Secret D4vd Details Exposed in Teen Dismemberment Case

You know how accused child murderer. David has been under investigation. [music] for months by authorities? Well, we just learned some key details about. the secret grand [music] jury. proceedings that we're hearing evidence. in this case. And the defense is about. to get a hold of some very important. information. I am [music] going to. explain what all of this means for the. man accused of brutally killing a. [music] 14-year-old girl. Welcome to. Sidebar, presented by Law and Crime. I'm. Jesse Weber.

Okay, we have an update in our David. coverage that we need to talk about. We. just got a big behindthescenes sneak. [music] peek at what the prosecutors in. this case. The Los Angeles DA's office. has been up to in this case over the. past year. And I think it's pretty. significant. Now, I'm curious what. exactly this is going to mean for David, for his case if the defense gets a hold. of this information. I know I'm being. very vague right now, but there's a. reason for it. I want to get into it. Let me explain. Let me put it into. context. So, David, of course, is the. romantic homicide singer currently. charged with first-degree murder,

continuous sexual abuse of a child under. 14, and unlawful mutilation of human. remains, all in connection with the. death of 14-year-old Celeste Rivas. Hernandez. Prosecutors alleged that he. was in a sexual relationship with her, that back on April 23rd, 2025, he. allegedly lured her to his rental home. in LA, stabbed her to death, allegedly. watched her bleed out, and then. reportedly took horrifying measures to. conceal this alleged crime. All in an. effort to keep her quiet about their. relationship, to prevent her from coming. forward and ruining his lucrative.

career. The special circumstances. allegations in this case that carry. heftier penalties, potentially the death. penalty, murder of a witness, murder for. financial gain, lying and weight. Prosecutors alleged that he used a. deadly and dangerous weapon, a sharp. instrument. And prosecutors alleged that. he purchased all these things, a blue. inflatable pool, chainsaws, a body bag, heavy duty laundry bags, and that he. dismembered her. He dismembered her. body. That he made suspicious trips to. the Santa Barbara County area. That he. lied to friends and associates about the.

alleged smell of decomposition at his. place. And we know that September 8th, 2025, that was the day after what would. have been Celeste's 15th birthday, where. her dismembered, decomposed body is. found reportedly in the front trunk of a. Tesla allegedly registered to David at. an LA towyard. And at the towyard, detectives apparently open the Tesla's. front storage compartment, find this. black cadaavver bag. It's covered in. insects, and inside the bag, this is. where they discover a severely.

decomposed head and torso. And then this. plastic garbage bag, apparently beneath. the black cadaavver bag, is what. contained the dismembered arms and legs. Horrifying. I'll also add that. authorities say that Celeste ring and. pinky fingers on her left hand had. reportedly been amputated and neither. was found in the Tesla. I say all this. now to get to the development, the. update. We know there is a preliminary. hearing set for July 21st in this case. This is the opportunity for the.

prosecution to present what they hope is. enough evidence for this case to move. forward toward trial. It's a low. standard. It's a probable cause. standard. Kind of see the same thing. playing out in the Tyler Robinson. Charlie Kirk case, right? Is there. sufficient evidence? Is there probable. cause to support the charges for this. case to move forward? Now, one of the. other reasons this is a big deal is that. the prosecutors in LA didn't have to do. this. They could have gone the route of. a grand jury instead of a preliminary.

hearing. In other words, they could have. had a grand jury indict or formally. charge David of the crimes that he's now. facing. And remember, a grand jury. proceeding is a secret proceeding, usually no input from the defense. Preliminary hearing is different, right? It's public. The defense can present. witnesses. They can cross-examine the. prosecution's witnesses. They can make. arguments. The defense is getting an. opportunity to see the prosecution. strategy here. And it's still a question. of why prosecutors didn't get a grand. jury indictment in this case. Doesn't.

mean that there wasn't a grand jury. No, there were grand juries. In fact, there. were reportedly multiple grand juries. hearing evidence in this case. And. perhaps they were investigative grand. juries, right? Not in panel per se to. get an indictment, but to present. evidence, to subpoena witnesses, to get. documents, to lock in testimony from. witnesses and help the prosecutors lay. out their case. Not necessarily to. indict, not necessarily to formally. charge. Strategy there. Well, guess. what? I go to my update. We just found. out that there was grand jury testimony.

on seven different occasions. According. to TMZ, a judge has agreed to unseal. transcripts of grand jury testimony. Now, we're going to talk about what this. can mean a little later, but we have the. dates, what they're looking at now. November 17th to the 21st, 2025. December 4th to the 5th, 2025, December. 8th to the 10th, 2025. February 4th to. the 6th, 2026, February 9th to the 11th, 2026. February 20th, 2026, and February.

23rd, 2026. So, this is really the first. time that we got a sense of how many. times at least grand juries met, for how. long, on which days. Now, I want to put. those dates into the timeline here. because you look at those dates and I'm. trying to put two and two together, right? So, we know that September 8th is. when Celeste's body was reportedly found. in the Tesla. Okay? But now you're. looking at those November grand jury. dates. November 2025, that was when it. was reported that David was no longer.

cooperating with the investigation. We. know November 21st, 2025 is when the. court orders that the LAPD medical. examiner's report and information on. Celeste's death be sealed, that a. security hold is placed to prevent any. information from reaching the media. Interesting. We're going to talk about. that. Look, before we jump back into. this, running a business is tough. enough. Why make it harder doing things. manually or relying on dozens of apps. that don't really talk to each other, right? Well, that's where our sponsor, ODU, comes in. ODU is an all-in-one.

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way. But more specifically, December. 9th, 2025. That is when Celeste medical examination. was reportedly completed. But it. wouldn't be publicly released until. after David's arrest. But that date's. key. By the way, just going to that. report, you read verbatim from the. summary portion. It says in part, quote, "Autopsy examination was limited by. extensive post-mortem changes, there are. two penetrating wounds of the torso with. smooth edges that may represent sharp. force injuries. The wound on the upper. abdomen penetrates the liver and the.

wound on the left chest penetrates one. of the left intercostal spaces with. disruption of the adjacent ribs cortical. surfaces. The left lung appears intact. The bilateral upper and lower. extremities show full thickness. dismemberment. Multiple other skin and. soft tissue defects are present without. apparent associated internal injuries. The ideology of these defects is not. clearly apparent due to severe. post-mortem changes. Post-mortem. toxicology performed on liver tissue. shows the presence of a low level of. ethanol which may be due to postmortm.

changes or ingestion and does not appear. to be contributo to the cause of death. Given the history and circumstances as. currently known by me, in the setting of. the findings, by examination, ancillary. studies, and in the absence of other. definitive causes of death, the cause of. death is multiple penetrating injuries. The manner of death is classified as. homicide. Let's talk about the February. dates. Okay, so January 22nd, 2026, we. know David's purported friend, Neil. Langston, was arrested in Montana, allegedly at his mom's house, reportedly. for failing to appear as a witness. It.

was reported that the local PD assisted. the LAPD in this February 4th, 2026. That's one of the key dates, right? TMZ. reports that Langston appears in a Los. Angeles courtroom reportedly to testify. before a grand jury, but only for 30 to. 40 minutes. Raised a lot of questions. that if that's true, what did he testify. to? Was he granted immunity? Did he. plead the fifth against. self-inccrimination? We know February. 2026 also was a key month because that's. when David's father, mother, brother had.

challenged subpoenas requiring them to. travel to LA and testify. But a Texas. court denied their petition. And notably. at a court hearing, Bennett Dodson, assistant DA for Waller County, told the. court, "Don't think it's a secret to. anyone at this point that Mr. David. Burke is a musician who is quite famous. And this matter concerns a car that was. registered to him at this at these. witnesses address here in Houston that. had a dismembered decomposing body in. it. I would say if a car with a. dismembered decomposing body is. registered to your home address, that is. something you should expect to be.

questioned by the authorities about. And. that's what this is, Judge. And we learn. from these filings that there is in fact. a murder investigation into Celeste's. death and that David is the target. So. now we have a better sense of the. significance of these grand jury dates. The reason I even found out about this. before we even talked about what TMZ was. reporting, Steve Fiser, the private. investigator hired by the owner of the. Hollywood Hills property where David was. reportedly staying near where the Tesla.

was found. He'd been looking into this. case for months. I saw his post on X. This is what alerted me to it. He posted. on X. quote, "A motion filed in the. David case reveals that the. investigative grand jury met on 17. separate days. We are now only 10 days. away from the preliminary hearing, and I. look forward to hearing the witness. testimony." We're also 10 days away from. David understanding he will never. experience freedom again for as long as. he lives. At the status conference, the. prosecutor said the preliminary hearing. is expected to last no more than 3 days.

That means the prosecution will likely. call only the witnesses and present only. the evidence needed to establish. probable cause, perhaps with a little. extra to show David Burke the strength. of the case against him. I am. particularly interested in whether. anyone from David's management team or. Neo will testify. I have no information. indicating whether they will be called. preliminary hearing or held for a. possible trial. My personal opinion is. that this case will not ultimately go to. trial. I believe he will accept a plea. shortly before the scheduled trial date, preventing many of the most gruesome. details from ever being disclosed.

publicly. Hash Celeste Rivas Hernandez. Okay, so I have a lot of questions with. this and luckily I'm not just going to. be talking to myself in the ether for. the next 30 minutes. No, I want to bring. on John Day, criminal defense attorney. to talk about this. John, so good to see. you. Thanks so much for taking the time. >> Thanks for having me. Um, first of all, are you surprised by. how many times the grand jury met? I. mean, is it common for them or several. grand juries to meet for that many times. over the course of several months? And.

I, you know, I'm still not 100% if it. was one grand jury or several grand. juries, but when you see that amount of. dates and that amount of times, is that. surprising? So, not surprising if you. accept the idea that this is an. investigative grand jury, that they are. calling in witnesses, that the. prosecution wants to lock in their. testimony. Maybe these are reluctant. witnesses, maybe they've got to go. outside the state to get them, but. they're building the case uh for the. prosecution and they're doing it sort of. step by step. You know, they're not. taking it right to a preliminary hearing.

that's coming later. and they could have. indicted with one grand jury, but what. they're doing is using the grand jury as. an investigative tool. So, in that. context, it's not surprising to have. multiple sessions, multiple meetings. You probably got multiple witnesses. coming in dealing with the forensics, the medical examiner, all that kind of. stuff. So, not surprising in the context. of building the investigative case. To be clear, you, me, the public, the. media, we will never see those grand.

jury transcripts, right? Or. >> Yeah, we won't see them unless for some. reason something is attached to a. pleading that's filed in the court or, >> you know, sections come up. But what the. uh prosecution has is, you know, a prior. statement under oath by these witnesses. Of course, that cuts both ways for the. defense, too, because you've got. potential impeachment material. But the. prosecutors have decided they've got to. use the grand jury to do their. investigative work for them. Lock in. these statements, lock in these. witnesses. >> Why is this beneficial to the defense.

now that the defense is going to get. these grand jury transcripts from all of. these days? And again, I say at least. I. don't know if there was other days of. grand jury testimony. We'll talk about. the specific dates. I mentioned it. before, but now that they're going to. potentially get the transcripts from. these specific dates, why does the. defense. >> two bites of the apple are going to do. statements under oath in a grand jury by. witnesses for the prosecution and the. defense is going to attract them? If. they testify, if these witnesses testify. differently at a preliminary hearing, at.

a trial, the defense has prior. statements that they can use to. challenge them, to impeach them. So for. the defense, it's certainly helpful. because if the witnesses deviate even. slightly from what they've said, defense. is going to pounce on it. So while there. is a benefit to the prosecution, the. defense is going to get all the witness. transcripts, the defense is going to get. to pour over them. And by the way, the. defense is also getting to see the. prosecution strategy, their theories. early on. So there is a benefit for the. defense rather than going, say, right. into a prelim or just going right to the.

grand jury. the defense is watching the. prosecutors build their case and they're. going to be able to use those building. blocks if if and when any of the. witnesses uh differ or stray from the. line. >> You said if and when meaning there's. probably going to be more people that. testified in a grand jury than are going. to testify at the preliminary hearing. Right. I mean, do you imagine I. mentioned what Steve Fischer said. before, but do you imagine that the. prosecution is going to be rather. limited in who they present in their. preliminary hearing and let's say there.

was, I don't know, 15 witnesses that. testified in grand jury. You might have. five that testified at a preliminary. So, like in a way, yeah, the defense is. getting ready, maybe they're getting. ready to challenge these witnesses at a. preliminary hearing, but there might not. be everybody testifying at this prelude. >> Yeah. No, that's exactly right because. the the prosecution doesn't have to put. on its whole case. This is the probable. cause standard. It's low. They've just. got to get over that that little bar of. probable cause. You don't want to put on. all your witnesses, but you've got to do. just enough so that the judge who's. presiding, sitting on the bench can say,

"Okay, you've established probable. cause." And it also telegraphs a lot, not only to the defense, but also to the. public. Remember, the prosecutors have. to answer to uh the public, which is. looking for answers in this case. And. so, prosecutors want to show, look, this. is what we've done. This is what we've. got. They don't have to put on. everybody, but they just have to put on. enough in a barebones case that a judge. will find probable cause. >> Is there a chance defense looks at these. grand jury transcripts and makes an. argument that I've seen happen in other. cases before and says, "You know what?

You misrepresented facts to the grand. jury prosecutors. You know what? You. left out exculpatory information, exculpatory evidence, evidence tending. to negate the defendant's guilt. And. because of that, because of your. shenanigans in the grand jury, these. charges should be thrown out. Although, no. Right. Because there wasn't a grand. jury indictment. So, I don't know. You. tell me. Is there anything they could. use that to try to get this whole case. thrown out? >> Well, no. You're right. There wasn't an.

indictment. There hasn't been a grand. jury indictment. Normally, if there was. some prosecutorial misconduct or somehow. the testimony was tainted, you'd use. that to try to challenge the grand jury. indictment. No such indictment here. But. they do get these uh statements under. oath, which theoretically could be a. gold mine for impeachment, for. cross-examination down the road. So, um. not a bad thing if you're the defense on. this on this case, but you know, the. prosecution wants to lock in witnesses, especially if they are uh you if they're.

squirly, if there's some question about. their testimony, they want to lock them. in. They want to know what the stories. are ahead of time. But it's not going to. get thrown out on a challenge to the. indictment because, as you say, there's. not an indictment yet. Just to be clear. also, like is there a possibility they. could get information that they asked. the grand jury to return the indictment. and the grand jury said no? I mean, would that come up in any of this this. material that they're getting from the. grand jury? >> Yeah. I mean, that does happen where. grand juries declined to indict. They. they declined to issue a true bill. It's.

a blow to the prosecutors because, you. know, the expression is a prosecutor uh. can get a grand jury to indict a ham. sandwich. and we've all sort of. understood that if you watch the. criminal uh the world of criminal law, but in this particular case, they're not. going to let that happen. If they're if. for some reason they present uh they try. to get an indictment and the the jury. kicks it back, I just I just don't see. that happening. This is really the. investigative grand jury, even if. they've had to bring in two or three. different panels because, you know, the. timing of when these sessions expire, when the juror's time is up, but at the.

end of the day, they're trying to build. the case. There is a benefit to the. defense, but the prosecution now knows. they're going into this prelim. Remember, the prelim is a mini trial. A. judge is presiding. There's. cross-examination of the state's. witnesses of the prosecution's witnesses. by the defense. So, uh, you know, a. lot's going to come out. And, you know, and especially in a high-profile trial, a prelim like this certainly benefits. the the DA's office, and I think they. would say it benefits the public because. you get to see transparently what's. going on in the case. There's no secret. indictment. So, I want to get a little.

more specific about these dates, and I. talked about it before, but I want your. uh your opinion, your expertise on it. First things first, though, you know, I. talk about the November date for the. grand jury. It is possible, right? It is. possible there was a grand jury or grand. jury testimony or grand jury proceeding. before those specific November dates, right? Just because they're asking for. the transcript from these specific. dates. I mean, theoretically, it could. be possible there was something that. happened before that, maybe in October, maybe even. I mean, is it possible?

>> Oh, yeah. It's possible. I mean, and we. will eventually one way or the other, I. think, get, you know, find out the the. actual timeline, the actual chronology. But remember what's happening if you're. the prosecutor, you were locking in all. sorts of testimony, the investigative. stuff, the forensic stuff. Certainly. interesting that the timing with the. medical examiner report coming, uh, the. fact that you. >> Let's talk about that. So, November is. interesting, right? I mentioned this. before. Interesting time frame. again. That's when we believe David reportedly. was no longer cooperating and there is a. security hold on the Emmy's office. All.

that's happening and you got the. November grand jury dates. Where does. your mind go? >> Right. Well, you want Okay. The lack of. cooperation that's, you know, not to be. it's not unexpected that his counselor. like shut up. Uh but also the fact that. you've got forensic stuff coming in that. certainly takes some time. So you've got. reports from the MA, you've got other. investigative forensic physical evidence. reports. who knows what's going on with. witnesses that they're having to bring. in elsewhere who might not be. cooperating. But also the lockdown on.

the information, what does that tell us? They don't want anyone to know the facts. that only the killer would have known. So, they've got to lock that down. They. want to make sure that there's nothing. publicly released that a potential. defense attorney would say, "Okay, this. is something that um only the killer. knows, but we've got to make sure that. we can defend against it." prosecutors. want to make sure that nothing gets out. forensically that uh somehow leaks into. the in the air and that a potential. defense team gets hold of. >> And by the way, so December, right, those December dates that we talked. about at the grand jury, I mentioned.

this before, the medical exam is. finished, right? And I wonder now, how. was that potentially presented to the. grand jury? Did the ME testify? I mean, is that something we should be thinking. about? Yeah, and it looks like they were. kind of coincidentally happening. It. looks like they haven't probably hadn't. even finished everything until, you. know, maybe early December, but they're. getting ready to present it. Um, but. yeah, they're going to have the key. medical examiner personnel testifying, you know, and again, that's one thing to.

anticipate at the preliminary hearing is. what that medical examiner testimony is. going to look like because that's going. to be key to the future of this case. But this is what's been building up into. the grand jury presentation. and they. probably were getting contemporaneously. getting that information together. And. so that lands in December and now, you. know, here in July, we're going to have. the result, the public airing of what. the medical examiner's investigation. shows, it's going to be key. >> February, I think, is the most. interesting month if you ask me because,

as I said, Neil Langston gets arrested. He's purportedly brought back to LA. seemingly at the courthouse, right? They. believe he testified at the grand jury. for about 30 to 40 minutes. At the same. time, we know that uh David's family is. reportedly being subpoenaed to come. testify. I think February is probably. the most telling of all months. Am I. wrong on that? I mean, what do you. think? It it seems it seems likely this. Leo testified, right? It it seems.

likely, I would have to imagine, that uh. uh uh his family testified, too. I mean, isn't that what was going on? >> Yeah. And that is why February is. certainly key. And it's interesting. because of the the you know bringing the. guy back from Montana. Couple one of the. I think one of three things could have. happened. One he takes the fifth right. he invokes his fifth amendment right not. to incriminate himself. Two he lays some. kind of foundational testimony but for. whatever reason they don't go beyond 30. or 40 minutes. And then three, the third. possibility I think is that there's some. kind of immunity deal that gets launched.

right about then and for whatever reason. his testimony is limited, but the. prosecutors have worked some kind of a. deal with him and his lawyers to get. testimony and that he gets uh basically. gets to walk on any potential accessory. charges or after the fact charges or. anything like that. So I think it's one. of those three things. Who knows? 30 to. 40 minutes is not a lot of time. Um, not. a lot of information to get out, but. it's very likely it's one of those could. have been taken to the fifth amendment. Uh, invoking his fifth amendment right. >> To be clear, right, investigators,

prosecutors, they haven't indicated that. anyone other than David is responsible. for these alleged crimes. It does make. you wonder, did Neil Langston see. something, hear something, know about. something? Is that what's going on? I. mean, I really don't know. And I also. have to say about the family. My my two. cents on the family is I wonder if. they're being called to make that. connection between the Tesla, right, where Celeste body was reportedly found. and linking it to it being registered to. David out in Texas, right? Again, I.

don't know, but unless they allegedly. know something about Celeste, I don't. know, maybe about their relationship. too, their purported relationship, because that's a key factor in this. case, too. What do you think the. family's role is in this? You know, I. think it's it's foundational stuff. It's. I think you're right. It's it's um you. know, what do they know about the. relationship? What are the. interconnections there? Because. remember, the defense seems to be. focusing now entirely on causation. I. mean, this is going to be uh you know, the prosecution has to prove he did it. It's not just some after the fact.

disposing of a, you know, a body, the. inappropriate disposing of a body, something like that. Everything seems to. be pointing to causation. So, the family. is called to testify to try to fill in. some of the gaps with the relationship. Um, any kind of information that they. that they got ahead of time before the. murder, after the murder. Um, but you. know, when all these arrows point to the. defense saying, look, you got to prove. causation and you still haven't done it. yet, right? It's a horrifying uh set of. facts coming out of the medical. examiner. Uh but the family, any other.

witness like that is establishing uh or. filling the holes, filling the gaps that. the prosecution has to try to build. these blocks. >> Yeah. I think I personally believe the. defense because they've said this too, right? Like but I think they're really. going to challenge cause of death. I. think they're really going to challenge. the circumstances of what happened uh at. that property um time frame. That's. where I think they may go, but we'll. see. Um, John, before I let you go, before I let you go, I'd be remiss if I. just didn't ask your opinion on this. other big update in this case. I don't.

think I've spoken to an attorney about. it, but I think it's interesting. So, we. reported it last week, uh, NBC News. reported that more than a dozen. employees of the Los Angeles County. Medical Examiner's Office are under. investigation. Under investigation for. allegedly accessing law enforcement. investigation files without proper. authorization. And there is a belief. that this is specifically about Celeste, about her death. And we know that there. was a unfortunate aspect about this. where there was the premature release of.

details about her death before the. autopsy report was even published. And. NBC had reported that it may have been. the Celeste case that prompted this. probe by the human resources department. You tell me your thoughts on this and. how it could potentially affect the. David case. >> Right. It's a it's a PR problem for the. prosecution. It's an HR problem for the. medical examiner. It's not an. evidentiary problem. I mean, it's it's. not going to have an effect. Uh, of. course, the defense may want to use this.

to argue change of venue. Big profile. cases in LA do not get changed on venue. challenges. Um, yeah, they've got to. deal with it. It's it's unfortunate for. the for the medical examiner. It's. unfortunate for the prosecution, but it. doesn't have any direct effect on the. evidence. I don't. >> Let me challenge you. Couldn't they say? I mean, the defense, I don't know if. they would say this, but like, wow, what. a sloppy office you're running over. there. My gosh, if they're releasing. premature details, how how can we be. 100% sure you guys know what you're. talking about with respect to the.

autopsy? >> Oh, I do it. Yeah, that's the card I. would play. But I think at the end of. the day, does it actually affect the. chain of custody? Does actually affect. the findings? If they want to raise. questions about it, sure. I mean, that's. what you got to try if you're the. defense team. But in the big picture, I. think it's more of a it's a PR problem. that the prosecution has to manage. At. the end of the day, is uh is it going to. have a direct effect? Of course, it it's. certainly a possibility. I just think. it's unlikely. >> John, have I mentioned how much I enjoy. having you on here on sidebar? If I.

haven't, I'm saying it to you again. I. really really appreciate your expertise. on this because it is a little bit of a. complicated situation we're dealing here. and I wanted to put it into perspective. Um because, you know, people just look. at say, oh, grand jury dates, what. there's really important things going on. here. and thank you so much for. illuminating it and uh teaching our. audience. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. It's always good to see you. >> And that's all we have for you right now. here on Sidebar. Everybody, thank you so. much for joining us. And as always, please subscribe on YouTube, Apple. Podcast, Spotify, wherever [music] you. should get your podcast. You can also. check us out on NBC's Peacock as well.

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