OpenAI CEO Confronted Over Whistleblower's Mysterious Death

In a wild new interview, political. commentator Tucker Carlson, questions. Sam Alman, the CEO of OpenAI, the. company behind Chat GPT, about the. strange death of a former employee. But. did he just accuse him of murder? Carlson says no. Altman seems to say. yes. We're going into the backstory, the. competing narratives, competing. conclusions of this employees death to. get to the bottom of what on earth is. going on here. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law and Crime. I'm Jesse.

Weber. [Music]. Did Tucker Carlson just accuse Sam. Alman, the CEO of OpenAI, the company. behind ChatGpt, of murder? I mean, according to Alman, the answer seems to. be yes. Here's what happened. Okay, I'm. scrolling through X and I see this clip. It's from an almost hour-long interview. that the political commentator did with. the tech innovator. And this over 7inut. bite, this 7-minute conversation is.

arguably one of the most awkward and. tense exchanges I have seen in quite. some time. And it concerns the death of. former Open AI employee, 26-year-old. Suchir Balagi back on November 26, 2024. Now, to be clear, this is not something. I even knew about, not something I. followed. But I will tell you what, after I heard this interview, I. immediately told my team, you know what, maybe we should do a deep dive on this. after what happened here. And that is. exactly what we are going to do right. now. We are trying to understand more.

about the investigation regarding. Suchir's death. And I'm going to bring. on a former FBI agent a little bit later. on to get his take on what exactly is. going on here. Now, to be clear, to be. clear, neither Sam Alman nor anybody at. OpenAI has ever been criminally charged, prosecuted, investigated for the death. of Suchir. We will explain why, but I. just want to make that very, very clear. But let's actually start with this. interview and then we'll work our way. back. Unfortunately, due to copyright.

restrictions, we can't play you. Carlson's interview with Altman. What I. can do is read you back key portions of. the transcript. I will also tell you due. to YouTube guidelines, we have to be. very careful regarding some of this. subject matter just to say is it. possible that Suchir was not in fact. murdered but rather died as a result of. his own doing. Let's say it like this. I. think you could put two and two. together. We just don't want to get. flagged because this is an important. story. So, let's talk to the interview. Carlson starts and says, "You've had uh.

complaints from one programmer who said. you guys were basically stealing. people's stuff and not paying them, and. then he wound up murder. What was that?". Alman responds, "Also a great tragedy.". Uh, he committed, "You can fill in the. blank." Basically saying he died from a. gunshot wound by his own hand. Carlson. then asks, "Do you really think he did. that?" Alman responded, "I really do. This was like a friend of mine. This is. like a guy that is not a close friend, but this is someone who worked at OpenAI. for a very long time. I spent I mean, I.

was really shaken by this tragedy. I. spent a lot of time trying to, you know, read everything I could, as I'm sure you. and others did, too, about what. happened. And Alman stresses again that. to him it looks like Such was not. killed. Now, Carlson presses him on why. he thinks that, to which Altman. responds, "It was a gun he had. purchased. It was This is like gruesome. to talk about, but I read the whole like. medical report. Does it not look like. one to you? And Carlson responds, "No, he was definitely murdered. I think um.

there were signs of a struggle. Of. course, the surveillance camera, the. wires had been cut. He had just ordered. takeout food, came back from vacation. with his friends on Catalita Island. No. indication at all that he was, you know, fill in the blank. No note, no behavior. He had just spoken to a family member on. the phone. And then he's found dead with. blood in multiple rooms. So that's. impossible. Seems really obvious he was. murdered. And then this is where the. interview takes this wild, wild, uncomfortable turn. Carlson says, "Have. you talked to the authorities about it?".

And Altman responds, "I have not talked. to the authorities about it." Carlson. responds, "Um," and his mother claims he. was murdered on your orders. Alman. responds, "Do you believe that?" Carlson. says, "I'm well, I'm I'm asking." And. Alman responds, "I mean, you you just. said it, so do you do you believe that?". Carlson says, "I think that it's worth. looking into, and I don't I mean, if a. guy comes out and accuses your company. of committing crimes, I have no idea if. that's true or not." Of course, and then. is found killed and there are signs of a. struggle. I don't think it's worth.

dismissing it." And Carlson goes on to. say, "Um, I think if he was your friend, I would think you want to speak to his. mom." Alman says, "I did offer. She. didn't want to." Carlson says, "So, do. you feel that, you know, when people. look at that and they're like, you know, it's possible that happened. Do you feel. that that reflects the worries they have. about what's happening here? And he's. referring of course to OpenAI and. people's concerns about it. And Altman. jumps in and says, "I haven't done too. many interviews where I've been accused. of like," and Carlson jumps in and says,

"Oh, I'm not accusing you at all. I'm. just saying his mother says that I don't. think a fair reading of the evidence. suggests." Again, fill in the blank. I. just don't see that at all. And I also. don't understand why the authorities. when there's signs of a struggle and. blood in two rooms, I don't understand. how the authorities could just kind of. dismiss that. I think it's weird. Alman. responds, "You understand how this. sounds like an accusation." And Carlson. responds, "Of course." And I mean, I. certainly let me just be clear once. again, not accusing you of any. wrongdoing, but I think it's worth. finding out what happened, and I don't.

understand why the city of San Francisco. has refused to investigate it beyond. just calling it a an altman response. I. mean, I think they looked into it a. couple of times, more than once, as I. understand it. I saw that, and I will. totally say when I first heard about. this, it sounded very suspicious to me. Carlson says, "Yes." Alman, "Um, and I. know you had been involved." And Carlson. says, "Well, his mother asked about the. case and I know, you know, I don't know. anything about it. It's not my world.". And Alman says, "She just reached out. cold." Carlson responds, "She reached. out cold and I spoke to her at great. length and it scared the crap out of me.

The kid was clearly killed by somebody. That was my conclusion objectively with. no skin in the game. Alman responds and. after reading the latest report, Carlson. says yes. Like look, I immediately. called a member of Congress from. California, Roana, and said this is. crazy. You got to look into this and. nothing ever happened. And I'm like, what is that? Alton responds again. I. think this is I feel strange and sad. debating this. And you are a little bit. accusing me, but this was like a. wonderful person and a family that is. clearly struggling. Yes. And I think you. can totally take the point that you're.

just trying to get to the truth of what. happened and I respect that. But I think. his memory and his family deserve to be. treated with a level of respect and. grief that I don't quite feel here. Carlson strongly pushes back and says, "I'm asking at the behest of his family, so I'm definitely showing them respect. I'm not accusing you of any involvement. in this at all." And then later, Alman. says again, "When it first happened, he. thought it sounded weird, but later. changed his mind based on more details. that came out." Carlson pushes back, emphasizes again the alleged blood in.

two rooms. Apparently a wig in the room. that wasn't such cheers. No note. He. ordered takeout food, but Alman counters. I this is where it gets into I think a. little bit painful. Just not the level. of respect I'd hope to show. People do, you know, fill in the blank without. notes. A lot like that happens. People. definitely order food. They like before. they, you know, do something. Again, you. can watch this whole interview. It is. just something. It is very, very wild. It's uncomfortable. Again, made me want. to do a story on it. But what is this.

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easily start a claim at. forthepeople.com/lcsidebar. by clicking the link below or scanning. the QR code on screen. So, Sushir Bellagi was found dead in his. San Francisco apartment. Now, the San. Francisco police and the office of the. medical examiner concluded that Suchir. died by his own hand. That there was. quote no foul play was found during the. initial investigation. And that is. consistent with the report. So, what. does that say? Well, it says cause of.

death, gunshot wound to the head. Quote, Bellagi was found unresponsive inside. his locked apartment unit, deadbolt. engaged with an apparent self-inflicted. gunshot wound to his head. Entry to the. unit was made by the building manager, San Francisco Fire Department. paramedics, and San Francisco Police. Department officers to perform a. wellness check. San Francisco Fire. Department paramedics pronounced death. at 1320 hours. Now, here are the. additional investigative observations in. this report. Quote, Bellagi's fourth.

floor apartment is accessed through the. front door. There are no other entry. points to the unit. The apartment. windows are stories above the shared. courtyard and street and are equipped. with devices that restrict the window. opening to approximately 4 in. There was. no evidence of forced entry to the unit. or disturbance within the unit. A. desktop computer was observed on scene. Recent searches for brain anatomy. included total gray matter volume and. white matter. H now this is interesting. He was pronounced dead November 26, but.

the report says Belgi last communicated. with his mother via text message on. Friday, November 22nd, 2024. At that. time, he did not voice any complaints or. concerns. And according to the report, his mother had said that he had. experienced significant stress recently. and that he had quit his job and was. actively seeking new employment. But she. also stated that to her knowledge, he. had never expressed that he would do. something like this. So, the report. continues. The following items were.

secured at the scene. One Glock pistol. containing four live rounds in the. magazine and one spent casing located in. the chamber and one gunshot residue kit. and one handbag kit. The pistol was. purchased and registered by Bellagi on. January 4th, 2024. Now, as far as the. body, the report states that Bellagi was. found lying supine on the floor of the. bathroom. The pistol was found. underneath his right thigh. Also, when. the examination was done, quote, "The.

front and back of the hands show no. traumatic injuries." So, there doesn't. appear to be anything out of order. When. you look at this report, there was no. trauma. All appears to be normal other. than, of course, the gunshot wound. But. the body, the report says that the body. is of a well-developed, well-nourished. adult man. There's nothing abnormal. going on here. And then you go to the. gunshot wound where it says, quote, "On. the gloella of the forehead, centered. approximately 13 cm below the top of the. head and 0.5 cm right of the interior.

midline is the entrance gunshot wound. And the wound track travels from the. deedants's front to back and downward.". The report also indicates that he had a. blood alcohol concentration of.178%. That is twice the legal limit. And. apparently there was also the presence. of drugs in a system including the. depressant GHB. So in other words, right, when you look. at this report, it seems to support.

Altman's conclusion from the interview. Here's the problem. Forbes and the San. Francisco Examiner, they report that. Suchir's parents believe he was. murdered, that he was killed by Open AI. because of him speaking out against the. company, calling for a full. investigation, questioning the medical. examiner's report. More specifically, Suchir's parents, Pornnea Ramaro and her. husband, Balagi Ramurthy, commissioned a.

second autopsy by Dr. Joseph Cohen. And. Porn Neima told the San Francisco. Examiner that the trajectory of the. bullet actually doesn't match up with. Suchir doing this to himself. That it. took a diagonal path from his forehead. through the base of his head and didn't. make contact with his brain. Right? So. more of like an execution style. The. second autopsy, this autopsy that was. apparently commissioned by Suchir's. family also found a potential injury to.

his head. evidence of assault is what. the allegation is. Now, it doesn't. appear though that that report was. provided to the media. His mother also. apparently commissioned her own crime. scene investigation of her son's. apartment with investigator Dr. Desh. Ralph. Dr. Ralph saying in his report, "The crime scene examination is. inadequate and incomplete and. unscientific." Something to note here, and this is based on the reporting what. Carlson references, right? the. surveillance camera wires being cut, the. blood in the multiple rooms. Uh, these.

allegations apparently haven't been. substantiated in official reports, but I. want to talk about what the family's. independent crime scene investigation. determined. Okay, so this is based on. reporting from the Daily Mail regarding. apparent photos of this scene. Photos. that allegedly show blood pulled around. the bathroom door where Suchir's head. was laying. And inside the bathroom, there were blood droplets apparently on. the tiles, the cabinet, the cabinet. handle, and on the other side of the.

room with Ralph, Dr. Ralph, concluding. that it looks like some blood fell from. Suchir as he was sitting, maybe even. crawling, and some while he was. standing. And there's also a. possibility, according to Dr. Ralph, that Suchir could have coughed up blood. Now, to be clear, the Daily Mail also. reports that some of the blood allegedly. found splattered around the bathroom was. not exactly near Suchir's body. And. there was also citing how a wireless. earbud was found on the floor near his.

bedroom with blood stains on it and the. other earbud reportedly being found by. the bathroom door in a deposit of dried. blood. So, this all seems to be kind of. backing up what Carlson was talking. about. Also referencing what Carlson. said in his interview, the Daily Mail. reports that in the blood stains were. synthetic hairs from a wig or possibly. from a wig. That the apartment was. allegedly ransacked as if someone was. searching for something and it was.

reportedly particularly messy near. Such's body, citing how in the bathroom. a trash bin was knocked over. His father. reportedly said that his son's apartment. Yes. It was messy, but it was never in. that much disarray. Dr. Ralph writes in. his report, "The disturbed surroundings. supports possibility of fights, resistance, which need to be. corroborated with other forensic. evidence." And Dr. Ralph cited that such. most likely bled for 15 to 30 minutes, and wrote that the scattered scenes were.

quote more likely seen in homicidal. death scenes. Now, also in reference to. the Carlson interview, the Daily Mail. reports that a halfeaten meal in this. plastic tray was found on a desk in the. apartment. There was a fork, there was a. restaurant receipt, and yes, Such. apparently did come back from a. week-long trip to the Catalina Islands. for a week with friends. His father. saying that his son was happy though and. how he had fun on this trip. I will say. though, the Daily Mail reports that one.

of his friends on this trip said that. while not unusual for Suchir, he did. seem to be thinking deeply on the trip, he even walked by himself at one point, but emphasized this friend emphasized. how Suchir was in a good mood. His. father saying in their last phone. conversation on the 22nd, when asked if. he wanted to go to an exhibit with him a. few months later, Sutier apparently. responded, "Sure, let's see. I'll think. about it." And when he asked his son if. he was going to visit, Suchir apparently. said not immediately. So his parents.

don't believe there was any indication. that Suchir would do something and they. believe that foul play is a foot which. begs the question why, right? Hypothetically, allegedly, why would. open AI want Such Balagi dead? Well, Suchia reportedly spoke to the New York. Times a month before he died. And this. is about two months after he left the. company. He was reportedly very vocal in. how OpenAI was allegedly illegally using.

copyrighted material to modify the AI. model, the chat bots, and that this was. going to hurt the owners of these. copyrighted works, telling the Times, "This is not a sustainable model for the. internet ecosystem as a whole. If you. believe what I believe, you have to just. leave the company." And yes, he quit the. company. posted an essay about this on. his personal website. And Suchir was. also named in a court filing regarding, by the way, the New York Times lawsuit. against OpenAI. They were suing them for.

copyright infringement, basically saying. the platform was misappropriating their. articles to train their chat bots. And. now these chat bots are directly. competing with the Times when it comes. to people getting their information, getting their news. So OpenAI, by the. way, denies these allegations. But going. back to this court filing, it states, quote, "As a good faith compromise, OpenAI has agreed to search the. custodial files of former employee Such. Balagi to identify documents in his. custodial file, if any, related to.

purported copyright concerns he has. recently raised following his employment. at Open AI.". Such's mom told the Daily Mail that her. son also was no fan of Sam Alman. Quote, "He's a very weird person. Such hated. him that much I can tell you. All his. friends say he was very vocal against. Sam Alman. Now it is not just Suchir's. parents who question the official. findings. There have been others who. believe that there is more to this young.

man's death. Back in January, California. Representative Ro Kana posted on X. regarding Suchir's mother's claims, quote, I am heartbroken by your loss. Given your very serious concerns about. foul play, I do believe that there. should be a full and transparent. investigation into the death by the FBI. or appropriate agency. Elon Musk, who. is, as you know, apparently no fan of. Sam Alman, a big rival to him. The two. tech giants have been feuding for a. while. He posted just the other day on X.

a response to Carlson's interview with. Sam Alman, supposedly, by the way, has. to do with OpenAI. Altman's refusal to. let Musk buy them out. Wild of bad. blood. Anyway, Musk just posted. regarding Suchir he was murdered. That's. what he posted on X. According to. Forbes, Suchir's mother has indicated. that this investigation is still going. on, that she has been trying to raise. money for it, even pushing for a 3D. crime reconstruction of the apartment. And in response to Alman's interview.

with Carlson, she posted on X, quote, "This is the response for Tucker. Carlson's interview with Sam Alman. This. is what people are saying. These many. people responded immediately. How does. this sound to you all? I will make a. podcast and share very soon. This is the. reaction against Altman by the public. This response to your question, who else. believes Sam killed Such? And she lists. out a number of exposts from users. questioning Sam Alman. So, let me bring. in my own expert. We have Colin L. Schmidt, retired FBI agent, president,

CEO of Kronos Investigations. Thank you. so much for taking the time. Let me just. be clear about something and I said it. before. I'll say it again. Sam Alman, not so neither Sam Alman, nobody in Open. AI has ever been criminally charged or. investigated or prosecuted or implicated. in the death of Suchir. But honestly, when we look at this interview, I wanted. to start right there. What was your. opinion of this interview? Aside from.

the fact that it was again one of the. most awkward, tense interactions I've. seen in recent me recent memory. >> Well, I did watch the interview and it. appeared that in in typical Tucker. fashion uh manner, he was kind of doing. the uh kind of the gotcha moment and. basically put him on the defensive and. then he was very he was like, you know, he's kind of looking at Tucker like. where did this come from? So, uh, Tucker. Carlson, obviously that's his style to.

get clickbait to get people to watch his. videos. However, there is a lot of. unanswered questions, uh, surrounding. this inst this incident and frankly, there does need to be more transparency. in my opinion so the the v the family. can get some closure on what happened to. their son. Do you feel that there are. discrepancies between the private crime. scene investigation report, right, this. uh private report that was uh. commissioned by the family and the San.

Francisco medical examiner's report? Or. is it possible two things could be true. at the same time? >> Well, generally speaking, you can't. prove a negative, number one. Number. two, without seeing the vid the the. video and the photographs of the actual. scene. And you know, I don't want to. call it a crime scene because it's in. dispute on what happened there. Basically, those photographs are what. really is going to dictate, for example, a prosecution. And there's allegations.

that there was a struggle that the place. was quote unquote ransacked. Um, you. know, what does that mean? Without. looking at the actual uh photographs of. the scene, then uh it's hard to make a. conclusion on our reconcile the two. reports. Now, we reported what the Daily. Mail said about a lot of these photos, right? Blood in different locations, an. apartment in disarray, the leftover. food. Does this look like foul play or. do you go back to what Sam Alman said in.

the interview that unfortunately in. certain situations. there could be somebody who orders food. There could be a situation where uh you. know it might appear that someone was. killed when they really weren't. Um. there could be a situation, I'm just. speculating here, where if someone is. shot, it may not go exactly as that. person had intended. Um do you think. there's foul play based on what the. reporting indicates so far?

>> Well, there's quite a few unanswered. questions. So, just to to kind of there. there is an allegation the official. official uh uh report of what happened. and then what the family is saying and. then frankly Sam Alton Alman should not. have even commented on this because it's. because he could have said well it's. still up for dispute but bottom line is. if if based upon what the uh official. report said there should have been some. sort of of communication that this.

person had with the world is generally. what you're going to see uh you know the. note so to speak and then there should. have been some uh kind leadup because uh. generally people who uh do these type. things are going to show some sort of. leakage or some sort of uh actions that. indicate that they have a mindset of. what they're going to do. And then the. other thing with all the blood in all. these other places, generally speaking, if somebody actually did what they said. they did, you're going to have one spot.

where it happens and it's not going to. be all over the place. >> Is it unusual to question an official. medical examiner's office report? >> I mean, in other words, not at all. >> Do do you It happens a lot and there's a. justification to question it and. sometimes they get it wrong. Well, yeah, because if there's a rush to get the a. conclusion out and you know, uh, law. enforcement, they're full of human. beings and sometimes they make mistakes. or there was some sort of, uh, reason. why they they pushed to make the the, u.

uh, the the conclusion. And frankly, relying on Em's report, that's only one. piece of the puzzle. Uh, there's lots of. other things that go into a. investigation. It's not just the medical. examiner. It's the crime scene or the. scene photos. It's the blood alcohol. It's the interview of the people that. are around him. It's the uh. investigation of the firearm. It's uh. the uh you're looking at whether there.

the the placement of the firearm. All. kinds of things go into it. So, the Emmy. report is only one piece of the puzzle. >> Just your thoughts on this according to. the Daily Mail. So, Sushi's parents. believe he was attacked from behind. while he was listening to music. That's. why you have the earbuds, that he was. brushing his teeth when this happened, fought back, and that he was executed, that he was shot in the head while on. his knees or sitting down. Just your. thoughts on that. >> Well, once again, I I'd have to look at.

the ME report and there's uh basically. they're saying he was shot uh with on. his knees. There's going to be a. trajectory analysis. And just real. quick, they say it was a diagonal angle. The ME's report basically says it was, you know, front to back through the. forehead. >> My understanding. >> Well, and and once again, there, you. know, I think you've seen those those. poles or those red rods when they do the. the analysis because the the trajectory. is not something that you can, you know,

fake or or change. It is what it is. because the the the skull is not going. to change. So basically the trajectory. would be the probably the most important. thing to identify and and establish and. based upon the me it does it it sounds. like they're saying it would be an. appropriate trajectory but the family is. saying it was a diagonal or 45 degree. tri trajectory. And if it indeed was, then you have opens up a whole bunch of. questions because in if he indeed did.

what the Emmy report said he did, you. just simply can't do that. That's kind. of like, you know, calling it something. when somebody shoots themselves in the. back of the head, it's just not. possible. >> And I'm and I'm a little torn on. something. How difficult would it be to. murder someone and stage the scene? Because the other way of looking at it. is if this was a professional hit of. some kind, right? Why leave it in a. condition where there are questions? Why. leave it in a condition where the. apartment does appear to be ransacked. when you do have potential forensic.

material in different areas when you. have the food? Um, you know, that that. becomes a question too, right? If it if. this really was a hit, why leave it in a. condition where it may look like a hit? >> Well, allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Part of it is the concept of a. professional hit. I mean, that's only in. the movies. There really isn't that many. professional so-called hitmen out there. Um, if it truly was somebody else did. this, they are going to be stressed out.

They probably have not done this before. If they have, it's been a very few. And. they made mistakes. And that's just a. simple if it indeed was foul play. So, it really comes down to uh that the. analysis of that skull. And then that. would be where you would uh expand your. investigation. >> The Emmy report says you can only get. through the front door. Again, the. gunshot wound to the head and no forced. entry. If that is true, what does that. tell you? >> Well, I'm I'm I'm kind of perplexed.

because generally they they they don't. put uh information about the state of. the building. They only talk about the. body. So if there was indeed a a. deadbolt thrown, yes, that would in. indicate that there was nobody that. participated in this. It was just one. person, you know, the deedent. But how. do we know it was if the deadbolt was. thrown? And then if it was thrown, uh, are there pictures of law enforcement. kicking the door in and, uh, you know, blowing that deadbolt off the wall? And.

I don't know if there is. So, there's. lots of follow-up questions that has. been, frankly, created by the Tucker. Carlson interview, and I anticipate. there's going to be some more. investigation on this case. >> What role could the FBI play here? >> Well, they could be brought in for uh. one cell phone. We always talk about. cell phones, do some analysis on his. phone. Uh they whatever gaps that the. San Francisco police may have, uh they. could be coming for DNA analysis to.

assist with that. They could also be. brought in to to follow up leads, you. know, that are not in the San Francisco. area. And uh they could also be brought. in just to uh kind of consult as like. when I was on on the job, I was a. criminal profiler to give them kind of. ideas on who might have participated in. this act. >> And you hear the family talking about. maybe commissioning a 3D scan of the. apartment. What value would that serve?

I think that if they have the scene. photos, then they can add that to the 3D. and then they can kind of uh show a. picture or paint a picture for the. frankly for the media so they can get. more support from the the public to. support reopening this investigation. >> Does the timing bother you? I mentioned. it before, right? What would be the. motive for him to be killed? is the idea. that, you know, he was providing. information about the company that was. not favorable, accusing them of.

essentially serious copyright. infringement, and then shortly after, you know, he dies. Um, does that bother. you? >> Well, it is it possible? There's. possible and probable. It's not probable. that Sam Alton would get involved in. something like this. He seems to be be a. rational human being. But when you're. speaking of potentially billions and. billions and billions of dollars that. may make people do, you know, things. that are not rational. So yes, the. timing timing is is one of the big. circumstances when you look at a crime.

is what was happening around the time of. the act. So to determine if there was. motive. >> and according to the Daily Mail, uh. going back to this gun that he had. apparently purchased, uh it was found. near his body. There was a box of 9. millimeter ammunition found in the. closet. Six rounds we I'll say were. missing, although one was found in the. gun case, four were found somewhere. else, and then there was one that was. apparently unaccounted for. Uh thoughts.

on that? Well, if he did indeed purchase the gun. and he has no experience or a a a. history with owning firearms, that would. fall in line with what the official. explanation is because there's no other. reason for him to purchase that gun. But. once again, they have to look at that, investigate that to to to determine if. it was indeed him or if there's somebody. with him when he purchased the gun and. kind of uh flesh out any details of that. to determine if he indeed was the one.

that got the gun and he was the one who. basically act uh you know. >> use the firearm. >> Look, it's it's really really sad. You. have this young man who had such. promise, right? Right. I mean, he joined. OpenAI in November of 2020 after. graduating from UC Berkeley. His mom. sang at a vigil that quote, "He was a. prodigy. We knew he had excellent motor. skills when he was 2 and 1/2 months. At. 13 months old, he showed he was not. ordinary by picking up all the alphabet. Less than two years old, he could.

recognize words. This is a guy who won a. major programming competition in high. school, the platinum division of the USA. Computing Olympiad. He worked at Kora as. a software engineer. He won $100,000 in. 2018 by earning seventh place in an. algorithm competition and he excelled at. OpenAI co-founder John Schulman. He. think through the details of things. carefully and rigorously and he also had. a slight contrarian streak that made him. allergic to group think and eager to. find where the consensus was wrong. Just.

a really sad case. We'll keep an eye on. it. Colin Schmidt, thank you so much for. taking the time. Appreciate it. >> Thank you for having me. And that's all. we have for you right now here on. Sidebar. Everybody, thank you so much. for joining us. And as always, please. subscribe on YouTube, Apple Podcast, Spotify, wherever you should get your. podcast. You can follow me on X or. Instagram. I'm Jesse Weber. I'll see you. next time. [Music].