RECAP: Amber Heard's Witnesses Testify About Johnny Depp (Sidebar Podcast EP. 20)

at what point in time did your. relationship with mr duck stop taking a. romantic turn. after i had moved to hollywood. [Music]. and uh he. you know switched the buttons. recall what year you moved to hollywood. yes. um. 1994. when you say switch the bonds can you.

tell me what you meant by that um the. friendship went from a purely platonic. friendship um. to a romantic. one. um. at that point in 1994 when the. relationship turned romantic. uh. do you change that to sexual to sexual. thank you. for how long did your relationship with. mr depp. remain sexual.

several months. anywhere between three and five six. and during that period how often would. you see mr duff that period when it was. sexual i'd say i'd see him three or four. times a week. and again i'm not looking to pry into. into private details but can you tell me. like where you would see him just give. me some sense of that yeah he would come. to my house or i would go to his house.

and both houses in l.a yes about um. 10 minute drive. apart from each other actress ellen. barkin talking about her time with. johnny depp and as you'll hear things. allegedly took a dark turn. welcome to sidebar presented by law on. crime where we recap the biggest moments. in the day's biggest trials i'm jesse. weber this podcast is sponsored by surf. shark vpn when you're online you're. looking at videos you're reading. articles you're shopping the last thing.

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his career but we can't forget that. heard is actually countersuing johnny. depp for 100 million dollars saying he. through his attorney adam waldman. orchestrated a public smear campaign. against her in the media calling her. accusations a hoax so the day started. off with the testimony from people who. know johnny depp very well we heard from. johnny depp's former friend bruce witkin. have you noticed a certain intensity of. mr depp's relationships. yes you know when he was younger he was.

jealous and nick cage or jealous of adam. and because my sister-in-law knew them. and. was besides that um initial time period. was he did he ever tell you about any. jealousy with any other women. or any other times. yeah you know he brought up a few with. vanessa which were ridiculous a lot of. it was in his head and not. in reality. you know what i mean and what about with. amber did you ever uh encounter any.

talk from jd of jealousy with respect to. amber. yeah there were a couple mentions if she. was doing a movie with some guy or stuff. like that in terms of jealousy would. anything make mr depp more bother her. less about her like i said it would if. she was on a film. or. doing something that he couldn't be. around it to. see what was going on i think it would. he'd work himself up i mean he tried to.

clean up a couple times and he did. i think he needed that and he needed. therapy. you know and i recommended that to him. he did it a little bit but then he. stopped. um. because. from my experience it's deep-rooted. issues that he's dealing with has. nothing to do with that that's my. opinion and bruce witkin said that you. know johnny depp basically cut him off. as a friend because he didn't seem too.

happy he was providing this kind of. testimony in a prior lawsuit but he's. not alone because even depp's former. psychiatrist seconded this by talking. about the actor's drug use and how depp. would talk about his anger towards amber. heard and what depp allegedly admitted. was a chaotic relationship this all. showing that johnny depp was out of. control obsessive jealous dangerous. lends to support what amber heard. testified to earlier in the week and. just to give you an example of that.

listen to what amber heard's former. attorney said johnny depp did during the. course of the couple negotiating a. post-nuptial agreement. what if any communication. did you receive from mr depp. in connection with. the post-nap agreement. i received one telephone call. and. whom did you receive that telephone call.

from. mr. death please describe the telephone call. from mr deb. my recollection is that he was very mean. that he called me names. and that he fired me on behalf of them. when you say that he was very mean what. did you mean. well. my only exact recollection is he called.

me a. i mean to really give you a sense of. this later on in the day we all saw the. taped deposition testimony of actress. ellen barkin a very well-known actress. this is somebody who starred with johnny. depp in fear and loathing in las vegas. they had a romantic or she would say a. sexual flang and then she described one. alleged violent incident there come a.

time. ms barkin when. mr depp. acted in a way that was. out of control with you. yes. mr depp threw a wine bottle across the. room the hotel room on one instance in. las vegas while we were shooting fear. and loathing.

in las vegas were you was something. about to happen a fight was going on. between you and mr dunn no. who was the fight between them between. johnny depp. and his friends in the room the. assistant honestly i don't remember and. the bottle that you remember sitting. here today ms barking whether the bottle. was full of wine or empty. i don't. uh sitting here today ms barking do you. remember uh whether the bottle hit you.

no it did not. um did the bottle hit anyone else no it. did not. approximately how far away from you. was mr duff when he threw the bottom. across the room so maybe by by that. breaking the table or a little further. down. it was a. toss. and uh. senior day if the bottle had hit you. would it have injured you ms bark was it.

your understanding back then he was. throwing the bottle at you. i don't know why he threw the bottle. and was it when he threw it was it in. your direction yes. were there other people standing around. you yes so he threw it in your direction. at a group of people yes. this helps to show the violent. tendencies of johnny depp whether or not. he was actually aiming for barkin. but the day wasn't simply about trying. to dirty up the actor it was also trying. to show that he torpedoed his own career. and that is an important point for his.

defamation claim we heard from depp's. former talent agent and this testimony. is absolutely critical. and how did it become. far more complicated in the last 10. years. um.

is unprofessional behavior. anything else. i think that covers a multitude of. things. and that's going to be my next question. what do you mean by mr depp's. unconfessional debate. in the last 10 years of your legislation. showing up late to set. consistently. on virtually every movie.

i would get yelled at i never said to. him you're a difficult client i never. use those words but i was very honest. with him and said you've got to stop. doing this this is hurting you. and it did. and um. yeah. did you still believe that mr depp. was the greatest movie star in the world. no. why not. because his.

star had dimmed due to. it getting harder to get him jobs given. the reputation that he had acquired due. to his. lateness and. and other things that is so important. because in defamation cases we need to. know the harm that was caused by the. alleged defamatory statement it's so. important and herd is attempting to. prove that depp's career and. reputational issues they weren't due to. the allegations she made or the. washington post article but rather his.

own behavior he torpedoed his own career. it was his own bad decisions his own bad. choices that caused him to suffer harm. including money decisions i mean depp's. former business manager testified that. the actor had some pretty extravagant. spending habits get this 300 000 a month. on full-time staff 100 000 a month to. his private doctor. and this one i just couldn't believe ten. thousand dollars a day for his former. private security manager clearly i'm in.

the wrong game folks i mean we even. heard from a representative from walt. disney studios who said she couldn't. confirm that anyone at the company. actually read the 2018 washington post. article the very thing that johnny depp. is suing for meaning it may not have. played a role in disney's decision to. not move forward with depp as captain. jack sparrow and pirates of the. caribbean six now i do want to briefly. state that the jury saw the testimony of. some other witnesses. we heard from an lapd officer with the. domestic violence unit who was called to.

support amber heard's argument that the. officers who responded to that may 2016. incident were heard now says depp hit. her with a cell phone and the police. said they didn't observe any evidence of. an attack or injuries well maybe they. weren't thorough in their investigation. maybe they should have taken notes we. also heard from amber's former attorney. eric george. who was called to the stand to testify. about his review of the washington post. article. important to establish that these. statements were carefully analyzed to.

make sure that they were legal that they. weren't defamatory. but we do have to talk about right now. the testimony of a witness that i know i. personally really was waiting to see and. that is adam waldman depp's attorney he. is at the center of amber heard's. counter claims for defamation. particularly public statements that he. made to the media calling herds. allegations a hoax he even got banned. from twitter he was the one who leaked. these audio tapes i've heard to the.

media as well the question is why did he. do all this. do you have any reason to believe that. you did not say. the end of ms herd's abuse folks against. miss johnny depp no i have no reason to. no reason to dab that. what was were you representing mr deb at. the time you made this statement i'm. going to refer to it as a statement i'm. taking specific words ms heard abuse. folks against johnny depp.

were you representing mr depp at the. time he made the statement that included. miss herd's abuse hoax against john dead. instruct the witness not to answer based. on attorney-client. privilege. i accept the instruction. why did you make this statement same. instruction same basis. i accept the instruction. what were you trying to convey to the. press in making this statement same. instruction same basis.

the instruction. did you make the statement on mr depp's. behalf same instruction same basis. i accept the instruction. did you discuss this statement with mr. deb before making mistakes. same instruction same basis. i accept the instruction. did you discuss this statement with mr. depp following making the statement same. instruction same basis. i accept the instruction. was mr depp aware either before or after. that you were making this statement.

same instruction same basis. i accept the instruction do you mean did. i ever see evidence with my own eyes. that something she was saying was false. yes. yes to some extent i have seen. evidence of things that show her. statements to be false. two police officers. one domestic violence trained. female police officer who testified over. and over and over that there was no. damage to the.

penthouse which ms hurd claimed was. destroyed that's a direct quote. destroyed. there. there are i can think of. nine other witnesses. um the majority of whom. uh are either neutral or actually. misheard's own witnesses. who have testified. in various forms um various times. that.

there were no injuries to her face. whatsoever okay so it's not immediately. obvious that johnny depp directed or. authorized adam wallman to make these. statements on his behalf particularly. because there was only so much adam. waldman can testify to given the. attorney-client relationship. attorney-client privilege and also. there's a question of whether or not. these statements even meet the threshold. of defamation especially if the jury. comes back and says. her did defame johnny depp in the. washington post article she made up. these allegations so these counter. claims could be problematic for amber.

heard but at the very least at the very. least there's a strong argument that. these comments caused amber heard harm. again that important factor to consider. in defamation claims. as ron schnell a social media expert. would explain on the stand more than two. million negative tweets about amber. heard were posted between april 2020 and. january 2021 and about a quarter of them. referred to adam waldman so herd side is. establishing a connection between. waldman statements and the backlash that.

she received in fact to give you an idea. that herd's agent testified that while. no one would actually come out and say. it she believes that amber did lose a. role because of adam waldman's comments. and that amber's career has taken a. major hit because of the online bashing. and she testified that she believed it. was all of the bad news out there all of. the bad press about amber heard that led. to this kind of petition to recast amber. heard in aquaman two even though the. studio said it was due to a lack of. chemistry with star jason momoa and.

we've already heard reports and from. hurt herself when she testified that. that role uh has been significantly. reduced her role has been significantly. reduced in this upcoming superhero film. so as much as we talk about johnny. depp's case and whether or not he's. going to win his defamation claim we. also have to think about whether or not. amber heard will win hers. thanks for joining us here on sidebar. please subscribe on apple podcast. spotify youtube or wherever you get your. podcasts i'm jesse weber speak to you.

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