Top 5 Times Jeffrey Dahmer Evaded Law Enforcement

dear heartbeat. with Jeffrey Dahmer back in the public. conversation the question becomes why. wasn't he caught sooner filmmaker and. author John Borowski comes on to go. through the top five times when Dahmer. evaded capture. [Music]. what are you doing well we wanted to. continue our conversation on Jeffrey.

Dahmer this is the notorious serial. killer who murdered and mutilated the. bodies of 17 people a crime spree that. dated from the late 70s to the early. 1990s now Dahmer's back in the news of. course because of this Netflix show. Monster the Jeffrey Dahmer story and as. we reported here on sidebar this. miniseries has received a ton of. backlash from victims family members the. lgbtq community a key prosecutor. everything from now I'm not being. consulted as a part of the show to false. narratives that are being portrayed on.

the show to even the claim of their the. show is glorifying Jeffrey Dahmer so. there's a lot of controversy surrounding. it but I will tell you one of the most. shocking aspects of the show and also. Jeffrey Dahmer in real life is how many. times he almost got caught but for. multiple reasons he wasn't and I think. that's one of the biggest tragedies of. this whole situation how he could have. been stopped or earlier but something. happened so we thought let's get into. that because it really is a fascinating.

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filmmaker and author John Borowski who. actually wrote the book Dahmer's. confession the Milwaukee Cannibal's. arrest statements John great to have you. here on sidebar thanks for taking the. time thank you for having me I really. appreciate it and love your show and. love the truth that you put out there. because again this is all about the. truth of these cases at least how much. we could research and find out about. them I I appreciate we all appreciate. you saying that because that's what we. are trying to do is you know as much as. is the sensationalism of the show we're. trying to understand exactly what really. happened and so let's go through the top.

five times that Dahmer was almost caught. that he evaded capture and I'll start. with one that was portrayed in the show. this is when police pulled Jeffrey. Dahmer over for drunk driving and he. actually has the dead dismembered body. of I believe his first victim Stephen. Hicks in the back seat. talk to me did this really happen and. how was he not caught. it did really happen and that's the sad. thing about especially a lot of these. earlier serial killer cases that they do.

get away with it for so long and that's. why I think people are fascinated by the. predatory aspect of you know these human. monsters in that respect but yeah Dahmer. uh like he did with all of his victims. he murdered uh Stephen Hicks and then he. dismembered the body so he takes the. body parts and he puts them into plastic. garbage bags and then he gets in the car. within he wants to take the plastic bags. to the local city garbage dump to dump. them so you know they wouldn't be found. in the garbage cans outside because he.

just pretty much the first victim he. just dismembered him he didn't take the. flesh off the skin or anything like that. so on his way to the garbage dump he's. driving a little erratically and the. police do pull him over for suspected. drunk driving well they talked to Dahmer. and of course this was his first time. dealing with the police and having a. body you know basically in the back seat. so he tells them look my parents are. going through a bad divorce and I'm. tired and that's is why I was driving. erratically you know and this is the. thing the officers as many as much as.

many people met dommer throughout his uh. murdering career they said he just seems. so normal and you know they Shine the. Light in the car they see these garbage. bags in the back seat but they don't. think much of it at the time they give. them a ticket and send him on his way. and that was the first incident and. Dahmer learned from that what did he. learn wow I could get away with murder. and these serial killers with each. murder they refine their techniques. you're right he did and I think he. became very believable right so we moved.

to that which I again I think is one of. the most disturbing ones to this is. really really Next Level it concerns two. brothers and and I I'll just say right. now I I'm doing my best to pronounce. their names correctly somsac and conorak. synthasa phone. um these this is really Next Level so. first let's talk about sumsack who my. understanding is Dahmer was arrested for. sexually assaulting this boy when he was. 13 years old and he basically served no.

time and and my understanding is this is. after he's already killed someone. yes it's a sad story. um you know Sam sack obviously was awful. and. cruising you know Dahmer would go. cruising and victim solicitation is very. important he met him at the local mall. he would go to malls the Greyhound. station gay bars he would go to Chicago. stay in Milwaukee to look for these. victims and of course his victims were. you know anything from early teens to.

early 20s and um he picked samsak up. brings him back to his place it's. usually with the Allure of I'm going to. take pictures of you and I'm going to. give you some money and he would take. Polaroids of his victims before kind of. during and after their murders and he. drugged Sam sack and assaulted him and. then eventually you know he's caught for. that and he is arrested and he serves. only a week in jail and he's given a. one-year probation on a work probation. where he could still work so that was.

just interrupt how is it possible he. only served one week and how is it. possible that some sack was a lot like a. lot he survived this yeah you know and. and that's the thing about serial. killers sometimes they do let their. victims go for numerous reasons maybe. there was a witness maybe there's. another reason why he's afraid of you. know murdering this victim but you know. and that's sometimes the problem with. the legal system of course we know that. and many times criminals have more. rights than just the ordinary citizen or.

non-criminals and that's been a big part. of these cases especially Gacy and. Dahmer when they have these victims and. then they are apprehended they seem to. wiggle out of the system and again they. base it on past arrests well he didn't. really have that much of a record before. and he seems like a nice guy he seems. like he's got his stuff together he's so. quiet and soft-spoken and that's the. Allure of the serial killer that's why. they could be our fathers neighbors. bosses husbands and and people don't. want to realize that fact but they can.

be and that's a frightening aspect about. it that's the chilling aspect of that. and you know look one of the common. criticisms of all this of the police. department is because this dealt with. same-sex uh issues and it dealt with gay. uh gay men that perhaps they didn't show. the kind of attention to the. investigation and that brings me now to. some sac's brother conorak which this is. just the worst thing this happened again. I think three years later when this boy. was 14 years old he was able to escape.

Dahmer but police actually brought him. back to Dahmer's apartment and then. Dahmer killed him is this true it is. true you know uh Conor X death has to be. to me at least the saddest victim story. of all the serial killer stories I mean. not that any others are important but. his is sad because the police basically. fed him to Dahmer on a silver platter. literally when you think about it. um so Dahmer had counteracted in his.

apartment lured him there with taking. pictures giving him money gave him. sleeping pills like he would give all. his victims and then once he passed out. Dahmer drilled holes in his head and. poured acid into those holes because he. wanted to experiment to make a real-life. zombie in a sense so Dahmer goes out for. beer and on his way back he sees conorak. outside with a couple old neighbors and. the police officers so Dahmer tells the. police look and counteract was naked and. obviously distraught Dahmer tells the. officers well look you know we just had.

a uh you know argument and this is a. lover spat and that's how a lot of these. serial killers get away with that too. Casey did the same thing saying well. this was consensual and it was s m that. got a little out of hand and you know of. course gay at the time whether it's 70s. 80s or even early 90s you know at. you know officers you know or anybody. you know may take a different view on it. and say okay you know this is the fact. so then what they did was they actually.

escorted Conor mcendamar back to. Dahmer's apartment. and they left Dahmer murders conorak now. if the police would have went in the. other room there was a body in there. Dahmer's last victim was in the other. room plus a vatic acid skulls a torso so. you know again I mean yes in many of. these cases the police are cited as you. know not doing their job but you know. there's two sides to every story as well. now you look at the the cases and the.

evidence well you know walking in that. apartment there may not have been an. Evidence of course there was a smell and. maybe where they wanted to get out of. there quickly because of the stench I'm. sure it smelled worse than dead rats you. know but you know you have these issues. where there's no evidence again the guy. seems like a nice guy but then also. White Privilege may have played a factor. in race because Dahmer lived in a. building that was pretty dominantly. black so he was one or maybe the only. white person living in that building so. you look at these aspects too of course. which happened with Casey you know these.

are white guys who seem okay they. they're well dressed they've got their. stuff together they're working blah blah. blah and you know again at that time. period you didn't have the DNA profiling. and there were no victims these victims. they weren't searching for them and. they're classified just as missing. persons and that happens a lot. that leads me into number four the. number four. um top moment when he evaded capture and. this is kind of while encompassing. because a central figure in the show is. Glenda Cleveland played by Niecy Nash. this is somebody who my understanding is.

she didn't actually live next door to. Dom or she lived in an adjacent building. to Dahmer but she talked about the. stench the weird noises the fighting. um and her claims were just ignored I. mean that's what's shown in the Netflix. show how accurate is that because if you. were to just take her word for it and. follow up it seems like he could have. been caught sooner that's true I mean. pan you know Cleveland was an. amalgamation on the show of at Cleveland. and Pamela uh bass who she was the.

actual next door neighbor and a lot of. times in TV shows they'll do that they. may bring certain characters together as. one character or change some things. around but they're still telling the. truth of the case in that sense and you. know yes there were complaints about the. smells the noises and supposedly police. were even called but they went to the. wrong address so they never even showed. up there to investigate these smells and. these noises probably a power saws maybe. people screaming but then again let's. look at that building you know again. people police might have been called. there many times for infractions in this.

building trouble in the building and you. know unless maybe it was to them a. certain priority deemed a priority they. would they may not have even gone and. and that's also an issue we see with law. enforcement as well. um but yeah you know that was another. set and again Dahmer would use excuses. because as he got better at his uh you. know murdering he also got better at his. con game which serial killers have to be. great con men he would use excuses well. there's meat in my freezer that's. expired he would show the superintendent.

look at the meat of my freezer and I'm. sure he planted there on purpose in case. this happened or he would say well my. fish tank was dirty and that's smelling. up the whole place I had to clean it out. so you know he knew what to say to get. away with these you know uh murders it's. it's sad and that kind of and that leads. me to the last one and we probably could. have had more to go through but this one. really struck me this is Ronald flowers. so this is a guy who was apparently. drugged by Dahmer with coffee brought. back to Dahmer's grandmother's house my. understanding is he he's able to leave.

there. um maybe because the grandmother was. present. um and he reports this to police but. again nothing happens what can you tell. us about this yeah flowers was another. victim that Dahmer picked up you know at. a gay bar and you know he would hunt gay. bars the Greyhound station malls other. places so brings them back to the. grandmother's house and like all of his. victims he learned that putting sleeping. pills in coffee was the best way to do. it Dahmer had some people stay with him. for a week or more when victims stayed. with him for two weeks but the minute. the guy said I have to go here I'm going.

to make a coffee drink and then that was. it for him so flowers gets a dumber's. place he's you know gets drugged by. Dahmer and then he wakes up in the. morning he's dazed he's assaulted there. are bruises on his body he's robbed. Dahmer puts him on a bus and and flowers. leaves well flowers goes to the police. and says you know look this guy robbed. me he assaulted me look at my bruises. and the police you know contact Dahmer. they do you know arrest him and uh the.

case is dismissed unfortunately but you. know again this plays into that whole. the the who the victim is how gays may. have been seen at that time period yes. that's true but again this lack of. evidence and it is what it is in that. sense and it goes back to Dahmer. probably saying The Killers usually say. well this was just consensual you know. he wanted me to hit him a little and you. know it was an s m thing and at that. time the police would say okay you know. what this is a gay thing let them you. know. let them be it's just an amalgamation of.

different factors that as I said is a. tragedy because if he was caught sooner. he had such a long time spree perhaps. lives could have been saved John. Borowski thank you so much for coming on. taking the time and I encourage. everybody to pick up your book to learn. a little bit more about Jeffrey Dahmer. thanks so much and thanks everybody for. joining us here on sidebar please. subscribe on Apple podcast Spotify. YouTube wherever you get your podcast. I'm Jesse Weber we'll speak to you next. time. foreign.

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