Missing UFO General 911 Call Raises Chilling Questions

My husband is missing. It's been about 3. hours and I have some indication that he. must have planned not to be found. He. turned it off and left it behind, which. seems kind of deliberate. [music]. >> That is the wife of retired Air Force. Major General William Neil McCaslin, heard in a 911 call that had never been. released [music] until now. >> I think he's on foot. All of our cars. and bicycles are in the garage. This is. a big new development in the story that.

we have been covering of a missing man. with work tied to Wright-Patterson Air. Force Base, a place [music] long rumored. to be connected to Roswell and UFOs. And. now, he apparently walks [music] out of. his house in the middle of the day, allegedly changes his clothes, and. vanishes. So, what happened in that. [music] narrow window between when his. wife left and when she came home? And. one of the most highly trained men in. the US military is just gone? Let's talk. about it. [music] Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law & Crime. I'm Jesse.

Weber. A retired [music] two-star Air Force. General allegedly walks out of his house. in the middle of the day. Apparently. leaves his phone, his glasses, his smart. watch, seemingly changes his clothes. into something that his wife apparently. can't identify. And then nothing. For weeks, no. sightings, no video, no answers, just. speculation. UFOs, government secrets, a. name tied to hacked emails about. Roswell. But right now, we have.

something new. We have something in our. hands that as of right now, at the time. we're publishing this, we haven't seen. anyone else publish it. This is a brand. new 911 call from his wife made just. hours after he vanished. And I want you. to listen. This is part of it. I want. you to listen to what she tells the. dispatcher. My husband is missing. Okay. >> and he's it's been about 3 hours and I. have some indication that.

he must have planned not to be found. >> That again is the wife of retired Major. General William McCaslin. And what she. says next about his mental state, about. him not wanting to be found, we're not. only going to break it down, but we're. also going to bring in somebody to help. make sense of this, a key law. enforcement expert with the Cold Case. Foundation. Because when weeks go by. with no answers, when a man who spent. his career inside America's most. secretive programs just vanishes into. thin air, where do investigators even. start? Where do they go? What do we make.

of this 911 phone call? Now, before we. even get into this new audio that we. haven't heard before, I need to put all. of this into context so the call will. make sense, okay? Who exactly are we talking about? Who. exactly are we looking for? William Neil. McCaslin, 68-year-old retired Major. General United States Air Force. This. isn't some random guy who wandered off. This is somebody who spent 34 years. apparently working on some of the most. sensitive technology the military has. Astronautical engineering, space. acquisition, the National Reconnaissance.

Office. That's the spy satellite people. And eventually, he took command of the. Air Force Research Laboratory at. Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. Now, Wright-Patterson, it's important. For decades, conspiracy theorists have. claimed that is where the government. secretly stored debris from Roswell. The. Air Force, to be clear, has never. confirmed that, but the association. sticks. And as we continue to cover this. case, a person like this goes missing, people start talking. People start. speculating. Now, the conspiracy. theories aside, here's what we actually. do know. We know that it was February.

27th, a Thursday morning. Now, according. to the Bernalillo County Sheriff's. Office, around 10:00 a.m., a repairman. shows up at McCaslin's home on Quail Run. Court in Albuquerque, in New Mexico. Scheduled appointment, goes inside, interacts with McCaslin, that's. confirmed. And about an hour later, 11:10, his wife, Susan, leaves for a. doctor's appointment. When she gets. back, just after noon, 12:04, he's. apparently gone. Now, at first glance, maybe he stepped out for a walk. He's an. avid outdoorsman, hiking, biking, skiing. Knew those foothills cold in the.

area. But then she starts looking. around. His phone, still on the counter. His prescription glasses, sitting there. His smart watch, abandoned there. And. his clothes? She says she knew what he. was wearing when she left, but and this. is interesting, she ends up finding. those clothes later in the closet. So, he seemingly changed into something. else, something she can't identify right. now. So, she calls 911 and right away, she says something that will just stop. you cold. Again, this is new audio. We.

haven't heard it before. Take a listen. This is April, how may I help you? Hi. April, my name is Susan Wilkerson. Um my. husband is missing. Okay. >> and he's it's been about 3 hours and I. have some indication that. he must have planned not to be found. He's left his phone, he changed his. clothes into I don't know what. I think. he's on foot. All of our cars and. bicycles are in the garage. I left for a.

doctor's appointment at about 11:10. and uh he was here at that time. Okay. At the house. And I got back from that. at noon and he was gone. He turned it. off and left it behind, which seems kind. of deliberate cuz he's always got his. phone. He has a smart watch. I don't know if. that's with him or not. Has he ever done. this before? Never. Nothing even remotely like it. He's a retired Air Force Major General.

He's very responsible. But he's also. facing some medical issues. Do you have. any video at your home? No. Has he been diagnosed with any mental um. disorders or anything like that? Well, we've been seeing a doc for both. physical and mental in terms of anxiety, short-term memory loss, lack of sleep. The same doc I went to see today. Does.

he carry any weapons on him? Well, not. generally. I. He does have a gun safe and I went to. look in the gun safe to see if anything. was missing, but I couldn't tell if. anything was. There's Okay. >> He has quite a number of pistols and. rifles. Other than. saying if his. brain and body keep deteriorating, he. didn't want to live like that. But it seemed to me that was just a. man, I hate how this is going kind of. thing. And cuz I told him, yes, you do.

Yes, you do. Okay. We're going to send. some deputies out to talk to you, see if. you can search a little bit and see. what's going on, okay? >> Sure. Thank you very much. >> ma'am. So, here's a question, okay? You're a 911 dispatcher. Woman calls, says her husband, this former Major. General, walked out of the house hours. ago. No phone, no glasses, apparently. changed his clothes, and she says he. planned not to have been found. I mean, honestly, what goes through your head. about that? How do you even start the. investigation? And by the way, how does.

the wife know this, right? That's key, right? What about his routine, what. about did she know about him says that. this is a situation that he may have. taken active steps to not be found. So, to help answer all of this, to get. reaction to this, to figure out where. this investigation goes from here, we're. bringing in somebody who has been doing. this work for decades. Chris McDonnell. is Director of Law Enforcement Relations. and Investigative Consultant with the. Cold Case Foundation. Chris, so good to. see you. Thanks for taking the time. Thank you, Jesse. Appreciate the.

invitation, bud. Will you tell me what stands out to you. the most about that call? Well, right away, I mean, the the first. red flag within sight of that phone call. is just that comment, you know, he must. have a plan or something to that effect. And you know, that's kind of one of these anomalies, right? What we would call DLR, doesn't. look right or doesn't sound right. And. not that it couldn't be right, it's that. would be like the first step-off point.

uh when the first officer gets on the. scene to start looking into this thing. The idea that he not, you know, she. didn't say someone must have taken him, someone must have done something to him. There was this acknowledgement that. based on the man she knows, and in. particular about the clothing and the. items left behind, that he did this, that he didn't want to be found. You. know, you compare it to the Nancy. Guthrie case, which is. uh obviously different, but there wasn't.

an indication, well, maybe initially. that we weren't entirely sure what. happened, but it was pretty clear this. wasn't a wandering off situation. You. know, and yes, she's uh much older than. McCaslin, but the idea that he must have. planned not to be found is very, very. interesting. Yeah, I mean, because who's introducing. that plan? Right? We hear it very first on the 911. call, he planned not to be found. Well, all right, when the first deputy gets on.

the scene and they start, you know, they. have a couple of priorities. The first. priority is to see if there's any. suspicious activity in relationship to. how the environment looks, okay? Then. the second activity there that's going. on simultaneously. is you're interviewing witnesses, and in. this case, the family, the wife, and you. want to lock them into a statement so. that, you know, later on when the. investigators get on scene, and if it. didn't sound right or it doesn't look. right, like we were talking a moment. ago, then, you know, you tell that to.

your first responding investigators. And. third piece of that puzzle is you got to. start looking through the house, and you. have to start looking through the. anomalies that she may have been talking. about on the phone, i.e., she has a lot. of guns, he's been going through a lot. of mental stuff, we went to the same. doctor, etc. And you want to start. looking for evidence that will correlate. to the truthfulness of potentially that. statement. So, in this case, it is. critical and would have been critical.

right from the very moment that first. deputy got on scene. to potentially start telling the story. I think the clothes were big indication, right? You know, the idea that the. clothes were So, does it become almost impossible to know. what he was wearing then? I mean, do you. How do you know the whole wardrobe. collection of a human being even if. you're married to them? And also, unless. they purchase clothes beforehand that. they hadn't worn before, that seems like. a challenge in and of in and of itself. Yeah, right. And And this is why you.

don't go into these investigations. asking the word how, but always asking. the word why. Why would he have left, you know, the items behind like a cell. phone, his prescription glasses, all the. wearables, right? The things that you're. going to need out there in the world. And so, you have to start breaking that. down and then you have to start plugging. those, you know, gaps of really gumshoe. investigative techniques. I mean, the. strongest tool for any surgeon is a is a.

scalpel. But for [clears throat] an investigator, it's the question. So, the very first. type of questions that are put out to. the witnesses {slash} even the wife and. the family, those are going to tell you. the wounds potentially within inside. this investigation. And you're going to. be able to figure out, okay, how do I. need to stitch these wounds up? Where. investigators get screwed up is they. write the prescription without doing the. diagnosis. And so, sometimes, you know,

if somebody was, you know, if there's. foul play here, well, the suspect has. the advantage in that situation. And, you know, some of the red flags that. even like you're talking about there. jump right out. The he missing hiking. boots, you know, the a gun, etc. But. where is all of this coming from? It's. coming from the inside of his home, i.e. through the witnesses that last saw him. And so, you want to make sure that. you're cutting through that pretty. quickly with the right type of.

questioning and and interviewing. techniques. And I wonder if there's a. complication that this is not just John. Smith who disappears, but this is. somebody who has training. This is. somebody who's an outdoorsman. And you. wonder if this is the case where they. don't want to be found, is it likely they won't be found? Well, you know, that's always a. possibility, right? I mean, with his. military training, uh the question is if he's wandering.

away from his house, you have to now do. what they call a geographical profile. and say, okay, you know, how far would. this guy get? He's 68 years old, may. have some upcoming health issues, but. he's also healthy. uh based on what, you know, his wife is. saying. He doesn't have any dementia. issues. uh per se. So, immediately you'd want to. talk to his doctors. Uh you'd want to. talk to the last people that saw him and. try to tighten up that. that timeline.

Uh and then simultaneously, if he. doesn't want to be found, uh then you want to start looking for a. digital footprint in today's. environment. >> I I just want to go back to the mental. health aspect of it, right? I I think. that's really a. concerning chilling part of it, the lack. of sleep, short-term memory loss, anxiety. If my brain and body keeps. deteriorating, the question of whether. or not he wants to live like that. One. of the challenges is if we are dealing. with a situation, somebody did something. to themselves, how on earth is it. possible that with all of these agencies.

looking for him. that he still can't be found? That's why. there are others who believe. was he apprehended? Was he taken? Um. or again, you go back to the idea you. said, how can someone just disappear? But that's the part that's challenging, right? Even if somebody did something to. themselves, where where where are they? Where's. their body? Well, you know, this is a really. interesting case and where. I used to work in San Diego County. We. had We had a case in Rancho Santa Fe. It.

was called His name was Ian Spiro. Uh I don't know if you've ever heard of. that name, but he lived in a very. wealthy neighborhood. Uh his family, four members of his. family, his three children and his wife. were found deceased in his house. Uh and then he was later found, you. know, in I I believe it was the Borrego. Desert in his vehicle and he had drank. uh some cyanide. And everybody didn't know who he was at.

the time, uh but, you know, just fast forward here. and the correlations is he ended up. being some high-level government um. operative where he was a gun dealer, uh. etc. etc. And to this day, that case. still has not been solved. Uh and the. this has the smell of something like. that. where, you know, you have this. high-level government guy. uh who just, you know, decides, "Hey,

I'm just going to walk away from my. house.". Uh they find a potential piece of. clothing, you know, a couple of miles. away. But to your point, he's just. evaporated. Now, people can do that, but there's. also, to your point, all these other. conspiracies he's kept coming up here. And you have to ask yourself, okay, well, what's going on in that house. first? And you don't leave that. environment because in this case, he's a.

very low-risk uh. victim. Uh meaning his environment, he's at his. house, his situation, he's at his house, his circumstance, it's early in the. morning. That puts him way down on the. low-risk. uh thing. So, there's a higher. probability that he was either targeted. by somebody he knew or somebody that had. access to his environment. And that. window that window, the sheriff's office. releases the timeline, repairman at. 10:00 a.m., wife leaves 11:10, she's.

back 12:04. It's such a narrow window. and you wonder how investigators, you. know, work a timeline like that. And the. sheriff's office, by the way, has been. pretty open about how unusual all this. is. Here's how they put it. His wearable. devices and taking his phone were common. practice with him. That is out of the. norm. We said from the get-go that this. was an abnormal behavior by his part and. thus we are looking at every possible. aspect of it and willing to unturn any. stone that we can in order to help. identify where Mr. McKesslin is. And. apparently they searched hard, drones,

helicopters, K9 unit, cadaver dogs, grid. searched the canyon where his wearable. devices showed he hiked. And here's the. thing, they later found the green shirt. and the hiking boots that they thought. he left in. This was at the family's. second home in Pagosa Springs, Colorado. So, they don't actually know what he was. wearing. And by the way, the sheriff's. office addressed that, too. We've. received a lot of tips about items that. have been located. We check every one of. them. We check with family and friends. to see if those are items that were. known to be utilized by him or owned by.

him. Um and we'll continue to do that. So, that's the update on these items. that you are seeing being brought. forward. We're not saying he left in. them. They are just unaccounted for. >> So, Chris, you're you're hearing the. response from law enforcement. It's been. a while now. Where do you think they are. at at the investigation? Well, hopefully they're at a situation. where they're starting to look at that. digital footprint if it exist. If in. fact those items are connected to this.

particular disappearance and they're. found at a different location, that. means you have you potentially have two. crime scenes here. And so, now you have. to connect those dots, right? How do we. get from point A to point B? Uh and then, you know, from there you. have to work it backwards. Did he have. Did he have a plan? I mean, let's say. this was an intentional walk away. What was What was part of that plan? Well, if it's a rental car or if it's a, you know, some type of vehicle that.

would be utilized to get to that second. location, then that information's going. to be available to law enforcement. They're eventually going to find that. Uh but if there's, let's say, another. situation where he runs into somebody, you know, who has. um. you know, and will bad intent for lack. of better term. Uh I've I've had a. kidnapping case where. uh a mother left a pot of potatoes on.

the stove and she went to the local. grocery store and she vanished. And we. found her 4 months later, she was. buried. Uh and we also discovered that she the. suspects that she ran into were at the. grocery store. And it was a kidnapping. for robbery. Uh and so, if this is a. situation where, let's say, he goes out. and then he runs into somebody, Yeah. I. We We don't know if that if that's a. possibility that could have taken him to. a secondary location and said, "Okay,

we're going to go from here.". Yeah, or he wanted to meet with. somebody. We just don't know because. again, it's such a. narrow window when he left very. when he was went missing. I mean, goes missing right after the wife. leaves, those the items are left. It's. difficult to know one way or another. And then there's the gun, by the way. So, this .38 caliber revolver, the. leather holster still missing. Sheriff's. office was asked if he normally carried. it. Take a look. He wouldn't hike with a. weapon on him. That would be relegated. for maybe overnight camping trips and.

things of that sort. And then it was for. personal protection. So, what are we looking for with that? Um. well, if. say General McKesslin had recently gone. to a pawn shop and and sold that off and. we just weren't aware of that or his. wife wasn't aware of that, we'd want to. know that. And so, that would be. something that would be of interest if. someone is hiking in the mountains and. finds. a spent .38 special casing, that would. be unique.

that we would want to be able to to take. and and process. Um so, that's why we're. putting that information out. >> Yeah, Chris, real quick. I mean, that's. a really smart police work to try to. figure out how the gun could be. connected, but I haven't heard any. updates about it. So, I wonder if that's. a dead end now. Um it could be, Jesse. It it actually. could. And the anomaly there is he took. it with a holster. Okay? If you're going to, you know, typically with somebody's going to do. self-harm, for lack of a better term,

why do you need the holster? Okay? Uh I mean, I've seen so many death. scenes that if somebody's going to take. care of business, I either going to hurt. themselves, they're just going to tuck. that weapon right in, you know, potentially into their pants or carry it. or whatever. I I would I would challenge. and say maybe it was maybe again, if. we're talking about him taking it, custom. I mean, it was his it's. processed. He always kept it in the. holster, let's say. And maybe I don't. know what distance he might have.

traveled. It would have been whatever. alleged plan he had or whatever he. wanted to do. You know, it would have. been more secure to have it in the. holster before he decided to use it or. if he needed to. Right. And and I. wouldn't disagree with that at all, but. at the same time, he's going to go to a. location where they're going to find his. body and they haven't discovered that at. this point. So, it's almost like these. items are mentioned to create this. confusion. Mhm. And that's I guess where. I'm going there in that thought process.

It's like there's too many little. details that do not make sense. You. know, the the boots, you know, the. wallet, all the stuff that he left. behind, but he takes his gun and it's. like, well, wait a minute. That that. that's not lining up. There's another. layer to this story that a lot of people. just can't stop talking about. I want to. get your take on it because McCaslin. apparently isn't the only person in his. orbit who's disappeared or died under. strange circumstances. There is Melissa. Cassius, worked as an administrative.

assistant at Los Alamos National. Laboratory. This is the same lab that. developed the atomic bomb. She vanished. in June of 2025, walked away from her. car, left her phone, wallet, keys. behind. Last seen on camera walking. alone on a highway, gone. There's Monica. Reza, a NASA rocket scientist, disappeared while hiking with friends in. California just 4 days before Cassius. vanished. She worked on a project funded. by the Air Force Research Laboratory, the same lab that McCaslin used to. oversee. And then there's Karl Grollman,

renowned astrophysicist, shot dead at. his home in California in February, right around the time that McCaslin went. missing. His shooter was arrested, worked on telescope projects that were. powered by military technology that was. monitored by that same lab. And to be. clear, I'm not saying all this is. connected. Correlation is not causation, but do you see a disturbing pattern. here? Do you think this should all be. investigated? Absolutely. I mean, with. with those types of uh. uh connections, right? Who's in a circle.

of influence? And now, you know, all. these other individuals have also, you. know, disappeared. And it's interesting, look at the correlations in relationship. to hiking. Okay? And just people outdoors. All of. these events occurring outdoors. Uh if, you know, that in and of itself is. suspicious. You know, what are the odds. of, you know, uh a team working together. uh and this explains and then. disappearing together.

Okay? And that this explains why the. FBI's involved in this and it's not just. a local issue from the sheriff's. department. That was one of the things. that jumped out right away to me. It's. like, why are the feds involved in this? Yeah, the guy's retired military. I. mean, my father was in the Marine Corps. for 31 years. Okay, but if he went. disap- if he disappeared, the federal. FBI wouldn't be coming knocking on my. door. Okay? And so, there's there's a. real, you know, challenge there when we. see them involved. And maybe it's to.

your point because there potentially. could be a correlation. Former FBI. assistant director Chris Swecker told. the Daily Mail that investigators just. can't look at these cases in isolation. He said, quote, "The FBI can't have. these examined in isolation and. compartmentalize them as individual. missing person cases." You have. Congressman Eric Burlison also called. for the FBI to get involved. He said the. disappearances are deeply concerning. And then I want to go to this other. aspect, the UFO angle, because. McCaslin's name shows up in those hacked. WikiLeaks emails. Tom DeLonge talking.

about him as the guy who ran the lab at. Wright-Patterson, same place that. Roswell debris supposedly went, Tom. DeLonge from Blink-182. Sheriff's office. was asked about this. Their answer was. basically, just because it's crazy. doesn't mean it's not true, but we can't. investigate that. And I've asked a bunch. of guests that I've talked to about. this. How far can they go in terms of looking. at his past and looking at his history. and looking at what he was working on? Because I imagine there's issues of. uh you know, security clearance and. classified documents. Talk to me about.

that. Well, I. they can't go very far. Uh even the feds. can't go very far, the FBI, unless, you. know, there's, you know, what they call. green card security clearances. And. the the fact that all of these things. are compartmentalized, i.e., you know, some of these projects may have been top. secret, etc., etc. Uh you know, you can. get close to the door, but that doesn't. mean that door's going to open. And and.

that was one of the interesting things. with the Ian Spiro case that I was. talking about. Uh it the. the news got as close as, yes, there was. some government connections, i.e., he. was. potentially looked at as one of the arms. dealer during the Iran-Contra gun. supply. Okay? And so, once it got to that level, that that's as far as it went. And that. case to this day, again, has never been.

solved. Uh and that was in the '90s. And. so, is this going to fall into that. bucket where everybody's going to get. close and because of the other, you. know, high-level projects that this guy. was overseeing, they can't get close. enough. Bottom line is we don't know. what happened to him. We just don't. know. That's the honest answer. I will. say if you were in the Sandia foothills. on February 27th, 28th, check your. cameras, the doorbell footage, dash. cams, photos you took that day. You can. submit tips to the Bernalillo County.

Sheriff's Office Missing Persons Unit at. 505-468-7070. You can text anonymously through Tip411. Text BCSO and your tip to 847-411. Chris, thank you so much for taking the. time. Really appreciate it. Thank you, Jesse. That's all we have for. you right now here on Sidebar. Everybody, thank you so much for joining. us. And as always, please subscribe on. YouTube, [music] Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you should get your. podcasts. You can also check us out on. NBC's Peacock as well. If you want to. follow me, X, Instagram, [music] my. NewsNation show Jesse Weber Live, Monday.

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