Missing Minnesota Mom Madeline Kingsbury’s Ex-Boyfriend Arrested After Dead Body Found

this morning the southern Minnesota. Regional medical examiner's office and. performed an autopsy law enforcement has. confirmed that the remains are those of. Madeleine's day the search for missing. mom Madeleine Kingsbury ends in. Minnesota the father of her two children. now Behind Bars we have the latest on. this tragic story. [Music]. they did publicly confirmed that.

the remains that were found. belong to my sister Madeline. welcome to law and crime's sidebar. podcast I'm Anjanette Levy police in. Winona Minnesota had been searching for. Madeleine Kingsbury since the end of. March police and her family said she. didn't show up for work on March 31st. and didn't pick up her children ages 5. and 2 at daycare that day. Adam Fravel the father of the children. didn't have custody of them he's being.

held at the Winona County Jail on a. second degree murder charge. unfortunately while this discovery is. not what we were hoping for we are. thankful to be able to bring Maddie home. to her family. her body was owned by a Fillmore County. investigator on a remote stretch of road. off Highway 43 North of Mabel at. approximately 1 30 p.m yesterday. afternoon. Madeleine's family searched for her. along with volunteers her sister Megan.

posted on Tick Tock after her sister's. remains were found. [Music]. there's still a lot. we can't say we still have to be. extremely cautious. um. you know. we've been saying we don't want to. jeopardize the investigation and that's. still true. um. we you know. from the beginning thought that.

Adam. had something to do with this and so we. think that the right person is in. custody. and we're confident that. um. he will get the punishment that he. deserves. joining me to discuss The Disappearance. of Madeleine Kingsbury and the fact that. now her remains have been found is Joe.

Jack alone he is a retired Sergeant with. the New York City Police Department's. Cold Case Squad also an Adjunct. professor at the John Jay College. Department of Criminal Justice and he's. been on before with on sidebar here so. Joe welcome back thanks for coming back. on. thanks for having me. this seems like a case that unfolded. pretty quickly Madeline was reported. missing March 31st she didn't pick up. the kids at daycare and it seems like.

police are saying all roads led to the. father of her two children her remains. were found throughout the course of the. investigation using some data so your. thoughts. yeah it's a sad ending to a case uh but. it's not unusual in the respect that. when somebody disappears or somebody is. killed specifically when you have a you. know a husband wife situation or. significant other the all the tension. goes to that other person and it's just.

why because most people are victimized. by someone they know and when you have a. situation like this you know the the. police start leading right into that and. they start doing their homework and they. stop putting a case together it's just. as simple as that Madeline was reported. missing on March 31st April 1st. somewhere in there she she doesn't show. up for work she doesn't pick the kids. off up at daycare she obviously dropped. them off these children are ages five. and two you know her the father of the. children.

obviously something must have been going. on there does that the reading really. tight-lipped about this the family. always suspected Adam so what are your. thoughts. well we don't know exactly the. relationship between the two right so if. you ask the husband he would say. everything was great everything was fine. the other family members might have. other Clues into this one now remember. he was with her when she dropped the. kids off they went he was the last one. seen with her so that's why I think the. police zoned in on him pretty quickly.

and remember in these daycare centers. there's lots of video surveillance so. they actually know who was there and who. stepped out of the car and you know my. that video might have captured something. too that we don't we are unaware of so I. think we see what I refer to as a three. forensic Horsemen in this case video. surveillance internet records and phone. records and I think that's what played a. big role in these things and you know. what those are the things that are going. to play big roles in many of these cases. in the future too. I think it's you important that you. point that out because Adam Fravel you.

know as I mentioned earlier didn't have. custody of the two children the. five-year-old and the two-year-old but. something LED police to him everybody's. being really tight-lipped about that but. with those internet records the cell. phone records in particular obviously. they were able to pinpoint where. Madeline's remains were were dumped so. it sounds like to me when they're saying. you know throughout the course of the. investigation we found this location it. sounds like it's probably was cell phone.

data that led them to that area. probably I mean that's what we have to. speculate right we can think about that. and remember they probably tracked his. whereabouts too through the cell towers. and to see exactly try to pinpoint this. down I mean they have it down within a. few square feet like when I used to do. this for a living it wasn't that close. right it was a much wider range now they. have it down within a few feet and they. the police also mentioned that there. were basically other clues that her. disappearance was involuntary so I mean. listen when ladies leave the house they.

rarely seldom leave pocketbooks and cell. phones and keys and everything like that. because they have to get somewhere they. got to go somewhere with the car or what. have you and what about money what about. you know people trying to call them very. unusual specifically if I don't know if. there's a case in this one but when. somebody has a lot of social media. presence and then all of a sudden it. just stops or just ends it's generally a. really bad sign. there is a second degree murder charge. right now that Adam Fravel is being held.

on uh it says second-degree murder it's. not premeditated without intent so there. could be additional charges filed the. police are not commenting on what. additional charges could be filed in. this case but second-degree murder. without intent what does that tell you. about what is being suspected as of now. well the police probably are missing. that one little piece of evidence to. push it over now the police department. remember they just put out the initial. charges now it's up to the district. attorney to see if they can do more and.

that's generally the case I know a lot. of times people blame the cops for. overcharging people in the initial. unrest but that's not the case generally. they they put cases they put charges. that are much lower the D.A then has a. chance to do this that's what the DH job. does may have the expert they know the. rules they know the laws and if the. police can present them certain evidence. they could just uh add additional. charges it's not a big deal right now. where do you see this case going from. here there's so much that can't be said. right now do you think that we'll learn.

that more charges will be filed or is it. just going to all depend on what they. find in the autopsy what they may find. in phone records I'm assuming there. would be a lot of communication between. Madeleine and Adam since they shared two. children together. well absolutely right so there's you. have a relationship here you have that. constant communication but like I said. internet records can prove a thing too. right we saw this up with the uh Anna. Walsh case where somebody was Googling. certain things so I think that might.

play a role in this but also just from. the perspective from the police. department it appears as if they have. their man they've established probable. cause the district attorney is on board. with these cases from the very beginning. when you have a missing person's case or. it ends up to be a homicide so we had at. least a column the writing D.A they'll. write along with it they're right there. they can help us with subpoenas and help. us get warrants and the like so the. police department generally when you. have these cases are not acting with on. their within their own discretion per se. they have the district attorney and. remember they are the ones that have to.

prosecute these cases so if they're. comfortable with this it's all mine. one thing that stands out to me is the. fact that Madeleine thank goodness was. not missing or they were able to find. her remains I would say relatively. quickly it's it's June now she was. reported missing on March 31st somehow. they were led to this location so it. seems to me that this may show maybe. this wasn't you know planned maybe this. was something that happened maybe an.

argument I know we're speculating on. that but obviously he wasn't able. according to the police he's innocent. until proven guilty he wasn't able to. cover his tracks all that much. well and there's also been uh according. to the news lots of interviews with him. so he might have slipped up something he. might have said something that the. police made note of but they're also I. believe they're also referring to a tip. that they got and they also searched. that area prior to where the the body. was found so they were pretty much on.

top of this in the beginning and I think. now they just that one little bit of. information brought them back to the. scene and they were able to uh recover. her remains but I just think it shows. that these cases sometimes take a while. to develop and detectives are always. working in the background a lot of times. people say well how come the cops aren't. doing this too fast why did it take them. so long because you know you're at a. disadvantage the only there's only one. person that knows exactly where the body. is and what happened and that's the. killer I mean the victim knows too. unfortunately we can't talk to them so.

this is what you're you're doing you're. trying to as the victim in this case and. find it to try to put put together at. least the 48 hours prior to this and. maybe they can come up with some sort of. uh motive behind it but unfortunately. when you have cases like this where. there's you know custody disputes or. disputes in domestic violence and those. kind of things that if that's evident. right we don't know if that's evident or. not but you know these are the kind of. things that um we need to do a better. job with in our society too.

I I think it's important you point out. there that you know only one person. knows the facts really in the beginning. so many times people are like what's. taking so long what's taking so long. when someone's reported missing like. this and it seems like people were. really on top of this I mean Madeline. was reported missing very quickly. because a she didn't show up for work B. didn't pick the kids up from daycare so. the police knew they you know they had a. good jump start on this because there. wasn't a delay in her being reported. missing but they still are starting from.

square one and trying to kind of look at. her and and go out you know kind of like. a ripple effect if you threw a stone. into a body of water that's kind of how. I look at these things and I I think. they probably piece this together pretty. quickly. yes they did and there will also be some. people who will complain that you know. the police department you know acted. quickly for whatever reasons this is you. had evidence of an involuntary. disappearance right from the start right.

I mean not showing up for work and not. showing up to pick up your kids those. are two giant red flags uh this is and. the fact that it looks as if she left. you know her personal belongings behind. too so that would be like three red. flags in regards to the involuntary. disappearance and the fact that she was. reported missing pretty quickly and I. try to get this I stressed this when I. when I speak to people all the time. there is no such thing as a 48-hour rule. a 24-hour rule as soon as you believe. that there's a person in danger that.

someone's missing please report that. person missing and it appears too that. her family especially her sister and. sister Megan use social media to kind of. keep the word out there about her being. missing so maybe that helped as well Joe. Jack alone it's always a pleasure to. talk with you thank you so much for. coming on to talk with us about this. thing. thank you. thanks for having me again and that's it. for this edition of Law and crime. sidebar podcast you can listen to and. download sidebar on Apple Spotify Google. and wherever else you get your podcast.

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