Pooh Shiesty's Fiery Attorney Slams Gucci Mane Kidnapping Claims

Remember how we covered the breaking. news of rapper Pooh Shiesty getting. arrested on allegations that he partook. in a kidnapping and robbery of. reportedly Gucci Mane and others at a. studio in Texas? Well, we now have Pooh. Shiesty's attorney, Bradford Cohen, right here on Sidebar. He's representing. him in this new criminal case. I want to. find out his responses to the. government's claims, the government's. purported evidence, and how his client. is currently doing. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law & Crime. I'm Jesse. Weber.

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Justice puts it in their release. statement, to give you an idea about. what we're talking about here, quote, "Nine individuals, including well-known. musical artists, were federally charged. for kidnapping and robbing at gunpoint. numerous victims at a music studio in. Dallas, Texas," announced United States. Attorney for the Northern District of. Texas, Ryan Raybolt. Eight of the nine. were arrested in Dallas, Texas and. Memphis, Tennessee, and the charged. defendants include Larntrell Williams. Jr., aka Pooh Shiesty, Larntrell. Williams Sr., Rodney Wright Jr., aka Big. 30, Kadarius Waters, Terrance Rogers,

Demarian Gibson, Demarcus Glover, Corday. Johnson, Darian McDaniel. Oh, and you. remember how I said eight out of nine? Well, we have an update. The FBI's. Atlanta office apparently confirmed to. CBS News, this is per reporting from the. St. Louis American, that the ninth. suspect, Terrance Rogers, was arrested. at an Atlanta home by the Violent Crime. Squad. Okay, so I want to go piece by. piece on this with Pooh Shiesty's. attorney, renowned criminal defense. lawyer to the stars, friend of the show, Bradford Cohen. Bradford, always good to.

see you. Thanks for taking the time. >> Always good to be here. Always good to. be here. >> Now, first of all, for people who don't. know, you previously represented Pooh. Shiesty, and we're going to go through. this more specifically, but just your. general thoughts on this case when the. news broke. >> Uh general thoughts are, you know, I I. also like Gucci Mane a lot, the uh the. alleged victim in this case. I I mean, I've worked with him a lot in the past. I worked with him on uh Pooh Shiesty's. first case. I think he was the reason.

why I got involved in the first case. The whole thing is kind of really a. shame because I think there's a lot that. can be done with both Pooh and Gucci. going forward. I thought they both were. going to really make a lot of money and. and do really well because I think that. there is just a lot there in terms of. talent between the two of them. So, I. was disappointed to hear Gucci's side of. the story, and I wanted to find out more. when I first heard about it. >> And we're going to go through that. We'll go through the little bit of the.

prior case cuz it affects uh this one. We'll talk about the nature of the. relationship, but first, just the. current status uh of your client cuz I. understand a judge ruled that he has to. stay detained. He's in custody right. now. Is that true? >> Correct. So, what happened was the. government, after three or four months. of this case and investigation, they did. they never indicted. They actually filed. a complaint, which is quite unusual in a. high profile case. Usually in a high. profile case where you're going to do a. press release, put it out there, all. this information and all these different.

things that are going on, you usually. want to have an indictment in hand, but. they had a complaint. A complaint is. usually done where they think there's a. rush to get it done. You don't see. complaints where it's usually 4 months. of investigation. So that was unusual. And now that the complaint has been. filed and he's being held no bond, now. they're now seeking to get an. indictment. >> Why do you think that is? Was it the. idea of they were concerned the suspects. would leave or something would get. leaked? I mean, why did why did what why. would they rush to do that then?

>> I think it was I don't know. I think. that it was it wasn't smart. I I I just. never never seen it before. I've never. seen in a high profile case getting a. complaint instead of getting an. indictment. If I was to guess, I think. it was because the individuals that were. involved were not cooperating with. giving statements to the FBI. They gave. statements that night to the Dallas. Police Department. But since that night, they have not given statements to the. FBI. So if I was to guess, I would say.

they didn't want to go in front of a. grand jury without any victim. statements, current victim statements, or current victim contact. And that was. my guess at the time. And since then, Gucci came out with a song, so I don't. know. what the status of cooperating is. >> I want to ask you that. So I clearly. have a lot of I have to ask you. Before. we get into that, how is uh Pooh Shiesty. doing? How's he doing? >> He's holding up. He's it's like any. defendant, right? You know, there's ups.

and downs in cases, and you know this. We've been kind of talking about. different cases for a very long time, and we know there's going to be high. points in cases, low points in cases. So. everyone deals with those things. differently. Pooh is he's always have. have positive attitude. I have a good. conversation with him about the case, a. good conversation about how we move. forward from there. So, he's staying. positive, just like any defendant. should. It doesn't do you any good to. get depressed or get angry about things. It's like, you know, you got to stay.

focused on your case. I tell all my. clients that. Stay focused on the case, make sure you're ready for war because. that's basically what these cases are, and just prepare yourself for that. >> And that's what I want to get into. I. want to get into the case. I want to get. into the alleged evidence uh that was. put forward by the government and see. your response to it. So, according to. this affidavit, I just want to set the. stage here um and try to understand the. relationship because according to it, the government it claims that on January. 10th, 2026, the alleged victims who are. only identified by initials and include. RD, which we have to assume is Gucci.

Mane, real name Radric Davis, that they. were allegedly robbed and kidnapped at. gunpoint at a music studio in Dallas, Texas. And there was apparently a. scheduled meeting between RD and Pooh. Shiesty, Loncher Williams Jr. And. apparently, Pooh Shiesty was reportedly. signed to RD's record label, 1017. Records. They say this meeting was. apparently about a contract dispute that. Williams had wanted out. I throw it to. you, Bradford. First, what can you tell. us about that? What can you tell us. about the nature of their relationship?

>> You know, I didn't have a lot to do with. like how their relationship was or was. not in business. I wasn't his musical. lawyer or entertainment lawyer. I know. that they did have a contract together. because during his first case, Gucci was. very involved in terms of what's going. on. He was concerned for how things were. going in the case and how the result was. going to be at the end of the day and. what the result was going to be. So, I. knew they had a contractual.

relationship, and I also do a lot of. work for artists that are signed to. Atlantic Records, and I know that both. Pooh and Gucci are signed to Atlantic. Records ultimately. So, how it works is. usually an artist is signed to a label. and then they create their own label. that the head label actually owns a. piece of and then they go out and sign. other individuals. Kind of kind of like. a pyramid except not illegal, but it's. kind of like a pyramid where at the top. of the pyramid is the, you know, Atlantic Records or Sony and then below.

that is usually a really big artist like. Gucci or or Drake or someone like that. and then that artist usually gets their. own label to sign other artists and. that's kind of the relationship that. they had is my understanding. >> Is there going to be a denial from your. client that there was even a meeting. scheduled for that day? Because. according to authorities, they say all. these parties show up to this recording. studio. I'll read directly at. approximately 3:43 p.m. Williams Jr., Williams Sr., Wright, Johnson, Waters, Rogers, Gibson, Glover, McDaniel entered.

the east side of the office building. They say according to this affidavit, there are apparent stills from. surveillance footage that allegedly. documents this and we'll get into this a. little bit more, but the affidavit also. says there are photos of the alleged. suspects reportedly leaving the building. and getting into these cars believed to. be connected them traveling northbound. after this incident. To me, if they have. the footage or the supposed is it just I. mean the comings and goings, it's going. to be hard, I imagine hard to deny that.

there was some sort of meeting that day, right? At the studio. >> So, it just depends on what the evidence. is going to produce. You know, like a. defendant always has the right to remain. silent. I always wait to see what the. evidence is before I facilitate or think. about a defense or what I have to hold. the government to their burden, right? So, the government has the burden to. prove the case. I don't have to prove. anything. >> Right. >> The government always has that burden. So, once we get all of the discovery, which we have not gotten, I've seen some.

still photos and the still photos aren't. great. There's no video from inside the. actual studio itself. There's some cell. phone data and things of that nature. that puts certain individuals within a. 100-yard or 500-yard radius. I don't. know what their label is yet cuz again, we didn't get that discovery, but it. should put those individuals in the. area. And then these two vehicles that. leave that area, one of the vehicles is. associated with Lontrell's father. allegedly and one of the other vehicles.

is associated with some other. individuals that they're making claims. against. So, I won't know what the. specific defense is until we see all the. discovery. So, yeah, if sitting here. with you, you know, it could be they. have a great picture of Pooh Shiesty. walking inside the building and you can. clearly see it's him, then it would be. silly to say it's not. But, if they. don't have that kind of evidence, if. they can't produce the kind of evidence. that's needed to carry the burden, then. that's something that needs to be. explored. So, I don't know yet.

>> Totally fair. So, in other words, you're. not confirming or denying whether or not. he was at the studio, whether or not. there was a contract dispute, or what. the nature of that uh that day was. about, right? So, that's basically. what. >> And it would be irresponsible and and. stupid of me to say, "Hey, listen, we're. not going to deny this." Start giving up. things that I don't know whether or not. they can prove or not prove. >> And and look, totally fair what you can. and cannot say and what you want to say. or not say. Totally fair. I'm just going. to go through it with you. Um before we. go any further, >> secrets between us. >> No no no secrets. No secrets.

>> You and I, there's no secrets. >> It's like this. It's like this. Um which. by the way, I just before we go any more. back into the the government's claims, you mentioned this alleged diss track, right? So, the reports that Gucci Mane. allegedly recorded this diss track. against Pooh Shiesty. I believe it's. called "Crash Dummy". I'm going to read. you some of the lyrics. Tell you the. truth, you went out like a real crash. dummy. And after all that, boy, you. still signed to me. I walk in the room, you can feel the pressure building. Blank dapp me up there, whole time they. plotting against me. Thoughts on that?

Client's thoughts on that? >> You know, what I was surprised at is. what's not in the diss track. And what's. not in the diss track is any mention of. a gun, any mention of, you know, allegedly a Draco which was used, which. is a shorter version of a long AK-47. No. mention of those things. And let me tell. you, there's a lot of words that rhyme. with gun and Draco cuz they've been in. every every rap from here to kingdom. come. When you have rappers that that. talk about, you know, these so-called.

drill rappers that talk about shootings. and things of that nature. So, I was. surprised that it didn't have more. detail in terms of like guns were used. or things of that nature. I never have. an opinion on someone's record or song. or diss track because I feel like an. artist is going to say what an artist. says, and that's from their point of. view, and it's from what they feel. occurred at any type of situation or. something that didn't occur that they. feel might sell records. So, I don't.

know. So, for me to say like, oh, I was. worried about it, not worried about it, I just don't care. It shouldn't really. come into play. >> So, you don't think it necessarily might. be coming into evidence in any way? >> No, I don't think it The only time it. would come into evidence is if Gucci. Mane was to take the stand and say I. don't recall what happened that night. I. was on medication or I was drinking and. I was on medication. I'm not positive. how everything went down or something of. that nature. Then the prosecutor might. be able to use that in some sort of. impeachment. But other than that, it's.

not just coming in as evidence. If he. doesn't, you know, if he says he shows. up and he goes, yeah, I remember, it's. kind of a little hazy, but I remember. some things, then it's not coming in if. he testifies the way the song plays out. >> Let me go through the main allegations. from. um the this incident, and then we'll get. a little bit more into this. So, there. was allegedly, according to the. government in argument, and they claim. it ends up with Williams Jr. again, Pusha T, being accused of taking out a. black AK-style pistol, pointing it at R. D, presumably Gucci Mane, demanding he.

sign the contract release paperwork. R D. allegedly complied, signed it, and then. there is the claim that R D was not. allowed to leave as he was held at. gunpoint. So, there's allegations that. Wright also allegedly recorded R D. signing the paperwork and being forced. to say that he released Williams Jr. from the contract. And then afterwards, it's alleged that Williams Jr. took R. D's wedding ring and watch and earrings. and cash. It was alleged that other. defendants took out guns, too, and. demanded property from other alleged. victims. There was an allegation that.

McDaniel threatened to shoot B P, that M. M was choked to the point that he nearly. passed out. And embedded in the. complaint are what appear to be photos. allegedly showing cuts or abrasions on M. M's neck and wrist. And there's also a. claim that his wallet and watches, a. Louis Vuitton bag, headphones, they were. stolen. And then I'm just going to read. this part verbatim and then we'll get. into it. Quote, "R D was pushed onto the. couch in the control room, causing the. victims to believe they were going to be. executed. Williams Jr. placed the barrel. of a firearm to the back of B P's head.

and ordered him and R D to leave the. control room and the studio through the. west entrance of the office building. R. D then instructed C W and T D to escort. them to their vehicle. As the victims. left, M M turned to Williams Jr. and. asked him if they were really taking his. watches. Based on later recovered. surveillance video footage, the target. suspects left the studio and the office. building through the east entrance at. approximately 4:48 p.m." of questions. here, Bradford. I'll first start with. this. If there this alleged recording of R D.

signing the contract against his will, what should we be thinking about that? >> So, so far I haven't seen the recording, nor does anyone have a copy of the. recording as of now. I don't know if. there ever will be a a copy of that. recording. There has been no copy of the. alleged contract that has been signed, nor has one been been. during the bond hearing. And they have. actually said they don't know if one. either even exists. They suppose one. exists. That's that part of it. Then, the interesting part about, "Hey, am I.

really having my watches stolen?" That's. kind of a weird statement to be made. between these individuals. And then, what I think also is really important is. the sloppiness of the complaint. At the. beginning of the complaint, if you read, it says, "This robbery occurred at. approximately 4:50 p.m. at this. address." Then, later on in the. complaint, it says, "They all left at. 4:48 p.m. at this address." So, even the. sloppiness of the complaint is quite. shocking when it comes to someone who's.

getting charged with a life felony. That's just one mistake that was made in. that complaint. There's others that were. made and contradictions that happened. during that complaint that were very. unusual. But, there's also another part. where they say that Lontrell Pooh held. this gun to somebody's head and said all. these different things. And then, there's another part of the complaint. that says, "Actually, he told one guy, 'Hey, put your gun down. Don't shoot. this guy.'" or something like that. So, there's a lot of contradicting. statements that were made within the. complaint, not to mention how sloppy the.

complaint was put together. And during. the bond hearing, I think very smartly, uh they had the FBI agent that actually. wrote that complaint. She's only been an. FBI agent for 3 years. They had her in. the courtroom, but they didn't want to. put her on the stand to be. cross-examined. They put another FBI. agent who was like a 16-year FBI agent. They put her on the stand to testify as. to what the other FBI agent wrote in her. complaint. The whole thing was quite.

unusual. And like I said, it's weird. that they would do this without an. indictment and just a complaint, but I. have my suspicions as to why. >> Well, this goes back to something that. she else mentioned. It seems a lot of. this is based on the witness accounts, right? Not what happened or allegedly. happened in that studio. And you. mentioned something earlier, I want to. explore. You're saying these alleged. victims told local law enforcement what. happened or allegedly happened, but they. didn't speak with the FBI. Um, so two. questions about that. One, based as far. as you know, is what's listed in this.

the government's claims, is that. accurate uh from the reports that were. filed by local PD? And two, why wouldn't. they speak to the FBI if that's true? >> So, the first part of that is I don't. know because the reports that I got from. that evening from the Dallas PD are. completely redacted. Meaning there it it. looks like, you know, it's a sea of. black that that is on these reports. So, the reports from that evening don't give. me a lot of detail as to what exactly.

was said or who who said it. That's the. first portion. So, I can't tell you. whether or not it's accurate to the. complaint. I can tell you the complaint. is rather sloppy in terms of what each. person said and where things took place. But, putting that aside, um that's the. first part of that. Why wouldn't they. talk to the FBI? It could be Sometimes. something happens and you feel some sort. of way that night and then time goes by. and you start to consider my options and. how this is going to go and that I have.

to be at kind of the FBI's beck and. call, subpoenaed to come to Dallas, Texas, subpoenaed on phone calls and. different memorandums and different. things that going forward. And, you. know, it's quite unusual. The hip-hop. rap world looks at snitching in. different ways. And sometimes people say. everything is snitching. There's one guy. who's on he's got a podcast. He thinks. everything's snitching. You know, if you. plea, it's snitching. If you do this, it's snitching. So, people are really.

divided as to like, you know, these guys. are real gangsters, but now on the other. hand, they're snitching. And then other. people are saying, well, you know, the. guy's a a businessman now. He's not a. street guy. And, you know, that's just. the way you know, you should do business. a certain way. There's a lot going on. here, a lot of dynamics. So, I don't. know why they haven't spoken to the FBI. in three or four months. The FBI seems. to think it was just a scheduling. conflict, which I find extremely hard to. believe. >> She said that at the bond the bond. hearing?

>> Yeah, she said yeah, we just couldn't. get together in the past four months. There's five different witnesses. None. of them could even get on Zoom? They. couldn't give you anything? Nope, they. just were too busy. So, like, you know, I just don't buy that. Now, whether or. not going forward they're going to be. cooperating and the level of cooperation. that I don't know. You know what I mean? And I don't depend on that on any case. I assume cases are going forward based. on the evidence that was presented at a. bond hearing and I assume that they're. telling me the truth that, you know, they're going to be cooperating. the FBI.

says they're going to be cooperating. So, I can't take it as that they're. lying to me. I prepare my case as if. they're telling me the truth. Whether. or not at trial that ends up being the. case, it's usually not. >> So, I want to now go into a specific. piece of alleged evidence about your. client that was part of this filing. and it was reportedly used. you know, to to. a support for the arrest. And so, it.

says the complaint claims that your. client was wearing an ankle monitor. because he was serving a sentence like. you mentioned the prior case these. federal charges that the drug and. weapons charges and he was sentenced to. home detention. He had to wear an. electronic monitoring device and they. say that authorities were able to. allegedly use the location data from. that device to seemingly track his. apparent movements near the crime scene. And I believe they say that the ankle. monitor was used to track him and. William Senior to a Staples and the.

allegation was there that they went to a. Staples early in the day to print off. that agreement that print off the. contractual release paperwork that they. say they were forcing R Kelly to later. sign. And the feds also claim that the. surveillance video and the GPS data, they put them there. So, talk to me. about the ankle monitor. >> Sure. For First, let me just address the. Staples thing. Like, I don't even care. if they're at Staples. Like, they. they're going to a recording studio and. normally my clients usually print off. the lyrics for different individuals. If.

you have five individuals that are going. to be on one record and they each have a. section or a part, they'll usually print. those things off. So, I really didn't. care about the Staples thing. The. electronic monitor, again, people will. tell me, "Oh, we have this data. This is. the data that we have." And then when I. get it, it's typically not what they. represent. Now, I don't know. It could. be exactly what they represent. And if. it is, then we'll deal with it. Then, you know, then we don't say a certain. defense of, "Oh, well, he wasn't there.". or "He was in the area." or whatever it.

is. We have to create the defense and. create a way to make sure that they're. held to their burden, the government. So, it doesn't matter what they say, it's matter what they have. >> So, yes, he was wearing. Was he wearing a monitor? Do you know? >> Yes, he was wearing electronic monitor. And if they have the data and the data. is accurate, then we deal with that. But, I don't know if that's the case. You know, I had a murder case that I got. dismissed that was in Tampa where. they're like, "Hey, this phone, it puts. him right at the scene at the time of.

the shooting." Then I get the data, it. puts him within 350 yards of the scene, somewhere near the time of the shooting. So, it's like it's always some little. twist on what they say and what I get. If there's usually a difference. Now, I. don't know if that's the case here, it. might not be. So, I have to I have to. see what the actual evidence is first, um and then I'll deal with it. >> Let's talk about the vehicle ID and cell. phone record evidence. So, the affidavit. claims that Wright's father owns a 2020.

Dodge Charger Hellcat with Tennessee. plates. And authorities allegedly used. license plate readers to track the. Charger following another car, Dodge. Ram, at 2:18 p.m. on January 10th. Then. they claim that the Dodge Ram looks like. the one on surveillance video near the. studio, near the crime scene, later that. afternoon. They apparently used the. license plate readers to also link the. Charger traveling close to a white Buick. Enclave, and through rental records,

they determined that that Enclave was. rented by William Senior. And the cell. phone records for Williams Jr., again, your client and others, and the. telematics location data for the cars, as well as the GPS data from the. electronic monitoring device, authorities claim they're tracking them. the journey from Memphis, Tennessee to. Dallas, Texas, that the electronic. monitoring device allegedly aligns with. the records tracking to Winrose Tower, where Williams Jr. was allegedly. residing, traveling to the alleged crime. scene, when they allegedly left the. scene, going to the Comfort Inn at one.

point. And by the way, with the Comfort. Inn, authorities allegedly have rental. records from the rooms and surveillance. footage allegedly showing them at this. location, and that some of the. defendants were wearing clothes that. were very similar to what the suspects. were allegedly wearing at the studio. based on the surveillance footage. So, I. know that's a lot, Bradford, but. basically, it's digital evidence, right? It's surveillance, it's rental records, it's cars, GPS. Talk to me about that. >> So, long story short is if all of that.

is true, the most that that does is put. everyone at the scene, right? It still. doesn't say if a robbery occurred, doesn't say that a kidnapping occurred. In fact, the jurisdictional element of. this is really troublesome because they. don't put in the dates of that the. travel from Tennessee to Dallas. Now, kidnapping is very specific. You have to. travel. >> Federal kidnapping. >> in order federal kidnapping. You have to. travel in order to complete the crime. that you are accused of. These guys were. there for a week or a week and a half.

recording songs and doing all this. stuff. So, like the jurisdictional. element, they don't even address where. Pooh actually lives in Dallas. The. alleged victim came to Dallas willingly, which again, that's an element of. kidnapping that's not there. All these. different things about jurisdiction, at. the bond hearing they were like, well, if they used the cell phone to record. this signing, then that's the commerce. clause and it affects interstate. commerce. The problem with that is. there's specific case law that the cell.

phone would have to be used in. furtherance of the kidnapping. So, filming someone and then sending it to. Bob Smith and saying, "Hey, if you don't. pay me a ransom, here's the video of. your guy." That's in furtherance of the. crime. Filming someone allegedly signing. a contract is not in furtherance of the. crime. So, they're going to have a lot. of problem with jurisdiction. I know. they're scrambling to try and make sure. the shore that up with jurisdiction, but. the basic is they found no gun, so they.

can't say whether or not the gun was. made in Texas. If the gun was made in. Texas, it doesn't affect interstate. commerce. They found no ammo. If the. ammo was made in Texas, doesn't affect. interstate commerce. The only phone that. was used in any of this was this alleged. recording, which no one has, and they. can't say that affected the actual. kidnapping. So, they have a problem. there. They have a problem going back. and forth throughout. with jurisdiction in terms of proving. that the phone or something in.

interstate commerce was used in. furtherance of the kidnapping. That's. going to be a real problem for them, which they don't address. And all these. complaints, all these indictments, they're very heavy on what they have. because they want to make it like, "Oh, we got them here. We got them here. We. got them here." What they don't have is. they have no guns, they have no ammo, they have no contract, they have no. video. They have no video inside the. studio. They have no other witnesses. besides only the alleged victims. There. were two other witnesses in there. Those.

witnesses say, "We didn't hear anything. We didn't see anything. No one told us. anything." One of them's the owner of. the studio. One of them I think is an. intern from the studio. And this isn't a. massive big studio. There's a couple. different recording studios, but these. were the only guys recording there. So, it wasn't like they were checking on. other studios to see how everyone's. doing. There's only one one group there. So, it's unusual that they didn't hear. anything or see anything. The whole. thing is weird. And like the the fact.

that MM says to, you know, walks towards. the door with everyone and says, "Hey, are you guys really taking my my my. watches?" That doesn't sound like me. that someone that was almost going to. get shot in the face, then says, "Hey, by the way, you know, are you really. taking my watches?" That sounds crazy to. me. >> So, I would counter that as a counter. argument. >> Yes, counter it. >> So, the the purported injuries on MM, couple that with the idea of what we. mentioned, if all that digital data is. true, it might place them at the.

location. But, this is the part that we. haven't talked about. Last part, I want. to get your your point on. It's the. social media accounts. So, authorities, what they did was they compared the. descriptions. of, let's say, Williams Jr. from the. accounts of the alleged victims to an. Instagram account @poohshiesty. So, allegedly, there you go, showing a. match. This is who we described. This is. what it is. But, then they end up doing. so they say William Senior, Wright, Waters, and how there are these photos. of them together online, how they match. allegedly state IDs with the accounts.

too. And for the suspects, Rogers and. Glover, they allegedly match the. surveillance footage with social media. posts of them allegedly possessing the. things that were reportedly stolen, like. a Rolex watch and a pendant. They're. very very specific items. So, the. argument would be a very unlikely that. they would have the exact same thing. And so, their basically the argument is. they're flaunting it after this alleged. kidnapping robbery. And also, they. authorities looked at surveillance. footage, saw what the suspects were.

wearing, and matched it to the. descriptions of the clothes the suspects. were wearing on their social media. accounts. So, it's the social media. activity that authorities are using to. tie in the identities of of the suspects. and what they were allegedly had in. their possession after the kidnapping. robbery. >> Sure. So, one thing is and I thought. this was very interesting. It looked. like Gucci came out with the exact stuff. that was allegedly stolen saying like, here's my chain and here's something. else. I think that he actually showed. like some jewelry that was allegedly.

stolen and that it was still in his. possession. That's the first unusual. part. The second unusual part of that is. the watches and things of that nature. All the government could say is it. looked the same as the one that was. taken. This watch looks the same as the. one that was taken. They can't say. whether or not it is that watch. And in. fact, on one of them where they said I. think it was like a Rolex with a Jubilee. band. I forgot the the type of Rolex. that it was, but they can't say that it. is that Rolex. And in fact, that. individual who had that watch has a.

receipt for purchasing that same Rolex. And in the next picture on his. Instagram, it shows the box, the papers, and the receipt for the purchase of that. Rolex. So, there's a lot of things they. are that I think might be unusual. It. doesn't have every single thing that was. taken. I think there was a Rolex and. some jewelry that was displayed in some. Instagram pictures. And again, those. aren't Instagram pictures from Pooh. Shiesty. Those are Instagram pictures. from other individuals that were.

allegedly involved. >> Well, let me tell you something. First. of all, thank you for so much for coming. on. Thank you for being a sport to break. down the evidence with me. You are an. incredible incredible lawyer. I just. have to tell you. And I really appreciate you taking the. time to to break this down with me. I. really thought it was a fascinating. discussion. And we'll see. I mean, again, to be clear, they are all. innocent until proven guilty. This is. the government's version of events. This. is the government's evidence. You're. 100% right. They still have to meet. their burden. We're in the beginning. stages of this and we will see. But.

listen, Bradford, you're the best. You're such a gem. Thank you so much for. coming on to to to. really address all this. Appreciate it. >> Thanks, Jesse. >> And that's all we have for you right now. here on Sidebar, everybody. Thank you so. much for joining us and as always, please subscribe on YouTube, Apple. Podcast, Spotify, wherever you should. get your podcast. You can also check us. out on NBC's Peacock as well. If you. want to follow me, X, Instagram, my. NewsNation show, Jesse Weber LIVE, Monday through Friday, 11:00 p.m. Eastern. I'll see you next time, everybody.