Nvidia Affair Scandal: Chinese Spy Claims ROCK World of AI

It is the spy scandal that has rocked. the news, Wall Street, and intelligence. agencies. Tech giant Jensen Wong, who. leads one of our country's most. invaluable companies in the AI space, is. accused of having an affair with a. Chinese spy. We're breaking down the. latest, what you [music] need to know. From serious national security. implications to possible criminal. charges to even [music] a potential. divorce in the tens of billions of. dollars, we got to get into everything. right now. >> [music]. >> Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law and.

Crime. I'm Jesse Weber. I owe my family and all of you an. apology. I was unfaithful to my wife. That is the letter that began a new. bombshell scandal that could have major. legal and national security. implications. That was Jensen Wong, co-founder, chief executive of Nvidia, the large computing company that. describes itself as making advanced. chips, systems, software for AI, has a.

market cap of over $4 trillion. Customers including Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Meta, Oracle, telling his. employees about an affair. Think of this. company as a behemoth in the AI race. And we come to find out this news. We. come to find out that not only is the. leader of this company having an affair. You might say, "Why do we care?" Well, the allegation is it wasn't just with. anybody. The allegation is is that it.

was somebody that apparently US. intelligence has categorized as a. Chinese spy. Now, you're going to hear. terms like honeypot, honey trap thrown. out a lot in this story. Basically, that's the idea of an asset or a spy, usually from another country or. organization, that is sent in to seduce. someone into giving up secrets and. confidential information or gain. political leverage over them, maybe even. influencing their decisions, which is. especially interesting when you consider. Nvidia. So, right there you can see the.

implications, right? the head of one of. the largest AI centered companies. allegedly having an affair with an asset. of a foreign country that we directly. compete with, especially in the AI. frontier. Do you see the complications? Do you see the concern? So, we have a. number of questions in terms of national. security, legal issues. I got to ask, are we talking criminal charges here? And on top of the fact that it has been. reported that this may be the most. expensive affair in history as there was. reportedly no prenup between Jensen Wong.

and his wife of over 40 years, Lorie. Mills. Now to be clear, we don't know if. they planning to divorce or separate. It's actually a really, really sad. situation because their families now. being put in the spotlight. They have. kids together. It's just really sad. But. also, it's raising this speculation. about what could this look like. You. have some outlets like Ticker News that. are speculating that if this goes into a. divorce and there's no prenup, it could. cost Jensen Wong $81 billion. $81.

billion. So, what I'm going to try to do is break. all this down as easily as I can, and. then I'm going to bring on a guest who. has experience in the espionage. investigations to talk a little bit more. about this, what we can expect, also. including potential criminal charges. So, Jensen Wong wrote in his letter on. Sunday to the company, quote, "My. actions hurt her and our children.". There is no excuse for what I did. I am. deeply sorry. Throughout my life, my. family has given me love and support. They deserve my honesty and loyalty. Instead, I let them down and damaged the.

life we built together. I take full. responsibility for what I did and the. hurt I caused, and I accept the. criticism that comes with it. To my wife. and family, I love you. I know an. apology cannot undo what I have done. I. hope our family will heal and that over. time I can earn back your trust. To my. colleagues at Nvidia, including those I. have worked alongside for decades and to. our board, partners and shareholders. around the world, you deserve better. from me. Leading Nvidia is the privilege. of my life. My responsibility is to.

serve you and be worthy of your trust. I. have fallen short of that. responsibility. I am fully committed to. Nvidia and will work to earn back your. confidence. Regarding the national. security concerns raised in news. reports, Nvidia's board of directors has. initiated an independent investigation. I support the investigation and will. cooperate fully. I love our country and. our company. I am committed to. protecting Nvidia and supporting. America's national security. I am proud. and grateful to be an American. My. family bears no responsibility for my.

choices. I do. Please give them privacy. Jensen, few things from that, right? Right. So, he's not stepping down. Okay. Says that he loves to be an American, that he's not some sort of, you know, in. collaboration with an alleged Chinese. spy, that it's all on him, and that he's. going to cooperate throughout this. investigation. And by the way, this is. all true. Nvidia's board of directors. did issue a statement reading, "The. Nvidia board is initiating an. independent investigation in light of. recent reporting that founder and CEO. Jensen Wong has been the target of a.

foreign intelligence effort. A committee. of independent directors assisted by. outside independent council will oversee. the investigation. The board prioritizes. US national and economic security, which. is paramount to the interest of Nvidia. and its shareholders. While the board. has no reason to believe that either. national security or Nvidia secrets were. compromised, the board's inquiry will. examine all available information. Jensen fully supports the review and is. committed to cooperating with it. The. board has confidence in Jensen and his. leadership team and will provide further.

updates as appropriate. Something else. to notice in neither of those. statements, no mention of who he had an. affair with. Okay, but that is where the. reporting comes in. That's when the. media outlets jump in. Like the New York. Times, they have identified this woman. that he had an affair with as Alice. Wong. Now, to be clear, no relation to. Jensen. This is someone who has been. photographed alongside Jensen Wong. numerous times. Here's one photo of them. reportedly attending a dinner in Taipei, Taiwan on May 22nd, 2025. Here's another.

example reportedly taken at an event. during the ComputEx Forum in Taipei, Taiwan on June 7th, 2024. You have this. photo allegedly shared by Alice herself. from her WeChat chat feed. It's a. Chinese social media platform. The. Guardian is even reporting that there is. footage of his arm around her and her. kissing him on the cheek. So, you see. photos of them together, golf resorts, dinners, events, even maybe going in the. same car together. And according to CNN,

Alice Wong was apparently a journalist. for Chinese state media and a figure in. the tech industry with the US Customs. and Border Patrol records indicating. that she is a 43-year-old Chinese. citizen by the name of Wong Lee. Now, Alice Wong was an executive of Nvidia's. reported business partner, Singapore-based Megape, that she was. there between March and November of. 2023. Mega Speed is a data center. company. They apparently sell computing. power or capacity services, usually in.

the AI space. It reportedly allowed its. customers to rent out Nvidia's chips. Megaspe, according to CNN, became one of. the largest purchasers of Nvidia chips. in Southeast Asia. According to the New. York Times, Megapeed was accused of. working to divert Nvidia's specialized. chips to China. So going around US. sanctions, their export controls. So. essentially, it's smuggling chips. That's the accusation and that's because. the United States has restricted exports.

of its most advanced chips to China due. to national security implications and. concerns. Now, Mega Speed denied. allegations of wrongdoing. Although, it. was reported by the New York Times on. November 9th that the Justice Department. is conducting a criminal investigation. into Mega Speed. However, US. intelligence believes that Alice Wong. was recruited to be a spy for China, namely by the country's Ministry of. State Security. It's their top spy. agency. The New York Post reporting that. she has been under investigation since.

the end of President Biden's term. According to the BBC, electronic. surveillance apparently revealed a. series of communications between Alice. Wong and a US citizen that has been. identified as Jensen Wong. Now, it's not. entirely clear when they met or how they. met, but as I mentioned, she has. appeared alongside him at numerous. events and occasions with CNN saying. that they've been photographed together. as early as 2024. The New York Times. reports that President Trump was briefed. about intelligence indicating that Alice.

Wong was a Chinese spy. In fact, CNN. says that sources say the FBI alerted US. lawmakers about her allegedly providing. information to China nearly a year ago. The Guardian reporting that a. shortselling firm publicly warned about. the Wong's quote uncomfortably close. relationship six months ago. Financial. Times reporting that US officials. allegedly indicated that they had been. romantically involved that this was in a. memo that was submitted earlier this. year. And right now, reporting indicates.

Alice Wong's whereabouts are unknown. We. don't know where she is. Here's. something interesting, too. The BBC. asked Nvidia if the company knew about. these concerns by US intelligence and a. spokesperson told the outlet, quote, "We. trust that if we were the target of a. genuine threat, the US government would. have notified us." Now, for its part, China denies this. Its Ministry of. Foreign Affairs spokesperson Guo Jiken. saying the so-called Chinese spy. allegation is unsubstantiated. It is.

nothing but smears against China. Now, President Trump announced that the FBI. is now looking into the Jensen Wong. scandal and earlier he said that Jensen. Wong is a quote honorable man. President. also adding quote I did speak to him. today just to see if he's feeling all. right, how you're doing. He said he had. absolutely no idea that the person in. question was a spy. Now, the reason that. this is so concerning is that if this is. true, you could potentially have an. asset of China feeding it information. about one of our top tech and AI.

companies or even allegedly potentially. influencing the decisions at Nvidia. because if you think about it and the. allegations are true, Alice Wong was. somebody in the industry. So, is it not. possible that you could have someone in. the industry having a close relationship. with Jensen Wong perhaps advising or. suggesting certain company policies. I'm. not saying that happened, but it'd be. very different from a CEO having an. affair with somebody who's not even. related to the industry, doesn't know.

anything about it, versus someone who. does have a connection. Something to. keep in mind. But to be clear, we don't. know what information was shared or. divulged, if any, or what decisions may. have been affected by Alice Wong, if. any, or in general what intelligence. China may have gathered, again, if any. But something to keep in mind here is. Jensen Wong had reportedly previously. been pushing for more lax regulations on. AI to loosen restrictions on selling. chips to China. The close relationship.

between Jensen Wong and President Trump. is well documented with the New York. Post reporting how he traveled with him. to China last May and was invited onto. Air Force One. Oh, and you remember I. mentioned Mega Speed. So according to. the New York Times, the United States. Commerce Department was looking into the. company when all of a sudden Nvidia, their general counsel sent those. Commerce Department investigators an. email about that probe and they. mentioned the investigator's supervisor.

and that is when the case was then. reportedly transferred to the Department. of Justice. So the concern of course was. was there any direct or indirect or. intentional or unintentional. interference in the investigation though. that hasn't been proven thus far just to. be clear. But what happened as a result. of this whole Jensen Wong scandal this. news? Well, aside from the announcement. that the FBI is investigating this. matter, a shareholder lawsuit was filed.

accuses Nvidia of misleading its. investors, not disclosing possible. national security issues associated with. this affair. Nvidia, by the way, took a. massive hit on Wall Street, too. Wiped. out approximately $190 billion in market. valuation. Republican chairman of three. House committees have now demanded. Jensen Wong appear before them on. November 18th for a closed door meeting. regarding this whole affair. And then a. big question also is this is long crime. Did anything potentially criminal happen.

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I tried to emphasize it, but as somebody. who has experience in this kind of. arena, maybe not specifically with this. fact pattern, this is a big deal, right? Like this is really really concerning. from a national security perspective, right? >> Yeah, absolutely. I mean there's um. there's a lot of there's a lot of moving. parts here for sure, but what I would. say at the very beginning is you sort of. have we'll call it more classic. espionage types of charges that might be.

pursued. I think frankly based on what I. know right now there they could be. fairly weak if we were talking about um. Jensen Wong. um though there there may. be charges for um his paramore and and. th those sorts of uh charges are are. very serious. I mean if we're talking. about gathering information that's. national defense information. uh and delivering it to a foreign uh.

government sort of classic espionage. that carries up to life imprisonment. So. very significant consequences. There's a. lot of different sort of consequences if. we're talking about es e economic. espionage, theft of trade secrets, those. sorts of things. But those carry, you. know, significant prison sentences as. well. And so, yes, that I would say just. based on the potential penalties that. we're talking about, it could be very. significant. >> Let's break this down. So, if we talk.

about Jensen Wong, and to be clear, there is no evidence to suggest that he. uh committed a crime or that he's. necessarily being investigated uh of. committing a crime. Obviously, the FBI. is now, the president announced that the. FBI is looking into this, but I did a. quick, you know, research on this and I. was looking at potential areas that may. be explored from the espionage act to. unauthorized disclosures to conspiracy. to false statements to even violations. of US export control uh restrictions,

right? If you're selling chips to China. Now, it seems to me that at this point, if for example, he had absolutely no. idea that Alice Wong was a Chinese spy, if she is a Chinese spy, we don't know. But if that's the case, if that's the. fact pattern that we're he absolutely no. idea, does that mean that there is no. way he could face any kind of criminal. charges? >> So, it's interesting. I I think so. Not.

I generally speaking the answer is going. to be no. Um the the question I think. where I would sort of try to caveat it a. little bit is to say there's so there's. two types in the traditional espionage. sense. There's a charge under 18 title. 18 United States code 793. which is gathering transmitting uh. losing defense information. So that's a. very specific, you know, national. defense information. And what that means.

is effectively you possess uh national. defense information and then you share. it with somebody who shouldn't have it. When you talk about a title 18 United. States code 794, there's an added aspect of sharing it. with a foreign government. Right? So. you're transmitting that national. defense information to a foreign. government with re intent or reason to. believe that it's going to get to that. it's going to injure the US in some way. or or help that foreign nation. And so.

the intent threshold, right, this idea. in the 794, the classic espionage. context that you have to prove that they. specifically intended to injure the. United States. I think based on what we. know right now that's going to be uh. really hard. Um you know being to prove. as to Jensen Wong, right? He being a. target of a foreign intelligence. operation makes him effectively the. victim, not the defendant in the case.

Um the real sort of you know criminal. risk I think is is frankly more. downstream which is if he's asked to. testify before Congress or he's asked to. provide information and he gives false. statements about it right there's. >> which again he's expected to testify. >> right I mean look if you look back at. the the arsenal of potential charges. that uh investigators and prosecutors. use to bring foreign.

counter intelligence types of cases. Uh. a thousand1 title 18 United States Code. 10001 is making a false statement and. that and that's material to an. investigation. You saw Robert Mueller. use it in in his investigations. Um you. know, George Papanopoulos was was. famously convicted of making a false. statement as well as um you know, Flynn. was also convicted. I know he ended up. withdrawing his guilty plea and was.

pardoned. But ultimately the charges. that were brought against those two. included making false statements and you. know potential uh there also potential. obstruction of justice or perjury. charges. That might be where he might. you know h have some difficulty if he. does uh you know if he if he yeah has. you know comes before Congress. >> But but but what's interesting about. that is he already he's like I had an. affair. I had an affair. Right. I mean, like, it makes me a question. There's no. indication that he wouldn't be honest uh.

with Congress and he said he's going to. cooperate in the internal investigation. I think it does become a question, what. information did he share with the person. that he had an affair with? And see, that's the the interesting legal part, right? So, he's not working for a vacuum. company, okay? He he's part of this AI. company that is. quite involved with the US government as. we're uh you know in this race this AI. race with China and I have to imagine he.

was privy I could be wrong but he had to. have been privy to certain national. security information and if he shared. that with someone who is outside the. company is that. potentially place him in jeopardy like. to the extent where I know this is going. to be a closed session in Congress. I. imagine he's going to be accompanied by. a personal lawyer, >> right? So, there's a lot going on there. Let me let me see if I can break break. it down first. So, when it comes to and.

this goes into sort of the other part of. potential exposure, which is export. controls, right? And there there might. be a little bit more teeth there, though. Again, I'm not really sure it's. going to be uh at directed at at Mr. you. know, Jensen Wong or Nvidia necessarily, but you know, advanced AI accelerators. are controlled by various regulations. within the government. And in order to. prove a criminal violation for violation. of export controls, you need um you.

know, willfulness, you need intent. And. and so what I think the wrinkle is here. is when you're talking about evading. export controls, we're talking about. cloud computing, we're talking about. some of the sort of GPUs and the the. sort of chips that we're talking about. It's not entirely clear how he would. have been evading that by providing. remote access to this, you know, Chinese.

uh or or well, he thought it was a. Singapore entity and I think it was. called Megaste, right? So, mega he, you. know, he he deals with a Singapore. entity and then it ends up going to. China. Um, he would not ne necessarily. need to know that. Um, now where this. becomes tricky, I think, and and I I. want to answer your question is it's. really evidentiary, right? Look, listen, listen to this story. He's having an. affair with this woman who's allegedly a.

Chinese spy and she they're at his house. and he goes to take a shower and while. he's in the shower he inadvertently. leaves open his laptop or some or or he. maybe he typed his password in right in. front of her and she saw it. She while. he's in the shower he has no idea about. any of this. She types in his password. and, you know, downloads a whole bunch. of of items from his computer. Well, guess, okay. And then he never, you. know, downloads it. She's she she takes.

it and shares it with China. The problem. is, well, the FBI comes knocking and. then they see that he's downloaded all. of this information. He doesn't they. don't nec they probably won't see that. he was in the shower at the time or. that, you know, who actually was on the. computer. It might have been logged in. under his name. And so then you get into. this evidentiary question where he's. going to be asked potentially some very. uncomfortable questions and he could be. innocent and and he might have he might. have been in the shower or he might have.

been conspiring with her or or you know. and so when it comes down to what's the. evidence and the forensics of the um of. what what the computer data might show. that's where there might be some very. difficult questions for him. >> Okay, let me ask you this. We don't know. where Alice Wong is. I would imagine. authorities would like to speak to her, right? So, if they speak if they if they. find I don't know. I don't know where. she is. Okay. >> Yeah. >> What could she be facing? Like what.

potential could she be facing uh. criminal charges? Um how much would they. able be able to determine whether or not. she's actually an asset of the Chinese. government? What evidence would there be. of that? Um, I mean, if you're trying to. go after someone as being a spy, I'd. imagine they would take certain efforts. to conceal any association with a spy. agency. I I it's very very different. But you tell me what do you think is. happening there? >> Right. Right. So, um I I believe I read.

in fact that you know they that China. has come out and said this this person. is never a you know is not a spy. Okay. Big surprise, right? like that the in. when we're talking about foreign. espionage that they don't actually have. situations where where they're coming. out and saying it out front. I guess I. would say look if if she was able to. get, you know, a trade secret, whether. we call any information that she might.

have uh obtained, you know, by social. engineering or or by having a. relationship with him, she could, you. know, those two charges that I talked. about, 793 and 794, those could be uh. potentially viable. There's also a. charge under title 18I United States. Code 951. which is basically reg you know you're. required to register as a foreign agent. when you're working for another another. country and so that that's a potentially.

viable um a charge against her. There. also might be a charge against her under. the economic espionact espionage act. under title 18 United States states code. 1831 which basically is a handoff of a. trade secret to benefit a foreign. government. Now, those all, you know, if. she's taking something that's a trade. secret of Nvidia or or potentially a. national defense information, I think.

that the the definition of national. defense information is going to be a. difficult one to prove for some of the. chips and and some, you know, it's a. very restrictive definition that that. can be made for national defense. information, but in any case, uh she. might be on the hook for that. Um, and. then when we're talking about if she was. tr knowingly trying to evade some of. these export controls and she knew, you. know, that that she was getting. something from the US and then and then.

sending it on to China, that might be a. potential hook for her as well. So, and. then apart from that, any kind of false. statements and so forth. What I would. say is that if she is uh in China, you. know, there's pretty unsurprisingly uh a. tense relationship at times. diplomatically. And so there really. isn't extradition. um you know back and forth a whole lot. sometimes. Uh so you know if she's in.

China right now um I think the chances. of authorities getting a chance to speak. to her is pretty slim. uh at this point. >> I think FAR is so interesting right the. uh foreign agents registration act if. you're acting on behalf of a foreign. government and you didn't register. >> so very applicable and and just to go. back to what one thing you were asking. about like how do you prove this when. China is not going to come back and say. that I mean ultimately it's about. different pieces of evidence who she was.

communicating with hope you know. hopefully they would have emails or. other correspondents that you know. show a a connection to that to people in. in the the foreign government. And. that's effectively once you can show. some communications, whether it's chats. or or different uh forms of social media. or other communications. That's what's. going to help build your case um to. prove that that person's actually a spy. even though China unsurprisingly didn't. didn't come out and confirm that they.

they sent a spy to the US to have an. affair with uh with him. I I mentioned. this to you before we came on. This. shareholder lawsuit that was filed um. you know they say that the investors. were misled. I'll read you just a. portion of what the lawsuit says as a. result of defendants wrongful acts and. omissions and the precipitous decline in. the market value of the company's. securities because we know what happened. as soon as this news broke. Planiff and. other class members have suffered. significant losses and damages. Now, I.

think it was expected that we were going. to see this form of litigation on the. heels of this because again, look, the. company's going to have to also do. they're doing their own internal. investigation. There's a question about. whether or not Jensen Wong is going to. stay on board and what does that mean. for the value of the company. I read. that Nvidia would be worth nearly 30%. less if he's no longer at the head of. the company. You tell me what we should. expect. I know this is not your you.

don't specialize in this, but a. shareholder lawsuit like this is is. quite significant, >> right? And and and from what I. understand, the the hook on that is is. slightly different than some of the. national security concerns we were. talking about. My understanding of that. was that really the it's about. disclosure. It's about what was. disclosed publicly. And from my. understanding, Nvidia told I I think it. was the Hill originally that there were. the relationship between, you know,

Hang, Miss Hang and Jensen Huang was. quote not unusual or unexpected. Um, a. company that speaks is required to speak. accurately. And so I think the. allegation is at least that, you know, because the the company knew through its. CEO that he was having an affair that. that was um an inaccurate statement that. wasn't properly disclosed to the to to.

the shareholders. Now the the defense of. course is look, the affair wasn't. material. That wasn't a material. statement uh causation. Look, that. statement doesn't necessarily cause um. you know all all of the shareholder. losses etc. So there's a lot to be um. worked out and and in those allegations, but the endgame of course is that there. could be lots of years of litigation. There's going to be probably a hu. settlement at some point in time.

depending on the and I'm sure Nvidia. will will challenge the the allegations. Um but yeah, I mean what it comes down. to is the CEO's knowledge is generally. imputed to the company and when the. company says that that relationship was. not unusual or unexpected or you know. there effectively representing that. there's nothing nothing weird about that. relationship and then a few days later. he comes out and says well I had an. affair with her but you know.

it's a. >> he said he had an affair. He didn't name. her by name, but people are, you know, the reports. >> Exly. Exactly. He didn't even name her. by name. Yeah. >> Which which I thought was interesting, which I thought was significant, right? I mean, >> I don't think I I'm not surprised that. he didn't mention her. Um, specifically, do I mean, this is kind of Do you do you. think How do these internal. investigations work at a company like. this? And do you think he's actually. going to stay on? Well, look, we're. talking about him, you know, a founder, a person who's been there for for, you.

know, knows the company in and out. Um, look, the the investigations usually. work with like this. There's a lot of. interviews with people. They collect. people's emails. There's obviously going. to be scrutiny from Congress and other. entities. They're going to try and uh un. make sure they get their story straight. and then you know understand exactly. what happened and then they're going to. um you know present present that to. investigators to to Congress and.

hopefully it's a coherent you know. singular sort of story on behalf of the. company and so to the extent that. they're going to try and limit their. liability both in the shareholder. lawsuit as well as potentially any. corporate liability you know criminal. liability I don't really see that here. for Nvidia, but um you know those are. those there's a lot of documents, a lot. of interviews with people and then it. it'll hope you know hopefully they'll. develop a coherent sense in a few.

months. >> And what do you think the feds are. doing? What do you think the FBI is. doing? >> Well, I think at this point they're. probably. doing search warrants on Mr. Wang and. Miss, you know, any email accounts, social media, you know, they're they're. going to be searching her his personal. things as well as potentially mo more. likely hers. It sounds like they, you. know, to to the extent that I saw there. were concerns from the Secretary of.

State and and internally for for several. months, they're probably aware of some. contact between her. And so then there's. an internal process about, okay, well, how much can we disclose? Like, you. know, there there might be top top. secret or or classified information that. they need to work out about what they're. prepared to disclose in in an. investigation like this. um about you. know what they know about her but you. know they're collecting evidence from. from various sources probably.

interviewing people that had contact. with with Miss Wong you know. understanding their relationship could. was there any sense that he was you know. intending to you the big question here. is what did he know and so if he knew. that she what she was or um then that's. going to be a big problem for him of. course so they're going to probably want. to want to feel comfortable that you you. know, based on what we know right now, he doesn't know. And so they to rule him. out, they're going to probably want more.

evidence there. >> Before I let you go, I know this is not. your area of expertise. $81 billion. divorce. Is that possible? >> Uh that I think that would probably be. one of the most expensive divorces uh of. all time if I'm if I'm not mistaken. Followed closely by probably Jeff Bezos. uh a few years ago. But yeah, that's I. don't think they from what I read, I. don't think they had a prenup, which um. in retrospect might have been uh you. know, yeah, but that does seem like. quite a hefty divorce if that's the way.

>> Yeah. Look, and it's really sad. I mean, it's just sad from first of all, her. name, you know, his wife is being put. all through the tabloids. It's really. really horri horrifying. It's really. embarrassing. I feel bad for the kids. Um but and I don't know if there's, you. know, there's going to be a divorce. I. don't know if there's going to be a. separate I don't know, but obviously. people immediately thought if there's no. prenup and you look at his net worth and. you look at the value as in the company, that's a price tag you might be looking. at. Um, yeah, just another component to.

this. But listen, I I really appreciate. you, you know, explaining this to us. China, you know, certain things that we. should be looking out for. We know the. story is not going anywhere. Hopefully, we can stay uh on top of it. But. Alexander Wentworth Ping, thank you for. taking the time. >> Thank you so much. Been a pleasure. It's. all we have for you right now here on. Sidebar. Everybody, thank you so much. for joining us. I'm Jesse Weber. Speak. to you next time.