Man Tried to Meet Teen Girl at Donut Shop for Sex: Police

We'll treat you like a combative if. that's how you want to be treated. >> No. >> Okay. >> SWAT teams in Tucson, Arizona swarmed a. suspect that they say had driven two. hours to allegedly meet up with a teen. girl for sex. But that teen turned out. to be an undercover officer. And the man. was taken into custody on sex crime. charges. We are getting a closer look at. the takedown from bodywn camera video. And we are going to be speaking with a. sheriff and predator hunter Chris. Swanson about the details of this case. and I will tell you it will make your. skin crawl. Welcome to Sidebar,

presented by Law and Crime. I'm Jesse. Weber. 38-year-old Justin Taylorman is in a lot. of trouble out in Arizona. He is facing. felony charges of attempted sexual. conduct with a minor and aggravated. luring of a minor for sexual. exploitation. This is according to the. Puma County Court records. Now, we got. our hands on the incident report from. April 3rd, 2025 when Chrisman was. arrested, as well as body cam video of. his arrest. We got to talk about it, but.

I will tell you, this video came to us. blurred by Tucson police, but you can. still see and you can still hear what's. going on. >> Police stop or the dog. Get down. Get. down. Get down. Get on the ground. Get. down. >> Put your hands out. >> So, how do we get here? Okay, talk about. it. I want to bring in friend of the. show. Always happy to see him. Sheriff. Chris Swanson from the Jese County. Uh. so good to see you, Chris. Uh now just. give everybody a 360 here because where. are you right now? Let everybody you. have the best views of any guest and the.

variety of views. Look where you are. right now. >> Well, I uh I tell you, Jesse, my work. carries me all over the country and. right now I am standing in front of the. Lincoln Memorial. A man who stood for. emancipation and and slavery that uh. would need to be broken. those chains. And then down here, the Washington. Monument, which is a symbol of this. country and how free we are. So that's. why these cases are so important to. break those chains of slavery, which we. call human trafficking. >> I love it. I love it. So yeah, we got.

you once on a boat. We got you once in a. now we got you in DC. Next time we see. you, you might be in a Vegas casino. floor. I don't know. But it's I we'll. see what what happens. But okay, now to. get serious about this. Okay, this is um. this is a really harrowing takedown. And. I'm always curious. One of the things. that I when we talk about it is an. arrest like that. What goes into an. arrest like that? What is the feeling. like? What are you most concerned about? Because that is a really really. stressful moment. Well, what I find.

interesting is the dynamic style of. arrest. You heard a flashbang. You saw. that they were in their tack gear. You. saw that they came from multiple angles. That's what's different. This wasn't. just a, hey, get out of your car. We. want to talk to you. They knew something. about this guy's past. They anticipated. perhaps something going sideways. That's. why they shot that flax bang to kind of. disorient him and then attack and make. sure that he was down on the ground. Loud verbal commands. This was all done. very very well. There's a raid plan. That's why they knew something. This. wasn't going to be just your normal.

arrest. >> So, let's talk about this case and we. will get to that arrest as well and we. have more videos. So, according to a. partially redacted police report, Mr. Chrisman actually first started. communicating with an undercover. officer. Yeah. Back in September of last. year, that undercover officer or UC had. an account on an unknown app where a. user named Justin liked one of her posts. and sent a message. The police report. reads, "Once the suspect and I began. texting, I immediately advised I was 14. years old and the conversation soon.

stopped. On March 19th, 2025, I received. a text message from suspect asking. redacted." Then stated never mind. because he remembered her age. I again. reminded that I was 14. But again, according to this report, instead of. ending the conversation, the user known. as Justin continued messaging. Now, Chris, how common is that? You you you. see this situation where um they're. alerted to the age on purpose by the. undercover officer and yet the.

conversation continues. >> And that's why you bring up a great. point. There are so many different times. that this person could have just stopped. communicating. They realize, all right, this person's 14 years old, underage, I. need to stop. He re-uped the. conversation and then he kept it going. for weeks and weeks until he was. arrested. That shows premeditation. That. shows that the predator prey. relationship is real. >> Is there a specific way to conduct this. communication, to conduct this. conversation in in an undercover. operation, so the subject is not alerted.

to what's going on? Do they adopt. certain language or slang or terms of. younger people? I mean, how do you make. it real for the suspect? Because if. someone says, "I'm 14." And continues. the conversation, you know, I wonder if. people are like, "This seems awfully. suspicious. Why are they telling my age? Why do they What do you do? What's that? What how do those conversations happen?". >> That is an amazing question because none. of these cases would be what they are. without chatters. They are the key to.

the investigation. That means you take. police officers and detectives who are. moms and dads and people who have. families and they go into this dark deep. hole and they communicate with these. predators enough that those predators. think that's a real 14-year-old. That's. how good they have to be. And that means. the language that means the trends that. are happening and really what's. happening not only just in those. communications but also what's happening. in social media because a lot of these. predators will throw out test baits. They'll throw out a question or a uh.

some kind of an abbreviation. If you're. not up to that, then they're going to. call you out. That's how good these. chatters are. And they have to be that. good. Otherwise, you're going to lose. this case. >> By the way, have you added in a. situation or seen a situation where the. subject, the suspect says to the. undercover officer, are you a cop? What. what happens then? >> Yeah. And it's fair to say no. They say. that all the time. Are you the police? And then our response is no. Are you the. police? And then it goes past, you know, this is no different than working. undercover narcotics. When I was in. drugs, you know, we don't tell the.

person that we're buying or selling, hey, by the way, I'm the police. That's. why it's undercover. You know, there's. no expectation that we need to disclose. who we are in these kind of cases. Supreme Court has upheld that. That's. why when they ask, "No, are you a cop?". And then you just continue on. >> By the way, you know why we're able to. bring you stories like this and stay on. top of the stories that we cover? It's. not only because of the amazing support. that we get from all of you out there, but also from our incredible sponsor, Morgan and Morgan, America's largest. injury law firm. our sponsor. They're a. firm with over a,000 attorneys. You know. why they're so big? Because they win a.

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know what you call it, kink culture. Things that might be considered taboo. You see it more and more online. >> We do. And that's where those dangerous. algorithms come through. You know, social media has algorithms that when. there's any kind of a an interest or a. fetish, they get fed that and it just. continues to throw out that dopamine. dump and they want to take that fantasy. and act it out in real life. The concern. that I have is the suspect. Does he have. real kids at home? And if this was our.

case, we would absolutely interview all. those kids. Many times, Jesse, we have. folks that drop off their kids the same. age of which they're coming to meet. And. that's because they're just trying to. change the face and the name. Now, according to this incident report, the. suspect texted this UC on March 29th to. check Instagram where he apparently sent. a photo, you guessed it, of his. genitals. He allegedly sent another. photo of his genitals 2 days later on. March 31st. And then 2 days after that, April 2nd, the suspect called the.

undercover officer through Instagram. showing him performing a sex act on. himself. Now, the UC says that Justin. introduced the idea of him driving from. his home in Mesa to Tucson to have sex. with again who he thought was a. 14-year-old. That's a distance of more. than 100 miles. From the report, quote, "We agreed for him to drive to Tucson on. Thursday, April 3rd, 2025 to pick me up. from school around lunchtime. We planned. on going to my house where we would. engage in the sex acts while my mother.

was at work. Suspect advised he would. bring condoms." All right, Chris, if. this undercover officer agent were the. one to bring up the idea of meeting in. person, would that be what a lot of. people may consider to be entrament? If. they introduce the idea first, is that. not valid? >> So, let's back up because entrapment is. a defense that many times is used. Entrapment is putting bait out there. specific to catching somebody. But if. you put the bait out there like we do.

online and they come to you, that's no. longer entrament. Now the conversation. goes to, "Well, what do you want?" And. now it's undercover. So if somebody. says, "Yeah, I'm looking for some, you. know, sex." If that comes from the. suspect, then you just continue to walk. down that path. There's a lot of defense. attorneys that'll try to use that as. enttrapment, but they're already in the. cage. They're already communicating. The. age is already out there. These are the. elements of the crimes that we have to. put out there. So the enttrapment. defense on this particular case in my. opinion is not a defense. >> How quickly does it escalate to meeting?

How often does that happen in these. operations? >> Well, it depends on how uh diabolical. these predators are. This many times. we've said before is not the first time. they got this is the first time they got. caught. And when you look at people that. have gone down this trail for a number. of weeks, months, years, they're very. comfortable. And you can tell that in. the conversation. There's some predators. that we arrest within the first four or. five minutes of them being on the line. and then boom, they're coming right to. the location. Others, like in this case, take weeks and weeks. So, it is not.

uncommon. A lot of it is part of the. fantasy. You know, our chatters will. chat 100 150 people a night when they're. doing these operations and three people. show up. These other ones that you know. are chatting, many times they're just. building up that courage or they just. want to go down that path but not act. out. But it's the ones who actually know. what they're doing. They have time to. disengage. They don't disengage. They. set up this event where they're going to. pick them up from school and they're. going to be there when the parents. aren't there. They know what they're. going to do. They are so, as again, I go. back to that word premeditate. They're. so committed that if law enforcement.

wasn't there, this act would have taken. place on a 14-year-old by a grown man. >> Well, true to his word, Justin. What did. he do? He apparently drove from Mesa to. Tucson, texted the UC updates all along. the way. The UC apparently directed him. to the parking lot of Amy's Donuts where. he eventually parks. gets out of his. truck and that is when the SWAT team. moved in. >> Police stop or else the dog. Get down. Get down. Get down. Get on the ground. Get now. On the ground. >> Put your hands out. Do not move.

>> Okay, so you might be asking, why SWAT, right? Was it really that serious? Was. it necessary? Well, I will tell you. A. supplemental report explains why police. did it that way. a member of the. department's special response division, wrote, quote, Chrisman had dozens of. arrests for DV and DOC, meaning domestic. violence and disorderly conduct over his. lifetime. Social media videos as of 2023. showed him shooting a handgun at a. range. SWAT was approved to assist. Now, a second SWAT member wrote in his.

report, "I exited our vehicle and made. announcements identifying myself as. police and directing Justin not to run. and to get down. Justin stood still and. did not comply with my commands as I. approached him. Another officer deployed. a light and sound distraction device and. Justin began to turn away and move his. hands toward his waist area. I pushed. Justin in his right shoulder and he. complied with my direction to get on the. ground. And the officer noted that he. was easily identifiable as a SWAT team.

member, right? He was wearing his. uniform with a ballistics helmet, police. patches all on him. The officer. explained his show of force by stating, "I pointed my rifle at Justin due to the. serious nature of the charges, the fact. that there was a historically high level. of violence resistance from suspects. facing child sexreated charges, and my. knowledge that Justin had been armed in. the past and demonstrated proficiency. with his handgun." So, Chris, I go to. you. It seems like it was necessary. here. >> Absolutely. That's good police work. because not only do you want to make an.

arrest that is safe, but all the people. around, they met in a public place. They. met at a donut shop where people are not. expecting any kind of illegal, let alone. dangerous behavior. And if you look in. that video, you had canines, you had. swap members, you had that flashbang I. was talking about. All of it is to. distract and to make a safe arrest. They. did their investigation to find out this. guy's got history of domestic violence, disorderly conduct. He was a big dude. You didn't know what he had on him. That. is what you have to do because if things. are not planned like that, and they do. go sideways, the first question that.

people are going to ask is, "Well, why. didn't you take better precautions?" So, it's better to take all the precautions. and have a safe arrest than wish you had. and people get injured. That was done. right. >> You know what I thought was interesting. is they say when dealing with people who. are being arrested for child sexual. related charges, there's a history of. violent resistance. They've seen it. before. Um, I guess it's different if. you're trying to arrest somebody for tax. evasion or something like that, but I. guess the the point is, have you seen. that? Is that true? people who are.

accused of, you know, very serious, very. humiliating. The accusation in of itself. they may never recover from. Do you see. that? Do you see more violent resistance. in these kinds of cases? >> I think it's better said that we see a. number of emotional responses from. completely passing out, depating on. themselves, stiffening up, resisting, immediate crying, immediate denial, trying to run. There's no other arrest.

that we do that shows this array of. emotional response. Yes. >> By the way, people might be saying, "Okay, how do you know you have the. right guy?" Well, according to the. incident report, an officer called the. cell phone number that was associated. with the Justin profile and Chrisman's. black iPhone began to ring. Anyway, so. as some SWAT officers were detaining. him, others were keeping an eye on the. perimeter of the area, making sure that. no innocent bystanders end up in the. wrong place at the wrong time. Right. Take a look. >> Hi, ma'am. Tucson Police Department. Ma'am,

>> go ahead and come to me. >> Yeah, it's not for you. It's for that. guy. >> I know, but what is he doing? >> Doing bad stuff. >> Bad stuff. All right. You can come to. the rear. >> Trying to harm me. >> Come around this way. And you can go around the other exit. around the front. Okay. >> Okay. But can I ask is he trying to hurt. me? >> No. No. You're fine. You're fine. >> So officers, they get Chrisman up off. the ground. And this is when he says. something to them. Stay. >> right there, bro. No weapons on you, right? That knife.

>> No guns. >> No, not on me. >> Okay, roll on your stomach. Roll the. other side for me. >> Keys in here. >> Yeah. >> All right, dude. Go ahead and go up to. your butt. Hold on. Go to your butt. first. >> All right. Now, one, two, three. Stand. up. Can you just shoot me now? >> No. >> All right, in case you didn't catch.

that, Chrisman seemingly says, "Can you. just shoot me now?" To which the officer. replies, "No." Chris, what do you make. of that? >> That's the lowest you could go. And he. realized it. He uh if had the. opportunity, he would have taken his own. life. And he realized that all that's. flashing before him is going to cost him. everything. That's why it's so important. that you are doing your show, Jesse, that you're telling people if you're. about to act out, get the help. Don't go. down this path because everybody gets.

caught. It's just a matter of time. >> And I can imagine a prosecutor might use. that and say, you know, consciousness of. guilt. He knows he was caught. He knows. what he did. He didn't just say, "My. gosh, you know, you have the wrong guy. What's happening here?" That's that. could be a problem. All right. So, officers, they search Chrisman. They. make sure that he doesn't have any. contraband on him before he goes to. jail. And this is when they find a knife. in his pocket, but no guns. >> Wallet here. Bunch of keys in this. pocket here. Okay. Keys here. Wallet. here. Hey. >> Hey, relax, dude.

>> Don't. I'm going to tell you right now. Don't. >> We'll treat you like a combative if. that's how you want to be treated. >> No, I. >> Okay, >> then. And I'd be cool if I. >> So, one officer actually finds condoms. in Chrisman's vest pocket, catalogs them. as evidence along with his iPhone. >> I took a photo of them. >> You have a bag? >> Yeah. >> Oh, wow. >> Where were these? >> They were in his vest pocket. The right. one.

>> Like a like a biker's vest. >> Chris, how important is that? >> It's key. I mean, we take pictures of. guys wedding rings in the cup holder to. show the premeditation and the fact that. these are acts that they take out at any. one of them put a broken consciousness. and thought what am I doing? He goes. either before the arrest or plans for. it, brings condoms. It's just part of. the whole case. That's why where they. were and who took them and and the. inventory is so key. This case is done. before he even shows up. But this all.

adds to uh, you know, a complete. investigation with a plea deal at the. end. >> Now, Chris, I feel bad. I know you're. holding the phone, but I only have a few. more questions for you. Continue this. So, so Chrisman, going back to him, he. has a request as he's loaded into the. patrol car. Let's take a look. >> Can I call my dad real quick? >> What? Can I call my dad? >> No calls right now, bro. >> Just wait. >> You need those glasses or the. sunglasses? No, they're just sunglasses.

>> All right, cool. >> All right, so he wants to call his dad. And then another part of the response. team checks out Chrisman's truck, but. they can't get inside. >> Let's go check the car. >> Stay inside, please. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Nothing locked. >> Clear. [Music]. Quiet. Truck's clear for the most part. Locked.

though. >> So Chrisman is taken to the police. station and this is when he's. interviewed by two female detectives and. this is when he invokes his right not to. speak with them without a lawyer. present. But I will tell you there is. some back and forth about how exactly. he's going to get in touch with that. lawyer. Chrisman also has another. request. So he wants to be able to. contact his dad, but he doesn't want him. to know where he is or what he's been. accused of doing. H. >> All right. Do you have any questions. right now for us? >> No, I just want to know how I if I can. use my phone to get a hold of him or how.

how I need to do that. >> No, you cannot use your phone though. >> Okay. His phone his phone number is in. there. So, I I need to call him. >> So, and I didn't know if I could call my. dad or anything like that. >> Uh, not at this time. >> Is there something that we can relate to. your dad for you? >> I just want to let him know what's. what's going on cuz I'm kind of going to. kind of get worried. So, I'd like to talk to my attorney to see. >> Okay. you're not going to be able to use. your phone. >> Okay? >> So, that's not an option. If there's. someone that we need to call for you,

we'd be happy to do that. >> Okay. Um I just don't want my dad to. know why I'm here. That's I just want to. let him know that I'm that I'm here. But, um. >> well, we can't give him any information. So, if you want us to call him and let. him know that you're safe and you're not. coming back quite yet, like I I don't. know when it's going to be, but you are. going to jail today. So, >> do you know how long I'll be there? >> Well, arrangements at 8:00 tonight. >> Okay.

>> So, at least until then. >> Okay. >> Initial appearance. >> And do you know what happens to my truck. and stuff? >> It's there. It's secured on scene. >> Okay. >> Um you um also tell your dad that it's. there. Does he have keys to it? >> No, he's he's not here. He's in. Washington State or something. So, um. >> yeah, I mean, yeah, you might as well. Um, and uh, I mean, he doesn't know I'm in. Tucson. He thinks he he thinks I'm in he. thinks I'm in Mesa. So, I don't know if. you can tell him that I'm in T or Mesa.

or whatever, but I don't know. I just. want to talk to my attorney, too. So, I. don't know how I get a hold of them or. what what the process is with that. >> Okay. Um, you can contact your attorney. from jail and let them. >> I don't know his number, though. So, that's how I don't know how I can get a. hold. >> You're going to have to Google it or. something because we cannot give you. access to your phone. >> How can I Google it? as a um jail. >> Well, what's his name? >> All right, Chris, what's your reaction. to all that? >> First of all, how to tow the truck and. uh you can't leave it on scene. That. truck, if he doesn't give a consent, you.

need a search warrant to go from front. to back, go inside, make sure there's. nothing there. So, I was a little. surprised that they said it's still on. scene and somebody could pick it up. That truck should have been hooked and. uh searched. Number two, reality just. set into this guy. He just realized, I. need to call my family. Now, this is a. guy, don't forget, that has been abusive. towards either spouses or kids or. something in domestic. He was playing. the bully, then got away from it because. it wasn't as serious as this. There's a. guy who's got multiple disorderly, so he. was probably a jerk out in public and. enough so that people called the police.

So, this guy's had history of it until. today. Now, we realizes that the gig is. up. He needs to come to reality, but he. doesn't quite get to the point where he. wants to tell everybody why he's there. His humiliation is great, but he's not. at the tipping point. Uh, but every. second that goes by, he realizes that. his life is over. >> And an interesting aside, when. investigators took his phone into. evidence, they did a full download of. everything on it, and they were able to. confirm that the phone was owned or. primarily used by him. But you know how? Because based on, this is what it says.

in the report, numerous selfie style. photos, both clothed and nude, were on. there revealing a distinct goat tattoo. You know, I have no analysis for the. goat tattoo. What I can say is it's. going to be hard to say that's not his. phone. >> Yeah. And you know what? All of those. are what we call pieces of the evidence. trail. It all is exculpatory for both. sides. There's no getting out of this. You know, you want to make sure that the. chat is the guy that you're chatting. with, that the guy you arrest is the guy.

who started. And all of those pieces are. key. And that's why every little bit of. counts. A defense attorney is trying to. poke holes in that to see if there's a. break. But not in this case. You got the. chat log, you got his phone, you got his. IP address, you got the billing. information, you got the photos on the. phone. He's locked in. >> And and before I let you go, Chris, I. wanted to ask you what you think might. be happening behind the scenes because. according to the insert report, uh. investigators or they also found chats. on the app Telegram that allegedly. revealed Chrisman had been paying for. child sexual abuse material as well as.

beastiality videos. He himself was. indicted. He was released on bond. He's. had a few minor court hearings since. then, but the last couple have been. continued according to the Puma County. court records. He's supposed to make his. next appearance uh later in October. What is happening right now from an. investigative point of view? >> It's not uncommon that when we take. those phones, that's why those. detectives said there's no using your. phone, you're not going to turn it on, you're not going to search anything cuz. from the time it's in custody to the. time it's downloaded, there has to be a. complete chain of evidence. So there's. no, you know, indication that law. enforcement did anything, the phone,

added anything. So that's why they said. there's no touching it. That forensic. download is really just a mirror. It. takes the phone, it makes a mirror. image, and we go through it. On that. phone is what you just talked about. There's probably plenty of images of. underage pornography, plenty of images. that are now going to be added charges. to this case. So, he just continues to. go down a deep hole. It depends. Also, is he sending those child porn images? Is he accepting them? Is he sharing. them? Is he creating them? There's a lot. in this case. And that's why when we do. these proactive cases, they're so. critical because it would have been a.

14-year-old child. And if police weren't. there, that child would have been. sexually assaulted. And then those child. porn images would have continued to go. So this is why these cases all over the. country are so so important. My hats off. to Tucson PD. They did a great job. >> Chris Swanson, thank you so much for. coming on. It was great seeing you and. the best part about this is you got a. great arm workout in the middle. I mean. from from arm to arm. Thank you so much. Have a great rest of your trip. It was. really appreciate you taking the time. >> Appreciate you. Be safe everybody. >> And that is all we have for you right. now here on Sidebar, everybody. Thank. you so much for joining us and as.

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