Nolan Wells Death: New GPS Data, Audio & Even More Questions

There will be a grand jury that she will. turn this case over to once they have. collected all the information. >> The investigation into the death of. 18-year-old Nolan Wells is picking up. speed as it's now being [music] reported. this case may be headed to a grand jury. just as newly [music] released GPS data. and dispatch audio are raising new. questions about what happened [music] in. Nolan's final hours. We're going to. break it all down and what this could. mean right now. Welcome to Sidebar.

presented by Law & Crime. I'm Jesse. Weber. Okay, so we have to talk [music] about a. huge new phase that we're now entering. in the investigation into the death of. Nolan Wells. If you recall 18-year-old. college football player disappeared. while out boating with friends on the. July 4th weekend. They were going to. Horn Island. This is off the Mississippi. Gulf Coast. His body was found nearby. two days after he vanished. Now the. family has met with the district. attorney. And this investigation, it is.

now being reported, may be headed to a. grand jury. If that is true, we are one. step closer to possibly finding out who, if anyone, is responsible for Nolan's. death or whether anyone committed any. crimes in connection with this. investigation. And to be clear, I'm not. saying that's the case. But when you. hear the reports that this may be going. to a grand jury, that's what you have to. be thinking, right? Because when you. think of a grand jury and potential.

crimes, it could mean a whole host of. things. But let's not forget, there is still a. lot of mystery that needs to be solved. here. Key pieces of the timeline seem to. be still being debated. Some of the most. important evidence hasn't been fully. analyzed yet. And we also, maybe most. importantly, we still do not know. Nolan's official cause of death. We. don't know when the results of the. family's independent autopsy is going to. be released. Last week, we were hoping.

to have that update for you on July 10th. when the family's attorney, Ben Crump, said he'd initially expected to have the. preliminary findings, but for now we're. still in the dark on them. Crump has. said that flight cancellations are. causing transport issues in getting. Nolan's body to DC for that examination. And at the same time, there is no. autopsy results that have been released. as part of the official state. investigation, either. Last check, the. toxicology reports are still pending. To. be clear, by the way, last week Jackson. County Sheriff John Ledbetter indicated.

there is no reason to suspect foul play. We have no reason to believe that that. conclusion or belief has changed, but as. we know investigations do develop, they. evolve, and yes, we are learning some. things. But here is another big update. that we got to talk about. We have. learned from Ben Crump, again the. family's attorney, that Nolan's phone. will undergo a {quote} mutual. inspection, meaning both the state. investigators and the family's own. experts are going to analyze the phone.

So, that could potentially be a. game-changer here. It does raise. questions about how this would work. It. does raise questions about how the. evidence is being processed. Does it. contaminate the evidence in any way? How. do you have this dual investigation? And. I mean the family reportedly believes. that data may have been deleted from. that phone. So, that raises an. interesting question as well as why. Nolan didn't have his phone. We've. talked about that before. You're going. into the water, maybe you wouldn't have. your phone, maybe you'd leave it on.

board. But then again, if he was. planning to go out and hang out with. this girl as the reports have been, why. wouldn't he have taken his phone? So, some interesting questions there. And we. should also point out that the phone is. currently in the hands of Crump's. independent investigators. That's what. the reporting suggests. And by the way, the family recovered Nolan's phone using. the Life360 app, and they have. apparently had it since. And then we. have this. This is big, too. This is a. big update. New details are emerging.

about the timeline surrounding Nolan's. death. What do I mean? NBC News has. obtained audio of what seems to be. Nolan's friends calling for help when. that boat that he was in was in trouble. Listen to this. >> We're sinking. Can y'all please come. >> And is everybody on board in good health. otherwise? >> Yeah. Yeah, I already told somebody. >> So, from that little bit and reporting. by outlets like NBC News and the New. York Post, it seems that boat likely had. seven people on board. The boat was. having trouble at around 4:00 p.m. The. boat operator reportedly said, "Hey,

we're at the west tip of Horn, and our. bilge pump stopped working. I want to. get this boat unsank and towed back.". That boat was reportedly towed for 3. miles, it picked up speed less than an. hour later. We're actually going to talk. about that a little bit more. And look, we also know from the Jackson County. Sheriff, again John Ledbetter, that. Nolan did not come back on that boat. We. don't know for certain if Nolan was on. that boat during the call or if he was. already off the boat at that point. But. look, as far as we can tell, what we. seem to know is that at some point. between that call and 4:31 p.m., when.

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Right? That's all that matters. Can you. answer the questions that the family. has? Now, we're going to get into it. all. I actually want to start with what. we learned at this press conference. about this grand jury. So, Ben Crump. announced that the family met with. Jackson County District Attorney Angel. Myers-McGrath. And arguably, the biggest. takeaway from that meeting came directly. from Crump. >> She shared with the family that there. will be a grand jury that she will turn.

this case over to. once they have uh collected all the. information and finished their. investigation. Um we also agreed that we will have a. mutual inspection. of the cell phone with our experts and. their experts. Attorney Eric Hertz is. helping lead the investigation team uh. with former uh. law enforcement experts who are going to. help us uh.

with the cell phone download. So, everybody will be able to see at the. same time uh what the cell phone has. We also uh talked about trying to. make sure we dot every I and cross every. T. I know that we're getting about uh, 50 calls a day to 100 calls a day. from people who were there. on Horn Island, people who are familiar.

with individuals that were there on Horn. Island, and so we continue to be. steadfast in trying to get to the truth. of why Nolan Wells is dead. >> Now, I got to be clear about something. This grand jury doesn't mean that. they're charging someone, but it does. seem to mean that the DA could present. the evidence to a group that will decide. whether charges should be brought. And. that also becomes a question whether the. DA would actually move forward with. that. Look, as we previously discussed.

in this case, there's been a lot of. misinformation that has been spreading. online. You know, in our last episode, we addressed this viral video that has. been circulating, the one that was. initially believed to show Nolan in some. sort of argument over his phone, but a. friend of Nolan's later came forward to. the media and said it wasn't Nolan in. the video. It was him. He had this. argument. And Ben Crump acknowledged. that they're getting conflicting. accounts. >> That's what a witness told us, and. that's what we reported out. Then. another witness had come forward saying, "No, that was his voice." We have other. witnesses who said there were other. altercations. So, as Mr. Hurt said,

we're trying to go through it all and so. forth. And we'll be even more careful to. say this is what a witness told us in. the future. >> And so, your team hasn't been able to. locate the actual person that Crump was. referring to whether it was or was not. Nolan in the. >> No, we have audio people doing it, but. we know certain people have said it was. him, and there are certain people said. it was not him. >> So, yeah, conflicting witness accounts, police are still searching for any. images or videos, unedited, that could. provide insight into what happened that. day. And the family, again, is still. waiting for answers while planning their.

son's funeral. Nolan's mother, Christine. Wansley, spoke about what the family has. been going through. >> Thank you so much. Um. just the outpouring of love, support. Um. we've had some local officials, uh Mayor. Casey Vaughn from Goshen has reached out. to us. Oh my gosh, I I can't even tell. you. Um he has I'm It's almost been every. day. He's been texting to check on us. Also, Jeffrey Hullum, thank you so much.

He's been texting pretty much every day. Um receiving a lot of. stories from Nolan's teachers, which. just warms my heart. His classmates, teammates. >> So, to help make sense of everything. that we've been talking about, I want to. bring in Tyler Bailey, criminal defense. attorney, civil rights attorney. Go So. good to see you. Thanks for taking the. time. Um I think this is the first you. and I have talked about this case. Um. and I want to start with arguably the. biggest legal uh update, the grand jury.

This idea that uh according to Ben. Crump, right, that this may go to a. grand jury once the investigation by the. sheriff's office is complete. Um what do. you think that would look like? I mean, what could the grand jury potentially be. looking at here? What kind of evidence, what potential charges? >> Well, ideally, they should look at all. relevant ev- evidence here um that could. lead them to make a conclusion whether. they believe there's enough probable. cause for criminal charges or not, and.

not be a grand jury that's spoon-fed. particular information. And I think. that's a big update because initially we. know that the sheriff announced, I. believe about a week ago, that they. suspected no foul play. I do think this. independent investigation, some of the. pressure, has allowed the DA to come to. a different conclusion where there seems. to be a joint agreement that this is. going to go to a grand jury. So, it sh-. it could be text messages, it could be. the lack of text messages, could be cell. phone data, um it could be statements. from different witnesses who could. testify.

>> In other words, you're saying anybody. looks at that, and looks at the headline. like, "Oh my gosh, you're talking to. homicide charges." But not necessarily, it could be something with respect to. the investigation like whether it's. tampering with evidence or misleading. police. Something I'm not saying those. things happened, but that's what you're. suggesting. >> Right. It's anything that's a criminal. charge pertaining to the disappearance. and the death of this young man here. could be a criminal charge. It could be. obstruction of justice. All right, you. could have some accessories after the. fact. We don't know if it's going to be. homicide or murder, but there could be.

some criminal charge that could come out. of this. And I think that's all the. family has been asking for is a fair. investigation so they can know the. truth. >> Going to the idea of a homicide charge, I It's difficult for me to say anything. about this because we don't have a lot. of information. We don't have the cause. of death. But we also have the reality. that if someone is found in the water in. that way, it may be difficult to know. whether there was blunt force trauma. It. may be difficult to know whether. somebody was thrown into the water or. was drowned, right? I mean, those can be. difficult for medical examiners to.

ultimately assess. What are potential. homicide charges here? Is there a theory. of a case where if they can't prove that. someone killed Nolan but that was. negligent in some way, what are some. potential theories that you could see a. homicide related charge um. with with with what happened to Nolan? Again, I know we're speculating here, but I'm just trying to understand what. we could maybe see. Manslaughter, negligent homicide, murder and I don't. know.

>> Well, there's so much still we don't. know, but we do know there was some. statements about there being an. argument. Whether that was Nolan in the. argument or somebody else. So we don't. know if there was some sort of. altercation or fight. Um there there was. no interrogations of by law enforcement. of the individuals who were with him uh. the day afterwards, right? There's been. none of that that we know of that law. enforcement has questioned any of these. people who were out there um on this. boat at the uh with Nolan Wells. So, we. don't know what happened, whether it was. an argument, whether it was a fight,

whether they knew that he was in a in a. a position where he could not uh swim. and fend for himself in the water. So, all that's the stuff that we don't know, and hopefully from this independent. investigation, and hopefully from the. sheriff's department DA they get some. more information that can lead them to. come to a definitive conclusion. >> And to be clear, when we say we don't. know, right? Like there's been reporting. and there's been one narrative put. forward by people who were involved in. this about speaking with law. enforcement, but it's not like we got an. official report or a presser saying. these these people X, Y, and Z were.

interviewed, this is what they said, um. or you know, they're not suspects. It it. we're kind of reading between the lines. a little bit. I just want to take a step. back. Is it significant that the DA met. with the family or the DA met with the. family's lawyer? Is that common? Does. that signify to you something? I mean, we're kind of jumping here and saying. it's possible that evidence could be. presented to a grand jury, but it could. very well not be presented to a grand. jury. Um I'm curious how significant is. it that the DA reportedly met with the.

family? >> This DA said that she commonly meets. with uh families who have lost loved. ones. Um that's one thing that she did. say, but out of this where you have a. sheriff that said there's no foul play. initially, and then you have the family. demand an independent investigation, and. then you have a meeting with between the. family and along with the family's. lawyer, that is very significant. I. think that shows that the public. pressure and the national attention uh. to this area Mississippi has. has made the DA change some of uh the.

way she's addressing this by meeting. with the victim's family, and even. coming to the the extent of. doing some joint things together with. the victim's family and their attorney. That's not common in situations like. this. >> What would it say to you if the if they. don't impanel a grand jury? If they. don't present evidence to a grand jury? Or they do present evidence to a grand. jury, and the grand jury chooses not to. indict. A, two parts of that, what would. that signal to you? And B, would we know about any of that?

>> Grand jury proceedings are are. secretive. So, there will be, for. example, no media coverage of the grand. jury. There's no defense lawyers are not. allowed to be there. Uh the victim's. family attorney, Ben Crump, won't be. able to be there. It'll be a prosecutor. who's presenting the case to the grand. jury that's been impaneled. If they. decline to press charges, there will. ultimately be questions. People may. wonder whether this grand jury was. spoon-fed information that would lead. them to come to a conclusion of there. being no probable cause for an arrest.

do believe if they do find that there's. criminal charges out of the materials. that are presented to them, it would. affirm some of those suspicions that so. many people have about how this has been. handled and all the gaps that appear to. be present in this investigation in the. aftermath of Nolan's death. >> But, it's potential that the DA could. choose not to go to a grand jury, or. even if the grand jury does indict, does. the DA have a legal obligation to move. forward with the case? >> Prosecutors have prosecutorial. discretion, so they do not have to go to.

the grand jury. I believe it's my. understanding that they have actually. reached a joint agreement that this they. will present some evidence to the grand. jury one way or the other. But, the. prosecutor can say, "Well, we decided. not to do that. We don't believe there's. anything." So, they have discretion to. pursue charges, not pursue charges, present evidence to a grand jury or not. >> How long, typically, timeline-wise, would it take a grand jury typically to. reach a decision once a case is. presented? >> It really depends. There's no telling. It matters how many witnesses will be. testifying before the grand jury, the.

amount of evidence that's going to be. presented to them. So, it's kind of too. too soon to to speculate as to how long. the grand jury would be impaneled and. what they would hear. But, I do think. there's a couple of things that show. that they may not even be there yet. The. incident report, I believe, has not been. given to the family yet. So, usually. they'll those are available within 72. hours of the death or initial incident. The family has not received the incident. report. There's still cell phone data. that I believe that has to be collected. from at least Nolan Wells's phone. So,

um there still may be some time before a. grand jury is actually impaneled. >> I want to go to this next part. Uh I. mentioned this earlier. NBC News. obtained this audio of what appears to. be Nolan's friends calling for help for. the boat, right? The boat was apparently. having problems. I want you to take a. listen to this. >> We're sinking. Can y'all please come? >> And is everybody on board in good health. otherwise? >> Yeah. Yeah, everybody's on board. >> Tyler, that's significant. That is a. significant piece of this puzzle. What. does that tell you that there is this. reported call about the boat that by all. accounts Nolan was on at some point?

It's having problems. Caller says. everybody's on board. Again, we don't. know for certain whether Nolan was on. board during that call, but again, I. think that's significant this is. happening. What does it tell you? >> It's very significant. I mean, one, the. statement that everybody is on board, and we don't know if Nolan was on board. or or not at the time is very. significant given that he did not arrive. back home safely when that boat reached. dock later on that day. And he allegedly. left or wanted to stay behind with a.

female that he met that day at that. island on the lake. So, it's very. significant. The statements could either. be one, if it's not true, of course, it's a lie that everybody was not on. board. Or if he was on board at the time. this call was made, what happened after. that? >> And if you're talking about now dispatch. getting involved, there being a towing. situation, I'm thinking more witnesses. More witnesses, eyewitnesses to what. they saw about the boat or was involved. And by the way, let me go to this part. So, CBS News obtained GPS data from the.

Mississippi Department of Marine. Resources, and it tracks the boat's. movement. So, I want to walk through. that timeline. This is information they. say they obtained uh via records. request. So, it appears to suggest that. this boat, this vessel, left the dock at. approximately 9:56 that morning, arrived. at Horn Island at 11:14. According to GPS data, the boat then. reportedly left Horn Island at 4:31 that. afternoon, returned to its original. departure dock, then traveled into Fort.

Bayou at around 5:52 before returning to. the dock at 6:06. Later that evening, the boat went into the Fort Bayou boat. launch at 7:19, traveled overland, which. would suggest that it was possibly towed. by a vehicle to the owner's residence. And to just kind of put this into. perspective, I believe Ben Crump has. claimed that Nolan was last seen on the. island at 3:00 p.m. Tyler, what do you.

take away from this GPS data? >> That if he was last seen on the island. at 3:00 p.m. and they apparently not. only did they leave there, go to another. area, then go to dock, then get towed, there's a lot that could have transpired. between that time. Especially putting. that in conjunction with the text. messages and Snapchat history that was. allegedly uh deleted from his phone or. missing from his phone. So, there's a. lot of time for people to get their. story straight, uh to talk to uh maybe.

counsel or others about. what needs to be the narrative when they. arrive. Now, I'm speculating to a lot of. this because we don't know. There has. been no interrogation of these. individuals. There've been no official. statements that have been issued, but. it's clear that there's been a. significant period of time between the. boat leaving, the last time Nolan was. seen, and this uh boat getting back to. its original owner. >> And look, it confirms, or it seems to. confirm, right, this boat left uh 4:31. We still have conflicting accounts about.

whether Nolan chose to stay behind or he. was left behind. Um and this deep GPS. data is going to be an important role, it seems. I will say this, the this. report, this MS DMR report, also. indicates that the boat's owner, the his. mother, and one other individual who's. reportedly with Nolan on the day of this. incident have cooperated. with the investigation. What does that. mean to you that they have cooperated? >> It means that they probably have been. accessible to law enforcement, that they.

they at least have their contact. information, they're they're they're. being responsive to law enforcement. The. question regarding cooperating is to to. what extent. Now, will they testify between the grand jury. before a grand jury, or will they have. to plead the fifth before a grand jury? Just because they are cooperating does. not mean they're all being completely. forth forthcoming. We don't know to what. extent their role is, what information. that they have. They could be. cooperating through counsel. So, which is nothing wrong with.

cooperating through counsel. But, I. think at least shows that they aren't. stonewalling the police, and they're. being accessible. >> So, let me go on to this other major. development from this week's press. conference. The family is now going to. be allowed to inspect Nolan's phone. alongside investigators. There's going. to be this mutual. inspection where both sides will see the. contents at the same time. Tyler, is. that unusual? Let's first start there. >> That's highly unusual. It's highly. unusual that a victim's family, along.

with their attorney, would be allowed to. participate with law enforcement in the. inspection of the cell phone data. That's really the crux, one of the. crucial pieces of evidence with this. case. I don't think that would have. happened without a lot of the. chatter going around going on around the. country about how this investigation has. transpired. And it shows there's some. distrust between the family and law. enforcement here. And there my. understanding has been uh, not the best.

communication um, for with uh, the DA. and law enforcement and the family. So, the concession to allow them a joint. inspection, I think is an an attempt. from the government and the or the state. here to try to regain some of that trust. with the victim's family. >> And I thought it was also unusual if the. reporting is true and if this is. accurate that the family has been, um, in possession of this phone and hasn't. or turned it over to law enforcement. yet. I mean, maybe that's. uh, not true, but this is what the. reporting seems to suggest. I would.

again imagine that's a little unusual, but also how does this work? How does a. mutual inspection work exactly? >> So, there's there should be some. forensic experts regarding uh, data. extraction uh, present with the state. and also there will likely be an. independent one um, that Mr. Crum's. office has present with at the with the. DA at the same time. So, that way. everybody can see it at at the same time. whether all data is being extracted,

make sure nothing's being left behind. because the big issue here is that the. early announcement of no foul play, uh, the the evidence of the cell phone that. the family received, I believe a couple. days after Nolan went missing or the. night of, I can't recall the exact time. and then the missing of text messages. and Snapchat data. And by allowing joint. experts or a joint uh, data extraction. at the same time it's going to help uh, the family feel comfortable knowing that. all data is being looked at, it's not.

being piecemeal because often times I've. seen cases where there's been a a cell. phone data that's been extracted and the. state says, "Oh, well, that's other. information deleted. We can't get it.". But that's not normal when you have you. could uh, forensic expert can see what's. been deleted, what's been um, altered in. the data. >> Does this potentially present an a legal. evidentiary issue? If you have multiple. hands on the phone, does that. contaminate the evidence in some way? If. there is a case being presented against.

a defendant, could in a defense attorney really hone. in on that and say, "Look, I mean, you. have to exclude this evidence. There's a. chain of custody issue." Or do you say, "Look, digital evidence is different. It's not like a piece of clothing, right?" I mean, talk to me about that. >> The defense attorney may, depending on. what happens here, look, let's say there. are criminal charges and they are ones. of homicide or something that's very. serious and substantial, and this case. goes to trial. The The defense attorney. would jump on that and likely try to. have that data excluded. If anything,

the chain of custody is going to have to. reference the mutual presence of victim. The victim being there, the victim's. attorney being there along with their. own experts, and the jury should be. allowed to hear that, and they can make. They can weigh the the that evidence um. how they see sufficient. But if it's not. excluded, it will certainly be an issue. at a criminal trial that could weigh to, you know, whether the jury believes it's. it's solid evidence or maybe it could. have been influenced by the presence of.

the family. But I do believe in the. family in in the how they're addressing. this uh with their own independent. investigation, which I believe has even. led to this um. the grand jury possibly being paneled. None of that would have happened without. the efforts that they've done, and I. think it's appropriate for there to be a. joint um extraction for this. circumstance. >> And look, you know, if messages were. deleted, um I think there when you're. talking about digital evidence, that's. can be pretty easy to show. I think it's. also, just because something's deleted,

you may think it's gone, but it's in the. ether. It can be recovered. Um we've. covered those cases all the time. I do. think the location of the phone is. another key component about this, right? So, the family has said that it First of. all, it was unusual that Nolan would go. off on his own, but also the idea that. he would leave his phone behind. You. know, what teenager puts their phone. down? But then you have this friend of. Nolan's who told ABC News that, "Look, it's normal to leave phones on the boat. You're protecting them from the salt. water." He said all their friends were. out there, that they were not. communicating with anyone else. Who else.

would they talk to? And he said that. when Nolan got in the boat, he put his. phone on the boat's dash along with. probably 15 other phones. How do you see. it? >> That's not usual. I mean, even taking. for what we've heard that there was a. young lady that he met named Katie and. that he was interested in talking to. her. You would think that he would want. to be able to text her later on or get. in contact with her later. I don't know. many 18-year-olds who aren't glued to. the hit to their phone. And even if they. put their phone somewhere, if they're. going to stay behind, they would. definitely grab their phone. And so, I.

think that seems suspicious, if. anything. I I hear the friends' position. on it, but it draws many people some. iron and gets to the same conclusion of. that doesn't sound like the 18-year-olds. or 23-year-olds that we know. They like. to have their phones on them. And keep them close by. >> One more point I want to ask you about. about the autopsies, right? So, we have. two things going on here. We're waiting. for the results of both, right? We're. waiting for the state autopsy. It seems. that they're waiting.

toxicology reports. Um, but then the family is, by all. accounts, trying to do this independent. autopsy out in Washington, D.C. What should we be thinking about these. potential two dual examinations of. Nolan? >> If there's a stark difference between. the examinations, whether the state's. examination leads to simply a drowning. with no evidence of foul play or any. strangulation or struggle versus a.

independent investigation from the. family that shows otherwise, I think. that makes. draws some suspicion. I think that just. from the history of how, unfortunately, things have been in the South. historically and still that we deal with. today, Um, the way this investigation. has rolled out, the family felt the need. to do their own independent. investigation. I think the toxicology. report is going to be telling as well, um, because, you know, if you're in the. water, um, and you have some alcohol in.

your system, it may be more difficult to. swim and things of that nature. So, the. toxicology report is going to be very. important, and more information. regarding the autopsy about his actual, um, how he actually, unfortunately, lost. his life is going to be relevant for. both sides, whether the state sees this. as evidence of there being foul play, or. the family sees it as more so evidence. of the state not doing a thorough. investigation, and being being willing. to pursue charges. >> I think I said it at the beginning. Look, these are big developments. This. is a critical time in this case. I just.

hope the family gets the answers that. they're looking for, and we'll stay on. top of it. Tyler Bailey, thank you so. much for taking the time. I really. appreciate it. >> Anytime. [music]. >> And that's all we have for you right now. here on Sidebar, everybody. Thank you so. much for joining us, and as always, please subscribe on YouTube, Apple. Podcast, Spotify, wherever you should. get your podcast. You can also check us. out on NBC's [music] Peacock, as well. If you want to follow me, X, Instagram, my NewsNation show, Jesse Weber live, Monday through Friday, [music] 11:00. p.m. Eastern. See you next time, everybody.