Explosive Epstein Emails Reveal Possible Trump Ties as Ghislaine Maxwell Seeks Release

A lot to talk about. First, new. information from a purported. whistleblower, [music] suggests that. Galain Maxwell, who was convicted of. helping Jeffrey Epstein traffic underage. girls, may be trying to cut her 20-year. [music] prison sentence short. A source. also alleges she's receiving VIP style. treatment behind bars, from customized. meals to private visits, even a service. puppy. And now, the story has just. shifted even further. A House committee. has just released never-beforeseen. emails from Epstein's estate that for.

the first time directly mention. President Trump, shedding new light on. the world Maxwell was operating in and. [music] the powerful figures that may be. connected to Epstein. We're going to. break it all down for you right now with. a former federal prosecutor and criminal. defense attorney. [music] Welcome to. Sidebar, presented by Law and Crime. I'm. Jesse Weber. By the way, one of the reasons that. we've been able to stay on top of this. Maxwell story, the Jeffrey Epstein. story, is because we get incredible. support from our sponsors like [snorts].

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abuse underage girls. And now she might. be trying to walk her way out of a. 20-year prison sentence. And the real. question is, could it work? Will she be. a free woman? The House Judiciary. Committee claims that a whistleblower. has now provided information and. documents suggesting that Galain Maxwell. is preparing a commutation request, a. formal plea for President Donald Trump. to cut her sentence short. And according. to the committee, these same sources.

indicate she could be receiving. extraordinary help from inside the. prison itself, even from the warden. We're talking about alleged customized. meals, private visits, a service puppy. Apparently, according to this. whistleblower, one prison official. reportedly remarked he was quote sick of. having to be Maxwell's, you get the idea. So, what is going on. here? Would the Trump administration. even consider this? And after everything. we know about Epstein, the victims, the.

cover-ups, could Gain Maxwell actually. have her sentence commuted? Could she be. released from prison? And who is this. supposed whistleblower? These are the. questions. These are the questions that. we have. And we're going to try to dig. into a lot of this on this episode of. Sidebar. And we got an expert, by the. way, who's going to join us in a moment. to help unpack this. But first, before. we even get to Galain Maxwell herself, there is new information that could. change everything, that could change the. backdrop of all of this. Earlier this.

morning, the House Oversight Committee. released a series of never-beforeseen. emails appearing to be from Jeffrey. Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's own. correspondence, messages that for the. first time directly reference President. Trump in connection with Epstein, and. more specifically his circle after his. 2008 plea deal. Now, this is straight. from the committee's own press release. that was sent out earlier today. In one. of those emails dated 2011, Epstein.

appears to tell Gain Maxwell, quote, I. want you to realize that dog that has. embarked is Trump, victim spent hours at. my house with him, he has never once. been mentioned. And Maxwell appears to. answer, I have been thinking about that. In another dated 2019, Epstein appears. to be writing to author Michael Wolf. saying, quote, victim Mara Lago. And. then there's a whole bunch of stuff. that's redacted. And it goes on to say, quote, "Trump said he asked me to. resign, never a member ever. Of course.

he knew about the girls as he asked. Galain to stop." And a third, this one. appears to be from 2015, appears to show. Epstein and Wolf discussing whether they. could quote craft an answer for Trump. ahead of a CNN interview. Wol responds, "If he says he hasn't been on the plane. or to the House, that gives you a. valuable PR and political currency. Of. course, it is possible that when asked, he'll say Jeffrey is a great guy and has. gotten a raw deal and is a victim of.

political correctness, which is to be. outlawed in a Trump regime. Now, of. course, those emails don't necessarily. involve Golain Maxwell directly. I mean, there seems to be some response, but. they set the stage for the world that. she's operating in right now. The. powerful figures that may be connected. to Epstein that surround her story. Not. necessarily saying they're part of. anything that she was convicted of, but. this is interesting. And with that in. mind, I want to refocus on Maxwell. herself and what is happening behind. bars. Because Maxwell, this British. socialite, this longtime companion, this.

co-conspirator of Jeffrey Epste, was. convicted back in 2021 on multiple. federal charges, including sex. trafficking minors for Epstein's. purported operation. And she was. sentenced to 20 years in prison. A jury. found that over the course of years, she. helped Epstein recruit and groom teenage. girls, some as young as 14, for sexual. abuse. Her conviction was upheld. It was. upheld all the way through appeal. In. fact, just last month, the Supreme Court. refused to even hear her case. Now, you.

would think that that would be the end. of her story, right? Maxwell behind. bars, serving her time. Except it isn't. It doesn't appear that that is what is. going on because what is now coming out. from a supposed whistleblower is. throwing yet another twist into this. case. Now, you will remember that back. in July, the Justice Department's Deputy. Attorney General, Todd Blanch, sat down. with Maxwell for what turned out to be a. two-day interview. And Blanch, by the. way, also happens to be Donald Trump's.

former personal defense attorney. In. that interview, Maxwell appeared to. praise Donald Trump at certain points. She said he quote was always very. cordial and quote very kind to me and. that she admired his quote extraordinary. achievement in becoming president. And. most notably, she denied ever seeing. Trump act inappropriately in any setting. connected to Jeffrey Epstein. She also. claimed that she'd never seen Epstein or. any man for that matter do anything. inappropriate with women of any age. Statements that the committee says are.

not true. One week later after that. interview or just about, Maxwell was. quietly transferred out of a Florida low. security prison into what's been. described as a quote plum minimum. security federal prison camp in Brian, Texas. That transfer has raised a lot of. eyebrows. Why? Because under the Bureau. of Prisons policy, sex offenders aren't. supposed to be housed in these minimum. security camps, right? Maxwell has been. And that came very, very fast. Why? Back.

in August, the House Judiciary Committee. led by Representative Jamie Raskin wrote. to the Department of Justice and the. Bureau of Prisons demanding answers. about why and how that move was. approved. You fast forward to now, those. questions have exploded into something. much bigger. This week, the committee. says that it received whistleblower. evidence and internal documents about. Maxwell's treatment inside of that Texas. prison and about something even more. shocking, her apparent push for a.

commutation of her 20year sentence from. President Donald Trump himself. In other. words, could she be released from. federal prison? Now, among the materials. that the committee says it has are. emails purportedly written by Maxwell, including one to her attorney with the. subject line commutation application. In. that email that was reported on by. Politico, she admits she's quote. struggling to keep it all together. because quote there are so many. attachments. Now, we ourselves haven't. seen those emails, though these are.

documents that the House Judiciary. Committee says it physically has. But. all of that, the prison treatment, the. transfer, this new commutation. application, it appears to be part of. what Rascin is calling essentially a. quidd proquo arrangement between Maxwell. and the Trump administration. Let's talk. about it. So, to help me break all this. down, and there is a lot to break down, I want to welcome back on special. guests. We got former federal. prosecutor, criminal defense attorney. Gene Rossi, who I always love seeing.

Gan, thank you so much for coming on. Um, I got to start with what dropped. this morning from the House Oversight. Committee. It was literally right right. before we started this. So, this is the. first time that I think Congress has. ever released Epstein's own apparent. correspondence that directly or. seemingly directly mentions President. Donald Trump. So, you have one message. from 2011 that has Epstein seemingly. writing to Galileain Maxwell that quote, "The dog that hasn't barked is Trump.". saying a victim spent hours at his house.

with him. You have another from 2019. that says flat out, quote, "Trump knew. about the girls as he asked Elaine to. stop." So, Gan, okay, when we're talking. about is Galain Maxwell getting special. treatment, is she asking for her. sentence to be commuted? When you read. that, what do you take away from it? Because you also have to wonder, are. Epstein and Maxwell reliable narrators? Well, what those emails that you're. talking about show to me is this. When.

Galin Maxwell met with the Deputy. Attorney General of the United States, Todd Blanch, the second in command, those emails suggest to me that she lied. to him and that there was information. that called into question the character. of Donald Trump in 2011 or 2009. Uh, and. that would be that would trouble me. greatly if those emails are as you say. they are because that goes to her.

credibility and it makes Todd Blanch. look like a fool. Does it carry do those. emails carry any legal weight either for. the president? Could they could they um. open up investigative threads, new. subpoenas? Because it is new. It is new. information. >> Well, because of the statute of. limitations, uh you may have a problem. there. But absolutely those emails could. help investigative leads. They could. help approaching her to find out if what.

the real story is. If she meets with FBI. agents or prosecutors in the future and. she's confronted with those emails, she. [snorts] has a fork in the road. She can. continue to lie allegedly or she can. tell the truth. And I think re the. reason she was transferred to this cushy. prison in Texas is stating the obvious. She gave them what they wanted. She gave. the deputy attorney general Blanch what.

he wanted, what Trump wanted. And that. is he was a choir boy. He was an Eagle. Scout and he never acted more than. honorably. Those emails. hurt the narrative that they're trying. to portray that Mr. Trump is above the. fray and he didn't know about it. He. wasn't involved. He wouldn't have. approved it. Those emails, as you read. them to me, I haven't seen him. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Pretty darn devastating. >> Well, well, here's the other thing I I. was wondering. When Epstein allegedly.

writes about Trump having quote spent. hours with an apparent victim, what. would investigators. do to corroborate that, to maybe. disprove that? Are we talking phone. logs, flight manifests, witness. interviews? How do we know this isn't. just a statement that he made maybe to. insulate himself in a way? >> Well, for the for the FBI investigators. and also congressional investigators, you would try to find a victim that. they're talking about. And the first. person I would go to to find that name.

is Glenn Maxwell because a name is. probably something she's remembered or. she's made a log of or has some. recollection. That's point number one. Point number two, you can't go to the. president of the United States that you. would have a a motion to quash. You'd. have all kinds of separation of powers. issue. But you can go to the people who. may know the victim, who may have. received information from the victim at. the time it was occurring to corroborate.

her testimony. But the difficulty here, Jesse, is it's so many years back. We're. talking 2011. uh it may be difficult to. to uh get good recollection about what. happened but the victim if you find that. victim or can identify that victim and. she is willing to talk that would be. very explosive for any leads. >> and then there's this third email where. Jeffrey Epstein and Michael Wolf are.

allegedly strategizing about how to. quote [snorts] craft an answer for. Donald Trump ahead of a CNN interview. where Wolf even appears to say if Trump. lies about visiting Epstein's homes or. planes, Epstein gains quote valuable PR. and political currency. What is that correspondence suggest. to you? >> It s these Donald Trump and Jeffrey. Epstein beginning in the 90s.

were two rising billionaires. and rising billionaires like to stay. together. You like to hang together. You. got videos of them at a party yucking it. up, telling jokes. They are good friends. from the '9s. And you fast forward to. 2011. They didn't just stop the relationship. as Mr. Trump suggested, they continued. it. And whether there's an attraction to. each other's money or they think that. each other can help the other get more.

power, they had a symbiotic. relationship. They were both. billionaires. That alone suggests to me. that Donald Trump is more involved. suggests has to be proven was more. involved in the affairs of Jeep Epstein. than President Trump wants to let on. And those emails support that argument. Before we get into Maxwell, because I. want to focus on her, um, bottom line, what do you think the implications of.

these emails are for the DOJ? Does this. push them to release the broader Epstein. files? Um, do you expect this maybe to. just stay in the political in the lane, not the investigative lane, not a. prosecutorial lane? Um, what is going to. be the effect of this? >> All right. And I used to work on the. fourth floor main justice at 9inth and. Pennsylvania Avenue in DC. And I can. tell you this, these emails, [snorts]. now that they're out, are causing a lot. of agit amongst the attorney general and.

especially Todd Blanch, the deputy. attorney general. Those emails make his. meeting with her. seem very questionable. In fact, they. kind of shed light on his judgment and. the judgment of the attorney general. >> when he met with them. The second thing. is, is DOJ going to do anything follow. up on these leads? Of course not. They're too busy on retribution against. Comey, against Leticia James, Adam.

Schiff, and god knows how many other. political opponents. So, they're not. going to do anything with this. The only. way we're going to get some action is if. the chambers of the Congress change. hands, either the House and or the. Senate. And at that point, beginning in. January of 2027, you're going to see congressional. hearings where these witnesses, these. emails, and all the things in that file.

are probably going to be disclosed. And. the person leading that charge will be. former American University law professor. Jamie Rascin. That's where I went to law. school. He's a he's a pit bull and he's. going to hold hearings and you're going. to get to the bottom of this because. there's s I can say this. The reason the. DOJ, the attorney general, the deputy. attorney general, and all those folks at. Maine Justice, and the reason the White. House, including President Trump are.

very leery of releasing the entire file. is simple. Donald Trump's names in the. file, and it's probably not in a very. flattering light, and these emails. support that argument. >> I want to go back to uh Gain Maxwell. Okay, first of all, let's talk about. requests to commute a sentence. Can you. walk us through what the process is for. a commutation application request? Um, you know, I guess a defendant or their.

legal counsel submits it, who reviews. it, what role does the president play? And by the way, how is that different. than a pardon? >> That's a great question. Let me tell you. what it was like before President Trump. took office. There used to be a pardon ter in his. second term. There used to be in a. Department of Justice a pardon attorney. Okay, I think her name was Liz Ber. She. got fired basically. And the pardon. attorney would accept applications.

either online or through the mail of. either a pardon. or a commutation. And that pardon attorney would review. the application and make recommendations. to not only the attorney general, the. deputy attorney general, but then to the. White House. And it used to used to go. through a very formal process. You. didn't need to pay people to get it. You. didn't have to have the highest. contacts.

Today, um, that pardon attorney has been. eliminated. Now, let's talk about the. difference between a pardon and a. commutation. A pardon is this. I am. convicted and I'm sent to jail for 20. years. Or I have been charged and I'm awaiting. trial. Or I'm being investigated. and possibly investigated and there. could be criminal hurdles in the. horizon. A pardon says.

you are now erased of all those legal. burdens, whether you're a target, whether you're waiting trial, or you've. been convicted. So that your conviction. or potential conviction will go away. Hunter Biden got pardoned. Um, many. people got pardoned. So when you apply. for jobs, it's not on your record. You're you're absol you're absolved. The.

difference between a pardon and a. commutation is this. I'm sentenced to 20. years. I've served eight. I have 12 more. to go. A commutation says, "Mr. Rossi, you only have to serve. eight. You can pack up your bags and. leave the prison. Your sentence has been. commuted. Time served. The other 12 of. those 20 years, forget about it. That's. a commutation.

>> By the way, I I wanted to ask you this. You know, the bombshell that she was. communicating with her attorney about. this commutation request, isn't that. privileged? I mean, shouldn't that not. even be part of the conversation? Shouldn't that not even be considered. right now by the committee? Or am I. wrong about that? Well, if the email was. was absconded or stolen, if you will, and it was between her attorney and and. Glenn Maxwell, then then she she has a. cause of action against the person who.

absconded with that, whether it's a. public official, a reporter, or somebody. else. However, it could have been an. email that was uh inadvertently given to. a third party, which takes it out of. privilege if it's released to a third. party. I don't know the circumstances of. how they got that email. >> Okay, that's fair. Let me ask you about. this. Talking about how the process. works. So, according to the committee, they're alleging that, and this is, you. know, based on whistleblower. information, that the warden at the.

Brian Federal Prison is directly helping. Maxwell copy, print, send documents. related to that that application. From. your perspective, if that's true, how. unusual is that? >> Oh my goodness. Where should I begin? When a person is in a federal prison or. a state prison, it is unheard of. It is unheard of, unprecedented,

historic for the warden to be assisting. an indiv any individual, let alone an. individual of Glenn Maxwell's Maxwell's. ilk. It is absolutely appalling. that the warden in that prison in Texas, which is the most cushy prison for women. you can possibly find, that the warden. is helping her with her application. is just appalling. It's disgraceful.

Now, connected to all that, you have. ranking member Jamie Rascin, who sent a. letter to President Trump on November. 9th. And in it, he lays out the. committee's concerns and demands. answers. In fact, here's a passage that. I want to read from it. Quote, "The. House Committee on the Judiciary has now. received whistleblower information, indicating this cover up goes even. further into DOJ and BOP than was known. before. Documents and information. received over the last several days by. this committee indicate that under Dr. Tanisha Hall, the warden of federal.

prison camp FPC Brian. The federal law. enforcement staff working at the camp. have been waiting on Miss Maxwell. handinfoot. This information also. indicates that Gla Maxwell is working on. filing a commutation application with. your administration, demonstrating. either that Miss Maxwell is herself. requesting you release her from her. 20-year prison sentence for her role as. a co-conspirator in Jeffrey Epstein's. International Child Sex Trafficking. Ring, or that this child's sex predator.

now holds such tremendous sway in the. second Trump administration that you and. your DOJ will follow her clemency. recommendations. Meanwhile, any inmate or staff who. questions or blows the whistle on the. institution's grotesque pampering of a. serial sexual abuser and human. trafficker at taxpayer expense is being. punished and retaliated against by. Warden Hall. Within FPC Brian, the. deference and cervil to Miss Maxwell. have reached such preposterous levels.

that one of the top officials at the. facility has complained that he is quote. sick of having to be Maxwell's bleep. In. light of these shocking revelations, I. write to demand that you make your. former personal attorney and now deputy. attorney general, Todd Blanch, available. for a public hearing immediately with. our committee to answer for this corrupt. misuse of law enforcement resources and. potential exchange of favors for false. testimony exonerating you and other. Epstein accompllices. What information. is Miss Maxwell agreeing to suppress in.

order to receive such outlandishly. favorable treatment as a federal. prisoner and convicted sex offender? Now. look, the question is, could all of this. have started with that interview that I. mentioned before? Because, as I. mentioned earlier, in July, Deputy. Attorney General Todd Blanch, who again. was formerly Donald Trump's personal. attorney, sat down with Glain Maxwell. for what would become a two-day. interview inside the Florida facility. where she was being held during the. time. And during that conversation, she.

repeated a series of claims that. prosecutors had already, by the way, disproved at trial and in some cases. that contradicted her own sworn. testimony. Right. Let's play part of. that exchange. >> What's what did you observe as far as. President Trump and his relationship. with you or Mr. Epstein? >> Well, I just want to say for my. relationship with President Trump. Relationship is a big word, but I just. want to say that I met him well. I. believe I may have because of my father. in the 90s. Yep. So um my father liked.

him very much and he was love really. liked his wife as well because they were. both Czechoslovakian and as far as I'm. concerned um President Trump was always. very cordial and very kind to me and I. just want to say that I find I admire. his extraordinary achievement in. becoming the president now and I like. him and I've always liked him. So that. is the sum and substance of my entire.

relationship with him. >> What about Mr. Epstein's relationship. with him? >> I don't know how they met and I don't. know how they became friends. I. certainly saw them together and I. remember the few times I observed them. together that they were friendly. I mean. >> was that in social settings or was that. in private settings? >> I believe I only ever saw them in social. settings. I don't recall any private. settings. >> Did Did you ever observe um President. Trump receive massage? >> Never. I think they were friendly like. people are in social settings. I don't I.

don't think they were close friends or I. certainly never witnessed the president. in any of I don't recall ever seeing him. in his house for instance. I actually. never saw the president in any type of. massage setting. I never witnessed the. president in any inappropriate setting. in any way. The president was never. inappropriate with anybody. In the times that I was with him, he was. a gentleman in all respects. >> Jean, okay, going back to this interview.

by Todd Blanch, how much you mentioned. it before, how much is that interview. affecting this analysis of a commutation. request and what are the circumstances. about whether or not the president would. grant or be receptive to commuting her. sentence? because she is a convicted sex. trafficker. And you wonder how you might. be able to justify that from a political. and legal point of view. We know that. the president doesn't necessarily have. to provide his reasons for why he would, you know, uh uh uh pardon someone or.

commute a sentence. But um talk to me. about that interview that was conducted. by Todd Blanch of Galain Maxwell uh and. how much that's affecting the. conversation because I will also tell. you it seems that the House committee is. saying that the answers in that. interview are essentially false. testimony. Yet she faced, you know, no. follow-up charges, no sanctions. Um we. talked about the effect of these emails. Talk to me about the effect of this uh. this interview on the commutation.

>> Well, let me just go to the beginning. When Todd Branch, the deputy attorney. general, met with Glen Maxwell, a. convicted sex trafficker, and she had, I. think, perjury charges that were. dismissed because it was it was severed. But for him to meet with her while she's. serving a 20ear sentence or more and. just talk to her, that was an. embarrassment. He lowered he lowered the. integrity of that office by even meeting.

with her over one or two days. Two, that. he took without any challenge. her statements that uh President Trump. was was a perfect gentleman, didn't do. anything wrong, and I don't think he. used any exhibits where there wasn't any. vigorous cross-examination. He just took her word and moved on. And. the third punchline I want to make is. this. It is clear to me. It is clear to.

me that she gave Todd Blanch and the. White House indirectly exactly what they. wanted. And within a New York minute. after that very favorable interview in. which she allegedly lied to Todd Blanch. according to these emails, she was moved to another prison in the. one she's in now where she's treated. basically like a queen and treated like.

no other prisoner, even one who's not. convicted of sex trafficking. No other. prisoner on the planet. that's treated. like Glenn Maxwell is right now. And all. you can say is this, quidd proquo. She scratched their back, then they. scratched her back and basically. silenced her. But the problem is this. If the Congress changes hands, she will.

be called as a witness before Congress. And the first thing I would tell her if. I were her attorney is you're now before. Congress. You're subject to the pains. and penalty of perjury. Don't make. matters worse. But if she tells the truth before the. House committee or the Senate, what does. that say about her interview with Tai. Blanch and an FBI agent? Because that. was subject to a false statement charge.

if she lied. She's in a box. But here's. why she's in a box. She's a convicted. serial predator and those people lie, lie, lie. I wanted to ask you about this as well. Uh, in that November 9th letter, uh, Raskin called on Deputy Attorney General. Blanch to appear before Congress by. November 17th, essentially for a hearing. to explain a lot of this, to explain the. interview, what, um, what this the.

timeline of events was, you know, about. the interview, the transfer. Um, do you. think he's going to appear? What what is. the committee hoping to get from that? Are the way are there ways the uh, administration can fight it? Talk to me. about that. uh they will fight it tooth and nail. He. will not appear. They will invoke every. privileged under the sun. Uh they'll. they'll invoke the uh unitary power of. the president, executive privilege,

deliberative process privilege, attorney. client privilege. Uh he will not. testify. His body will not show up. I. would be shocked if he ever takes the. oath before any committee. Now, I just. want to go to something else because. this is about supposed accommodations. that Maxwell has been receiving in jail. And you go back to August, the House. Judiciary Committee in Rasin sent a. blistering letter to Attorney General. Pam Bondi and the Bureau of Prisons. Director William Marshall. And they.

wanted to know one thing. Why and how. Gain Maxwell was quietly moved from a. medium security federal prison in. Florida to what the committee called a. far preferable and relatively luxurious. minimum security prison camp in Brian, Texas. It's a facility normally off. limits to sex offenders. And part of. that letter reads, quote, "Two weeks. ago, you inexplicitly transferred Glain. Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's. co-conspirator, from a federal. correctional institution to a far.

preferable and relatively luxurious. minimum security prison camp in Texas, just three years into her 20-year. sentence for sexually exploiting and. abusing minor girls as young as 14. The. transfer follows Deputy Attorney General. Todd Blanch's private interviews of Miss. Maxwell arranged after a firestorm of. media attention about the Department of. Justice's refusal to release the full. Epstein files as originally demanded by. President Donald Trump. These actions.

raise substantial concerns that the. administration may now be attempting to. tamper with a crucial witness, conceal. President Trump's relationship with. convicted sex offenders, and coax Miss. Maxwell into providing false or. misleading testimony in order to protect. the president. And further down, it says. less than a week after Mr. Blanch's. meeting with Miss Maxwell, BOP. transferred her from a federal. correctional institution in Tallahassee, Florida to an all-Woman minimum security. prison camp in Brian, Texas, which is.

listed as one of the quote best jails in. America to serve time. And by the way, according to what the committee says is. a whistleblower, Maxwell is getting. treatment unlike anyone else in her. facility. Her meals are customized and. handd delivered by staff. Her visitors. are supposedly hosted in private catered. areas with snacks and refreshments. Her. communications are reportedly rooted. straight through the warden herself, who. allegedly edits and scans her. correspondence, even when the phone. lines went down for everybody else.

Maxwell allegedly directed staff on who. to call so she could still get through. She's also said to have access to a. service puppy which is normally off. limits and is escorted after hours to. exercise and staff only areas. So you. put all that and we've talked about it. but now you have a separate development. Okay. So the Supreme Court recently. declined to hear Gain Maxwell's appeal. She had been challenging a 2007. nonprosecution agreement involving. Jeffrey Epstein, the one that she argued.

should have protected her from some of. the charges in New York. That agreement. reportedly shielded Epstein and quote. potential co-conspirators in Florida. But Maxwell's argument was is that. agreement applies to and binds all US. attorneys in every state in the country. broadly including the Southern District. of New York. And she the argument was. should be protected from prosecution. The second circuit disagreed and the. Supreme Court didn't even hear the case. They refused to take up the case. seemingly without explanation. the fact.

that the Gene, the fact that the Supreme. Court rejected her appeal, okay, how. does that affect everything that's going. on right now? >> Well, if she hadn't u if she hadn't. gotten a ruling from the Supreme Court, uh then her commutation application. uh would not be uh uh fruitful because. uh when you're applying for a pardon. commutation and you're still on appeal, you could win your appeal. So you don't. even have to have a commutation or a.

pardon. You get a new trial. So now that. it's been resolved and she can't go any. further beyond the Supreme Court, uh. that helps her on a pardon or. commutation application. And her. attorney or attorneys are very smart. They're not seeking a pardon. That would. be a bridge too far for President Trump. to give her a complete pardon. but a. commutation. I think uh there's a 5050. chance she's gonna get it. >> And and if she gets it, she's free to.

live her life out the way that she. wants. >> If she gets a commutation, she's told. pack up your bags and they escort her. out of the prison and she get it can get. in a car, bus, plane or train and she's. a free person. >> Unbelievable. Gene Rossi, thank you so. much. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. And that's all we have for. you right now here on Sidebar. Everybody, thank you so much for joining. us. And as always, please subscribe on. YouTube, Apple [music] Podcast, Spotify,

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