What Can We Really Expect in the Epstein Files?

We are now on the brink of the Epstein. files release and yet do we really have. any idea what's going to be in them? What realistically can we expect here? That's what I want to get into and also. what are the potential exceptions in. this release? What's the apparent mixed. messaging from the DOJ? We're going to. try to get everything sorted for you. right now. Welcome to Sidebar presented. by Law and Crime. I'm Jesse Weber. Real quick, if you're in the content. creation game, if you're putting a lot. out there on social media, have you ever. wondered how we are able to put so many.

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files. Do we actually know what we're. going to see? What can we expect? That's. what I want to get into because where do. we currently stand right now? Well, both. the House and the Senate, they passed a. bill that would require the Department. of Justice to release essentially. whatever is in their possession. regarding Jeffrey Epstein, the Epstein. Files Transparency Act. So, what does. that mean? The law requires the DOJ. within 30 days of the president signing. this quote to make publicly available in. a searchable and downloadable format all.

unclassified records, documents, communications, and investigative. materials in the possession of the. Department of Justice, including the. Federal Bureau of Investigation and. United States Attorney's offices that. relate to Jeffrey Epstein, including all. investigations, prosecutions, or. custodial matters. Now, there are some. carveouts there, some exceptions. I want. to get into what those are. But we go. back to the central question. What can. we realistically expect? Because here's. the thing. So much has already been.

released. What happened last week? The. House Oversight Committee released a. plethora of emails and texts from and to. Epstein. And the big headlines were. about any possible connection to. President Trump. We covered this in a. previous sidebar. messages like one from. 2011 from Epstein to Galain Maxwell, his. convicted sex trafficker associate, saying, "I want you to realize that the. dog that hasn't barked is Trump. Victims. spent hours at my house with him. He has. never once been mentioned." Glain. actually writes back, "I have been. thinking about that." There's another.

where Epstein tells author Michael Wolf. in 2019, redacted. Mara Lago, redacted. And by the way, this is an email that. was sent several months before Epstein's. death. It continues, "Trump said he. asked me to resign, never a member ever. Of course, he knew about the girls as he. asked Galain to stop." And even beyond. what was released last week, you may. recall this because we did a number of. sidebars on this, but a judge had. ordered the release of Epstein related. documents from this settled civil. lawsuit between Epstein accuser Virginia. Roberts Duay against Gain Maxwell.

That's when the record showed Epstein's. address book, his connection to. high-profile people in further detail, like David Copperfield and former. President Bill Clinton. To be clear, though, just because there were these. associations, just because they were. named, this is not the Epstein list, right? This is not saying that any of. these people were involved in criminal. activity. This is a guy who had. connections. But to be clear, just. because they were named doesn't mean. that they knew about or participated in.

any criminal activity. Just want to make. that clear. But then you had all this. travel information that was released, too. This was through a public records. request by ABC News to the US Department. of State. Records about Epstein's. travels, passport files. Last year, a. judge released the 2006 grand jury. testimony related to the investigation. into Epstein abusing underage girls in. Florida. Little side note on that. Remember that's what led to this. infamous sweetheart deal where he was. allowed to plead guilty in Florida to. state charges of solicitation of. prostitution and with a minor in.

exchange for no federal charges being. brought against him. And he was. sentenced to 18 months in prison, but he. was permitted to leave for 12 hours a. day for work. And then back in February, you remember when the DOJ released the. Epstein files to a group of conservative. influencers? Turned out there was. nothing really new in there based on. everything that I just said was already. released. September was interesting. September of this past year, there was a. birthday book for Jeffrey Epstein that. was released from his estate. The big. notable thing from there was this. alleged birthday card from Donald Trump.

that includes an apparent drawing of a. nude woman. To be clear, the president. has denied authoring this, denied. drawing that, denied making this. So, I. say all that to ask again, how is this. Epstein files release going to be. different? What will be in there? What. can the DOJ hold back? What can we. expect from them? Okay, so I want to. bring in I love having him on. We're so. lucky that we get him. Special guest CNN. senior legal analyst Ellie Honig, former. federal and state prosecutor and author.

of great book. Oh, there we go. Got it. centered there. When you come at the. king, encourage everybody to pick it up. It is a great read. Um, look at that. We. We didn't even plan that. We have it on. at the same time. Uh, Ellie, thank you. so much for coming on. I'm made of. questions. Um, before we get into what. we can expect the DOJ will do, you know, talk about this 30-day window, this is. the main question I had. I laid out. basically what has been released over. the last several years. What do you, Ellie Honig, think that is going to be. released? What do you think anything new. that's going to be released? We talked.

about these Epstein files, Epste. What. new is going to be released in your. opinion? >> Well, Jesse, first of all, thank you for. having me. Um, I'm thrilled to come on. with you anytime. I love Long Crime. Network. I'm a fan uh a fan of yours and. the network as a whole. Um second of. all, everyone should set their. expectations modestly as for what will. come out here because you've been told. by members of Congress and others people. in the White House that here it is. folks, full disclosure, transparency,

you're going to see the Epstein files. Two important qualifications there. one, there is not really such thing. It's not. so neat and tidy as the Epstein files. There's not some file cabinet at DOJ. that has it all in there. There's a. combination of video and surveillance. and audio and documents. You know, all. we know is it's 300 gigabytes, which I. try, you know, you and I aren't really. tech guys, Jesse. I tried to figure out. I mean, that's like the equivalent of. several thousand audio books or or.

ebooks, basically. So, it's a massive. quantity, but it's not like there's some. neat thing where it's like just hit send. and boop, there you go. We have it all. But the other thing is the law that was. passed the other day that Donald Trump. signed into law that Congress passed. almost unanimously. Again, they're all. congratulating themselves, Republicans. and Democrats alike for look at us, paragonss of transparency. The problem. with that law is it has two massive. exceptions, loopholes, whatever you want. to call them, which I'll lay out for you. here. The first one is ongoing criminal. investigation. Now, Jesse, you know,

your listeners and your viewers probably. know ordinarily DOJ would never just. crack open their criminal files. Okay, everyone, come on in. Here you go. Take. a look. The only reason this is being. done here, there's so much public. interest that it resulted in a law being. passed. But the law itself says if. there's ongoing criminal investigations, DOJ does not have to turn those over. Now, that means it's up to Pam Bondi. So, your level of faith that this is. going to be a full and transparent. disclosure is equal to your level of. faith in Pam Bondi. Because I know from. being inside DOJ, you can open an.

investigation on anything you want. You. can claim that almost anything relates. to an investigation somehow. That's. number one. Number two, even broader, there's an exception for any materials. in the Epstein files that might impact. national security. DOJ can withhold. those. Now, you're probably thinking, what could this have to do with, you. know, United States dealing with. Venezuela or Israel or whatever? How. about this, though? Couldn't an attorney. general say, "Well, that's material in. there that's embarrassing or might. reflect poorly on the president, the.

commander-in-chief, the chief diplomat. of the nation." And if it's something. that makes him look bad or could be used. to embarrass him or could be used to. extort him. I'm not a conspiracy. theorist, but you know, could be made to. look like he's in a bad position, that. could undermine our national security. Hence, I will withhold that. So, those. are the two massive loopholes. And the. last thing, Jesse, is we're not going to. know. It's not as if Pam Bondi has to do. what lawyers do sometimes. We do like a. privilege log saying, "Okay, other side, here's a description of some documents. that I've withheld because they're. privileged." We're not going to have. that. We're we're not going to know what.

we don't know. We're not going to know. what Pam Bondi has chosen to withhold. So, again, we are sort of at the mercy. and whim of Pam Bondi here. >> So, in other words, we won't know if. everything is really turned over unless. there's some evidence to suggest. something was withheld. And I want to. get into that because. >> I mean, she may be asked, look, someone. may ask, "Did you withhold anything?". And she may say, "Yes, consistent with. the law, as passed, I've withheld. national security and investigative. files, but we're not going to we're not. going to see them, and we're not going. to know how many and which ones." Yeah. >> Yeah. And I want to get into that a.

little bit further. There's another. aspect of it, too, because it says under. this law, they can withhold or redact. the identities and personal and medical. files of Epstein's victims. They can. also withhold material that would. constitute a clearly unwarranted. invasion of personal privacy or depicts. or contains child sexual abuse, which. they should. But I guess one of the big. questions I've been asked is so whatever. they release, whatever it is they're. going to release. Is it going to be. pages of blacked out redactions? >> I I would expect that. I think there's. going to be two categories of things we.

don't see. There's going to be entire. files, entire documents that we don't. know exist that we're not going to see. But yes, get ready to see. Also, you. know, it could be, let's give an. example. Let's say you have an FBI 302, which Jesse, as you know, is a formal. typed up summary of a witness interview. that prosecutors have done. It could be. there's a 33page 302 where half of it is. blacked out, where names are blacked. out, where individual paragraphs are. blacked out. Um, that's going to take a. while for DOJ to figure out, although. we'll talk about timing in a moment, but.

yeah, I mean, I would expect I would. expect to see quite a bit of redaction. ink in what we do see. And just to send. her back, so we believe, right, when we. talk about what this could be, this is. all connected to the Florida and New. York investigations. into Jeffrey Epstein, right? Generally. speaking, I mean, I guess that's what it. is. And we'll get a little more. granular, but generally. >> that's a great question because like. it's not necessarily everything that's. known to the world about Jeffrey. Epstein. It's not even I mean, we've. already seen that Epstein's estate seems.

to have some documents that DOJ does not. have. There's really there was two major. investigations of Epstein. There was the. one down in the southern district of. Florida which was federal run by. Alexander Acasta back in 06 0708 which. resulted in his sweetheart deal where he. did 13 months in state and he was in and. out you know of custody. That was the. original sin in this case. That was when. Alexander Aosta let him off very very. easily. Um Acasta to this day has never. provided a a satisfactory explanation of. why but so that'll be one set of.

documents. How far did they range? We. don't know right. Did they just focus. narrowly? Did they How many victims did. they have? I mean, we know that there. were many victims presented to that. office. So, that's number one. >> And by the way, that might be. duplicative of what was released, the. 2006 grand jury transcript and all that. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. The second. category, the second bucket of documents. is if you remember when this all. rebubbled to the surface in 2019 was. because Donald Trump made Alexander. Acasta his I think it was labor. secretary. And all a sudden people.

started saying, "Wait, hang on, hang on. a second. Isn't this the guy who back in. 0708 gave Jeffrey Epste a pass? The. Epste thing came. Honestly, Jesse, I. hadn't even heard of it until 2019. I. don't think I was aware of who Jeffrey. Epste was, just not living in Florida. But in 2019, Alexander Aosta becomes. Trump's uh cabinet secretary. This comes. roaring back to life. And now we're into. the second bucket, the SDNY, my old. office in New York, picks up this. investigation, charges Jeffrey Epstein. for a broader range of conduct. He then. dies in prison and then the next year. charges Gileain Maxwell. She ends up.

going to trial. It's going to be those. files, but again, the question will be. how broadly did they range? Did they. talk to 50 victims or three victims? How. far back in time did they go? But those. are going to be the two buckets of. information that DOJ has. >> And real quick, this is what's in their. possession. In other words, there will. be people who look at this and say, "Wait a minute. This doesn't mean. everything that's ever related to. Epstein." because there have been uh. reports in the past, there have been. accusations in the past that there might. have been material that wasn't obtained. by authorities that wasn't obtained by.

the federal government. >> Absolutely. I mean, look, the feds, you. can't get everything. Um, and you know, I guess there is an open question how, and one of the criticisms may well be. that comes out of this. Well, why do. they look so narrowly? I don't know. I. guess we'll see. But yes, there are. documents that the estate has that DOJ. doesn't have. There are potentially. documents that victims have that they. don't have. There have been a whole. bunch of civil suits. So yes, it's only. contained to what DOJ has and DOJ has no. obligation and and I'm sure has not gone. out and built up more files. Although.

they are now allegedly investigating new. stuff, but um that won't come out. because it's current, you know, relates. to a pending investigation. I want to. get to that in a minute. So something to. consider here as we talk about what we. can expect, right? What happened in. July? So, the FBI, the DOJ, they. released this joint memo saying, quote, "The Department of Justice and the. Federal Bureau of Investigation have. conducted an exhaustive review of. investigative holdings related to. Jeffrey Epstein. This systematic review. revealed no incriminating client list. There was also no credible evidence. found that Epstein blackmailed prominent. individuals as part of his actions. We.

did not uncover evidence that could. predicate an investigation against. uncharged third parties." Now, we'll. talk about what Pam Bondi just said in a. press conference regarding this. investigation in the Southern District. of New York in a minute, but Ellie, now. we're talking about the release of these. files in light of what was said by the. government in July. Does that mean, okay, we're really not going to see. anything bombshell tying people to. criminal activity, does that mean, do we. know that, hey, did they really 100%. look at everything or can we really.

believe that statement in July? It. depends on which version of Pam Bondi. and Cash Patel you choose to believe, right? Because they've both had three. completely different iterations. When. they were about to take office and in. the years leading up to them taking. office and even after they took office. as AG and FBI director, it was all can't. wait to turn this over. Cash Patel says. put your big boy pants on, whatever that. means. Pam Bondi, the stuff's on my.

desk. Remember Pam Bondi had her big. release party where she handed out. binders at the White House. Phase one. So that's phase one. Disclose, disclose, disclose. We're the party of. transparency. Then phase two is what you. just said, Jesse. Over the summer in. July, this memo saying, actually, no. Nothing to see here, nothing further to. do. I'm going to speculate that they. were hoping that would be the end of it. But in fact, it had the opposite effect. of causing people to say, "What are you. kidding me?" After years of promising, now you're saying there's nothing. And. now we're into phase three, which is. back to phase one, which is, "Oh, no.

No, no, no. We have now Yes, sir. We're. opening up all these new investigations. of of Bill Clinton and Reed Hoffman and. this is a and yes, we are all in favor. of full disclosure and transparency and. all that. Now, as for what we're going. to see, my best guess is look, the. bottom line question I think everyone's. interested, I think the victims are most. interested in is who did wrong here. beyond Jeffrey Epste and Gain Maxwell. We know they're criminals. We know they. were the ring leaders, but they can't. have been the only ones. And and let's. be a little more specific. People want. to know what men, what powerful men had. sex with girls, with underage girls. And.

I think what we are likely to see is a. little different from that is along the. lines that we've seen with Larry. Summers, right, which is embarrassing, disgusting, ridiculous correspondence. with him and Jeffrey Epstein, but not. necessarily anything I've seen that. suggests Larry Summers commits a crime. in those emails. at least Stacy Plask, right? The the the representative in the. US House from Virgin Islands, you know, embarrassing interactions with Jeffrey. Epste. He's feeding her questions during. congressional testimony, which she's.

then asking Michael Cohen, Michael Wolf, the writer, right? I mean, ridiculous. exchanges with Jeffrey Epste. They're. planning PR responses and all that. I. think we're going to see a lot more of. that. I think we're going to see. powerful people embarrassed and and. potentially deservedly so. But I don't. believe we're going to get documents. where you're going to say, "Oh my. goodness, this proves or strongly. suggests that that person committed a. federal crime." I would imagine that. kind of stuff would be subject to the. ongoing criminal investigation.

exception. >> And in terms of video proof or. photographic proof, it goes into that. exception of if it's depicting minors. being abused, that will not be released. to the public. But you do wonder, would. there be some sort of summary document. saying what those videos or photos. depict? But I mean, I I wouldn't hold my. breath on that. >> Yeah. I mean, again, they don't have to. DOJ does not have to ne if let's say. they have a video that let's god forbid. they have some video that shows a child.

being abused. I think they just withhold. that video. I don't think they have to. type up a memo saying be advised. Again, this is what we would call like a. privilege log. Like in in some forms of. litigation, if one party withholds. documents from the other, you have to at. least say, "Be advised. We are. withholding a document from around this. date because it depicts something, you. know, whatever." I don't think DOJ is. going to have to do that. I don't think. we're going to I mean, they can choose. to, but why would they? So, no, I I. don't think we're ever going to know. exactly what they've withheld. >> And and who or who not? Maybe.

>> Yeah. And by the way, you you are right. I mean, the third category of. exceptions, which is uncontroversial, is. they need to withhold information that. would reveal victim identities, compromise victim privacy, and also. materials that would show that would be. criminal in and of themselves. If. there's child sex acts or abuse. depicted, that should be withheld. I. don't think anyone disagrees with that. >> Well, there are people who are like, "Okay, just tell us who the adults are. in these materials." But, okay, put that. to the side for a second, and I'll get. into the timing of this and what we can. expect from the DOJ. I do want your. opinion on something, okay? Because yes,

you mentioned it 100% accurately that. they're not going to disclose things if. you if it would hurt or impede an. ongoing criminal investigation. Has to. be narrowly uh tailored and and things. of that. But the president ordered Pam. Bondi to open up an investigation. Wrote. on Truth Social in part, "I'll be asking. AG Pam Bondi and the Department of. Justice together with our great patriots. at the FBI to investigate Jeffrey. Epstein's involvement and relationship. with Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, Reed. Hoffman, JP Morgan Chase, and many other. people and institutions to determine. what was going on with them and him.".

And then Bondie replied on social media, "Thank you, Mr. President. SDNY US. Attorney Jay Clayton is one of the most. capable and trusted prosecutors in the. country, and I've asked him to take the. lead. As with all matters, the. department will pursue this with urgency. and integrity to deliver answers to the. American people. Now, this is what Pam. Bondi said we should expect. >> So, we have released 33,000 over 33,000. Epstein documents to the Hill and we'll. continue to follow the law um and to.

have maximum transparency. Also, we will. always encourage all victims to come. forward. and she was asked, "Okay, how. do you reconcile that July statement. that I mentioned before, so nothing more. to see with now opening a Southern. District investigation?". >> The DOJ statement uh earlier this year. saying that uh the files would not. release mentioned the fact that the. review of the documents and the evidence. did not suggest that any additional. investigation of third parties was.

warranted. Uh what changed uh since then. that you launched this investigation? >> Information that has come for. information um there's information that. new information, additional information. and again we will continue to follow the. law to investigate any leads if there. are any victims. We encourage all. victims to come forward um and we will. continue. to provide maximum transparency under. the law. The issue with the new.

information that you just indicated are. is the department seeking information. perhaps from the Est Epstein estate. because Mr. Blanch did not have that. information when he interviewed Gain. Maxwell. What new information and would. you limit the new investigation to just. those named persons that the president. talked about or is this a broad. open-ended investigation? be I would. refer to um the deputy attorney. general's post that he put out on X and. we're we will we're not going to say. anything else on that because now it is.

a pending investigation in the Southern. District of New York but you're on. point. So Ellie, I mean, she responds, "There's new information. There's new. there's additional information. New. information. again, thoughts on that statement as. we're trying to talk about what we can. expect. You have this new investigation. after the July statement." She was very. vague. On one hand, I would say, look, if there is a really investigation, you're dealing with sensitive matter. Of. course, a prosecutor, of course, an. attorney general wouldn't want to reveal. more information would be kind of uh.

subtle in that, but strange. I am very dubious of Pam Bondi's. explanation there. I mean to believe her. you would have to believe that sometime. after July of this year in the so. sometime in the last 4 months after she. declared nothing to see here nothing. further to be done some new victim. previously unknown or some new documents. previously unknown with no ongoing. investigation fell out of the sky to. justify let's now open an investigation.

of these four people or whoever you know. Clinton and Reed Hoffman and all that. the new information is that Donald Trump. said to do it the new information I. believe is there is a different. political wind blowing now. Um and. that's why look Pam Bondi is not very. good at when she gets caught. It's like. we used to make fun of one of my. brothers cuz he was sort of the worst. liar. Like he couldn't keep a poker face. and I mean she's like that too. That was. an embarrassing clip. Like if she was. confident if something really new had. surfaced since July. If new victims had.

come forward she would have said because. the world has changed since July. When I. made that announcement in July that was. absolutely true. Case closed. But I'm. telling you, we have substantial new. information. We have new witnesses. We. have new facts. And we have an. obligation to follow up on that. And. that's what we're doing now. That's not. what she said. Instead, you saw her like. backpedaling, stammering, offering. nothing of substance. So, I don't think. anything's changed other other than the. politics of it all. >> But it does give them, like you said, maybe a window, maybe an opportunity, a.

weapon to not disclose more information. >> Here's the paradox of it, though. If. this is being done faithfully, if. they're applying the exception that says. you can withhold documents relating to. ongoing investigations, that would mean. they're going to be withholding. documents relating to Bill Clinton and. Reed Huffen, the people that Donald. Trump wants to see hurt publicly, harmed. in their reputation publicly. But the. exceptions would say those are the very. documents that now need to be kept away. from us. So, I'm not sure they've. thought this all the way through. Any.

doubt the DOJ will release this within. 30 days? If we're talking about a. timeline, if we're talking about what to. expect, will they release it within 30. days? And when? Uh, I have no doubt they will release. some documents and probably a lot, probably as much as they can within that. 30-day period. It would be it would just. cause uproar if they did not meet their. deadlines. Look, you know, this is one. of the big questions, Jesse. They could. do it on a rolling basis. They could. start today and say, "Here's 10,000. docs. Here's another 50,000. Here's 100.

Or they could just do a huge document. dump on day 30th, December 19th. That's. up to them. The law does not require. them to do it one way or the other. The. other thing though to know is again. whatever we get on December 19th or, you. know, between now and December 19th, Pam. Bondi needs to be questioned at every. opportunity. How much of the total. Epstein files have you produced? And how. much of the total Epstein files have you. withheld? What percent? or at least give. us a rough estimate and we'll see if. she's willing and able to answer that. I. doubt it. I think she'll probably just.

say we've made productions and we've. made withholdings based on the law and. that'll be it. But that'll be a burning. question. You know, if they release. 150,000 pages on December 19th, you and. I and the world will just Jesse, we'll. have no way of knowing is this 98% of. the file, is this 53% of the file? And. that's a question that I I believe she. will be posed um consistently until we. get an answer. And if a majority of it. is duplicative of what we've already. seen, the response from uh the public is.

going to be quite loud to say the least. Uh and yeah, >> I think the fundamental thing that the. public is having trouble accepting and. which I I am a this is where I am also. is that only Epstein and Maxwell, they're the only wrongdoers are the only. people who worthy of criminal. prosecution here. And I don't know, I. wish I could say otherwise, but I don't. know that we're ever going to get a. satisfying answer in prosecution as to. who else might be involved. I should. note the statute of limitations on child.

interstate sex trafficking crimes. federally. Essentially, there is no. statute of limitations. So, it is. theoretically possible if they can show. that some other person was involved in. the interstate movement of a person for. purposes of child sex abuse. There could. be prosecutions. I mean, I'll give you. just a quick example. Golain Maxwell's. indictment which came down in 2020. charged her with conduct that was. primarily 1994 to 1997. One of her. arguments which she lost both at the. trial court and on appeal in the second. circuit was that's too late. The statute.

of limitations should have been 5 or 10. years. And both the district court and. the court of appeals said no the law has. changed and you can be charged in 2020. for something you did in the 1990s if. it's interstate federal sex trafficking. of a minor. So, I don't want to get. expectations up, but I do want to note. that that's theoretically still. possible. >> Ellie, first of all, great analysis on. this. Um, I I have definitely a better. picture of what we can expect. I think. we all do. Um, I feel for you. I feel. for you because you know when this is. going to be released, you're going to be.

chained to the CNN desk with either a. computer or printouts. Ellie, every five. minutes, what did you learn? What's new? What's new? So I can I can give you all. a little BTS as the kids call it a. little behind the scenes. You know. there's a constant call now starting now. at CNN for like can you be ready in case. the Epstein files drop. Can you be. ready? Can you be on standby Epstein. files? So we don't know like the rest of. you like it could come at any moment. It. could be an all one shot but but it will. be close to Christmas. Uh I think you. know the bulk of it I think. So you know.

listen last I'm going to give you a. trivia question Jesse. Do you remember. what case was consuming you and me and. media all through last year's Christmas? This will make it seem like forever ago. >> Was it not? Did he right? No, it wasn't. >> No, no, no. Well, did he had happened, but it wasn't. There was a brand new. story that h the actual event happened. in early December and then the arrest. and all the court stuff was right. through Christmas. >> Tells you something about my job that I. don't remember. >> You'll kick yourself. It's too easy. Luigi Manion.

>> Oh my gosh. Yeah, of course. I could. have forgot that. The shooting was I. want I believe early December, but I. just I remember where I was for. Christmas break. I don't you know I. don't I'm Jewish. I don't celebrate. Christmas, but we went away. I just. remember doing hits from a little. makeshift thing on Luigi court. appearances and Luigi being flown in in. the helicopter and all that. So that's. still going too. >> All right. Well, until everybody can. read whatever files are released, come. at the king. When you come at the king, everybody out. Ellie Ellie Hoden, thank. you so much. Really, really appreciate. it. You were fantastic. >> Thanks, Jess. Appreciate it. Talk to you.

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