Nolan Wells Island Death Mystery Deepens

From claims of Nolan Wells attending a. pool party to reports of a fight, [music]. there is a lot of back and forth about. the final moments of this teen football. player who died over the July 4th. weekend. We are sorting through the. latest developments and what to focus on. with a retired detective. [music]. Welcome to Sidebar presented by Law &. Crime. I'm Jesse Weber. Okay, so we have these new details. [music]. about the tragic death of 18-year-old. Southwest Mississippi Community College.

football player Nolan Wells, a graduate. of Ocean Springs High. Disappeared while. boating with friends on Horn Island. It's right off the coast of Mississippi. This was during the July 4th weekend. And by the way, this is an island where. there's limited access. You got to have. a boat. It's a wilderness area. There's. no commercial development. And that says. something. That says something about the. investigation and what might have. happened here. But we know the tragedy. of this case. We know that Nolan's body. was found that Monday on the island. washed ashore. His family is demanding.

transparency. They are demanding a full. investigation into what happened. They. have retained civil rights attorney Ben. Crump. They have ordered an independent. investigation and an independent. autopsy. In fact, Ben Crump told ABC. News Live last week that Nolan's body. would be flown to Washington, D.C. for. an independent autopsy. And by the way, this follows Jackson County Coroner. Bruce Lunn Jr.'s announcement that an. autopsy is being conducted by the state. ME office, but the results are pending. because of toxicology test findings that. could take several weeks. But.

authorities reportedly believe that this. was an accident, that this was a case of. drowning, that there were no signs of. foul play at this point even though. they're continuing the investigation. But there are questions. For instance, according to CNN, Nolan didn't return to. the dock with his friends that day, and. his family didn't understand why he. would separate from them. That he was. supposed to take a different boat back, but didn't. Nolan apparently didn't have. a cell phone with him. There were. reports of of alleged altercation that. day. According to the sheriff, one of. Nolan's friends contacted the Coast.

Guard on the night of July 4th at around. 11:00 p.m. Nolan's mom called the. sheriff's office midday leading into. July 5th. The family has concerns about. why Nolan just stayed without friends. His mother saying to GMA, "That we. cannot answer. I just I can't I can't. fathom why he would." His father saying, "We always told him if you go with a. group, you stay with a group." In fact, Sheriff John Ledbetter previously. indicated that Nolan may have stayed on. the island rather than heading back to. the mainland. But even Nolan's friend,

Jevon Williams, told CNN, quote, "I've. never known Nolan to stay back while his. friends leave. He's always been a guy. where if he rode with you, he's going to. come back with you. That's always how. he's been every single time." There's. also this. Nolan's mother told GMA that. they tracked Nolan's phone using the. Life360 app, and they found that that. his phone was with his friends, and she. claims that it's possible some of the. text messages were deleted. So, a lot is. going on, and as this is going on, we. have new developments. There is some.

back and forth we need to talk about. Apparently, there is a video that is. circulated online showing what appears. to be an argument that day, and some. believe that it involves Nolan. This is. something Ben Crump discussed in a press. conference last week as one of the. contradictions or conflicts in this. case. >> And then the fact, Reverend Al, that. they have. this video. of an argument.

that is going on. And and you know, thank God all young people they have. cell phones, and anytime you hear people. raising their voice, they start the. video. And so, you hear on the video. Nolan saying, "Give me my freaking. phone. What are you freaking doing? And that becomes even more relevant when. you think about the.

story that they are presenting that. Nolan chose. to stay behind. That's what they're. saying. The glaring contradictions. are just jump out at you. The fact that. he is there with his friends and you. look at all the videos, it seems to be he's the only. black. on the island or maybe one other, but. not many. And so.

um Jared, you have where. a young woman he was talking to says. that well, Nolan said he was going back to get on. the boat with the boys. The boys say that Nolan told them he was. going to stay. and talk to the young woman.

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that's not the case. That there was no. altercation that involved Nolan. He even. claimed that Nolan isn't even in the. video. Quote, "That's me yelling. There. was no talk about a phone in that video. Nolan wasn't on the island." And. Shepherd said it was a fight with a. stranger. Shepherd said that Nolan. stayed behind after the boat had to. return to shore because of an electrical. issue, that Nolan had met a girl. This. is something we've heard before, that he. met a girl and he stayed behind. And. Shepherd claimed that he would come back. on a different friend's boat. He also.

countered this narrative that Nolan was. at a pool party early in the morning of. July 5th. There was this photo that had. been circulating as well. So, in other. words, the idea would have been, right, that Nolan left the boat, made it to the. mainland, went to this party, and ended. up dead. Now, Crump, Ben Crump even. apparently shared a photo, again, of. what people believed to be Nolan at this. pool party. Now, according to TMZ, Crump. reportedly posted this photo to social. media with the caption, "Now, listen, I.

don't know if these are facts or rumors. because no official statements have been. confirmed. We sometimes have to follow. all clues until the truth is found.". But, Shepherd once again pushed back, said that that photo was actually from a. party on June 27th in Pass Christian, Mississippi. So, not the weekend in. question. What about Nolan's phone, right? A lot of questions about Nolan's. phone. So, while attorney Ben Crump told. GMA that it was suspicious that Nolan. didn't have his phone with him and that. his friends had it or his friend had it,

Shepard says, "Look, it's not unusual. for people to leave their phones in. boats." Shepard's uncle, who was. apparently driving one of the boats that. day, confirmed that too. Shepard said, "All our friends are out. there. Who are we communicating with? And we're in salt water. We're not in. fresh water." When Nolan got in the. water, he put his phone on the boat dash. along with probably 15 other phones. By. the way, Jackson County Sheriff John. Ledbetter told ABC News that Ben Crump. has not yet turned over Wells' phone to.

his investigators. Now, that's the. latest reporting at the time of this. broadcast. I don't know if that's. changed. We'll see. But, according to ABC News, Shepard. claims that investigators have spoken to. him and his friends. He emphasized that. they have a diverse friend group. He's. pushing back on the narrative that race. has something to do with what happened. to Nolan Wells. He indicated that he and. his friend group, they have been. receiving death threats since Nolan was. found, that he wanted to speak out to. clear up any misinformation or rumors. out there stating that neither he nor.

his friend group had anything to do with. Nolan's death. Again, that he rejects. the idea of race being a part of this. saying, quote, "They're trying to spin a. narrative that's not there." He's wrong. I understand Nolan's parents are. grieving and I really think he's taking. a little bit of advantage of that and I. don't like that. I really don't because. they're vulnerable. And Shepard asked. for everybody just to relax and let. everybody mourn the loss of Nolan and. let us remember him as the sweet guy he. was and not something we're scared of. because of the trauma we've had. If Ben. Crump is doing his own investigation,

let him do it. And then let the. sheriff's office conclude their. investigation and figure out the facts. on their end. Let us all just know the. truth instead of jumping to two. conclusions about things. We did no. wrong here and we don't understand how. we're getting so much hate behind us. We. all cared and loved Nolan and nobody. wanted to see Nolan die. Nobody wanted. to see his life be taken so short. I. just know I lost my best friend. Wells. was just somebody that you automatically. just felt so comfortable to talk to.

Nobody would ever hurt Nolan in our. friend group. We would die for him. We. would do everything in our power for. that guy. If he needed anything, we. would do it. Nolan brought us all. together. And Shepherd separately told. Rolling Stone in an interview that was. published on Sunday, quote, "I'm tired. of speculation, of not being able to. talk. It's time for somebody to start. speaking up. I'm not just hurting. because of Nolan, I'm also hurting. because I call my friends and you can. hear it in their voice that they're. terrified of what these people will do. to them. It's gone completely way too.

far." Back to Jackson County Sheriff. John Ledbetter, he said this week, quote, "Nolan Wells' family deserves a. thorough and factual investigation and. that's exactly what they're going to. get. I think it is important that we do. not put ourselves on a timetable and we. do not rush ourselves, but I also think. it is important to be diligent in. gathering all of the facts." And he has. been encouraging the public's help for. any information, unedited photos, videos. from that weekend, adding, "Even if you.

may think that it might be. insignificant, every little bit helps. and that may be a bigger contribution. than you think to this case." This is. what he told ABC News. I got to talk. about this now. Okay, let me bring in. Matt Irvine, retired detective, law. enforcement instructor. I'm always happy. to have Matt. I was really excited to. have you on to talk about this. We. haven't talked about it yet. In fact, right before we came on, right before we. hit record, you and I were talking about. what uh Sheriff Ledbetter had said about. not rushing this investigation and you. were just you were going into it. I was.

like, "Wait, save it. Save it for. camera. Why do you think that let's. start there. Why do you think it's so. important for this statement to come out. for the sheriff to say we don't want to. rush ourselves, but at the same time. understanding you know, the family, the. public, everybody wants answers. >> First of all, yeah, thank you Jesse for. letting me come on and discuss this case. with you in this really tragic. situation. Uh. I think the sheriff's statement is. entirely appropriate. It's measured. It's uh it's true to the way. investigations roll out, which is that. they take time. I think part of the.

problem with this case, and we talked. about this some months back with the. David Burke case, is people are. conditioned more than they see on TV, what they see in the movies to think. that investigations happen very quickly. You know, CSI results come back. immediately. Uh and uh that's just not. the case. So, toxicology, CSI, forensics, autopsies, investigations can. take weeks, months, sometimes even. years. And that's not what people are. conditioned to see. And and you know, for families that have lost a loved one, any delay.

feels wrong. And so, I think it's very. important that the sheriff comes out and. sort of tries to manage expectations, especially because unfortunately, I. think an early statement from the. [clears throat] sheriff's office. something along the lines of we don't. see uh any foul play here. We don't. suspect foul play. That's a premature. statement. Uh and I think that. unfortunately um suggested to some. people that they were rushing to. judgment. So, I think. >> Why do you think they said that? Why do. you think.

>> Was there nothing outwardly to suggest. there was foul play? And I wonder if. they said that to try to calm. some of the, you know, the the emotions. that people had, but was there something. on the outside that they could. immediately determine there was no foul. play? I mean, why make that statement. unless they probably saw something? >> Well, you're exactly right. And I think. it's just a question of wording. If they. had said, we don't see any obvious signs. of foul play, but we are going to. conduct a thorough investigation, I. think people would have received that. statement better. I think the way it was.

worded would have been better. Right. And I think really what that. means is there's nothing obvious. There's nothing clearly that indicates. foul play. I think unfortunately people. interpreted that as that they had. already kind of reached a conclusion. prematurely. >> What do you make of these different. narratives? Right? So you have the. questions being raised by Ben Crump. And. then you have this friend who came out, Nolan Wells' friend who came out. And. said this information about there being.

a fight. This idea of him being at a. pool party. It's from the wrong day. To see this conflicting. accounts, almost conflicting accounts, right? What do you make of that? >> Well, there's a couple of things seem to. be going on here. One, there has been a. lot of speculation and a lot of. misinformation in this case. Sounds like. from what we're hearing that image from. the pool party, even though it didn't. come out till the weekend of July 4th, was actually taken a week or so earlier. There's some question with that.

recording about who is arguing with who. about wanting their phone back. The. friend said it's him and not Nolan. Wells. So there is just a lot of. speculation and misinformation out. there. And then, you know, as to the. statements from the people on the. island, you'd really need to dig down to. see exactly what they said. Sounds like. the friends told law enforcement that. Nolan Wells wanted to stay behind to. talk with some young woman. Sounds like. the young woman said he left her to go. back to get on the boat with his. friends. That's not necessarily a. conflicting statement. Like both things.

could be true. If she didn't actually. see him get on the boat, that doesn't. necessarily mean that he made it back. there. And something might have happened. along the way. So you'd really have to. look at the exact words that folks used. in describing what they thought. happened. And it's not unusual in a case. like this for different people to have. different perspectives and for those to. appear to be in conflict. >> You have to imagine that when this. friend, Mr. Shepherd, comes out and. makes these statements, there are those, and remember he said he's getting death. threats, right? That he and his friends.

are getting death threats. You have to. imagine people are going to be like, "Ah, is he telling the truth? Is he. credible?". I have to imagine law enforcement has. backed up his story or have spoken with. him and investigated him, and I don't. imagine he would have come forward and. done these multiple interviews unless he. feels he's telling the truth, unless he. has evidence to back it up. I mean, otherwise a lot of people would just. remain silent. I find it interesting. that he has done interviews with GMA and. Rolling Stone and has, you know, tried. to clear what he says is misinformation.

out there and clear his name, and. obviously he he talks about receiving. these threats, but um. I think that's significant, right? I. mean, how much does that weigh in terms. of his credibility? >> I think it says a lot about his. credibility and his intentions that he. would put himself out there. Uh he was. not initially named in any of the public. statements, so he's choosing to be named. and choosing potentially to open himself. up to the kind of threats that some of. these other young people have received. Uh uh. very important that everybody. involved in this uh this visit to the.

island be interviewed, that they be. interviewed separately, and that that. the police are appropriately mum about. what they're hearing from different. people because if in fact something. nefarious happened, you don't want to. give people an opportunity to kind of. coordinate their statements, and uh if. it's an innocent situation, you don't. want to be leaking information about. what other people are saying because. there's just a natural tendency to have. statements get contaminated when people. hear what other people had to say, and. they'll sometimes conform their.

statements and their recollection to. kind of fit the the narrative that's out. there. Not again out of any nefarious. reason, but just because that's kind of. how memory works. >> You have to imagine police are looking. at that video of this argument, right? I. mean, what do you think they're doing. with that video? >> I imagine they're looking at it uh very. carefully. Imagine they're doing. everything they can, uh, both visually. and in terms of audio to enhance it and. determine who's talking. And I imagine. that that is just a very small slice of. the, uh, the electronic evidence that. they're looking at in this case. I mean,

if you have a bunch of young people. taking a, uh, a trip to an island, I. imagine everybody's got phones, everybody's recording and, uh, uploading. things to social media. And even if Mr. Wells's, uh, social media account was. apparently quiet during at least some of. this time, some of that interaction has. got to have been captured by other. people. That's just sort of how young. people, uh, socialize. Everything gets. put online. >> You've seen the back and forth also with. the phone, right? Like, how could he not. have his phone? Why would he leave his. phone back behind? But you heard.

[clears throat] Shepherd. and Shepherd's uncle basically say, "It's not uncommon for people on a boat. to leave their phone behind." What do. you make of that? >> That makes sense. I mean, you're right. Normally, young people have their phones. with them and on all the time, but I. think getting in water would be an. exception. Uh, you're not going to, uh, get in the water with your phone in your. pocket. So, the idea that he would leave. it behind with somebody or on a boat if. he's going to be getting wet makes a lot. of sense. >> Now, I have to tell you, people are. looking at this and saying there are.

strange aspects to it. I mean, even his. family says he knows better than just to. stay behind, right? And not go back with. his friends. His family has said he. didn't have his phone, perhaps messages. were deleted. What are potential red. flags you see in this? Does it strike. you as unusual that the family would. want outside counsel to take a look at. this, to investigate? Are there aspects. to it where you say, "You know what, this might not be so straightforward." I. know you're not part of the. investigation, but based on the. reporting so far, what what kind of questions would you. have? What what what what's giving you a.

hesitation, a reservation, if anything? >> Well, the fact that he was separated. from his phone for a period of time is. concerning. Again, it's not necessarily. evidence that anything, uh, nefarious. happened, but it it's a legitimate. question. Why was he not with his phone? Why was he not posting things on social. media? Why are these conflicting. statements about uh how he intended to. get off the island and with whom? Uh. those are all legitimate questions. I. think it's also fair to say that a lot. of people don't trust the police. And I.

think for a lot of people of color, and. particularly people in the South, that's not an unreasonable concern. Uh. historically, my profession, my former. profession, has not always behaved in a. way that's worthy of the trust of. everybody in the communities that we're. supposed to serve and protect. So, the idea that the parents would be. suspicious, would be concerned that the. local authorities might not do uh a. great job, I think that's that's fair. And again, I'm not casting any. aspersions on the Jackson County. Sheriff's Office. I'm just saying that's. a legitimate human uh impulse. And.

again, for anybody that's lost a loved. one, you want answers. And anything. other than absolute clarity delivered. quickly just feels wrong. >> According to uh USA Today, just to. expand [clears throat] upon this, uh. Crump said that the family is conducting. its own investigation because of {quote}. distrust of the Mississippi law. enforcement officials. Crump said the. young woman says that he went and got. back on the boat with the boys. The boys. say no, he said he was going to stay. with her. That's a conflict. So, you're.

getting the sense of why they're. conducting their own independent. investigation, their own independent. autopsy. How does that affect the. official investigation? How does a. parallel private independent. investigation conducted by the family. through an attorney with an independent. autopsy, how does that affect the. official investigation? >> Well, that's an excellent question, and. it really depends on the the integrity. and the quality of persons involved in. the independent investigation. I mean, uh Benjamin Crump is a very eminent uh.

and well-known civil rights lawyer. I. imagine that he and the family have. retained people of the highest caliber. to conduct the. the second autopsy and any additional. investigation. So, hopefully, it will be something that. brings out the best in both aspects of. the investigation and it goes a step. further in uncovering the truth. Um. it's not unusual to have more than one. autopsy in a case and it's not unusual. for medical professionals to disagree.

and it more than it be unusual for. scientists or other. professionals to disagree about how to. interpret facts in the case. >> Crump said that the family's going to be. hiring these experts to determine. whether anything had actually been. deleted from Nolan's phone. Questioned why, again, you would remain. on the island without it. What kind of. experts are those? What. is that information? I mean, I imagine. law enforcement's looking at as well. Although, as we reported, at least at.

the time of this broadcast, it doesn't. appear that Crump has turned over the. phone. to law enforcement. If that's true, I. find that interesting, right? And I'm. also curious about how you actually do. an analysis of the phone. >> So, there are experts and there are. programs that are designed to extract. data from cell phones. There's a couple. of. programs that are used to recover data, including data that people think is. deleted. So, there's a lot that you can. get from a cell phone. Some of it that.

is dependent upon the phone itself, how. data is stored, the choices you make, for example, with an application like. Snapchat, whether things are retained or. deleted. But, there are people who do. nothing but cell phone forensics and. forensic examination of electronic. devices and they're very good at it and. they're very good at recovering things. that people think that they got rid of. In addition to whatever's on the device. itself, there may be additional. information on the servers of social. media companies and providers of. telecommunication services. So, there's.

a lot of information to be gleaned. there, both from Mr. Wells' phone and. from the devices of other people that. were there on the island at the time. >> Now, I mentioned the family's arranging. for this forensic pathologist in. Washington, D.C. to conduct the second. private independent forensic autopsy. Crump had added, "If he's drowning, nobody sees him drown, nobody offers. assistance, nobody tries to help." I. thought that was an interesting comment, too, right? I mean, that's a point. That's a good point to make. How did How did he just drown and no one. sees him?

>> Mr. Crump is asking very legitimate. questions about apparent discrepancies. between the different accounts, about. why Mr. Wells was separated from his. phone, and this question of drowning is. interesting, especially because Mr. Wells Mr. Wells, excuse me, was. apparently a very strong swimmer. But, drowning doesn't always look like this. desperate thrashing around that we might. be used to from, you know, from the. media. Drowning is often silent. It. doesn't necessarily look like somebody's. in distress, and even a very strong.

swimmer can be overcome by um. currents and by things in the water that. might impair their ability to swim. >> One of the things that Crump also. mentioned was or questioned was when. Nolan's body was found, right? According. to the New York Post, Crump said, "His. body should have been there on July 5th. Why would it not appear until July 6th? If he stayed back on the island, there. were boats there. There were people. It's just not adding up." What do you. think? >> Again, Mr. Crump is raising legitimate. questions, but for every one of these.

questions, there are both sort of. innocent and more nefarious answers. If. somebody drowns, it's not uncommon for. their body to remain. out at sea or in a body of water for. days or even longer before it's. discovered, depending on. currents and and where the the drowning. happens. >> The sheriff had asked for and is still. asking for the public's help, right? Asking specifically for original. unedited photos and videos that were. taken on the northwest tip of Horn.

Island on July 4th, 2026, particularly. those depicting alleged altercations or. containing images of or believed to. include Nolan Wells. That's actually a. quote. Original media often contains. critical details that may be essential. to the ongoing investigation. And look, the sheriff has encouraged anybody, even. if you think it's small, even if you. think it's insignificant, turn it over. because you may not know the value of. it. So again, why do you think the. sheriff wants this? What what are they. going to do with this information? How. do they analyze it? How do they process. it? How does it fit into the overall.

investigation? >> Well, it's a very legitimate ask by the. sheriff's office and uh it it's going to. probably take them a while to go through. all the potential sources of electronic. evidence in this case. I would expect. that there were many people present on. this island besides uh Nolan Wells and. his friends uh who might have captured. some part of some interaction. And uh if. they're going to be parsing through, you. know, a day's worth of uh. film from multiple people uh. and probably in many cases having to.

slow things down, enhance things to try. to figure out what they're really. looking at. Uh that's something that's. going to take a while, but it's an. absolutely uh essential uh source of uh. information in this case. >> Matt, what are you going to be looking. out for next? In other words, when do. you think we're going to be getting. information? When do you think we'll get. some. update either from law enforcement, um. you know, I also wonder if it's. difficult to predict when we get some. more information uh from uh you know, this independent investigation from from.

Ben Crump. I mean, I imagine if they get. the independent autopsy results, would. they share that immediately? What should. we be looking out for next? >> Well, I would expect that the forensic. examination of phones and other uh. electronic media is likely to take. weeks, could even take months depending. on the the amount of data involved. And. then it also has to do with the, you. know, the amount of personnel that are. available to review all that data. Uh. that could be in itself very. time-consuming. Uh the autopsy itself,

at least the preliminary autopsy, both. the uh official one and the private one. commissioned by the family should be. complete or close to complete uh now or. very soon, but there's additional steps. like looking at toxicology, for example, that may take uh again additional weeks. So, um. that's going to take a while. I I think. that probably additional potential. witnesses may be identified besides uh. the the group of friends that went to. the island with Mr. Wells. Those. interviews may take additional days and. weeks. They're probably going to be.

re-interviews as they gain information. from one person that requires them to go. back and clarify or confirm information. with somebody they've already talked to. So, I think we're probably talking about. a matter of weeks both for the uh. Jackson County Sheriff's investigation. and hopefully for the uh independent. investigation sought by the the family. and by Mr. Wells. Uh so, I'm hoping it's. not going to be too much longer than. that. The tough thing about a case like. this is sometimes even after all the. information is in, you don't have a. clear answer. I mean, for example, if. the determination is that he drowned,

well, that's a cause of death. It's not. a manner of death, right? You could. drown accidentally, you could drown by. suicide, you could drown by homicide. So, we might at the end of the day have. all the the facts in and still not have. an answer that that satisfies uh the. grieving family or other people that are. concerned about what happened. >> Because the forensic evidence wouldn't. be so. clear to suggest how someone drowned, right? I mean, how could you show unless. there was some sort of blunt force. trauma or some sort of evidence of. you know, he was held down or pushed in.

the water or something like that. It'd. be really hard to know. >> Exactly. And even if there are some. injuries to his body, depending on the. injuries, they could be something caused. by another person or caused by a body. being in a a rough current. >> Matter of I'm thanks for coming on. As. always, thank you for giving us uh. things to be thinking about as we cover. this and continue to wait for answers. and we're just hoping the family gets. those answers. So Matt, thank. >> Absolutely. Thank you, Jesse. >> And that's all we have for you right now. here on Sidebar. Everybody, thank you so. much for joining us and as always, please subscribe [music] on YouTube, Apple Podcast, Spotify, wherever you.

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