Shocking 'Accomplice' Theory ROCKS OJ Simpson Case

Did I think I'd be talking about OJ. Simpson's murder trial over 30 years. later? Nope. But I also didn't know. newly unsealed court documents would. reveal a possible accomplice theory in. connection with the killings of Nicole. Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. New York. Times just released this bombshell. report. We're going to go through it, try to make sense of it, and I'm. bringing on Erica Boseman to see if. there really is something here. Welcome. to Sidebar, presented by Law and Crime. I'm Jesse Weber.

There is a massive new bombshell claim. that has completely shaken the narrative. of the OJ Simpson case. And before you. say, "Ah, what are you talking about? This is hogwash. Don't believe it." When. you hear this reporting and I go through. the court documents, you may pause. Why. do I say that? So, in a New York Times. investigation, it is suggested that OJ. Simpson, who died in 2024, may have had. help disposing of evidence in connection. with the 1994 killings of his wife,

Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend. Ronald Goldman, a brutal double. homicide, which Simpson, as we know, was. acquitted of in the trial of the century. back in 1995. Prosecutors argued that. Simpson stabbed his ex and Goldman. outside her home. They argued that. physical evidence proved Simpson was the. killer. Their arguable evidence included. Simpson's blood at the scene, footprints. matching shoes he had, a glove that. apparently matched a pair belonging to. him, hair found on Goldman that was. consistent with Simpson, Simpson's cut.

on his hand, the Bronco chase, evidence. of a toxic relationship with Nicole. Brown Simpson. But in the end, he was. found not guilty. And it was that. verdict, too, that has, you know, raised. a lot of questions, too. But as. described by the New York Times, this. alternative accomplice theory was. suggested by OJ Simpson in his 2007. book, If I Did It: Confessions of the. Killer, which Simpson allegedly told his. ghostriter, "You know, I couldn't have. done this alone." What does that mean? Right? Well, that brings us to what.

happened this week. So, the New York. Times was apparently able to get United. States District Court Judge Kima M. would to sign off on unsealing a letter. that was sent to this judge back on. December 4th, 1996. And to be clear, none of us knew about this until now, as. far as I can tell. And that is why it's. such a big deal. And this letter. concerns the now deceased Joseph Joey. Epileto, a drug runner with apparent mob. connections. In fact, the New York Times. describes how authorities alleged that.

Epilo was moving drugs through different. Hollywood connections. And this letter. was from the government to Judge Wood. It was regarding sentencing. recommendations for Epileto after he. apparently pleaded guilty to escaping. federal prison. He was seemingly locked. up on narcotics charges. And in this. letter, the government argues that the. court should take into consideration. that Epilo quote has provided. substantial assistance in the. investigation and prosecution of other.

persons, primarily significant narcotics. traffickers and members and associates. of Lacosa Nostra. And the government. explains that as part of this guilty. plea, Epilo agreed to cooperate with the. US attorney's office. And this is where. it's important. They think what he. offered was quite significant. Quote, "Ipalt has indeed provided substantial. assistance in several investigations and. prosecutions. Epilo was completely. forthright in our debriefings during.

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surrendered himself. So that's who he. is. So you go to the letter and it reads. and I'm going to read verbatim. Quote, first while engaging in the narcotics. distribution activities in California. for which he was convicted, Ipilo became. close to several individuals at the. center of the Simpson Goldman murder. case. Through his close personal. relationships with Al Cowings, Simpson's. confidant, and others involved in the. cases, including OJ and Nicole Simpson, Epileto have become privy to many facts. relevant to the case, including Simpsons.

alleged domestic violence, the Simpsons. narcotics usage, Simpsons attempted. flight from justice, and his disposal of. the murder weapon. We were contacted by. the prosecutors in the case, to whom. Epileto made himself available. Epilito's information was provided. directly to the Los Angeles authorities. during the murder trial in each of the. categories listed above, which was at. the time important to their case, particularly Simpson's flight and his. remarks to cowings concerning a murder.

weapon. While Epilo ultimately was not. called as a witness, he was arrested and. began to cooperate as that trial drew to. a close. My conversations with the Los. Angeles authorities indicate that. Epileto's information was at the very. least very helpful to their case. What. I mean, what are we talking about here, right? And look at how they describe him. and credit him and the fact that the. feds shared this information with Los. Angeles prosecutors, that says. something. So, you come to find out.

though that by the time the LA. prosecutors got this apparent. information, it was too late. They had. rested their case against Simpson. Closings were about to happen. So. seemingly suggesting their story was. set, their narrative was set. They. couldn't just throw in this new epilo. factor. And the New York Times reports. that one LA law enforcement official who. was involved in Simpson's case recalls. getting a call in the middle of the. trial from a federal official sayingo. had information and was ready to come.

forward, but said that was later kind of. reluctant to do so. Now, to be clear, reading from the letter, we don't know. exactly what Epileto said to the feds or. what he offered or who he implicated. But the substance of that information, think about it. I mean, we know the. murder weapon was never found. The New. York Times notes that Simpson did. allegedly seem to be in a rush that. night, that he rushed to get to a limo. to take him to the airport. In the If I. Did It book, memoir, whatever you want. to call it, Simpson seemed to outline a. possible version of the killings where.

he did get help from someone to get rid. of the weapon and the bloody clothes. So, you wonder, wait, is there something. really here? In terms of credibility, the New York Times reports that Judge. Wood said in a hearing regarding that. letter that it was quote, "One of the. strongest letters I have ever received, possibly the strongest, and ultimately. she handed down the most lenient. sentence she could under the law for. Epilo." And then you couple that with. the New York Times reporting that. Ipito's brother Sam apparently told the.

outlet that he and his brother were in. LA in Los Angeles on the night of the. murders and that he reportedly saw. Epilo, his brother, with his hands. covered in blood after helping out. Simpson. The New York Times does caution. though that there's no forensic evidence. to back any of this up and the brother. has seemingly tried to walk back those. comments. We'll have more on that later, but just think about that. And you also. have to wonder about Simpson himself, right? Writing all this stuff in the. book. Many have suspected he wrote it or.

wrote this version of events to cash in. on the trial, the murder case, did it. all for money. After all, he was ordered. to pay over $30 million to the victim's. families as part of a civil lawsuit. after his acquitt. But but the New York. Times, they went further. They looked. into this. Okay, so let's go back to. Cowings. Apparently, when he was briefly. detained by authorities after the Bronco. chase, you know what they apparently. found? According to a marshall, they. found in his wallet a phone number for a. messaul where Io had reportedly worked. while he was locked up. So, a connection.

there, right? In the Bronco. According. to the Times, they also apparently found. pictures of one of Epileto's girlfriends. and her phone number. Another. connection. Then the Times reports how. the federal prosecutor who wrote that. letter that I mentioned before, David. Kelly, that he reportedly recently said. that he remembered Ipilo talking about a. knife hidden around OJ Simpson's place. and that Epilo learned about this from a. close associate of the football star.

Now, we don't know who that may be, but. to be clear, according to Kelly, he. doesn't believe Epilo was involved in. the actual killings, per se. But is. there a connection here after the fact? New York Times reached out to a number. of people connected to this development. and that included prosecutor Marshia. Clark who if you know this case you know. who she is. She apparently said she. didn't know anything about Epilo saying. quote if anyone had spoken to him and. found him to have relevant and credible. information I surely would have been. informed. The fact that I was never so. informed establishes he had no credible.

or relevant evidence to provide. Now. here's something else that was. interesting about the New York Times. investigation. They say that according. to a private investigator who worked for. OJ Simpson's defense team, Simpson's. lawyers took interest in Epilo that they. mowled over whether he was connected to. the killings and even had another. investigator look into this alternative. suspect theory. So, not some random. outlier connection, maybe potentially. something significant at play here,

maybe. And then there's this, you know, Epilo's brother who I mentioned before, Sam. Well, according to the New York. Times, he claims that his brother Epilo. was at the scene of the killings of. Brown Simpson and Goldman. Yeah. He. claims that his brother left their. apartment that he was that they were. hanging out at in LA around 6:00 p.m. His brother comes back 6 hours later. around midnight carrying a bag with what. he describes as a heavy object inside. appears to have blood on his hands and.

he claims Ipalito gets undressed, stuffs. his own clothes in the bag and then asks. his brother Sam to get rid of it while. he went to go take a shower. And then. Sam claims. called Al Cowings and he allegedly heard. his brother say that he had just been. quote helping OJ Simpson. Sam reportedly. admits he did it helped him toss the bag. in a dumpster along Dei Drive. claims. that his brother didn't explicitly say. what he did that night, but other than. he wanted to go help OJ, but uh my gosh,

right, you're thinking, "What does this. mean?" Now, an attorney for one of. Epilo's friends who reportedly let the. brother stay with her that night denied. this. Denied that Epilo showed back up. with blood on him and that family and. friends of Epilo say this isn't true. And the New York Times notes that the. lead detective in this case doesn't. believe Simpson had help. So, why. wouldn't Sam Epilo come forward with. this beforehand? Well, the Times then. goes into a description about the risks. of being a so-called snitch. They also.

go into allegations about how Sam maybe. wanted compensation for an interview and. how he ended up backtracking his claims, maybe when he wasn't going to get paid. And in terms of credibility, the New. York Times reports that Epileto. apparently told different versions over. time. One friend claiming Epileto told. him Cowings hid the knife. a DA agent. didn't believe it was involved. Well, not outright dismissing that it could be. possible. So, you're getting mixed. versions here. And then this brings us. to Fat Joe. Yeah, the rapper Fat Joe. I.

was shocked. I was like, Fat Joe, what. does he have to do with this? So, according to the New York Times, Fat Joe. said on the Joe and Jada podcast that he. had this friend, quote, "Joe Bentley, possible alias for Epilo, and how Joey. was released from custody in 1998, which, yeah, lines up with the true. release of Epilito before he died in. 2006." And Fat Joe claims that Joey told. him that when Callings and Simpson were. in the Bronco, Joey was at the airport.

with a private jet ready for them to fly. out and escape. And the New York Times. notes that authorities found a travel. bag with a passport and a disguise kit. in that Bronco. Fat Joe even reportedly. said on the podcast that he went to a. birthday party and Simpson and Joey were. there and Joey allegedly hands a machete. to OJ Simpson and said, "You did it.". And then Simpson jokingly chases Joey. around with the weapon. Now, the Times.

notes that a representative for Fat Joe. declined to comment. Then the New York. Times report goes back to something that. was written in Simpson's book where. again he kind of outlines a possible. version of how the killings, how the. murders would have taken place. And he. explains how a friend of his named. Charlie came over to Simpson's home. And. their conversation apparently got. Simpson angry, which prompted them to. jump back into the Bronco and go over to. Brown Simpson's home to quote scare her.

But that encounter apparently ends with. two dead bodies, Brown Simpson and. Goldman, with Charlie saying to Simpson, "OJ, what have you done?" And this. version goes on to claim that Simpson. then gave Charlie bloody clothes and the. murder weapon to get rid of, which he. did. So when you think about that. allegation, when you think about that. narrative, that fictionalized narrative. So it's kind of a stark and revealing. theory when you hear what Epilito is. reportedly accused of doing, right? Do.

you look at it differently now? Was. Simpson telling the truth in the book? Is Charlie Epileo? And as the New York. Times explains, you know what makes this. weird? There was a guy named Charlie. Erlick. And this guy was criminally. charged along OJ Simpson in connection. with a different criminal case, the Las. Vegas robbery of memorabilia that. actually saw Simpson go away to prison. And get this, according to the New York. Times report, Charlie claimed that.

Simpson told him he was going to use his. name in this hypothetical scenario in. the book. And this is interesting. Charlie reportedly said on an audioaped. interview when asked about whether. Simpson had used his name, Charlie. reportedly responds, quote, "Regarding. that, use your imagination. I'll leave. it at that." What does that mean? Now, according to the New York Times, Charlie. recently said this was all made up, that. he was just playing along with the idea. of being this possible accomplice. And. apparently Simpson's ghostriter claims.

he was the one who even suggested that. Charlie be the name of the supposed. accomplice in the book. Oh, and the New. York Times points out, you know who. introduced Charlie and OJ Simpson? Joey Epalito. So, the Los Angeles Police Department. said that the case remains open. They. released a statement saying, quote, "The. department has an obligation to continue. to pursue justice in this matter. At a. point that new evidence is found, detectives will follow those. investigatory leads because after all,

no one was convicted of those murders.". Now, retired Los Angeles Police. Department detective Tom Lang, who was. part of the case, he's now said, quote, "As far as the police perspective goes, cops work on evidence, not supposition. If there is anything to this, we need to. see the evidence and then take it from. there." And this all comes on the heels. of another interesting OJ Simpson. development, too. So, Seinfeld creator, comedian Larry David revealed in his. authorized biography, Emperor of.

Nothing: The Making of Larry David, that. on the day of the killings, he saw. Simpson as he was eating breakfast at. the Riviera Country Club out in Los. Angeles. Yeah. David was with comedy. writer Alan Zebel. And Zebel actually. interacted with Simpson twice that very. day. So much stuff to talk about. So much OJ. news to talk about. So I got a great. guest. Okay, first time on Sidebar. So. happy to have her. I have Erica Boseman, the personality creator of the Bose.

Verse the World brand, the podcast. Sinister. By the way, if you didn't. know, she is known as Twitch's true. crime queen because she was the first. streamer on the platform to really. dominate the true crime industry. She. continues to do so this day. And we got. a big announcement here at Long Crime. We're launching a new show, a brand. together. It is called Critical Mass. Erica, so happy to have you here. Thanks. so much for taking the time. >> Thanks. Thanks for having me on, Jesse. >> Before we get into the OJ of it all, just can you tell us what we can expect.

from critical mass? Because anything. that you touch is people should pay. attention to. >> I mean, sure. I think um whenever you're. looking at anything in the true crime. world, you're going to find a lot of. deviant social behaviors, and that's. what I'm fascinated by. I'm fascinated. by social dynamics, the patterns of. these types of people, because I'm sure. you've seen Jesse, they're kind of the. same over and over and over again. Like, I mean, what's the difference between. Caleb Flynn and Brennan Banfield? Like, really, when you get down to the. nitty-gritty of it, right? Um, so I. think across Critical Mass, we'll be.

talking a lot about these patterns. And. I like to focus on things that you can. see with your own two eyes, you know? um. because it's not just about the. forensics or like the legal aspects of. the case. Like these are human. situations and um that's what I like to. look at. >> Then you got outliers like a Brian. Cobberger, he breaks the pattern. I. can't figure that one out. I was about. that one I talked about the other day. like remember the Las Vegas shooter. Still don't even know what happened. there. >> No idea. So totally agree. Yeah. Or like. Jody Area is still an open loop for me. to an extent. Like I need an ending. I.

find I find that there's a couple of. cases where you know the human brain it. doesn't like an open loop right and when. we don't get the confession or the. finalization which you know we're. actually about to talk about an open. loop right now it it just goes and goes. and goes Elizabeth Holmes also is an. open loop for me so you know I. >> did you see the movie. >> yes. >> I did too we did a whole sidebar on it. >> oh my god I got to watch. >> a little self-promotion but yeah no I. did it it was incredible. >> how did you feel afterwards. >> I'm still thinking about it.

>> open loop I still I can't tell who's. telling the truth, but we'll talk about. that. We We should probably do a whole. other episode on that one. Um. >> OJ Simpson. Okay. I I can't believe I. said at the beginning, I can't believe. we're talking about But. >> this is significant. It's not like it. just came off of like a Reddit stream or. Reddit thread. This was part of court. documents. This idea of Epilo providing, you know, what the prosecutors believed. was valuable information about the OJ. Simpson case. And when you think about. it, in your experience, does it make. sense? Does it make sense that someone.

could have allegedly helped OJ? I mean, I know he was acquitted, but you tell. me. >> I uh, you know, I think OJ did a lot of. things on his own. Like, once again, you. look at those patterns of him. How often. is he really roping anybody into. anything? And another detail when you, you know, look at the original or the. recent accusation is, you know, they. claim it was a heavy bag that somebody. discarded. So, you're telling me that OJ.

possibly involved in this, you know, brought somebody else in and then he. brings in somebody else, his brother? >> Well, the question that I would have is, you know, would he do that? Like, if. you're somebody, it wouldn't be the. first time that somebody maybe after the. fact, desperate, asks for help, tries to. get someone else involved. Why would. someone help him? Like, if you think. about it, is it the OJ factor? Like, is. it somebody who's friends with him, the. celebrity? Why would somebody help him. in that moment as opposed to saying, "Whoa, what's going on here? What are.

you doing? I don't know. Why? You're. covered in blood. You have a heavy bag.". Like, why would someone help him? >> Sure. Sure. Well, I think you're right. It if he did it, uh I think that it. would be the celebrity factor. And I. think even with them rehashing this. additional information, I think it also. has something to do with the celebrity. factor, right? Like I think there's a. little more attention on the case and. the brother that's making the accusation. right now, right? It's it's all the. celebrity I think to me, but that's my.

opinion. I mean, what are you thinking? >> Well, I also want to know credibility, right? So, the thing with OJ and I. mentioned this before, him writing that. book, was it to cash in cash in on the. murder trial? He had a, you know, a big. judgment against him. You think about. the allegation against Sam, the brother. of Epilo. I'll give you the information. if you you know I agree to be. compensated for it. I I don't know. I'm. not part of that. I'm just looking at. the reporting. But money always is an. interesting factor and you wonder about. this and you think, you know, is it. possible that this happened? Is it.

possible that Epilo told the feds? Apparently he provided other we don't. know what the information he gave about. OJ per se, but this idea of providing. information about narcotics traffickers. and and Lacosinostra that proved to be. valuable. And yet he also mentions OJ. He didn't have to mention OJ. Why would. he mention OJ? >> I still just tie it back to that. celebrity factor, the attention factor. You know, I'm of the opinion that no. human being does something for just one. reason. We would love to believe that. it's just one reason that's 100% of it.

Right. But really, people do things for. usually one, two, or three reasons, and. all of those rolled into one create the. action, right? So, like you said, money. I think maybe a little bit of attention. and then maybe there's some other third. factor as well. Um, but I mean the other. thing for me too is like why now? Why. bring it up now? Why rehash it now? Especially when OJ has passed, you know, she's no longer here. Like it's. >> goes closing the loop. I mean, I I I.

will never fault um media organizations. or investigators for keeping a story. alive. I I talked about it the other. day, by the way. I was talking about. Amelia Heheart and like people are still. interested in what happened to her and. they I know there was like this talk. about, oh, we found something on. satellite imagery that would suggest. maybe it's parts of her airplane. It. turned out to be a collection of trees, but people still care. People are still. invested in it. There's no closure, right, for the for the killings of uh. Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. And if anybody else had information or. knowledge or was a part of it, people, I.

think, are interested in that. And and. look, at the same time, this has to. retraumatize the victim's family. members. >> Absolutely, 100%. I believe they. actually even made a request or one of. the attorneys has made a request like, "Hey, let's let's drop this. Like, let's. just let it go." But I think the reality. is is that people are still going to. talk about it because this is big news. right now, right? Um but the other thing. that's interesting, too, is he got a. judgment in the civil trial. Yeah. Like, sure, it didn't happen in the criminal.

trial, but that was the big one. You. know the if the glove doesn't fit, you. must acquit, right? But I mean, $33. million in the civil trial, that's got. to ring bells to some people. I. >> Oh, whether he was convicted or not, people already have their opinions about. whether or not OJ did it. Like, it. doesn't it doesn't change. But look, where's the murder weapon? That's the. part that's interesting about this. If. you think about it, like where's the. murder weapon? Well, this is an. explanation. Someone got rid of it. >> Sure. Sure. Sure. Uh, but you know, one. detail that I kind of just harp on.

myself is he claims that it was a heavy. bag. >> Yeah. >> You know, I'm thinking, sure, it could. be a knife with a heavy handle or. something, but just that detail, it just. strikes me as a little bit odd. It. doesn't strike you as odd. >> I mean, yeah. No, it is. I think the. whole thing of it is I think him showing. up in blood is odd. But, you know, in a. way, if you're trying to create a. narrative that I was there during the. killings, OJ showing up in blood, that's. the perfect way to describe it. But if. you're thinking, wait a minute, did that. really happen. If OJ really did do it,

makes sense. He would be covered in. blood. That was a brutal, brutal stab. Those were two brutal stabbings. >> Absolutely. But and you know what else. is kind of a bit open for me too is yeah. it was brutal and it was two people and. it it is hard to believe that OJ. entirely did that on his own. It is a. bit hard. I mean of course he's a big. guy but it is it is peculiar or at the. very least did somebody help dispose of. the weapon. >> because because here's the way to look.

at it. There's nothing I've seen that. someone helped him actually allegedly. right because he was you know he was. acquitted with the actual killings. It. always was the narrative that he did. that. But the idea of hem having help. afterwards, >> look, he's not a career criminal. Yeah, he got convicted later on with the Las. Vegas robbery. But. >> somebody in that position, you know, you. go to a somebody who has these uh Mr. Epilo, who we know was convicted of. different crimes, career allegedly a. career criminal or, you know, you go to.

somebody like that, they would know how. to get rid of certain material for you. >> Absolutely. And he had been doing it for. a while. He had some mafia ties. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. And I'm sorry, Jesse. Walk me. through one more time like a Toz like. what is exactly he saying happened that. night. So his brother comes in, walks. through. >> Well, we don't know because in that. letter doesn't really we don't know. exactly what information he gave. But. then you couple that with what Sam his. brother allegedly said about him showing. back up. You know the And the question.

is is you know you're piecing together. different narratives. I wish in that. letter, which as I mentioned before, the. judge who received that letter said this. is like the one of the most significant. letters that she's received. I mean, these comments from federal prosecutors. talking about um you know, how much. value there is to what Epilito gave that. kind of information. And in the end, she. gave him a lenient sentence. I think. that's significant. But just in that. letter, we don't know what the. information was. It was something about. a murder weapon. Clearly, they thought. it was enough to give it over to LA. prosecutors. But Marsha Clark, the lead.

prosecutor, says, "I don't know anything. about this. >> She said she'd never heard of it. Just. throw it out. Just shut it down. entirely.". >> I uh Do you believe that? >> I don't know. I don't know. I mean, look, her job, any prosecutor's job is. not to just get the conviction. >> It's to seek justice. And if she had. information about this case, I think it. would I think there's an argument that. it would be a prosecutor's duty to. present that information to the court. and present that information to the. jury. at least the court say, "Judge, before we go to our closing, we just got.

this information. What do we do with. this?" Um, but it would have changed the. narrative of the case. >> Totally. It is possible that she was. very, very zeroed in on OJ himself, which makes a lot of sense and it would. have diverted some attention. But I. think what's interesting about it is it. doesn't divert it entirely away from. him. It just explains that maybe he had. a little bit of help and it fills in. some blanks because I do think it is. true that somebody like him would have. been better at disposing of the weapon.

than OJ. OJ was cocky. He was he was a. bit too cocky. You know, I always think. about that one detail during the famous. OJ car chase where the um sorry, the. SWAT interrogator. He actually. mentioned, and I remember this was part. of the show, but it actually happened as. well, that he had gone into O.J.'s house. and he saw all of the sports memorabilia. with his name and then all of the photos. of him framed large on the wall. And he. realizes, okay, this guy's full of. himself. If we want to talk him off the. ledge, then we need to appeal to his.

ego. and they told him, they said, "Hey, OJ, everybody loves you. Come on, don't. do this. They want to see you win." And. it worked and he got out of the car. And. so, I mean, that's a big piece of. information about OJ. It's all about. him. It's all about his ego. Um, >> you know, it's a look, I don't know if. if LA prosecutors got that information. or not. Um, but yeah, I hear you. And I. think it's also significant. Did you see. the Larry David news? >> No. >> Oh my gosh. I talked about this before, but like Larry David came out, has this.

book that came out, said he saw OJ the. day of the murders, saw him at the. Riviera Country Club. Guy was like. talking to his friend like they were he. was they were having breakfast and it's. like it's crazy to think about that. switch, right? It's crazy to think about. um seeing somebody day of, morning of, and then what happens later that night. or allegedly happened later that night. And I think that's a pretty chilling. detail that came out. Look, OJ, this was. the trial of the century. People aren't. going to stop talking about it for for.

good reason. I think it still haunts. people to this day. >> Well, sure. I mean, it's um it's it's a. really odd detail for us that are normal. people doing normal things. We look at. the things that OJ did and the way he. acted the day of and we're like, "Oh, that's strange." We try to make sense of. it, right? But think about it for a. second. And listen, Jesse, I love to do. a little bit of personality profiles, right? Um I I like the personality. pieces that kind of put somebody. together.

>> I think that OJ has a little bit of a. personality type where he likes to. flaunt the things that he did and to see. if he can get away with it almost like a. little boy. You even see that in the. title of the book. And you know that. there are men like this that are kind of. like prove it, you know, prove it to me. Prove it that I did this, right? And so. there is a bit of a thrill and there is. a bit of a high in acting normal on the. day that something so insane has. happened. I mean. >> about to happen but yeah. >> exactly it it's it was.

>> unless they I mean there's always those. things like did he snap or something. like that assuming that he did it. >> but that's us trying to make sense of. something like that because in order for. you to do something like that you would. have to snap. It is us in a way like. projecting to try to figure out how is. this possible? But some people are just. simply wired incorrectly. And I think. you can look at OJ's entire life and. it's pretty obvious he was wired. incorrectly. >> Let me ask you this before we wrap. things up. I always find it interesting. If OJ Simpson's trial happened today in.

social media, Twitch, any kind of the. platforms that we How would it be. different? >> Do you want the honest answer? >> I do want the honest answer. >> Do you want the real honest? >> And when I say OJ, I'm I'm I'm talking. like, you know, if OJ was I don't know. how old he would be if he was alive. today. I'm not talking about that. I'm. talking like if OJ Simpson was OJ. Simpson today like or an OJ Simpson. related like somebody that celebrity. happened today or if we go back to 1985. 1984 if there was Twitch if there was. Instagram like how would it be.

different? >> I'll tell you but the answer is not fun. Jesse. >> let me hear. >> Okay. You would have a large portion of. women that stood up for Nicole Brown. Simpson. I mean the amount of domestic. abuse in his case was overwhelming. I. mean, when you look at all the evidence. from the blood evidence to their. relationship, it should have been feels. a little more open and shut, right? But. you you would have a large demographic. of women standing up for Nicole. But. then here's the dark part, Jesse. Are. you ready for the dark part?

>> I think I know where you're going. But. yeah, >> you would have a large group of boys. that say, "Prove it.". >> They would enjoy helping someone that. has that same personality type of prove. that I did it. They're going to be like, "Yeah, prove that he did it." And I. think that you would have a a big a big. demographic of young men that almost. think it's interesting to root for him. in a way that. I don't know, it's a bit dark. >> Well, I also think that you go back to.

the time in the 90s, so assuming for a. moment in the 90s at that point in time. after Rodney King, that if social media. was still there, I think that would be. part of the commentary, too. Well, that. would be a huge part of it. >> People people would say like, you know, they would say, "What is justice in this. case?" And I think what you because it. was only really on TV. It was like was. it Court TV back in the day, right? And. I think with the advent of social media, what you were hearing in the. conversations, the water cooler talk, people talked about the trial, it would. just be amplified to a different degree. >> Absolutely. And I I think you've.

probably seen this a lot um with several. cases over the past few years and. particularly in the blast uh the past. few months. I find that when people find. a trial that they relate to in some. capacity, their lens of their own life. and the things that they have. experienced or the tools that they have. really um take front and center stage. and sometimes I don't like to debate. certain cases with people because in. reality I'm debating their lens of life. of what has happened to them. I'm not. talking about the trial or case at that.

point. I'm talking about what happens to. them and that's how it feels. And I. think that that's something new we're. encountering with court cases. I mean, sure, we saw it with Casey Anthony back. in the day because a lot of moms said, "I would never. What is happening, you. know, but I think we see that more than. ever." And then also, as people are able. to comment on trials and whatnot, they. find other things they resonate with. And so, you know, kind of back to what I. was mentioning at the beginning of this, you know, true crime or trials, these. are about humans. They're about dynamics.

and social dynamics. And a lot of times. we can see pockets of ourselves in. different cases, >> but I do think um social media can. really take us away from the case a few. times. Um and yeah, that's that's my two. cents. >> That's the importance of wadier. That's. the important of jury selection. Asking. people's opinions about it. Can they. separate their opinions, their thoughts. from what they heard about the case and. look at the facts and the evidence. objectively? Easier said than done, but. sure, you just you just nailed it right. on the head and this is what we can. expect from Erica Boseman. Uh, thank you.

so much for coming on, for making your. sidebar debut. I'm so happy you're part. of the team and uh we'll get to do this. again. >> Thank you, Jesse. >> You got it. >> That's all we have for you right now. here on Sidebar, everybody. Thank you so. much for joining us. I'm Jesse Weber. I'll speak to you next time.