Ep 608 - WrestleMania (feat. Cody Rhodes)

THE WOW-WOW WIZ. >> HEY, you're not masturbating in here, are you? >> WHAT HAPPENED, GUYS? >> [screaming]. >> WHAT ARE YOU DOING? >> [laughter]. >> WHAT ARE YOU DOING? SORRY, MAN. I WAS IN HERE. What. happened, man? What happened, man? What are you doing [clears throat] in. here, baby? >> [laughter]. >> Get in here, baby. GET IN HERE AGAIN. >> [laughter]. >> YEAH. OH, GOD. >> [laughter]. >> OH, MAN.

>> DON'T PUT THE belt Don't put the belt. [laughter] on me. >> You know, this is a. Let's see. You got quite a scene in. here. >> [laughter]. >> Let's see what's going on. >> I don't know what you were doing. You. were just chilling. >> No, this free spirit living in it. >> He's watching the rise and fall of. Reggie Jackson. >> Oh, man. It's pretty [clears throat]. good. Well, thanks for uh thanks for. having me in your house. [laughter]. Thank you so much, dude. This is something. >> [laughter]. >> This is the type of energy I needed. today. It's my guy. All right, man. We're going.

to go do this pod. What we got going on? >> I'm sure it's on the TV. I'll be in. there. >> Why do you have it so loud? [laughter]. You're right there. Oh, man. I love this All right, man. We're going to go to work. >> Yeah, I'll be I'm coming. >> [laughter]. >> How does it feel? >> I don't know. That was the last thing I. expected to see. >> Yeah, the bag's on you. >> Yeah, [laughter] the bag's on me. >> Hello. >> Lamar's going to cry. >> Lamar, you.

>> Are [laughter] you crying, Lamar? >> I'm not crying, dude. I'm just very surprised. >> A good surprise. >> Yeah. >> It's a nice surprise, dude. >> It was tough to keep you out. Normally, you're asleep by 1:00. >> [laughter]. >> So, I thought I thought we could sneak. in there while he'd still be asleep. >> Yeah, that'd be nice. >> Instead, he's been. >> of him. >> He tried to go to the gym this morning, and I had to be like, "No, dude. Get. back in your room. I have a meeting.". >> I told [laughter] him I had a meeting, and he was like, "Oh, okay.". >> I have a meeting works really well on a.

lot of people. >> it Yeah. >> I have a comment now. I I don't think. it's even like the parlance anymore, but. I have one where I tell my one buddy, and he knows. I'll be like, "All right, I I got to zoom.". And the zooms I don't think people are. even zooming anymore, but he knows that. just means I'm leaving. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> I got to go. >> It's a good move. >> Well, what's going on? >> Thanks for coming. Told you we're. appreciate you, man. >> We're starting in Austin, huh? >> Yeah. This is it. >> Yeah. >> My My dad grew up in uh East Austin, and. I feel like I forget that. >> Yeah. >> I feel bad because I'll come into town.

I got two. nephews who are at the University of. Texas. Just. >> That's awesome. >> forget to say hi. >> Breeze right over them. >> They're out there doing it, yeah. >> You can say hi to them today? >> Nope. >> Nope. >> You got a [ __ ]. zoom meeting. >> Yeah, I got a zoom. [laughter]. >> Damn, your dad's from East Austin. I. didn't know that. >> Yeah, I know. He was He was from East. Austin. His His whole story. uh coming up in Austin. was just like especially when he got. into his his wrestling career and the. American dream. He was the a plumber's. son.

My grandfather, Virgil, was a plumber. But the story he would tell, and you see. it in a lot of the old. old territory wrestling interviews is. that like they were down on their luck. style plumber. But my mom knows better. He was a. non-union plumber who was killing it. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> He was doing very well, and Dusty. My dad was like his pride and joy. You. see all these pictures of him in like. full-blown brand new cowboy outfits and.

like the red wagon and everything. I. mean, they weren't. super super rich or anything like that, but it's funny to hear the the story as. it's told later in my dad's career cuz. you know, I'm the common man that you. know, his dad was a plumber. I came up. all in the streets. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, there's some elements of. that I don't know about, you know. >> [laughter]. >> A lot of big like my life ends up very. much Have you seen the movie Big Fish? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. So, my life I felt like that movie hit me in. a way that no movie has ever hit me.

When my dad passed away and we. were at his service, it is. literally like the scene in Big Fish. where you you realize, man, a lot of this stuff was real? Like a lot of these stories were jeez, like these characters are. it's accurate, which is a crazy thing to. think. But yeah, his. the lore it was there. >> You're just calling him out on that one. detail. >> Well, this is what this is I don't mind. it cuz like hey, he's a plumber's son.

They grew up on a like. so yeah, it's real. It's real, but it's. real, but I always laugh like my mom. knows a little better on that how he was. he was treated very well. Yeah. >> Yeah, I like to hit my dad with that my. dad I like to tell him he was fake poor. My dad he loves crying poor. Oh, I'm one. of 10. We didn't have a pot to pee you. know, all that [ __ ] It's like bro, you're a spoiled dude. >> Shut up. >> [laughter]. >> He's spoiled. He He called we call it a Springsteen. when you pretend to be more working. class than you are. It's Bruce. Springsteen. He's like.

>> I feel like that's maybe all. generational. >> Yeah. >> Is they seem to. for how bad it was, they seemed to have get everything they. ever wanted, you know? Everybody got the the big family and. everything and I I get it. >> College was 20 bucks. House House was. $150. Yeah, they're doing great. >> And then so cuz we're talking about your. hours sleeping hours. What's what. When are you up? When are you down? >> That's a good question actually. >> Lamar, when are you up? When are you. down? >> Wait, why are you talking to me?

>> No, no, this is actually important. >> no. What are you trying to talk [ __ ]. What the [ __ ] are you talking about? >> Lamar, we we've got [laughter]. we've got guys in our group that run at. a completely different speed that. they're you know if you text him at 7:00. a.m. you'll receive a reply at 1:00 p.m. That's when he's up. >> It's kind of most of the squad. >> Okay, yeah. >> Other than Matt. Matt's awake. The rest. of the squad is. >> See, I'm from like a different I think. I'm misplaced in time. I'm up super. early. I'm a total goody two-shoes. I'm.

also a real let everyone know I'm. working real hard here, guys. Like. [laughter] it's. >> Speaking of my language. >> Most of the guys who wake up early let. everyone know they're up early. >> Yeah, they're really like it's a. contest. >> "Just you know, I'm awake right now." I. do it every single time. >> It's It's the best. >> it like cuz we were just filming a TV. show and I had to wake up every day like. 6:00. Every day I would text all my. friends be like, "Dude, wake up, you. bombs, dude.". >> The struggle, man. >> Get up. Jesus Christ, I'm already. working. >> There is something beautiful to getting. up early in the morning. There's a whole. day that you don't that's just. >> Yeah, it is nice. It's awesome.

>> I I discovered this super old man thing. that I do. I was describing it as maybe. the most old man thing I do. We just. went to the beach with my girls. >> Mhm. >> And I go down to the beach right when. the. the I guess the. chair part like the chairperson opens. and I'm there waiting to get my beach. chairs. And then I put stuff in the. chairs. >> Yep. >> so that people know these these are. >> Yeah, these chairs are Yep.

>> These are These are taken. And I so I. was standing around with a group of men. that. were much older. >> [laughter]. >> Talking about things a lot different. than what I would be talking around. And. I thought, "This is Yeah, this is where. I'm supposed to be.". >> Yeah. >> This is me. >> Now, I have two little kids. Every Any. chance you can get to just like get it. like a solo 15 minutes is pretty nice. >> Yeah. >> I would I would I would I would wake up. where at the beach. I would wake up. like, "I got to set the tent up now. I'm. going to set it up." You know, it's nice. too. You're like, "Oh, it's probably low. tide now. I'm going to push it back a. little. High tide's coming." You just. >> You start gauging the tides. >> This is all [ __ ].

>> [laughter]. >> I know the tides. >> Bro, I love that, though. >> You're thinking about the tides. I don't. know how long this lasts or when they go. back out. I've no clue. >> Now, you got to just be. >> you're thinking about the tides. >> Got to, man. >> That's the type of talk I want. >> Yeah. You can I just make it up. I just. make it up. I go out there and just go. like, "Yeah, it's probably low tide. coming in.". >> This is my theory on it. You guys, with. your kids, >> Mhm. >> you can be wrong about everything all. the time to your little kid. You can go, "Yeah, the sun explodes at night.". >> Yeah. >> And they're going, "Holy shit.". >> Yeah, but then they start going to. school and then they start calling you.

>> I think for like 6 years, you have you. have just like, "I've never been wrong.". >> No, you. >> wrong in 6 years. I can say anything. >> Complete free reign, but. >> It's going to be gone in 20 minutes. >> Yeah, I'm I'm running up against. kindergarten right now. She's debunked a. couple of last things and I'm like, "Yeah, well, your teacher doesn't know.". >> She's starting to investigate the. investigators. [laughter]. She's starting to find out some things. >> Yeah, you're undefeated for a while. >> Yeah. >> You're undefeated, but it's also to the. tides thing, just to get back. >> Sure. >> You're not totally wrong. Yeah, do you. do you I feel like you may not know.

exactly what you mean as like low tide, high tide. There's something to what you're saying. that's accurate. >> Absolutely. >> It's come water's coming in, water's. going out. >> going to happen. I'd I'd be surprised if. anybody here knew the timing, like how long is it the high tide and. low tide. >> See, I I I got to observe the. >> like 12 hours or. >> No, it's like I think it's every. >> the moon controls the tides. >> the tides or something. >> You're ready to go. >> Yeah, I can talk tides. >> fact. >> I can talk tides. >> Well, I got to I look at wet sand and. then I and I if I see the waves aren't.

exactly making it to the wettest point, I go, "Tide must be going out.". >> out. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, man, you're undefeated right now. >> What I would have liked [laughter] What. I would have liked when we visited. LaMarr's room was for you to see he has. a secret cabinet of. >> Oh. >> guys. >> Ooh. >> A shrine. >> He has a shrine of guys. >> Yeah. >> You took down the shrine? You got made. fun of too much? >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> What was the shrine? >> No, you saw it getting some [ __ ] in. there and you had to. >> I tried to shrine it. >> [laughter]. >> LaMarr, what was the shrine?

>> It was just like uh. It was like a Kofi Kingston and Orange. Cassidy. >> OC? >> Yeah. >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah, he had figures in there and we. were like, "Well, man, dude, it's time. to put down the figures.". >> [laughter]. >> But, he had them hidden in one of the. cabinets. >> What? Honestly, why did you put them. down? Why why'd you take them down? >> Um. I don't know. I just. I don't know. It's just like. >> you, if if you have a a lady friend in. there, be you. Keep your figures up, man. >> True that. Keep.

I'd say keep your. >> You you went in there. You can't. >> [laughter]. >> You can't be self if a woman's in there. >> I mean, it is. >> "I'm watching cartoons and [laughter]. playing on my video game.". >> It was a lot of I I noticed a lot of. sensory overload. >> Yeah. >> TV was [clears throat] jacked up. >> [laughter]. >> on a documentary and then you were. playing your RGB. Then you were deep in. that. Uh obviously, there. cannabis swirling [laughter] in the air. >> A lot of.

weed as well. >> And then like a very makeshift cleaning. system where. >> [laughter]. >> things were stacked. >> Yeah, yeah. He's waiting to clean these. >> Yeah, he stacks [laughter] them weekly. >> I'm on my way to cleaning. That's your. rings of a tree. You can see last time. he cleaned it by the layers of trash. You go, "That was April.". >> Oh, man. >> [laughter]. >> Well, be proud of your figures, man. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, don't don't be afraid of that. >> jealous. My nephew has all my figures. now. >> Yeah. >> And I saw them and I was like, "Fuck, I. was wondering where those went.".

>> [laughter]. >> I want them back, dude. >> Did you take them back? >> I should. >> Any any grails in there? Any. >> thing that was real. I was a big DX guy. So, I was like. when I saw the DX figures, I was like, "Damn, I wish I had those guys back.". Stone Cold, obviously. It's a classic. >> What was it about DX that would you. Was it them just. >> They were just being bad boys. >> Don't suck it. >> Suck it was incredible. Suck it was. huge. That was the biggest I don't know what. the. >> our 67. >> Yeah, it was. >> Every single kid if a camera was on them.

>> I [laughter] I don't know if that like. what genius it was if that was X-Pac. himself or there's just like an absolute. genius somewhere that was like here's. what we're going to do cuz that was one. of my favorite things. >> you know who came up with suck it? >> So, I think if you kind of pull the. thread on suck it. uh it there's going to be a two or three. guys who try to say it was them because. at first people were doing crotch chop. >> Yep. >> And DX classic WWE style, let's market. this. But our arms and it's a whole another. thing. I'm going to say it's all it's.

someone it's a X-Pac. It probably if anything Shawn Michaels. would get the credit for it because he. was doing this. >> Yeah. >> kind of before, but it's like the Fargo. strut which is what Ric Flair does that. whole deal. If you really look at it. it's hard always determine who came up. with it first. More wrestling the rule. is whoever got it over. Whoever made it famous becomes theirs. especially like the 70s and 80s. They. were just Bob Dylan songs just straight. ripping the lyrics and putting them into.

promos. They would do similar stuff in. different territories but there's no. cable at the time. >> Yeah. >> So, it was really whoever marketed and. patented prime example Hulk Hogan's Hulk. up. Every wrestling babyface pretty much. used to do the hit you nope not anymore. and they'd start coming back start. coming back and then he made it such a. big thing the Hulk up was so the finger. point that nobody else could do it. anymore. And if you do it today. >> Yeah. >> you're like a crazy person. If you try. to Hulk up at any point even though that.

was a common babyface. Basically they'd. be selling hey I'm done with you hitting. me. >> Yeah. >> Like now I'm coming back and the crowd. can feel it. But yeah, wrestling whoever. gets it over it's theirs. >> So, it's Pac's pretty much it's X-Pac. >> so, yeah. >> That's awesome. >> him or Shawn. >> Tony Yayo came up with you can't see me. >> Yeah. He came. >> think so? >> Hold on, here we go. Lemurs activated. >> be like by the rules John Cena got it. more over, you know? >> I don't know. Tony Yayo did it in a. in a like get rich or die trying.

>> [laughter]. >> But Justin's been doing it for 20. plus years, you know? >> Where Where do you stand on I think. you're going to be the the. you're going to be the boat. >> [laughter]. >> And where. Where does it. It's John, right? >> You're taking it from Yayo and giving. >> Yeah, Yayo will get you, dude. >> [laughter]. >> I'm going to have him break in your room. later. this week. >> How many people go in his room, by the. way? Was that. >> Not many. You're one of Most people. don't make it back. That's a tough. >> How many ladies refuse?

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Why? >> Yeah, man. >> Uh. I don't know. I just I don't know. I. want to go. I. I'm just I don't know. >> He got me back into He got me back into. wrestling with a Mania like two two. years ago. >> Dude, I'd like to say I got Jelly Roll. into wrestling, too. I was really into. it. >> Yeah. >> So, you're responsible for cuz Jelly is. like full-blown wrestler now. >> Yeah. >> Jelly loves it. >> How did you get him into it? >> We were. We're. We're in this car during a natural. festival.

And we were smoking, and then we're. hanging out, and then uh. I was like, we're Raw Raw was on Monday, and I was like, I would like to go, and. he was like, you should go. He saw it. was a Harley. I think was doing the guessing, and he. was like, dude, I want to do that, and I. was like, bro, you should definitely do. that. >> Damn. >> Making validate. >> Jelly Roll is a big part of what we do. now. >> Yeah. >> Thank thank you. >> So, that was Lemaire. >> Yeah, yeah, Lemaire. >> The guy sitting next to a guy going, I I. think I'm going to do that, and he goes, yeah, you should. >> [laughter].

>> Yeah, that was all me. >> That was me, dude. >> Yeah, but well, you got to come to. Mania, man. It's Vegas. >> Oh, man. >> You got to come to Mania. But did you. did you get You got into it because of. >> He got me into it for a minute. It was. It was during WrestleMania, and I was. like, Lemaire, turn this [ __ ] I don't. like watching wrestling. Turn this off. Then I started watching it and I was. like, oh my god. >> [laughter]. >> And then we were watching it. Actually, I watched the last few Manias when. years when Taker came back and like all. that. I was laying on this couch. Yes, I.

was laying on this couch and then when. the lights went out and Taker came back, I was like. >> [laughter]. >> It brought you back. >> Everything came back. I was like, holy. [ __ ]. >> He I I've told this story before, but he. ran to the ring with two brand new, I. believe either hips or knees. He had. just had double. And this was the first. time he'd run. But the the blackout when we do it in. the stadiums or in the arenas, it's not. full like it is on TV. It's you can see. a bit and he rolled in the ring in a way.

that he could have probably killed a. full-blown lion. >> [laughter]. >> He had such. testosterone and so I mean, he was so. ready to be standing up and for that. moment. It was incredible just to see. how agile why I'm such a great athlete. >> Uh agile he was, but then again, in the. moment he hits the joke slam on on Rock. and I told him when he was on my. podcast, but I can't believe it happened. this way. He literally looked over to me. and I think I missed the moment a little. bit cuz I think he was looking for a.

little bit of I got you, kid. Sheriff's. leveled the playing field here. >> But I was just half dead from whatever. Roman and I had done, but he he. completely just winked at me. Lights. went out. I I. >> Dude, that's so sick. >> I I was in it. Every I was so like, man. It's again like the big fish element of. it. With what we do, the suspension of. disbelief, what's real, what's not, you. cannot convince me that he's not. magical. >> [laughter].

>> He caused his lights to go out. and saved my WrestleMania. So, do you. know that's how my Eagles love all that. all started? >> No, I had no idea. >> Okay, so. I bounced around NFL wise. I'm from. Georgia. I'm from Marietta, Georgia. So, as far as teams to root for in Georgia. that are safe, the Bulldogs in Athens, can never go wrong with UGA. The Braves. The Braves are going to consistently be. a good team. I got really into the Falcons as a kid.

Uh Michael Michael Vick came on board. That's awesome. Two season tickets sold. out. I was wearing that number seven. jersey every day. I was all about it. And then the worst thing that could have. possibly happened in the state of. Georgia. >> Yeah. >> And then we fell off as a fandom. And. then of course Matty Ice and the the. comeback. So, I always love my home. team, but I never I was never fully. juiced in. >> Yeah. >> My sister, my older sister, she ended up her big dream growing up,

she wanted to cheer for the Cowboys. So, she cheered for the Cowboys for two. seasons. So, most of my family are are. Cowboys fans, but I never really had a. team. So, I bounced all around. Every year I. just kind of take a pick. Hey, this is I. like a good SEC quarterback, I'll follow. him. I my favorite arena to perform in arena. is Wells Fargo in Philadelphia. It's a. hard arena. They like the bad guys more. And for. whatever reason on a night I had nothing.

going on. This is money in the bank. years ago. I'm sorry, I'm looking at. you, Lamera. Like you. >> Lamera, I I exact guaranteed it does. >> You know, and uh the way the story we. told the match was like maybe they'll. get behind Cody cuz this is kind of a an. odd group that we don't have a running. favorite. Maybe they'll get behind him. They got behind me in this match and the. story of the match was more about me. losing than winning, but after that I. thought so strange. I'm a nepo baby in. the business. A lot's been handed to me. I've.

This is a type of crowd that wouldn't. take to me. And from years of performing. in front of them, they did. So, I always. had this Philly love. >> Mhm. >> Fast forward to the biggest match of my. life and where my whole life changes and. why the title exists like why I have it. here is there on the link is. WrestleMania 40. Um. and I after that I just couldn't I mean. I dressed in their locker room. I. >> Yeah, that's awesome. >> My life was my life changing as an. entertainer in the wrestling business. all discussed right there.

in that infrastructure. So, I just felt I'm in. I'm I'm in. >> Go Birds. >> Good team. >> Go Birds. >> Like yeah, like. >> Go Birds again. >> great conversation with Sirianni, everything like a great team. I'm in and. and cry you know I everything he did I. felt like I just something about this. place. I'm. >> Fast forward to I want to take my. some of the camera guys and one of our. writers at WWE his name's Kirsh and our. director. They want to go to this.

Phillies Raiders game. uh in Philadelphia. Like they want to go. to the Eagles Raiders game in. Philadelphia and uh. I was like, oh we can do it. We can make. it work. And I I didn't want to go. through anybody. I just got a suite, got. it catered. I didn't try to do any of. these hookups. The same game that I did this Joe Biden. was at. And. I'm not kidding. They treated me better. than they treated Joe Biden. >> That's kind of unsurprising. >> sense. I know [laughter] those guys.

>> I got pictures of me on the field. throwing the ball. I I stood by the. tunnel. They made everyone in my crew. feel amazing. All we So, afterwards. we're going to leave. We've had the best. experience ever, especially some of the. crew who this was just all of it was a. bonus. Hey, come back. Come in the. locker room. Going in the locker room, doing some local access interview about. how the offensive line played that day. >> And I'm just talking. nonsense, but it they treated me like a. native son. So, every time I go it gets.

deeper. Like I can't cuz my mom the. other day she asked me she was why are. you an Eagles fan? Nothing ever good. happened there. And I'm thinking. You were you were in the you were in the. ring [laughter] Michelle. THAT'S WHERE THEY PLAY, YOU KNOW. But yeah, that's where that's where it. all started. So I'm new I'm new. >> It's fun. >> But man, they do they been so good to. me. >> Yeah, the Eagles are awesome. >> Yeah, also going back to the nepo baby. thing. I I don't like that idea at all. I hear you hear about like Ice Cube's. son all this stuff and it's like.

the idea of somebody working hard and. then putting their kids in a good. position to like work hard and do good. stuff. And people resent that. I'm like. I look at it like a Roman senator. It's. like you're just bringing more glory to. the house. Yeah, so it's like yeah dude it's like. house O'Shea Jackson he brings glory to. the house of Cube. You bring you bring glory to the house. of Rhodes. I don't that whole thing I I. just I'm just not with that man. >> Bro, it's spot on. That's. that's it. I mean the song as I'm a. super dramatic person when it comes to.

wrestling. I take it so seriously for. how often silly the job actually is. But. I mean the first words of my song are. wrestling has more than one royal family. and it's all about, you know, the. Hearts, the McMahons, the Guerreros and. finally getting a little hey the Rhodes. are here dude. You know, we're we're. going to run the score up. >> Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I I. think that's awesome. When you hear. people like. it's like dude tell your dad to do. better man. >> [laughter]. >> Tell your dad to step it up.

>> So. anybody who brings their kids around. work and their if they're like young. boys or whatever and they're thinking. about getting into wrestling I always. tell them like hey, it's going to be. easy for you. Private jets, you're not. going to be commercial [laughter] and I. can always see like their parents like. stop. You get on the tour bus. Like don't hey. you got a little heat in the locker. room. That's okay. They're just just if. it's going to be bad just lean into it. >> Yeah. >> Lean into it, you know. Like. WrestleMania somebody called me the. golden boy yesterday in a backstage. pre-tape or a few weeks ago on TV.

And I thought hilarious because I used. to be a job guy here. Uh, I started very. low here. But after that I decided I'm going to. just go in on this and my Mania gear. Lot of gold. Like real. >> Yeah, it was sick. >> Real little bit of a under the under the. cowl little. >> Yeah, yeah, you know? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, you got to go, dude. >> He was hardcore Holly like seems like a. cool dude. >> Big Bob? >> Yeah.

>> Um. >> Do you have any uh bodybuilders in your. in [laughter] your life? >> No. Just just me. >> Yeah. >> Matt Matt's been juiced up for a. [laughter] while. >> So he was the first guy who taught me. how. to train, but his life consisted of. one night I drove him from Jamestown, New York to somewhere upstate, New York. in the middle of a blizzard and we get. to a Red Roof Inn. at 7:00 a.m. Legit. Barely This is just. been brutal. The show is not till 7:30.

the next day and I asked him when he. wanted to meet and he's the old-school. guy. who they didn't just set times. They'd. say, "Oh, call me when you wake up.". That thing. Like no, tell me the time cuz that's. [laughter] weird, all right? But he was like, "I don't know. What is. it? 7:30 now? Let's say meet at 10:00.". >> What? >> Yeah, it's. >> Sleep for 2 hours. >> What? >> And we'd work out, we'd eat. Then we'd have nothing to do. We'd eat. again. Uh, he was just very much the.

first guy I met. That was one thing he. did right by me. He taught me about I. guess proper training and proper. nutrition and took me to the gym and as. far as a tag team partner, he was one of. the toughest guys in the locker room, so. no one ever really. messed with any of us. Um, but then. other nights he'd scare me. >> I think [laughter] he. >> Like. one night I was in the shower and you. know those soap caddies, the things you. put a bar of a bar of soap. I guess I. was taking too long and he was getting. frustrated with them anyways and all of.

a sudden that soap caddy flew by my head. and shattered against the shower wall at. like a. a a Mariano Rivera speed to the point. where I hope he wasn't aiming for me cuz. that would have killed me. >> [laughter]. >> But no, he was uh he he he he has a very. grumpy reputation but I had at the time. I got nothing but respect for it because. I needed that. I needed I think that's. why they put us together. Give him the. most curmudgeon I mean his name is.

Hardcore Holly. Uh let's let's see how they do. He'd do. uh. One thing he did that would always be a. lesson but a tough lesson. Sometimes he. did way cooler stuff than me in the. ring. And then they'd build the the big. hot tag we call it. The guy's getting. beat up, he's getting beat up, he's. getting beat up. Finally the the other. team they're going to power play style. switch the odds here. And sometimes instead of him getting. beat up to tag me in and give me this. big glorious moment, he'd just grab a.

guy in a full Nelson and pick him up and. slam him which is a full Nelson slam. which is a finish basically. >> [laughter]. >> And then he'd just walk over and tag me. like this. And I'd get in and like uh punch. >> [laughter]. >> Drop kick. And I was already like really plucky so. like yeah baby and like. this guy. So he he was he was the exact right. person. Uh still friendly with him to. the to this day I think. Uh the exact. right person I needed in my life. A wild. one and but never never did anything.

crazy or unsafe cuz he's got a lot of. weird stories. He was great by me. What. I needed at the time. >> What what is the training like then? Cuz. you got like it's almost probably. similar to bodybuilding but then you. probably have to do a lot of like I. don't know like agility, balance, flexibility so you don't just like jump. off a thing and rip everything. >> Today, it's uh the way NXT operates, which is our developmental system, the. Performance Center. I. I won't. I like how I came up, uh which was a.

different system. I came up, I went to. OVW, where you got with like-minded. people. You'd sit there and watch. wrestling. This is before the network. It was WWE on demand. It was like 7, 9. like on the cable package. >> Mhm. >> You could watch MSG Network shows and. stuff like that. I got around people who. liked wrestling. I'd go to the gym. They'd That was it If you liked it, you'd click. Today, it's all They've got. it all mapped out really well. They've. got exactly what you mentioned. They've.

got agility. They've got multiple rings, including one that has a an extra layer. of pad and bounce if you're going to try. big high spots. They've got Shawn. Michaels. Again, we're talking about. probably the greatest in the ring ever, so that's. >> That's your head coach. >> Mhm. >> How could you not be good? The system. they have down down there with the. Performance Center now is designed for. the NIL athlete, because they're used to. it. I came from baseball. I came from. football. I came from gymnastics. So, they need all that. They need a room. that's a recovery suite. They need a.

full-blown weight room, which they have. They need all that. When I came up, you. were just doing it. >> Yeah. >> Yourself? Which I liked, because you. found like-minded people. I remember my. whole class of coming up from OVW, but. this system now, it's a lot healthier. >> Yeah. >> healthier to get everybody ready. But, the bodybuilding aspect of it, because. since 2007, they've the wellness policy is there. So, the bodybuilding aspect of it, there's a couple OGs still who treat it.

that way. For the most part, it's uh. it's all shapes and sizes again. >> Yeah. >> Little '80s, '70s style, where. not everyone is shredded to the gills. and. not moving as There's a lot of I guess. better athletes I suppose, yeah. >> less juicing. >> I would try to put it in. >> [laughter]. >> Cuz those boys were flying, dude. Old wrestling. >> You nailed it. >> Yeah. You nailed it. You nailed. >> [laughter]. >> See old wrestling, see a guy sprint out. like Ultimate Warrior. I'm not saying he.

was Well, he probably definitely was, but. >> [laughter]. >> see him just sprint out of the [ __ ]. tunnel, you're like, "This guy is the. highest guy I've ever seen in my life, dude.". >> They uh. >> It's kind of awesome, though. >> Yeah. There's this crazy clip. of Road Warrior Hawk, I think, running This is pre-WWE, but talking. about that type of energy and. flowing through the veins. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He's running out in a studio TV show, so. his distance he needs to move is about. 10 ft to the ring, and then he's going. to have to turn to face the little.

studio camera. Forget if he was saving my dad or if. they were saving somebody, but he's. running with such. everything that he jumps the top rope, nearly hangs himself. The rope gets and then he's able as. strong as a bull and the adrenaline and. speed yanks his head out, save the fall, so he never falls. He jumps to the top. rope where his head gets caught in it, but he never loses his feet, but then. he's You know when you're falling and. you need something to catch? He catches. himself.

on the top rope where they're all like. this anyways, like looking at the heel, come on. >> Oh, he nearly What the. >> Like you know the conversation after had. to be like, "What the That was nearly. died, [laughter] like dude.". >> Just running. >> Like when Ric Flair when he he's old, but when he like runs into the. turnbuckle and like bounces off of it. >> Oh, yeah. >> He's He's just flying. >> I think Nature Boy, if you were to shoot. him in today, >> Yeah. >> you know, that he could flip up upside. down. He's He's He's got it. >> What about the Shockmaster? You think he. was a little juiced on it? Andre?

>> Well, the Shockmaster. >> might have been juiced on that. >> Shockmaster's connected to my family. I. don't know if you know. >> Oh, I didn't know that. >> So, uh he's no longer married to my aunt. Bobby, but that was my uncle Fred. >> What? >> And my dad. I'm trying to word this nicely cuz I. don't know. I was a kid. Seems like my. dad was trying to help Fred out. >> Okay. >> Mhm. >> And seemed like he was trying to give. him a role. He had great run at WWE as. Typhoon and Tugboat. So, Shockmaster was the role.

I don't like to dis. It doesn't seem like the idea was that. well thought out. >> it was a stormtrooper mask. It was a. bedazzled. >> [laughter]. >> It's a bedazzled stormtrooper mask. >> It's a stormtrooper helmet. That Janie. Engles. >> Like the funniest [ __ ]. >> spray painted silver spray paint on it. [laughter]. >> But the story the story I've heard is. that it wasn't Fred's fault uh because. before when they did Flair for a gold. the. he this guy ends up falling as he busts.

[snorts] through a wall, his helmet. falls off, and it's [laughter]. >> He's. >> The whole thing's dead in the water at. that moment. >> The best part about that is Sid who's. going to WWE's Hall of Fame right now is. still trying to hang on to it. Most. people in that group are. >> Like, ooh. >> This this ain't good. We got to get out. of here. >> Mhm. >> We can't just go well, cut. You know, it's a live always with us. But Sid's. going, "Who is that?". >> [laughter]. >> He's trying to stay in, but the thing.

that Fred told everybody is there was a. board a guy named Jackie Crockett who. was cameraman. He put that board there. to just make sure the Flair for the gold. cuz it was just a three-wall set doesn't. fall. That board apparently was not. there earlier in the day, and that board. is what did it. I don't know any way. which this ever would have worked. Say. he emerges through the wall in his. stormtrooper. >> Yeah, there's like there you go. >> this fur vest. >> I'm the Shockmaster. >> And Ole Anderson who's doing his voice. from somewhere else.

>> [laughter]. >> He's like Yeah, it's not him talking. He's like lip syncing like he's talking. It's [laughter] so crazy. >> Well, okay. So, this happens and it's funny to the. entire wrestling world. Some stuff is so. bad it's funny. We call it a monitor. sellout where it's just oh my god, it's. gone so bad. Looking like let's stay, but I had a very interesting ride home. because my dad was mortified and I'm. pretty sure he thought he was going to. be fired by Ted Turner and TBS. My uncle.

was not going to make it in that role. That wasn't going to So, we just drove. home from wherever that was in dead. silence. Like they lost the games, like. that type of So, all we ever talked. about was wrestling and how cool that. was, but I knew like. >> We do we do this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And you bomb, you get in the car with. everyone. drive home silently. >> Yeah, the bit the bit didn't work out. Someone says one thing, like dude, shut. the [ __ ] up. Seriously, I don't want to. >> That's a bad drive.

>> Yeah, and there's always the one guy. trying to be like, let's go to Taco Mac. or something. No, man. Like yeah. >> My friends, yeah. We have a this I'm. thinking of the [snorts] mashup. It's the funniest bomb ever. My two. friends went on stage together and just. the crowd [ __ ] hated them. And then. we get in the car and we're driving back. to our place and it's just dead silent. And then finally it's like, you guys. suck. And then they were like, okay, all. right. Yeah, that's pretty funny. Yeah, we suck. And then after like an hour of. me making fun of them, the one dude just. lost his mind and tried to fight me. >> Oh, no. [laughter]. >> We had a chair, isn't it? We had like a.

house with like five of us. There's one. chair we'd all play video games. If you. bomb, you'd be like, dude, you got to. sit in the bomb chair. You bombed. tonight. You got to sit in the bomb. chair. He kept bringing up the mashup. Yeah, and he stood up fully like fight. me right now. I can't. >> I thought he was joking, too. He like. went in the kitchen. He was like, you. [ __ ]. >> [laughter]. >> So, I got in his face joking. I was like and then I realized he was. serious. I was like, ooh, he might. He might murder me. >> Do you feel it's important though, the. passion in terms of when you bomb or. have that moment, you need to have that. bad night, right?

>> Uh yeah, for sure. But, I would never. Yeah, I don't know why I would say. never. I spazzed on so many people after. I bombed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, that happens. >> Think you need that bad night. >> It's embarrassing though when you. if you bomb and then you get mad at. somebody else. >> Yeah. >> You got to be mad at yourself. >> Yeah. I almost I almost threw a can of. Liquid Death just the other night. I. flubbed the last like two words of my. closer. I just [laughter] like [ __ ] up the. close and flubbed the words and I was. like, "Ah, all right. Yeah, you guys got. the idea. I'm out of here. Sorry about. that." And I walked backstage and I was.

getting like ready just to hurl a full. Liquid Death and I saw a camera above. me. I'm like, "Yeah, maybe I'll just. chill." So, I just squeezed it. privately. I put it against my chest and. squeezed it. >> [laughter]. >> There I saw it. Like, right before you took a break from. stand-up, I I you got off stage at. Helium and I was on the other side of. the door and I was just like, "Ooh, that. sucked." You were like, "Fuck!". >> [laughter]. >> Oh, never mind. >> Normally if you bomb, you can just be. like laugh it off. But, every once in a. while you'll see someone like fully like.

>> No, dude. The worst we did a comedy. contest in New Jersey. >> That was sick. >> And I I had like an okay set and I. remember the guy came up after me and. was just like, "Yeah, this guy started. just like trashing me." And I was. watching it and I was like. >> He was sitting next to me and he was. like, "You motherfucker.". >> Shane's laughing. I'm like, "It's not. funny.". >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> And then I I I chilled out for sure. But, I remember he was done. He was with. his girlfriend. I like walked up to him. This was like hours later. Walked up to. him. I'm like, "Yeah, that was pretty. funny, man." He was like, "Oh, okay.". And I was like, "No, seriously. Never do.

that again." I like pulled him in. I'm. like, "Never do that again. I'll [ __ ]. kill you. I swear to god.". >> [laughter]. >> He was like, "Dude, relax. I'm just. kidding.". >> He was right. I was just being a spaz. But, yeah. >> No, it's okay. >> As far as like wrestling promos go and. the last lines being flubbed, that's one. of the worst feelings ever when you. think you've got some. hot ammunition. >> Yeah. >> And then you come back and realize. didn't get. I got 60% of that and it didn't land. It. also you feel like it's everybody else's. fault cuz or at least I did you go out.

there and it's live so there's the. camera there and there's all these other. elements. I'll tell you a crazy one that. people. never take into account. Now on my bus. every now and then I'll try and. do this but. the amount of stuff physical stuff. sometimes in wrestling. So you're just. sitting there you're talking I'm going. to say this I'm going to say this then. you realize like I got to I'm going to. have the title. and and the mic and then I might have. the glasses on. You think of all these. other elements and I always those are. where I usually go to blame. Like that's. where yeah. You'll [laughter] know there.

was one promo I did where I laid the. title in front of me and I just told the. cameraman I said shoot up like it's a. big dramatic shot. I can't [ __ ] around. with this thing right now. Like I it's. so much. >> Yeah and then. >> everything else. >> Blame everything else. >> When I bomb I blame a [ __ ] crowd. sensitive. >> [laughter]. >> whatever. No matter what I got a [ __ ]. guy before me sucked. >> When's the last time that that you felt. you bombed? >> Uh it happens a lot. I bombed on Friday. at the [ __ ] United Center in Chicago. Big building. >> huge the biggest. >> Big money. >> Literally the biggest arena and that was.

actually sounds fault. >> Yeah? >> Yeah. >> So is it acoustic wise? >> Acoustically it was terrible. We fixed. it they they were adjusting it the. entire time during my set. >> Oh. >> Took like 25 minutes into my set they. started to fix it. >> Did you feel that are you your own. biggest critic that you bombed by your. standards or did you feel you really. >> Yeah probably wasn't a true. >> It wasn't a true It was fine. This the. show was fine but there was definitely. like sections of people that could. barely hear it. So then you're like damn.

those people wasted their money. >> Yeah. >> Yeah that's. >> And like you feel terrible about that. >> You're a real you're you're a real one. >> Well that's the worst. >> Well the consumer experience is. everything. And I feel like the longer. you go in any type of entertainment I. like being around people who care. Cuz a. lot like a lot of young wrestlers for. example they're just. just want to body slam him and then he. kicks me up and we go they're thinking. very much about just two of them and. then I think especially if they go on. before raw or smack down there I'm. thinking there was. 12,000 people. Yeah. They were they they.

didn't mind what you did but you could. have brought them in. Yeah. Could have. involved them. Could have like get them. going. Get them excited. We're about to. go on air. versus do kind of your own performance. >> I did the first arena I ever did I was. always like I'm not going to use [ __ ]. like fog machines and [ __ ] lights and. [ __ ] Like I'm like that's all [ __ ]. corny. I just It was the worst decision. of all time. Just stood on a It was just silent in a. stage. >> [laughter]. >> and then I was like we got to get some. [ __ ] lights and [ __ ] We got to. spruce this up. Yeah.

>> [laughter]. >> Is that see other comedians do it and. I'll be like [ __ ] losers. >> Yeah. >> And then you kind of have to. That's. kind of the. George Strait in the country music world. just stands in the center of the stage. Yeah, it turns out I'm not George. Strait. >> [laughter]. >> I feel like a lot of people have the. turns out I'm not George Strait moment. where it's like you know what? >> Yeah. Load it up. >> Yeah, I'm good. >> Mine was night one and then night two I. was like all right we got to get like. some fog or something. They got one tiny. like small fog machine. [laughter] It. was like a hundred yards away from me.

There was just like steam coming out of. the side. Bombed again. I was like. >> [laughter]. >> [ __ ]. >> It's a work in progress. >> Yeah. We're figuring it out. >> Yeah, that's too big of a space just to. come out to him and be like walk walk. out quietly. >> Yeah. Everyone's waiting for you. >> Crazy. >> That's so funny. >> Yeah, it was bad. >> I did I I used to think it would be. funny to come out on stage to ambient. music like the stuff you fall asleep to. >> [laughter]. >> I tried it once and I was just like I'm. so. >> You have choices. So whole pick songs to walk out to cuz. it's funny and and the idea of it's.

funny. Like what if I walk out to like. flute EDM. or [ __ ] dubstep. >> [laughter]. >> and then every time Matt walks out at. one of my shows I'm like who picked What. is this? Turn this the [ __ ] off. >> [laughter]. >> It also plays for 3 seconds. It just. blasts [ __ ] garbage. >> [laughter]. >> It doesn't even play long enough for it. to land. >> And I also run to the stage as fast as I. can. >> never even go, >> [laughter]. >> "That was funny.". He just starts He's like, "Hey, how's.

everybody doing?" Like this guy's out of. his mind. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, it's like boo boo boo boo boo boo. boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo. Yeah. >> What's the song? You got the song. >> I know exactly what it is. >> It's nuts, dude. >> This is the song. >> How did you come up with your theme. song? >> God damn. Come on. um. That song it will the speaking of him. coming out to land songs that may not. land. >> You got to hear You got to hear this. [ __ ]. >> Hit it. I got a good one right here. Where is this? I think it's Is it this. one? Oh, here it is. I found it. No, no, no.

It's not that. >> They probably sound pretty similar. >> It's No, it's right. I got it. >> I'm excited to hear it. I'm worried that. it's such a long list. >> go. Let me skip ahead a little bit. >> [laughter]. >> It's good It's a good [ __ ] wrestling. walkout. >> [laughter]. >> Oh, all right.

>> Yeah. I'm worried though. I'm worried though this. >> It's crazy. >> The song doesn't really tell us anything. about you, right? >> [laughter]. >> Other than I privately think that's. funny. >> Well, how do you know that? >> Cuz to your to your question. the trick with a wrestling song all the. greatest wrestling music it doesn't need. to be a good song. It needs to be a. catchy song. >> Mhm. >> Jimmy Hart mouth of the South the. manager for Hogan and all he was making. all that great 90s content music that. ended up being everyone's favorite. It.

was catchy. I like Kingdom the song I. come out to. But it and I actually think it's those. guys are great. Downstait's great. It's. great song. It's done amazing things. It's the only walkout song I think WWE. has that WWE doesn't own. Which I don't. know how we feel about that. Uh but uh. the issue is I hear it so much. that especially at the end of the night. if I'm doing the rounds and I'm staying. in there just playing that one song, it. it gets you. And I heard my daughter the.

other day, she doesn't know the words. but she was saying uh. like something she put PAW Patrol in it. all of a sudden. So it's very it's very. you can I've I've heard people do the. something something Cody Rhodes which is. just kind of the appropriate way to sing. it and whatnot. As long as you get to. the woah. >> What do they say What do they say? >> Well they say uh yeah the way nobody. seems to know the words but they just. there's one part where they're like. something something Cody Rhodes and it's. it if you think of it that way it's it's. a pretty. it's a pretty interesting song by WWE.

standards too. It's got my voice which I. recorded on a. generation one iMac when I first left. WWE cuz I took the song on the road with. me. That's one of the things why WWE. doesn't own it. I took it. when I went and did independents and. started basically started myself back. over to eventually come back to WWE but. I I can say this it can never change. unless I was to go the you know bad guy. then that song is out I suppose but. that's the other thing I'm locked into.

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>> I've been I've been told that uh some of. the people in his his orbit, his circle, uh think he's the next Sylvester. Stallone. in terms of TV, film. Uh I don't know if I'm getting that. From what I've watched, I have very. limited knowledge on. that, other than I love me some college. game day. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He is very good on college game day. >> Well, said. I know you don't want to. hear this. He's the [ __ ] man, dude. >> Yeah, I.

>> [laughter]. >> I would say. I. I'm glad. I'm glad. There are people who like to. pitch themselves in these WrestleMania. and these big moments. I'm flattered. >> Yeah, he wants to be a part of it. >> I'm flattered. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's his that's his LaMar You're. shaking your head. No. >> What was LaMar? >> LaMar, have you turned on Pat? Have you. turned on Pat? This is a Pat friendly. house, right? >> [laughter]. >> I haven't turned on Pat, but like. Dude, like you know, like.

it doesn't make any sense. >> Talk your [ __ ] dude. >> Yeah, talk it. >> Like, yeah. >> Talk it cuz I'm not. >> Yeah, give me a give me a what? >> I'm I'm just going to do the Mariah. Carey answer moving forward on Pat. McAfee. I don't know him. >> like no tough punters. Like, you know? >> Yeah. >> What what's the common. >> say this, all right? Cuz you keep me and. like below the belt here. >> Yeah. >> Uh that was an NFL punter. >> That was. >> [laughter]. >> That that that might be. Though you want to stay away from those. legs.

>> Yeah, I don't know. >> Uh that might be it. Yeah. This is the. first time I've been been asked about. him and I think henceforth I'm just. going with the. Mariah Carey, I don't know him response. even though I might be. >> the nature of the betrayal? What what. exactly happened? >> Oh, man. >> What do you do? >> I. Let's see how we could explain. Randy Orton who I'm wrestling at. WrestleMania. >> Mhm. >> We have a like almost two decades of. history between each other. He was my.

mentor. I had Cena who I drove around. I. had Randy. Very different opinions, but. also really helped shape me. We were on. screen together as part of his group. Legacy. He had my dad's last match, my. first match in the company since Randy. There was a lot of. rich story material. And then. we inserted. uh. Pat McAfee. >> [laughter]. >> And that's we are literally in that part. right there. >> Yeah. >> So, your question.

is everybody else's question. >> True. >> And that is. >> this guy even doing here? >> I uh yeah, no. You know, like the the. troops all outside and there's that. clown, right? I'm not saying he's like. the clown in that regards. It does it's. an interesting fit. And we're [laughter]. we're going to see we're going to see. we're going to see where it goes. >> he's not a serious person. >> No, I don't I think he seems like a You. can't have that much success and be. ground up like he is without being a. serious person and having been to the. Thunderdome and. >> For sure. >> There's.

What I would say is right now what I've. seen is everyone around Pat McAfee or. his orbit. probably someone needs to say. no every now and then. That seemed that. seems like a dangerous group of of. people to you know, you need like we're. talking about Bob Holly earlier, man. You need that one guy in the room to be. like, "I don't know, man. Jumping into. the WrestleMania main event also while I. was getting my ass kicked in the ring. the other night looking up and he's. wearing shades.". Like he put the shades on to go out.

there. It's a different era of. wrestling. It was like watching a guy. at a bar do like a Stone Cold impression. >> [laughter]. >> or like And here's here's the thing and. I'm I'm really trying to I'm just going. to stick with the I don't know him, but. this is my as uh. is I heard him again getting my ass. kicked I heard him talk about the. Attitude Era. And I'm thinking, "Oh, man. I don't think he knows. Almost 30 years ago.

Almost so, love [snorts] it and it was. the most prolific era in the business. until the last four years. >> Yeah. >> So, if you're part of the last four. years, you kind of feel like. why are we talking about this? You know. what I'm saying? We're playing in this. game, why are we talking about this? And. yeah, no. I'll stick with the official though. I don't know him. Yeah. >> Damn dude. Should be interesting. >> Oh, and that's the best part about it. I it's very interesting. WrestleMania. and something that modern wrestling fans. and more what I mean is younger fans who.

didn't watch WrestleMania 1 or 2. The. original WrestleMania was built on the. celebrity interaction. Like Mr. T, Hogan, Liberace, everything there. You. know, you know, Wendy Richter, everything like. it's all. >> Liberace wrestle. >> Mike Tyson and you know, when. WrestleMania with him and with Shawn and. Steve. So there's always that element. Now Pat is there. >> They were sitting in the ring? >> He's he's in it. >> He's the he's the new Liberace is what. you're saying. >> [laughter].

>> In that. In that list of. celebrities who come to the first. WrestleMania, Muhammad Ali, Mr. T, Wendy. Richter, and Liberace, you decide where Pat [laughter] falls on. the. on the list. You decide, you know. >> Well, there's that. >> Yeah, I was watching the I just saw. Instagram reel of uh. when Mayweather was on. When he punched Big Show. I watched that. live and I was like, he really [ __ ]. punched him. >> Yeah. >> Them talking about it was pretty sick. >> Also, I think.

Show. the Big Show. they had a nice agreement between each. other. That when wrestling's done right, the best thing ever is when you can just. have a little bit of doubt on ooh. Seems like those guys do hate each. other. Seems like and we have a lot of. that in both main events this year. There's a lot of sincerity to the. suspension of disbelief. >> believed you. >> Yeah. >> How about that? >> Well, I tried [laughter] very hard to. navigate and he's your buddy. So now I'm. sitting here and feel bad. >> No dude. Now you got to do especially. when you're on.

>> on Pat, dude. >> It's WrestleMania. It's WrestleMania, too. >> Pat backstabbed me on College GameDay. >> Judging. >> Oh, bro. You got okay he told me. Nick Saban loved joking around. >> [laughter]. >> Saban does not love joking around. We're. having fun here, right? We got Donny, he was still going. He was. like, "Dude, go talk to him. There's no. way he was serious." I was like, "I. think he was serious.". >> Yeah, you bet. Well, so, he's such a. serious guy, Saban. I uh the crazy thing. from my Game Day experience, did you. have notes when you did yours? >> No. >> Thank you. >> know what was going on.

>> You just winged it. Well, you know. college football. >> I had a couple drinks. I had a couple. drinks during the day, too. It was a. night game. It was a Notre Dame playoff. game at night, dude. I was Mac out on. them, Matt [ __ ] kicked the field. goal. It was a nice boot. >> Yeah, that's it's such a great show. I went on and I had the night before. kind of like a set, had been thinking of. there's cuz there's some teams I don't. know. I don't know enough about Kansas. State, but I want to be able to make my. picks. And I'm in Athens, and I go up. there and I got the title, and I got the. Fanatics other UGA title. They're making.

me bring up there, so I didn't have. notes. And I sat down to next to Coach. Lee. I sat down, and he looked at me and just. went, "No notes, huh?" And I thought, "Fuck.". >> [laughter]. >> [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Cuz I have notes, I would have not been. able to memorize who won this award, cuz. some of those teams are I'm not. watching, you know, I'm an SEC guy. mainly for the most part. That's where I. was at, but I loved Game Day. Loved it. >> awesome. >> You did great on Game Day, man. Yeah, I. like the.

the rivalry is great. >> Yeah. >> And then Saban's a straight man on that. show. He means it's real. >> That was so funny. You also have a deep. knowledge of all like the teams and. stuff. I I wouldn't. I'd be tough. They'd sniff me out pretty. quickly, I think. Do you ever uh do you. ever listen to a Saban or a Kirby locker. room speech to get yourself fired up? >> Those are sick. Those are pretty. awesome. >> I have found myself listening to Kirby. talk to a bunch of college kids like. they're going to war. >> Yeah, it's awesome. >> And I didn't realize the amount of F. bombs in a college.

>> Mhm. >> like the Kirby speeches get me. That's a. regular little uh treadmill listen. >> Freeman got one at uh Notre Dame's coach. got one at his halftime at Notre Dame. Penn State. I think it was 10-0. 10-3. And he was like, "Just a fight. Go out. and [ __ ] fight.". >> Yeah. >> That's crazy. [laughter]. Cuz like, "You don't have to do this. Fight him.". >> Keep your pads on, man. >> Lou Holtz has my favorite one. He It was. right before It was Notre Dame Miami. They got in a fight in the tunnel. >> Oh. >> And all the players are like cuz coach.

Holtz was like a very serious like. They're like, "We're going to He's going. to yell at us for fighting." He's like, "I just got one thing to say. You leave Jimmy Johnson's ass for me.". >> [laughter]. >> Oh. >> Yeah. All right, P. >> Is this Catholics Convicts era of Oh. gosh. What a You seen that 30. >> It was Yeah, it was that game. It was. that [snorts] game. Yeah. >> That's what I was as real as it gets, man. >> That's fun. >> Oh, yeah. All on the line. >> what I'll say about the Miami fans? They. they love the whole we're the bad guys. thing. >> Yeah. >> You call them convicts once and they're.

all like, "That's mean. Ooh. Yeah, I. thought you guys were Catholic. Mhm.". >> [laughter]. >> Shut up. >> Well, I think also the. >> November 7th, we're coming for you, Miami. >> [laughter]. >> You're coming to South Bend. >> I think the sensitivity of that era was. a little different though in terms of. >> Yeah. >> what was on TV. Also, the way they presented both teams. >> True. >> Yeah. Well, >> the way the teams present themselves. also. >> Yeah. >> Miami's scoring touchdowns and taking. their helmet off and spiking it on a. guy's head.

>> character question to find out where you. stood during the Catholics Convicts side. of football. >> I know exactly where I stand, dude. I. [laughter] like my roster not getting. arrested constantly. I mean, what are we talking about? >> That's why my That's why my dad loved. Jimmy. >> But I see why you like the Bulldogs. >> Oh, the them dogs, bro. They're the best. >> They're pretty good [clears throat]. other than that Sugar Bowl. It's the. Irish. That was fun. >> But also, as far as a team to root for, >> It's a good team. >> You're consistently you you're winning. home games. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> between the hedges. Uga still on the.

field. >> Uga [ __ ] rules. >> He's the best. Always. >> That's L'Amires L'Amires going to be Uga. 15. >> [laughter]. >> When this Uga dies, I'm signing up. L'Amire. >> I like every time they bring Uga around. another mascot or try to do one thing. You know Uga? >> The bulldog, man. >> You like it Bevo? Bevo attacked Uga. >> Bevo and Uga. >> That was nice. >> Every time someone's like, I think it's. a good idea. Let's just give them. like why would you put a a full. [laughter]. a steer and this bulldog are going to do. well together, you know? Oh. >> I love them dogs.

>> And then dog biting people sometimes, that's nice. >> great picture I think is Uga 5 in the. Auburn game. That's the type of run. through brick wall stuff. If our dog is. getting into this, we're fighting, you. know? >> cool. >> Yeah. I think my niece is going to UGA. >> Nice. >> Yeah, that's big. >> That's awesome. >> I'm excited, yeah. The dogs, good team. My mom's a big Notre Dame fan. >> She's she's a saint. >> Yeah. She she yeah, she'd be happy to. hear that. [clears throat]. >> Yeah. She knows her saints are. struggling. >> Cuz we don't get it. Cuz here's why. >> you get there? >> So, her era of.

growing up, Notre Dame. >> Mhm. >> It's Notre Dame. That's all you have to. say. Touchdown Jesus it's Notre Dame, right? However, we don't know anyone who went. there anymore. We don't have any. connection to it. >> stop. >> And multiple children have gone to other. major universities and it's still. I'm going to the Notre Dame game with my. sister. Who the. Who Who do you know? >> It's You got to get out there, dude. >> That's their thing. >> Once you see it, you go, "Oh, I get it.". >> Does it get you? >> Yeah. You'll get it. >> Yeah. It gets you. >> You'll get it. >> Very It's a one of the greater franchise.

and franchise greater institutions of. all time. If not, top five. >> Top five is crazy. >> Top five? >> Now since Bama went on that run with. Saban, now Notre Dame's two. >> And Bama being one? >> Bama's now number one. >> Where would you put UGA? >> Recently, they they made a good run. Cuz. before that, I think they had one title. since like 1980. >> Yeah, then they had they finally. >> they've Yeah, they're up there for sure. >> What about Texas? >> Not really. >> You live in here, man. >> I still like Texas. >> They're great. >> They're the Longhorns are fun, but.

>> Hook 'em, baby. >> They're not You can't put them up there. with They're not even above Oklahoma. >> Oh. >> All time though, just blue blood wise. >> Wrestling famous wrestling announcer Jim. Ross is watching this now like. Yeah, he still HAS HIS OWN. >> [laughter]. >> OH, MAN. >> NO, TEXAS IS RIGHT THERE. >> I I think I sent you a text about this. I don't know. I think I saw you talk. about it one time and I was telling. myself I was like, I have to ask him. about it. Is Ken Burns' Civil War.

>> [ __ ] rocks. >> I. live for Ken Burns' Civil War. >> Yeah. >> And it Have you seen it? >> seen it, no. It's 47 hours long. >> Yeah, I heard it's long as hell. I I. haven't I haven't been able to commit to. it. >> There's no video. >> I've watched it. It's just pictures. [laughter] Just standing like. >> I've watched it eight times. I don't. think I've gotten to Gettysburg. I've watched the first 5 hours of this. thing. >> That's still really good. >> I. >> That's awesome. >> I got the the part of Guile in Street. Fighter coming up. >> Oh, yeah, that's right.

>> And I'm thinking like, oh, I just want. to get as American as American you can. get, right? And deep dive into, you. know, military history, all stuff I. already like. >> Yeah. >> clearly already very very much like, but. I was I just diving in and for whatever. reason I got stuck on Ken Burns' Civil. War and I was just fine with that. >> Yeah, it's. >> I just so good. It's so good. >> So funny to watch that preparing for. Guile. >> [laughter]. >> I got to knowledge of what's what it's. what it's like. >> Thinking about Pickett's Charge like.

>> [laughter]. >> Sonic boom. >> This is what it took to get, you know. >> True. >> Oh, it's so great. You got Andrew Schulz. on that? >> What's that? >> Andrew Schulz on that? >> Oh, yeah, he's phenomenal. >> Yeah, he's the man. >> Oh, and genuinely phenomenal. >> Yeah. >> Um I think people will be cuz they have. Noah Centineo, Kalina, and Koji, the. three leads, Chun-Li, uh Ryu and Ken are. killing it. They they They knew their. stuff. They were ready. They were pros. pros. And I think they put 50 Cent and. Schulz and me and we got to come in,

float in. And the way Schulz is is in. the movie really blew me away. Uh cuz I. got to see him both making people laugh. hysterically and then also a couple. sincere moments. He's special one. >> Yeah. >> He is a really special one, yeah. He. told me he'd help me against McAfee. I. don't know if Schulz [laughter] is. >> What was that? >> some jokes. And then Schulz also has. started, I think single-handedly Schulz. started a Mortal Kombat versus Street. Fighter. And. everyone, I think on stage thought like. the same thing.

Okay. Uh. we'll back him cuz that's our guy, but. like. >> Uh you know, like yeah, I don't know how. far I think it's only getting worse. >> Like Schulz is ready for a fight. But. also like I don't know. I was saying. he's like my tag partner. I'm in. We're. we'll we're good. >> to go. >> We got his back. Great guy. I wish he. had jumped in the ring with his shades. on. talking about the attitude era. >> True. >> while I was laying there. confused. And you know, but yeah, no. I. know him. >> Yeah. >> I know him. Yeah. >> I know this other guy. >> McAfee's a freaking punk.

>> [laughter]. >> I can't wait for this all I can't wait. for this all to get settled. >> Is this your wrestler go-to? This right. here? [laughter]. >> I got. >> Have you. >> I got Hulk Hogan. We're coming for you, brother. >> Have you. Do you know when you do [clears throat]. when you do media and stuff for your for. your shows? Do people ever ask you, "Hey, do something funny for us.". >> Every all the time. >> Okay. And what what do you have a bit. you do? >> no. I don't do. I. >> Dude, I tell everyone cuz some people. when they don't know wrestling and I. totally understand how great the '80s.

were and I get it. I loved it myself. But that is a common. "Hey man, why don't you just cut a quick. little promo for us?". And. that's what they want. >> Yeah, they want the. >> And I usually it's it's so soft and just. almost I'd say I can you can see in. their eyes. Oh. >> It's what it's not what I want. >> That's not what I was. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, yeah. >> I thought you were going to like say, "Let me tell you something, brother.". And take me, you know, like, "Bro, it's. 7:00 a.m. Uh I'm in a suit and it's it's 2026.".

You know, like I I can just tell you. this other stuff. But then also in my. mind I leave like what I should have. something. >> Yeah, of course. >> a thing. Like when I met Bert Kreischer, Bert is more of a pro wrestler than half. the pro wrestlers. He's like ready for. that. >> Yeah. >> So I I now try to have one ready, but. then I never do. I just always try and. tell him, "Let's just avoid.". >> Before we before we get out of here cuz. I think you actually have to go, >> Yeah. >> could you cut one for us, LeMaire? >> Yeah, sure. >> Please cut [clears throat] a. WrestleMania. Please cut a WrestleMania. He needs you to cut one. >> I need it, LeMaire. >> LeMaire, get out of here. Give me give a cut one.

>> LeMaire. >> LeMaire. McAfee a message right now. Get in the. camera, bro. >> Yeah. >> I'll set you up, LeMaire. This guy came. for us. >> Yeah, bro. >> He inserted himself in a WrestleMania. That's your turf. >> LeMaire, the belt was in your pool. house. >> Yeah. >> Honor it. >> That they the title. >> LeMaire, grab the note and bell. >> [laughter]. >> Hit the bell, bro. >> Hit the note and bell for this. >> Don't even mess around. >> Yes, feel it. >> Feel the strength of it. >> Yeah, feel that. >> Yeah. >> Coach Louse in there. Oh, yeah. >> You got Pat McAfee's title.

>> Right. >> Get in the You got camera. >> Camera, bro. Camera. Tell McAfee what's. up, dude. >> What's the date? When's WrestleMania? >> 1890. >> Yeah. >> He knows. >> I guess so. >> All [laughter] right. >> I'm sorry. >> Dude, he's praying. >> Come on, LeMaire. >> Pat McAfee, you dare say that the. wrestling industry is the wrestling. fandom that the IWC stinks? >> Yeah. >> Dude, this this this is the stuff that. you're made of. This is where you're. from. Without the IWC, you wouldn't even. be on TV. You wouldn't be. [ __ ].

>> [laughter]. >> Keep going. >> Don't laugh at dude. >> Keep going, LeMaire. HE WOULDN'T BE. [ __ ]. >> THIS WrestleMania. April 18th, April 19th. you and Randy Orton think you're going. to take on the the American Nightmare. Cody Rhodes. You think you're going to. walk out. unharmed? >> Yeah. >> You think you're going to walk out fully. together? You think you're going to walk. out the same guys? >> [laughter].

>> This guy right here, Cody Rhodes. the American Nightmare. the the the QB1. of the WWE. he rarely lets us down. >> [laughter]. [laughter]. >> The man, that was great. >> [laughter]. >> This guy, QB1. You see he's got a pretty good winning. percentage.

>> [laughter]. >> I think unfortunately you set it up. where it's like, uh man. he he rarely lets us down. Basically. like. >> [laughter]. >> Hey dude. There's no chance he's going. to let us down. Lemme know I was happy so you coming to. Mania, right? Yeah, you know so. You got to be there [laughter] after all. that. Watch out for Pat, too. He's going to watch you. You got to be. there. >> [laughter]. >> Can I Before before you go I have to do. I have to say one more thing. We So on. the way here I was doing a little. research. I came across an interview.

with you and your wife, Brandi, right? >> Yeah. >> And I There was just a point of it made. me laugh so hard where she introduced. herself as the African American. Nightmare. >> Yeah. >> and then you said it you're like the. African American Nightmare. She's like, "Okay, don't say that anymore.". >> [laughter]. >> That interview is so funny. >> It's not mine. >> [laughter]. >> It's not mine. It's not mine to access. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> And I learn it more every day. It's [laughter] not So.

I I referenced my nickname on TV. Raheem and. that was funny. until I said it. And then now I. I live with it. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> That interview is so funny. >> It's not my nickname. >> [laughter]. >> No, he loved it. He must have been like, "Ooh, I'm keeping that.". >> Yeah, I know. >> See how that one goes for me. >> [laughter]. >> It's not mine. >> God, that was that's really funny. interview. Definitely watch that. >> I learn every day. >> Yeah, you know, that's good. You're.

growing. >> Yeah. >> You learn. Lemaire, thank you for the promo. That. was incredible. >> job, Lemaire. You're coming to. WrestleMania, man. You got it. And Pat, be be scared at he'd be scared running. into you, man. You got him shaking, right? You got You're holding the Notre. Dame title. Friends. >> Yeah. >> Pat Mercy of our friends and fanatics. You know, you feeling that energy. >> It's past move now. Yeah. >> Are you worried about Randy Orton? I. think you could take Pat. >> [laughter]. >> Friends. >> Randy Randy like a.

>> human horse though. A thick A thick boy, you know, so you got it. >> know. Lemaire Lemaire, you're strong as. hell, right? You're okay. >> I don't know if I'm Randy Orton strong. >> No, no, Pat. We're talking about you. taking out Pat. >> Oh, yeah, I could take Pat. >> Pat would beat the hell out of you. >> Yeah, [laughter] I don't know. He'd beat. your ass, dude. >> No, dude. >> I'm going I'm turning heel. I'm going. back Pat back in the year. [laughter]. The man, dude. >> All right. Well, thank you very much. You're a good man, seriously. >> It was a blast, man. Thank you so much. >> Watch new episodes of Matt and Shane. Secret Podcast on Spotify.

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