Week 4 Recap & Key Moments of Johnny Depp & Amber Heard Trial (Sidebar Podcast EP. 11)

this is the most painful and difficult. thing i've ever gone through. for sure amber heard takes the stand to. defend herself against a defamation. claim by her ex-husband johnny depp i. feel this. boot. in my back. it just kicked me. in the back. i. fell to the floor i caught myself on the. floor and i just felt like i was looking. at the. floor of the plane for felt like a long.

time. and i didn't i thought to myself i don't. know what to do. i can't believe he just did he just. kicked me. so who will the jury believe i'm. angenette levy and welcome to law and. crime sidebar where we look at the. biggest moments of week four of johnny. depp the amber heard and what a week it. was johnny depp wrapped up his case and. amber heard started hers as johnny depp. wrapped up his case one of his security.

guards travis mcgivern said he witnessed. part of an argument between depp and. heard in march 2015. what do you. remember miss heard saying to mr depp on. this occasion. anything and everything specifically. there was. the. you're washed up. um. [Laughter].

uh which which he called her as well um. you're. again the the deadbeat dad um. yeah i don't even remember what the. fight was about but it was um. it was pretty. the f word is my favorite word and. it was being thrown around. to the point where i was uncomfortable.

mcgivern said that depp wanted to leave. the penthouse so he got in touch with. nurse debbie lloyd who was treating depp. for addiction they went to the penthouse. together it was the middle of the night. mr depp. went upstairs and. [Music]. rearranged her closet for her um. threw down. probably every wrap of clothing and. shoes. um.

through one. at least one down the stairs. um. yeah he. he was upset mcgivern said heard threw a. can of red bull at depp and even spit in. his direction she was. agitated. mr depp was agitated. i felt it was time to get mr depp out of. the situation so i stepped. in between miss heard and mr depp.

telling. mr depp that we were that we were. leaving and that it wasn't up to him. anymore. um. at that point. out of the corner of my eye i saw a. fist. and an arm come. across my right shoulder and uh. i heard and saw a. closed fist. contact. mr depp and the left side of his face.

and whose fist was that. that was miss herd's fist amber heard's. fist how did mr depp respond when he was. punched. the initial look on his face um. kind of mirrored mine uh kind of a look. of shock like. what just happened where'd that come. from.

at that point. i wasn't gonna let mr depp get hit. anymore so i. moved him down the last flight of stairs. to the lower level um. and. told him we're leaving it like it wasn't. it wasn't up to him anymore. um just for his safety i didn't. again i had let him get hit by a red. bull can i let him get punched.

my job is to ensure the safety and. well-being of my clients and. i. felt like i hadn't done that but on. cross-examination heard's lawyer ben. rottenborn suggested that amber heard. was actually trying to protect her. sister whitney from johnny depp she. could have been standing in between mr. deputy right. no because i stepped in between miss. heard and mr depp. so she definitely wasn't standing in. between them. well in fact you saw mr depp.

push or shove whitney hurd correct. absolutely not and it was only after mr. depp pushed whitney that amber stepped. forward and punched him in the face. isn't that right. that is not correct then we got to the. heart of this case and possible damages. the defamation depp's talent manager. testified about heard's december 2018. washington post op-ed over which depp is.

suing my testimony is that it. reads like a victim statement from. someone involved. and the recipient and. it. became a. yes a bit of a. death nail catastrophic thing for mr. depp in the hollywood community wiggum. said depp hasn't had a studio film since. the op-ed on cross-examination heard's. attorney suggested that was due to the. story in the sun tabloid in the uk in.

which dan wooten called depp a. wife-beater heard's lawyer suggested. that the ensuing suit by depp which he. lost was really to blame for his loss of. film roles it was also suggested that. depp was being cut from pirates of the. caribbean six before the. you have never op-ed a document that. provides that mr depp was going to be in. pirate six. it would be fair to say that i have not. seen a document on pirates now just so.

you know i don't mr wiggum mr wiggum i. don't i don't need you to give me extra. i just want you to answer mine i just. want to know have you ever seen a. document that says mr depp is going to. be in pirate six. i i only to to fully answer the question. though i think there's. that's an easy yes or no have you seen a. document. technically i.

i perhaps have because it connects to. all the other pirates films it's just a. modification of a new document so i i. have not seen. 22.5 million written on a page you're. correct about that next up richard marks. a hollywood insider a real mover and. shaker who knows how movie deals are. made he talked about johnny depp's. reputation in hollywood he was. you know. one of the. one of the. one of the guys and uh it um.

uh i i never heard uh. any uh. complaints uh you know um. if you will. do you have an opinion about the impact. of the publication of the op-ed on mr. depp's reputation in hollywood. it's devastating it. it's um uh it's it's the type of claim. the metoo claim of.

sexual violence domestic abuse that. has cancelled a list of of uh of actors. uh kris knoth recently i just read. something about frank langella. we know uh. newscasters uh les moonves ahead of abc. cbs. now johnny depp is. in their ranks a really interesting. point that marx made he said this op-ed.

wasn't published in a rag it was in the. washington post and he says that. hollywood was the target audience. it is geared. to hollywood. it says. two years ago when i was. getting my. divorce amber heard is saying. uh i i. was the abuser and you didn't hollywood. you you stood up for my uh uh abuser not. for rejection. he's now he's mischaracterizing the. document.

i think he's he's expressing his. understanding of how it was perceived. objection. what i'm saying is hollywood got the uh. the the subject matter the loud of the. of the op-ed loud and clear. amber heard was calling out hollywood. for. supporting. since night since 2016 supporting her. abuser. and. she felt the wrath of hollywood she was.

calling them out to do something. in the washington post. and. on the eve. of her biggest. film. a big film for hollywood. the publicity machine was in high gear. there was. lots of publicity and uh. news out there. this was the height of of her fame. and she used it at that moment to call. hollywood out they uh.

in my opinion as a member of hollywood. they heard. that plea loud and clear. and. it also got her publicity for her movie. uh you know. i don't think that that. in my perception of people in hollywood. didn't see that as a coincidence that. date. uh and um. so yeah in in hollywood i think um uh. the the message was received that she.

was sending. we also heard more about amber heard and. her health including her mental health. her former nurse aaron borham fellati. testified that heard told her she had a. history of a number of issues including. anxiety bipolar disorder attention. deficit disorder issues with. codependency and occasional insomnia. felati also wrote in her notes that. heard reported being addicted to both. cocaine and liquor in the past and that. heard told her she drank between one and.

three glasses of red wine each day she. then answered questions about herd. having problems being away from depp is. this description of misheard having. feelings of insecurity and jealousy when. not in the presence of mr depp is that. consistent with your recollection. when you were treating ms hurt. i wouldn't say all the time. that was an issue uh. i have a vague sense of those issues. popping up. throughout the years but i wouldn't say.

that that was a constant theme. but you do have recollections of that. being an issue at some time. while you were treating her i would say. that's a fair statement this is an. important point for depp's case. philadel's notes also stated that heard. was jealous of depp's fame and him. interacting with women often felotti saw. her the day after she returned from. australia in march of 2015. that is when. heard claims that depp physically and. sexually assaulted her over three days.

um do you recall how long you spent with. miss hurt that following day. i don't recall my. notes states that i met her for dinner. at 2200 which military time would be 10. p.m. i don't recall how long i was with her. so i would assume a couple hours but. again that i'm just making an assumption.

um. do you recall observing any injuries to. miss her when she when you saw her on. march 9th 2015. now i don't recall i. don't. i don't make. note of it but i. don't recall either. if miss hurt had had. visible injuries is that something that. you would have documented in your. nursing notes. i would assume. so. you uh recall miss heard seeking any.

medical treatment from you when you saw. her on march 9 2015. don't recall. um. if this hurt had sought medical. treatment from you on that date is that. something you would have documented in. your notes. perhaps if there were. requests for medical treatment. that. differed from. sort of day-to-day status then yes i.

might have put it in my notes if i. hadn't discussed with dr kipper but. i. i don't make any. reference to it in this particular note. then in december of the same year. fellotti's notes reported that she went. to the penthouse to deliver medications. to herd she wrote down what she observed. client greeted are in the door looking. disheveled. hair appeared unbrushed client appeared. weepy and sad. posture is slouched.

client told rn about argument with. husband. aren't over offered emotional support. but reminded client that rn could not. say is was on duty with another client. and was only visiting in order to. deliver medication. her client she'd not been. she had not had contact with husband. since altercation. client had visible bright red blood. appearing at center of lower lip. when rn made client aware that she acted. was actively bleeding on her lip clients. stated it was from. injury sustained in the.

and then it's blank you see that and. then we keep going down in the argument. between her. and her husband and that it continues to. bleed actively. you wrote that. yes. and then you also wrote clients also. states. that her head is bruised and that she. lost clumps of hair and alternation. you wrote that. [Music]. i assume so it's in my notes okay and. then you wrote aaron briefly looked the. client's scalp but was unable to. visualize the the hematoma's client had.

described. you wrote that. yes i would agree when questioned by. heard's attorneys felotti discussed her. interaction with johnny depp following. the may 21 2016 interaction between depp. and heard at the penthouse you wrote. client is going through divorce with. wife amber h and is dealing with the. loss of his mother. passed away one month ago. client was provided with the divorce. request from wife ah three days after.

mother passed away do you see that. yes. you wrote that. yes. so was it your understanding that. amber asked for a divorce. this note says. that. mr depp was provided with divorce. request. from. [Music]. ms heard so it appears she. she was the one.

requesting the course. right and you wrote next client states. he was not aware ah wanted divorce. and expresses confusion regarding age as. desire to terminate marriage you wrote. that. yes. is that what mr depp told you. i would assume if i wrote it in my net. in my notes. fellotti also testified about her. texting her on may 26 2016 asking for. ambien calling that week before.

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spotify or any of your favorite podcast. apps depp's final witness mike spindler. a forensic accountant he testified about. depp's financial losses following the. publication of the washington post op-ed. what does the figure at the bottom. corner of the chart the 40 million 318. dollars and. 40 million 318 237 what does that. represent well that's your grand total. that's the sum of those two components.

for total. lost earnings. of 40.3 million dollars on cross heard's. lawyers tried to point out that depp's. income was already declining beginning. in 2010. after spindler depp's lawyers. rested their case and heard's lawyers. asked judge askaratti to strike the. defamation suit but judge asked karate. denied the request and said the case. will go to the jury heard called her. first witness dr don hughes a forensic. psychologist who evaluated herd.

at the end of that process considering. all the data. did you arrive at any expert opinions. yes i did all right i'm going i'd like. to start with your main expert opinions. and then go through those can you please. tell the jury what your main opinions. were. um so like i said there are opinions. embedded within them but the main. opinion is that um ms heard's report of. intimate partner violence. and the records that i reviewed is. consistent with what we know in the.

field about intimate partner violence. characterized by physical violence. psychological aggression. sexual violence coercive control. and surveillance behaviors dr hughes. said that she disagreed with dr curry's. assessment that heard has both. borderline and histrionic personality. disorders and also disagreed with. curry's claim that her does not suffer. from post-traumatic stress disorder you. had already diagnosed her with ptsd. before you did the gold standard.

correct before i administered the caps 5. there was enough data in the. psychological testing and my clinical. evaluation to establish that she met. criteria for ptsd that is correct dr. hughes detailed a number of herd's. claims that depp sexually and physically. abused her the incident in australia was. one of the most severe instances of. sexual violence that. miss heard had to endure in which when. he was. beating her and choking her and telling. her i'm going to kill you i hate you i.

hate you i'm going to fucking kill you. when he grabs a bottle that was on the. bar and penetrated her with that bottle. and miss her reported to me of of. dissociating and going outside of her. body and the only thing she was thinking. is. oh god i hope it's not the broken one. hughes said that heard engaged in what. she called reactive violence and that it. was minimal meaning her violence was in. response to depths but on. cross-examination depp's lawyer wayne. dennison played an audio recording of.

depp and heard and then questioned. hughes about it i said to travis i said. no i said to you. hey tell travis what just happened are. you telling me to do it you told me to. you said go do that i said no tell him. what you're saying all right why that. you punched me. you figured. i'm sorry that i didn't. uh uh hit you.

across the face in a proper slap but i. was hitting you it was not punching you. babe you're not punched don't tell me. what it feels like to be punished you. know you've been a lot of fights been. around a long time i know yeah. you didn't get punched you got hit i'm. sorry i hit you like this but i did not. punch you i did not fucking deck you i. was hitting you i don't know what the. boat motion of my actual hand was but. you're fine i did not hurt you i did not. punch you i was hitting how are you how.

what am i supposed to do do this. i'm not sitting here bitching about it. am i you are that's the difference. between me and you your baby. you are such a. baby physical fights i did start a. physical fight you did so because. yes you did so you did the right thing. the big thing the you know what you're. admirable. you agree with miss heard that it's. admirable to retreat from a fight.

is it is it admirable to it is admirable. to retreat from a fight yeah. um. anything about this tape suggest to you. that it's characteristic of reactive. violence. in this instance if true if she said she. hit him first then that would not be. reactive violence you. cannot. testify.

that johnny depp. was not abused. kenya. i i can testify that he had physical. acts of violence perpetrated on him as. well as psychological aggressive acts. perpetrated upon him amber heard was. supposed to be the first witness in her. case but her lawyers made a game time. decision to call dr hughes instead which. laid the groundwork for amber heard's. testimony why are you here. i am here because my ex-husband.

is suing me. for an op-ed i wrote. and how do you feel about that. i. um. i. struggle to have the words. i struggle to find the words to describe. how. painful this is. this is horrible. for me to sit here. for.

weeks and. relive everything. um. here. people that i. knew um. some well some not. my ex-husband with whom i shared a life. um. speak um. about our lives in the way that they. have. um.

this has been one of this is the most. painful and difficult thing i've ever. gone through. for sure heard testified that depp was. physically and verbally abusive even. before they married she recalled the. trip to the hicksville trailer park. heard said that they were going to do. laffy drugs out in the desert because. there was really nothing else to do she. said a woman with them had taken mdma. and touched her shoulder. heard said she had eaten a mushroom but. wasn't yet feeling the effects of it she. said depth threatened to break the.

woman's wrist saying that's my woman. they went into the trailer to talk about. it and that's when heard claims that. depp broke a wall sconce and sexually. assaulted her he's like grabbing my my. my breasts he's touching my thighs. he rips my underwear off. and then. he.

proceeds to do a cavity search. he was looking he said he was looking. for his drugs his cocaine his coke. i was wondering how i somebody who. didn't do cocaine. and was against it. that was in and of itself causing. problems in our relationship. how could i hide why would i hide his.

drugs from like like he was insinuating. that i was doing it or something it made. no sense. and. he was telling me we're doing we're good. we're going to conduct a cavity search. shall we. i. like. just shoved his fingers inside me. i.

just just. just stood there staring at the stupid. light. you know what you know i didn't know. what to do i just stood. i just stood there. while he did that he twisted his fingers. around. johnny depp raised his eyebrows as herd. spoke his account of that night is. different. in june of 2013 heard said that she was. torn and wanted to want to leave johnny. depp the next month she said depp choked.

her while they were in the bahamas for. talking about his drinking with his then. teenage daughter lily rose. despite this heard said that she. accepted his proposal of marriage in. september 2013 calling depp the love of. her life depp proposed in london where. heard was filming london fields with. billy bob thornton the proposal she said. happened in the same hotel where she in. depth had consummated their relationship. two years earlier he got down on. one knee. and.

said i want you to. be my girl be my girl forever my woman. my girl. i want you to be the rest of my life say. yes to me. he said he wanted to spend every. every day. he promised me. that every day when i woke up. that i would wake up and he would make. me smile at least once. and that would be his goal.

and. you know i looked into. his eyes and. i saw. my future. hope you know like blind hope so in love. yes. it was. one of the most. i can't describe that kind of. joy you know i thought. you know if we were married then.

this is real hurt of course said yes and. she claimed depp wanted her to work less. and that he was jealous of her career. and he would say you don't have to work. kid let me take care of you my woman. doesn't have to work. and that sounds really sweet and really. romantic in in some way but it became a. real fight you know every time. i got a script it was what kind of. you know how i was dressing what kind of. behavior i'd have what how did i have a. sex scene and then i started saying no i. won't take the sex scenes or you know.

i'll take the part where i. don't play. you know that kind of character or then. i started minimizing the kinds of. kissing scenes that i had and eventually. i had to change the wardrobe. that i could have in in the movie i. couldn't have a. couldn't have a sex scene but that all. you know was. it didn't happen all at once of course. it was little thing after a little thing. after a little thing heard went on to. describe another incident in november of.

2013. you know these kids were. i found them to be these beautiful. wildly intelligent little. weirdos in the best way you know they. were. i was. falling in love with them. and. you know they they. were in my life um at that time a short. amount of time but i i i loved it and i. felt i started to feel very protective.

and this argument happened because the. johnny was. i i didn't agree that this. gentleman uh it was a. famous musician. over the age of 18. spent the night at the house. and i felt protective. over lily rose and concerned. and. naturally they're. not they were not my children it's not.

my place. and i understand that. i know it's a sensitive subject so. i understand why. johnny got so upset with me. but that and the introduction of the. weed. with his daughter she was so young i. just felt protective. heard testified about an incident. following the met gala in 2014 where she. said depp accused her of flirting with a. woman heard is bisexual. and johnny starts asking me about. this woman.

he thought i was looking at this woman. in a. sexual way he was accusing me of. flirting. and that's how the argument started i i. don't recall what other accusations i. was fielding at that moment but. typically in my experience with him it. wasn't just one. so you'd make a point and then he would. go on to a different accusation. but i remembered that what started it is.

this accusation that i. had been flirting at this event. we get back to the hotel room. and. johnny shoves me. and kind of grabs me by the collarbone. area like not really my neck but. top of my neck. top of my above my collarbone below my. neck. um. i i think at that point when we were. still in the living room i shoved him. back. but i can't i don't really recall um.

too many specifics i remember he threw a. bottle at me it missed me but it broke. the chandelier. and at some point i remember. um maybe this was. the shove that i was talking about but. at some point uh johnny and i are in a. struggle in the living room and. he kind of like shoves me down on the. sofa and i get up and i'm trying to get. him off of me and it's just. stronger than me i don't know how else. to describe it.

and at some point he just whacks me in. the face then in may of 2014 heard said. that she started filming a movie with. james franco sparking an argument on. that plane ride we've heard so much. about from boston to los angeles depp. had been in boston filming black mass he. was mad at me. for taking the job with james franco he. hated. hated. james franco. and was. already accusing.

me. of kind of secretly having a thing with. him in my past since we had done. pineapple express together heard said. that she in depth argued about james. franco on the flight she testified that. depp slapped her face during the. argument. i got up. to move again and he's just taunting me. having a laugh screaming. and then just straight up mean calling. me names. and it was oscillating between those. things and i get up slowly again and i.

just. resolved to just sit the rest of the. time up at the front of the plane. and. as i get up. he kind of kicks the swivel chair into. my hip but kind of just hits me. and i look at him. and he asks me what what are you gonna. do about it. we. i just stared at him i just stared. at him and.

wanted him to see me i wanted to get. through to him didn't feel there was. like i it felt like there was a. blackness in his eyes i wanted to look. at him i wanted him to see me it didn't. even feel like him. and. as i'm walking away. slowly trying not to be i was being very. deliberate about my movements. wasn't saying anything i wasn't engaging. i am walking away from him slowly and he.

tells me to hurry the fuck up. hurry up. and i just. look at him one more time. wanting to penetrate the monster to see. the man that i love underneath that. the man i loved. and he tells me to hurry up again. and i pull my gaze away from him i walk. away from him. my back is turned to him and i feel this.

boot. in my back. it just kicked me. in the back. i. fell to the floor i caught myself on the. floor and i just felt like i was looking. at the. floor of the plane for felt like a long. time. and i didn't i thought to myself. i don't know what to do. i can't believe he just did he just. kicked me.

no one said anything no one did anything. now remember this differs from depp's. account of what happened his friend. keenan wyatt had testified he didn't see. depp act violently toward heard at all. heard's lawyer played a recording of. depp from the plane she claims he was. blacked out. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music]. [Applause].

[Applause]. [Music]. heard then described depp's detox from. the painkiller oxycodone on his island. in the bahamas that also happened in. 2014. heard claimed depp slapped her in. the face. it was for the first few days. okay. peaceful i. the nurse. and then later nurse and doctor were. staying on a different part of the. island.

a few minutes drive. by atv like 10-15 minute. you know by one of those atv vehicles. but we communicated via walkie-talkie. and occasionally through text and um it. was just it was okay at first and then. the behavior. [Music]. that it just really wasn't okay uh it. was. up. down he'd be mad at me. then he was wanting a hug. he cried. a lot and then he.

um. you know wanted to have sex a lot like. which is just not like johnny at all the. comment about johnny depp not liking to. have sex a lot really seemed to be kind. of a dig that she threw in there at the. last second she then went on to detail. one of the most violent assaults that. she alleges she says it happened in. march 2015 when johnny depp was filming. pirates of the caribbean five this is. when depp says heard threw vodka bottles. at him leading to part of his right.

middle finger being severed but heard. described it much differently saying. depp had taken between eight and ten. ecstasy pills she admits that they. argued and that she actually slammed a. bottle of liquor on the floor. then she said depp ripped off her. nightgown and assaulted her with a. liquor bottle i felt this pressure i. felt this pressure. on my pubic.

i just saw his arm i could feel his arm. moving and. it looked like he was. punching me. but i could just feel this pressure. it was like. it was hitting. feel pain it was just a pressure on my. pubic bone and. i.

don't know. i i don't. remember. what i said. i just remember being really still. not wanting to move. i remember looking around the room. i remember. looking at all the broken bottles.

broken glass. and i remember her that is just. not wanting to move. because i didn't know if it was broken i. didn't know if the bottle. that he had inside me was broken. i convinced myself it wasn't broken and. that. that i. that the bottle wasn't broken or else it. would be a lot worse and. the. discomfort i was feeling afterwards just.

paled in comparison to how. scared. shocked i was i'm scared i just married. this man. i just married him. and. forgive me for asking this but i need to. just make sure the record's clear. you were. penetrated. up the vagina into the pubic bone is. that correct objection your honor.

leading sustained. what if any penetration was there in. your vagina. i'm so sorry. i am so sorry. johnny i had the bottle inside of me. and was. shoving it inside of me over and over.

again during his testimony johnny depp. denied ever sexually or physically. assaulting amber heard heard also. described an argument after australia. where she said that she saw text. messages on depp's ipad between him and. a woman heard said that depp and this. woman had been intimate in the past and. she admitted to punching johnny depp she. says in defense of her sister whitney my. sister. all of a sudden put herself.

in between johnny and i. she just threw herself. like in the line of fire or whatever she. just. all of a sudden there was trying to get. johnny to stop. her back was to the staircase. and. johnny swings at her. and i just. see my little sister with her back on. face. her back to the staircase.

and johnny swings at her and i don't. even. wait. don't even wait for. any other i don't hesitate i don't wait. i just in my head instantly think of. kate moss and the stairs. and i. swung at him kate moss of course is the. stunning british supermodel that johnny. depdated in the 1990s right after heard. said kate moss depp smiled and his. attorney ben chu turned around and.

smiled broadly giving his legal team a. fist pump some of our legal eagles. believe this comment opened the door for. depp's team to cross-examine heard about. her past relationships including an. incident in which it was alleged that. heard assaulted her ex-wife another. reason this is interesting during the uk. trial heard testified that two people. told her that johnny depp had thrown. kate moss down a flight of stairs when. the couple dated we're working to learn. more about that specific claim but a.

source close to johnny depp told me that. kate moss and johnny depp remain. friendly and that moss supports stepp. now back to the incident in the. penthouse where heard said it was the. first time she had ever hit johnny depp. in all of my relationship to date with. johnny. i hadn't landed a blow. and i. for the first time. hit him. like actually hit him. square in the face.

he didn't push my sister down the stairs. and all of my time. all my time. being in that relationship to that point. hadn't even landed one on johnny heart. also discussed incidents later in that. year one of them taking place in the. bahamas where she said she threw a can. at johnny depp's face she claimed that. he had started it and been physically. violent with her.

when court ended for the week heard was. still testifying on direct examination. depp's lawyer camille vasquez will. cross-examine amber heard so we're going. to have to wait unfortunately until the. week of may 16 to watch that. cross-examination and to see whether or. not kate moss will testify during johnny. depp's rebuttal case until then we have. great content for you to watch on law. and crimes youtube channel and we will. still be producing episodes of sidebar. so watch out for that it's going to be a.

lot of great shows with some bonus. content and you can find our podcast of. course on apple youtube spotify and. anywhere else you get your podcasts i'm. angenette levy and thanks for joining us. for this edition of law and crime. sidebar we'll see you next time. [Music]. you.