RECAP: Johnny Depp's Lawyer Grills Amber Heard in Cross-Examination (Sidebar Podcast EP. 18)

When Miss Vasquez asked you if you knew. why Mr. Depp couldn't or wouldn't look. you in the eye here or in the UK, you. said yes. You know why? Please tell the jury why. Because he's guilty. Because he's he knows he's lying. Otherwise, why can't he look at me? I survived. I survived that man and I'm. here and I'm able to look at him. Amber. Herd back on the stand and directly.

calling out actor Johnny Depp for. allegedly violently abusing her during. the course of their relationship. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law and. Crime, where we recap the biggest. moments in the day's biggest trials. I'm. Jesse Weber. This podcast is sponsored. by Surf SharkVPN. The last thing you. want to think about when you're going. online, you're searching, you're. shopping for things is that you're being. watched and surveiled and your. information being mined by companies and. people. It's so problematic and creepy. Well, Surf SharkVPN can solve all of.

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violence in a 2018 Washington Post op-ed. piece, and that that article ruined his. life and his career. Now, Herd is. actually counter suing Deaf for $100. million, saying that he orchestrated a. public smear campaign against her by. trying to discredit her allegations in. the media and calling them a hoax. And. where we left off, Amber Heard was back. in the witness box. And the day started. with the continued cross-examination by. Depp's attorney, Camille Vasquez. And.

this was a very tense, very tight. cross-examination. Vasquez wouldn't. allow herd even an inch to evade her. questions. And one of the first accounts. that Vasquez focused on was the alleged. sexual abuse that Amber Herd says she. suffered at the hands of Johnny Depp. This is one of the worst accounts that. she relayed to the jury. But what you're. going to hear is Depp's attorney really. trying to point out that things don't. make sense in this story. Listen to this. and I warn you, the content is quite.

graphic and quite disturbing. Your testimony is misheard. that either. he has the bottle before or after he's. holding you by the neck on the counter. Is that your testimony? He held me by the neck on the counter. Where's the bottle that he. at? What point? While holding you down by your neck. When he was assaulting me with the. bottle, it was in his hand. Was it in his hand before or after he. holds you down by your neck? I was being.

held down while he assaulted me with the. bottle. When he puts you on the counter, does he. have the bottle in his hand? Yes or no? As I have always said, I don't remember. exactly what happened first or I don't. remember the sequence. I just remember. being aware that I was being assaulted. by a bottle while I was on the. countertop. So, he penetrates you with this bottle. But you don't know how he got the. bottle, right? That is correct. And he did that right. after he lost the tip of his right. middle finger.

Again, I don't remember the exact. sequence of those events. We'll get to the sequence. And while he. was on 8 to 10 MDMA peel pills, right? Yes. So, not only that, Camille Vasquez. would press Herd on these lack of. visible injuries and photographs after. these encounters. Why Herd wouldn't. always photograph these injuries, why. she didn't seek medical attention. She. questioned whether she used Photoshop to. make the bruises and pictures look worse. and even insinuated that Herd staged. scenes after alleged fights to make it.

look like Depp went crazy. All of this. bad stuff alleged against Amber Herd. But what Vasquez also attempted to do. was to show that Herd wasn't the. innocent victim, but instead a mean and. unstable partner to Johnny Depp. And she. did that by playing a series of audio. recordings between the couple. I don't want you to come along. Hey, my.

big. mistake. I wish I had fucking. Oh, yeah. I wish I fucking hadn't. I wish I. fucking hadn't bought into any of your. fucking lies. Your bullshit, your sober. fucking presence, your fucking goodness, your sweetness, all the lies. I wish I. hadn't bought into the months of you. being you. I wish I had bought promises. I wish I fucking thought I could have. kids with you. You're a fucking kid. yourself. I wish I had bought into any. of the lies you sold. Talk about fake.

bill and goods. You have some bad baby. motherfucking producer. You're the biggest fucking seller of. fake fucking billing goods. Talk about. presenting yourself as something. I did myself as a fake. suck. I fucking you. You You've left nothing. and I've left everything. So suck your. dick. Yeah. Go on. Which is probably your next move because. it's fucking No, I don't want to suck. your dick. I want nothing to do with. your. mean. We'll go get it now.

because I need something. Fucking fuck yourself. No shit. I. suck at you. I don't want to. It's getting. really true now. Actually, it kind of is. It kind of is. What?

Oh, is it? What is it? No, I'm sure Rochelle's available. Hold her up. I'm sure she's available. [laughter]. Maybe she is. I'm sure she is. We'll see. I'm sure she is. Oh, I'm sure she is. For her yoga vlog. [laughter]. That's big laugh. that is too much to. take. So yeah, that is not great, right? And the.

question is, does that seem like someone. who is afraid of Johnny Depp or does. that seem like someone who's the bully. and the aggressor? You know, more of the. recordings would be heard berating Depp, claiming [clears throat] he's a sellout, he's a joke in the industry. You know, again, showing that he's the victim in. this relationship, not the aggressor. And Herd on the standing acknowledged. that she said terrible things to Johnny. Depp, but said it grew out of. frustration that she had with the actor. over his drug abuse and everything that. he was doing. And in fact, Herd was also. confronted with audio recordings of her. begging for Depp not to leave her. And.

then there were these text messages. again begging for him to come back to. her and her apologizing. You start off again by trying to get Mr. Depp's attention, right? You write, "Please come home.". I was trying to stop another bender. You. write, "Please come home." Right. That is correct. Please answer. Don't break us up. Please. answer. Please. And continuing on page 97, you write. Give me some piece of your heart.

Please. No fight. I promise. Please. No fights. Please. Just pick up. Please give me two minutes. I'm dying. Please. And continuing on page 98, you write, "Please come home. Please come home, Baba. I am so sorry.". Actually, you didn't say Baba. You said. baby. Apologies.

And it goes on. Did I read those correctly? That is correct. That was another time. I'm trying to stop another twist off. This is what would happen when Mr. up. would try to take some space from you, right? No, this is what would happen when. Johnny had moved into the next phase of. the cycle, decided to use and our lives. were getting a lot worse at that point. Heard I'm talking about your actions. This is what you would do to Mr. Depp. when he would leave you. You would her.

correct? You wouldra him. Your honor, at least let her answer the. question. Interrupt you. That's fine. Go ahead and answer the. question. Uh I do not think uh I would. characterize my behavior that way. I was. trying to stop him from using. You were texting him incessantly. Isn't. that correct, Miss Herd? It was imperative for my life. It was. very important. My question is much more simple. You. were texting him incessively. I would try or no. everything to get a hold of him and to. stop the cycle.

That's a yes, right? I would try everything to stop the. cycle. It was that important to me. And he's the monster for not responding. to you. That's not what made him the monster for. for needing space from you. The monster was not the guy who needed. space. The monster was who he was when. he came back. Not for doing drugs, Missurd. Not for. being violent, just for needing space. That's when you called Mr. Depp the. monster. Incorrect. This does a few things, right? It It. makes it look like Amber Heard was. obsessive. Johnny Depp would walk away when there.

were fights, that maybe Amber Heard did. something wrong to Johnny Depp, and that. she's vindictive when he needed space. That's when she turned on him and. started accusing him. That's the. impression that could have been left in. the mind of the jury. At least that's. what Johnny Deppside is hoping for. Now, on top of the fact that Herd's. explanation that she didn't want him to. leave because she was worried he was. going to go and do drugs and come back. and be violent. Look, that's definitely. a possibility, but is it a plausible.

explanation for these texts? And then. you add to the fact that there was. surveillance video that was showing her. and actor James Franco heading up to. Herd's penthouse at 11 p.m. at night. while Depp was away. This is the day. after she says Depp hit her with a cell. phone and before she went to the court. to get a temporary restraining order. against Depp. Just the timing of that, the way it looked, the optics, it it. makes her motivations very questionable. Are you looking for a little bit more of. true crime content? Well, if you haven't.

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Now, Depp has been trying to portray her. as someone who made up these allegations. to benefit her career, to become an. ambassador for the ACLU, to receive. preferential treatment in Hollywood. But. maybe maybe most importantly, they say. that she deliberately made this stuff up. about Johnny Depp to get a bigger payout. in the divorce. So, there was this. moment when Herd's 2016 deposition in. the divorce case is played and then. Amber Herd on the stand reacts to it and. it's about whether or not she tipped off.

the media when she was going to court to. get that temporary restraining order. because she claimed that Depp was. violent towards her. Basically, I didn't want him to find out. online that I had or was about to file. or I had already filed for divorce. I. wanted him to know verbally. So, I was. trying to reach him through a third. party to tell him. When I say reach, I'm. specifically saying I would like him to. know information coming from me or. coming from Jerry, from me so that he.

finds out about the divorce filing or my. intention to do so from some other. source other than TMZ, which was. alerted. You slipped up there, didn't you, Missurd? You let it slip out that TMZ. had been alerted to your filing of the. domestic violence restraining order, didn't you? I disagree. That's not what I'm talking. about. TMZ is the same outlet that you released. the video of Mr. Depp attacking the. kitchen cabinets the day before this.

deposition was taken, wasn't it? I didn't do that. I don't know how to do. that. The copyright to that video now, doesn't. it? I have no idea what TMZ. Did they pay you for that? I never got paid for it because I had. nothing to do with that. So TMZ was just. lucky in getting the inside scoop to. your divorce from Mr. Depp. Huh? I have no idea. It is not that's not my. area of expert expertise. I wouldn't. even know how to do that. And also, what. does that get me? If I wanted to leak. things about Johnny, I could have done. that in a much more successful way, in a.

bigger way for years. Not when you were extorting him for $7. million. I got a fraction of what I was entitled. to in the state of California, by the. way. And of course, Herd was criticized. for not donating the $7 million to. charities like she promised. So, it all. makes it look like Herd was in it for. the money and the fame. But from there, they moved on to the subject of the. actual lawsuit. And Herd's position is. that the Washington Post article, the. thing that Johnny Depp is suing her for, wasn't about Johnny Depp. You know, it. doesn't mention his name. It wasn't. about him. She said it was it was all.

about her experience after coming out. with allegations against him, which by. the way, I have to say is quite ironic. because the fact that she has publicly. accused Johnny Depp of abuse and he and. she is now being criticized and hated. online, that is the very thing that she. warned about in the Washington Post. article. So, you know, look, the jury is. going to have to wonder whether or not. the Washington Post article was really. about Johnny Depp. Was it defamation by. implication even though his name wasn't. mentioned? But I just have to say that.

it is ironic that the thing that she. warned about in the Washington Post. article is happening right now. But then. they moved into the counter claims. And. remember, Amber Herd is alleging that. Johnny Depp through his attorney Adam. Waldman engaged in a deliberate smear. campaign against her, making defamatory. statements about her lying about these. abuse allegations. But I will tell you. it wasn't entirely clear how much of. these statements actually hurt Amber. Herd, which is the same argument that we. hear on the other side. How much did the.

Washington Post article hurt Johnny. Depp? It's an important element in a. defamation case. And also, it wasn't. entirely clear what role Depp had in or. allegedly orchestrating this public. smear campaign. But eventually, Herd did. leave the stand after a kind of. disjointed redirect from her attorney. It was mostly interrupted by a peppering. of objections from Camille Vasquez. And. after her left the stand once again her. her team began calling more supporting. witnesses. And that's when we saw the. testimony of Amber's friend Io Tilllet.

Wright. This is a name that's come up. before in this trial. This is crucial. because we haven't really seen the. testimony of witnesses who who said that. they've physically seen or or heard. Amber Heard being abused by Johnny Depp. So, this is important because he's a. witness who allegedly overheard on the. phone a potential physical altercation. between Depp and Herd. Away from the phone, he came clumping. back down the stairs. I heard like a. noise and then the phone dropped.

and um. he said to her, "Oh, you think I hit. you? You think I fucking hit you? What. if I peel your fucking hair back? And then I heard the phone drop again. And then I heard her scream. I remember. her screaming.

And I hung up the phone and I called. Raquel immediately because I know that. she lives one door away and would her. and her boyfriend Josh who's a big dude. would be able to get there the fastest. And uh I I called her, texted her right. away and I hung up with her and. immediately called 911 in New York. And. then I called [clears throat]. a friend of mine.

in LA who I knew had met Amber a number. of times and I think I may have placed a. second call to NYPD. Now I'm all. frazzled and I don't remember, but I. think I called NYPD. The more Amber Heard can present. corroborating witnesses like this, the. stronger her case becomes and the weaker. Johnny Depp's case becomes. Thanks for. joining us here on Sidebar. Please. subscribe on Apple Podcast, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your. podcasts. I'm Jesse Weber. Speak to you.

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