I mean dude, every podcast I've like. ever done on the podcast, I just drink.

before it. >> Really? So how's that how do you manage. the alcohol then? >> I mean I'm not drunk, you know, I don't. get hammered. But one or two shots when. I when I have like a someone I don't. know coming on the show, yeah, I need to. loosen up. >> Interesting. Okay. >> So. >> That's fair. >> Yeah, but I personally like I don't. enjoy drinking like getting blacked out. drunk. I like drinking in like. combination with other things. Like give. give a couple glasses of whiskey and a. joint and like a couple lines, you know? Give me, I don't know, take some. shrooms, smoke a joint, maybe one glass. of whiskey, you know? I think drinking.

is just like a good like mix in the pot. kind of thing. >> Yeah, okay. So, you're not like a. hardcore drinker. Like, well, with. stand-up, I remember. >> I used to be, but. >> Yeah, well, stand-up, I remember being. like, "Dude, I have to have two drinks. before I perform." And then I I remember. being like, "Well, [ __ ] I kind of at. the time I would do stand-up like every. night." I'm like, "I don't feel like. drinking every night." So, then I had to. like I was able to And this is, you. know, this is the stuff I do kind of like. where it's like, you know, what exactly. why do I have to do that? And it's like. with time, you just you can get over. that stuff. That's the one.

>> 100%. >> But to me, it's like I don't want to. come off as like preachy. Like, if. that's what people do, that's what. people do. But I remember being like, "This is like impossible. I'm not really. a public speaker. I need my two drinks." And then um. I was like, "No, you know what? Tonight, I'm going up sober." It was like years. and years ago. And for some reason, I. was just like I I don't even know why I. did this. I wore a backwards hat on. stage. I never I would never wear a. backwards hat, but I was sober. So, I needed to have like some other. thing and I stood up there completely. like oh. like [laughter] stone sober with the. backwards hat, bombed. And uh but now it's weirdly enough, I.

prefer if I do stand-up, I prefer to be. like. completely sober. >> Mhm. >> And I wanted to I wanted to be like a. high on stage guy. I was like, "You. wouldn't want to have a couple drinks. every night." But it like I just. objectively, I'm better if I'm sober. >> Yep. >> Cuz I'm more like kind of. keyed into everything going on. >> Yep. >> I'm not high. You doing being high and. doing stand-up for me, it's a nightmare. >> Dude, being high and doing anything. where you have to think is hard. >> [laughter]. >> Not good. I've kind of been noticing. that lately, too. I've finally, for the.

first time in my life, like since I. started smoking, been like tapering off. a little bit, you know? And only smoking. at night and stuff like that. Cuz like. dude, I look back at like some of my old. stuff on the internet where I'm super. high. And whenever I'm super high in the. moment, I'm thinking to myself like, "Dude, this is great, you know? I'm. talking a lot." Then I look back and I'm. like, "Yo, I'm a babbling [ __ ] idiot, dude. Like, I'm saying nothing right. now.". >> [laughter]. >> So, yeah, I've tried to slow down on. smoking, too. >> Yeah, I I I still I like. like doing kind of cycles with weed, where I'll like quit for a while.

>> Mhm. >> And then, I'll come back and it's. something like. >> Yeah, little T- little break, dude. It's. nice cuz it like otherwise, it just I. feel like, you know, you feel I I I feel. like I'll feel like dull after like. daily smoking. When you take like months. off and come back, you're like it's it's. I don't know. That's the way I kind of. >> It's got to be a treat. That's the only. way it's fun. >> Yeah. >> You know, if you're just smoking all. day, it's pretty boring. >> Yeah. >> I like it as like a little little gift. at the end of the day. You know? >> a gift at the end of the day. >> A little surprise. >> But, that's No, that's a cool way of. thinking of it cuz it is like, you know, it it's. like as far as like YouTube guidelines,

I'm sure they have their like legalistic. kind of like, "No, it's you can't. endorse this." But, it is like, "Okay, well, there's still people dying from. [ __ ] overdoses cuz this doesn't work. for them or that doesn't work for them.". And at least Yeah, like you were saying, if you can at least like reduce the harm. a little bit by being like, "Hey, the. rooms didn't work out for you. >> Yep. >> How about you [ __ ] just. take 19 edibles a day and see if you can. manage that." That's like it's at least. attractive to an addict's mind where. like, "Yeah, I'll just get high as [ __ ]. all day." And that does I I swear to. God, even the mushrooms, I've seen.

people who were like bad addicts to. like, you know, like like the worst. stuff. and they'll like have like a hard. mushroom trip and at least for like 5. months, they would just be clean. And. then like, you know, life will come back. and yank them back into that stuff. But, it is it was pretty astounding to see. people be like, "Nah, I'm just chilling. right now.". >> We got to do more research on that [ __ ]. you know? I mean, it we're probably pretty far. from that actually happening, but I. mean, shrooms genuinely like cure people. from stuff, you know? Ketamine does, too. We're just starting to discover. that, you know? Even acid. >> Yeah. Well, that was I think the. original AA model was to take you're.

supposed to take acid. >> Really? >> Yeah, the guy Bill W or whatever his. name was. That was like that was a the. whole point of it was like it it would. get you there. You would like start. talking and it it. they were like, you got to basically. induce some form of mystical religious. experience and that he he had done LSD. and that's how like that he was like a. hopeless alcoholic. >> Yeah. >> And I think he did acid and kind of was. like oh okay. >> leave that part out of the curriculum. nowadays. >> It's a shame. They left it [laughter]. out. They left it out. But even again it's. not like everyone has to do that but.

it's like all right this works for some. people this works for some people that. works for some people. Here's. [clears throat] your options pick one. and try it out rather than being like. show up every day and just [ __ ] eat. [ __ ] and. >> Yeah. >> just white knuckle it for the rest of. your life. >> I mean it's so much more appealing to. just be like yo you can get high as [ __ ]. still just on this. >> Yeah or it's like it just scares the. [ __ ] out of you. You get you start. tripping you're like oh dude I'm like. stealing my little sister's money. Some. people need whatever that like out of. body kind of perspective it gives you. you can kind of really see yourself and. go like oh god dude what how the [ __ ].

did I start doing this? >> Yeah. >> So. But no that's uh but your channel rules. I do like your channel a lot. >> Thanks man. I really appreciate it. >> funny. The stories are really awesome. >> I like the show you got here dude. This. is a very cool setup. >> Appreciate you man. >> this. You know I've I've gone on a few. podcasts that are very like sit at the. table and talk but this is fun. >> Oh yeah. >> this. >> Stan. >> What's the crap like what is this? >> What's the art? Everyone asks me I have. no idea. I should research this at one. point. It's I like I you know what's. funny I've like googled it a couple. times and read all about it. My brain.

doesn't retain it at all. I think they like they're being spot. like someone's coming up and like. it like kind of like catching these guys. in a in a lewd act. I think they're That. was like an ancient devil's threesome. >> Oh. >> And like that lady in the water. symbolizes something I forget what that. is. I think that canoe is on fire or. something. I don't know. >> Kind of the right looks kind of like. Turkish to me. >> Yes. Very Turkish. Some say some say. he's her pimp. >> Oh. >> And then someone walks up like hey what. the [ __ ] you guys doing in there? They. go huh? >> He does have the cane going and. everything. So. >> Yeah although although these guys look.

they could be siblings. >> Oh. >> I see a a of resemblance. >> Well that was okay back then. you know, to share and you know. >> [laughter]. >> That was fine. >> He might have been signing his sister up. with a pimp. He's like, "Look, I think. it's a conflict of interest if I pimp. you. My buddy's also a a Turkish pimp. >> Yeah. >> So. >> It's a very recent development that, you. know, your Turkish pimp relative wasn't. like someone to share your woman with. >> [laughter]. >> But I I have no idea what that painting. is about. It just made me laugh. It was. just a funny It's just an interesting. thing. >> I like it. >> I like it. But yeah, man. So, what's. what's uh you know, what's the plans.

going forward, dude? Are you Do you feel. pressure. on the podcast to be like, I got to get. [ __ ] zonked. I got to ramp up. Or is. it just kind of like. >> When I was much like earlier into doing. it, yeah. Cuz the entire way I got into. podcasting was like going on other. people's shows kind of like this and. like getting [ __ ] up. Like I remember. the first podcast I ever went on, uh I. was like nodding out in the chair at the. end of it because I'd stayed up the. night prior and I like packed a bunch of. blow and Zans in my bag and flew out to. LA and like was in my hotel railing.

them. And then I ordered a bottle of. wine cuz I was like, "Dude, I got I'm. not ready to socialize. Bro, I'm only on. Zans and coke. I got to [ __ ] I need a. drink. You know. not ready to talk yet." So, I start. drinking and you know, that doesn't. combine with those two things well. >> Um So, what what are you What what are. your thoughts on like really taking. everything away for a period and. actually just being like, what is. bothering me to the point where I I. would have to be that [ __ ] high to. interact with people? >> I mean, I think I've I've definitely worked on.

that over the years and kind of Like I I. think I just generally am. not very good at socializing without. drugs because it's what I've done for a. decade, you know? And after I started. doing less drugs and just smoking more. weed, weed in itself makes me kind of. more anxious in public places to begin. with, you know? And then I'm already. being like, [ __ ] I don't know how to. talk to these people. I'm not loose. right now. And I really kind of get. stuck in my head about it and like. I think that's something I'm going to. probably struggle with for a long while. yeah from now too. But I I definitely.

notice myself slowly like getting better. about it. >> Yeah, that's How old are you? >> 27. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, yeah, I got time to grow. >> You're coming out of You're coming out. of your 20s. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I still I mean, I'm I've gotten. way better about it. Do you watch. sports? >> A little bit. >> That helps you. That helps social. I. don't watch sports. That's like my. Achilles' heel in social life. Polite. society. I'll go out and they'll be. like, "Did you see the. Broncos?" And I'm like, "Nah, man. I. wish I did. I wish I could share this. with you right now.". >> Casinos are my icebreaker. >> Really? >> table, yeah. >> Ooh. That's nice. >> Play a little baccarat, blackjack, you.

know. >> it up. >> Make four new friends or or enemies, you. know. >> Sure. >> Either way, you talk to them, you know. >> No, that is That's a trick, man. Whenever I'm like find myself. socializing, there is a part of me like. almost narrating the events in my head. as they're taking place and I'm going. like, "What do I really want to talk about?". It's like, "I want to go home" is what I. really want to do. And I'm like, "No, you have to stay here." And I'm like, "All right." And it feels like a, you. know, not performative, but it's just kind of. like, you know, if I really had my. druthers, I would be. chilling out, laying in my bed right.

now. >> Yeah, it's too easy to like get caught. up in my head about like, you know, the. situation at hand instead of just living. in it. >> Yeah. >> You know? That's something that like, I. don't know if being bone sober would fix. that. It probably would, but. >> I don't know. It could not. Like I said, I don't I don't Like again, I I I try to. not be like, "Well, this is what you. need to do." But it's like cuz it's like. maybe over time you get like, you know, you get ex- It's like. any kind of phobia. If you expose. yourself to the stimulus over and over. and over, eventually like, "Oh, this is. actually isn't that scary.".

>> Yep. That's what happened to me with uh. flying. >> Really? I was very scared of flying. >> You just did it over and over. >> used to have to like full-on like pass. the [ __ ] out every flight. And then now. I'm pretty chill. >> That's right. >> But. >> Yeah, same. I was actually very scared, too. But that's. >> [ __ ] is horrifying. We're not supposed. to be up there. >> No. And then when they hit that [ __ ]. turbulence, bro, like I I fly a good. amount and like I've had a pilot explain. it where it's like, "Dude, turbulence, think about it as like waves on an. ocean. If you're on a boat and the boat. If your boat's going up and down, that's. just waves. It's normal. You're fine. He's like, in the area of currents. So, like we're hitting that and it's just as.

natural as a boat hitting [ __ ] water. >> Yep. >> But dude, when it like goes on for a. while and I always look at I always look. at the flight attendant. If I see fear. in their eyes, I'm like, yeah, we're. [ __ ] We're dying. >> they sit down in those jump seats, I'm. [ __ ] tweaking, dude. >> [laughter]. >> I'm tweaking. I mean, I feel like the turbulence, dude, it's got to be something telling. us we're not supposed to be up there, you know? >> True. Could be. Could be God being like, "The [ __ ] out. of here, you. >> I'm not a religious guy until I'm on an. airplane and then I'm [laughter]. I'm pretty [ __ ] religious. >> Born again.

>> Yeah, [ __ ]. >> Well, goddamn, dude. Well, hey. Anything else you want to talk about or. you want to plug or. >> [ __ ]. I don't know, man. It's been fun, you. know? I always love chatting about. drugs. So, if you ever want to do more. of that, you know? >> Yeah, dude, for sure. >> here to yap, you know? >> Absolutely, dude. I think and again, I. want to make sure I hit all the uh. all the things. Like yeah, yeah, your. videos are great. I I just I like the uh. you just have a ton of funny stories. Is. there. Here this is a question I think we could. kind of go out on. >> Okay. >> What What has been like.

you know, cuz you're you're I'm sure. you're Whenever I feel like when people. are doing a lot of drugs, you're around. very colorful characters. >> Oh, yeah. >> What is like the greatest, I would say, tragedy you've witnessed in terms of. like a person just careening into the. absolute abyss? >> [ __ ] dude. Probably my old coke plug. I've had. >> The guy you smoked crack with? >> No, no, different person. Different. person. That guy died, actually. So, yeah, not Well, not thank god, but you. know, just different thing, you know? But yeah, so that guy died, had to get a. new coke plug and he's a very friendly.

guy, a lot of face tattoos, you know? But like kind-hearted dude. But he he. was out of jail on parole for like. already selling blow and like had like a. couple newborn kids that he was raising. and stuff and like everything was going. good and then seemingly like out of. nowhere, his baby mama like I don't know. what happened like between them, but. like he started believing that like she. was cheating on him and the kids weren't. his. And he was like kind of tripping. about that and he would bring it up all.

the time. And then one day. he buys a a shroom chocolate bar off a. friend of mine and he takes it and he. starts tripping the [ __ ] out on shrooms. at like the family house. They're all. staying with like. I don't know if it was his parents or. her parents. They're like staying at the. grandparents' house with the kids to. like take care of them. And he starts. tripping the [ __ ] out and he goes and. like gets in an argument with his girl. in front of the kids and like they get a. little physical but not like anything. crazy just like a you know, a little.

slap back and forth. And then they. separate. Later that night I I don't. know if he took more of the shrooms or. what, but he like had a complete freak. out and he goes in the room his kids are. sleeping in and like beats the [ __ ] out. of them. And like one of the kids took. like permanent damage like vegetative. state like [ __ ] And he got sentenced. for a bunch of [ __ ] up [ __ ] and he's. in jail for like. 15 years I think or something like that. all because one night. And like prior to. that he seemed like he like loved these. kids. Like he really, you know, he.

posted his kids all the time, took care. of He literally. I don't know if this is actually good. taking care of the kids. He'd like have. them in the backseat when he comes serve. me, you know? Like he loved it. They. were there, you know? They were there. So. And then one day he just disappears and. one of my friends sends me the [ __ ]. news article and his girlfriend/baby. mama had a YouTube channel where like. she posted a two-part thing telling the. whole story and like her face is all. [ __ ] up. One of the kids is still in. the hospital. They both lost custody of. the kids. She doesn't have them either.

Like it's [ __ ] dude. That's by far. the most tragic thing I've ever. ever witnessed out of any any drug. addiction. >> maybe that brings me back to my original. point where people need to deal with. their [ __ ] a different way. >> That's sad. That's really sad. Drugs are. not the way. >> No, I mean again it's not Yeah, that's a. tough case cuz it's like yeah, that's a. the dude definitely probably went into. some sort of psychosis. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, he tripped the [ __ ] out. and all it took was just one little. one little dose, you know. >> God damn. >> It's like. >> That's That was like a sudden thing it. seems like almost. >> You got to make sure you're in the right. mental space, you know? Like there's.

definitely a lot of people act like you. don't have to, but like you got to do. some prep work before you do it, you. know? >> Yeah, that's fair. >> Otherwise it can it can get ugly. >> Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty gnarly. It's like pretty much I think it's. gnarly as it gets. >> Yeah. >> Close, close to it. >> I mean, it's it's just it's even worse. nowadays to be I I'd imagine these young. kids who are doing the [ __ ] I did 10. years ago are experiencing way more. tragic [ __ ] now cuz all their friends. are probably croaking on fent. >> Yeah. >> Like it's [ __ ] dude. >> So is is fent popular with kids now the. way like pills were popular with. high schoolers.

>> Yeah, actually there is like there's. even kids that like seek it out, you. know? Cuz it's like. if you're already doing opiates, especially any of the opiate addicts, like kids who are like, "Oh, I just. dabble in Norcos and percs." That's. becoming a rarer breed by the. >> Yeah. >> Cuz all the Norcos and percs now are. fent, you know? And they don't prescribe. that [ __ ] as much anymore, so it's. harder to get, which just makes the fent. more common. >> That's why my rule of thumb is, dude, no. pills. No pills, no powders. Just You. can have a good time smoking weed, doing.

mushrooms, and drinking. If you really. are trying to like party and get after. it, you can have a ball. >> Mhm. >> powder pill free. That's That's where I. That's why I'm always like. I mean, you can you can risk it and be. the man for 30 minutes [ __ ] on blow. or whatever or just like chill out. >> Yeah. >> Still have a You can have a very I took. acid recently and went to a concert. Too much was enough fun for me for like. a decade. I'm good. I'm good on fun for. an entire decade. >> [laughter]. >> But it's like I don't understand That's. the one part of me that's like, how what. where else is it where you're like,

"This is cool, but like" I guess that's. everything. It's like let's just see how. far we can take this. >> Yeah, you know what's really [ __ ]. too, is a lot of like you can't even. rely on normal like reagent test kits. anymore because. >> the amount of fent that it takes for a. test kit to declare that like it's a. positive for fent is like a nanogram. So. like for example, if let's say anyone. that like ever touched the bag of blow. you just bought had ever interacted with. fent in a trace amount, like they had a. little bit on their thumb and they. touched the inside of the bag and like.

or maybe let's say it's a even a reused. bag. So like what's in there is not. fent, but someone reused their bag and. then they pull it out and drop it, it's. going to test positive for fent. >> That's probably good though, you know? >> It is it's good overall, but a lot of. people don't view it that way. They're. like, "Oh, it's saying everything's. fent. I know this isn't fent." So they. just don't They don't test [ __ ]. >> Oh, I see what you're saying. >> You know. >> Yeah, I I guess they they were talking. about they don't want to be wasteful. >> Yeah, I had a I briefly did a collab. with a drug testing kit company and like. we sold a like a couple batches of.

reagent testing kits and I would get the. answer people all the time like, "Dude, I know my plug isn't selling fent. Like. this [ __ ] says it's this." And like it's. like, "Bro, what do you want me to do?" Like Like. the the test says what it is, you know? >> And it's like better safe than sorry if. it's in the house. >> Yeah, like why are you mad at me, bro? Like go talk to your plug. >> Yeah, and it's also like if it's in the. house, it's just a matter of time for. you. >> Exactly. Yeah. So it's. Yeah, I. >> People are never happy. People are never. happy. >> No. >> Try to prevent them from getting the. fent overdose and like, "Dude, this is. [ __ ] annoying.".

>> The most valuable lesson I think I've. ever learned on the internet is just to. not try to make everyone happy. >> You can't. It's impossible. >> work well. >> It's in life, too. It's like you can't. do it in life, especially not the. internet. Yeah, it's impossible. >> Yeah. It's a tough thing to get used to. >> Yeah, man. It is. Especially yeah, you. get a lot of you get a lot of hatred. Do. you get a lot of hatred online or is it. pretty positive? >> I mean, I think. especially since I've started posting. shorts, I get a lot of hate comments. now. >> Really? >> But I think that's just the nature of. shorts in general. Like if you post. anything on TikTok, you know the. comments, that [ __ ] is crazy. I don't.

even view it as hate. It's just like. that's the nature of short comments. Like you crack jokes, you make fun of. whatever you see, like try to get the. most likes, you know? That's That's what. it is. But like. I don't deal with a ton of hate. I think. I. when I was younger and my audience. skewed younger, I got a lot of hate from. like older relatives and I would get. emails from parents of like, "My kid. watched your video and I just found this. and like I got an email There was a mom. who emailed me years ago. This is. probably like 2018, 2017 or some [ __ ].

And she was like, "I like found my son. watching your videos and I just want to. let you know that my son thinks you're. so cool and he's doing this drug, this. drug, this drug and like he's ruining. his [ __ ] life because of you and like. >> Yeah, seems like a. >> I get those, you know, but I don't view. those even as hate comments. It's like. honestly, bro, if I was a parent, I'd. probably write the message too. You. know? >> Yeah, I mean also I mean if the stuff of. yours I've watched, you're not very. You're not being like, "Dude, go out. there and go crazy." It's more so like. this is This is what happens when you do. this. It's There's good stuff and.

there's bad stuff. >> Yeah, I try very hard to not encourage. people to go do anything, but I mean. regardless they're going to go do it. either way if they want to, you know? >> That's That's also funny to be like, "How about you police your kid?" You. can't. >> Yeah, yeah, why you You want me to. parent him, dude? Send him over to my. house for a [ __ ] playdate? >> Send him to summer camp. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, literally send him to wilderness. camp, dude. Put him in the [ __ ] woods. for 3 months, please. >> [laughter]. >> Do something with him. >> Well, it is Yeah, it's a charged. subject. Drugs are a charged subject. Everyone's has feelings one way or the. other, so yeah, I guess that is kind of.

You can only You can only kind of go. [clears throat] off like what works for. you and what doesn't. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, for the love of god, stay off the. fence, dude. >> Yeah, stay off the fence. That's a good. message to send. >> Yeah, I think that's a fair one. A fair. [laughter] one. Well, dude, thank you. >> Thank you, dude. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. >> you, man. >> This was uh This was a good time. >> Yeah, man. >> You should uh come out to LA sometime. Come on my show. >> If I'm out there, I will for sure. >> up, dude. I'd love to have you. >> Hell yeah. >> [ __ ] yeah. >> Later, bro. >> Peace out, guys. >> Watch new episodes of Matt and Shane's. Secret Podcast on Spotify. >> Do it.