‘Hero’ Dad Takes Down Alleged Oregon School Shooter: Report

374 for an active shooter at Silverwell. Elementary. >> We are heartbroken. [music] We are. horrified. This is the kind of thing you hear about. in other places and pray that it never. happens here. And it has happened here. [music] We have more details in this. horrific, horrific [music] mass shooting. at an elementary school in Oregon. yesterday, including information about. the [music] possible weapon that was. used and the hero who reportedly took. the shooter down. [music] Welcome to. Sidebar. presented by Law and Crime. I'm.

Jesse Weber. [music] We have another school shooting. and as we try to understand what. happened, the questions that we're. asking right now are the same. They're. the questions we always ask. How and. why? It's the same. And right now, we. have brand new information. It came in. from Oregon authorities. This is part of. a Friday afternoon press conference. Take a listen. >> My name is Miller. I am the. communications manager for the Ben. Police Department.

I want to thank the public and the media. who have been patient as our law. enforcement personnel conduct a complete. and thorough investigation. We know that you have a lot of questions. and we will do our best to share what we. can without putting our investigation. into jeopardy. I want to give you a quick rundown of. the order of events today. First, we will hear from Ben Police. Chief Mike Grants, who will provide a. recap of yesterday's information and. then we'll share new information that we. can offer today.

You will then hear from Ben Le School. Superintendent Steve Cook and then from. Holly Harris, the Dash County Health. Services Director. At the end of their remarks, we will. provide a statement from one of the. victim's families and then we will have. the opportunity for questions. Please. hold your questions until that time. We also want to share that the FBI has. created a sip line. You can call. 1800paul SBI or you can go to. www.fbi.govsrail.

school. We'll now turn it over to Chief Mike P. >> Thank you. I'm Mike Grant and City Bent. Thank you for being here this afternoon. First, I want to start today by. acknowledging and grieving with the. students, families, school staff, and.

neighbors who got affected by the. incident at Silver Rail Elementary. School yesterday. My heart goes out to. each and every one of you, and I know. our community supports you. Yesterday. was a terrible day for our community and. I appreciate the thousands of people who. showed up at last night's vigil at night. park because you care about each other. and that mattered. Some of you brought. food, some of you brought questions and some. of you just came to be close to other. people sharing your same grief. Deputy.

Chief Clansky and I attended this event. and I was overwhelmed by the outpouring. of support and love we have shown. neighbor to neighbor. That is what our. community looks like. To our first responders, you showed up. in the hardest hours. We saw all that. you did and we are grateful. You reign. accord the worst thing any first. responder can ever confront in our work. with courage and compassion. Thank you. To the people who showed courage in the. face of such violence and intervene to.

prevent this tragedy from being any. worse. We owe you a debt of gratitude. and to the school district personnel. follow protocol with lockdown, evacuation, and reunification to keep. your students and staff as safe as. possible. Thank you for your help. I know many of you are asking hard. questions and some of you are angry, scared, and simply exhausted. Those are. all valid feelings. The benefits department with all of our.

partners are diligently working to. answer all the questions. and conduct a very thorough. investigation. Today, I'm going to share specifics to. this investigation that are hard. They're hard to hear and they're hard to. accept. Our goal is to share abundant. information that we can stand behind and. be sure of and not to speculate. This is. still an active and open investigation. and my goal is to be be as open with.

information that I can while not. jeopardizing any piece of this case. To write a recap of yesterday's. information that I released last night. at 12:59 p.m. on Thursday, October 15th, the county dispatch received a 911 call. from a person in a vehicle who reported. being shot at multiple times by a person. with a long gun. Dispatch received. dozens of 911 calls reporting that a. shooter had entered the building at. Silver Rail Elementary School on. Southeast Stone Creek Lane in Ben.

Dispatch used a tone to alert all law. enforcement at 1 p.m. 1 minute later. Officers responding to the scene. directed the school to go into lockdown. at 101 p.m. Our first officers arrived. on scene at 102. And moments later, officers reported the suspect have been. shot by a community member who had seen. the sub suspect enter the school and. pursued him into the school and engaged. him, shooting him several times. Five people succumbed to their injuries.

at the scene, including the suspect. The. deceased at the school scene included. three children ages 5, 8, and 11, and. one 25-year-old teacher. One 7-year-old child and one 54 year old. teacher were transported by Ben Prior to. St. Charles Ben with critical injuries. All students and staff at the scene were. transported by Ben McI schools. buses to. Journey Church for re reunification with. families and guardians.

The new information I want to share. today, a little bit of a recap as well. At. approximately 12:58 p.m. Thursday, October 15th, two vehicles were. traveling westbound. on Grand Avenue near Silver Rail. Elementary School near Square number. one. At that time, the suspect approached the. fence area of the school from an. undeveloped area near Ena Avenue. The suspect crossed the street, threw.

his weapon over the fence, and climbed. the fence onto the school property. The. driver of a red Toyota pickup truck. miniscus, and verbally confronted the. suspect. The suspect fired at the. pickup, striking it at least three. times. After the red pit was fired upon, the. driver continued down the street and. made this initial 911 call. The driver of the second vehicle, a. 36-year-old man whose children do attend. the school, also witnessed this initial. shooting incident. He drove into the.

elementary school parking lot where. square number two is. The suspect walked westbound along a. south side of the school and forced. entry through an external set of double. doors. number three. He fired multiple. rounds into the glass panes in the doors. to gain access to the school. The suspect went directly into the. classroom immediately to the left of the. entry doors where fired as many as 15. rounds overall. Although the exact.

number fired in the classroom is still. under investigation. All of the victims. were shot in that classroom. Three types of ammunition were used by. the suspect over the course of this. incident. All 12 gauge bird shot, buckshot, and slugs. The 36-y old man parked the school took. out a 40 caliber pistol that was legally. secured in his vehicle and carried it. towards the school. As he made entry through the forced open.

doors, he heard shooting and saw a. teacher involved in a physical. altercation with the suspect. He then. went to the classroom where the struggle. was underway, fired his weapon, striking the suspect multiple times. In the classroom, an injured. seven-year-old girl. who was receiving life-saving care at. the scene is currently receiving. treatment at OSU. She is in serious. disabled condition. The injured 54 year old female teacher. suffered serious life-threatening.

injuries and is currently receiving. treatment at St. Charles. Officers and medics on scene attempted. life-saving care on one boy at the. scene. Two other children, both boys and. a teacher were deceased when officers. arrived. The 5-year-old boy is identified at the. request of his family as Rome. At request of the other all families, we. will not be releasing the identity of. the child victims.

The teacher who was killed has been. identified as 25-year-old Megan Lambert. of Bend. They will share her family. statement at the close of their. testimonies. Arriving officers on scene located a. Maverick 88 pump and 12 gauge shotgun. near the suspect as well as a backpack. In total, the suspect had approximately. 44 remaining rounds of 12 gauge. ammunition on his person or in his. backpack. In addition to the 36-y old man who.

bravely stuffed him to stop the suspect, I want to highlight another person whose. took action we need to recognize. A. teacher in the classroom threw her cell. phone at the suspect and then tackled. him and fought to take the firearm from. him. She was not injured in that. incident, but she almost certainly. helped prevent more bloodshed. Part of this investigation, we activated. a major incident team. Roughly 150 law. enforcement and first responder. personnel have been involved in this in. investigation and we are thankful for. their assistance.

They're extended in but I'd like to give. a special thank you to the county. sheriff's office police department. police the FBI the ATF and multiple. other partners from far and wide from. around the state and our federal. partners who have come to support us. through this very difficult situation. Our crime scene analysts completed a. digital scan of the entire scene last. night. We have collected evidence and. executed a search warrant at the home of. the suspect and interviews are ongoing.

Officers on scene this morning completed. a second walk through of the scene to. determine his additional evidence. Our. team has not does not intend to. relinquish the school crime scene until. Tuesday of next week at the earliest to. ensure our search for evidence is. complete. The app victim assistance. advocates will work with the school. district to assist people who want to. collect the belongings from the. unaffected areas of building. We will identify the suspect in this.

case one time in this case one time. I. will not say his name again. The suspect is identified as 16-year-old. Griffin J. John II. He previously. attended Sober Elementary and we believe. he traveled to the school on foot. Although that route remains under. current investigation, he is not. currently enrolled at Ben schools. The suspect got the weapon and. ammunition remains part of the active. criminal investigation and I will not be.

able to address any portion today. Um. this remains a very active investigation. and while we know that you have many. questions, not all of them will be. answered today and some of them may. never be answered. Please hold the victims of this tragedy. Family. and your community in your hearts with. me. Support them. Support each other and. use the resources that will be mentioned. today at them. Thank you.

>> Thank you. Next, we'll hear from. Superintendent Steve Cook. Today I'm coming to you at the meeting. with Silver Rail Elementary staff. They're in so much as we all are. They.

were gathered to support each other, to. share, and to comfort each other. I assure you this tragedy has had a. substantial impact to them and all of. our school employees. They're bringing the loss of a colleague. and three students. like our families. Our staff need time. and privacy and so much support right. now. I soon hope to be speaking with the. families of the victims as well.

As chief mentioned, victim's assistance. is engaging with the families currently. I want our families to hear directly. from me that we stand with them and we. support them. To all of our steel rail families, we. are deeply committed to supporting you. through every stage of this crisis. This has been a terrifying and traumatic. experience that will affect us all. profoundly for years to come.

I want to thank them all for their. courage, for their support, and for. their care for one another during this. time. Silver Wheel families are showing our. community. how to wrap our arms. around our children. to comfort and love and remind them that. the adults in their schools.

and in their lives deeply care about. them. I also need to acknowledge our staff. member. who fought in the safety of the children. who engaged a suspect. I also need to acknowledge. the community member who risked life by. entering the school. and did not hesitate to step in.

Thank you both for intervening on behalf. of our students. I believe your action saves lives. Today in the days ahead, we are focused. primarily on crisis response support to. everyone in our community and to anyone. who's seeking help. The initial reports. of the crisis uh counseling that are. going on at Central Library has been. that hundreds have shown up to receive.

that support. We will continue to provide access for. this community. We are in the process and will begin as. soon as law enforcement allows us to. once the investigation is complete. to investigate our own emergency. response procedures. All of our safety planning and. everything that is relevant to this. invent events in investigation. schools has invested heavily in school.

safety, secure entries, door locks, security cameras, security fencing. We. have a wonderful partnership with Tash. County Sheriff's Office and Bella uh Ben. Police Department. We practice lockdowns with students and. staff twice a year. Every school we. train law enforcement and emergency. responders every year. Rest assured, we will take a hard look at everything. and that we have done and what more.

needs to be done to ensure that our. students, our staff, and our families. are safe in our schools. Thank you. >> Thank you. Finally, I'd like to invite up Holly. Harris is the county health services. director. Good afternoon. My name is Holly Harris. I am the director of shoot county health.

services. First, I want to acknowledge. the profound grief, fear, and pain our. communities here in. We are mourning the. children and educators whose lives have. lost. And we hold their families, loved. ones, classmates, colleagues, and. everyone affected close in our hearts. Today, I'm here to share the support. available to students and families, school staff, first responders, and all. community members impacted by this. tragedy.

Our community has responded with. extraordinary compassion. We have. received offers of assistance from local. partners, businesses, individuals, the. Oregon Health Authority, elected. officials, and the governor's office. And we are deeply grateful for that care. and support. We have set up a link on the Dashes. County webpage at dashutescount.gov. where individuals who are trained to. offer mental health supports can sign up. and offer their services. We ask that. you utilize the form and we will follow.

up with you. Please do not head directly. to the locations where services are. being provided. The county health services is providing. immediate support today and will. continue to be here in the days and. weeks ahead. Early today from 10:00 a.m. to 3 pm at. Ben Central Library. We provided support. to well over a 100 individuals. I think. it was close to 200 individuals and. families. A second support event will be. held this afternoon from 4 to 7 at Larks. Larksburg Community Center.

Additional support will be available on. Saturday from 1 to 6 and Sunday from 1. to 4 also at LARS Larks Community. Center. We are actively working to set up. additional supports for the weeks ahead. and will share the locations and times. for those events as soon as they become. available. These services are free and open to all. students, families, school staff, and. community members. Trained professionals. will be available to provide safe, compassionate space, help people.

understand common reactions to trauma, and correct individuals with in with. additional support and resources. If you have been affected, please know. you do not have to face this alone. Seek. help is a sign of strength and support. is available. For immediate crisis support, the county. stabilization center is open 247. The 988 suicide and crisis lifeline is. also available 24 hours a day by call or. text. In the days ahead, we will.

continue to stand with one another, care for one another, and help carry one. another through this unimaginable loss. Please make use of these resources and. share with anyone you are concerned. about or that has been affected. Thank. you. >> Thank you, Holly. Um, I want to. highlight uh Ro Summer's family uh. provided an image of him. We will. include this image and the following. image um in a press release that we'll.

put out after this probably be out in. the hour for this press. Um and I would like to share Megan. Lambert's family statement. There's. to tell you about Megan was would take. 25 years. Megan was a native central Oregonian. She grew up in Bent. She has a pass. She. had a passion for playing sports, especially volleyball. She was a.

volleyball coach. She actually turned. down for her first season as a coach. Families couldn't afford to participate. without the chance to play the sport she. loved. Her goal was to be an educator. and teach in the school district she. loved, Brington. She graduated from. Mountain View High School in 2019. She. graduated from Boise State in May of. 2023. She traveled abroad to Barcelona, Spain. with Teflas.

Silver Rail was her first job as a. teacher, though she studied there for. many years before through High Desert. EST. She loved Silver Rail. This was her. dream job. Megan was compassionate and had a huge. heart. She always fought for the underdog and. those with special needs. She was an. incredible sister, daughter, niece, and. granddaughter. Her friends became her. family. She was funny and opinionated,

and she lit up the room. We want the. bystander who intervened to know we know. he's going through a rough time, but we. are grateful and we think he is a hero. You selflessly put yourself at risk for. others. We like the other families to know that. you're in our thoughts and prayers. Megan loves his children and so we will. show new love to her. The rest of the families and and in fact.

all of the families have asked for. privacy. They've provided this and would. ask you to keep that private. to private. car. Now, while last night hundreds of. people gathered together for a. candlelight vigil in Drake Park, today. the school was reportedly still secured. off with crime scene tape. School. classes, activities canled as this. investigation is continuing. Local FBI. agents are assisting with that.

investigation. This is according to FBI. director Cash Patel. The New York Times. is reporting that people have created. these makeshift memorials around the. school, candles, stuffed animals, crayons on sidewalks. It's being. reported that Ben Leine schools, the. Dashuites County Health Services, St. Charles Health System, they are going to. be providing immediate free counseling. and crisis stabilization tools for. families, staff, and community members.

Now, before I go into this interview, it. should be noted I did this interview. before the information about Caleb Giamo. came out before the identity of the. shooter was reported or the suspected. identity of the shooter uh came forward. or was reported. So, I just want that to. be clear as we go into this. conversation. But here you go. I got a. special guest to talk about this. Daniel. Bruner, former FBI special agent, crisis. management expert, FBI SWAT, tactical. operations team leader, extensive. experience in crisis situations, and.

he's got this brand new podcast, YouTube. show, and you got to see it on. Instagram. Bruner and Frene, thank you. so much for coming on. Before we even. get started, just because I'm so. excited, we had been talking about um. you launching this new program. for. anybody who doesn't know or interested. quick synopsis about what they can find. on that. >> Great. Thank you for having me on again. I'm always enjoy being uh one of your. guests. So the the Brun Fente is kind of. a it is a program which I'm directing.

towards the Latin American community, but it's translated in English and. various languages. We just talked about. this where I'm going to be talking about. various subjects that are in the news. right now. whether it be law enforcement. giving an idea of what's you know in the. mind of an FBI agent uh or you know how. is this case being worked and much of. the same things that we're doing here of. how is an investigation happening what. are they doing now if there's a manhunt. what are they doing and talking about. also historical cases that are in the. back hostage rescue team FBI cases I'm.

also going to be talking my co-host is. from Chile and we'll be talking about a. lot of great cases amazing cases that. have been uh taken down overseas in. Latin America. Uh, so my really my. target I speak Spanish fluently. It's my. first language. So that's why I wanted. to do this was for the Latin American. community, but it's going to be, you. know, also translated. >> I watched your videos. I didn't realize. how fluent you you were. It was amazing. to watch. So I hope everybody can check. it out. Um, but now um I I want to talk. about this and I wish it was under.

better circumstances. I wish I didn't. have you on to talk about this another. school shooting. Um, but I wanted your. expertise in this about what is. happening right now in the. investigation, the how and the why and. with FBI Director Cash Patel had saying. yesterday that the FBI uh was on the. scene to help with the investigation. What does that entail? What do you think. is happening? [sighs]. >> Unfortunately, obviously, we're here. again another unfortunate school. shooting. Uh and unfortunately children,

you know, have lost their lives and. families have been destroyed uh due to. this situation. But the FBI is, I'm. sure, coordinating with uh state and. locals and they're coordinating and. determining the investigation. Obviously, the the shooter has been. neutralized. He's no longer, you know, a. part of us. He's no longer going to be. an investigation, but they're still. going to be investigating everything. just as if he were still alive to find. out how he obtained the weapon, his. pathway to violence, where the red flags. that we could have seen uh on the way,

where could it have been avoided, what. weaknesses, how did he gain access to. the school, if he did gain access to the. school, and all along the lines of where. there were red flags. That's the most. important part is and where it could. have been uh prevented or avoided uh. with something missed. I. >> I want to get into that in a second. Uh. in terms of the actual crime scene. though, right, how they actually process. the scene, collect the rounds, determine. how many shots, the direction of fire, how far the shooter got in, if the. reports are correct, that this shooter.

shot the doors open to get into the. school. Um how was that? How do they. process the scene? Because as I said, it. still seems that it's cordoned off with. crime scene tape at this hour. >> I think that at this point right now, it's if if there's a state entity, which. would be obviously the state police of. Oregon, my guess would be that they will. be handling the evidence response and. they are going to handle the evidence. since this is going to be a state. investigation. But, uh, the FBI division. out there in Portland has some of the.

best resources for evidence collection. So they'll be, I'm sure, working hand in. hand, letting the state police take the. lead and providing, you know, backup. resources or filling in gaps for. wherever they need. But my my guess. would be that the the Portland uh or the. Oregon State Police will be handling the. scene, handling the evidence collection. uh throughout that scene, and then the. FBI will be more there of as a resource. to fill in the gaps or if there are. leads that are in other states. I want.

to get into this new reporting as I. mentioned before that this suspected. shooter potentially used a pumpaction. shotgun that it was maybe purchased by. his mother. This is again according to. uh the Associated Press. A law. enforcement official uh briefed on the. shooting reportedly spoke with the. outlet. Tells you something about the. rate of fire, tells you something about. the weapon. Um and in my understanding. in Oregon, um miners can legally possess.

firearms, not necessarily handguns, but. perhaps a long r a long uh you know long. gun if we're talking about a pumpaction. shotgun, but they would have to have. their parents consent to it, right? And. they this also couldn't have been a. felon, not under the supervision of the. court. So if this is we're taking it as. true, it is telling us something, isn't. it? >> Well, it is. A lot of things are are are. showing us the the direction of travel. with this with this case. Obviously, if. his the mother [clears throat] purchased. the gun on her behalf and it was her.

shotgun, then did the did the the young. man take it from her or, you know, unknown or did she purchase it, [clears throat] excuse me, as a gift to. him? Those will be the questions because. we've already seen in in the last year. or two uh from previous mass shootings. where children were involved the parents. being charged. So, we could see that and. I'm sure that's being considered uh. bringing her up on charges for neglect. or failure to secure a weapon or along.

those something along those I guarantee. that those are being considered right. now as as possible charges for him or. for her, excuse me, for the mother or if. there was a stepfather or father. involved. So obviously a lot will be. seen but the fact that he used a shotgun. it shows I would hate to say this but um. failure to really think because with a. shotgun you you you have maybe six. rounds and then you have to start. reloading. So if if there were other.

weapons that he had at his disposal, I'm. sure we're going to find out. How did he. get taken there to the school? Was he. did he drive himself? Was he dropped. off? If he was dropped off, then we. really have a co-conspirator because. >> and we don't know that for sure to be. clear. >> We don't know exactly. We don't know how. the transportation, but you have to look. at every one of these scenarios. Any. good investigator will look at. everything as a possibility. How did he. get there? I'm sure they've already.

determined how he got uh to the school. If he walked, uh why wasn't he observed? If um if if there was other, you know, red flags. I mean, he had to have gotten. from A to B and having a shotgun is. quite apparent to most people to be. walking around with a shotgun, you know, either slung across the back or in your. pocket or so that the investigation will. determine all that. >> Now, I also I did a preliminary review. of Oregon uh law on this and I believe.

there are requirements regarding secure. storage uh child access prevention, how. they have to be locked and loaded. Um, so it will be questions that will. develop during the course of this. Um, but it's interesting because if you hear. the reports, there were first these. shots at a car, right, and then at the. school. And also, I just have to call. out how quick the response was. I mean, if you that response from law. enforcement, from authorities was what, three minutes, two minutes. It's it's.

pretty incredible. And thank goodness. for that bystander, that good Samaritan. who went in there and neutralized the. target. But you think about the harm. that could have been done um if that. didn't happen. That said that that I. thought was quite significant to call. out as well. >> Absolutely. The the the fact that the. good Samaritan knew not only here's. there's multiple things that the good. Samaritan did that this individual did. this supposedly a father of a student.

We don't know that. Um, but there's a. number of things that the this. individual clearly did or else we would. have known is the fact that the. individual obviously probably hopefully. trained with a firearm. So he and that's. one of the things that people often ask. me what's the best way you know getting. a firearm just to show it. That's the. wrong way. getting a firearm and you. train with it, prepare for it, know how. to reload, know how to draw, but that is. only half of the the the situation. The.

other half is how to deal with a. scenario, you know, as it's developing. For example, let's say you're in a mall. and you there's a there's a there's a. shooting in the mall and you decide to. draw your weapon. You have to understand. that not only are you drawing your. weapon, but other people are going to be. drawing their weapon and they might not. be as trained. So you are now becoming a. target. Also, when those police officers. responded within three minutes, clearly. this individual had his weapon holstered.

because they don't know what the. situation is. They don't know the. scenario that's happening. All they know. is that this shooting is involved at the. school. They were advised by dispatchers. that the shooter had been neutralized, but that again information is very iffy. So what they have to do is they have to. proceed that the shooter still active. And if they walk in and this individual. still had his gun out, there's no doubt. that those those police officers would. have given him a quick warning and then. probably shot him. So that is the. [clears throat] the fact that the.

individual not only followed him and and. saw a potential threat and engaged with. the shooter and then properly, you know, handled the situation post shooting is. is really commendable and and really. outstanding. >> Going back to the question of how and. why, how would the shooter have done. this? Why would the shooter have done. this? Going through the digital. evidence, right? Going through online. chat form, chat forums, social media. messaging, um, text messages. What goes. into searching the digital footprint and.

you know, you think 16 years old, teenagers, they live with on their. phones, they live online. Are you. confident that there will be that. digital footprint that provides. potential evidence about or about what. the what the planning was, what the. motive was? Um, you know, I I you would. think that would be the case with a. teenager, but a what goes into searching. the digital trail, the digital files, and b are you confident that might.

provide the answers as to the the why at. least? >> Well, what goes into the searching of. the digital files is literally. everything. I mean, they're going to. look at every aspect that he touched. The fact that he's 16 years old, they're. going to have not as much of a digital. footprint as if it were be an adult, but. yet at the same time, social media, phone, laptops, computers, everything in. his home has already been seized and is. already in possession and and is already. being analyzed and being dumped and.

brought down for evidentary purposes. again because even though the shooter is. dead, the the mother still is could be. charged. There could be co-conspirators, there could be friends. So every piece. of evidence has to be collected. correctly for possibility of a court. case in the future. So everything is. being collected to determine the trail. and determine what's called the pathway. to violence and figure out where this. pathway to violence began. Where did. this 16-year-old all of a sudden go off.

the trail, go off of what was considered. the norm? Where did he decide that he. had no other recourse but to go to an. elementary school and conduct this. horrific incident? So, that's what. they're going to determine is to find. out what the red flags were and. unfortunately, you know, even at the cost of three is. to find out what can be prevented in the. future. What red flags were not seen? That's the key. So that's the most. important thing. It's right. How do you. prevent this? And even when we get a.

full understanding of these school. shooting cases, it doesn't necessarily. prevent the next one, but it can help. It can prevent it can help whether it's. a change in legislation. >> Listen, if it. if it prevents one school shooting, it. that's that's it's a success. >> So that's the question now. When does. the public get more information about. this, about the shooter, about the. evidence, about potential, again, there's no evidence to support that. there's co-conspirators or anything like. that, but let's say for presuming there.

is, when would we get more information. about this um to understand what. happened here? >> And this is one of the things I talk. about with you guys in the media and. everything and especially with incidents. like this and that that there is a mass. desire for information. We as the. public, and I consider myself we. obviously has been retired now for three. years. We as the public really want to. know the facts of everything that's. going on. We want to know. We have to. feed that beast. But do we need to know?

No, we do not need to know. The the the. best recourse is keeping 80% of the. information that is being collected. internally for the investigators. don't. want information to leak where that. could lead to another in person being. arrested or information that leads to oh. we we already know that there was a. co-conspirator and that co-conspirator. can you know you know fly out of the. country fly and escape. So there's. there's a lot to be said and also.

putting evidence out there in the public. before it's had a chance to be put in. discovery and going to court cases and. and going through the proper judicial. process. So I don't know if we are going. to know the full extent of everything. that's happened um anytime soon. I think. they the we have to get bits and pieces. of it. The law enforcement have to give. us you know press conferences because. can't completely shut us out because.

then by shutting us out we then start to. theorize. we then start to become and. create, you know, I hate to say it, but. you know, conspiracy theories and then. that's how they that's how that's how. they come in. So, >> I think we'll get bits and pieces a. little bit every day. Um, but the the. real meat and potatoes of it to find out. exactly what happened. I mean, heck, look at the Las Vegas shooting. We still. don't know what happened. >> We still don't know. I always call that. out. We still have no idea what. happened. >> We still have no idea what his motive.

was. And that was an individual much. older who's been around for many years. and there's a huge digital footprint, but they couldn't figure that out. So, I. don't know. We'll I think we'll see. >> You go to this idea of preparation. So, um the Bend uh police department chief. uh Mike Cran said that officers um every. Ben police officer goes through a full. day of active threat training. They do. it at a local high school. Uh it was. quoted as saying, "Unfortunately, this. is something we train for on a regular. basis and we must." You also think about.

how do schools prepare? What do schools. do? How do faculty, staff, uh, school. resource officer, kids, are they trained. on this? Are they do they have. >> preparations for this? How do you. prepare for something like this? >> You listen, there's a there's a fine. line between at each level. So, at the. at the child level, you don't want to. really, and listen, I am not a. psychologist. I'm not somebody who. knows, but. >> right, you don't want to be telling. children,

>> you know, we're we're preparing for an. active shooter drill. I mean, and they. call it something else. You know, you. know, every school has a different term. for it. So, I know that that that's. that's a little bit different for the. school children. For the school resource. officers, they're trained obviously in. the same aspects as the rest of their. police department, and that's good. You. know, how to properly respond to a. threat. and I received training as an. FBI agent and we were not really first. responders. The FBI agents are not first. responders, but I received uh active.

shooter response training from um from. Israeli special forces who had, you. know, traveled to New Jersey. And I. received training is that, you know, when you hear a shooting, you run over. the bodies. You run over people that are. injured begging for help. You get to the. threat. You you want to get to that. threat before it becomes more of a. problem. and and more people die because. you stopped to help an injured person. But the going to the question of how do.

we secure the schools? That's the difficult part. That's the. difficult part because I've been to many. many schools in my years in 20 25 years. Some schools are locked down fortresses. They're fantastic. But those are. typically the schools where there is a. expected danger. There's, you know, whether it be local crime or gangs. It's. the schools like Bend, Oregon, like, you. know, somewhere in rural New Jersey. where there's a little bit of more of a. concern, but there there's a lot more.

laxidasical of like, well, you know, we. have the locked door, but, you know, we're only going to lock it between 10. and two. And then there's times when. kids want to come in and then and there. seems to be more because it's not going. to happen here. It's it we're a good. quiet community. Those are the ones that. I'm most concerned about that, you know, their their intentions are good, but and. and what I always say is practice, you. know, practice like you preach and, you. know, practice, you know, like you're.

fighting, you know, fight like you. train, train like you fight. And if. you're not going to implement the actual. prevention, the preventative measures, then you're you're leaving yourself open. for possibility mistakes. >> And it's like what the superintendent. said, you hear about these school. shootings, they think they'll never. happen here. that it'll never happen. here and it happened here. It's just. it's it's so awful. It's so awful. Um. it's horrible. Listen, listen, Daniel. Burner, thank you so much for taking the. time. Uh really appreciate it and um you. know, again, I wish it was under. different circumstances, but this is.

where we find ourselves. Thank you, sir. >> This is where we find ourselves. Unfortunately, like I said, it was the. number and I saw that I saw the numbers. this morning. The number of school. shootings since 2010 has gone up every. single year. The number of shootings. that occur at schools. >> The fact that we are becoming so. numb to this is concerning. I'm glad. that there was an individual there who, you know, was able to stop the shooter, but I horrifically think in, you know, I.

was there, not not physically there, but, you know, I was in New Jersey when. Sandy Hook happened. >> Yeah. >> And it was and I was born and I was. raised in Connecticut, so it was my. neighborhood. It was my people there in. Connecticut that suffered. So, just. thinking about the possibilities that. this could have been as bad as another. Sandy Hook is is shivering. But, uh, hopefully we never have to meet like. this again. >> Yeah, Daniel, thank you so much. >> Thanks. >> It's all we have for you right now here. on Sidebar, everybody. Thank you so much.

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