Inside the Chaotic Manhunt at Brown University

There's no one that wants to put this. individual in handcuffs than us. Authorities say this person you see. right there could be someone of interest. in connection with the deadly shooting. at Brown University. But with no suspect. [music] in custody and a lot of. questions about why no one has. officially been arrested as of yet after. a prior announcement [music] of someone. being detained and released, we are. getting into the latest in this rapidly. evolving manhunt. Welcome to Sidebar. presented by Law&Crime. I'm Jesse Weber.

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others were wounded. It happened at. around 4:00 p.m. local time on Saturday. the 13th after a gunman entered the. Barus and Holley Engineering Building. with a rifle during a final exam review. for a Principles of Economics class in a. lecture hall, reportedly shouted. something and opened fire. Classes, exams, they'd been canceled. A community. is left devastated. There are a ton of. questions. And right now, we have more. details of the shooting, the aftermath, and most importantly, information about.

a person of interest, possibly a. suspect. Let's start there. Now while. authorities are still on the hunt for. this person, this suspect, the FBI is. now offering a reward. This is Ted. Docks, the FBI special agent in charge. speaking at a presser yesterday. We are also here to announce the FBI's. now offering a reward. of $50,000 for information that can lead. to the identification, the arrest, and. the conviction. of the individual responsible.

who we believe to be armed and. dangerous. We're asking everyone in Rhode Island. and beyond. to review the new images of the suspect, share them on social media, and come. forward if you have any information. And. Docks also added that authorities are. quote documenting the trajectories of. the bullets to reconstruct the scene. Now we're also going to talk about the. surveillance footage evidence in a. moment, but Providence Police Chief. Oscar L. Perez Jr. said the police are. pursuing a new lead that is based on. photos and videos of someone taken at.

around 2:00 p.m. Saturday. So this is. hours before the attack. He added, "We're asking the public for assistance. to be able to identify this individual.". And with that, the FBI has released a. flyer of more information of the. shooter. We're going to put it up right. now. The FBI is offering a reward of up. to $50,000 for information leading to. the identification, arrest, and. conviction of the individual responsible. for this shooting. The Boston Division. of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Providence Police Department, and. the Rhode Island State Police are.

seeking the public's assistance in. identifying the individual responsible. for the mass shooting at Brown. University on Saturday, December 13th, 2025. The suspect is described as a. male, approximately 5'8" with a stocky. build. The public is encouraged to share. any personal videos or photographs of. the incidents to FBI Brown University. Shooting. This person should be. considered armed and dangerous. If you. have any information concerning this. case, please contact the FBI at. 1-800-CALL-FBI. That's 1-800-225-5324.

or the Providence Police Department at. 401-272-3121. You may also contact your local FBI. office, the nearest American Embassy or. Consulate, or you can submit a tip. online at tips.fbi.gov. Now this is a massive investigation. It's being reported. You have the. Providence Police Department, its. Detective Division, the Community. Response Team, the FBI, Homeland. Security, ATF, all working together. Now. Providence Mayor Brett Smiley assured.

the public that the city is quote being. provided with enhanced police coverage. at Brown University throughout the city. because they don't know if the shooter. is still in the area. And by the way, Mayor Smiley also had to respond to. those who have criticisms of Brown. University for not preventing this, that. they aren't working with law. enforcement. That's an allegation. That. allegedly they're not releasing digital. data to identify the suspect. And also. just criticisms about the investigation. in general. Take a listen.

First of all, Brown University and Brown. Public Safety, Brown Police Department. has been a close collaborator throughout. this process. That's not true. I do I do. not accept that criticism. Oh, come on. We know that. Secondly, everyone you see behind us, we've all been working for, you know, 49. hours. We're tired. We're serious about. the task at hand. I know all of you have. been working very hard. And I suspect. all of you are just as tired. The press has been a great partner in. pushing out relevant, factual, timely.

information, and we're grateful for. that. This crowd has grown a little bit over. the last 48 hours, and I know that. people are weary. And so I'm asking, please, for a little bit of patience and. grace. And we have been fully. transparent. We continue to answer your. questions. We will continue to do so. You also had Rhode Island Attorney. General Peter Neronha who added that the. work that law enforcement did yesterday, on Monday, showed quote steady progress. Now by the way, this all comes after it.

was reported that a person of interest. was initially detained. Reportedly. picked up from a Hampton Inn in. Coventry, Rhode Island. It was reported. that authorities weren't looking into. anyone else. Mayor Smiley said Sunday at. first the people of Providence should. breathe a little easier this morning. FBI Director Cash Patel posted on social. media that the agency's cellular. analysis survey team had used cell phone. data to track the person down. It was. reported that multiple law enforcement. sources said, according to CNN, that a.

revolver and Glock handgun with a laser. sight, they were found in the hotel. room. This is someone who was described. as a 24-year-old infantry soldier in the. US Army. But then that person was. released. The police chief, Perez Jr., said during a presser on Sunday night. that there just wasn't enough evidence. to charge that person of interest. And. Mayor Smiley said the probe was going. quote in another direction. Chief Perez. said it's not a mistake, it's just how. investigations work. And he also told.

reporters on Monday this. I think that, you know, all detectives throughout this. nation and in the world, I understand. that when you're investigating a case, you take different paths. You know, you. start somewhere, you start here, and all. of a sudden something else pops up, and. you're going in a different direction. And that's what happens with cases. I'm. also going to say it was reported by the. Boston Globe that this was very. confusing because just before 5:00 p.m. that day of the shooting, the university. apparently did mistakenly say a suspect. was in custody. And about 30 minutes. later, there was an unsubstantiated.

report of additional shots fired at. Governor Street. Again, not true. So. what do we have? Well, we have the. surveillance footage that we want to. talk about, right? So authorities. mentioned initially an 11-second. surveillance video from the building. where the shooting happened. That was. released of a person walking very. quickly. They believe that's the. suspect. Mayor Smiley telling CNN quote. that this is the clearest picture we. have of the individual we believe to be. responsible, but that doesn't mean that. there isn't other evidence. Witnesses. also reportedly told authorities that.

this person may have been wearing a. camouflage mask. This is according to. Tim O'Hara, the deputy chief of. Providence Police. The subject in that. video appears to be wearing dark. clothing, a knit cap, walking down Hope. Street, rounding the corner. But then. there was additional video that was. released of this person walking and you. kind of see it from different angles, different directions. So this was. defined as this individual coming from. the area of Hope Street. Again, this was. retrieved at 2:00 p.m. on Saturday the. 13th. They say this is the same.

individual from the first surveillance. video that officials released. The problem is, as laid out by Attorney. General Neronha, there wasn't a lot of. video footage in the area. Saying there. just weren't a lot of cameras in that. Brown Building. Adding the reality is. it's an old building attached to a new. one. I don't know what to tell you, but. we're going to go out and find whatever. evidence we can to solve this case as. quickly as we can. I mean, we're not. holding back a video that we think would. be useful. And I don't think I should.

even have to say it. Now this is before. all those other videos came out. According to NBC News, this was a. first-floor lecture classroom where the. shooting happened. The doors were. apparently open because final exams were. being conducted at the time. But O'Hara. did say it is unknown how he entered the. building, but we do know that he exited. the Hope Street side of that complex. Now, taking a step back here, this is an. awful attack. Awful attack. The New York. Times reported that first-year student. Spencer Yang, who was injured in the.

shooting, helped another victim as they. were hiding from the gunman. He said, "I. handed him my water. He wasn't able to. respond that well. He was just there. nodding and making noise." Doctoral. engineering student Chang-Hang Chien, who was working at a campus lab, told. NBC affiliate WJAR of Providence, "We. decided to turn the lights off and close. all the doors and hide under our desks.". Can you imagine that? Shelter-in-place. advisory was in effect at one point for.

the 11,000 students on campus and also. for the surrounding neighborhoods. It. was lifted on Sunday. USA Today. confirmed that the university's. Department of Public Safety said it. would be more than doubling its. staffing. You had a holiday Christmas. tree and Hanukkah menorah lighting. ceremony on Sunday that was turned into. a candlelight vigil for the shooting. victims with several hundred people. gathered at Lippitt Park. According to. the Providence Journal, Rabbi Sarah Mack. of Temple Beth El said, "We gather this. evening in stunned grief, in stunned. shock. We can use our light to kindle.

more light. That is how we get through. this dark moment." Now, I want to talk. about the people who died. One of the two people killed has been. identified as 19-year-old student Ella. Cook. Her church, Cathedral Church of. the Advent in Birmingham, Alabama, announced her name as one of the people. who was killed with the Reverend Craig. Smalley saying to the congregation, "She. was an incredible, grounded, faithful, bright light. Not only growing up here. in the ways she encouraged and lifted up.

those around her, but at Brown. University, she was an incredible light. there as well." She was also the vice. president of Brown's College Republicans. with Lieutenant Governor of Alabama Will. Ainsworth saying on X, "Ella was a. devoted Christian and a committed. conservative who represented the very. best of Alabama. A bright future was. ended much too soon." The other person. killed has been identified as Muhammad. Aziz Umarzokov. The American Uzbek. Association writing on a post on. Facebook, "It is with profound sorrow. that we mourn the tragic loss of.

Muhammad Aziz Umarzokov, a bright and. promising Uzbek American student who was. killed on December 13, 2025 in the. shooting at Brown University. He was. known for his sharp intellect, kind. heart, and quiet willingness to help. anyone in need. He carried himself with. humility and compassion, earning the. respect and affection of those around. him. His curiosity, discipline, and. generosity reflected both his character. and the values of the community that. raised him. More than a gifted student, Aziz was a beloved son, brother, and.

friend. He had a future filled with. promise, and his life was cut short far. too soon. His passing has left an. immeasurable void in the hearts of his. family, friends, classmates, and the. broader Uzbek American community.". Brown senior Anika Moms told CNN's John. Berman, "Quote, I think that things are. going to be a lot different from now on, just security-wise. I'm just hoping that. they're able to learn a little more on. how we can keep the campus safer. I. think even just walking out of my house. is going to feel different." President.

Donald Trump saying to reporters over. the weekend what a terrible thing it is. and all we can do right now is pray for. the victims and for those that were very. badly hurt. But he did add at a later. date, "You'd really have to ask the. school a little bit more about that. because this was a school problem. They. had their own guards, they had their own. police, and their own everything. But. you have to ask that question really to. the school, not to the FBI. We came in. after the fact, and the FBI will do a. good job, but they came in after the. fact." University President Christina H.

Paxson said in a message to the school's. community that the shooting represented, quote, "A deeply tragic day for Brown, our families, and our local community.". So, I want to bring on right now Bobby. Chacon, retired FBI agent, attorney. Good to see you. Thanks so much for. taking the time, Bobby. What are your. thoughts on this manhunt right now? I'll. tell you, the FBI released a statement. right now on X. It says, "FBI agents and. analysts are working closely with law. enforcement partners to track leads and. gather intelligence to identify the. person responsible for the mass shooting. that occurred at Brown University.

Members of the FBI evidence response. team and specialists from the FBI. laboratory are also assisting in. processing and documenting evidence from. the scene. As the investigation. develops, the FBI will continue to. provide assets, resources, and personnel. to support our partners in seeking. justice for the victims and their loved. ones." Um, so with that in mind, what's. your take on where we are right now in. the manhunt? Well, you know, it's hard to. it's hard to start a manhunt before you. know the person you're looking for, right? Because think of all the things. that when we do know somebody, you know,

where did they go? Are they a. survivalist? Are they a city person? You. know, all the different things that go. into trying to figure out where someone. is headed when they're on the run. A lot. of that is personality-based or it's. based on that individual person. So, it's really hard to start a manhunt. Now, you can do it. I mean, the Menjivar. case a little bit was like that. You had. a basic description. Um, but until we. find out who this is So, they're working. really hard to identify who this person. is, and then you can kind of go into. that person's background, um, how much.

money they might have available to them, where they like to spend their time, um, and their skill sets. And that kind of. determines where you kind of direct your. manhunt. And then you can follow the. cash trail or the credit transaction. trails and stuff. But until you actually. definitively identify the person, the. manhunt is is skeletal at best. How. confident are you that the surveillance. footage videos that have been released. and the photos of this person are. actually going to lead to an. identification? It's really difficult to.

see who that person is. Yeah, well, right now what's happening. is they're getting more and more video. in, and they have more than they've. released. Because what they have to do, once they get it, they have to view it, right? Once they view it, they have to. figure out, is this the actual person or. is this somebody else dressed similarly. that morning or whatever that afternoon? Uh, so [clears throat] they have to make. sure it's that person. They have to make. sure the the video is legitimate. We all. know AI is out there. We know people get. a thrill for whatever reason on. forwarding fake videos.

Um, so [clears throat] so you have a lot. of stuff going on when the videos come. in. Can Can the video be enhanced before. we actually release it and things like. that? And so, they're they have more. video, and they'll be releasing it as. they get confident that, number one, it's not fake. Number two, it is the. person that they're interested in. And. number three, if they've enhanced it. where it's to the maximum extent they. can, and then they release videos. That's where the public comes in. That's. where the viewers come in. Somebody. recognizes the way this person walks or.

dresses or moves. There's one video. where he kind of puts his hands behind. his back, and he kind of just, you know, that's a particular, uh, affect that. people have. And so, like if you. recognize that person, um, then you. might pick up a phone. That's kind of. why they're pushing this video out to. kind of force multiply and everybody out. there looking becomes part of the. investigative team. How much does the, uh, $50,000 reward help? Sure, it helps in a case like this as. much. It helps a little bit. Um, it's. not like the $15 reward we see for the.

snowboard cartel leader in Mexico cuz, you know, there's a lot more poor people. in Mexico. That money can can And that's. a lot more money. I think in this case, I mean, it helps, but I don't think it's. as um, helpful as in other cases where. the a reward is much higher and the. person's hiding in a much different. place. There's been frustration on the. part of the investigation here. I mean, there was this whole idea about, well, they had a person of interest who was. detained. There seemed to be early.

signals that we got we caught the guy, and then the person was released. And as. you can see, there are a lot of. questions that are being fielded towards. authorities about what happened here. Is. this different from what you've seen? Is. this particular? Is this unique? Or are. you saying this is just an. investigation? You know, you can't fault. law enforcement for finding a a person. of interest here, um, but they looked. into it and said, you know, "wasn't. involved." Um, but you can understand. the frustration on the part of the. public where they're seeing this, and. maybe the communication was a little off.

about it. You tell me. I mean, I I I. always look at it from the. investigator's standpoint. So, maybe the. public did misperceive, but that that. person was a person of interest. It. doesn't The fact that they ruled him out. doesn't mean he wasn't a person of. interest. He actually was a person of. interest, you know. >> feel like the communications from. authorities were a little bit too. definitive, like like everybody can rest. easier. This is how we caught the guy. >> think that part of it, yes. Yes, I I I. agree that, you know, the the Providence. Police Department should not have lifted. the shelter-in-place order. Um, that's.

that's one thing that kind of lets. people know cuz that turns the person of. interest into a suspect, and that didn't. happen yet. The investigators did not do. that yet. And so, by the authorities, by. the higher-ups in the Police Department. and in the city administration, lifting. the shelter-in-place order, it tells the. public we have a high degree of. confidence that this person of interest. is the guy we're looking for. You. shouldn't do that because the. investigators haven't told you that. The. investigators are interviewing that. person. They're vetting him. They're. going through all the outside.

information that they've collected about. that person. Um, and and this is just. due diligence. I mean, we bring in. people of interest all the time. That's. why we call them people of interest and. not suspects because they're only people. of interest. We have enough. external information to make them. interesting to us and let's look at them. a little closer. Now, in a violent crime. like this, you want to take them into. custody while they're in that category. because God knows they could actually. perpetrate more crimes. So, you hold on. to them as long as legally possible or.

as long as it takes to vet them out and. say, "Okay, this isn't the guy." And so, that's that's a natural part of. investigation. That part of. investigation didn't bother me. There. were no balls dropped. There was nothing. like that. I think the one main thing. that the mistake was was to lift the. shelter-in-place too early because they. didn't listen to the investigators who. said, "Hey, we're still looking to into. this guy. We don't not sure he's the. guy. So, don't lift the. shelter-in-place." That's I think gave. the That's what gave the public mixed. signals. And what about this idea of putting.

the impetus on Brown University, uh, the. blame on Brown University? You know, uh, Rhode Island Governor Dan McKee, uh, said that there's going to be a review. of school safety measures. Brown. University seems to have been, um, criticized for having a lack of camera. footage. Um, there was an accusation. that was refuted by the mayor about, uh, do they have digital evidence that. they're not sharing uh with law. enforcement? He refuted that and said. they're they're collaborating. But Brown. University's in the spotlight right now. Your thoughts on that?

Well, I think that every time one of. these things happen, there should be a. thorough look at how it was able to be. carried out. And are there lessons to be. learned here that we can apply so that. at least in this way it doesn't happen. again. So we can kind of close some of. the gaps in our security that clearly. existed. So I'm not sure about blame. There may be blame once the. once the investigation of how this. happened is complete, then is the time. to maybe assign blame. Not not yet, I. don't think. But I do think that always.

in almost every instance where something. like this happens, it demands a thorough. examination of how it happened and are. there lessons to be learned. What is being done. >> [clears throat]. >> behind the scenes as opposed to looking. at that surveillance footage? Um I. mentioned before there was a discussion. about doing um ballistics analysis, trajectory of the bullets at the crime. scene to do a crime scene. reconstruction. What are they trying to. find there? Yeah, well, what they're trying to find. in me as an investigator what the what. I'd be most like most wanting to know is. who was the first person shot because if.

this was a targeted killing, that killer. got into that building specifically, went to that classroom specifically to. find a specific individual. When they. enter that classroom, they would have. went right to that individual and shot. them first if in fact it was a targeted. individual, which you know, it could be. So often times in these situations where. it's a an enclosed space where shooting. starts happening, there's chaos, right? You can't know you don't know the. second, third, fourth, or fifth person.

shot. But you do often times know who. the first person shot is because. nothing's happened yet. So people are. still looking around. Oh, I heard I. looked over I saw this guy walk into the. room and I saw who he shot. Then I dove. under a desk or then I ran out of the. room. So I didn't see the second one. But often times you do get some. information on the first person that was. shot. And so that's what I'd want to. know now. I would be I I'm sure on. Sunday or Saturday night they were in. that hospital they were interviewing. surviving victims and anybody else that. was in that classroom that could speak.

Now, saving of lives always comes first and. and and the caring for the wounded. obviously. So as soon as they had the. opportunity, I'm sure they were trying. to get a picture of who was the first. person shot in this room because that if. it was an intended victim, that gives. you motive and that might point you to. who did this. So I would want to know. who was the first person shot, maybe who. was the second if you have that much. time. But like I said, once that first. shot goes out, people are diving under. desks, running out the room if they can, and and stuff. And then that's when.

chaos really reigns and you can't really. get a good picture what happened. But I. I think that they can get a good handle. on who the first person shot was. Do you think that this could be somebody. who is connected to Brown University in. some way, whether. uh student, former student, faculty? Because there there were aspects of this. where it seemed there had to be a level. of knowledge, right? Like knowing the. doors might be open, it was final exam. prep time, knowing where to go. Um. is this a case where investigators then.

look to see if anybody had any grudges. against the university or that. particular class? I mean, how does that. work? Um because it seemed to be very. very specific um knowing exactly where. to go. Am I totally off with that? No, I mean you're that's the exact path. investigators are going on the one you. just described. So what you do is you. list your victims who who was in that. classroom and who was shot. Do they have enemies? Do they have like. when I first thing I heard when I heard. the you know, it was a female sophomore. from Alabama one of them was killed, the. first thing I thought of did she have a.

stalker? You know, young college girls. sometimes get stalkers. We saw that, you. know, in Idaho and things like that. So. the So look at your victims. Did someone. have a beef with somebody? Did did. someone have, you know, a romantic. relationship that ended recently? All of. those things, financial. disagreements, anything that any of. those people had going on in their lives. that could indicate um you know, a. grudge or a beef with somebody else that. might want to do them harm. So. absolutely on the right track. List. everybody that was in that room and go. through their lives and if do they do.

they have somebody that didn't like. them? Um you know, look at their social media. Did they have people that were stalking. them? And those kind of things. That's. that's that's also a large part of the. active investigation right now, I would. bet. Now, obviously the community is. very scared. Um uh there there's no. active threats uh in the area as far as. we understand. Um but there still seems. to be, you know, a sense of unease and. fear. I As far as I could see based on. the reporting, they couldn't confirm one. way or another whether this person of. interest, the suspect is still in the.

area. You heard the mayor talk about. that the city is providing enhanced. police coverage at Brown University and. throughout the city. Um what does that. mean? What does that tell you? Well, it tells me first that they're not. they don't have a definitive identity or. cause. So they don't have okay, this. person was targeted. Cuz often times. that's what you hear, right? When we. say, "Okay, the threat is this was a. targeted thing. The person was only. after this other person. They're not. looking to, you know, kill people at. large." Um they don't know that yet,

apparently. That's that's what it means. to me. They don't know if there's a. ongoing threat to the public at large um. or, you know, sometimes even if it's a. targeted it doesn't have to be a. targeted individual. It could be a. targeted group of people um a a clique. or a group of people, somebody who was. ostracized or or something like that. So. So they don't know for sure like who the. intended victim was and the motivation. behind it yet. That's what it tells me. Once they have that, once you know, oh,

this was a romantic thing, a spurned. boyfriend, a stalker, then you can say, "Okay, stand down. The community at. large is not at risk. We kind of know. what what the intention was here and. things like that." Um but they I doesn't. seem like they've gotten to that point. yet. It doesn't seem like they've said, "Okay, this is why this has happened.". But given what what we've talked about. so far, um. are you surprised there hasn't been an. arrest as of yet? I mean, to couple what. we talked about uh surveillance uh.

footage issues, a leading a student at. the Rhode Island School of Design uh. also dances at Brown University told the. Associated Press, "The fact that we're. in such a surveillance state, but that. wasn't used correctly at all is just so. deeply frustrating. I think honestly the. students are doing a more effective job. at taking care of each other than the. police." So they you know, this is an. idea of to move forward with uh. increased security at campus buildings. But at the same time, you have to wonder. people will look at this and say, "Wait. a minute. How is it possible. given where this happened,

um given the amount of manpower that's. being factored in here, ATF, FBI, Homeland Security, Providence Police, they haven't caught somebody yet. They. haven't arrested anybody yet. Is that. surprising to you?". Uh no. In a way [clears throat] yes and no. But. in a way it is because if this is a. targeted attack, then you kind of can. zero in on your suspects quickly. In. other words, if this guy had walked into. say the student union or, you know, a. quad where a bunch of people and just. randomly shot people, then it's much.

harder to get an idea. But he walked. into a specific building, into a. specific classroom where a specific. group of people were gathered. And so. that tells me that they had the. intention of going there because he. probably passed through other groups of. students to get there before he started. shooting. So why did he start shooting. in that classroom at those specific. people? That leads you to why this. happened. That leads you to who did this. and then leads obviously to to getting. the person. But as far as like grabbing. them into custody, look, if if someone.

is is hell-bent on carrying an out an. attack like this and they have the. financial resources to kind of have a. getaway ticket and to fly somewhere and. go right to an airport, it never really. surprises me that it takes a while um to. to get the person in custody. And. sometimes it it surprises me that you. haven't identified him yet. Um but. people get away. I mean, we've seen this. all the you know, a lot. Um even when. they we know who he is, the father out. in uh out west where he killed his three. kids and and then went to the woods. I. mean, you you do see people get away um.

because they planned it properly. Um it is a little bit concerning that we. haven't had an uh a reason why this. happened and uh a person identified as. who. Even if you don't have them in. custody, at least you can start. plastering his picture all over the. place and then people would maybe spot. him um like happened in the Luigi. Mangione thing when the person in. McDonald's called and said, "Hey, I. think that guy you're talking about is. is in our restaurant." And sure enough. it was. So I think that it it doesn't. surprise me that he's not in custody yet.

because that all goes into how much. planning they did, you know, post event. They said, "Okay, I'm going to do this. shooting and then I'm going to get on. this train and I'm going to go to this. place." You know, depends. Um it does. surprise me that they haven't identified. who it was yet. Specifically cuz it. seems very specific. Specific building, specific room, specific people gathered. in that room. Um. so so that that kind of surprised me. And and I'm not saying they don't. They. might have that information and for. whatever reason haven't put it out yet. I don't know. Well, let me ask you this. Um do you think there will be an arrest.

within hours, within days? That's my hope. My hope is that they. know a lot more than they're telling us. And that happens because sometimes if. you have information on who it is and. you're closing in on them, you don't. want to publicize it cuz you don't want. to spook them and put them on the run. That could be the case where they know. who it is, they don't really need the. public's assistance right now. I'm just saying this is as a. hypothetical. They could know possibly.

who it is and they're closing in on him. and they want to capture him before he. knows that they know who he is. In other. words, once he once they know, once he. sees his, you know, his name or his. picture on the news, he's going to. hunker down or he's going to take off. Right now he has a measure of security, some comfort that they don't know who he. is. If they're playing that game, if. they know who he is and they're closing. in on him and they don't want to put it. to the public because then it heightens. his awareness and he might take off. That's my hope and if that's the case,

then we could see an arrest be imminent. in the hours or days ahead. But, you. know, if that's not the case and they're. still looking for why this happened and. they don't even know who did it, then an. arrest could be further off. Bobby Chacon, thank you so much for. coming on, breaking it down for us in. real time what's happening here with. this investigation. Really, really. appreciate you. Thank you. Always a pleasure, Jesse. Thanks. And. that's all we have for you right now. here on Sidebar, everybody. Thank you so. much for joining us and as always, please subscribe on YouTube, Apple. Podcast, Spotify,

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