P. Diddy Trades Baby Oil for Prison Dinner This Christmas

Shawn Diddy Combmes, now a convicted. felon, is spending his first Christmas. behind bars at the federal prison. [music] in Fort Dicks, New Jersey. And. as the disgraced music mogul stares down. a multi-year prison sentence, continues. to deal with ongoing civil litigation, and also has to deal with the fallout. from a very highly [music] publicized. documentary on Netflix. We are taking a. look at how we got here and what Combmes. can expect [music] in terms of holiday. celebrations. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law and Crime. I'm Jesse. Weber.

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celebrating the holidays at a federal. prison in New Jersey. It is his first. Christmas as a convicted felon and his. first Christmas at the FCI Fort Dicks. Combmes was sentenced to 50 months in. prison after his conviction on two. counts of transportation to engage in. prostitution. So, it's about four years, but with credit for time served. Now, I. will tell you in a little bit I am going. to be speaking with somebody who is. apparently consulting with Diddy right. now in prison. But in the months leading. up to his trial in New York City, Combmes was housed at the MDC, the.

Metropolitan Detention Center out in. Brooklyn. This is a notorious jail of. more than 1,000 inmates that has been. plagued with issues for years. Violence, deplorable conditions, smuggling of. contraband like drugs. There's a lack of. manpower apparently. But after the jury. handed down their decision, so. acquitting the 56-year-old of. racketeering and sex trafficking. charges, the highest counts that he was. facing, Judge Arun Subbermanian imposed. the sentence and Combmes was then. transferred to Fort Dixs, this minimum.

security prison that his legal team had. requested be his home for the. foreseeable future. In an October 6th. letter to the court, one of Combmes's. attorneys, Tenny Geragos, wrote, "On. behalf of Mr. Combmes. We respectfully. request that the court strongly. recommend a designation facility to the. Bureau of Prisons. In Mr. Combmes's. judgment in order to address drug abuse. issues and to maximize family visitation. and rehabilitative efforts, we request. that the court strongly recommend to the. Bureau of Prisons that Mr. Combmes be. placed at FCI Fort Dixs for ARDAP.

purposes and any other available. educational and occupational programs. What's ARDAP? Well, ARDOP stands for. residential drug abuse program. It's. available only to federal prison inmates. who have at least two years left on. their sentence. According to CBS News, Combmes was accepted into an ARDAP and. is quote an active participant. So, according to federal regulations, to. qualify for this program, inmates have. to have a verifiable substance use. disorder. They have to enter the program. voluntarily, and they have to complete.

three components of that program. The. first is a unit-based component which. requires inmates to complete a course. provided by the psychology services. department. During that time, the. inmates live separately from the general. population. From there, the next stage. involves follow-up services. And the. third component is referred to as. community treatment services or CTS. It's like a halfway house or something. similar where former incarcerated people. reintegrate into society while still. having some sort of supervision. Now,

it's our understanding that ARDAP offers. incentives. The regulations indicate. there could be limited financial awards. and other local incentives that can vary. by institution, like preferred living. quarters or special recognition or. privileges. But completing a residential. drug abuse program, ARDAP, can even. knock time off your sentence. So, you. can see how it's an attractive option. Now, we've heard about Com's alleged. drug use in the past, even by the way, from his own lips. You might remember. back in May of 2024. So, this is months. after his ex, Cassandra Ventura Fine,

filed a multi-million dollar lawsuit. against him that was ultimately settled. where this kicked off a cascade of. sexual assault allegations. There was. that explosive surveillance video that. was published, that was distributed, that was released. This is the now. infamous footage where it shows Combmes. kicking and dragging Cassie as he tried. to leave the Intercontinental Hotel in. Los Angeles back in 2016. Cassie has. contended that she was trying to escape. from a so-called freakoff. you know, these prolonged marathon-like sex. sessions where she was required to be.

intimate with a male sex worker or. Combmes, sometimes both, while high on. drugs like ecstasy. But when Combmes. realized that she had left, he comes. running down the hallway only wearing a. towel, apparently trying to bully Cassie. into returning to the room. That is. until hotel security intervened. Now, that video spread like wildfire. It was. seen by people all over the world and. some members of the public who had. previously stood behind Combmes. questioned Cassy's narrative in her. lawsuit. There was a big change. Those. who were saying, you know, these.

allegations of him being violent and. abusive, they were total falsehoods. started to falter, right? Started to. change once that video came out. And. going back to what I was mentioning, it. was at this point that Combmes posted an. apology video to Instagram where he. talked about drug abuse. It's so. difficult to reflect on the darkest. times in your life. Sometimes you got to. do that. I was up. I mean, I hit rock bottom.

But I make no excuses. My behavior on. that video is inexcusable. I take full responsibility for my. actions in that video. Disgusted. I was disgusted then when I did it. I'm. disgusted now. I went and I sought out professional. help. Got to go into therapy. and go into rehab.

Had to ask God for his mercy and grace. I'm so sorry. But I'm committed to be a better man. each and every day. I'm not asking for forgiveness. I'm truly sorry. >> And we also heard about Comb's drug use. multiple times during his federal. criminal trial. One of the witnesses.

called by the prosecution was Brendan. Paul. He was accused of essentially. being a quote drug mule for Shawn. Combmes. This was after his arrest at. Miami Opalaka airport in 2024. It was on. the same day that Comb's properties in. Miami and Los Angeles were raided by. Homeland Security. Paul was found to be. in possession of cocaine and marijuana. lace candy. Now, at trial, he testified. that Combmes had not instructed him to. bring drugs onto the plane. Claims that. he had just forgotten the drugs were in. his bag, but he testified that it was.

loyalty that kept him from telling. police the drugs weren't his. And when. asked on the stand about how he feels. about Shawn Combmes, he said it's. complicated. As part of a plea deal, the. charge for having the marijuana candy. was dropped. Paul entered a drug. diversion program, which is often. offered to first-time offenders, and he. was given immunity in exchange for his. testimony. So, nothing he said at trial. could be used against him as long as it. was truthful. During his testimony, Paul. had this exchange with a prosecutor. Quote, "Mr. Paul, were you ever.

instructed to obtain drugs for Mr. Combmes?" I was. Who instructed you to. obtain drugs for Mr. Combmes? He did. himself or other assistants? What types. of drugs did you buy from Mr. Combmes? Marijuana, 2C, cocaine, ketamine, ecstasy. And when asked to explain what. 2C is, he said, "It's basically just. ketamine and Somali in powder form died. paying for the aesthetic." Later, the. prosecution asked, "How did you and. other assistants obtain drugs for Mr. Combmes?" Paul replied, "We would text. the drug dealer and then the drug dealer.

would come to either of the homes." Now, I have to mention this as we're talking. about Combmes behind bars. There is. something that could jeopardize Combmes. admission to a drug treatment program. Bad behavior. There has been some back. and forth about infractions that Combmes. has allegedly committed. You know, TMZ. reported that Combmes was caught with. homemade alcohol, something that Combmes. team has adamantly denied. Now, CBS News. reports that it has seen Bureau of. Prisons documents that show Combmes was.

part of a three-way call in November, something that is not allowed because of. concerns about things like witness. tampering or conducting criminal. business from inside the prison. But. Combmes and his team apparently told. prison officials that he was on a call. with his attorney who added one of his. heads of communication to give the okay. to a statement that they wanted to. release. Colmes also claims that no one. told him about the regulations on the. phone calls and he never got the prison. admission and orientation handbook. This. is again according to CBS. But the. paperwork allegedly contains a. recommendation that Combmes lose 90 days.

of phone and commissary privileges. It's. unclear if that punishment actually. happened, but Combmes is keeping busy. while he serves his sentence. Let's talk. about that. So apparently he's gotten a. job as a chaplain's assistant at Fort. Dicks. This is according to his. publicist. A former commissioner told. CBS News that it's one of the most. wanted jobs in the institution. He gets. to apparently work in a private office. There's air conditioning. He can eat. food that's brought in for religious. services. A corrections officer told the. outlet that the chapel is one of the.

only places that inmates can congregate. freely. That assistants are allowed to. prepare a call out lists which tells. corrections officers who's allowed to. leave their cells. Assistants could. potentially add their friends to that. list. But Combmes is also apparently. taking care of outside business from. behind bars, too. Yeah. Just before. Thanksgiving, his legal team alerted the. court that Combmes had paid the fines. that he owed as part of his conviction. and sentence. Quote, "On October 16th, 2025, this court entered an amended. judgment imposing a $200 special.

assessment and a $500,000 fine to be. paid in full not later than 60 days. after the date of sentencing. We. respectfully submit this letter to. inform the court that Mr. Combmes paid. the fine and special assessment to the. Southern District of New York cashier on. November 24th, 2025. We talk about Combmes behind bars, we. also have to talk about an appeal. because as Combmes works to shave off as. much of his sentence as he can with good. behavior and completion of the intensive. drug program. His attorneys are working.

to not only get him out of prison, but. also get his conviction thrown out. October 22nd, Comb's legal team filed a. criminal appeal on his behalf with the. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. They requested an expedited appeal. hoping to get Colmes out of prison as. soon as possible. They provided the. court with a proposed schedule and said. the government had no objection. And. I'll tell you what, on November 3rd, Circuit Judge Beth Robinson filed this. order. Quote, "Appelent moves to. expedite the appeal on the following. schedule. Appellants opening brief and. appendix due by December 23rd, 2025. The.

government's brief due by February 20th, 2026. Appellants reply brief due by. March 13, 2026. an oral argument in. April of 2026. It is hereby ordered that. the motion is granted. Yeah. So, we'll. be on the lookout for that one as well. Okay. In the meantime, what do Col's. holidays look like now that he's in. federal prison? Well, the. multi-millionaire won't be able to spend. it like he used to, but there are. special meals and activities that. inmates can participate in. In fact,

Holmes apparently teamed up with an. internal group called Bankroll Bosses to. help organize and fund a special meal. for his fellow inmates. According to a. report from US Weekly, the group. volunteered to buy food from the. prison's commissary. But they didn't. just buy it. No, they reportedly spent 2. days preparing all of this food for. these inmates. In all, the outlet. reports that a thousand inmates were. served. Now, Combmes gave this quote to. US Weekly through his spokesperson. Quote, "Thanksgiving to me is about. making sure other people eat. Everybody.

misses their family. People get. depressed during the holidays. We just. wanted to come together as a family and. do our own thing. Now, there's no word. on what exactly Combmes and other. inmates purchased from the commissary to. make this meal, but it is apparently a. very nice gesture regardless. According. to TMZ, the Christmas menu at Fort Dicks. includes a whole Cornish hen, mashed. potatoes, cornbread dressing, mixed. vegetables. But now, I want to bring on. a very special guest. Okay, so now I. want to welcome back on prison. consultant Justin Propernie. And I want.

to welcome back on Not just because I. love having Justin on. But Justin, you. are now working with Shawn Combmes and. his team while he's in prison. Can you. talk to us a little bit more about that? >> Well, I've had a connection through a. mutual friend with Shawn for many years. And when you're in custody, when you're. sitting in segregation, it can change. you and you want to learn. So, our. mutual friend a while back sent him a. book called Earning Freedom that was. written by my friend Michael Santos who.

I met in prison who mentored me. And. Michael spent a year in segregation. before he was convicted and served a. long time in prison. So, our friend. thought that book could help him get. through his own crisis. And when you're. in prison, you relate to people who are. enduring a similar crisis. So I was very. encouraged when she sent the book and he. read the book and said, "I can't change. what's happened, but I'd like to begin. to use this experience as an opportunity. to help people in prison." So through. Prison Professors Charitable. Corporation, which does work in every. BOP prison, it does work in a lot of.

state facilities as well. He has begun. to document and and say, "How can I use. this experience as a way to help. people?" And the beauty of that is you. read these interviews about people in in. prison, even people who have been in in. Fort Digs. We have other people in our. community at Fort Dicks and the common. refrain in prison is it's boring. The. days feel like groundhog day. It doesn't. have to be right. It can be incredibly. productive and you can get there by. learning from other people and beginning. to document the journey. So that's how. the relationship began and it's really. an emphasis on using the experience.

productively recognizing you can't. change what led to this 15-month. sentence right now. But he can change. how he responds. And when you do that, you bring a lot of meaning to your own. prison term. the days don't feel long. and boring and you also begin to help. other people and regardless of how you. feel about Shawn Combmes, you can't deny. that he has an ability to inspire and. help other people and he's beginning to. do that on the inside and I think that's. wonderful. So, I'll always be grateful. our friend sent him a copy of of Earning. Freedom and he went through it and he's.

he's learning from it. He's implementing. the strategies we teach. >> What are some of the ways that he's. helping? I mean, I mentioned before that. he's has this uh specific position as a. chaplain chaplain's assistant. Um helped. with Thanksgiving meals. What else is he. doing to help uh his inmates? >> So, there are some people in prison who. they just continue to play the victim. It's not their fault. They've been. harmed. The prosecutor is looking to. advance their career. Everyone has an. agenda. And it would have been a shame I. expressed to the team if he didn't use.

the experience to focus on the good that. he can do. So how can he be of value to. people when a prisoner is getting ready. for the release from prison? Do you know. what it's like before you go home from. prison, Jesse? Do you know the anxiety. someone faces? They're scared. Yeah, they're scared. You're a convicted. felon. You've been debbanked. You can't. get a license. You might not be able to. get housing. You might be unemployable. You don't have a documented record that. shows why you're a candidate for a. second chance. So clearly given his. business skill set, his success, rather.

than lament about the unfairness and. blame everybody, he said, "I'm here. I'm. going to use the experience. productively." Well, how do you do that? You do what he began to do before he got. even sentenced to prison. And I think. his lawyers did a good job of expressing. to the judge how he used his time in. detention at MDC. Well, by mentoring. other prisoners, what would you like to. do when you come home? Well, how do you. develop that? How do you build that? What relationships do you need? What. education do you need to develop? Is. there value in documenting that journey? So when you come home, you just don't. tell someone, "I've earned a second.

chance." People are going to say, "I. want to see it. Help me understand it.". So as I to say, and I had confirmation. of this before our team began to guide. him through the nonprofit. He's helping. people understand how they can use their. time productively. He's using his. business skill set in mind to help. people use their prison term more. productively. And I think that's. wonderful. And it gets in the way of. this message of it's boring. There's. nothing you can do in prison. It's it's. complete, right? >> It's not true. It can be a really. incredible productive experience if you. find perspective and recognize there's. value you can provide.

>> No, I completely understand that. Um, did he give you though any indication. about how he's doing there? Is he. scared? Is he miserable? I mean, you. talk about doing productive work, how it. can make the days uh go by in in a more. uh, you know, positive way. But has he. given you any indication about what his. life is like there? There there's no way. to spin that being in prison is is. difficult. Being in a low security. prison is is hard. Being separated from. your family is difficult and spending.

time in prison during the holidays is. hard. That's hard for any federal. prisoner. So certainly there are sad and. down days. But I think there's been this. shift and I think it's it's helped. learning from people who have gone. through it. Not me. I served one year in. a minimum security camp 16 years ago. like Shawn, like me can benefit from. someone like Michael who did 26 years. and has such credibility inside of every. single prison because he did it. Michael's touring all of these prisons. He'll speak at Fort Dick. Sean will be.

there. So rather than just lament over. how sad it can be and it can be for any. prisoner, he's using the experience to. be productive, avoiding problems, doing. his job, exercising, managing your diet. as best you possibly can. And then when. you, you know, respond appropriately, you begin to focus on what remains. And. I sort of think that's where he is. because on a 50-month sentence with time. served in programming, it begins to hit. you like this is going to be over pretty. quickly. But a lot of my brothers on.

this inside, especially in a low. security prison, Jesse, have 12, 15, 18. years left. So certainly it's difficult, but when you compare it to so much of. what's around him, people who have been. in and out of the system, who have not. had opportunities that he would. acknowledge he had, you begin to say the. time is going to begin to serve me. This. is an opportunity. And I have no doubt. and I can confidently say the time is. beginning to serve him. And in so doing, he's beginning to help other people. And.

I believe you're going to begin to see. more documentation what he's actually. doing. So, we're not just talking about. it because it feels very good to say, "I. want to help people. What does that. mean? I want to change people's lives. What does that mean?" We want to begin. to develop it, to build a record, to. show the result of that work. And. through the nonprofit, he's going to be. in a position to do that. And um that's. how you get through the holidays in. prison in prison. You recognize it will. end and use the experience to benefit. other people. And I know prisoners. around him appreciate it because I've. heard it from myriad people. Let me ask.

you this, and I was hoping you can. clarify. I mentioned before the. allegations that he had broken BOP. rules, whether it was making alcohol or. was engaging in a three-way phone call. Is there any clarity you can provide to. that, those accusations? >> Here's what I can tell you, cuz I've. been to prison and I know disciplinary. infractions and our team has people in. our community in every prison and. probably most lowsecurity prison as. well. If you get caught drinking in. prison, Jesse, let me tell you what. happens. You're going to lose all your. good time. you're gonna go to the hole.

for a long, long time and he'd be in a. medium security prison right now. So. just because someone says it in an. article doesn't mean that it's true. It. is a significant disciplinary. infraction. I can't comment to any other. disciplinary infraction what he's been. charged with. I know if there was a. significant disciplinary infraction, drinking, iPhones, crazy things that can. exist inside of these minimum security. prisons or low security prisons, he. would not be standing for count at Fort. Dicks using his time productively using. his time in the afternoon to help people. help other prisoners prepare, read,

document the journey. That much I can. tell you. >> Can you tell me what would his life. would be like as an assistant to the uh. prison chaplain and being a part of this. ARDAP program? I mentioned a little bit. before, but what does that mean for him? >> Well, there's a lot of good programs in. the Federal Bureau of of of Prisons, and. the ARDAT program is an excellent. program. It's a 9-month, 500 hour. program. There are certain stages upon. completion of the program, you are able. to earn up to 12 months off your.

sentence. People who succeed through the. program, it's not just a fixation on. getting the time off. It's what can you. learn from it? How can you benefit? how. can you change some patterns in the past. that might have led you to the wrong. side of prison boundaries. So, it's a. phenomenal program. People who aren't. even pursuing ARDAP to get the time off, still wish they could do the program. That's why there's a program called the. non-residential drug abuse program. So, certainly he's engaged in as much. programming as possible, both to learn. to qualify for potential credits. It. also helps pass the time. There's only. so much you can exercise, read, write,

sleep in federal prison. So, programming. is essential. But here's something. that's important. It's not enough to. just say, "I went through programming. Why did you go through it? What did you. learn? Same thing with the book report, right? He wrote a report about earning. freedom. Why did he read it? What did he. learn from it? How do I relate to. someone who served time in prison? You. don't excel in prison by doing what's. required, avoiding disciplinary. infractions and going to programming. That is not extraordinary. I think he's. striving to be extraordinary, compelling, and only then do you have. authority to actually help other people.

I think part of the reason Michael. Santos has authority is because he did. it. It's documented. You can't fake it. to his job. I can't tell you that it's. terribly tedious. You do tasks that. you're asked to do. That could be. sweeping the floor, filing, responding. to various things, emptying the trash. The key thing is you do it. You'd be. surprised how many people in a low. security prison or camp outsource their. job, pay someone to do their job, and. that could lead to just really. unfortunate circumstances. So again, just cuz he's working and going to. programming, that is not exceptional. It's required. I think it's the things.

he he's doing on top of that to try to. help other people. And I believe you're. going to begin to see more of that in. the weeks and months. So you can hold. him accountable. It's one thing to say. it, it's another thing to actually do. it. And I think that's where things are. going to change. >> And there's a lot of eyes on him. Uh. regardless, you know, one of the things. we we started with, what is his life. like during the holidays, Christmas. being spent at Fort Dicks, especially, can you tell us what to expect there? Well, Michael served 10 years at at Fort. Dicks, and he would probably tell you. Fort Dicks low is no different than any.

low security prison across the country. There are people uh thousands of people. coming in and out of this institution, many of them getting ready to go home. and excited, many scared, many of them. don't have the ability to visit because. their family can't afford it, can't even. make phone calls because it's too. expensive or send an email because it's. 5 cents a minute. So, time in prison can. be terribly difficult and it really. amplifies during the holiday season. And. it really you can real feel incredibly. lonely and there's no doubt that he may.

have those feelings and then you begin. to think at some point it's it's going. to end. The experience is going to be. over soon enough and the goal for him or. any prisoner this was my goal. You don't. let it amount to a life sentence which. it can be for so many people. Don't let. 50 months or 18 months or Michael served. 26 years and now he's implementing our. programs the nonprofit programs in every. prison. You want to use the experience, you know, productively. Uh, but there's. no way to spend the holidays can feel. lonely. It's it's it's very hard.

Visitation is not always what it's. cracked up to be in prison because you. get bad news, right? We don't have money. to to pay the bills. There's tough. things going on at home. You're a. father. You're not here to uh to lead. Visitation during the holidays people. think would be wonderful. It isn't. always wonderful. So to the extent that. he can adjust well and help others. adjust well, it makes a brutal, awful. situation more palatable. It's difficult. to to serve time and holidays in prison. I'm grateful I only had to do it once. >> Yeah. And talking about visitation, do.

you know who's visiting him? Um family, friends, can you share anything like. that? >> I would encourage any prisoner, including Shawn Holmes, to use their. visitation time productively. You'll. have Saturdays and Sundays. You can be. together from 8:45 or 9 until 3 and you. can embrace at the beginning and end of. the visit. And it's a wonderful. opportunity to visit with friends, with. family to talk about what do you do. next. I would tell anyone going to. prison. Family knows when you visit if. you're actually doing the work. You can.

kind of fake it through email. You can. kind of fake it on a phone call, but. when you're together for six or eight. hours in a visitation, Jesse, they're. going to know how you're adjusting. Are. you doing what you say you are going to. do? argue as he read earning freedom, a. book that inspired him to like I want to. earn my way out of here. I want to help. other people. You're able to see it. So, I encourage him or anyone to visit to. use the time productively because as you. know, well, you don't know thankfully, but for someone who's been to prison, imprisonment is harder on those that. love and support you. And it's a. wonderful opportunity during a. visitation to lead. This is what I'm.

doing. This is what I'm documenting and. what I'll continue to do. And I will say. when I went to prison, nobody knew me. So, it was very easy. So, I began to. document my journey. You see some of my. books and prison journal behind me. But. it was easier to do with no scrutiny. But when you do it with this level of. scrutiny, everyone paying attention to. every move. It's harder. But that's the. responsibility that that comes with it. So I suspect when friends and family. visit him, they're inspired and. encouraged by how he's responding to a. really difficult situation, but not. through talk, through action. And that's.

where the accountability metric I over. time will help. It's not it's one thing. to say you're going to help people in. custody. It's another thing to actually. do it and document it and like I said. earlier I suspect you'll see the results. of that work. >> It's definitely a very very good point. that you made that the people who have. big family big support system friends on. the outside it can be incredibly. difficult uh being away from them. There. was one more part about this that was. cur curious about a lot of people can. you know curious about it is the. celebrity aspect right so there should. be known that Shawn Combmes is not the.

first celebrity to call Fort Dicks home. You have Joe Judice who spent some time. there. He along with his then wife, Real. Housewives of New Jersey star Terresa. Judice, they pleaded guilty in 2014 to. bankruptcy, mail, wire fraud charges, a. tax charge for Joe. Teresa was sentenced. to 15 months in prison. Joe got 41. months. And after his release, according. to Newsweek, he was deported back to. Italy because he'd been brought to the. United States as a baby by his parents, never got citizenship. But the outlet. reports that Judice has been relocated. to the Bahamas. And by the way, you. probably remember this guy, Farmer Bro,

real name Martin Sharelli. He made. headlines in 2015 when his. pharmaceutical firm obtained the. manufacturing license for a drug that. they then increased from $13.50 a pill. to $750 a pill. At 2017, he was. convicted in federal court for. defrauding investors. He served part of. his seven-year sentence at Fort Dicks. I. mean, Justin, big picture here. Do. celebrities do noteworthy individuals, do they get different kind of treatment. in Fort Dicks or in prisons? It's harder to go to prison as a.

celebrity because you probably have half. the population that are going to lionize. and love you and admire you, including. some staff. The other half of the. population may loathe or hate you. I'. we've worked with probably most. celebrities who have gone in and you. find half are going to loathe and hate. you because of the attention. They may. deduce you got a shorter sentence. because of the lawyers that you've. hired, the relationships that you have, your access. Some prisoners of course. aren't going to care. Some may be. off-put that this high-profile prisoner. is disrupting their routine. It's more.

the reason if you go in high-profile. that you've got to study your. environment, not seek to manipulate this. environment. You've got to lay low. You've got to adjust. You've got to do. your job. You've got to not cut in line. when going to the chow hall. You've got. to be respectful and embrace the idea, especially in low security prison. People have lived here for weeks, months, decades, and years. And all eyes. will be on you. So, from what I've. heard, he's adjusted well. There's a. sense of humility and celebrating.

people's birthdays and singing together. and and embracing people's ideas and. giving them advice, which is tricky when. you are a celebrity and you have. business expertise because you do have. to be careful about giving unsolicited. advice to someone in prison, especially. when they didn't ask for it. So, you. have to manage. It's a little bit tricky. there. So, people ask him, he he's able. to offer that advice. So I would argue. based on the celebrities with whom our. team has worked, he's adjusted well. He's avoiding problems and the. perspective changed. I don't think it's.

anything other than reading a a great. book. The idea that you should be. productive in prison, earn freedom, don't do what's required, be. exceptional, be extraordinary. And. regardless of how you feel about him, it's hard to not agree that for a large. portion of his life, he was exceptional. Now he's just channeling that in a. different direction. Helping his. brothers in prison use the time. productively. So there can be a target. on your back if you're a celebrity. Too. many in my opinion, not all, but some.

come home and they lament, they. complain, they excuse, and they miss a. golden opportunity, Jesse, to use their. platform, to use their their platform as. an opportunity to bring more attention. to this system. I think we send too many. people to prison. Recidivism rates are. too high. Too many people leave, they go. back. They miss an opportunity to use. their experience to change the lives of. millions of people. And I think in. getting vested with Prison Professors. Charitable Corporation, which influences.

millions of people in prison, has a. platform in the BOP, it's an opportunity. for him to say, I can use my skill set. because I'm doing the work, leverage off. this nonprofit that helps millions of. people. I suspect when he comes home, that will be the messaging focused on. the good. what he learned, how he. helped, rather than, my opinion, what. too many people do. They um they play. the victim and they don't recognize they. have it better than most. Don't talk. about your injustice. You have. resources, job. Talk about the injustice.

you see on the inside that your brother. in the chow hall or someone you walk the. track with has 14 years left to serve. How are we helping him develop values. and skills to emerge successfully? That. is what I know he's beginning to do. And. it all started because he read a book. We encourage everyone to read literature. that relates to the life they'd like to. live. And I suspect he's going to do it. But like I tell everyone, we'll see. accountability measures. Let's hold him. and everyone going through this process. accountable. >> Well, for now, Sean Col's release is. scheduled for June 4th, 2028, according.

to the Bureau of Prisons. We will see. what happens next for him and his life. behind bars. Uh Justin Pernie, thank you. so much for coming on. really appreciate. you uh sharing uh your experience with. Shawn Combmes, talking to us about what. he's doing, uh talking to us, what we. can expect. Um really appreciate it and. good seeing you. >> Happy holidays, bud. Thank you. >> That's all we have for you right now. here on Sidebar, everybody. Thank you so. much for joining us and as always, please subscribe on YouTube, Apple. [music] Podcast, Spotify, wherever you. should get your podcasts. You can follow. me on X or Instagram. I'm Jesse Weber.

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