Epstein's Shocking Plan for a Secret Child: 'Baby Mama' Emails

Did Jeffrey Epstein have a secret child? [music] There is just so much in this. Epstein files that raises all kinds of. weird questions. From him wanting a baby. mama to him having this fascination with. eugenics to very revealing accounts of. alleged victims. We are going to discuss. what the files reveal about if the. notorious accused sex trafficker [music]. had any babies. Welcome to Sidebar. presented by Law & Crime. I'm Jesse. [music] Weber. All right, before we go on, if you owe.

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talked about it a little bit before, but. we wanted to dedicate a full episode to. it. And that is the question is, did. Epstein try to father children and did. he? That's what I want to explore right. now. The concept of Jeffrey Epstein's. secret children and even this idea of a. superior gene pool kind of has a little. bit of basis when you look at the files. And I'm going to point out some of the. unusual revelations in these files that.

can maybe support it. I mean, to start. out, this idea really caught fire when. you saw these emails from Fergie, Sarah. Ferguson, Prince Andrew's ex-wife, formerly the Duchess of York. This was. to Jeffrey Epstein, like this one. Don't. know if you're still on this BBM, but. heard from the Duke that you have had a. baby boy. Even though you never kept in. touch, I still am here with love, friendship, and congratulations on your. baby boy. Sarah XX. How about this one? You have disappeared. I did not even.

know you were having a baby. It was so. crystal clear to me that you were only. friends with me to get to Andrew, and. that really hurt me deeply, more than. you will know. Now, there was pushback. against this concept, and first of all, I'll tell you there's no concrete. evidence, although, you know, I'm a. lawyer, right? We say there's no direct. evidence, is there circumstantial. evidence? There's no concrete evidence. that Jeffrey Epstein actually fathered a. child, and that there is some teenage. boy in the world today, or I don't know,

teenage girl. Epstein himself never. confirmed that he had children, although. maybe not for lack of trying, and we're. going to talk about that. But I'll also. tell you, his brother, Mark Epstein, spoke out about this, told the Daily. Beast, quote, he doesn't have any kids. Ferguson's email wasn't directly at. Jeffrey, it was directed at somebody. else. It doesn't make any sense that. Fergie was the only person on the planet. that saw Jeffrey had a fictitious kid. But actually though, the reason I am. bringing this up, the reason I actually. wanted to do a sidebar on this, is.

because there is a back and forth. exchange that came up that I want to get. into. So, back in 2011, this is between. Jeffrey Epstein and Peggy Siegal. We've. talked about it before, she is a very. high-powered publicist, had tons of. communications with Jeffrey Epstein, apparently had a lot of celebrity. clients, too. And according to Fox News, Epstein even apparently gave her. $100,000 for her birthday in 2017. She. told the New York magazine, quote, "I. had no problem taking his money. He had.

lots of it." But she called him a con. man, said that he was morally. compromised, but she did admit she. wasn't oblivious. She told the New York. mag, "I was in denial, but if I tell you. that he told me he changed his ways, then that's telling you I knew that he. was a pervert. I mean, obviously I had a. sense that he had done something wrong. if he had gone to jail. I wasn't. oblivious that he was morally. compromised and a con man, but I don't. know how to say this to you. The idea of. child pornography is so heinous that you. can't even think about it. You can't. even discuss it. I know it sounds crazy,

but it's nothing I wanted to deal with.". I say all this, I give you this. backstory to focus in on this 2011. exchange, okay? And some of it is not. relevant, but I want to look at the. relevant part. So, this is where Peggy. Siegel seems to write to Epstein. "I am. in Southampton at Tory Burch's and. available all day. XO XO Peggy." Tory. Burch, though, famous designer. Epstein. replies, "You schmooze and find me a. baby mama." Now, you could say, "Oh, he's just being playful. He's joking. He's not being serious, right?" But I.

want you to look at what Siegel writes. back and what he responds, cuz it takes. a different element. She seemingly. writes back, "A baby mama? If I wasn't. 102, I would take that job in a. nanosecond. Can't I be the anti-main. mana? I would be excellent at that job. Here is the problem. You have to find. someone who'll take it as a business. deal and not get crazy emotional. A top. girl will want a real relationship with. the father. A girl who wants a certain. life that she can't get any other way as. a candidate, but must be stable like a. rock. Looking Peg." Epstein writes back,

"I need great genes. Smart, pretty, funny. If you were 50 years younger, whoops, 40." So, kind of like interested. in her finding someone for him, right? Like he's not just dismissing it. And. she seemingly responds, "I'm thinking. this is a position for a European who. understands the mistress, in this case. baby mama mentality. You need someone. young without much of a career, maybe a. professional student, someone who is. kept and can just keep going to school, getting all sorts of degrees. Also, who.

doesn't have much of a family herself. The last thing you want is in-laws. Ha, a want-to-be socialite is not the way to. go. Looking and looking, xoxo, Peg.". Epstein writes back, "No Soros types.". So, possibly in reference to George. Soros, right, the billionaire investor. Again, seems to be taking it seriously. This seems to be like a legitimate. conversation about finding him somebody, right? Siegel writes back, "She is. Brazilian and an actress, totally. unstable. Listen to me, you need a.

European intellectual and not an author. who will write about you. No showbiz. trash. Is there an agency for this tall. order?" Epstein writes back, "No, but. there is a commission paid from. Wagentail." By the way, this is not the. only reference to baby mama and Epstein. in the Epstein files. So, how about this. email from the name is redacted to. Epstein, 2010. It says, "Congratulations, Jeffrey. Now be good. to yourself for a while. Chill. Time. will take care of the rest. You will.

forget this in time, and let's work on a. baby mama for you. Please let me have a. new email and phone. Jonathan." Found. this one, too, from a redacted to. Epstein in 2014. "If I was your baby. mama, she would be the same angelic. beauty." And there's just like weird. ones, too, like kind of hard to put this. one into context, but this is from. redacted to Epstein, 2014. "Your baby is. 19 today. Happy birthday to her. I know. it must be a special day for you." I. don't know what that means. Could be a. joke. Maybe it's not really his child.

Maybe it's something else. I don't know. But, I also have to say, there is an. allegation in the Epstein files that. Jeffrey Epstein himself admitted to. being a father. So, in the files is this. FBI 302 form that memorializes an. interview with an alleged Epstein. victim. Now, the date of the entry is. January 10th, 2020, but says it was. drafted August 7th, 2019. So, this is. just right before Epstein died in his. jail cell. And it reads, "In another. suite of his residence, there was a.

picture of a blonde woman on the beach.". Epstein told redacted that this was the. mother of his child. There was a torso. sculpture, like a mold. Epstein said. that this mold was of this woman. Epstein told redacted that this woman. was perfect. Epstein told redacted that. her husband will be very lucky. And you. know what? You actually see a picture of. what appears to be this torso sculpture. in the files. So, if that's right, if. we're saying this is the same thing, it. helps to corroborate that part of the.

story. Although, it is unclear if. authorities were able to corroborate the. other aspects of it. And by the way, even if Jeffrey Epstein said that, was. he telling the truth? Was he like tongue. in cheek? I don't know. But, weird. thing, nonetheless. By the way, talking. accounts, you have one Epstein victim. who said in a 2016 deposition, this was. in the litigation between Ghislaine. Maxwell and renowned Epstein accuser. Virginia Giuffre. So, in this lawsuit, this was the following. "Have you ever. been propositioned by anyone to have a. baby for someone?" The answer, "Yes.".

"And who propositioned you?" "Jeffrey. asked me." "Did he ask you more than. once?" "Yes." "And what did he say?". "Basically just said, 'I want you to be. the mother of my baby.'" "And do you. recall your response to that?" Um, "I. don't believe that I said flat-out no. I. didn't agree to it. I would just say, 'Oh, yeah? Really?'" Then there's this, too. So, in a lawsuit against Ghislaine. Maxwell, this is part of her deposition. I want you to listen to what was asked. and what the response was. So, the. question was, "Did Jeffrey Epstein or. you ever ask any female, regardless of.

age, to carry Jeffrey's baby for him?". And then there's an objection to the. form and foundation or anything else. along those lines. That's the question. continuing. Objection to the form and. foundation. Then there's an answer, I. think from Ghislaine Maxwell. Can you. repeat the question, please? Did you or. Jeffrey Epstein ever ask any female, regardless of age, to carry Jeffrey. Epstein's baby for him? Another. objection to the form and foundation. And I think this is Ghislaine Maxwell. saying, are you asking and then the. question, it's kind of like cross-talk,

to become pregnant? Did you or Jeffrey. Epstein ever ask any female to become. pregnant and carry Jeffrey Epstein's. baby for you or for Jeffrey? Objection. to form and foundation. The answer is, again, appears to be from Ghislaine. Maxwell. You need to be very specific. I. have no idea what you're talking about. That's completely rubbish. Did you or. Jeffrey Epstein ask any female to become. pregnant and carry his baby for either. him or you? There's an objection to the form and. foundation. Then they go ahead. I can't. testify to anything Jeffrey did or.

didn't do when I am not present, but I. have never asked anybody to carry a baby. for me. Or anything along those lines? Is the question. Then there's objection. to the form and foundation. By the way, I should mention this too. So The Daily. Beast did an article on this. And there. is a picture of Jeffrey Epstein, looks. older, so I'm wondering if this is in. 2019, 2018, with a woman, her face has a. black box over it, so it's redacted, holding a baby. Yeah, weird. I don't. know who this is. I don't know the. context. Normally I wouldn't call it.

out, but in light of what we're talking. about, how could I not? And you could. say that with all this reporting of what. Epstein was seemingly interested in, I. got to call out this disturbing New York. Times article from back in 2019. It was. called Jeffrey Epstein hoped to seed. human race with his DNA, which alleged. that Epstein told people that he wanted. to impregnate women and have them give. birth to his babies at Zorro Ranch. That. that was going to be the base by which.

to carry out this system. And actually. that article was included in the Epstein. files release. It was part of the SDNY. news clips. So, they apparently gathered. maybe daily news clips or news articles. or things that were part of their. briefing. I remember they were the. prosecutors going after Jeffrey Epstein. And it was discussed in this article how. Epstein had this quote unusual dream. that he apparently turned to scientists. and businessmen telling them that he. wanted women to have his babies and the. ranch would be the place. Although the. article makes clear there is no evidence.

that he was actually able to do this or. that he did do this. And that Epstein, though, was fascinated with. transhumanism, so using science to. improve the human race through. technology like genetic engineering and. AI. And by the way, some believe this is. like eugenics, like controlled breeding. And the piece explains that Epstein did. seem to be interested in eugenics. How. you had two award-winning scientists and. an advisor to large companies and. wealthy individuals come forward and. say, "You know what? Yeah, Epstein had.

these New Mexico baby plans." You had. one witness come out who said that, "Yeah, I was told about this by Epstein. himself at a gathering at his Manhattan. townhouse." You have one of the. scientists who said, "Mr. Epstein said. this at a 2001 dinner." You have another. saying, "Epstein talked about it, too, at a 2006 conference in St. Thomas." You. know, in the law, we always talk about. corroborating witnesses who don't have. any connection to each other saying the. same thing. I mean, it's weird. They're. all saying he said stuff like this. Now, is it true? Did he say it? Was it a. joke? I don't know. Something that he.

wouldn't take it seriously? That seems. to be a common theme. We're talking. about this, but there seems to be this. effort, right? And then you look at the. emails. I even found this email that was. sent to Epstein in 2010 from a redacted, and it says, "You've been on my mind a. lot today. Just gave a talk in. Philadelphia. Hung out with Barnaby and. we had a mutual admiration moment about. you. We also talked about genius {dot}. {dot} {dot} and eugenics {dot} {dot}. {dot}." Got this email from a Vincenzo.

Iozzo in 2015. I believe he's a. cybersecurity professional, founder of. /ID. He was reportedly removed from the. boards of cybersecurity conferences in. the wake of his communications with. Epstein, by the way. But, the email. says, "Hello. How have you been? I'm in. Dubai. Next week, it's the beginning of. the Ramadan. Really curious to see what. it's like here. Anyhow, I'm going to be. in NYC, US from June 28th to July 4th. Are you around by any chance? I wanted. to drop by to say hi and also tell you. what I'm working on. In completely. unrelated news, I bumped into this a.

while ago. I think you'll like it." And. it's this article, quadrant.org.au/magazine/2015/eugenics. Ready. Why on earth would he seemingly. send Jeffrey Epstein that article? And Epstein writes back, by the way, "Check close to the time. It will be fun. if I am there." I got to talk about the. diary entries. Okay, I can't have a. conversation about children, secret. babies, anything like this without the.

diary entries. So, you see these in the. Epstein files. And you have this one. from who appears to be an unnamed. female. The handwriting is difficult to. kind of decipher, but she writes about. feeling like a human incubator, says. that Epstein talked about creating a. quote superior gene pool. In the files, there seem to be these diary entries. from what seemed to be a young girl or. young female. The passages describe. abuse, trauma, pain. And it centers. around this person being pregnant and.

giving birth. Detailed, disturbing, alleged accounts of childbirth with. Ghislaine Maxwell seemingly right there. Like this. Close your eyes. Close your. eyes. Close your eyes. Don't speak. She. doesn't talk. I can't stop shaking, and. it's been a week. A decision was made, but I can't tell Jeffrey. These things. happen. Why didn't I close my eyes fast. enough? The doctor was different again, I think from Israel. He had kind eyes. but didn't speak directly to me. This. was different. A shot in those rod-like.

things had a hook and had so much pain. Ghislaine said to push all the pain. away. I don't understand. Blood and. water all over the bed and she was. right. Like a feeling when your tummy. hurts and you have to push. She said to. close my eyes and put her hands over my. eyes but I didn't close them because of. these tiny cries. I am so lost. I saw. between her fingers this tiny head and. body in the doctor's hands. It reached. its tiny arm up and had a tiny foot. I.

closed my eyes and no more cries. And by. the way, chillingly there's even a. picture of what appears to be a sonogram. on a page with the words, "She is gone. and she won't be coming back." Next to. what appears to be a poem entitled, "Child." You have passages such as, "Your clear eyes the one absolutely. beautiful thing. I want to fill it with. color and ducks." And then there's a. couple more passages that I want to talk. about from diaries like, "My heart. belonged to her. She was so very. beautiful. She was perfect. I can't.

bring myself to write what happened. I. am beyond broken. I only get 10 to 15. minutes to hold and feed her before they. took her. She is mine. I want her back.". Distraught. "Tomorrow's the halfway. ultrasound for Jeffrey. This one stuck. after they took the first baby who. survived in the early miscarriage, I. think it was called. I no longer feel. like a person but a vessel. Will they. take this one, too? Who has the first. one? Where did Ghislaine go? She's never. around. I can't let myself get attached. I'm not old or mature enough or even in. the place to have a baby that I would be. responsible for. I'm not even able to.

focus on anything other than hiding this. again. I had to go to eating disorder. treatment prior to being in this. situation again and missed the entire. fall semester of school. I am so very. exhausted. My body feels so tired. Will. I ever be free?" And then this one, "I. am such a monster. I didn't console her. I can't unhear her screams. They haunt. me. I couldn't even bring myself to look. at her. I am a monster. I deserve to be. haunted by her screams. I am so sorry. I. am so broken. So sorry, Jeffrey. These things happen.

when your body had never been given time. to properly heal. So it came out in the. toilet. I didn't know what to do, so I. just flushed the tiny little fetus. You. have made me numb and I hate you for. this. I hope I never have to see you. again. I am not your personal incubator. Where is the baby? Where is Ghislaine? Now, to be clear, we don't know for sure. who this person is. We don't know if. this claim is real. We don't know if. this sonogram is the baby that the. person mentioned, let alone a baby of. Jeffrey Epstein's. Also, we can't. confirm whether any charges or.

investigations were launched because of. this specific encounter accounts. But. what is interesting, at least to me, is. the specificity of detail, acknowledging. certain personal details about Epstein. Like for example, this. After so many. bonding moments with Jeffrey, Ghislaine, their baby inside me with me in the. middle, she wouldn't even look at me. We. said nothing to one another and I was so. confused. When we arrived at Palm Beach, I was taken to a house close to. Jeffrey's, I think called Ocean. Boulevard or Street, but it was close.

and I was alone except for a new driver, not Mr. Wan. By the way, that seems to. be in reference to Juan Alessi. This is. somebody who testified in Ghislaine. Maxwell's uh criminal trial, so it's. interesting you think about that detail. Okay, and I also want to call this out, too. Looks like there was a letter that. was sent at one point. It's in the files. and this is how it begins. I'm Esther. Cohen-Tizer Epstein and you're receiving. this because you are A, a convicted sex. offender required by law to monitor, control, and contain your sexual. deviance or B, an ordinary citizen who. can benefit from having your sexual.

deviance monitored, explored, and. amplified. And then it goes on to say. this. Still, I wanted more from Jeffrey. and he was often distant and dismissive. of me and my feminine charms. One night, as the sun set over Little St. James. Island, I stood in the room where. Jeffrey had just received a therapeutic. massage from one of my daughter's. friends. The room was covered in I'm. sorry to say this, but this is what it. says. The room was covered in a genius's. seed, which was going to waste. I had an. inspiration and asked the chef to bring. me an extra-large turkey baster, and in.

a beautiful fertility ritual, created my. youngest daughter redacted. At first, Jeffrey was furious, but I pointed out. that by staggering daughters every 8. years, he would always have a supply of. ripe girls at his disposal. He bought me. a house at redacted. He got my oldest. daughter into redacted by donating. 50,000 to their gender studies program. and paid for my youngest daughter to. attend redacted, and all she had to do. was send him a pint of Mormon blood. every week. Thank you, Jeffrey. You. helped so many people and gave me the. Italian marble tiles in my kitchen,

steam shower, and a ranch of my own to. continue the great work. Also, a quick. thank you, Ghislaine. By the way, I. haven't said anything to the feds yet. and won't as long as those USPS money. orders keep arriving from Brooklyn's. Metropolitan Detention Center. So, yeah, even though there has been evidence of. these large expenditures that Epstein. had made and donations to key people, I. don't know what to make of this. Nothing. to indicate this story has been verified. in any way. And by the way, the DOJ has. warned that there could be untrue.

allegations, sensationalist allegations. in the files. But, I will tell you this also. After. Jeffrey Epstein died, you know what was. interesting? It was reported by outlets. like the Daily Beast and Trust Council, more than 100 people came forward saying. they were Epstein's biological children. to seemingly get a portion of his. estate. And I will say it's interesting. when you think about that, because we. did sidebars on this as well. But, when. you look at his financial planning. documents, like his last will and. testament, his trust documents, nothing, as far as we could see, nothing.

in those forms would tell you that he. was leaving anything to a child or. children. He made arrangements for his. accountant, his lawyer, his brother, his. purported secret girlfriend, acquaintance Karyna Shuliak. I mean, she. was getting the most at one point, $100. million, his properties, Zorro Ranch, the islands, places in Paris, Palm. Beach, New York. Again, nothing to the. children. Or these secret children, as. far as I could see. So, at this point in. time, there is no concrete definitive. evidence that Jeffrey Epstein had a baby. or secret children, but it is. interesting to see all of these.

communications and this correspondence. and these details in the files and these. entries in the files, cuz it seemingly. gives you an idea of what he maybe was. looking for, maybe what he was. interested in. But, at the very least, it's just another aspect of a very weird. and disturbing story. That's all we have. for you right now here on Sidebar, everybody. Thank you so much for joining. us, and as always, please subscribe on. YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you should get your podcast. You can also check us out on NBC's. [music] Peacock as well. If you want to.

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