STUNNING Arrest After Toddler Found Dead in River

As responders and community members, our. hearts are heavy, but we know it can't. compare to how his family is feeling and. what they are going through. >> A 2-year-old boy was happily playing in. his backyard out in Oregon when he. suddenly vanished. And a volunteer diver. found Dne Pollson's small body in a. river 2 mi from his home. Now, his. [music] own father faces a criminal. charge. The question now is, was Dne's. disappearance and death just a horrible. tragedy or something else? [music] We're. going to be sitting down with a former. child abuse prosecutor to analyze the.

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thought was just playing in the. backyard, was gone. The area where Dne's. family lived, Lincoln County, Oregon. It. includes a Native American reservation, the Confederated Tribes of Celeste. Indians. It's a heavily wooded area. It's beautiful, but it's also dangerous. It's potentially deadly if someone were. to get lost in there. and especially. dangerous for a child on their own. Now, Dne was first reported missing on March. 1st. It's a Saturday at around 4:30 PM. This is according to the Lincoln County, Oregon Sheriff's Office. According to. Dne's parents, Aaron Pollson and Sheet.

Jackson, he was last seen wearing a gray. fuzzy hoodie with ears, black pants, and. blue and white shoes. Over the course of. 10 days, law enforcement members and. volunteers, they poured in from all over. the area to search the land and the. Clet's River, looking for any sign of. Dne. Sheriff's office says that it. followed up on nearly 200 tips and. leads. Family members had told. investigators that Dne he liked being. around water, but he couldn't swim. Little boy. And it wasn't until March. 11th that Dne's small body was.

discovered by a volunteer diver around 3. miles down river from his family's. property. This is according to details. that were released at a news conference. During that presser, the Lincoln County. Sheriff's public information officer, Jess Palma, provided updates to. reporters after Dne's body was found, going over different parts of the. investigation and also highlighting. important pieces of evidence. >> On Saturday, March 1st, 2025, at. approximately 4:25 p.m., the Lincoln. County Sheriff's Office was notified of. a missing 2-year-old male, Dne Pollson.

At that time of his disappearance, Dne. was reported to be playing in the yard. of his res residence located near mile. post 21 on Selelet's River Highway in. Cletes, Oregon. Upon notification of. Dan's disappearance, members of the. Lincoln County Sheriff's Office, Selelet. Valley Fire, Oregon State Police, Newport Police, Lincoln City Police, and. the Lincoln County Sheriff's Office. search and rescue team responded to the.

scene. Investigators interviewed Dne's. parents and emergency personnel. immediately be began searching the. residential property and surrounding. area. This search included the family home, yard, and structures, neighboring. properties, nearby roads, rough terrain, including rough forested areas with. thick, dense brush, and portions of the. Clet River and river banks. In addition to ground searches, aerial. drones with thermal imaging also allowed.

responders to widen the search. >> Now, to be clear, authorities determined. that this investigation was pointing. more and more towards the water, right, the Clet River specifically, and it was. near the water's edge that investigators. found a critical piece of evidence, Dne's shoe print. The Lincoln County. Sheriff's Office and partnering agencies. had watercraft searching the river. beginning the morning of Sunday, March. 2nd through March 11th, when Dne was. recovered. Divers began searching the.

river on Monday, March 3rd, and remained. active through Tuesday, March 4th. Search leaders were coordinating. additional resource requests to ensure. divers could resume underwater searches. in the coming days. After three full days of search and. investigation, all evidence was pointing. to the Clet River. This evidence included the surrounding. land being as thoroughly searched as. possible, leads from scent tracking dogs.

which tracked Dne's scent down to the. river, and shoe prints comparable to. Dne's size found down at the river's. edge. On March 4th, this evidence led. responders to primarily focus search. efforts on the Seleletes River. Investigators continued to pursue leads. by interviewing, investigating, and. following up on community tips. Throughout this investigation and. search, our teams utilized additional. personnel with specialized training and. equipment.

During the search and investigation, diver Juan Herita with Angel's Recovery. Dive Team connected with Dne's family. Using information provided by our team. and with the help of a local river. guide, Juan began his search. On March 11th, at approximately 11:13. a.m., Juan located a small child in the. river downstream of where officials had. paused their search. The Lincoln County. Medical Examiner's Office was notified. and responded to the scene. They. transported Dne to the State Medical.

Examiner's Office where an autopsy was. completed on March 12th. Results from. this autopsy confirmed Dne's cause of. death was drowning. There's there was no evidence that. indicated additional trauma to his body. At this time, no criminal charges have. been filed regarding the death of Dne. Pollson. >> And then you had the sheriff himself, Sheriff Adam Shanks, address why the. department's own search teams out on the. water, why they didn't find Dne. >> Dne was found in the Seleletes River,

approximately 3 miles downstream from. the family's property. This area of river had been surface. searched several times by multiple. watercraft operated by our first. responders as well as community. volunteers. Daily boat operations continued through. the day Dne was found. Additionally, our initial dive operations were. conducted over a two-day period on March. 3rd and 4th, two days after Dne's. disappearance.

22 divers from multiple sheriff's. offices and search and rescue teams had. searched an approximate two-mile stretch. of the Seleletes River, beginning from. the property where Dne went missing, moving downstream. These areas were determined to be the. highest probability areas, meaning they were deemed the most likely. place DNE would be found based on. several factors such as river height, flow, and speed of current, the time. frame DNE had been missing, and body.

composition. On [snorts] March 11, 2025, Juan Heredia. with Angel's Recovery Dive Team arrived. on scene as a volunteer to assist in the. search for Dne. Sheriff's Office divers had or excuse. me, sheriff's office personnel briefed. Juan's boat operator, a local river. guide, on the areas divers had already. searched. Using this information, the river guide. escorted Juan onto the river where he. began searching areas downstream from.

where divers had thoroughly combed. Juan. located Dne underwater approximately 3. miles from the point of his. disappearance. >> Now, Sergeant Nick Vale reiterated how. fortunate the department was to have the. help of so many search members, which. allowed them to cover just an incredible. amount of ground. >> We're humbled by the servant spirit. displayed by each of these partners. They traveled from their communities to. help find a missing piece of ours as. they searched, logging nearly 700 miles.

on foot and covering extensive lengths. along the Celelet River. Detectives combed through hundreds of. community tips from in-person contacts. and social media contacts, messages, and. posts. Law enforcement conducted. hundreds of interviews, including those. of Dne's family and members of this. community. Investigators continue to finalize. documentation in the preparation of this. case for review by the Lincoln County.

District Attorney's Office, which is a. standard practice in all death. investigations. Resolved as we were to find DNE, the our. investigation and the evidence available. all pointed to the Celeste River. River searches such as this are dynamic, rapidly evolving, and dangerous for all. parties involved. Complications such as water temperature, the speed of a current, fixed or moving. debris influence search operations on a. continuous basis.

Further variables such as the size of a. body, the length of submersion and. clothing worn all impact the timeline. that a person may uh resurface. In this case, we utilized multiple water. resources, including uh surface water. searchers, water scent canines, aerial. and underwater drones, underwater sonar, and divers to plan daily search. operations on the Celeste River in hopes. of bringing Dne home to his family.

On the day of March 11th, Dne was. located in about 8 ft of water in the. Celeste River by Juan Herdia of the. Angel's Recovery Dive Team. He was about. one mile from our most recent dive. operation. Juan is the embodiment of the same. spirit of service that has humbled us. over our 10-day operation. His compassion for others, his. willingness to give of himself to our. community. is what helped bring closure to Dne's.

family. On behalf of the Lincoln County. Sheriff's Office, the investigations and. search teams, and our community, I offer. our sincerest gratitude. Thank you all. for helping to bring Dane home. >> Investigators referred to Juan Heredia. several times during their news. conference back in March. He's the. founder of Angel's Recovery Dive Team, which describes itself as compassionate. underwater recovery services for. families in need. They do an incredible. service. According to an August. interview with Jefferson Public Radio in.

Oregon, since founding the organization. last year, Heredia has helped recover. more than a dozen bodies. He spoke with. outlet KIN after the discovery, saying. that he was actually in Mexico when he. heard about the search for Dne Pulse, and he says he hopped in his truck, drove 12 hours to get to Oregon and help. out. Heria told reporters that he was. only in the water for around 2 hours. when he spotted the boy shoes. Since. then, Heredia has posted on his Facebook. page that he visited with Dne's family, paid his respects at a small memorial.

He wrote, "I came to visit baby Dne and. his mom and dad. Forever my new family. God bless this beautiful family. RIP my. baby Dne." And after the toddler's body. was found, there was an autopsy that was. performed. And the medical examiner's. office concluded that Dne drowned. And. at the time, law enforcement said there. was quote, "no evidence to suggest. criminal actions are involved." But then. there was a change. The case was. referred to the district attorney's. office for review. And on Thursday, October 16th, the case was presented to.

a grand jury who decided there was. enough evidence to indict Aaron Pollson. Again, Dne's dad, on one count of child. neglect, that is a class A misdemeanor. The DA's office said in a statement, quote, "After deliberating and voting. privately, a grand jury returns a true. bill charging an individual with a crime. only if at least five out of seven. jurors determine there is sufficient. evidence to warrant a conviction." Now, court records reviewed by Oregon news. outlet KATU say that Pollson quote. custody or control of Dne Pollson did.

unlawfully and with criminal negligence. leave Dne Pollson a child under the age. of 10 years unattended in or at a place. for such a period of time as was likely. to endanger the health or welfare of. said child. And other than their short. statement, the DA's office has been very. tight- lip about the reasoning behind. the neglect charge, which makes this. kind of curious, right? What do they. have? Paul said he was arrested. His. bail was set at $20,000. He's scheduled. to be arraigned today, actually, November 3rd. So, to talk about the. case, whether charges are really.

warranted here, whether they make sense, what might be going on, I want to bring. in practice professor of law and former. child abuse prosecutor Marian Brocha. Thank you so much for coming on. It's. always good to see you. Um, experts, community volunteers, they search this. area around DNE's home. Okay. Okay. So, there's this investigation that's going. on at the family property, too, to try. to understand what happened here. And we. don't have all the answers. There's. there's seems to be tight- lipped about. the investigation. But generally. speaking, if you're talking about this.

kind of case, an a neglect case, an. alleged neglect case, an abuse case at a. home, which is different than any kind. of potential crime scene because you. would imagine there would be evidence of. the players, right? It's like you talk. about domestic violence cases. You'd. imagine a wife or a husband or a. boyfriend or girlfriend, their DNA might. be places. Same thing with the child and. the caretaker. But what kind of evidence. are investigators looking for at a. property like this? Well, if the lead charge is um criminal.

negligence and and that really is what. the standard is for this this neglect of. child charge, the criminal negligence. charge has to show um a a failure to be. aware of a substantial or unjustifiable. risk. That's really the legal language. there. And so, um, investigators would. be looking for, um, a known risk that. was that was known to DNE's father, to. his parents, to his caregivers, um, that. was then disregarded. And in.

disregarding that risk, that's what our. community standards or the Oregon. community standards would would consider. unjustifiable. So, that's really what. they're looking for. They want to see. what circumstances would have created or. presented that risk that was then um. disregarded by the caregivers. >> Can I expand upon that? Is it also. possible that they might be looking of. evidence of other neglect, right? You. know, a stronger case if they could say. we have evidence throughout this home. The child may be, you know, I'm I'm I'm. just I'm not these are I'm just thinking.

about this right now. I'm not saying. these are the allegations. But in a. typical case, what they say, I I have. evidence that even before this episode. happened, there's evidence the child. wasn't fed, the child wasn't bathed, the. child wasn't uh, you know, cleaned, whatever it may be, to build a stronger. case, a pattern, and is that evidence. that would be allowed in a case like. this? >> Uh, well, my my answer to a lot of the. legal questions, as you know, is it. depends. Um but yes, the answer to your.

first question about whether or not that. course of conduct evidence would be. helpful to investigators to building a. case about um exactly that, a course of. conduct to show that there was more than. just one instance of neglect that this. was uh the state of the child's. existence that that he was um constantly. neglected or uncared for. So yes, of. course, they would be looking for that. And would it be admitted or would it be. admissible for a factfinder to hear? That's going to be up to a judge in a.

determination pre-trial to consider what. other evidence might be presented. against the criminal defendant that. would go to show not just that, oh, there were bad things that happened. previously in this child's life or bad. things that may have even been inflicted. on this child by his caregivers, but. that these other circumstances go to. show some element, go to prove some. element of what the defendant is. currently being charged with. Was there. a showing of intent, of plan, of. preparation, of some absence of mistake?

That's what the the rules of evidence do. allow for um and not just for a showing. of propensity. >> What about a parent or caregivers's. reaction? Look, everybody reacts to. things differently, right? But there I. wonder are there red flags that. prosecutors, investigators would be. looking for for when it comes to a. caregiver or parents reaction to their. child disappearing? >> Absolutely. and and that comes under the. jury instructions for what's known as. consciousness of guilt. Um, and so we. we'd want to see how the criminal.

defendant in this case reacted, what he. did or didn't do at the time. A lot of. times in other kinds of cases when. there's plight when someone flees the. jurisdiction or even runs from police at. the time of their apprehension, that. plight is considered consciousness of. guilt. And so we're always considering. the reaction of the accused when facing. the charges. of course, not trampling on. constitutional rights, not looking at. whether or not they made a statement or. waved their absolute right to remain. silent. Um, but yes, in those reactions. that again our community would consider.

reasonable or unreasonable, did they. behave like a guilty person, that's what. the jury instructions allow um the. factfinders to take into consideration. Now, Dne's mom, she met Jackson, spoke. with KPTV just a few days ago in her. first TV interview and basically said. she believes there is more to the story. She swears that Aaron had nothing to do. with their son's death. So, according to. Shemtt, she had apparently walked out of. the home to check on her father who. lived in a trailer in their backyard.

And she told KPTV that Dne came outside. to find her. Quote, Dne goes out of the. back door and comes straight to the. trailer. I hear him. He goes, "Bippity. boop boop." And I was like, "Oh, Bubby, I'm coming." And then he laughs so. oddly, like laughing like somebody's. tickling him. And then it's silence. And. I was like, "Dane, Dane." And she says, "When she came out of the trailer, Dne. was gone." She also claimed to outlet. Katu that Aaron had just gotten home. when Dne disappeared, that he had. nothing to do with him vanishing. So if. that's the case, or at least that's what.

you're hearing here, professor, the big. question a lot of people are asking is. why is Aaron charged? I mean, we don't. have an answer to that question. officially from officials. What stands. out to you? >> What stands out to me, quite frankly, is. is the the the lack of information. that's being provided uh by the reports. from the investigators and and from this. local district attorney's office. And if. the version of the facts that the. investigators had to go on was the. mothers, was the fact that the father.

was not home, the fact that the little. boy had run out of the house, that I. guess my question would be, was there. any other caregiver watching the child. while the mother purportedly went to. check on her father or father-in-law and. while his own father's father wasn't. around. I think there are some. unanswered questions about who in that. very brief span of time um when the. mother didn't have her eyes immediately. on the deedent who was responsible for. him who was watching him who was. supposed to be and then of course who.

didn't and who wasn't. >> Are these kind of cases tough to. prosecute because you also wonder would. would a jury say you know parents are. human beings they might be caught up in. doing something else that they didn't. intend for this to happen. I mean, that. doesn't seem what the charge is. suggesting, but would you say a child. neglect charge could be tough to. prosecute, particularly if that didn't. seem to be the outright first conclusion. before it was brought to a grand jury? >> I I I do think it would be difficult to. prove, especially without some kind of. course of conduct. And I believe the um. medical examiner's report in this case.

showed no history of other injury or. other trauma. So again when it comes to. uh other other physical indisha of abuse. or neglect or harm um there was none. other than the immediate manner of death. in this case which was the drowning. So. um without some other circumstances or. some other explanation about how or why. this child wasn't being watched, wasn't. being supervised and and what gave him. access to this river where he was lab. later found. I think those are the.

really pertinent questions that need to. be answered. >> And I'm curious your thoughts on this as. well because uh Schmidt has pointed out. this report that she apparently made of. a man standing by two vehicles staring. at her and Dne from across the street. This is just before Dne went missing. Now, the sheriff's office pointed out in. its news conference that deputies. identified this gold 90 station wagon. and its owner ruled out any connection. between the car, the driver, and Dne's. disappearance. Schmidt also claimed that. a man had been seen taking photos of.

trail cameras at a nearby Elks Lodge. around 2 weeks before Dne went missing. Though what that could have to do with. Dne's disappearance specifically, it's. not entirely clear. But KPTV reports. that information was never provided to. police. So, this distraught mother also. told KPTV that she questions the way the. investigation was handled. quote, I've. asked so many times throughout this. entire time and they're all pretty much. been like, I'm reaching or I'm crazy or. you're some hysterical mother who lives.

on Celeste reservation, some native kid. He doesn't matter to them. So Daniel. Jackson, who's Dne's uncle, he helped. spearhead the search effort for his. young nephew. This is per KPTV. He told. the outlet that putting Dne in the water. could have been a disposal method for. some nefarious characters who took him. He said, "When you declare day two that. the main priority is the water and think. the child is in the water, if he was. kidnapped and people were on to you, you. think if you were to get out of this, you probably place the body in the. water." Right now, Professor, there's a.

lot to break down here. The the family. talking about this. Um, what are your. thoughts? Well, um it it I would first and. foremost um encourage the um parents, especially the uncharged mother to. perhaps be wary of how much information. she shares with the press or says. without advice of counsel. It sounds. like there could be an argument from the. prosecution that there are multiple and. competing theories happening from a. would-be defense like this was a. terrible accident. Zane wandered into.

the river. He was unsupervised. momentarily, which happens unfortunately. in every parent's life. But then at the. same time, there were these mysterious. and nefarious characters who could have. had something to do with Dne's. disappearance. Those theories seem to be. competing. And so I would again question. which direction the mother, the parents. would have the investigators go in to. really get to the bottom of this story. I think also uh if there was. investigation that was done on the. information that that the mother shared.

or the concerns that the mother um. expressed to the investigators, what the. results of that investigation um showed. uh should be shared with the public as. well to show why those leads perhaps. were were not leads at all or were not. followed up on or why they didn't. produce uh fruitful information for this. investigation. And just to be clear, because of the charge that he's facing, do you think this is a case where they. understand what happened, the case. closed, there's been an indictment, or. do you think they follow up on any of.

this? >> Oh, I I I do think that they follow up. on on a lot, if not all of it. I would. hope they do because remember the the. the phase of the prosecution that goes. to the grand jury or to an indicting. grand jury is not a guilt phase. The. prosecutors do not have a burden at that. point beyond a reasonable doubt. If. anything, it is uh essentially a. probable cause phase to prove that there. is enough evidence to proceed to a. trial. And so in the intervening weeks, months, sometimes even years between a. grand jury indictment and when a case.

will see a factfinder. We'll see either. a judge or a jury for a determination to. guilt or not guilt. there very well. should be can be and should be. investigation ongoing into these claims. into the surrounding evidence the. circumstances uh and everything else. that we still have questions about. >> and to be clear about something Aaron. Paulson is not just getting the support. uh from family or potentially the. support from family um since he was. indicted he's received some support from. the community there were several.

comments on the sheriff's office. Facebook page announcing the indictment. and one person commented this is so. wrong. They have already paid the. ultimate price. This is so wrong. Another wrote, "Feels completely. unnecessary. The family suffered. enough." Even diver Juan Heredia posted. on Facebook that he thinks taking Aaron. away from sheet would be double. punishment for a woman who's already. lost her 2-year-old son. But then you. have a third user who commented, quote, I find it distasteful to speculate about. what happened. There was enough evidence.

to convince a grand jury to charge the. father. He should receive a fair trial. and be sentenced appropriately if found. guilty. And by the way, according to. Oregon sentencing guidelines, a class A. misdemeanor carries a sentence of. imprisonment of 364 days, so just under. one year. Professor, back to you. Obviously, this is just a sampling of. what we're seeing in the community. But. I always wonder when you see that. sampling on social media, and obviously. they don't have all the information, they don't have all the evidence. I do. wonder if it is a sampling of what a. jury could look like or what the.

difficulties could be in a jury. selection process and particularly if. you charge a parent who didn't. intentionally kill their child. Is it. tough to say to a jury this parent has. to be punished despite losing a child? I. wonder if that's a difficulty. I. >> it is it is very difficult. Um, and I I. think your first point was absolutely. spoton that if you're looking at these. social media posts and and the reaction. on social media, this is a microcosm of. what uh a potential jury pool in Oregon.

might think or feel or how they might. react to the facts when presented to. them if they were impanled as a jury, if. they were seated as a factfinder in this. case. So, this is essentially um a very. um uh unscientific but still worthwhile. jewelry focused group, if you will, to. see how the the community might react to. charges like this. So, I I think it's. absolutely valuable information. Um and. it is incredibly difficult to say to a. parent, you have already lost a child.

You have already suffered an and and an. and unspeakable loss and devastation. And now to compound that, the community. is going to point a finger and say that. you did something wrong. And not even. something an act of commission, not even. that you affirmatively did something, but that you neglected to do something. that you had a risk that there was a. risk that you were aware of and you. disregarded that risk. So I think that. that is ultimately again the questions. that need to be answered. What did Aaron. Pollson know or should know? what should.

he have done that he didn't do to. safeguard Dne against the risk of the. ultimate injury and the ultimate thing. that led to his death? And until that. question is answered, um I'm not sure. that the community would have um an. immediate reaction to to point a finger. at what could sound like a really. devastating accident. >> And to be clear, look, you look at that. third commentator. I mean, there's a. good point. I mean, there was enough. evidence to at least charge him. And if.

it's true that he failed in his duty to. DNE, there should be, you know, criminal. liability. There should be. responsibility there. And and it's it's. something interesting. I think I talked. about in a previous cybar recently where. in a case like this, you know, would you. want parents on the jury, right? Parents. might say, well, I can't believe that. they're putting this parent through. this. You know, I I this is devastating. They shouldn't be charged. But on the. other hand, you might have a parent who. say, "Wait a minute, a caregiver, a. parent, they have a responsibility. If. they're going to be looking after a. child, they should be looking after that.

child. The parents may actually be the. worst person for a defense attorney to. have on a jury.". >> Yeah, I I completely agree. So, the the. latter example is something that we. teach on called the theory of defense of. attribution. We humans tend to separate. ourselves from that which is unpleasant, that which is potentially uh harmful to. us or to our loved ones and we. psychologically distance ourselves. ourselves from it and we say, "Well, that wouldn't have happened to me or to. mine or to my loved ones because I would.

have handled things differently." And so. I think that is a risk in a case like. this with parents on the jury. They. would say that child would have never. been out of my sight. That child would. have never had access to the water to. any entryway to the water. Um, so that. wouldn't have happened to me or my. family. And of course, you know, hindsight is 2020 and it's very powerful. place to sit in judgment. >> And I just want to go back to something. This is even before we went on air. We. were talking how there's a lack of. information here. Is that common in a. case like this that we don't have a lot.

of the evidence? We don't have a lot of. the information. We don't know precisely. what led to a charge like this. Is that. because you're dealing uh with a minor. victim? >> Not necessarily. I think every. jurisdiction decides how to handle their. discovery and how to handle the um the. specifics of the investigation and what. to release to the public and what not. I. think in this case, the fact that it. went before a grand jury might have. something to do with it. A lot of. jurisdictions who use grand juries to. return indictments do so under seal. So, it very well could be that the grand.

juries the grand jurors in this case who. returned the indictment heard evidence. that we are not yet privy to and legally. not yet permitted to hear. That very. well could be the case, but it really. depends. If this were a preliminary. hearing that were held in open court and. not held before a grand jury, the. entirety of the the transcript and the. whole court record would be made. available to the to the public. And so, this is just a case where it's not. >> Professor Marian Brcher, thank you so. much for taking the time. Appreciate it. >> Thanks, Jesse. Have a great day. >> And that's all we have for you right now.

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