Idaho Murders: 6 Key Revelations from Bryan Kohberger’s Unsealed Warrants

dozens of search warrants issued in the. Idaho 4 murder investigation and many. remain sealed but there are some clues. about what detectives are trying to. find I'm Anette Levy and welcome to law. and crime sidebar podcast it's been five. months since Kaylee Gonzales Maddie. Mogan Zanna kodal and Ethan chapen were. all stabbed to death in their home off. campus near the University of Idaho in. Moscow and there's still so much we. don't know about what happened that.

night Brian coburger is charged with the. murders and he will be back in court at. the end of June for a preliminary. hearing there have been dozens of search. warrants issued in this case but judge. Megan Marshall who's presiding over the. case at this point in time on her own. motion has ordered that many of these. documents remain sealed joining me to. discuss the search warrants that we know. about in this case is Phil Waters he's a. legendary homicide detective he was was.

with the Houston Police Department. investigating high-profile homicides for. more than 33 years also the founder of. of Kinder Spirits investigations Phil. welcome back to sidebar thanks for. coming on thank you Anette it's good to. be back with you good to be back with. you too uh Phil there is a lot of. paperwork here it's hundreds and. hundreds of pages why do the affidavits. for these search warrants when we. already have a suspect in custody we. know the manner of death sadly was.

stabbing in this case why is all of this. stuff still sealed we know that the. affidavits often contain a lot of really. interesting information that can give. you some insight into the crime or at. least what the investigators are. thinking well they may be remaining. sealed by the judge's order or it may be. because there are individuals that are. named within the affidavits of the. search warrants that the officials do.

not want to have released at this point. in time so there's a variety of reasons. why they may keep those things sealed. and they'll they'll open them up at the. appropriate time in course of the. continuing. investigation and that's that would be. my take on on most of. that so there it's not surprising that. there have been search warrants issued. to a number of social media companies uh. also a number of search warrants issued. regarding ing the kar knife we know from.

the affidavit for the uh charging. documents in this case charging Brian. koberger with the murders that a kbar. knife sheath was found next to the body. of Maddie Mogan and they issued you know. these search warrants to Amazon Walmart. Kar knives directly in oene New York for. any information about sales of these Kar. knives so it sounds like almost these. are so common Phil that it might be.

difficult to pinpoint who bought the. knife when and and then used it in a. homicide I mean you might get when they. bought it but who exactly used it is. going to be the question so are they. going to maybe find byan Crow Berger's. name in one of these records is somebody. who purchased one of these knives well. that's the hope and you're right the kar. knives can be purchased in a number of. places there have been I think they have. found every possible Supply supper of a.

k bar knife and issued search warrants. and we know that of course I won't refer. to him by name but we know that the. defendant at this point in time is a. digital he's a geek he's one of those. guys and so he's you would think that he. is well adapted trying to find a way to. make those purchases if he did them. online and kind of keep them covered up. and on the other hand he may have found. a source for that knife and and went in. paid cash for it and there is no digital. footprint anywhere.

and they were asking for several models. of kbar knives and also Blu Ridge knives. I thought that was interesting so maybe. at the time that these warrants were. issued because they were asking for sale. information from January. 2022 to November of uh 2022 that's an. 11-month period maybe they didn't know. the exact knife that was used or maybe. they suspected is it possible they. suspected more than one knife was used. and maybe it was just of the same brand. but maybe not necessarily the same.

model well that's certainly the. possibility but the the sheath that he. left behind is distinguishable to a. particular more the traditional type Kar. that's on the kar website and if you go. to the kbar website there are so many. different versions of the kar knife but. that particular sheath seems to point in. One Direction now these other knife. brands I don't know don't recall if they.

named the type of knives that were found. at the parents home but those may be the. brands for those knives and so they're. just doing their due diligence here. they're going to go out and they're. going to ask for any information. regarding the purchase of those. particular types of knives and it may be. that he made those purchases at around. the same time so you kind of have a. pattern of of behavior here in regards. to the knives.

let's move on now to dating apps there. was a search warrant served on Match. Group which owns Tinder and Tinder is a. popular dating app a lot of people use. this apparently younger people for. networking not necessarily dating per se. but it requested all subscriber. information for 19 different accounts. and these names of these accounts it's. redacted in the documents so we don't. know the names but they want it from a. specific time period from November mber. 3rd to present so um this was redacted I.

guess they said it contained intimate. personal details what's the point in. keeping this redacted if we just want to. know who dating app information they. requested well that's all about. protecting those individuals whose. accounts they're trying to pull from. draw from and again we're trying to. establish a pattern of behavior here we. want to see the detectives want to see. what was the defendant what was he doing.

at the time after the murders what was. his pattern of behavior Within These. accounts who was he contacting who was. responding to him what was the nature of. those discussions and so I I I fully. understand why they're wanting to. protect the people that are only named. in those search warrants because they. happen to be in association with him at. the time so it's it's a matter of of. just of.

privacy this was another interesting one. to me too uh Phil because Reddit is that. message board it's a huge website that a. lot of people have accounts on I have. one uh Brian koberger had one for his. criminology uh work you know he had. posted information requesting people. submit information for a survey but this. requested information specifically for. Kaylee gon solis's account and. information uh regarding it from January.

to the time of the murders so is it. possible they suspect she was. communicating with somebody on Reddit or. somebody may have been trying to. communicate with. her well I think that's a that is. a you know that's one of those big. moments certainly if we've got any if we. have any communication between Kaylee. and I call him the evildoer so if we. have any any any any communication. between those two individuals prior to. certainly that's going to be huge so I I.

think from the beginning there's been an. indication that there there was some. kind of relationship between between the. evildoer and someone in that house and I. think it was of course people are. speculating speculating but if Kaylee. seems to be coming up on the radar it. would appear that and we don't know what. what moniker that he was using he may. not have been using his name he may have. been using.

some other type of a of a name to. communicate with her. and posing as someone and so that made. her feel comfortable that with this free. if there is a free exchange of. information on those. particular apps so yeah I think that's a. they're trying to you know what they're. trying to do here is uncover every. stone and they're trying to turn them. all over over and see what the.

association was with. him and those four young people and. specific to maybe one person in that. house before this event occurred which. is going to establish more affirmative. links to put him in that house or around. it and it's it's great uh it's great. circumstantial evidence surrounding this. case and I think they're going to come. up with.

maybe better circumstantial evidence. that I've seen in cases that had direct. evidence so I think I think they're. going down the right Road certainly and. they're not leaving any any stone. unturned interesting and it it's. interesting too because kayy's family. said their attorney told me and some. other people that they haven't found any. connection between Kayla and and and. Brian coburger but you know they have to. look you know I guess they have to look. everywhere to see if there ever was any. contact between any of them they may not.

know that you but like I just said we. don't know what name he was using or. what you know he was using on those on. those online apps so he may have been. communicating with them and they don't. know I mean that that's that's. reasonable to say that but it'll all get. revealed here when we get the. information back as a result of the. search. Wares I thought this next one was really. interesting Phil they sent a search.

warrant to Door Dash we know that Zanna. kodal got a door Dash delivery on the. night of the murders around 4:00 a.m. I. should say the early morning hours and. uh sadly she we know that she was. murdered a short time later she had been. eating this door Dash delivery and they. looked for and they they sought the. police did all of the deliveries to that. King Road house for that year why would. that be important in the. investigation well it shows a pattern of. behavior for the the people living in.

the. house and is this something that was. common place was this a common activity. at 4 in the morning after being out all. night long and so forth and so on was. this kind of a pattern of the folks in. the house that they order from jordash. so I don't I think they're what I know. what they're trying to do is just. establish patterns of behavior not only. with him but with. the victims so we want to find out what.

their common practice was and if this. was one of those things then the Jord. Dash food delivery at that time of the. morning may have been just something. that happened it wasn't anything that. was part of the bigger the bigger scheme. in terms of the the evildoer and what he. did and finally uh there were search. warrants served on the cordelane police. department and Moscow Police Department. forensic Labs that piqued my interest so.

why would the police serve a search. warrant on a lab at a police. department well there's going to be. digital information at those labs. whether they're cell phones laptops hard. drives whatever they may be and even. though they have a search warrant that. seizes that evidence they have to get a. separate search warrant to get into. those particular digital devices and. it's they could have couple of ways they.

could have done it they could have done. it by consent they could have done it. because the phones were abandoned in. some form and they wouldn't necessarily. need a search warn I know in Texas that. under those circumstances you don't need. a search warrant but the my food it's. always been the the thought that if you. have time to get a search warrant get. the search warrant so that's what. they're doing here they don't want any. issues coming up in later prosecution.

where they where the defense attempts to. suppress the digital evidence that's. retrieved out of these recovered from. these digital devices so it does take. two separate search warrants to get the. device and then get the information off. the. device well Phil Waters veteran homicide. detective extraordinaire thanks so much. for joining us to talk about what we. could talk about regarding what was in. these documents a lot of it still sealed. which is a little frustrating but we. appreciate your time nonetheless oh.

thank you for having me back and that's. it for this edition of Law and crime. sidebar podcast you can listen to and. download sidebar on Apple Spotify Google. and wherever else you get your podcasts. and of course you can always watch it on. Law and crimes YouTube channel I'm. Anette Levy and we will see you next. time.